Please don’t fall for yet another rumor that some people are using to manipulate international fans: If you were told that either JJ, YC or CM was about to get “rotated” out of the group before or after TVXQ’s debut, if you were told that YH “cried and begged” SM so that JJ would be able to stay in the group, please read below to learn more about the “rotation”.
1) It was stated in January 2011’s court hearing by SM’s employee Kang, Jung Ah that SM was planning to take YH out of TVXQ before TVXQ’s debut. It was NOT JJ, YC or CM. Kang, Jung Ah also added that JS and JJ protested against this and hence YH debuted as a member of TVXQ.
2) There’s this one picture of 4 TVXQ members (everyone but JJ) and 1 SM trainee that has been floating around on the internet. This picture has caused fans to assume that it was JJ who was going to be rotated out of TVXQ.
However, this picture was taken out of “東方神起! Special Photo Essay TVfXQ! 3rd Storybook in Los Angeles” that SM published in 2004. Here’s the scanned pictures from that storybook (Click on the picture to Zoom):
Please take your time and check out ALL the pictures. You’ll see that there are various combinations of all five members and SM trainees. It was not just JJ who was missing from some pictures and replaced by SM trainees. So why was JJ singled out and targeted as the one who would be rotated out?
A fan saw TVXQ at the airport and posted a fan account that she saw JJ looking very down. That fan account was distorted and it spread over the internet that JJ was very depressed b/c he knew he was going to be kicked out of the team soon.
So it was just this 1 picture taken out of the whole photo book, combined with that one fan account, which generated the rumor that JJ was supposed to be kicked out of TVXQ. This rumor died down eventually. Recently it resurfaced thanks to a few people who started spreading it again.
3) CM and YC also became the targets of the same rumor; it was circulated at one point or another that either CM or YC was supposed to be kicked out of the team after TVXQ’s debut. However, these times, there was no story about how YH cried and begged SM to help YC or CM. The rumors disappeared eventually.
4) There is no evidence at all that YH cried and begged SM to let JJ, CM or YC stay in the group.
5) When SME attempted member rotation after TVXQ’s debut, YH’s father contacted a major fansite 2카동 (ikadong) and asked the administrators to upload a document on fans’ alliance’s webpage to stop the rotation. Here’s the link to ikadong’s announcement that mentions that event: galldcinside. There were a lot of fans who stated that YH is the one who was supposed to be rotated out. A lot of fans witnessed how YH’s fansite 그라티아 acted really quickly to stop the rotation. However, this all hearsay and there’s no direct evidence except fans’ statements that YH was supposed to be kicked off the group.
So what does this all mean? It means that:
1) YH almost did not debut as TVXQ but thanks to his team members, he did.
2) There’s NO evidence that JJ, CM or YC was going to be rotated.
3) The picture that some people are using as evidence that JJ was about to get rotated was taken out of context
4) There’s no evidence that YH was going to be rotated out, and there’s no evidence that his plea to SM saved his team member.
So why are some people reviving an old rumor at JJ’s expense to stress that YH helped a team member stay in the team? It appears that they are trying to emphasize that YH is a caring and responsible leader who saved his dear friend from losing his career and chance at stardom. But resorting to an old rumor to prop up Yunho’s reputation at the expense of JJ, how will that really help YH in the end?
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Credit: SB
This is the picture they use to prove JJ wasn’t going to debut in TVXQ
But what about these pictures??
OMG for real? I have read in quite a few forums that it was Jaejoong because in the beginning he wasn’t popular and fans were forced into getting an autograph from him=/ ….It always pissed me off!
the autograph thing i thought it was CHANGMIN *O*
also has anyone heard about the foxreal “insider blog” its fake right
i was on 6theory today and saw some crazy rumors
i feel better after reading the article just shows the unreliability of the info
^^ to anyone who might be freaked out because of the wording of my comment
it has nothing to do with yunho/jaejoong or necessarily even jyj
i meant info on the internet in general
Well from what I’ve read in several places, it was Jaejoong and Changmin both. Someone also wrote that girls used to cry when they were pushed into Jae’s line=/ I found it so unbelievable since I always thought Jaejoong was the most popular, atleast I was attracted to him before I took interest in DBSK.
