Hello. This is the chief admin of IkaDong.
Although it was more difficult than expected, 2010 has already come and gone and we are now in the new year. I wish everyone a happy and healthy year ahead.
And to all our registered members of this fan café that is for fans in their 20s who have been with us for the past seven years, I would like to say I am sorry to be coming before you today with this kind of public announcement.
I would have liked for all our registered members to have been together with us until the very end. ‘All five members are Dong Bang Shin Ki’ has been the founding cause that has maintained this café, but since it now seems that cannot be the case I am coming before you now with this public announcement.
In truth, this public announcement is no different from the one previously released by our admins but reflects the added weight of the opinions submitted by our members, which we predicted would be in accordance with ours. Therefore, one could say that this announcement won’t come as a surprise, that this public announcement simply follows naturally from our previous steps.
Then, I now present the collective position of the admins and the majority of the registered members of AkaDong.
Early last December.
Jung Yunho, Shim Changmin declared that the two of them would begin activities as ‘Dong Bang Shin Ki’. Through this action, AkaDong, which was founded and justified its existence as a fan café for all five members of Dong Bang Shin Ki fell into a crisis of identity and came on the verge of losing our identity altogether….because now the name Dong Bang Shin Ki in public only acknowledges Jung Yunho and Shim Changmin.
Of course, because by the looks of things the agency (SM) and the two members have unilaterally occupied and monopolised the name Dong Bang Shin Ki, it will be difficult for them to gain legitimacy or acceptance as ‘the genuine and meaningful Dong Bang Shin Ki’ in front of the other three members, the fans and the greater public through sheer persuasion.
The legitimacy of Dong Bang Shin Ki lies in the fact that Dong Bang Shin Ki is an idol group made up of Yunho, Jaejoong, Yoochun, Junsu, Changmin, and ultimately for the greater public, including the [3] members and fans, to ‘acknowledge’ them it must happen through natural and gradual processes it to be considered legitimacy.
Just because the two members, without consulting the other three members who have also rights to the name Dong Bang Shin Ki and against the wishes of the fans, declare unilaterally that they will use the group name doesn’t make the 2-member Dong Bang Shin Ki ‘legitimate’ automatically.
However, the current situation is that the two members are using the term ‘legitimate/authentic’ and declaring themselves ‘the true meaning of Dong Bang Shin Ki.’
This is tantamount to the two members and their agency unilaterally excluding the other three members [from the group].
There have been a number of idol groups that have disbanded in a similar fashion to Dong Bang Shin Ki, but this is the first I have seen a portion of the group unilaterally declare that they will continue to use the group name. [Such a case is rare] perhaps because [most idol group members] are aware of what it means to be considerate of their fellow members and fans.
The two members like the three members could have easily continued their activities without using the name Dong Bang Shin Ki.
In addition, they would have undoubtedly known that there still exists within the fandom of Dong Bang Shin Ki fans of the three members. So, it is only common courtesy that they at least first seek the consent of the fans who have supported them for the last seven years about the decision of make such a declaration.
However, the two members have not said a single word of apology to the fans but instead sought to aggressively establish a shaky legitimacy; this can only be interpreted as a lack of consideration or respect toward their fans. The only possible result of this is a large number of fans who are left disappointed and confused.
Moreover, if you are a fan who remembers the incident involving the agency’s decision to ‘rotate’ the Dong Bang Shin Ki members, the declaration made by the two members can only be all the more disappointing.
There will also be those who remember the negotiated document released by the agency and the five members. That document expressed the desperation of trying to keep the five-member group intact even in the face of the existence of 13-year unfair contracts.
The fans of the two members have chopped out the part mentioning the 13-year unfair contracts and are using it to distort the truth, which truly renders one flabbergasted.
The five members for sure, but also the members’ parents who requested the fans help in protecting the members, the fans who didn’t sleep in order to watch over the five members in the Yonhap Home (sorry, dunno how to translate this…literally means collective home), will remember the core idea of that document, which is as follows: ‘The group Dong Bang Shin Ki and its meaning is composed of Jung Yunho, Kim Jaejoong, Park Yoochun, Kim Junsu, Shim Changmin. And whatever value or influence created will be attributed to all five members. Because of that if even one among the five is excluded or a new member is added, the result cannot be Dong Bang Shin Ki.’
Also, there are those who remember that the negotiated statement above in that document was requested to be made legally binding by both the agency and the members, and Jung Yunho’s father et al. directly requested the admin of AkaDong to put up the content of that document on the Yonhap Home/collective homepage (?).
It is an understatement to say that the declaration that the two members will use the name ‘Dong Bang Shin Ki’ has left not only the three members but also the fans dispirited. If fans ever have to use the term ‘betrayed’ it would be for a situation like the current one.
Clearly, when [fans] remained silent at the unbelievable situation where the three members came out of the agency whilst the two remained, [the agency and the two members] have flung the word ‘betrayed’ all too freely upon concluding that the three left due to ‘cosmetics’.
All the current fan cafés carrying the name Dong Bang Shin Ki are supporting the position of the three members, criticising SM for their unfair contracts, and continue to do so. This is to say that the fandom is not accepting the position of the agency and the two members.
“Why? Because there are still a lot of registered members within the fandom who are fans of the three.” Those who say this have no right to talk of ‘truth’ or ‘justice’.
If you [SM] truly believed in your position, you would have demonstrated to the Dong Bang Shin Ki fandom openly in a justifiable manner backed by evidence that you never imposed unfair conditions upon the members.
However, the fans of the two members posted on the Dongnaebangnae domain a demand that the three members take full responsibility for the current situation, stating, ‘although the agency is at fault…’ as their premise. This is because even the fans of the two members cannot support the claim that the agency is trustworthy.
Even when the five members were active together [in one group], the majority of fans regarded SM with deep distrust, and the controversy surrounding the rotation only made it deeper still. Notably, at the time, the fans of Jung Yunho were especially well-organised in airing their distrust and dissatisfaction of the agency and led the way in opposing it; this must not be forgotten.
The fan community centered around the two members have posted all sorts of distorted information on the three members attacking their characters; this is no different from strengthening the side of the agency by diverting attention away from the central issue of unfair contracts and betraying their very selves.
In addition, the court has clearly decided that there are reasonable grounds for upholding the request of the three members [regarding contract suspension] so that while the lawsuit is ongoing the three members are free to pursue independent activities and their agency cannot hinder them. Also, the Fair Trade Commission has issued a warning to the agency regarding its unfair contracts, and the agency says it is in the midst of rectifying their errors in accordance with this warning.
In light of these facts, one can only conclude that the agency cannot support its claim in an honourable way that it never issued unfair contracts when faced with the strictly legal standards of truth.
Through a formal interview, the three members revealed a year and a half before they filed the lawsuit that they were considering leaving the agency. Moreover, they said it was not just because of the unfair contract but also because of insults against [the three members’] humanity, which was even more severe [than the unfair contract].
Also, even before the lawsuit became a hot controversy there were more and more fans aware of this. Through this, many fans have come to not understand the position of the two members who stayed in the agency and felt they were betrayed.
However, the fans of the two members have labelled the three members and their side as the traitors and have taken it upon themselves to convince others of this. The distorted account of the 625 meeting is their only evidence, as far as I know. I have heard the correct and comprehensive account is in the process of being formatted before being put up.
What is certain is that there are fans who say that the two members were betrayed and there are fans who say that the betrayers are the two members, since it was already well-known a year and a half before the lawsuit that the other members wanted out of the agency. (this part is slightly confusing…I’m not sure I’ve got it completely right)
In effect, a lot of complicated reasons converged into actions. This is to say that none of this was a conspiracy on the part of the three members to turn the tide of public opinion overnight.
Then, as everyone knows, the two members proceeded to attack the three members through official documents and statements. To this day, the representatives of the two members continue to attack the three members non-stop in writing. They are trying to severely ruin the image and reputation of the three members.
In light of all this, no one can take seriously the agency’s position that [the agency] is doing working to encourage the three members to return to the agency.
If you [the agency, aka SM] truly desired to reunite [with the three members], you wouldn’t have used the long one and half years to cripple them with your attacks.
And because SM has a history of losing in court against its signed artists when in such conflicts, the fandom is supporting the three members all the more in this context.
And, notwithstanding the evaluations of the press on the matter, the value of Dong Bang Shin Ki in terms of internal and external economic impact exceeds many billions of won, which leaves one in no doubt of the value and power of the name Dong Bang Shin Ki. At the time, Dong Bang Shin Ki’s fame in Japan was at its height.
So the idea that only the three members ignored this fact and for the sole reason of a cosmetics business desired to leave the agency and give up their group is so ridiculous that one wonders how much persuasion would have been needed. Even the three members revealed in an official interview how frustrated this idea made them.
Furthermore, the reason why the fandoms using the DBSK name—even whilst criticising the agency, even in light of the position of the two members who stayed with the agency, even in the light of the fact that the group is de facto broken up—have thus far not taken a path that compromises the independence of this fandom is because ultimately the fans clearly understand the value in the name Dong Bang Shin Ki….Because a fandom that supports each of the five members in their activities, understanding that it is these people that make up ‘Dong Bang Shin Ki’, will project more power.
At this point we were willing to cover up the internal divisions happening within the Dong Bang Shin Ki fandom with formalities in order to coexist despite the factions.
