One of the biggest and most active TVXQ fansites DNBN.pe.kr just went pro-JYJ. They’ve listed the relevant laws to explain why they decided to go JYJ only on their page.
Korean announcement here. We are waiting the english version.
Credit: DNBN via @Spring Breezes
Shared by: JYJ3
it was just a matter of time……………….
I wish the international sites would get out of denial. they can still support all 5 but realize that the chances of them getting back together r slim to none
I agree, I mean so many int’l fans who only go to those sites are still in the dark cause the sites won’t tell them the truth.
it’s true but you have to remember that JYJ and HoMin are still the original TVXQ..they didn’t said that the’re broken up but only separated due to the lawsuit..unless they said themselves that they’re broken up then we will give up our hope..TT^TT
we still hope there is a chance for them to getting back together as 5(even though it will take years )..we do realize about the current situation that’s why when Junsu Jaejoong Yuchun decided to started off with JYJ we give them fully support(that’s one thing for sure)..same goes to the other side..
what i’m trying to say here is we’re hoping for TVXQ5 but at the same time we support JYJ and TVXQ2..^^
i feel free to speak my mind on this site..thank you very much guys for accepted my comments without any bashing..kamsahamnida!!! ^^
Deep down, I do wish to see all 5 back together. It’s my wish to watch their live concert and I’ve not catch one…
But the reality is, the only way for them to be together is for HM to leave SM.
No way JCS will go back after all the nonsense their so-call ex-friend bashed them. And fact is, HM already express their thoughts that they are not leaving SM.
So duh~~
for me i already not really care about reunite again U_U
Because.. I don’t know.. there are too many thing happens, there are so many disappointment.. I don’t know if they back together i still have “feel” toward hm like the old days.. i hope if that happen, my wound already heal and I will genuinely happy ^^
I know, but i’ve followed them for these years…it’s not easy to let go.
I still look forward to the day the 5 boys can stand together on the stage.
Though for now, I’m gonna support JCS fully.
I expected more fansites will follow this. I want Yuerubi to make a clear stand too.
As far as I know, that place is run by Hotels. A lot of international fans, including Bigeast, mistaken places like Yuerubi as TVXQ5 but that’s not true. Just because they haven’t made an “official” announcement doesn’t mean they haven’t taken sides. This unfortunately adds more confusion to international fans.
What do you mean by Hotels?
No, the site is still OT5. JYJ fans will not leave the site and let it belong to HM fans. If they decide to make official announcement they will have to take vote and JYJ fans will pwn the vote.
They cannot lose ground on Yuerubi because for the past 7 years, the place has been very popular just like DNBN. People have to prove that they are hardcore in order to upgrade so they can access to all the info.
If JYJ lost Yuerubi, it would make them look really bad.
Daum cafe has always been important in calculating power of fandom.
JYJ fans gotta fight hard for this.
and Hotel girls? Their root has always been at Tellzone gallery.
Hotel. Ho stands for Yunho. Tel stands for Telzone. It’s Yunho’s group of fans who organize to spread rumors about JYJ to international fans.
@ jyjdancetime
First of all, I always wanted to tell you that your name is cute. Just had to get that off my chest.
I did hear that fans are still fighting for Yuerubi.. but I don’t know. We’ll see how it goes.. but from what I know, it’s not getting much respect.
Hotel’s power at telzone is waning though, after the creation of the JYJ gallery. After the new ranking system, the JYJ gallery has always been in 1st place. But yeah, I do agree that the antis do seem to hover around telzone like it’s their breeding ground or something. But…. as of now, the trend looks like JYJ is gonna win out there too. Who knows though since DNBN has tipped in JYJ’s favor.. maybe more will flock there in the coming days and weeks.
Whenever I see the phrase “Hotel girls” I always have the urge to ask if they are the type that charge by the night or by the hour.
Now that I’ve said it, I don’t have to think about it anymore.
@ELIZA: OMG LOL!
Now I can’t un-think that! XD
@eliza : LOL…yeah, it happened to me too…
@ Eliza ,thanks for making me laugh non stop…And now you make me think about the thing…I never think about…>*_*<
@Eliza MTE!!!! its sound so ~~~~ ahahaha
hmm… so it happened. On one hand I am delighted that they are supporting JYJ because DNBN is a force to be reckoned but on the other hand I hope that this will not escalate the fanwar, that is waging right now and will instead give the new JYJ family a new, stronger identity.
yeah, i agree. but i’m sooooo thrilled by this news.
it’s really abt time for our boys to be set free frm this dilemma…
i can’t wait for the day that we [JYJ FAMILY] will see them during these music shows……..like ASAP…CAN’T WAIT
K-CASSIES ,U R JUST PURE LUV.GUYS FIGHTING
NO MORE FAN-WAR………sigh
we want to be happy just 4 once like reallly happy for our boys…….anties have a break leave our boys alone focus on yr bias ,we r just sick & tired frm yr bashin’
So basically, out of all the major DBSK sites Yuerubi is the only one that still supports HoMin in the slightest bit. That should tell you that there is something pretty wrong with HM/SME
Intl fans always say things like “it’s because all these people were JYJ biased anyways”, but these sites…and I’m sure a lot of people on here…used to love all 5 and were OT5 biased.
HM and SME ruined their image themselves….
omo your nick… jaejoong-ah
can’t agree more… they ruined it themself…
yeah i was an OT5….
About time! Who’s next? And people should realize that, this is the decisions of the admins.
no, this is not the decision of admins. They organized voting to make this decision.
Yes, finally democracy yayyyyyyy voting is the best ^^
yes, it clear that is decision of members when they vote!!
DNBN’s announcemnt: everyone voted, so no one can say it’s admin’s decision. It’s a paid site, so members have a say in which way they want the site to go. Admins didn’t make this decisions by themselves.
(by @Spring_Breezes)
wow..this is a pay site!! it mean members pay to become members???
Really? That’s great!
It took the site to decide this long, so it only means that this decision is well thought and discussed. Almost 2yrs of believing and hoping but in the end like in real life, We must chose our path. Decide on what we think is best.
Will I be uncol if I go Yay!!!!! JYJ needs our support even now more than ever. Yes, I am one of those intl fans who believes in all 5…that is until the HoMin interview when I saw the likelihood of all 5 coming together anytime soon going down the drain. Maybe they will collaborate in the distant future but not while HoMin is with SM. I foresee that HoMin will get a job as a dance choreographer (Yunho) and maybe Changmin will go solo or act. They do not seem like they are very risk-taking. After the HoMin interviews,I decided to support JYJ while still loving HoMin (Maximum!!!) Anyway, I will keep an eye on HoMin’s activities but they have the backing of SM and JYJ has the backing of us fans. So, JYJ and JYJ Family, FIGHTING!!!!!!
*uncool. I hate typos!
Yess! In present reality, there is no TVXQ. Homin is not TVXQ but Homin. SM made mistake to continue milking the group’s name.
Long live JYJ!
yup yup… A++++++++++++++
OMG! i feel so bad for Homin but when i saw jae in a web side just for JYJ a days ago, a knew that in this moment they just want to enter to JYJ sides, so something like this would happen….im sure that other tvxq pages will take the same desicion….T.T….i want the 5 as one again!!!..but im JYJ bias too T_T…im sorry Yunho and changmin i love u but…
I don’t feel bad for homin. They brought this on themselves imo.
You can’t lose support without having done something to make people stop wanting to support you..
They chose the name TVXQ and the company over the fans who supported them for the last 7 years. They are recruiting third generation Cassiopeia? Haven’t you seen clearly?
It’s time to let go and move on.
I don’t know why I should feel bad when they have disregarded my feeling and chose the company instead.
would you mind telling me what third generation cass mean? cz i’m new fans (2010)….
i’m sure they have a reason for what they did…for all we know SM could be threatening them…at the very least SM must be feeding them lies and munipulating them like what they did to HOT
but, yes i am dissapointed in homin and i like them less and less as the days go by but i can’t help but try and see the bright things in life 😥
JYJ promised that they will tell us everything one day whenever it’s possible ❤ so i hope that…that day will come soon…
@dindalovejaejoong when DBSK debuted they opened the first term of subscrition to the official fanclub,in 2006(or 2007?)the second since then K cassies asked various times for SM to open the third term but they denied it ,they promised to do it in 2008 but they didn’t.That is one of the Major reason that is pissing Kcassies cause the message SM want to send is clear:”we will take new members that approve of our way of doing things and we don’t care about you”
The history of Cassiopeia with SM has always been bad a lot of HoMin I-fans who are now bitching about the boycott seem to forget that this the only way Cassies can be heard we did it in in 2005 when SM wanted to rotate yoochun and jaejoong out from TVXQ,in 2008 cause of SM disregard to Cassies requests and 2009 after the lawsuit.
@Chris
What’s the right info. First I heard it was only JJ that SM wanted to take out of DBSK (maybe bcos of the DUI?), then it was JJ and Su, now it was MICKY and Jae? Which one should we believe?
@dindalovejaejoong, To add to Dana’s explanation for the reason why K-Cassies are so angry at SM. There were many things that SM promised them, like more benefits (special versions of CDs, tickets to showcase/concerts/events, unseen pics of our boys, gifts and the list goes on) for registering as an official Cassie (there is a annual fee that a Cassie must pay to SM for that title), yet year after year, they fail to deliver. They would always make excuses, and Cassies forgive them because they love DBSK, yet when they saw how BigEast were treated, they felt that they were neglected,taken advantaged of, and I guess inferior or less important to SM than the Japanese fans.
@Really? all versions are “kinda” true….in 2005 it was confirmed that SM wanted to rotate Jae and Micky hence the boycott;in 2006 after Jae dui rumors began spreading about SM wanting to throw him out of DBSK but cassies protested there was no boycott needed when SM cleared that he was just suspended;again in 2006 after “Timeless” sucess rumors began spreading about Junsu going solo again kcassies began protesting(no boycott)and SM denied that he will go solo anytime soon…..hope i cleared things for u^_^
I will only support homin again, if they leave sm, even if they chose not to reunite with JYJ, at least, they show the fans their courage.
I am new fan but i think it is ok to feel that way, it not easy to get over with somthing happen for years. Every one differen mind, but atleast we know that it right or wrong and what we have to do for make right decision .