i think i read somewhere or some one said that jj fan was held back from the line…
I would have taken this rumor a little bit seriously if and if it was not JJ who was targeted as the one being rotated out. First of, HE WAS THEIR LEAD VOCAL. Hello!!! its not that easy to replace a lead vocalist especially in a group (DBSK) that specialized in harmonization and boast great ACapellas as part of their repertoire. If it was JS, YC, CM, or YH… yes, its probable, nothing against those great guys. But debuting a new group, I understand there could have been a last minute changes or group re-shuffling. In those days they have not proven their mettle yet so to speak. But in a singing band/group formed – the lead vocal is the least likely to be rotated first. Making this rumor really laughable….Seeing these 5 boys were pick from the best of the best of the trainees in SM camp… they must have already known these boys potentials and capabilities therefore, they know JJ vocals prowess is a gold mine. For goodness sake his vocal gymnastics gives me goosebumps…Nobody in their right mind would not cash (esp. SM) on this guy’s vocals.
well, then i don’t understand what’s on Yunho mind anymore…it’s Jae and Su who saved his position in DBSK(even Sm employee knew that), and now…just see all the things he stated and said…i feel so sad 😦 just hope that there’s a reason he just cant speak out…
You can’t really think that those were his own thoughts.Yeah, I know, he could have say ‘no’, at least that what my ‘Western-part’ of my brain tells me. But the ‘Eastern-part’ which knows how Eastern people think and act, knows that it’s not that easy as it seems. Staying with SM he and Changmin practically agreed to do what ever SM says they need to do or say and in reality they can’t really object.
well, but they choose to stay. Maybe to avoid all the hardships JYJ has suffered.
@kat Most probably. They had only H.O.T as example before them and we all know how that ended… I can’t blame people for being afraid, that’s why I’m not angry with HoMin. I love JYJ because they dared to make a move when they had enough but I can’t be angry with the other two because they didn’t have the courage to do the same. They are suffering too because of their own decission, no need to add my own blaming to their probable guilt. And they can’t even vent their feelings like JYJ does, because they are required to “be happy”. Frankly, instead of being angry, I feel sorry for them and I pity those two boys…
This rumor is nothing new but I admit I’ve never heard about the JJ, YH and CM one. I’ve always heard it was Yoochun who they wanted to rotate but fans objected and threatened with boycott so they eventually stopped with the whole ‘changing members’ idea… This only shows the credibility of rumors. 😀
The image of “caring and responsible” YH can be supported only by some lies and rumors? Sad…
This! i think they need to stop. The fact that I cx look straight at Yunho face w/o disgust largely due to the actions from his fans. I think some of Yunho’s fans really annoying and everytime they overly react to protect Yunho always makes me flipping up the table. Unfair right but i cx help it
HoMin fans protect Yunho the same way we protect JYJ. We are just as protective as they are so neither is right or wrong 🙂
^^lolz~ Are you for real?
yeah, fans will protect their side but atleast
JYJ fans dont spread shitty rumours about HoMin to make JYJ look better.
and please admins spread this everywhere….even in sites like Omonatheydidn’t. Thanks!
@Yaone, u nail it 100%
i never knew about this news until recently this year. i was always told it was jaejoong that was to be kicked out. its good thing you guys clarified this. but why are these rumors resurfacing?? i mean i get the fans want yunho to look like a sweet caring guy but he has always been that in my eyes so why these rumors? and shouldnt yunho be thanking jaejoong and junsu for fighting for him? if it werent for them yunho wouldnt have gone through all the accomplishments DBSK had. and why was yunho gonna be kicked out anyways??
I’m not sure but I heard Yunho’s vocal ability is the least among 5 so maybe that was why.
but his dancing ability is great tho
this is so weird
that is true. because tvxq is a band that debut for being an acapella band. yunho don’t have the vocals. so they need to adjust for him
But in acapella ….YH’s voice is really important…coz its the base for the song….so that always confuses me.Correct me if i’m wrong but YH,YC- base, CM,JS-High and JJ brings it together… you can actually hear YH more in the acapellas.
I not sure, but follow my reserch he had
sorry my comment got cut!! Yh had something from his health effect his vocall that time( i dont commnet who have least or most vocall, its up ppl taste)
As what I read in JYJfiles, It is because he signed only a 7 year contract which his father disagreed and thought it was too excessive for him where the other contracts of the members where 10 years.
*I cant remember what article in JYJfiles but Im sure its there.*
Wow, I’ve heard a lot of time that i was “JJ” and recently I’ve heard there is also JS, YC, CM but I’ve never heard about YH’s possibility of being rotated out before their debut so it’s quite surprise to me when I read this news 0_0
Thankyou so much admin.. I do feel relieved.