It was also because the fans recognised that each of the five members had the right to claim the ‘value’ in the name Dong Bang Shin Ki that the fans didn’t step forth to break up the fandom.
Although we can’t put the nail in the coffin with regards to the chances of a reunion, the group as it currently stands is in all practicality broken up, but the fans were not willing to break up this fandom because under the banner of the ‘Dong Bang Shin Ki fandom’ we wanted to benefit all the members equally and be considered their gain.
However, when the two members announced that they intend to use the name Dong Bang Shin Ki for themselves it became impossible for this fandom its current format to equally support all five. In other words, with that declaration this fandom lost all means to persevere under the current cover of formalities.
At one point the three members stated that while they still considered themselves Dong Bang Shin Ki members they would continue activities under the project group of JYJ because they are aware Dong Bang Shin Ki signifies five. I would like to ask the two members what they think of this conduct by the three members, if they can’t see that this is the way to show respect to the fandom.
Also, another thing that added to the disappointment is that the two members are promoting a title song that is attacking the three members. Although fans are seen as ‘mindless bufoons’, we can’t be expected to ignore the veiled attacks members of a group make to their fellow members and leap for joy; we are not such thoughtless people.
It is possible that the three members who are trying so hard right now to convince themselves that what they see the two members doing was forced upon them by the agency, it is possible that these three will be one day able to understand the actions of the two. Because they were at once friends and colleagues. And it’s possible they will all forgive and forget.
However, for the fans and the general public, the conduct of the two members will leave ‘such an impression’ (this is being used sarcastically) that it will billow into a big controversy.
It is too much to think of…that within the same fandom, fans of the two members will be singing a song attacking the three members. This is something that cannot be tolerated.
Until when the other Dong Bang Shin Ki fandoms will continue uphold the original cause even in light of these facts and until when they’re going to try to maintain the current situation, I do not know. But even if we all continue in this manner with the way things are, our AkaDong is revealing now that we simply cannot.
Last year December, when the two members announced that they would continue activities under the moniker Dong Bang Shin Ki, our café closed off the majority of our menus and posted a public notice calling on all its members to deliberate together our identity.
And in order to receive all the opinions and comments of our registered members, we moved to a new board and even thought of removing the name Dong Bang Shin Ki from our page.
Yet, upon hearing the song sung by the two members attacking the three members and feeling an overwhelming emotion, we came to the decision that we could neither support nor represent the two members who dismissed so easily all notion of respect for their fans whilst using the Dong Bang Shin Ki name.
Henceforth, this café will erase the names of the two members and continue as a café for the three members.
And because the three members have every right to the name Dong Bang Shin Ki, which the fans acknowledge in accordance with the court, we will highlight that by not taking the name Dong Bang Shin Ki down [from our page]. Therefore, our foundational concept will be either ‘JYJ from Dong Bang Shin Ki’ or ‘JYJ in Dong Bang Shin Ki’.
Though it is true that there will be no references to the two members within the café coming from the café administration, we will allow discussions about the two members that do not veer into profanity and personal attacks because we realise that the agency and the two members’ representatives will continuously attack the three members, so it will be impossible to avoid bringing them up entirely.
This means we are going to put our best efforts into supporting the three members. Depending on the circumstances, our methods will be public and aggressive.
Finally, I would like to ask SM Entertainment. Even if they are artists who have brought public criticism upon you, if you use other artists (who are colleagues) to attack the artists that brought you public shame, public opinion on those other colleague artists cannot be positive. Undoubtedly, as a professional entertainment agency that fosters human talent into starts you are well aware of this.
So what is this? Using members of a group who for a long time shared the same meal to attack and belittle their fellow members in such a inhumane manner. Why is it that we’ve come to expect such behaviour only from SM Ent.?
And using the two members like this to bring down the three members, is this really for the good of the two members? Is that the best you can do? Have you completely abandoned thinking about the image of the two members in your pursuit to protect your corporate assets/investments?
If you truly do not think of celebrities as products, and as an agency that fosters idol groups to capture the majority of the teen fan-eligibles, it would have been nice if you could at least pretend to take on the responsibility and position fitting of this society.
Credit: @JaeShin_kel (translation by my Korean friend who works in a government agency)
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Do you guys think that “FAITHFULLS” is a good name for JYJ fans cause…we always keep the faith???
And yoochun coined that line (aktf) too so that sounds pretty legitimate to me.. 🙂
I sympathize with the Akadong admins coz what would you do if you find yourself as a forerunner of a fanclub who doesnt support your idol anymore..I guess they have a point there somewhere..Well, besides the fact that the announcemnt/article is completely JYJ biased and some hm fans will take it as an attack to hm lol but Im good with it..im happy they are supporting jyj.
but that sounds too much like wonderfuls…. ):
actually, JYJ fans are divided–some are just JYJ fans and the rest are still DBSK/JYJ fans who call themselves cassies.
It’s a mess.
Agree with you ^^
i like “FAITHFULLS”
Hwaitiing jyj!! Screw you SM!!
this is the official announcement by AkaDong right?
whoah…can’t help myself for not sighing during the reading.
sme is a truly evil.
JYJ, you have to win this.
there’s many people behind you, and sme is stupid if they underestimated the power of their fans.
thanks for the info.
@kikyo: sounds good.. 🙂
Finally some people with a brain. Seriously how can some of these fans still support SM?
It’s not that most of those fans support SME. It’s that they still support the 5 members of DBSK.
My question is “How could Homin continue to tolerate SM’s behavior? and not mention anything about their brotherhood friends in any of their public appearance? “. Which puts a fan like myself in a very difficult situation. I would like to support Homin just as I support JYJ, but I have to make sure that SM would not be benefit from my support in anyway shape. However, my desire of continue to support Homin is diminishing with recent development. It is sad, but I respect Homin’s choice of their path in life. I wish them well.
BTW, Is there an official JYJ fan club/site for international JYJ fans?
I heard Shane Yoon give ORION (3 stars)name to JYJ fanclub..but still not official yet since he still want opinion from JYJ fans….
SM=Evil +Devil management…..Hate them!!!
i kind of like that. :p
THATS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING!!!!!
ORION FTW
Orion the Hunter. SME had better keep it’s head down. 😉
LUV.^ THIS.
Well said!
If JYJ ever have a fanclub name, I want them to be the ones who come up with the name. ❤
i love ORION to^^
I admire your courage in the stance that you’ve taken. I am truly haunted by SME’s maliciousness and power-mongering.
So because of SM, you guys won’t support HoMin? Is it fair to them? They just stayed in SM because they are satisfied with the contract, money distribution etc. What’s wrong with not sueing? It takes lots of money and takes years. So if they are happy with their contract then why can’t they stay? Are those bashers confident that they will sue a company they like just because their friend wants to? And the song isn’t written by HoMin as well. Just because HoMin fans bashed JYJ saying they are traitors and JYJ fans bash HoMin for being SM dogs and not leaving, we have to stop supporting 1 side? Disappointed with cassies
HM made Kcassies disappointed first!
How so?
Agree.
SM even already open new registration for new cassie (consist HoMin fans)….This truly slapped for those who support the 5….They actually force fans to choose side now…
Isnt SM=Homin too?
That’s what SM did, not what HoMin did. It’s not fair that fans direct their anger for SM to HoMin. Do they think that SM will agree if HoMin told them not to reopen cassiopeia? Cassiopeia’s membership will earn SM money! Even JYJ said that there’s no room for negotiation in a recent interview. They said SM decided their songs, concept everything. JYJ said SM ignored when they tried to talk to them. That’s why they sued them to make them take their appeal seriously. So what made fans think SM will listen to HoMin?
This is all about fans…..Support HM same like they support SM…..Dont want to make a war….But lets think rationally…That’s why i said SM=Homin…..
Unfortunately this is what happened now….
Fans who angry with SM wont choose Homin…
And the new announcement about the ‘New Cassie’ fuel the fire to the DBSK loyal fans…
So do you agree if i say HoMin just a puppet to SM since they can’t talked or say anything at all?
No matter if it’s HoMin or another 2 people, all SM artistes have not much say. That means all SM artistes are puppets? It’s their career, it’s not just refusing to sing that song, there are many factors to consider
So the reason fans blaming HoMin now is because they have no say?
But how do you support someone who willingly sings songs that bashes the brothers that they’ve lived with for 6+ years? I keep having to remind myself that I liked Yunho in the first place because I thought he was such a righteous person with outstanding character, but seeing this really makes me sad. I’m glad for him if he’s satisfied with his contract, but publicly bashing your own brethren like that should be beneath HoMin. I still love their voices deeply, but cannot say in good conscious that I still unwaveringly support their actions like I once did.
You think HoMin like to sing a song like that to bash them? What do you expect HoMin to do? They might have tried talking to SM but like what JYJ said in recent interview, “SM decided their songs and concept and they had to carry out” No room for discussion. I believe that’s why yoochun said he knows it’s SM decision and the 2 members are feeling uncomfortable about it.
So how do you know, homin may have tried objecting. If SM really ignored them then what can they do? Don’t release the album anymore? They’ve waited for 2 years! What will SM do to them after they’ve rejected? How is their career in SM going to be after rejecting it? As long as in HoMin’s heart, they treat it as a song abt breaking up and not about JYJ then isn’t it enough?
If they truly objected to it, they would have refused. Sorry, but the minute that JYJ and Han Geng sued the excuse of “their company made them do it” became unusable for stars with the same stature as those four.