@cris um what did you mean that sm wanted to rotate yoochun and jae out of DBSK sorry its just the first ive heard of this i havnt been in the kpop world that long to know that far
@bon chon This was a long time ago (back in like 2006-2007), the members of DBSK were not permanent, if one member became less popular they would be rotated out and a SM trainee will join as a new member. By adding a new member, that idol can become popular faster and with less prep/money than if a new group was made, that was SM’s strategy. Anyway, JJ had a DUI ticket during rising sun period and he seriously injured his leg as well so there were many rumors about how he was going to be kicked out (plus at that time, he didn’t make a lot appearances in broadcast due to his leg and the punishment from SM). I know that YC made this vague statement during a music program and he was tearing up so fans were worried if he was going to leave the group.
Because of that, many Cassies protested and SM abandoned the rotation idea.
@Really? and @bon chon In addition to EmmaJYJ’s answer… Also, in early 2005 SME were going to rotate one member off, it’s pretty certain it was Yoochun. & SME was also thinking of rotating Junsu off and sending him to China as a solo act. These were the translated news I read on a blog from 2005, so I don’t know if it’s all facts, but it’s the news that spread to English-language fandom in 2005.
Hmmm. It is interesting to notice that all the members SME considered rotating off at some point in the past happened to be JJ, YC, and JS…
@bon chon read my answer to @really? please^_^
@sakana17 not to be mean but i think it was cause they were the only ones at that time that could have a solo career Min was young and still couldn’t master his voice and Yunho voice was too standard to make it alone.If you think about it even nowdays if JYJ wanted to go solo,apart from the craziness and suicides that would come to the kfandom,from a musical point of view they have more chances in success than HoMin,Junsu and Jae have a wide repertoire of singing skills and styles Chun also can easely master both high and low notes and his husky voice is unique,but HoMin…Min has more chances if he stiks with high notes songs as he yet didn’t master low keys for ballad songs(see How Can I)and Yunho singing skills are nothing special to be a solo singer he has more chances of sucess if he acts(if his skill have improved since HTTG)or as a choreographer.
I feel sad that this had to come to this and I am SURE this decision was hard for them but SM/HM had this coming since they started with the TVXQ Act 2 Crap! And HM were very stupid to think that by just being with SM they were the best! YES SM train them and YES they were able to Perform because of them BUT YOUR FANS MADE YOU FAMOUS NOT SM IF YOU DON’T HAVE YOUR FANS YOU DON’T HAVE NOTHING! and that is why JYJ are not afraid! Because they KNOW that their FANS WILL NEVER LET THEM DOWN! I still wish HM good luck in their careers! JYJ FIGHTING!!!:)
I’m crying reading this news and all comments above. Just before today, I would definitely go Yay out loud, but I’ve been watching DBSK_5 videos, I’m just feeling funny though I’m JYJ bias since the beginning. While watching, I’ve thought where the old Yunho and Changmin go, don’t they even think back to the old happy time?! Yes, I can’t hate them, I just don’t like them more and more, esp after the interviews. Their decision and SM’s actions have costed them a lot as fans are important to artists. But it was their choice to stay, so they deserve and expect all these to happen. I somehow see that there won’t be DBSK_5 anymore or at least a the mean time though I want those 2 to get out and unite with JYJ, by then we fans can forgive them and welcome them into the big family. But I won’t wait, if it happens it will, if not, I’m much much happy as a JYJ fan and I will always support JYJ. I’m the type who get attached to someone will go with that one to the end.
JYJ, WE LOVE YOU SO MUCH!
A+ exactly how I am feeling.
neh….. me too… i downloaded dbsk5 video just now…..
@dinda: I have loads, and I don’t even know how many I have downloaded. At least, it’s fun watching the old time.
I understand where you’re coming from coz I can’t bring myself to hate HM either.
Watching their past vids makes me feel worse and I don’t understand why they don’t have the belief that fans will support them even without SM. I think some part of them lack the confident in their own ability.
I wish them well but I can’t get over the fact they are using the name TVXQ.
To me, it will always belong to 5.
Not to mention the recent interview and such coming out from them.
The more I see the less I like them. So I just avoid watching.
What you said… exactly what I’ve been feeling… Though I do watch some old videos now and then and it doesn’t make me too sad. The past can’t be erased. The past was real, too. It’s sad that it ended, but everything ends eventually. There are just too many good moments from their past as 5 that I will always cherish.
I’ve been shaking and crying since I read the news. As most you already know, DNBN is arguably one of the most, if not the most influential TVXQ fan site out there. They took A LOT of time and consideration before making this decision, so I hope international fans won’t simply think that Korean fans are “abandoning” Homin or they are being biased. It didn’t come down to “oh I like x more than y, so I’ll support x.” No. Just no.
I assure you that it was much, much more than that.
And to all those Homin fans who say that losing DNBN is nothing… hah…
When there was news of rotating members a couple of years ago, sites like DNBN were able to lobby against the decision. I hope Yunho fans especially don’t forget what these same “biased” fans did for him back then.
These sites aren’t just places where fans come together to “spazz.” They are amazingly well organized social networks that make up the core of the fandom. They are their own demographic and have superior purchasing power compared to the rest of the general public. I don’t know what on earth SM, Homin and overzealous Hotel fans are thinking.. but attacking JYJ means you’re also attacking this solid, supportive community.. and thus, you’re effectively throwing away Homin’s career.
I know there are still some TVXQ5 fans here and that this news may be upsetting to hear, but it’s only going to get tougher from here on out. I just hope that international fans especially be more objective in understanding what’s coming out of Korea. If you can, read news that are *directly* translated from Korea. And be aware of your sources, because to be honest even things from Bigeast are not up to date.. They’re more lost and disconnected from the main fandom than people realize.. And there are even Korean fans who are intentionally spreading false rumors to confuse foreign fans.. so be careful of what you read and who you read it from. If in doubt, ask for a direct source and have several Koreans translate it for you!
tl;dr
1) DNBN made a rational decision.
2) Homin fans – both Korean *and* foreign – stop destroying your own fandom. It’s not doing any good for Homin at all. Being bitter at JYJ won’t give those two any success. And trust me, they need a lot of *positive* support if they even want to make it right now.
3) SM, is this how you’re protecting the TVXQ brand??
Thank you for your comment. My korean is rusty but having read their post, they really took a long time and thought through as much as humanely possible before coming to this decision.
I hope international fans realize why they made this decision and I hope ‘hotel’ fans finally realize what they are doing and stop spreading those awful rumors.
I also hope SM finally realize that TVXQ is made of 5 not 2.
Yes, I don’t think they are biased either like you said. Anyone can see sense and make rational decisions, except for antis and those kinds of hateful supporters. So JYJfamily will grow bigger and bigger soon and I can’t wait for that SoMean to get defeated.
thank you for information! I understand that not easy decision for all members!! but JYJ only have us.
i bet the admins were crying while typing all those words. I bet the members were all crying. I remember the day i decide to choose side, i cried as well coz it hurt so much to leave HoMin.
me too.. when i decide to not call myself cassie anymore.. (pressure from OT5) I was cried…decide to forget HM.. decide to just support JYJ.. hell it’s HARD.. seriously.. that is why i hate OT 5 who act high and mighty and said how low our faith ><
me too. I’m a translator at a forum in my country, I always translate/ post news/ pics about DBSK-all 5, even my ID has the word *cass*…then when I decided to leave HM, dam it! I cried day by day. I wanted to slap my cheek, I was scared, really…my heart was broken [now it is still…]. I called myself “traitor”. My cassie’s life last almost 5 years. Whenever I watch their old shows/perfs/etc, I laugh, and then I realize what is going on now,…It is just…Where are our old-Yunho-and-Changmin? I love them but I can not support them, what kind of love is that?
I was crying whilst reading your comments. Being a TVXQ5 fan myself. I realised it isn’t easy to choose sides. I love all 5 members but under such circumstances u really have no choice but to make a decision based on the truth being told by both JYJ & SM/HM. I have to say DNBN is brave enough to decide in the end to support JYJ & I know their intention is to get all cassies (Kor/Intl) to be united once again & to make known to SME of what they have done to degrade the name of TVXQ.
Thank you for your comment. You’ve said everything I want to say.
Wow
so they made it official now
Since I dont understand korean so cant really know the details up there, but i can guess its similar to what was posted for Akadong cafe
I really just hope some ppl realize that this is a well thought-out, long decision-making process to come to this, with the consent of majority of the ppl involved [registered members] and not a decision made on a whim by only few ppl. Only then that they realize the real weight of these decisions. So all the righteous fans who say “if you dont support all 5 then you are not true fan” can back off. We do think carefully before making our decision, so you have no right to judge since you dont know what we’ve been through. There is a reason for everything
And also, not support doesnt equal dislike or hate. so just because some fans dont support a certain artist means they will become anti. They will just become indifferent ~ so the other side better not use this as an excuse to launch attack
Really, just support who you want to support, and leave others alone….why bother spreading hate. isnt it such a waste of your time and effort?
sorry I ran into some hate-bashing comments today, and just feel so tired
I try to ignore those hateful comments. I don’t know how they can post such hateful comments–they should think about karma.
sorry for a question, what is Karma??ppl or somthing??
@anva i don’t know how to explain this clearly…karma basically means that your actions can basically affect your life in good or bad ways. like if u do bad things, bad things will happen to you and if u do good things, then good things will happen to you. alot of people would describe it as “what goes around, comes around”. do you understand what im trying to say?
thank you so much for explain it meaning!
and i read 1 of tweet they said ” she ( Karma is maybe a name of someone) follow jj again( look like bad sign) that why i lillte confuse if it have other mean!! thank you again!!
I agree
thats the one thing I believe in. SM should be really really scared….karma will come
You know whats really funny? an anti once said “JYJ is getting their karma now for being moneywhore. thats why nothing is going right for them” around the time of US visa prob and the destroyed Dome roof…
And All I want to say now is “Dont speak too soon…we’ll see who’s getting the karma!!!”
honestly, im not really happy or having mixed feeling about this..
yunho and changmin were the people whom i love with all my heart once though im not sure if my feeling exactly the same towards them now
i really hope they will find their own happiness
i am so sorry to homin because if this drama continues, i definitely have to choose JYJ.
because im not blind to see and not dumb to think what’s right and what’s wrong
“im not blind to see and not dumb to think what’s right and what’s wrong”
BRAVO!