Guys please just let it be, that HoTel girls just bunch idiot who jobless,
But moreover why all this years always jaejoong who get rumours just because he looks slightly rebell he always be the black sheep,
but you know what that’s make me more love him, he suffer when he is young but you can see know he looks the most mature with his speech and behaviour, and you can see all this year even when DBSK5 era another member looks relly on him, in Couple Talk AADBSK2 his couple talk never feel awkward he can light the atmospher,
I am confused… was Yunho supposed to be out before debut? Then, what was the rumours after debut? It seems that Yunho’s father sent those messages after debut.. this SM employee says they thought of replacing Yunho before debut but JS & JJ protested so they didn’t… Did they re-try it after debut? Maybe it really is some other member who was going out after debut…. Ahh, so confusing….
Also I heard Yoochun was going out after first year, he cried at Mideoyo performance and Cassies make boycott and SM gave up replacing him… is it pure rumor? I saw he really cried but the boycott issue?
Based from what SME’s witness said, Yunho wasn’t supposed to debut as TVXQ if it wasn’t for Junsu and Jaejoong, who protested against it. That was before debut.
After debut, all are rumors. Jaejoong, Changmin, and Yoochun were supposed to be rotated out of TVXQ, but these claims have never substantiated by concrete proof. Yunho’s father also supposedly contacted administrators of major TVXQ sites after debut to help stop the so-called rotation, so many fans claimed that it was Yunho who was really the subject of the rotation, but these are all speculations.
I hope that cleared it up. ^^
Day by day I get this growing intuition that SM and the hotels are targeting Jaejoong. They realise they can’t do much against junsu and yoochun but jaejoong is still vulnerable to cockblocks and harassment. I hope I’m wrong, but with every rumour and sudden cancellation of Jaejoong’s activities, this bad feeling grows…that SM is using Jaejoong to break up JYJ…they’ve done it before to JTL and tried to do the same with Shinhwa (targeting Eric). So please, everyone, SHOW A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR JAEJOONG AND WORK TO TAKE DOWN ANY AND ALL RUMOURS ABOUT HIM. I hear especially the situation in Japan is bleak…lots of hotels spreading baseless rumours about him there.
Who dares to touch my Jaejoong? He is my favourite. And I don’t think their plot to break up JYJ will succeed coz everyone can see the love between the guys. It has happened to the other groups but it will never happen to JYJ and I believe in that.
Those Ho-tel girls are thoughtless, brainless, etc. whatever they are but Don’t they dare to hurt Jaejoong.
(Sorry for my harsh words, I’m mad at these girls and SM)
damn u sme and hotels girls…so inferior to jaejoong 😡 we don’t care we fans WILL LOVE HIM EVEN MORE! thanks jimmie!
I feel the same way too. It’s because he’s been the most controversial member amongst the 5(custody battle, DUI, dating scandals etc…he’s like a rebel) and he’s extremely famous in the Japanase media. Plus, since he hasn’t done any solo project past year, it’s easier to attack him. Oh lord, they better not do that!=@
and he is the one who have a too kind heart, he so love his members (yes, even those two), sighhhh
I think the reason why he’s the target in Japan is because he’s the most popular there.
I will never stop supporting Jaejoong, Yoochun, or Junsu.
what!!! dare them touch my Jae?????
DSDAFAWRDWQADCACS
i wanna slap them hard….
tell them jj might the most lenient in DBSK/JYJ but his fans is the most protective….. hurt him… goshhh….
now i really wanna make they pay a helll
sorry but not sorry for my words…coz i really wanna slap those bitches if they dare hurt Jae….
we can do that together 😀
I will fight to the end who dare to touch our JYJ!
I think SM and HO-Tel girls try to move J-fans focus/attention from Jaejoong to 2HSKI….Especially Yunho….Geez…Hope JJ fans in Japan still with him…
he needs to be in a drama STAT
not just any drama but THAT drama!
maybe we can start a support campaign for him!
or are kcassies already on it?
@Jimmie
Ok, I get they are trying to hurt Jaejoong, but why would they think they can successfully breakup JYJ? If they really feel they can syphon off Junsu and Yoochun from Jaejoong, then they weren’t paying attention to the lyrics of ‘Song With No Name’. These 3 KNOW what the deal is.