@telia so u r saying that although homin is satisfied with everything but just not satisfied with their band name n song, they should sue? Jyj and hankyung sued because of their contract. If homin is unhappy with their contracts, they could sue too. Sue sm just because sm didn’t give them a say in the name or song is way too ridiculous unless you r damn rich
I abhor the personal bashing as well. I’m sure the reasons that HoMin stayed with SME are far more complex than that they were satisfied with their contract. I don’t think there was betrayal of the group on either side. They all knew what was going on.
However, that doesn’t mean we need to shelter HoMin from the consequences of their choice. They decided to stay with a company who does nasty things. Their careers will either thrive or wither because of that. It’s up to the fans to decide if they can stomach supporting SME while supporting HoMin. I can’t (and haven’t for the past year). But I will be here with open arms the moment they decide to leave.
Of course there are reasons and insider story that we don’t know about, so we shouldn’t be bashing any side. There are a group of cassies recently that say they will reveal the dirty secret of the real reason behind the 3:2 split if fans continue bashing HoMin. I’ve tried asking them but they refused to tell me. Before we know anything, before the lawsuit is over, fans shouldn’t be bashing either side
Sorry, I don’t know if this a reply to Don but this is what I want to say….
Don, you mentioned about Cassies have prepared to reveal the dirty secret of the 3:2 if fans continue bashing HoMin….THIS….sounds like a MENACE from HoMin fans. I think it’s time for us fans to move on. They alreday made their stan, so why don’t we do the same????????????
@Move On
I’m a jaejoong/yunjae biased but I have to say it’s JYJ fans who took sides first. I’m not sure what the “secret” would be but that seems like they only said that because they wanted to stop the boycott of homin. Just because some people are choosing sides, doesn’t mean u have to choose. I have my own mind
Ditto~
I love DBSK..all 5 of them..but when push came to shove and they had to make decisions,they should have known that those decisions have consequences..The trio knew that in exchange for their freedom from SM,they risked losing everything they’ve worked hard for..None of us know what went through HoMin’s minds when they decided to stay..But at the end of the day,they have to owe up to the consequences..What SME did to the fandom was pure,unadulterated emotional blackmail-pitting 3vs.2.. I refuse to be manipulated by a greedy,evil monster like SME so until HoMin leaves,I can’t support them.. I still wish them the best though.
Very well said. Thanks you, Eliza.
they are persons. don’t tell me they do not have a choice. i am tired of that reasoning. they have free will. and apparently they decided to stay with the ones making their brothers suffer. i tried my best for a long time to understand them. but it is not logical anymore. what irritates me is that they can manage to do everything SM tells them to do even if it hurts the ones they love. they could have just left. it takes a very courageous person to turn back on everything he had to fight for what is right and to fight for the ones he love. that is why i respect jyj a lot because they stood up. and i hope someday homin will be able to stand up for jyj, that’s if they truly love them. because if you ask me, i know i can turn back on everything i have for the people i love.
then you certaintly haven’t been placed in a situation where you don’t have a choice. Just because we are humans means we always have a choice? We can always decide and get everything we want? Remember some cassies recently who kept saying about the dirty secret behind the split? We don’t know anything so don’t judge until the lawsuit is over
Everybody HAS a choice and when they do made one then only time can tell the result from that. In the end they hv to standby their own choice. Fans just go with yr heart. No need to bash, feel guilty or angry, remember, no ‘fan’ no ‘star’…
I HEART JYJ simply they r so talented, beautiful voice, dare to dream and last but not least have GUTS!
@Don, Every human being always has a choice. We have the choice to live. We have the choice to die. (Think martyrdom.)Even in the most dire situations, one has choices. Its just that most people do not realize it at that time or are too frightened to consider other option(s). Take a look at history — the study of the choices people made. Adolf Hitler’s dictatorship did not succeed because the German people had no choice. They chose him as their leader. They believed he could heal Germany(inflation was so high, a wheelbarrow of money bought one loaf of bread). Even under the most oppressive institutions, one has the choice to acquiesce and the choice to rebel.
We can always decide, but we cannot get everything we want. Repercussions follow every choice.
I am not here to disparage your opinion of Homin and JYJ. You are entitled to it. I am just pointing out your fissures in logic.
I do not like the argument that HoMin didn’t have a choice. I’m sure when the trio decided to file a lawsuit, a “choice” was presented to them and we very much know that they chose to stay. No matter how much we look it, it was a choice.
The argument that there’s no choice, I think that’s just a comfortable reason to settle with.
HoMin chose to agree with SM with using the DBSK name and having a song that is bound to be misinterpreted into negativity. They are here now, standing as DBSK and I believe that is a choice.
It is pointless to argue over who’s wrong or who’s right on this situation and it is more pointless to bash each other. but reasoning that they have no choice is just something that I cannot accept. Let’s just respect them for the choices they made and let time decide on the repercussions.
@juhwang
read my other comment
I think you have to stop making SM as a shield for homin’s actions! They are not little children anymore..and they are not stupid im sure they perfectly understand the meaning/lyrics of the song so they should know teh repercussion if they sing that song specially under this circumstances.
And they stayed at SM so i think that’s pretty much says siding with SM.
Ive said this a million times already but i will say it again people should stop telling people who to support coz people will support whoever they want to support no matter what you say! Even if these bashing each others side did not occur people has the right to choose who they will support..if you want to support all 5 then by all means do that but please stop saying that if you are supporting only 1,2,or 3 you are less of a fan. Be disappointed all you want but that’s reality baby
Of course HoMin knows the meaning of the song! They’re not stupid. Read my above comment. And I’m not asking people to support HoMin if they wanna take sides. I’m just hope they stop bashing them
Im sorry but when did they not have a choice? did they have a gun pointed at them while they record the song? Im sorry but they always have a choice..they chose to stay at sm (and i dont have anything against it.. just making a point here as they have the right to their own choices)they could have just easily joined the other 3 but they didnt so theyve chosen..same with the song..im not gonna expalin anymore but you get the drift
@glowa
Why should they sue SM if they are satisfied with the contract and income distribution?
You said they could easily join the other 3? Easily join the other 3 means sueing which take time, years, boycotting etc. What for go through that if they are satisfied with the contract?
For the song, their choice is to sing it (as long as they think it’s about breaking up & not abt JYJ in their hearts) or refuse and have their career ruined in SM, wait another year to release an album..
@Don
You keep saying everything Homin do/did coz they got no choices,they got force by SMe! WoW~so do u mean everything they do are okay coz they got force even it hurting their brother for 7 years.(eg,last year statements)
Personally if its me,I cant stand it.As a human I will fight for it if I kept being force to do something I dislike.
Eventhough HM being force, they must bear responsible for every actions they do. Not bcoz SMe forced them,that’s mean they r innnocents.
Sorry,I cant stand it how HM always forgiven!
If HM rly think JYJ as aborthers or close friends,HM will try to explain it to public.
Not being quite and release such statements hurting JYJ.(Not include how HM close family bashing JYJ)
Exactly that, glowga!
i support JYJ and i dx support HM. So i dun curr. yeah pretty much that.
Well, you’re right HoMin have every right to choose to stay with SM. But at the same time, they have the right to voice out their opinion and not just follow SM’s every move like they (HoMin) have no thoughts for themselves. BUT, from what I see, HoMin are enjoying the privilege of using the name Dong Bang Shin Ki all for themselves. They even said in an interview that it’s now time they show their own charm or something like that. Haha…may be this is the result of all the years of living under the shadow of Yoochun, Jaejoong, and Junsu when they were together as 5. If only they have some sentiment or respect towards the other three members, they won’t in any way choose to come back with this name Dong Bang Shin Ki. Period!
Btw, my reply was directed to Don’s comment.
You mean HoMin can stay in SM and speak against SM to the media? I’m sure they aren’t happy against SM’s actions towards JYJ but seriously, they can tell the public that? They’ve waited for 2 years to release an album. How do you know they’ve never discussed with SM about the band name. Ultimately the decision lies with SM. Do you think SM is so agreeable to change the band name to HoMin just because they tell SM to?
@Don, then what’s the point for HoMin to stay with SM if they don’t speak the same thoughts…no point! But personally, I don’t think they’re just innocently following SM’s. It’s normal for every human being, if we’re not happy with something to the extreme then there is only one way…OUT! But I don’t see that happening with HoMin. They don’t seem to struggle any such things…they might make it believable to their fans that they’re suffering too, however, actions speak louder than words.
i was always JYJ fans even before the split..
even if JYJ is really the bad guy here..
i really don’t give a damn..
even if JYJ is the one who is greedy..
i really don’t care..
all that i know is that i love their talent and that’s what i’m gonna do..
btw, just pre-ordered Their Room..
can’t wait!!~
@MYoo homin is satisfied with the contract, just because of things like having different thoughts(band name and song), they have to sue? Jyj sued because of something as important as a contract. Plus homin never try to make fans believe they are suffering. Never. They are always the ones who want to pretend to be manly and hide their feelings. Remember what jae said? When they won award, yunho acted strong while everyone cried but he saw yunho hiding in the toilet and crying.
1st question: It’s not that I dont want support to HM, their voices just not my type.