A++++
“…I’m not blind to see and not dumb to think what’s right and what’s wrong…”
Love your quote. That’s going on a shirt w/ JYJ pic on it!!!
XD agreed!!! i can’t see how ppl can support SME and say good stuff about them without throwing up *_*
it’s so obvious that there is something wrong with the company…
Please, can anyone here translate or summarize DNBN’s announcement ? My korean is too weak for me to understand what they wrote (and I’m sure I’m not the only one who need a translation XD) Thanks in advance ^^
Picking sides was bound to happen. The JYJ side should just focus on supporting JYJ and the Homin side should just focus on supporting HM. It’s actually a very simple concept. Antis need to gtfo with the rumors and shit.
holyyy crappp.
i cant believe im here after 6 years.
but ppl are right. its time to move on.
it hurts but i dont think i could handle anymore of the two’s BS. i have been the most faithful cassie out there.
but sometimes its just too much.
are you new on this site? So you were an old OT5 fan, right? JYJfamily is the warmest place for anyone who love JYJ to join.
im new 🙂
i have always been a cassiopeia. ot5 dbsk5 or whatevr.
its just that, these days its so hard to find a place thats not brimming with hatred. thats why im so thankful for this site :))))
Yes, this place is so cool. Ask people who move on to come to this site as well.
can i say welcome when i am a new fan,hehehe! still..welcome,bb!
I hope international site realize the reality now. Its about time and thank god this happen now.
This is a bitter decision. in this situation we need to choose what we believe in. the rest of us here we believe in JYJ so we follow him. those trust actually comes after many thoughts and analyzing. Just like someone here commented before mostly due to the actions by SME and HoMin themselves. they bring this upon themselves. They never listen, they’re stubborn and conservative. With such view over Cassiopeia its a given we will left them. What hurt the most they choose to gather more new fans rather than keeping all the hearts and soul that been following TVXQ since the time they debut…that’s 7years for you. JYJ might leave the name but JYJ definitely carry the soul and spirit of TVXQ with them.
“What hurt the most they choose to gather more new fans rather than keeping all the hearts and soul that been following TVXQ since the time they debut…that’s 7years for you.”
couldn’t be more agreeeeeeee
when HoMin change his stage name and exit from Sm, then I support it, while, for my part, let them go to hell.
Sorry!!!
Monica ^^ I’m here ^^ sabes ya no entro al de honduras UU tu sabes porque UU
hola mercedes gusto en verte por aquí, yo todavía entre allá para ver las tarugadas que escriben, pero ya no comento nada.
Saludos.
Not necesary to be that rude. We are JYJ´s lovers , we are NOT HoMin haters.
Please!
i´m very sorry myjj, I did not want to be rude, because of my bad English I found no other word more in line, I wanted to say that in Spanish means that will be flying to the wind better, not hatred or anything like that, they belong to DBSK as my beloved children JYJ.
Yupz, welcome to the warmfull family JYJ ‘s fans family,
just protect what you choose and leave other alone, don’t waste your time to spread hate to another side, and for some OT5 fans don’t judge people who choose side is betrayer, it is their decision, so stop being delusional cuz that will make your heart more hurt
I don’t know the fan sites since I just love the music and don’t usually become involved in all the fanfare so please forgive my ignorance. Does the letters DNBN stand for something specific or is that the official name? Just curious.
It’s the acronym for the official Korean name of the website. (D)ong (N)ae (B)ang (N)ae.
Thank you.
DNBN, thank you for this decision. I will stand behind you.
In my heart, DBSK is always 5. It is never 3 or 2.
Thank you JYJ for understanding the meaning of the name DBSK for us. I will always stand by you guys until you don’t need me anymore.
I am sorry Homin, but love alone does not really heal the feeling of being betrayed. At least, not now. I will never say bad things about you two, but we will part ways here.
A+++++
Nicely said.
Well said.
You said it best.
BAZZINGA!!guess they got pissed at TVXQact2/TheReturnOfTheTwoKings/KYHD/2°CassTerm/The3FingersThrow/SMartistsBashingJYJ/TheInterviews/SingingTVXQsongsWithOtherPeople/HoMinKeepingTheir MouthsShutAboutSMcockblokingJYJ/YunhoIgnoringBigEastShoutOfJaeBdy……
……………………WHAT TOOK THEM SO LONG?!?!
*Opens a bottle of Vodka and awaits the myhem*-*
A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++!!!!!!!!!!!!! I THINK I LOVE YOU!!!???
lol ikr.
LOL at you with your Bazzinga!
There’s so much I want to say about fans who support both sides. They have to understand what it MEANS to support both and how supporting both is actually doing a disservice sadly.
DNBN I respect them for understanding the reality of this situation. I wish I can read their reasons (waiting for English translation).
I have my own personal reasons too for supporting JYJ.
Like honestly have you guys dealt with those algebraic mathematical equations where what you do to one side you have to do to the other and at the end of it all it looks like 0=0?
That’s what happens when a fan support both sides sadly. It’s the reality, you hinder JYJ by supporting Homin because through Homin you’re indirectly supporting SM who is hindering JYJ (and Homin when you put things in context and compare them to the future). It makes me really sad for Homin that they chose to be with the enemy. SM is the ENEMY, Homin sadly, sadly sadly decided to join the enemy so this battle to keep TVXQ together is lost. THE WAR isn’t though, just this battle is. The RE-AL-I-TY.
A+ I agree with this post. Last part is what has been on my mind forever. I tried to deny it until they release their new album. That’s when I realize they will never come back together and I made decision then. I am thankful to them giving me enough time to prepare for this otherwise it’d be really hurtful.
^^ *moving from cassiopeia to bigeast* mature zone
umm sorry but arent bigeast worse? I mean they seldom got the right news..tho’ I admire their huge amount of support and I dont mean this badly bcause I know the language barrier is big
….ummm…not to be mean BUT isn’t the Admin of JYJ biggest anti fan-club a BIGEAST!!?? I hope you have fun in the “mature zone” tho! XD
i’m happy with this news….its good if jyj can have all cassies support…(cause the other 2 have their SM friends)
I am happy for this news! I guess I should finally let go of DBSK_5 too. I mean I have always been JYJ-biased, but I had wanted Homin to succeed too because once upon a time they were in my heart. That’s in the past though and so is the DBSK that I loved. I don’t think I’ll visit DBSK_5 sites anymore. JYJ3 will be my home now 🙂
*Hug*
From what I know, JYJ biggest anti-fan club was made by some bigeast , right?
I don’t know but I think K-cass understand about the situation better than every fan in this world , so I believe them.
Nope the anti- fan cafe was made by a Korean fan claiming to be a JJ fan who was a BigEast.
They found out that she actually goes to a Korean university and is anti JYJ
I am not really happy with this news…
Of course I really glad they are fully support JYJ >< JYJ also fans…
I also hope I-cassie not bash any dnbn's decision or downgrading them as not real cassie or something.. what is "real cassie" anyway?? If u still support 5 but u always harsh critique for another side, is it make u are a "real cassie"? And cassie always say, "u are not cassie if u are not support all 5." oohh please, later, there would be a "new" cassie, they wouldn't know about JYJ, they just love 2 members, and ot5 don't dare u guys said, they are not cassie, because they ARE rightfully and legally..And U guys make it happen..
why my comment being cut @.@ i said..
I am not really happy with this news…
Of course I really glad they are fully support JYJ >< aahhh please don't forget ur fans…
I do love TVXQ.. I do love be cassiopeia.. I really do.. I am not taking side… I am just try to be honest to myself. . I am refused to become blind fans who support something that my heart and logic hard to understand. I am not a blind fan.
oh god.. why my comment being cut again @.@ I just give up..basically..
i just wanna say.. i once love homin and cared about them.. HM please open ur eyes.. Look at ur fans.. Look and understand them.. it’s not about keep TVXQ’s alive.. Look at ur real brother.. look at ur fans.. >< please HM…
Some of you are too much , really. The hate will create only more hate! Stop writing those comments bashing HoMin!
This is place for JYJ´s lovers! Please do not turn yourselves into HoMin haters.
We need peace! We must be a good family a good JYJ´s family
no more hate, I beg you!
I honestly don’t see any outright bashing.
I see disappointment.
Go on AKP and read some of the anti comments there, THAT is bashing.
calm down and relax! most of fans in here not bash HM, most of them fans a long time, they just said why they move on relate with artical! ya.. we will speart JYJ love, I dont like bashing too, not hater!
@my JJ *hug* dont sad,ok!! we are JYJ family!
I AM SOORY FOR THIS! But if “Bashing” and “Hating” Homin stands for POINTING OUT HOW THEY ARE SIDING WITH SM AND IGNORING THEIR FANS! THEN YES I AM BASHING THEM! This is a JYJ site yes but if you read more deeply into those comments you would see THAT WE ARE NOT BASHING OR HATING THEM! WE ARE JUST BENDING OUR DISAPPOINTMENT ON THEIR CHOICES! Please don’t take this the bad way but if you don’t like the comments don’t read them?? Sorry once again! 🙂
oh dear. i just said this on my first post:
This is one of the VERY FEW places where its just almost love and maybe a tiny bit of negativity recently.
I see no outright bashig or hate.
(And trust me, i have been holding off for 2 years and is finally taking a side.)
This is heaven on fandomhellthatscalledcassiopeia.
You are right… this is truly one of the few places with no bashing… I’ve seen maybe a couple of threads where it got harsh but just a few posts, and then people said cool down and it did… I honestly haven’t seen outright hatred this thread, 1 or 2 harsh comments & people said don’t bring it here…
Expressing disappointment isn’t bashing. I have a soft spot for HoMin, I can’t help it. I loved them as 5, I haven’t forgotten them. But HM staying with SM and what they’re doing & saying now… I am disappointed. And it’s not even, now, because I miss DBSK5 and want them together. It’s because I just don’t believe SM is a happy place that will keep treating HM well, and I can’t see how SM alienating so much of Cassiopeia can be good for HM. SM thinks only what’s good for SM. Not what’s good for HoMin, and that makes me truly very sad.