They were prepared to lose their careers TOGETHER. To me, that says it all. You don’t agree to walk the plank together, then get all fussed and bothered about some childish rumors, and their possible effects.
What I do feel they are trying to do is…
1 – mitigate the damage when they lose the lawsuit. Try and smear the least singularly active member to keep him from being noticed. The other 2 have raised their individual profiles.
2 – weaken the Japanese connection. April is fast coming up, and mostly likely the end of AVEX’s contract with JYJ. Once the lawsuit decision comes down, and JYJ are totally contracturally free of SME, AVEX will have a hard time trying to get the Tohoshinki connection working again.
3 – try and build up Yunho’s profile in Japan at the expense of Jaejoong. Jae’s popularity is so huge, Yunho kind of pales in comparison. Once JYJ is able to begin promoting in Japan again, Jae’s popularity will be a huge benefit to the group.
4 – try and dispel the preception that Jaejoong is a more effective and charismatic leader than Yunho. It has become more and more apparent, JJ is looked upon as the leader of JYJ. This despite the fact that all 3 take the lead in discussions and vocals. Jaejoong is still in ‘the middle’, seen as the keystone.
They are so afraid of the success this trio is ready to achieve. Using whatever means necessary to cloud their future. But the one imporant factor, I think, they are overlooking. Spending so much time chasing after JYJ, they appear to be neglecting their other acts.
Whatever immediate negative attention they manage to bring forth, isn’t going to last long. The fans I feel, will match them point for point. All this does is make them look more desparate as time goes on. That’s not a position of strength by any definition.
good analysis…
Hotel girls and SM family are on their full forces to get our JYJ. It’s our duty to protect them by put the fact straight to the public, to people who have heard the rumours, to correct any misunderstanding.
I have read comments saying they heard differently, that’s why we need to put the real facts out there.
The court has ruled about Crebeau, Slave contract, and now we knew about the rotating members.
The attack now is focusing on the money-driven, which it gets more personal. Hope someome could write sth addressing the money/greedy issue where SM family is personally attcking JYJ now.
I’m busy today so I’m just going to add my seconded to what ButterfliesAreFree said. 🙂
lol…
but yes… XDD
im agree with Jimmie..
but i believe that both SM & Ho-tel-gall have also tried to divide all three by disguise as ‘.(insert.any.trio.name).-bias’fan
i’ve remember sometime last yr,when there a news about these tree about to call for the court statement..
the fans ‘discussion’ getting out-of-control since theres also some ‘unfamiliar-user-name’ joining to heat up by belittle(?sorry im not sure if ‘belittle’ is correct word?) the other 2 members..
it not im blaming these fans…but i Really Hope everyone Be Extra Caution even we’re in depressing situation
*sorry for my bad eng.grammr* 😀
(adding) also just remember..sometime,witout realize..our comment might offendent others
*sorry*
@IcEz
Please, do me a favor and go up top to the song lyric tab and pull down the lyrics for Their Rooms. Go to the ones for Song With No Name. Read them over carefully.
The 3 of them worked on this song together, as they did all of them. No way can you convince me they are going to allow some retarded, developmentally arrested teen-agers and SME separate them. They are way too savvy for this.
Then find the audio for the song, and listen, really listen to how beautiful they sound together. Do they sound like they don’t care about the lyrics of this or any of the other ones.
One of the reasons this album is so successful, aside from the ‘nice photos’ :-), people are appreciating the heart and soul they are putting into each and every song.
They have been through too much TOGETHER to be thrown off my mischief makers.
PEACE
when you said that they are trying to break up JYJ i could totally see that. jj is a very kind hearted man and so sentimental which is one reason that attracted me to him. i think that if SM and HoTel girls target jaejoong alot more then jj would do anything to make sure the other two members dont get pulled even further into the drama and would do anything to protect them maybe he would think that even leaving the group would help. they could also bbe jealous becuz of how influental jaejoong is, people do quickly look at him. when i saw a pic of DBSK for the very first time, my eyes were quickly attracted to jaejoong. also SM and HoTel girls dont seem to get that us fans are willing to stand by jaejoongs side and protect him. im not easy to fall for rumors unless given facts, they can spread as many rumors as they want but we’ll make sure to protect him. dont worry jimmie!