2nd Q: Fair or not fair, its up to customers whether I want to buy specific albums or not. I didnt buy every albums in this worlds does NOT mean I am not FAIR!
http://truetvxq.blogspot.com/
please read the whole site and then talk. most of you don’t seem to have any idea what is going on (or don’t care). stop bashing CM & YH. are you kidding me? YH & CM waited more than a year for JYJ to become TVXQ again. JYJ is the one who decided not to be TVXQ anymore. They wanted to be a new group. They even said they wanted a new “beginning”. They didn’t mention one word about TVXQ all this time and now they are giving interviews about how they are still TVXQ? if someone can please, please explain to me how this makes sense, I am more than happy to listen. you love JYJ. fine but stop creating shit for YH & CM. and THINK. do you really know what is going on? aren’t you getting all this info 2nd hand?? sure, we don’t know Korean but why are you so ready to believe everything you read??? if you don’t believe the above site for his/her translation work, then find a korean who is not biased, ask them to read the contract/websites/notices that FTC sent out and then to translate it correctly and then make a decision whether you want to have a hand in trying to destroy the careers of 2 very talented, hardworking people WHOM YOU CLAIM TO LOVE AND TO HAVE FAITH IN ALWAYS.
sorry. i didn’t post in reply to you but the site just placed it here. will post again at the end.
@findoutthetruth
I have tried reading but I don’t understand? Those contract stuff? o_o what does it mean?
@don it’s not like jyj fans are bashing hm and calling them ‘dogs’. it’s more like db5sk/jyj fans are disappointed in hm using the name ‘dbsk’ and simply converting ‘cassies’ to their own fanclub. this action by them is seem as a betrayal to the fans because jyj has never once called themselves dbsk; they were a PART of dbsk, and they made sure to use another name (jyj) because they understood the significance and weight of the name ‘dbsk’. this was disrupted by the actions of sm/hm and THAT’S why some fans are retaliating. it’s not like they WANT to support one side (esp db5sk fans) but this new arrangement forced db5sk/jyj fans to do so.
and i know you are saying how hm doesn’t have a say in what sm does, lyrics are not written by them, they prob (who knows really) agree to cannibalising the full dbsk name.. they are happy with money and contract that’s why they didn’t sue. and that’s EXACTLY their decision. being in sm for years, surely they knew how sm operated. if they chose to stick with sm knowing their tactics, it’s not like they ‘didn’t have a choice’ because they already complied by ‘sticking to the contract’ in the first place.
i’m sorry for the long comment, it’s not a personal attack or anything. but too much drama has been happening recently and i admit i’m slightly jyj biased althought i’m really ktf and am a db5sk fan. it’s upsetting to see fans saying how they are ‘disappointed with cassies’ etc. etc. but most fans were probably disappointed first. again, no offense, just too much bottled up feelings too late into the night
Even if they leave, SM will just boycott 5 of them. I think they just want to continue as tvxq by staying in SM but they of course, wouldn’t like SM to boycott JYJ. I don’t think they agree to the name when SM told them to continue using it because this was what yunho said in ginger interview. His answer shows that they felt uneasy and might have debated with SM about the name before but decided to go with it in the end because of their fans who has waited for 2 years already
How did it feel with just the two of you standing on stage?
Yunho: “When we decided to use the name of TVXQ to sing, our hearts were very confused. On the first day at Seoul, when we stood onstage, a tremendous amount of applause and cheering welcomed us, which made me deeply understand that ‘there are people who are waiting for us. I can only continue living when I stand onstage.’ These thoughts started spurting out at that moment, and I knew that I could stand up again.”
Changmin: “I was really really happy. But, when the time for us to perform came nearer, I started getting more and more nervous to the point where people around me could easily tell. Subconsciously, I started drinking coffee (laughs). This was the first time in my life that I felt so nervous. The staff must’ve been thinking, ‘are these two going to be okay?’ Compared to the external surroundings, I was mainly having an internal battle of pressure. When Yunho and I silently looked each other in the eyes, we nodded simultaneously to express ‘let’s go!’ To this day, it is still deeply engraved in my mind.”
I’ve been reading my way through the whole site tonight to get info on this issue. (Almost done. And the site has been bookmarked!)
Those last four paragraphs are fantastic. I think they sum up the whole situation very well.
I also understand better why the sight of their Korean fan support brings JYJ to tears. They are an impressive bunch.
sigh~
All this is too recent …
The people is moving on, I will move on too ^^
Hey no joke guys if we really want to boycott we should flag the “TVXQ” video. Is it not that they’re using a name which does not belong to them.
something as important as a band name isn’t up to HoMin to decide. If you don’t want to support them, just leave them alone
Do You know DON?, HoMin’s fans re bashing JYJ in their website. You go there to explain too, this is jyjsite. SM/HoMin hurts Cassie, cassie respond back. In this case, in your opinion, what should cass do? support them(SM) wholeheartly!Allow them alwayl sap JYJ! Cassie have HEARTs!
yes the HoMin stans were crazy and scary
scarier than the evil itself.
@ DON: You’re revealing yourself slowly as a pathetic HoMin defender.
Are you running out of logical explanations?
LMAO 1 by Don: “fans will coming out with dirty secrets behind the split if fans bashing HoMin too much” – Fine with me, I’m waiting for another pathetic fail of HoMin’s fans.
LMAO 2 by Don: “it’s not HoMin’s fault, it’s SME fault for choosing KYHD as comeback song… HoMin has no choice for chosing their songs…they are only satisfied with their contract ”
– There’re thousands of other songs to make a comeback for TVXQ, but SME choose KYHD, clearly a song reflecting their situation with JYJ and in many ways insulting the 3 groundless.
If satisfying with their contracts and incomes means to singing insulting lyrics to indirectly hurting their once friends or just doing what your boss tells you without seperating what’s good and what’s controversials ? Then happy enjoing your dirty money HoMin.
yes… the HoMin fan so scary
this is unwarranted.
Just support jyj. There’s no need of been vile towards homin. If you choose jyj do so and let homin be. Its childish and reflects ill of you. Take the high road.
Agreed.
agreed
I agree. Everything is getting out of hand >.<
Agreed.
@eliza: lol, I’ve bookmarked this site too. jyj3.wordpress.com is officially my most fave site now!
Admins hwaiting!!
@mari: not a big deal. Let’s do this!!
Totally understand where this fancafe is coming from! SM i hate you soo much!
@Omgsun
“SM/HoMin hurts Cassie, cassie respond back. In this case, in your opinion, what should cass do? support them(SM) wholeheartly!”
Yes I’ve explained to them too of course. I support all 5! Can’t you understand? Just because HM fans bash JYJ, we have to hate HM and JYJ fans bash HM, we have to hate JYJ? What kind of reasoning is this?? It’s not even their fault. Since cassies are so divided, there must be lots of antis trying to sow discord now, posing as a fan from 1 side…
Now SM annouce Officall BDSK is HoMin and their fanclub is Cassie, What should cassie do?
@Don
Can I give you an answer? Join the JYJ fanclub when it opens.
All sabotage and slander does is bring you down to SME’s level. JYJ has been better than that, their fans should follow their example. (God, I love these boys so much!)
For example, call themselves Cassie5, Cassie3 & Cassie2. 😀 And Call HoMin TVXQ2 or TVXQ duo (or just HoMin). 😀 Who cares about SME, they can decide to call something ‘official’ all they want, that doesn’t mean we have to go along with it. Maybe SME is trying to force Cassies to take sides, by making HoMin ‘TVXQ’ and HoMin’s fans ‘Cassies’ (divide and conquer tactic?), but that doesn’t mean we have to agree with it. 🙂 I think SME wants to use those 2 names (TVXQ & Cassiopeia) because those names are well known and have a lot of power (SME doesn’t give a damn about how the artists and fans feel about something, just about how much money they can milk from something).
Where there is a will, there is a way. If I wanna use ‘TVXQ’ for all 5 and ‘Cassies’ for the fans of all 5, I dare SME to try and stop me. 😀 The fans are powerful, like they have proven many times, we don’t need SME’s permission for anything. :3
If the boys and the fans have to be split, I’d like to refer to them as 2 sub-units and 2 sub-fandoms. 🙂 I don’t like the idea of 2 separate fandoms and 2 separate groups, since I don’t see JYJ & HoMin as the same kind of different groups like I see, for example, Super Junior and SHINee (and JYJ & HoMin fans are for me not the same kind of different fandoms like, for example, Cassiopeia and ELF). For me, they are 1 group that is currently split into 2 sub-units. 🙂 So, fans that want to separate themselves can go into 2 sub-fandoms. Otherwise, we will have 3 fandoms (because there will always be fans who still support all 5), and that’s kinda stupid. 🙂
So instead of Orion and Holyshinki and whatever fans come up with, I’d rather have Cassiopeia3 and Cassiopeia2 being sub-fandoms of Cassiopeia5. 🙂 Because we are all still part of Cassiopeia which was created for all 5 members. Just like they are all still part of TVXQ which was created by all 5 members (and SME can protest to this all they want, no one cares).
The boys love the name Cassiopeia and the meaning it has (just like they love the name TVXQ and the meaning that name has). And I’m sure all of them want Cassiopeia to support all 5 members (we know JYJ want us to support HoMin, and I’m sure HoMin want the same for JYJ). So let’s not make them sad by discarding the name Cassiopeia which means so much to them. 🙂
Sorry for the long post. 😛
@Don
Agreed. This is one thing I dont get… Everyone loved DBSK.. and now everyones taking sides and bashing the others. Like how is that even a cassie? People who do that dont have the right to be called a cassie.