It’s like if you watch your brother you love very much agree to live in a nice house that looks really comfortable — until you realize there are bars on all the windows and the doors are all locked. He’s happy inside, but from the outside, you just miss him and wish he could find his way out into freedom again. That’s how I feel watching HoMin now, and I don’t think being sad for them is bashing them.
“i have been holding off for 2 years and is finally taking a side”
Me too.
I have to say for those that is DBSK5 fans, this place is kind of tough. People here are objective, blunt, honest, straight forward and definitely vocal. If you have a weak heart coz there’s still soft sport for HoMin some of the comments here are perceive as bashing etc. Honestly we are vocal but we never submit to hatred to go as far as bash HoMin without solid reason, if there are reason often we just express anger and dissatisfaction. And people like me usually more mad at the crazy HoMin stans. people here are pro-JYJ and ignorance of HoMin. Hate is not the word, we just being ignorant of them
i feel the same..this is the only place for me to express my feeling for jyj and sometimes said my disappoinment and a little bit anger towards HM…
You’re right. I sometimes see fans commenting not to bash Homin here but I can’t see bashing words. So I wonder what they read into these comments to assume we are bashing Homin.
Well im happy and sad.
I love DBSK. But than they split to two. I became a JYJ fan because my top 3 biased are there and well I love theoir music that they produce and I love, support,respect what their fighting for.
But HoMin I well always love you, I will! And I will always respect your decision BUT I can’t support you when your under SM (i seriously have some big issues with that company). I well wait for the day you guys reunite.
HoMin I just wanna say goodluck with everything. ❤
Please continue to vote for our JYJ ,We’re still have few days left ,they need more vote from us…Please,hurry.
http://shortyawards.com/mjjeje
http://shortyawards.com/6002theMicky
http://shortyawards.com/0101xiahtic
please go on twitter and ask @jyjlove1111 to spread word about Junsu’s nomination in the music category. Jae is already number 1 in celeb, Chun is a close 2nd(more votes for him too!) in entertainment, but Junsu is only 4th in music. We really gotta rally more votes for Yoosu! go go go 🙂
I’m just disappointed with how SM doings is slowly but surely bringing the name TVXQ/Tohoshinki down.
Easy for people to say “it’s only a name” but all 5 fight tears and blood for this name.
JCS will also feel the pain in their heart to see the downfall of it.
I feel really sad.
Esp when others stand on stage and sing “our” song during smtown.
I hope they leave “our” songs alone, like Proud, LITI, Bolero and so on.
Don’t kill our songs pls!!!
Which is why I rather see HM coming out with their own name than use TVXQ. They then will not be standing under the shadow of the past.
And TVXQ/Tohoshinki will remain the most beautiful memory.
sad and that’s the truth. I cx believe they sings all those memorable THSK and DBSK song with other artist. They just insult us fans. I cx help but feel they keep stomping on our heart over and over again. Why cant they understand that the most hurtful action they ever made? Why cant the see that how much we treasure the songs that they sing together? Its so painful to listen too. I listen to the fancams, I cried coz they, HoMin looks like they dont understand that all those songs of DBSK is not just a song to sing but songs that have spirit and emotions as well as memories of the fandom? Their ignorance and their failure to understand all these sentiments what throw me off the most.
I felt exactky de same watching de fancam: furious, dissapointed. Especially with sumbody 2 luv, i wondered myself since when JYJ became the background vocalists in dat song
@kk2207 facepalm at their stupidity…but did BE OK with it? If it was me I will stand up, leave my seat, bow at them and left the venue.
When JCS left, they took away the ‘heart and soul’.
i also cried when watched somebody to love performance…
I once promise myself to watch their concert in Japan just to swing towel and jump in somebody to love song…
That song is not difficult song.. not hit song but to me it’s song where the fans and member become one.. a very precious song.. T____T
And used JYJ’s voice as bg.. it’s not make it right at all.. after sm doing.. after HM said those thing… I can’t comprehend why HM doing this anymore… sure i can’t hate them.. but I am hurt now.. i dun know.. it’s hurt so much.. i hope it will heal…someday..
SME can have the royalties of these songs but not the right to stomping on our feelings and memories…
I was hurt by BigEast more than Homin. They just sucked it up and cheered even though three of the guys were missing.
And I remembered when JJ, our sweetheart, was in America and he tweeted late in the night about feeling sad while listening to Toki wo Tometo and he got bashed from BigEast even for that statement.
So…..basically one side is allowed to sing the songs on stage but the other side is not even allowed to speak of once having sung the songs TT__TT
I hate double standards the most in this fandom…
yeah, that annoys me to no end. JYJ have the decency to NOT touch DBSK songs, why can’t HM do so as well?
The thing that killed me was that they used JYJ’s voices in the background! If you supposedly “don’t need JYJ” THEN WHY ARE YOU USING THEIR VOICES?
It’s even more obvious that the outward appearance SM is putting up is a farce.
Using JYJ’s voices only proved that they need them.
that’s what makes me cried even harder. It was so stupid, degrading, embarrassing and humiliating of all. What are HoMin doing? Make a fool out of themselves more than they already are?
Actually JYJ aren’t allowed–legally–to sing TVXQ songs, even the ones they wrote. SME owns all the rights to them.
But I can’t believe that they still used the old tracks! That’s tacky, SME.
It’s not a matter of whether you are allow or not allow to use it. It’s just simple respect.
SM lack that obviously.
Without JYJ voices ,those songs have no soul in it,nobody can sing like them,that’s the reason,HOMIN STILL NEEDS JYJ ‘S VOICE IN THE BACKGROUND….This is the slap in SM face..
@ shadow I agree. I don’t think JYJ would sing any of the songs meant for the five of them even if they could. They might(should!) take back “Colors” and “Shelter”, “Xiahtic” and maybe even “Love Bye Love” since Yoochun was the only one to perform that live. But hell, when Jaejoong and Yoochun sang “Begin” as a duet it… There’s no way they would.
9mmleftshinki,
my same thoughts when I watched those clips at SMTown in Japan, HoMin sang the TVXQ5 songs with JYJ’s backup, it’s not only disrecpectful and ignorant towards JYJ after what HoMin & SME said about them on interviews, but I felt that embarassing moment as well, when they took out the blanket, scream and started to jumped like in the old days, as nothing has happened, I really don’t know what are HoMin thinking?
Yea, that’s precisely how I felt too while watching HOMIN using TVXQ name performing on Japan stage few days back. It feels odd watching them, like the soul of TVXQ is missing without the other 3 awesome boys. The stage seems empty even though they have backup dancers and their SM family with them. Just so pathetic I feel. Sigh… Though I love HOMIN, my heart goes with JYJ, and I can only wish them all the best, if they continue to stay with SM.
Maybe cause 2 is a couple 3’s a crowd. It’s not even about how many ppl on the stage, it’s the TVXQ ‘spirit’. I remember Changmin mentioned how the ‘personalities’ of the group made him get overlooked. It was in one of those translated ‘interviews’. Well, it’s not their fault you where overlooked, where’s your ‘spirit’ and ‘personality’ now?
I dont know but somehow, the feeling that comes out from that camp contains so much negativity.
It’s in so much contrast to what JCS and their friends and family ooze –> positivity.
@Shhh I wonder who put that idea in Changmin’s head. Overlooked, my ass! ARG! Another reason to hate that company!
I hate SME so much, it’s like there’s something almost demonic about that company imo.
@ Eliza I KNOW RIGHT. SM all in their ears…
Changmin was not overlooked, with that live voice he has.
@thirtythirteen it will “FAIL” BIG TIME no pun or sarcasism intended that song is full of jaesu vocals jae owns almost 50% of that song vocally and not to mentions JYJ combo and junsus solo bits cant be replaced by anyone vocally + and this goes for most of their ballads heck all their songs JYJ can never be replaced their vocals are irreplcable (and just my opinions they are vocally superior and are the heart to the ballads and this is seen most especially in songs like love in the ice, doushite + tonight..etc) and im not bashing homin here they are talented too but im a JYJ bias (this was cemented + sealed after that bloody interview all the lil love and respect i had for the duo disappeared) and will be FOREVER and like the rest above im really disappointed in the duo but wish them luck and hope they have no regrets in the decisions they made because like what every1 is metioning we fans are here to support no matter what cause they have earned our respect through and through
lols my comment was for the comment below sorry 🙂
I’m hurt about it and find it offensive, but I can accept that they would be able to sing old TVXQ/Tohoshinki songs because SME/Avex own the rights for them.
But if they ever touch Wasurenaide, Kiss the Baby Sky, or any song Jaejoong/Yoochun/Junsu composed, all the acceptance and respect I have would probably go down the drain.
I’m right there with you. That’s the one thing that might actually create an anti out of me.
funny thing is, I almost EXPECT to see them do it. If they don’t touch those songs I’d be shocked tbh.
I wonder if they’ll ever try Love in the Ice.
OMG! If that were to EVER HAPPEN I think I would really GO CRAZY WITH RAGE!!!! I Mean IF that happened I WOULD NEVER FORGIVE THEM!! TTTTT_TTTTT!!
i know exactly how u feel. i’m not a homin fan anymore but i choose not to bash or insult them. instead, i just avoid any news about them, any of their shows, as well as their performances. i respect their decisions because they’re grown men but i will not be ok with them singing songs made by any of the members of JYJ…that really would not be cool at all.
@thirtythreeten It will a failed. No one can bring the EPIC JAESU combo in LITE.
I’ll have a heart attack if they ‘re gonna sing “PROUD” ,”BOLERO”; or “STAND BY YOU”..
@ thirtythreeten ,I think LOVE IN THE ICE is the song CM wrote the KOREAN lyrics ,he was not acomposer ,but he try to translate from the org. song.So,I’m worry they’re gonna sing it someday ,(and do you remember ugly HEECHUL already sing a little bit from this song in one of SM MUSIC CONCERT…)
@thirtythirteen it will “FAIL” BIG TIME no pun or sarcasism intended that song is full of jaesu vocals jae owns almost 50% of that song vocally and not to mentions JYJ combo and junsus solo bits cant be replaced by anyone vocally + and this goes for most of their ballads heck all their songs JYJ can never be replaced their vocals are irreplcable (and just my opinions they are vocally superior and are the heart to the ballads and this is seen most especially in songs like love in the ice, doushite + tonight..etc) and im not bashing homin here they are talented too but im a JYJ bias (this was cemented + sealed after that bloody interview all the lil love and respect i had for the duo disappeared) and will be FOREVER and like the rest above im really disappointed in the duo but wish them luck and hope they have no regrets in the decisions they made because like what every1 is metioning we fans are here to support no matter what cause they have earned our respect through and through
@thirtythreeten no way!!!!Love on ice requires strong vocals..they’ll just ruin the song if they’ll sing it..