I am a bit cautious to say this, since I’ve just read it from a blog that I do not know the blogger well. But according to her post, the bodyguard at that time said that YH cried a river because of the rotation and JJ comforted YH at the TVXQ residence. This could be also a rumor, but anyway, this piece of information also floats on the web….
i think if jj not in d tvxq5, they will not be famous as there are now and then….becoz i think jj is d one who become the unoficial ‘pr’ @ ‘face’ of tvxq5. look at all their interview, show or whatever that take place, jj will always be the center of attention. just like earth revolve around sun….tvxq5 revolve around jj…n i think if jj in other group or solo, he will be sooooooooo famous….
i agree with you..
Jae is the lead vocal and the most appealing/very good looking, always at the center, so people tend to focus their attention to him, that’s for me, I was attracted to tvxq because of Jae’s voice and looks,( but i can’t deny that if Junsu sings the bridge/solo part of their TVXQ songs esp. ballads…it’s so breathtaking, and Mickys’s charm and voice quality is also a scene stealer).
Lol @ YH father , he is always like that , so desperate , poor him xD
guys do u know when qtv jyj 24/7 gonna air???
well JJ is the lead vocal in TVXQ and to say that he’s a left over is somehow funny right? Yeah right?
*nod* If the vocal of a group is replaced with another, we will never see the same group as before. After debuting successfully, I doubt that SM would want to replace JJ. It’s a false rumor after all but many international fans believe that rumor (including me) 0_0
its sooo funnyyy…. jj is d main vocal!!! well guys do u know when jyj reality show gonna air???? im so sick with broadcasting stations playing with our boys like this…..
@jimmie, yeah I feel that too, they always pick on jaejoong, when you guys to AKP on JYJ’article, hatters always pick on jaejoong,
for me jaejoong like center of JYJ, I can see yoochun and junsu relly on him,
but I think hatters can’t bring him down cuz for all this year jaejoong is the most who have bad experience with antis,
and for japan, he is one and only korean artist who got conection with j-artist, and I think his j-artist friends protect him,
i agree with u…all the comment or article that i read…they always bash jj…..i don’t know why they hate jj so much….
they fear, hate, jealous of jae ==
its always been like that ^^. i am a fan since their “o” album, and i witness all the hating on jaejoong but also the love he get. a lot of people hate him but also a lot and a lot of people love him. he always create a strong feeling from other people, hate or love, they always give attention to him. its always been like that. i still remember when i still actived on soompi, there always wars between fans relate to jae.
cause he’s unique?
I dont think I’ve ever seen anyone like him. he’s unique, even his look unique, and his quirky personality, and his talent, and he has a soft heart
so thats all the more reason to target him
=( the problem is, which chun and su been saying over and over again, JJ cares too much, and so he’s prone to harrassment cause they know they get him that way.
and for haters, they’re just jealous of him
stupid SM and HOTELS, stupid antis and haters ~ im gonna kick all of you for hurting JJ
Looking at the pictures, no wonder TVXQ and Super Junior members are close. They were already selected for debut, it was only a question of who among them actually would, and picking the creme of the crop.
I heard that it was JJ that was going to be rotated out too… then the rumour that both JJ and YC will be rotated out to team up/ w chinese trainee
I always thought that it was weird how they couldnt just take JJ who was the lead vocal out of TVXQ5, until I read this
trying to raise the image of one person at the expense of another….thats low, really really LOW. well, what do we expect from those HOTELS. another person Im really speechless about is the dad
Thank you for all your work in stopping rumours like this
JYJ family fighting!
Thank you admins!oo..myyy I read this one and some more few month ago when i try to understand about TVXQ.I spent whole my vacation to search and found some thing conect with them,all the site, traslate with different language and i got it but because i am new and that very mess and hard that time,fans very sensitive and easy to get hurt,bashing,hating..i didnt know alot of ppl dont know about that..anyway you guys just try to understand, against rumors from some crazy hater,pls! but with the boys(JJ,YH,CM,YC,JS) notthing wrong and right,they were very youth and have alot thing burden including in and out side that time !open your arm, your heart forgive and forget and support who you think deserve your support and speard our JYJ family’s love!!
One of the thing I have observed, some of those who just came out to bash JJ/JYJ/JYJ fans were those who worshipped YunJae b4. So when YunJae are separated, why is JJ the only one to blame and bash?