Im honestly tired of all this crap thats going on, People act like they know whats going on.. Even though JYJ hasnt said anything about the situation and there true feelings.
and HoMin are just doing there best.. they have as much right as JYJ.
WHY would you people even wanna bash Homin? What the hell did they ever do to you?
and then people go on and say “I deserved more then this from them” What the hell do you think you deserve? JYJ and Homin Dont owe you anything.
They have the right to be separate.. there freaking 20 something years old for god sake.
People should show a little more respect. Dont you ever look to see how hard they work? How much they put into there work? thats JYJ and Homin. BOTH are trying so hard to give there love and thanks back to the fans.. trying to make it better.. but NO everyone talks about Bashing Homin.. JYJ being greedy.. Blah blah blah.
People shouldn’t take shit if they dont know shit.
@Don
i don’t think anyone on this site is bashing Homin. We just decided to support jyj. As a reply to your comment above, i believe that people always have a choice. it’s just that sometimes we are too blinded to see that. it takes time and courage to realize that. as for your assumption that i have never been in a situation that i did not have a choice, i think you are not in the place to assume that because you know nothing about me. and i am not going to elaborate on that anymore. anyway, i am not angry with Homin or anything and i do not want to bash them. it is just that for now, i am really hurt. i do wish that someday my heart would heal. as for supporting jyj alone, as i said to you above, my respect belongs to them, and i think i have a say whether who to support. it is hard to support them while supporting Homin. because admit it supporting Homin=supporting SM. buying their products will not only give money to SM but also telling SM that everything is okay for us. that everything they are doing is okay. and it is not certainly okay.
Yes I respect your decision. But if you are not going to support because the money is going to SM, the fact is it’s not going to affect SM. They have their bands and their ‘highest income earner’ who they said is SNSD now. Their income don’t depend on HM. If HoMin’s album sales is bad then SM will just not let HoMin release an album anymore and shift their focus to other bands, HoMin will just fade out slowly. It’s up to you guys anyway, I’ve said enough
for me, it’s not just about money. as i have said, i don’t want SM to have the idea that everything they are doing is okay. that they just can look down to us fans like what they are doing right now. As for the album sales, yes they are probably doing good right now, but i don’t think that it will really benefit Homin in the long run. SM itself is practically ruining Homin’s image now. I think that after they benefit money from Homin, they are just gonna throw them away anyway. I just hope that Homin will finally be able to leave that company someday.
@chi Love your comment! EXACTLY!
I hate SMe so much thst I lost my respect to this company long ago esp after all these blocking JYJ appearance on TV so many times, defamation JYJ Names, release official statements condemn JYJ and family,delaying lawsuits and etc.
So do think I can respect or even support this kind of corrupt company? My answer,NO!
I dont think I cant support any SME artists even if HM there.
I know HM is not wrong to choose to stay in SMe.
But my respect to HM GONE after the harsh statements and their families to JYJ last year. And after all this time, HM never utter any words to clear their names if ITS TRUE they nvr release such statements.
HM kept silent even after using TVXQ’s name and release the album!
We fans need explanation why did they release such a hurtful words to their brothers/members of 7/8 years?
We fans want explanation! and HM kept silent.Sorry I wait and wait and I cant stand it esp after the song lyrics being such misleading esp in this kind of situation!
And now SMe open new membership for TVXQ=2 and where is their explaination.I think HM owe at least that to us fans!
Lets say SMe can change their way or HM do some explanation.
I will think about whether I can support SME artists or not!
@hmm those statements seems false. Uknow signed with a star and changmin signed in Chinese name. It seems weird to sign a document in that manner cos it’s not for fan but for release to media. It’s proven in court that sm forged jyj’s concert signatures. They can forge something so important so what more is a document which is only for the media? U say homin should clear their name and give explanation. How? Tell the media their company forge their names? What will happen then? I think I don’t have to say.
You’ve said enough so will you stop it already?
The point here is this: you enter a fancafe that is obviously jyj biased, spout off stuff about SME and HoMin and still expect readers to smile,nod their heads and say,”okay”???!!!!
We’re not idiots,you know..You’re trying to defend HoMin from all this negativity I get that..hell,i’d bristle too if i read or hear something negative about my bias! But for you to practically shove your opinion on another person is an entirely different thing
excuse me…can we drop all the Homin, TVXQ thingie? This is JYJ3..the blog name says it all.
sorry 🙂
I will and always be with JYJ, no matter what the other said its kim jaejoong, park yoochun and kim junsu that im falling in love with. with or without the name dbsk, i’m still stand by them
As for the other two,,, it hurt,,seriously hurt.. I cant look at you with the same feeling. I believe one day if you walk out of that place i will smile and open my arms to you. But today i don’t want to hurt anymore,, giving this much time and excuse for you, i feel like a fool…
hi5
Hi10
Guys, junsu just tweeted, is there anyone of you who knows the meaning? Please.. Eager much to know..
They are not.. They .. I have trusted it from now.. They are the enemy of our 5. I’ve thought the same like that… But to some of us, they’re not the enemy. I was thankful to had thought the same…
Perhaps there were many things when we were not together. I’m very tired; -@0101xiahtic 아니라고..아닐거라고..믿어왔는데..우리다섯의 적이라고..똑같이 그렇게 생각했었는데..모두의 적만은 아니였나 봅니다..우리가 같이 적이라고 생각해 왔었던 것들에..감사를 표한다는거…같이 하지 못한 시간동안 많은일이 있었나봅니다..너무 지치네요;
I always try to think, to hear and to see something good… I really did.. But today, it’s really hard to me. Although we were parted from each other. But it was not, hyung.. We had the same thought… Why.. Why.. Why do you do this? -@0101xiahtic 좋은것만 생각하고… 듣고.. 보려고 하는데..그렇게 해왔었는데..오늘 만큼은 참 그게 너무나 어렵네요..우리가 떨어져 있어도 ..이건 아니였잖아 형…우리 같은생각이였잖아..왜..왜..그러는거야..
some one translated it in allkpop
No…No..Five of us believed everything together. We should be believing/trusting. Why did it end up like this?”
I wanted to only think of good thoughts, and hear good things..and see good things…and i was doing that but today it is so hard to do that. We are all apart…this isnt right hyung…this was all our thoughts/plans…..why …why….why are you doing that
omo, junsu seems very hurt 😐
from: http://xltweet.com/show/?id=57575E5A54
It’s not like that… It’s not like that… I had kept believing until now. I thought the five of us had a common enemy. Turns out, it appears (it isn’t or they are not) the enemy for all of us. If (you are) expressing thanks to whom I thought were our common enemy… this means, during the time when we were not together, seems like a lot of things have happened. I am so tired.
I had made myself think only of positive things, hear only positive things, see only positive things… Even though that’s what I have been doing… It’s so difficult to do this on a day like today… Even though we parted… It should not have turned like this right hyung? Didn’t we have the same feelings (thoughts)? Why… why…. why is it like this now.
OMG…WHAT THE HELL IS IN KOREA???
I HEARD FROM JIMMIE THAT JYJ ARE BEING DISSED ON MBC RADIO??? IS THIS WHY JUNSU IS UPSET???
what ??? who’s dissing JYJ and how ?
i heard homin fans are mass attacking on junsu .
I wonder who is the ENEMY though?
Junsu sounds worn out and tired of everything. Please be strong?
And Oh My God…what happened? MBS did what to JYJ?
Why HoMin fans attacked Junsu? God, what happened with all fans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The enemy Junsu is referring to is SME. JYJ fans in Korea are in shock because Junsu has always kept his thoughts inside.
I’m waiting for the english translation as well. He sounds upset. Please don’t quote me, though. I barely know Korean. TT
@Don “There are a group of cassies recently that say they will reveal the dirty secret of the real reason behind the 3:2 split if fans continue bashing HoMin.”
If they really reveal the secrets, ask them about homin’s secret too. Be fair to all 5.
Yupp if they reveal the reason about the 3:2 split, of course it will be about all 5. Don’t know what it is about so before that, don’t judge
Everybody has a dirty secret, be it true or fabricated, why those kind of fans are so childish resulting to blackmail or black propaganda? and i think no matter what they reveal, it will not change people’s mind anymore, by this time fans have already decided who and what to believe, and i think we just need to respect each others decision.
“For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all”
(2 Corinthians 4:17)
AKTF!
I wish Jimmies here!
What the heck happens now in Korea? to JYJ ? Through what Junsu’ tweet, I think there’s something important to be broken in his heart now, A belief on their brotherhood? What SM/HMm do to them? Is it consequence for all controversy in our fandom? If it’s that, Please stop. Dont even hurt to anybody anymore.
Let imaging that, most of DBSK fancafes turn to take DBSK duo down and decide to support JYJ, How do SM feel? I’m sure evil SM wont let it happens continuously, They will do something more worst to our JYJ .. i dont know what exactly what they will do but seeing Junsu’s disapppointed reaction like that, I think its really dirty and cruel
JYJ all the way since im Jaejoong bias but i was planning on supporting HoMin too but after reading this article and many other things i dont think i can n e more. I really hoped that this whole thing would blow over soon but i guess not.
>…JYJ FIGHTING…<
“And using the two members like this to bring down the three members, is this really for the good of the two members? Is that the best you can do? Have you completely abandoned thinking about the image of the two members in your pursuit to protect your corporate assets/investments?”