Yeah, that would push me over the edge. I… don’t even want to consider that it would happen! I wanted to think Avex wouldn’t be as arrogant as SME about it, but Somebody to Love at SM Town… not a good sign. I just hope that SME/Avex are deciding that their new TVXQ needs more new material than old, and doesn’t touch JYJ-composed songs.
that will be the last straw that breaks my back. like seriously. i still have a little bit faith left in them so i really hope they don’t sing them. and placing all bias aside, yes, JYJ are far more superior when it comes to vocals. i don’t want this to happen but just a scenario, if jyj does sing the old tvxq5 songs, they can actually pull it off despite being 3 but if tvxq2 tries singing the old ballads, i don’t think it will sound that great.
this is just my opinion though. hope i didn’t offend anyone.
I was beyond furius when i watched the fancams…i know that because of that BS contract SM OWNS all TVXQ songs still to HoMin to agree with for me it just proves that they are not the boys i used to love and makes my decision to boycott their album even more legit!!TVXQ was a legend in Asia.
But now they are at level of all other boy bands…when they were still five when they had to pre-record a performance they would still sing live but now HoMin lypsinc(watch M!Countdown),i used to love all their Jap releases cause they were different than the k-one and more acapella but now they release the SAME album in different language just like any standard Kstar and not like the Jpop star they used to be and what about the fact that they are degrading TVXQ names by given other SM artists the credit of their sucess??!!
I sers hope that after all the crap that happened at SMtown BigEast will wake up too and start taking sides,cause i can’t believe that real fans are okey with shinee(no offense intended)singing JYJ parts!
And when they were TVXQ5 nobody dared to question their winning on music programms but nowdays everybody does and they even comment about the fact that they are winning cause SM is paying and cause they are older idols not cause they deserve it and you can’t even blame them cause based on the k-sales they could win once not 2 on a row.
Thanks to the stupid choices they are making Cassiopeia is being moked by younger fandoms.Where are the good times when artists had to move their comeback date if they new that TVXQ were coming back at the same time??!!??
i totally agree with you i was so not ok with the other sm artist (no offense) singing their parts that ticked me off to the T when i heard about it i was like wheres the RESPECT for all the hard work they put TOGETHER to make and sing those songs and not to mention it was not only them but JYJ also put sweat and tears into those songs 😦
good job dnbn. Homin, i have decided to let you gooooooo. Good luck and hope all your sm buddies will keep you warm’@ night.
my thoughts exactly and my decision came after that interview and the comments made(intended or not) by the duo towards JYJ i mean they should have enough respect for the years they have been together and atleast and to see some of the sm artists reply back via social networking sites about what happened to friendship + family i could say the same to them if their comradership was as strong as they depicted in their posts then they would have not made any comments and stayed a spectator in the lawsuit between JYJ and SM
Seungri won over DBSK on M!Countdown. People are complaining about DBSK lipsync I was like O.O really? I check the performance…yes they did lip sync… Okay they just come back from SMTown but still…people were partying and amuse Seungri knock out DBSK. It somehow pissed me off but then I realize its the new act but still im upset over it. Sigh!
I wonder what will happen if JYJ compete as well. If only they can perform….Oh my in my dream!
Where they suppose to lip sync or? smh.
in M!Countdown they lip Sync the KYHD….and apparently its not the first time. What happen? This is just…never happen before…
Seungri sing live though. and damn impressive at it. I like he’s single. He become so manly nowdays.
how coud they lipsynch
it certainly does not elevate the dbsk name
it makes them equal to any other idol group
and i do love seungri GD’S BEEN GETTING A lot OF EXPOSURE so its seungris turn
my faves from BB are gd and TOP
Sad.
Even MBLAQ sing Stay live. What make makes it even embarassing how Cassies are protecting them coz they tired, just got back from SMTown etc etc its so pathetic coz they kind of pathetic argument and defend i often see in SNSD video live performance OMG what is this. BB fans didnt utter a hate comment, they said classy they just said DBSK was lip sync and its the truth. AND GTOP and Seungri was so awesome with their comeback. You just cx overlook how amazing they are. Seriously SME give them good song and great MV, dont degrade them like this. Forever embarrass ~~~
@Juno You like GTOP too? Omg why did we had so much in common LOL
@9mmleftshinki
I actually like SNSD and I noticed that they sing live a majority of the time. I hope JYJ3 is more accepting of the girls here since the people on this blog are really mature/sweet. (Sorry for derailing the conversation, though. LOL.)
Looks like BB is going to pawn them this year i really love BB
BUT i feel sad that a lot of younger fans probably wont understand the worth of “dbsk” the name. Even i dont to some extent because i wasnt there from the beginning . to the fans that were there for 7 years it must feel like a slap in the face.
Still this is not DBSK it is maknae vs maknnae + 1 (and he knows nothing)
How is m countdown calculated?
BB already did. If you compare GTOP comeback with HoMin comeback…sigh i cx even…..
I’m not a BB fan by any stretch of the imagination(not my style of music), but at this point I want BB to blow HM out of the water.
Sounds bad, but that’s what I think.
yepyep, 9mmleftshinki. whenever we hear DBSK name, we sit up and even though our lovely 3 boys aren’t there anymore, that name DBSK still mean so much to us. It pains us to see it go down a level. But what to do, that name has been hijacked!
I’ve done that quite a few times. It hurts when I realize that when they say DBSK they mean homin now.
I used to be SO excited to hear about what DBSK was up to, and I used to write the name “DBSK” all over my notebooks. It hurts, it hurts a lot. I did quite a bit of crying over it.
yea bmw81187, i know what you mean. I still watch the old videos of the authentic DBSK everyday on my computer. Though my wish to see them back together is slowly diminishing, I will let the wound heal. Just wanna see JYJ do well in everything they put their hard work into. They need to lay a strong foundation for themselves before they serve army and before they have their own families.
I can’t watch the vids. They only depress me more. 😦
@ bmw81187
“I used to be SO excited to hear about what DBSK was up to, and I used to write the name “DBSK” all over my notebooks. ”
I’ve done that too i bet all cassies did ^^ one good memories..but i don’t do that anymore not because i don’t want to but it’s just the feeling…it’s not the same..too sad because i love doodliingg~~~
Oh dear, HM.
Is this the way to ‘protect’ the name TVXQ?
I can’t bear to see this happening.
My favourite group.
This just breaks my heart.
This isn’t the way to protect the name. The way you protect a name is to preserve it’s dignity and prestige.
The best way to do that would have been to let “mirotic” be the last album for DBSK and let the name rest at it’s peak.
*sighs*
Now I wish JYJ had used DBSK name instead. There would have been no stance on the name.
*Sorry Homin, if you hadn’t been ready to come back, you shouldn’t have had. If you were, please live up with that name, don’t let your SM family destroy the respectful name. If you can’t do it, you weren’t worth our love for you once*
I wish Homin do well for now… But I wish they didn’t comeback with the name TVXQ…
It’s not just a name back then…
But it is now…
If Homin didn’t make a comeback with the name TVXQ, the TVXQ we know would always be the old shining, strong TVXQ… Our gods from the east…
Unlike now…
I’m sorry Homin… But it hurts to see you perform using TVXQ name under SM… 😦
Though I’m relieved and happy, I really feel bad for HoMin. Maybe because of the whole KARA thing. I sometimes feel as though they regret staying. There actions do speak louder than their words. Their anger and bitterness towards JYJ is only going to get bigger unless they meet and talk it out. Let’s not blame them for staying because it could have been the parents idea.
Omg I’m listening to acapella’s of them…:(
Oh no you did NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT.
Omg. (TEARRRRS).
This is what it would sound like if JYJ could sing THSK songs.
yes i watched this on Youtube some time back and i just couldn’t finish listening to the whole song 😦 it’s just not the same without the 5 voices
I felt the same way up until just a couple of months ago. Now, I love it. I think of it as their good-bye.
They did Colors right after and they were both just wrecks, but the way they looked at each other and supported each other was wonderful.
I LOVE IT ><
it's differnt with thsk 5 sing.. but i love it..
it's warm…
they were born to sing this song 🙂
Eliza, was JJ tearing at 5:08?
They sang superbly well..
I thought this song belongs to SME?
Was it written by JJ?
Sorry so many questions. Love them so much.
Jaejoong tended to tear up during this song at the best of times, so it wouldn’t surprise me. (He did wipe his eyes at the end of Colors) It’s a THSK song, Avex has the licence to all of those. Jaejoong and Yoochun were still under contract as THSK but promoting “Colors”, the duet the wrote together, when they did this show in Nov 09.
Begin was written by a Japanese composer. Beautiful song, though.
Songs JYJ composed under SME/Avex (SME/Avex currently have all the rights to these songs):
Korean:
Don’t Cry My Lover (music by Jaejoong)
Love Bye Love (music & lyrics by Yoochun)
(there are some more Korean songs they wrote… I know there’s at least one more by JJ… but I don’t have it in my iTunes ><)
Japanese:
Kiss shita mama sayonara (music by Jaejoong & Yoochun)
Rainy Night (music by Junsu)
Kiss the Baby Sky (music & lyrics by Yoochun)
Wasurenaide (music by Jaejoong & Young-hu Kim; lyrics by Jaejoong)
9095 (music by Jaejoong)
Shelter (music by Jaejoong & Junsu; lyrics by H.U.B. & Yoochun)
Colors ~Melody and Harmony~ (music by Jaejoong & Yoochun)
Xiahtic (music & lyrics by Junsu)
Intoxication (music & lyrics by Junsu)
i thinkk they are atleast allowed to sing the ajpanese songs
@ sakana17
You have one too many in your list!
Junsu has all the rights to “Intoxication”, Avex only has the Japanese licence and maybe just for the distribution. That’s why Junsu could perform it at the Levey concert in October. (I am learning so much about intellectual rights for music through this mess.)