It’s like he stattered their fantacies or sth…
So not only all of the above formention reasons, adding to that…YunJae’s chip on his shoulder!
yeah, i follow some yunjae fans on twitter, and ….sighh. i have to agree with you
It’s not all YunJae fans, girl ^^
I’m a crazy YJ shipper before but now I choose to take JJ side because JJ is still the same person I’ve known for all these years (excepting being more mature) but I don’t know the current YH lol.
Some of YJ fans I know (it is a small number though) choose not to take side or JJ side, no one choose to take YH side, ‘cos they all feel that YH is not the same person with the YH they’ve known.
I’m with you on this!!
I’m a YJ shipper who takes JJ side.
After this lawsuit, Yunho has become a person that I don’t know. He’s not the same Yunho I have supported all these years, so I support Jaejoong much more.
i used to be yunjae shipper too ^^ but, i support JYJ and just ignore HM now ^^
yah many yunjae fans like that LOL..but not all of them..
my sis is yunjae fans…. and have yunho as her bias… but now she fully-support JYJ…
mmm…yunjae’s fan u said.. i am sure they are very biased on yunho and choose to be denial.. luckily my sis is not like that… she said,yunho change a lot, she even can’t make yunjae fanfict again.. hhmmm.. now she is Jae’s fan U_U
my friends who are yunjae’s fan also feel ashamed with “other” yunjae fan who bash jae and also JYJ a lot and still said they love Jae..
I think they are Yunho-in-their-fic fans LOL. A true YunJae fan would definitely realize that Yunho is not the same person as before. I can’t feel him anymore…
I don’t agree with that at all.
Ice observed yunjae fans for years and most of them like/d jj as their biased and yunho was usually second or further down the line. There ratio for jaejoong/yunho biased in the yunjae fandom jj wins. In fact yj fans had a lot of problems with yunho fans because a lot of yunho fans would talk about jj and yunjae fans cause they didn’t like ppm pairing him or thinking he was gay.
Idk abt them “Yunjae Fans”… I know I am Yunjae-biased but I love Jaejoong more…
Maybe it’s because those people had liked Yunho better than Jaejoong in the pairing so when the split happened they made sure to hate Jaejoong, which is really dumb no matter how I look at it…
this is really new for me…
i just hope antis stop spreading those rumors
jyj fans around the world definetely will support them till the end and will not believe those rumors
even kid will attracted by jaejoong charisma.he’s the main spotlight of dbsk.when my first time found dbsk i also attracted by this three guys,their magnets aura so strong,their talents so shine,just in once i can feel that,the rest of “two’s”?idk,i dont get the feeling.its looks like i just feel the empty flat and cold thing in the other “two’s”
why sm just cant let jyj go like they did with hangeng??? sm why dun u let it go~let it go
Because Hangeng left for China and he’s out of sight, but JYJ remain in Korea and by allowing them freely to have their activities, it’s like rubbing into SM’s ugly face the fact these boys can be successful without the big company behind them. SM and Avex cant allow JYJ to be active in Japan either, because Avex is butthurt over being “betrayed” by the boys.
Pathetic, really.
Actually I dun think it’s sm who let hangeng go but rather they have no choice but to ‘let him go’ since they can’t do anything much. Hangeng is only one member out of 13 which is insignificant and nit popular in Korea so they dont lose much. Besides it’d be troublesome since hangeng’s from china and it’d not do them any good if sm enraged the china fans.
It’s different in Korea, Korea is ther territory and they r influential there so they can do wat they want. JYJ’s case will have a huge impact on them so they will do whatever they can to destroy them. They will not let them go such an easy way..
A++++
because HanGeng has the entire China backing him up. Mess with their golden son, SM will be blacklisted in China.
soooooooooo TRUE :))))
FYI, Most Korean fans also did not know the target of rotation was Yoonho until the SM employee Kang Jung ah revealed in hearing. Many of K-fans also thought it was JJ. Ironically, Hotels think that they can use this rumor to attack JYJ, when SM employee herself confirmed the fact that YH was the target of the rotation?
I’ve always thought it was impossible that SM wanted to remove or rotate Jaejoong out of DBSK since he is the lead singer. He is the one who blends all the members’ voices together so why would they remove him ? It just doesn’t make sense.
Whenever I heard/read things about this whole removing/rotating members I thought that it would have been more logical that Yunho was the target of thhis scheme since he has the weakest voice in DBSK. I’m not hating on Yunho, Jaejoong and him are my biases in DBSK, but even if I like him I can’t deny his vocals aren’t as good as the other members’s. And his dancing is good but a lot of idols can dance at least as well or even better than him (just look at Junsu, Eunhyuk, Rain, Hangeng or more recently 2PM, Beast, Jay Park, Infinite and Teen Top).