Exactly. There’s no way in hell SME didn’t know about the reaction that TVXQ=2 and the KYHD lyrics would provoke. They’re old hands at this game.
IMO, Yunho and Changmin could very easily have come back under a different name & enjoyed as much success or even more (considering they have SME’s clout behind them & they aren’t being boycotted by music shows) financial success than JYJ has to date. What then, is SME’s motive for attempting to forcefully make us accept that TVXQ=2? They get to divide a fandom that’s been a thorn in their side – Cassiopeia’s efforts were the reason KFC looked into SME’s contracts and ordered a change. They get to make it all that much harder for fans to hold on to the idea of TVXQ=5.
I bet deep down, we all know what SME’s biggest fear is at the moment – the possibility of Yunho and Changmin someday leaving SME and joining up with JYJ to form a TVXQ that’s independent of SME, that won’t profit SME in any way. To prevent this, they have to be sure there won’t be any fans left waiting for them. They have to make sure that neither side gets to talk to one another (and they’ve already done so), this is exactly the same kind of tactics they used during H.O.T’s breakup. And bravo, they’ve done it and they’re doing it, and they might just succeed in the end.
And there’s honestly nothing fans can do except AKTF. Sucks, but this is the way of the world. It’s horrible that cruel hard reality had to intrude even upon this boyband fandom that provided an escape for so many of us 😦
well me 2 at 1st decided 2 support homin n jyj oso.. but after i read news day by day i feel something ‘big’ will happen someday.. maybe kind of WORLD WAR 3.. but rite know after homin say they will show ‘d real tvxq’ n d lyrics of kyhd, i feel really2 dissapointed in them… really3333..T_T.. how could they… i oso think dat SM force them 2 use d name of TVXQ n sing d song, but deep down in my heart i know homin not kid anymore they can say no… eventhough how many times homin fans say it is not their choice 2 make decision but how could they do this 2 their own brothers who they had known 4 9 years ad.. some fan still ‘dream’ of they reunite as 5 members but if u look at d situation now it is impossible… junsu tweets something which made me crying 4 real.. junsu is always composed n never say something bad.. he is d most cheerful person n never show his sad side… n what add 2 d fire, sm announced 4 new official cassiopeia??? wth… i think sm shud reg new fc 4 homin bcoz cassiopeia meaning 5 stars not 2… but maybe sm think dat the word cassiopeia belongs 2 homin coz frm what i heard changmin suggest d name of d fc.. so jyj open ur new fc name so that i can reg in dat fc… i will aways support jyj.. i luv u junsu, yoochun and jaejoong.. no matter how many obstacles, i will always stand by ur sides… always… 😀
If homin says no= their Career in sm gone, sm Will deal with them maybe by not giving them work, don’t have to release the album anymore wait another 2 years. Fans say homin have a choice to say no. Saying no means they hAve to leave. If they are satisfied with most things except name and song etc they have to sue? Unless they are damn rich. It’s very easy for fans to say…
They’re chosen to stay with SM from the start ,Yunho father already did something to JYJ from the start …and then,they’re staying until now,they’re starting the new TVXQ with only 2,THEY WANT IT ,and THEY DO IT THEIR WAY,and if you’re already choose your side ,you just go back to your fan club ,clab your hand + sing your lovely song with those people you loves ,you don’t need to give out any excuse or explanation for YOUR HOMIN ,we don’t need that ,we know who we love and what to believe…
“If homin says no= their Career in sm gone”
So Homin can never say no to SM beacuse they love their career more than anything else, even more than they love the group TVXQ’
“If they are satisfied with most things except name and song etc they have to sue?”
They are satisfied and happy in SM- that’s it so just leave the fans to have their decision anyway Homin is happy and safe with 2 giant companies backing them up plus they are now using a legendary band name TVXQ (Homin is entitled just 40% of that name). And i don’t think they are not happy with the song KHUD, see how fierce and passionate they sing in the MV, they are proud and happy with it, no doubt.If you want to support them, go ahead but please don’t act like a missionary for them in this site.
@lovejjonly
Just to let u know, I’m not HoMin fan. I’m a DBSK fan from the start and still am. Plus my fav is yunjae. I just feel that it’s unfair to HoMin to be bashed
@Kris
HoMin of course has to sing the song fiercely. That’s the concept of the song.
“So Homin can never say no to SM beacuse they love their career more than anything else, even more than they love the group TVXQ”
Talking is so easy, try putting yourself in their shoes. Refusing to sing can’t help anything at all. I’m sure if they left SM, people will also find things to bash them saying why are they only leaving now plus other drama.
Anyway if your boss is bad to a friend who sued the company, will u be happy and agree with it just because you’re staying? Doesn’t mean u don’t agree with the company here and there, u must sue. They have a contract so saying no to the songs, album means they have to sue to leave. And how will leaving help? It will only do more harm because SM will not have to care for HoMin’s image at all, not afraid that ppl will boycott homin at all and fully do nasty things to all 5 of them. All TVXQ videos will be taken down since none of their artistes are in it already plus other factors which are too long to list here.
@ DON ,I was so in love with YunJae,now ,nothing to say any more..If you don’t want to see HoMin to be bashed ,how about me to see Jae being bashed at another web page ?I’m so sad of the picture tvxq only 2 members right now,it brokes my heart ,I only love the TVXQ WITH 5 PEOPLE IN THE GROUP…
Don’t you know ,another band from SM:H.O.T was disbanded in 2001 ,their video is still showing in UTUBE ,”WE ARE THE FUTURE”,”GIT IT UP”,”I YAH” is still there,so ,don’t worry :”All TVXQ videos will be taken down since none of their artistes are in it “,It’s not another good excuse for HOMIN…
“If you don’t want to see HoMin to be bashed ,how about me to see Jae being bashed at another web page ?”
You saw some homin fans bashing jae so you count it onto homin’s fault? That’s not right. I see JYJ fans bash HoMin but I still love JYJ. I see HoMIn fans bashing JYJ but I still love HoMin. Because it’s the fans’ problem. Not theirs
@lovejjonly
And I forgot to add. SM didn’t remove HOT vids because kangta is still is SM. I don’t want DBSK to be like H.O.T, misunderstanding each other for 10 whole years before knowing the truth reccently abt how SM tricked the 3 members into leaving and the 2 members that they will recontract with the 3 after 2 of them sign. Now they are finally reuniting and coming back as H.O.T but 10 years are gone when they could have just trust each other more
@ Don ,Tell you the truth ,I hate the share holder of SM,Kang Ta.And I don’t believe about “the small misunderstanding thing ” lead to the disbanded the legend band at that time…You can choose whatever you believe,I’m not into that .And about the bashing thing ,I don’t want to see it happen with JYJ or HOMIN either ,I love JYJ ,I want them live in peace,walk in peace …Once more thing ,If you love JYJ ,really love them with your heart ,please read this :http://6002sky.blogspot.com/2010/12/twitter-update-this-from-theyoungestmin.html
@lovejjonly
What are said in that blog, I’ve all covered here in my comments already, I believe. HoMin didn’t give the deadline to the members to make a decision. SM did. HoMin isn’t the boss and it’s impossible for them to “set a date for JYJ to make a decision before it’s too late”. HoMin have no right to ask them to come back, how do homin know SM wants JYJ back after JYJ sue them? HoMin can’t decide for SM
So I’m very sure it isn’t them.
@Don I think you feel fair when JYJ are bashed!
Note: In Korea, when someone ignores and looks down the others, we use expression like this, ‘keep your head down’. It’s really vulgar expression.
@ DON :You’re keep saying that you love JYJ and HOMIN the same,equally,but everything in your explanation is just trying to say-” HOMIN is have a right to do this to do that ,and they’re not the one on blame ,people who’ bashing are…;HOMIN say no their career in SM is gone…”so they must sing no matter what…?Is that you want to say?
TVXQ ,THE 5,They have nothing from the start ,they were together in everything,shared together in everything,You tell us :HOMIN is not rich,SAYING NO MEANS THEY HAVE TO LEAVE ?so that mean JYJ left SM when they’re rich enough?Why only JYJ IS RICH?and the LAWSUIT ,and the broken free of JYJ ‘ve got litle by little now ,you mean the JYJ’re paying to get that…THE LAWS ,and THE COURT ORDER ,tell me is so easily to buy over there…?
Don’t tell me you love them equally ,you’re always stand on HOMIN side,you didn’t stand on JYJ side ,you didn’t see the hardship JYJ ‘ve got in the past 2 years,you didn’t remember those things SM already done to JYJ since the day they left…You ‘re only trying to protect HOMIN and the song they’already choose to sing…
You’re HOMIN’ fan ,just believe it already.
@OMGsun You are crazy, I have nothing to say to you.
@lovejjonly
JYJ is not rich too. They sued because they wanted to break free of the slave contract. Something as important as a contract needs to go to court of course. I’m saying if homin feels happy with the contract and just disagreements on the name and song then why sue? And you say I’m a homin fan or why didn’t I defend JYJ. Did u see me on other websites? When people scold JYJ I also defend them but you’re only seeing me here on this site, where homin is being bashed so u think im only defending them. What proof do u want? See my blog? My bias is jaejoong, from last year until now, u can look at the date, 80% is about jaejoong.
I read & understand , thanks very much for sharing .