@JUNO
Avex has the licence to the Japanese songs (they can make the money), but SME holds the rights to the songs (they decide the terms of how Avex can use the song). The licence might prevent anyone other than THSK from using the material. And even if it doesn’t, Avex would have to give permission.
If u add Su there will be more harmony at the harmonization part, and it’d be perfect! But, yes, the 5 harmonizing together was the best.
It was alright with me since they didn’t introduced themselves as THSK but just Jaechun, so they were just making a cover of that song. So the authenticity of the song Begin by THSK sound was preserved. It would be a big issue if they introduced themselves as THSK with just the two of them..(hmm just like the 2 there in SM). By the way, this song (Begin in secret code live in tokyo dome) where Yoochun played the piano, at each side was Jae and Junsu, made a TVXQ fan and Jaejoong biased…
just watch this video, JYJ at the center, what a beautiful memory!
“made me a TVXQ fan”
They were promoting as “Jaejoong and Yoochun of THSK” This was an official THSK activity under Avex, not a JYJ activity.
The version of “Begin” that still gets me the most is the one during the encore of the “Heart, Mind, and Soul” concert. Jaejoong’s eyes were shiny in that one, too.
@Eliza..yes, JYJ group was not born at that time…i was just pointing at their position, sometimes i’m thinking while watching their old videos (the 5 of them) maybe they (JYJ) are destined to be together because they were always “side by side” even in pictorials, this maybe the reason why i was always focused on these “3 handsome+beautiful voice guys” even if they were still 5.
Remember JYJ can sing solos so anyone of them can make the stage powerful as just singing along. So yes, it would be better/more perfect if there were 5 voices, but because we heard the 5 voices before we heard 2 or 3 voices. To me, This song was perfectly sung by the 2.
I think the reason this is an excellent version is that they didn’t try to sing it like there should be 5 voices. It was rearranged as a duet. Jj and Yoochun made it their song for that performance.
That is the problem with what SME is doing with TVXQ’s old stuff, they aren’t changing it to suit the new arrangement. They are being lazy. It’s pathetic.
OMG yes! Jae’s voice is so full of emotion!
I love the way they sang this song so emotional and the guitar made it more raw..it’s acoustic instead of the usual piano acompaniment and they modified the pace of the song a little and made it more up tempo, i guess..
they changed the arrangement and made it faster..it was actually good even without the harmonization in the background..
Its because Yoochun & Jaejoong are composers, artists so they know what to tweak to make things sound right… sadly, this isn’t the case for HoMin.
And YES I call them HoMin, they will never be DBSK, TVfXQ, THSK to me.
and missing the three ,nobody can come and sing “BOLERO” amazing like this…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62wv1Wd_HNk&feature=related
Minmin, my heart is aching watching this video. Sigh..
Yes ,it hurts and it makes me want to cry whenever I’m watching it…:(
I love this song.
unnie. TT no matter how many times I watch 4th concert at tokyo dome, esp BOLERO, I just can’t help to feel bitter and sad.. TT
They ‘ll destroy ” the brand DBSK ” completely if this continues. Although I ‘m a JYJ ‘s fan now, but that’s so sad to see DBSK becomes a memory.
Didnt you know that HM had to use CUE card of the song “somebody to love” in Korean to lipsynched in Japanese during SMtown concert. So it was like a big Karaoke and lip synched for HoMin then. They said it on twitter and had foto to prove
ok THATS IT
WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE???????????????????
They aren’t preserving a legacy they are mocking one
In the past weren’t all TVXQ concerts live performances? I thought SM should know that the Japanese generally don’t approve of lipsynching.
Tohoshinki Japanese concerts were all sung live. But I don’t think the TVXQ Korean/Asian tour concerts were all sung live; I think some of the dance songs were lipsynched. Most of it was sung live though. Please, if I’m wrong, someone correct me?
That is so sad about cue cards at SMTown. 😦
(mouth dropped).
say what?
what a shame!
LOL it was a karaoke party!
*already heard about it and raged on twitter.XD*
OMG!? This is just a bad dream! This can`t be happening for real!!! I feel sick to my stomach!! sigh~ I don’t even know what to think of them anymore! My “Gods” are gone!! and what remains of it is two mortals making mistakes by the second!!…..there is so much I can take!
yup….know about it…SIGH…..yunho changmin ah…what would your fans say or feel when they know u did that? == nothing much to say~~
Why did they need cue cards? Did they forget their Japanese? (Confused)
Maybe the cue cards are for SHINee? Didn’t they perform with HoMin?
Yea I agree with you anon. I’m more inclined to believe that it was for SHINee (unless pictures show HoMin reading off the signs). It’s kinda common knowledge within all fanbases that SM is just sending their artists to Japan with sadly minimal Japanese right now. And given that SHINee has to perform in Japanese and its a song that’s not even theirs…then they might have to use cue cards.
But even then, cue card usage in a ‘live’ concert? That’s just fail on so many levels…If they can’t sing the song properly then don’t sing it at all. It only shows how incapable they are.
LOL if it’s for shinee why bother using them == it’s a hassle…and i rather have them singing STL without SHINEE! TT that’s like replacing JYJ…..
even use the CUE CARD…..HoMin you can keep the name, you can keep the fanclub names, you can keep all those BS your company had put on you, you can choose whatever you wanna do with your life BUT PLEASE KEEP THE DIGNITY OF TOHOSHINKI. JUST PLEASE DONT STAIN IT. PLEASE. OMG PLEASE make them realize this sooner.
well said unnie. THE DIGNITY OF TOHOSHINKI.
AFAIK, Japanese do hate lipsync.
…………………0_0…………….
*drowns under bottle of vodka*-*
Who wanna watch “I HAVE NOTHING “& “W ” with me ?
THIS IS MY FAVE yet the most painful to watch. I was dumbfounded with the amazing live and emotion but when Junsu cried I cried with him. He was so sad and emotional. I cant watch it in the beginning coz I believe during that time the 3 of them might realize all the shit that would come crash on them just like we witness today.
I Have Nothing is the performance that proved to me that they could be JYJ. It gave me chills and the way they poured out their hearts into the song…it was amazing.
To be honest, this was the first performance that I didn’t even notice that something was missing.
agreed! Imagine they sing that song with more fluent and polished english….Gosh! I sincerely hope they one day can sing that song on Oprah.
lol but Oprah is retired from the show, man how I wish they try out for American Idols hehehe
really? OMG Im so out of the loop!
lol it’s okay, I only know this because they make it such a big deal that it will be her last season a while ago.
this was a breathtaking performance by the trio!
oh my gosh, they are amazing, Yoochun hit some pretty high notes there, and poor Junsu, omg sun, please don’t cry, someone hands him a kitty, and Jaejoong, your scream is very sexy….
Okay, so I don’t like how Homin sang some of the old songs when dbsk still five but, I don’t know if they have a choice which songs to sing during the concert, remember everything is decided by SM. Remember, we always say “let keep the faith”, so keep the faith people, someday, the five will be on stage again and together and no cue cards.
Hope this song will cheer everyone up, it’s one of my favorite.
W always makes gets me cry such a beautiful song.
crying right now…Junsu awhh.
Thanks for making me cry! This is too much. I’m going to fly to Korea to find HoMin and make them realize that JYJ loves them and still does. If we’re hurting this much, HoMins hurting 100x more. SM is driving more and more ppl away but they don’t care. They’d rather lose it all then give in to JYJ. It’s about pride now. SM, is it really worth it? If you care at all for these two, then you’ll see that it’s not. But if all you’re worried about is $ then I hope you get what you deserve!!! And JYJ, hang in there. We’ll protect you no matter what!
I need a hug.
i have no words 😦
*Hug* I am new ,very fan but you guys make me cry too! too bad and so touch!!!
this alwas gets to me and why i respect these 3 look at all the emotion that was poured into that song gosh i just wanna hug them and protect them from everything
I’m crying
(catches holy ghost)
They’re just…amazing.
OMG i remembre when i 1st saw this (ive proly seens this 1000000000+ times) and it gives me the chills im proud of our boys JYJ
EPIC LEGEND. FOREVER MY FAVORITE PIECE. JUST EPIC
I LOVE this song.
MICKYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY @ 3:47. YASSSSS!
I consider myself as a new fan, and this was the first video I saw that made me curious about them and started browsing for more of their songs, at first i was really confused why they have 3 different names DBSK/TVXQ/Tohoshinki.I was just a casual listener of their songs until I read about the lawsuit, that’s the time I started to know who’s who, I didn’t knew their names…so I read more about them until I found myself already drawn to them, to their music and and their story, I was very glad that my 3 favorite voices were together…
TOHOSHINKI is their Japanese name,DBSK is Korean name( DONG BANG SHIN KI) ,and TVXQ is Chinese name (TONG VFANG XIEN QI)
“RISING GODS OF THE EAST ” , (after all the translate…) *_*
🙂
OMG THIS. /SOBS FOREVER T________________T
This is what TVXQ/Tohoshinki is all about – 5 voices that reach deep into your core, each supporting one another to perfection. I legit cry everytime I watched this perf. EPIC AT ITS BEST.
OH MY HEART! T____T
I just love performances like this…
It makes me yes, like all of you bb~s cry…
This kind of performance made me love them…
THIS IS THSK, DBSK, TVfXQ!
My first love with TVXQ starting with Love In The Ice and the second song that made me hooked to them with Kiss Shita mama Sayonara.
I bought a 2Cd+2DVD version of “T” only for this performance, though I already had a CD only version of T (bought at Amazong Japan, cost me a fortune >_<)…
….
“I bought a 2Cd+2DVD version of “T” only for this performance, though I already had a CD only version of T”
—-> ME TOO!!!!!
OMG
T____________T
I love this performance
I cried everytime I watched this ~ the melody, their emotion, the lyric…just OMG
guys, are we taking a trip down memory lane or something?
T________________T
so sad
I actually havent followed anything HM related these days, just in case [still traumatized by their interview] so I didnt know about all the lipsynch, the singing-old-songs-with-other-artists, the cue cards, all that….its just too sad
They’re missing the other 2 alots, but HM,I think they don’t have “HEART,MIND AND SOUL” any more …that’s why they can do whatever they’re doing right now…
hi everyone! i’m new here.
hi! ^^
welcome to our family…
welcome,bb!
hello dear!^^
This song made me completly in love with JYJ ( even though they were still together at that time…)
yep..me too..doushite..
love you 🙂
I get shivers every time i watch this performance,and it’s not cause they are not togheter anymore even when they just came out with it i loved it since the first time and this perf makes my heart explode….those were the good time….shit am too old to cry for a boyband!
This song was one of the very first performances I ever saw of THSK and that made me go “woah….” and promted to get the full discography of these guys. This is how TVXQ got a new fan 🙂
this song is my all time fav from OT5…doushite i fall in love with those 5ive…hisk..hisk..
Luv the tattoo on jae
my fave thsk
are you vietnamese MINMIN?
YES,*_*
@ kdn ,r u still talking to me ? ??
I’m a girl ^_*,I can read Vietnamese a little bit ,can write some ,short sentence….How about you ?
hey I’m Vietnamese too ^o^
@JYJjaejoong,welcome to the club 🙂
it will just take time a little more time for other fans(those people who keeps saying they are supporting 5) as well..
they will be making decisions/taking sides as well in the near future..
LIKE what JYJ and 2VXQ~~They made their decision, i just hope(which i think is almost close to impossible) for the 2vxq supporters to respect DNBN’s decision like how JYJ’s fan do..
LOL looking at the comments… it seems we really are LOVE DBSK (5) sooo muucchhh ><
at this rate i dun really know why there are someone who said, we are throw away DBSK,,, it more precise that we are cherish DBSK (5) soo much, because it's so precious…
Let's start our history now with JYJ… start to write new book…^^ with our precious memory about DBSK (5)…
those people are just irrational… taking sides, moving on, letting go or what ever other reason that is, for them it’s FORGETTING or trying to throw away something(in this case, the memories)
are you a boy btw? 😀
@kdn: i’m 100% boy
@jyjfanboy…how did you be their fan???..sorry for my fail english~:)
@jiji: i just love their talent and their personality… been a fan of Jaejoong and Yoochun’s voice and junsu’s ability in dancing way back 2008
@jyjfanboy..that’s great!!i’m their new fan..love jae, chun and su voice:)…where are you from??
@jiji: i’m originally from the Philippines but i’m residing in US
YO! kababayan! do you still speak Filipino?
Glad to find you here!
@sammie: oi! kabayan.. GLAD to meet you here
yay filipinos kamusta naman?
There are many people here that expressed similar sentiments to me including growing more distant from HM and becoming more indifferent about them. It is so unfortunate that what they are doing seems to be driving fans away… even though I try to be rational about it, music and fandom is subjective, and it’s not possible to completely ignore/deny my own emotions.
That said, thank you to the people who have shared DBSK5 videos. Though I did not watch all of them, I have started replaying DBSK5 songs again, just treasuring the memory that was once there… and hoping that sad events that happen now and in the future will not destroy the beauty of that memory.
well this newsss make me sooooooo happy….
u know a lot of internationl fans are dreaming that jyj n homin will be reunited again… i also hope it came true… but looking frm d REALITY it seems toooo faraway… homin have become soooo different… i feel like they have become new person n lost their memories… their personaliy changed soo much especially changmin…. how could he say something like that… did they have forgot about jyj??? living together for 6 years but now becoming like a stranger with each other… jaejoong keeps missing homin n tried to call them but they just ignore it. this make my eyes wide open…. all this while im tvxq fan but now i become jyj fan. i cant root for new tvxq becoz i feel like im betraying jyj which is also a part of tvxq. homin said that they want 2 protect d name of tvxq but instead i think they r ruining it. i dun want tvxq be d same level as new idol group… tvxq dat i know are d most powerful group in d asia which al d others idol scared of.. but rite now they r ruining it… dats why i held my respect high for jyj because they know how to take care their fans hert by not using tvxq name but as jyj because they know tvxq only has meaning when they are 5….. jyj r not selfish… sm i just cant wait 2 c d day dat when ur company will lose in d lawsuit….
Tho I’m happy that our boys are still being fully supported, I cant help but to feel sad. Cassiopeia is a mighty fandom. The mightiest I dare say. Back when there was no JYJ and HoMin, no other fans dare to bash DBSK. Now, antis comes from within cassies themselves. I cant imagine how the boys feel about this. Must be painful.
I know how you feel. This news gave me a mixture of happiness and sadness as well. But I guess this is for the best. Rather than living for the past, isn’t it better to look forward to the future? Cassiopeia was the mightiest fandom, and I don’t think people will forget it anytime soon.
Just think of it as ‘graduating’ from the best school in the world. You’re no longer a ‘student’, but you’ll always carry the school’s pride. :,)
well said, Jiji! ahahah~ *hugs u*
I’ve only been away for two days, yet so many things have happened….
Honestly, just when I was wondering when they will officially announce this……
I’m relieved to know that JYJ have loyal and supportive fans 🙂 🙂 I really am. Sometimes I just think “why must it be so hard on them”, but seeing this makes me feel much better.
But I am by no means joyful at the fact that Homin are not supported. I am happy that JYJ are supported, but that’s all. In fact I have been trying to avoid thinking of Homin for a while. Coz I know every time I watch old DBSK5 videos, something inside me tells me that I still want them as 5. But the REALITY is so harsh that it seems I have to make a decision. I will never ever do anything that is gonna condemn JYJ, therefore, I have to part with Homin. I will be by their side again when they leave SM.
For now, let’s build a happy JYJ family 🙂 🙂 🙂
“I’m relieved to know that JYJ have loyal and supportive fans”
I think that DBSK have loyal fans and Homin/SME just didn’t thought so and were the REAL traitors toward them.
So we, the fans what could have done?
Movin’ on to preserve the soul of the group and say bye bye to the name.
Finally..
it’s time to move on~~
like everybody in here..
I can’t no longer hope/wish that TVXQ is going to be back as 5 again.. specially at the mean time.. if they ever come back together someday, i’ll be grateful and if they won’t..I won’t be sad about it..
I’ll just support the ones i like the most..but still supporting the other side..
I’m happy being in the middle of JYJ family ❤
have anyone read what’s in truetvxq.blogspot.com? no doubt Homin biased and a bit anti JYJ but i don’t think what’s inside the blog is a complete lie either. i hope the points brought out by the blogger is cleared up here. =(( they put JYJ in the bad light ALL THE TIME, with all sorts of ‘proofs’. i mean, i like all 5, but i’m slightly biased on JYJ’s side. because since NO ONE stood up against the points brought out in truetvxq, many believe in what the blog claims. they bring out the contracts and so on, which are very convincing. i don’t like it when they pushed the whole thing to JYJ. yeah so i totally get it how homin fans feel when JYJ fans call Homin traitors. =( so confused.
i am so tired of hearing about true TVXQ
how many times are we supposed to counter those claims
Homin have organised fans who make accounts in forums and if you look at their posts more than half of them are “promoting” true tvxq
Maybe we shoud start counter trolling them.
Have you read the jyj files dear?
Go find the earliest articles off the archive and grab a mug of hot chocolate and settle down for some reading…..
http://thejyjfiles.wordpress.com/
🙂
^ also the articles there are backed up by the original sources which you can see
yeah.. I just read one paragraph, and I get dizzy, it means its full of BS.
or whatever..I believe in JYJ
*shrug*
thank you. =) nowadays it’s really hard love both sides anymore. trying to love all 5 makes me confused because THAT BLOG completely puts JYJ as the bad guys. and calling JYJ fans delusional. come to think of it, JYJ sites only blame SME most of the time. we never badmouth them much. they’re just butthurt we’re not going all out for Homin. == haha yes. counter trolling!
this is like my fourth post in a row but this bothers me way too much for my own good
which points are you concerned about
the whole blog. basically what they’re claiming is that JYJ is sueing with slave contract (with ‘contracts’ as prove that apparently it’s not a slave contract after all) as an EXCUSE because SME was filing a lawsuit against the cosmetic company that they invested in. they said that the company was using the name TVXQ to promote their products. and told JYJ to stop investing in it as it brings down TVXQ’s image.. and truetvxq claimed that JYJ disagreed and filed the lawsuit.
i never thought of jyj that way, call me delusional or what. but i’m trying to listen to homin’s part as well to be rational at the same time. so as i said, when you try to love 5 of them, you’ll be confused.
cosmetic company has already been proven as not being relevant to the case. SM was sued about it and lost so yeah, the fact that they bring up the cosmetics company immediately tells me they’re nothing but a thinly veiled anti-JYJ blog.
they also keep bringing up that JYJ is bragging about the contracts, trying to get the society to feel sorry for them. == sometimes Homin fans can go too far.
personally i’m against Homin’s comeback as TVXQ and opening a new fansite just for DBSK2. but ugh! loving them= accepting that as well.
@DBSKfreak:
I’m not sure if it’s the language you have chosen but “bragging” is very subjective. What if the content of their “bragging” has as a factual basis that accurately describes a problem in the industry? Will it still be considered “bragging”?
Because of the complexity of the situation it’s difficult to say HM-biased or SM-biased opinions are “complete lies” and contain no truth. But one should read and ask the question – which is more likely to contain more truth?
There could much that can be written about this but my suggestion is to be patient and also read JYJfiles. This way you can find out which opinion and fact is stronger for you.
My concern is that counter trolling would be ineffective – and perhaps push some HM fans to become more aggressive against JYJ. It’s better to be positive (pro-JYJ) instead. The information is already there on the internet. If they wish to access they can but some might not appreciate undermining/weakening of their arguments.
I counter those claims all the time. The staff on that blog have ZERO law knowledge so that for me makes me dismiss any claims they make.
that blog STRESSES on the fact that JYJ BIASED sites only show this to fans.. but the truth is…blabla ==
that blog claims to have evidence and so on but i feel most of it is the blogger’s own interpretation and opinion
DBSKfreak I was confused like you too, I read that site too. Understand that the claim SM makes that JYJ is suing for some real underlying ‘other’ is just an appeal to confuse those who don’t understand what’s going on. In law, the judge at the end of the day does not CARE for why one sues, but if they can PROVE WHAT they’re suing for is valid. So SM making that appeal is simply to confuse the fans and to spread hate. They’re just attacking character which has no merit in this lawsuit because this lawsuit is not about character, it’s about a contract that is in question for is validity. Them proving JYJ intentions is not going to disprove the unfairness of the contract.