JYJ is in my heart.
wow did the admins write this?
now this is hardcore and people dont bash them it was their decision and i actually agree with most of it
SM this is all your effin fault they could have used their power to encourage the guys to go back and yunho could have at least had the guts to say something to them instead “take responsibilties”
the 3 love DBSK if not then why the hell did jj have a tvxq tattoo and him and yoochun have AKTF
im also disappointed in Homin
in all honesty i supported JYJ more but i still loved changmin and yunho but things seemed to be getting worse and little by little i stopped looking at articles regarding them and only looked at chagnmin and yunho
how i wish i had a time machine so i could go back in time and showed the founder of SM HOW to treat their artist properly and maybe the greatest group of all time would still be together
i think casseiopia should do something like stick together cuz how i see it i feel as cassies are a threat to SM there are alot in korean but there are alot more all around the world we just have to push their buttons
just suppoert who u want guys ..ignore those haters or at least try to IK it’s hard but lets cheer our boys uo they been blocked,bashed,backstabbing..etc but guys don’t lose yr faith on them keep them in yr prayers.comfort them send luv twitts over&over bash those trolls who send them hateful twitts ..be there for them.buy their cds,dvds,that’s how u can help them ….spread their luv as much as u can..whatever u do for them .do it widely fellows plz
keep them in your hearts……be loyal and respectful..understand their pain and soorows
DON’T LET THOSE HATERS WIN OVER THEM NO MATTER WHO THEY R SME OR THEIR PUPPETS OR THEIR IGNORANT BIAS.PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
SPREAD THEIR LUV AS MUCH AS U CAN
MORE SUPPORT NOW MORE THAN EVER
FIGHTING..REAL CASSIES WHETHER THOSE HATERS LIKE IT OR NOT WE R AND ALWAYS BE…JYJ3 FIGHTING
keep in mind that we cassiesss always luved u
please vote for JYJ ,SUJU on the lead now ;
http://img.1ting.com/Node/KMusic/#
vote ! F5 refesh faster!!
vote for JYJ ,please
http://listas.rpp.com.pe/musica/2609-fenme
I don`t think HOMIN satisfied with SM.for me,it`s like at that time(JYJ prepared to sue SM and all 5 of them discussed about it) when HOMIN had to choose suing SM or not,they choose to stay in SM. IT`S like They choose a side depends is it more benefit for them or not, why i said like this,because the reason JYJ sue SM because they are miserable,overworked,overtired,under paying,live unhealthy(i mean they sleep 4 hours a day,what life is it?)i can`t believe JYJ is miserable with SM but HOMIN NOT? how can that happened? i mean JYJ and HOMIN are in the same band,they lived together,they must be have the same feeling. no offense to HOMIN fans,but i always think they want to play safe and don`t dare going through a hard time to fight for their right like JYJ.I dont hate HOMIN,not at all,aside what went through,i believe they still have good personality.but they have chosen..it`s up to fans to choose either.
I think you have it right. JYJ admitted that they were willing to never work again in order to leave SME. (It was small risk, but a real one.) HoMin decided that it wasn’t bad enough to risk their careers over. I can’t blame them for that; they are the eldest sons in Korean society, they have responsibilities I can’t relate to. I just wish….
exactly.
Bonds become thin and brittle due to discrepancy in values.
From an objective stance, I believe that it was both parties — JYJ and Homin — who contributed to the TVXQ split. (Although the main culprit was SME and their lack of humane policies.) JYJ filed a lawsuit; Homin chose to remain in SM. Nurul then theorizes why Homin made this decision: they value their hard-earned success rather than freedom.
I had this theory in my mind for quite a while. From Yunho and Changmin’s standpoint, perhaps they were reminiscing the nine years of blood and sweat shed to stand where they are now – at a legendary pedestal of the music industry. Perhaps this is why they believed that a loss of personal freedom was a price worth paying. And perhaps this is why SME still has copious artists working under their name.
Jaejoong, Yoochun, and Junsu, on the other hand, simply prioritized their values differently — freedom over success. It is a much more liberal standpoint: they were willing to give up everything — their careers as singers, their fame, their homeland — in order to fly free.
It must be emphasized that although both sides have different tenets, it doesn’t mean one is “correct” or is “more significant” over another. In the end, like the start of all conflicts, this separation was due to the clashing of different values.
please vote for JYJ ,THE SS501 took the lead already :
http://listas.rpp.com.pe/musica/2609-fenme
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http://www.allkpop.com/2009/10/tvxqs_income_revealed
http://www.88news.net/2009/08/04/the-dbsk-situation-the-truth-and-distortion-an-insider-report/
Did you watch any concert of JYJ ?How about a song name “W”?If you believe in that blogspot,you can run away ,run to the new homepage of TVXQ -HOMIN ,and celebrate with the fans over there …You
don’t need to watching us ,or reading those things we ‘re talking in here ,we’re those people who’s still love TVXQ -THE FIVE ,and JYJ ,We know why we loves them ,and believe in them…And you ,who love HOMIN and believe in SM.,you just go to wrong page ,and wrong time now…
Nicely said.
THIS!~
findoutthetruth should know that we’re here to support JYJ and TVXQ5..
we’ve made our decision already..
you should go to other place babe..
Hi5!
btw she just want to promote her blog, so funny *laughing*
personally I pity her. lol.
You go wrong place!
So you’re saying the korean courts were wrong and the blogger’s right? Why dig the legal issues anyways? this is a fancafe, not a court of law..
I’d rather letting TVXQ disband than seeing the 5 members in 2 and 3 with no talking at all 😦
Aaah….my mind keep arguing now..
I just want both TVXQ and Cassies still in good relation to each other 😦
i know Tvxq first time at 2007 with summer dream MV.even at that time i became JJ biased,but i didn`t love them yet,but when i heard Doushite first time early 2009,i`m already a hardcore TVXQ fans.and now i already prepare myself to the worst situation that will happen at JYJ. 1 year and half ago,when JYJ sue SM AND being bashed for their decision,i was hurt and sad JYJ had to going through a hard time.at that time almost 3 months i could`t visit TVXQ fan sites and to saw bad news about JYJ just breaking my heart.now we have to face the reality,HOMIN aren`t waiting JYJ..even though JYJ until now the one who keep hoping for together again,but not from HOMIN side,they already called themselves as new TVXQ and opened registering for new Cassiopeia,my heart refuse to accept it,because the name of TVXQ entitle for 5 members,the worst thing is HOMIN don`t explain yet about this current situation.i feel tired.. all i have to do now just to support JYJ,they have my heart and respect.
JYJ AND JYJ FANS FIGHTINGGG…
HOMIN’s new album, their claim to the sole right to Tohoshinki and SME’s call for the 3rd term Cassies have upset fans in Korea so much. A majority of fans are being awakened to the harsh fact: TVXQ is really over. I think that new facts and informations that has thus far been covered or hidden will come out one by one.
yes. somewhere inside me died when i read tvxq act 2 starts now…… tvxq for me now is really only the nice memory……….
thnx for your dedication on this work and thnx to your Korean friend, too. only one thing tht i wanna add to this is that….this Korean JYJ fan’s web cafe’s name is “Ikadong”[ikadong], not Akadong. pls check this out ^^;; and thank you again!!! now I realize tht how cool all fans of JYJ are!!! fighting!!!>.<
gogo JYJ
U have us…
We will be your support on your side all the way to the end
Oke enough!! Who said whose leave whose here??? JYJ leave HoMin?? Oh Come on guys, dont be soooo naive~ I was YunHo biased (before TVXQ a.k.a YH & CM comeback). But Im JYJ fans now^^.
Why some ppl keep saying JYJ leave HoMin??? Dont you know that they all decide together to go out from SM?? But then who decide to stay in ‘last minute’?? Well, I know some people said they stay becoz their parents. But then people said JYJ leave HoMin?? Please…
So any bash and argue about HoMin work suspend in the last 2 years or all the things about HoMin wait JYJ to comeback with them stop here oke!!! HoMin work suspend and cant make their comeback isn’t JYJ fault and not fans fault. ASK SM!!!!
N how pathetic SM r, they give news about HoMin cant make a comeback bcoz they wait JYJ to back with them??? LoL… Dont make any excuse SM… JYJ sue you,.. do you think JYJ will comeback to you??? <<< Dont bring HoMin here. Im sure HoMin know exactly what JYJ do.
So Keep your head up fans and SM let it go…
I want to add that HoMin have not suspended their work for the last 2 years. Yunho acted in a drama and a musical, has secured a role in a new drama and performed in several concert like Michael Jackson event and SM concert. Changmin also played a leading role in a drama.
wow…this is a long notice
I really understand where the Kcassies come from. And I agree with the points made
Back then the rumour about HoMin making come back at TVXQ….fans was crying river, and SM chickened out saying that was only rumour. But then they still decided to go w/ it. When it was confirmed, I was so devastated. To those who say its only a name…yes, is it only a name, but the memories that tied to that name were precious to most of us. To me, TVXQ/DBSK/Tohoshinki will forever mean 5. So to see the 2-member TVXQ,and “TVXQ vol.5 CD is released” ” TVXQ 2nd act starts now” ….such things, hurt me so much. I tried to have an open mind and heart, but in the end, it is too hard. I cant do it. Seeing news regarding the 2-member TVXQ, my heart aches. It totally discredited the hard work that jaejoong-yuchun-junsu put in for the past 7 years.
I still remember the vid of JYJ’s first performance of “W”. It was just heartbreaking. Then followed by “Nine” which was supposedly reflecting on the 9 yrs together for the boys [as in 5 I think] … such heartfelt , beautiful lyrics that’s full of yearning and love. and what do we have as a response? “Why – Keep your head down” —> I couldnt believe it. To those who say HoMin didnt write that song, let me remind you JYJ didnt write “W” as well. Those 2 situations are similar….but the outcomes are really different
It is really up to each person regarding who you want to support. And I am a proud JYJ supporter. I will keep on loving them and supporting them cause they worth it. Yes, they worth ALL my love
like ur comment so much, agree totally
Ne… thanks for correct me^^ maybe those people mean sing activities…
actually, the site’s name is ‘ikadong’
that means [20’s kassies of dongbangshinki].
To be the membr of that fan cafe, they should be older than dbsk, and they were 20’s when dbsk made their debut.
thank you for explain!!
@Don: I have read most of your comments, I have thought about it but I dont think it’s enough to persuade me and most of people in here.
You said Homin is satisfied with the contract in terms of year, money distribution etc, ok ok I accept that, you said SM force them to sing the songs, they dont have any voice, they have to do what SM ask them to do. Now this is even worse, do you mean because they are happy with the contract, with the money, they will do and anything people ask them to do, even bash and hurt their own brothers? You said they dont have choice, but any of us can see why dont they quit like JYJ? you said SM will boycott the whole 5? So do you mean under unethical behavior of a powerful party, all we can do is silence and become a slave? What about Cassie, Cassie is nothing in that case? and to me, a song has to come from the artist’s heart, that’s when you can feel all the emotion, if Homin sings the song because someone force them, then that’s no different with a robot singing. and if they like it…, I have nothing to say
Be honest, I am still waiting for their direct comments, their thoughts. Are they following SM and participate in all the stuffs that SM uses to hurt JYJ, do they endure this just because they wait for their contract to finish? this is the something I still hope for, but there is rumors (I read from some comments, but dont want to believe) that they have renewed their contracts with SM. I need someone to confirm it right or not. so waiting… not so sure for how long as their behaviors keep making me so disappointed, not buying KYHD anyway
Previously, I don’t think there were much issues as DBSK’s activities ran smoothly. That’s why homin was satisfied with the contract and stayed. It is only after the lawsuit that SM made that song and continue the name thing..anyway if they quit because of these few things, and join JYJ? Fans will only say things like ‘why join only now, JYJ can be successful on their own, they don’t need you,’ shit like that. I know for sure. Why not they just wait for JYJ’s lawsuit to be over? It’s going to be over soon and if JYJ won, then their contracts may be changed or SM might negotiate for JYJ to return. Also heard that their contract (7years) is ending soon. It is not wise to waste so much money to sue like that right? When they can just wait for it to end and leave
Actually they were a lot of problems between SM and DBSK before, that’s why most KCassies disliked SM long before the lawsuit. Remember when SM wanted to remove Yunho from DBSK but all the members and their parents argued against it and Yunho’s father even asked for the fans’s help and support for his son (and at that time the fans boycotted SM to show that they didn’t agree so SM chickened and Yunho stayed in DBSK) and then there was this project of rotating members and once again the fans were angry about it and protested until SM gave up. That’s when ALL the members’s parents agreed that DBSK was and should always be 5 (and the boys themselves said that only when the 5 of them were together they could be called TVXQ) and that if one member was to leave or be removed then the band shouldn’t be called by the name of TVXQ/DBSK anymore. KCassies have a long story disagreeing with SM and figting for the boys, that’s why most of them support JYJ so heartfully and are disppointed by HoMin now.
if you are a true fan, you can never ever say that JYJ might negotiate and go back to SM because, they will not. How can you even imagine they’re going back to the SM??? to that hell place?? where JYJ called “prison”?
JYJ will not waste their money on the lawsuit because JYJ will win and SM will have to pay all the money cost for JYJ. Why don’t you just go and support the NEW DBSK?
agree with u…whoever ask JYJ to go back to that company, me and i’m sure pretty much all JYJ fans will REFUSE to let that happen! they’re unhappy at that hell hole, so why bother going back? for yunho to say hurry up and come back to sme that’s like an insult to JYJ who’s fighting hard to win this lawsuit not only for themselves but for the benefits for the next generation of idols…this type of slave contracts shouldn’t even exists anymore in the 21st century ==
I just wonder if you have read the interview of Homin saying
“When a swarm of geese prepare to migrate, they never forget to make the correct formation. I don’t think it’s right when a few of the geese who chose to broke away still considered themselves as part of the flock.” – changmin
(when he was asked do you have anything to say to JYJ he said) NO. – changmin
DBSK was created by SM, and can only exist in SM. -yunho
Homin doesn’t even consider JYJ as DBSK anymore and they got nothing to say to JYJ, who is suffering freakin hard and can not even be on the fuckin TV but still so good and kindhearted to love homin.
Now, you go to your whatever Homin community and have fun there.
And what’s even more funny is that Changmin’s whole geese metaphor makes no sense and I found out I’m not the only who thinks so. Here is the link to an article which explains why : http://www.dongbanger.com/five_in_the_black/jyj-geese-changmin01132011/
And here is a little extract :
“Based on various online sources about the nature of geese, they don’t necessarily always ostracize any goose who may find itself (or themselves) removed from the flock. Geese are incredibly loyal to each other. Even as pairs, they pair up early and are monogamous until one or both of them die. Geese don’t generally split off from the larger flock for no reason at all.
In other words, geese fall out of their flock for dire reasons, like being wounded or being severely sick; not just because they felt like flying in another direction.
What’s more interesting is that, again according to online sources, if one goose has to leave the flock, about two other geese usually leave with him/her and stay until he/she has either recovered or died.”
I’m not bashing Changmin, just stating facts and I was actually shocked by how wrongly he used this geese analogy when I first read the interview so I wanted to point it out.
Wow, I just found this while browsing the internet. These articles are pretty interesting and clear up a lot things. I just think it would be nicce if Jimmy or some people fluent in korean could check out the korean sources, just to be sure. (cuz unfortunately my korean is still to weak for me to understand most of the things written in the original korean articles D:)
http://hopeforjyj.wordpress.com/2011/01/22/who-is-forever-part-i-jyj-and-cosmetics-business/
http://hopeforjyj.wordpress.com/2011/01/23/who-is-forever-part-ii-the-story-behind-the-contract-between-tvxq-and-sm/
http://hopeforjyj.wordpress.com/2011/01/24/who-is-forever-part-iii-jyj-vs-homin-the-dispute/
http://hopeforjyj.wordpress.com/2011/01/25/who-is-forever-part-iv-so-who-is-he/
Jae has always been my bias.. so it’s a given that in supporting him i have always supported JYJ. But i have also supported Ho-min. To count how many times that i felt that my heart had reached rock bottom because of this would be to many to tell. Though it may be my naivety to say i still see them as 5, i am not so absent minded as to give excuses to events that i think were clearly wrong or gravely mishandled by both parties.
But they are human, and unfortunate for them their mistakes effect the lives and trust of thousands who might not be so forgiving.
For TVXQ fans who get confused with this lawsuit mess pls read this blog http://truetvxq.blogspot.com
sorry..you go wrong site…we not confused anything,we know what we doing.
it seems like fans of that site is going around trying to get people to read it
this is a JYJ fans site..
oh and I did go there…and I think its full of BS, u r lucky to post this here..since if I were to do the same there, my comment wont even show up
hhhmmmm..something wrong with antis to day, they getting crazy and come our site too!!!Admins wow… to much unfair to the boys today already,can you clean our site, we need to have fesh air to our site!
I’m really not intruding or anything. It just seems to me like you didn’t even cared to understand what the other two members really felt. Your bias is very strong for JYJ from the start even if they are still in TVXQ. I’ve read the full article with the intentions of understanding both sides. And I won’t comment any further since this is a JYJ site.
Honestly, I’m pretty sure many JYJ fans are tired of hearing the same excuses, “HOMIN HAD NO CHOICE!” “Sm doesn’t listen and probably won’t listen to them?” They are old enough to take the consequences for their actions. I made up the same excuses for them when I believed in OT5 that SM probably scripted the whole interview, there letters were fake and etc…
Seriously, come and face the facts. HOMIN did have a choice, a choice to say yes and no. I mean even if the registration for new Cassiopeia were SM’s decisions, HOMIN should have said something. If they weren’t willing to say something to SM for JYJ then they should have riled there courage up and said something to SM for Cassiopeia, the fanbase that idolized TVXQ for 7+years. I mean through thick and thin, Cassies waited for JYJ and HOMIN, and what did they get when HOMIN came out with TVXQ’s 5th album? JYJ were not only considerate to HOMIN when they came out with there American album, they were also considerate to the fans. But since it wasn’t there choice, we should let them slide right? No! Fans continue to wait because Cassies are that dam much in love with TVXQ5, and then there suddenly the new recruitment for only HOMIN fans.
WOW…that was a big slap in the face. The name Cassiopeia is now only reserved for HOMIN fans. Thanks TVXQ2…thanks for showing Cassies just how much you cared for our feelings. Now at least we know how much we actually meant to you despite all those time you have endlessly showered the Red Ocean with compliments and thanking us for your achievements. If not for JYJ then you should have at least stood up for us Cassies.
Man up to your actions is all I got to say.
Thank you Whitney for this last album…
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