There’s multiple lawsuits going on and they are unrelated but are shared because the same ppl are involved. JYJ sued about the contract validity, then SM counter sued for SOMETHING ELSE OUTSIDE OF WHAT JYJ IS SUING FOR. But they try to make it as if it applies to what JYJ is suing for. They’re suing for damages which occured when JYJ decided to sue SM, one of the claims for these damages is that they breached the contract due to some cosmetics venture. All that other jive about ‘using the name TVXQ to sell, the cosmetic company is dirty’ blah blah blah is padded info to appeal to the confused and to attack character. The judge is not even looking at that. And we shouldn’t either. That’s always there in lawsuits, an appeal to the ethos and pathos but the Judges job is to be objective and to look at EVIDENCE and FACTS not intentions motives etc. We should be like mini judges in observing this case as the public but of course we can’t be because we are nosy.
LOL that blog is crap!It’s all based on the opinion of the writer,she appeals to reader by saying that she is korean and wants to share the “truth” but even her trans of the contract is copied from the one shared by tohosomnia and O!
If people only read the trans of the contract they too get it that it’s unfair but she appeals to them by sharing posts about analyzing it,she forgets to stress that it is only based on her opinion nothing more.In one of those posts she even share a link about how little western stars gain from their albums so it’s fair that SM takes all that money, she forgets to point out that the link given talks only about average stars not big shots like TVXQ she also forget to point out that the costs of production and promo are different in the US than in Asia,they spend more in the west so they take more.For example a cd is cheap here not in Asia no matter that the production costs are cheaper and that’s cause of different cultures,for us a cd is something normal for them it’s still considered a “luxery benefit”,meaning that in Asia no matter the costs are cheaper the agency will double it cause of the cultural value of that product.It’s economy it’s hard to explain…but it’s like the difference for americans in buying a californian wine or an italian wine(like Zinfandel and Primitivo which is basically the same product and even taste but with different names)no matter the costs of producing a californian wine are higher the bottles are cheaper than the italian wine and it’s not cause the production costs of the italian one are higher it’s cause of the added cultural value that americans give to it,so again for an agency in the west the costs of producing are high but they have to sell it “cheap” cause for our culture it’s normal while in Asia the costs of producing are cheaper still culturally a cd is considered an “extra benefit” so an agency will make more edge from the price in which they are selling it.Also she doesn’t talk about the value rate,we all know that mathematic is not an opinion but when we talk about money and economy we have to keep in mind that the value of 1% of a certain ammount in US rate doesn’t not corrispond to the value of 1% of that same ammount exchanged,to make it easy try to think of the value of the exchange between euros and dollars…1euro is on lucky days 2 dollars,now with one euro in Italy you can buy an espresso which is a really small cup of coffe with no cream while in Irland nowdays you can have breakfast,in the US with 2 dollars you can buy more than a small coffe.My whole point here is that you can’t compare earnings between Asia and the West without keeping in mind the costs of living,the economy,the rate exchange and the cultural value of products.Doing it,is beyond being dumb.And by the way am a lawyer getting my master in international economy and cooperation,so i know what am talking about when i say,you can’t compare without includings all these factors.
Also about this issue she forgets to say how these average stars still get big bucks cause they own the copyright of their songs so they can sell them or get more money for it,or the fact that they get all the money from cf deals and mosts of the money from the concerts and by contract TVXQ couldn’t access to all this extra income as it went to SM.Even in Jap case were they had more favourable points in the contract people seem to forget that before getting their share from the income of the albums Avex took the costs of production and promotion and their edge on it(the extra they get for investing)then SM Japan(yeah bet you forget that one)took their share for managing TVXQ and investment plus edge then SM Korea took their share again investments plus edge ,then what is left had to be dived between the 5 members.SM Japan and SM Korea are the same thing the Ceo of the Jap one is appointed by the board in Korea,so more than a sister agency(2 different agencies collaborating together with 2 different boards,the earinigs HAVE to be divided between the 2-each one get a share on the edge made!)it should be considered a subsidiary(a subsidiary doesn’t get a share on the income but only get paid for their job),it’s like a russian matryoshkas or chinese boxes.The contract not only violates most of human rights in accordance to ownerships of copyrights,hours of labour,leght of the contract but also any idea of fair business relationship.
That said i had a whole conversation about it on youtube cause i catched one of her followers spreading that kind of BS,but it was pointless….most of the time i think ignorance is a bliss and envy people who can close their minds and live in denial but in this case it was damn annoying i virtually wanted to strangle her more than pity her as i usually do..cause i understand people who are ignorat cause they don’t have the will to search for info or facts but people who actually read the trans of the contract and still think is fair are beyond my understanding!!
And btwy the only reason why nobody went there to deny her claims is cause she deletes those comments if they clearly show why her reasoning is wrong she only let the ones who are bashing her for being an anti or the ones who can’t back up their statements.She even braggs about it in the comment section in one of those posts when one her followers praised her about being so “good”for sharing the truth and not caring about antis her answer was that if she thought the comment was too much she would delete it,like sers who in their right minds would go and comment on a blog where the writer states clearly that she deletes comments?!?!?!
And just so you know that she is not a real cassies and maybe not even korean in one of these comments she states that Cassiopeia name was given to the fanclub by YUNHO!Now it’s popular believe in the I-fandom that Changmin gave the name to the fanclub but older cassies would remember that cassies choose that name for themselves to honor our 5 Gods=5stars.
Also i trully believe that she is either a HoMin-stan trying to justify why they stayed with SM by accusing JYJ of being greedy or somebody working for SM after all,wasn’t it last year (or in 2009?) that news about SM hiring people to comment and blog positively about them came out?!!
wow..that’s very detailed. thank you so much for clearing things up. =)
I thank you for taking the time to explain things like that hun! *hugs*
It is what I have noticed with HoMin biased fans. They refuse to see what’s already in front of them because REALITY is really hard to swallow. And that reality is the fact that HoMin chose to (forGodknowswhatreason) stay with the actual people who have obviously hurt, abused, used and deceived all five of them and turn their backs (sorry abt the word usage, it’s what I feel…) on their brothers and the fans that made them what they are.
HoMin fans have chosen to follow blindly as HoMin have chosen to just Keep Their Heads Down to the ENEMY that is SME. (Yes, pun intended.)
@Cris Thank you for the detailed explanation! Good that the information is out there. For the fans who go outside a site that’s bashing one side, they can find information like this and decide for themselves what’s going on.
And so true: I don’t know how anyone could read the contract or a translation of it and think it’s fair and worth defending.
Chris, I hate to say this but where do you get the sources from? Even though your comment may seem much detailed, it isn’t any different from the rest which are mainly made up by your pure thoughts and opinions. Even if I do keep the same faith, I disagree with most of your points as it is unstructured nor backed up with supportive evidence.
Since our boys now become two separate entities, I guess we also have to choose what is the best for us. What ever decision you made, hopefully it will not become the bashing points toward each other.
For JYJ fans – Hopefully new fans give respect to the fans that called Cassies. Even they stop to support HOMIN for now, it does not mean they can not be a cassie anymore. Try to understand that Cassiopeia who now support JYJ still have lingering feelings toward HOMIN and JYJ also still believe that they are still part DBSK5 and still refer their fans as cassies. So as long as DBSK members exist and still believe they are part of it, cassies also exist beside them. Cassies are the old fans of JYJ and new fans need to respect their diligence for supporting the boys to come this far. Cassies also have to respect JYJ new fans because not all of them know about HOMIN and DBSK history. Try to understand new fans as they also have their own opinion and believe about JYJ.
Due to current circumstances, our fandom looks very unique. Cassies or not, we are all JYJ fans here. Fans need to get used to it and respect each other. Though JYJ fans only spread love…
guys,why we didn’t vote for our page JYJ3 become the best fansite on twitter …We can try to be # 1,right…?
http://shortyawards.com/category/fansite/1
voted!!
cmon guys.. vote! vote!
JYJ family hwaitiing!!
idk, but fanaccount of jyj fanmeeting has cheered me up.. 🙂
i will support JYJ for life!!!!
JYJ Fighting!!!, but if ever the time will come that they will unite that would make me very happy.
i love TVXQ! i love JYJ! i love JUNSU!!
neh… time is up… our dissapointed towards hm can’t be erase with ease.. hm just too much… sometimes i really want to know what is going on in their smart brain.. oh my Lord homin… how the hell you can betray your heart? it seems that you don’t have any considerate feeling for cassie.. seriously if someone tell me that homin can’t do anything cz everything up to sm i would say that it just mean one thing that homin are true slave.. homin you are grown up man.. you have the right to refuse! even if it means that they have to leave sm! and please just be a MAN! if you want to sing old tvxq song then sing it by yourself stand with your own foot and don’t ever use or replace jyj voices… nah… you think you save tvxq? you are WRONG BIG TIME.. YOU RUIN IT YOURSELF….
What an amazing thread full of memories, heartfelt emotions, reason, hope that things will get better soon. I know I teared up re-watching these videos.
The comments make me think of the line from Yuchun’s drama, SKKS, when Gu Yong Ha says to the student body president, “We didn’t forsake you first. You were the one who had forsaken [Sungkyunkwan] first.” It feels like this is what Hm has done by their recent actions. The same cannot be said of JYJ even though they filed the lawsuit. Their actions and words were clearly on the side of reuniting as 5.
I will continue to support JYJ and leave HM to their choice.
its a bit sad but hey you gotta do what you gotta dp
My heart.. broke into pieces..
It hurts so much that i can’t deny it anymore even it’s likely “Clueless” than “Denying the facts”
I want to support both, I want to support JYJ and HoMin, i always keep in my mind that they’re both innocent and it’s all SMent’s faults..
I’ve seen the truth, or rather read the truth..
at first 65% of me was with Homin, i believe on them and i love Yunho, the Old Jung Yunho like crazy..
But now, 85% of me struggling to death to siding with JYJ. I don’t want siding, please Homin, keep our faith, stop me to side with any side. Even just a single caring word for JYJ’s situation from you or changmin..
or i’ll just buy SMent over and kick Homin out the place so they can join JYJ /sobs