And yes, Yunho’s father did ask the fans for help and support. He even posted messages on Yunho’s and DBSK’s fansites. Just go ask korean Cassies and most of them will confirm it.
I believe this whole rotating scheme is also the reason why all the members and their parents agreed to the 13 years lenght contract, because they were afraid one of them would be kicked out/rotated otherwise.
A couple sites have said 13 contract was due to the rotation. Some say it was on before. Dammit so many different stories.
I believed one rumor that it was Jae who was getting rotated out but Changmin was the one who protested (threatening to shred his contract). Weird…I’m lost now.
Like it stated above, are they doing this to show that Homin once cared? Smh, ppl let it go, let it BE. The boys are separated right now, no need for old ass the character references. Their character obviously changed with growing up in the industry sense then.
Nothing, not a old ass rumor can take back recent times that these boys have gone thorough a lot and are on different paths because of it. NOTHING. So stop.
Reading number 4, I think they’re rehashing this rumor to show to everyone that Yunho had been a good leader?
Pretty much and it holds NO weight.
Seems like that.
And not only that,they are accusing Jae of being ungrateful…
There are a battle on youtube now.
This vid shows that it was YH not Jae.
Hotel girls rushing in.
@fuko They need to dirty another member’s name to make their idol shine? It makes me think that they’re not confident of their idol’s ability to shine on his own.
I agree with Shhh on this one. Why can’t people just let it be? No member is going to benefit from any of this in the long run. Nothing good will come out of this.
We need more people like Factgirl9. I find it very painful to watch how HoTels turn Japanese fans of Tohoshinki into antis of JYJ by spreading rumours, and bringing along negativity towards HoMin. The situation has no winners except for haters, but I care about the boys…
@ItsMyFinger..yes @Factgirl9,She is realy awesome, can comment korean and Japanese, def we need more fans like her to against rumor!!!, I feel helpless..hmmm!
I agree with you. Why are they bringing this up after all these years. TVXQ would not be TVXQ without the 5, these 5 (YH, JJ, YC, CH & JS). Now we can see they are as good separately as together, but at the beginning the 5 made them what they are. The past is the past. It’s good for history reference, but there are so many versions and lies, who knows what is true any more. Time to move on.
who is hotel girl?
it looks like somebody really want the relationship between HoMin and JYJ break. and i hate it.
HoTels girls are a croup of some Yunho’s fans, who have no life of their own and find it fun in spreading lies about JYJ. I also think they are all imbiciles despite realizing they should have brains for all the activity they have been doing for the past 1.5 years, but seriously, can’t they realize their actions make Yunho look very bad??? I despise them.
Does anyone know what happened to JYJ real 24
They delay but no explain yet!!hmm..we are waiting!
Sorry for all ot5.
But have you guys ever realized this or is it just me?
I always get a jealous vibes from YH to JJ and JS,even in their DBSK5 days.
I saw those vibes from his starring to those two.
Have you thought the same?
Sorry if I offend one of you.
more like insecure
Yeah, he definitely was insecure about his singing ability, and I think he still is.
I don’t think so. I believe they were truly friends back then, in particular Jaejoong and Yunho.
But maybe, since Yunho is the one who has the weakest voice in DBSK, he could have been a bit envious of Junsu’s and Jae’s voice but I don’t think he was jealous in a bad way. He is competitive so I think he was more self conscious (that he had to do more efforts than the other members when it came to singing) than jealous.
My reply is not directed really at you, it’s just your comment is the last one I saw about Yunho’s voice. I watched their “O” concert DVD yesterday, and I was pleasantly surprised how awesome Yunho sounded during the songs they sang live. I knew he’s got it, the problem is that he rarely was given an opportunity to show his voice in its full force, imho. I got this feeling from many other live performances too. Yunho vocally is not as strong as Junsu or JJ, but he’s not weak singer. I know I won’t be able to change people’s opinion, but there are people who think Yoochun and Changmin are weak singers too. Well, their solo performances from “O” concert totally blew me away yesterday (and I loved their solo performances from Mirotic concert too, mindblowing, esp. Min’s). I actually don’t understand why people call Yoochun a weak singer, if he’s weak, then who’s strong one then? He’s awesome!
@ItsMyFinger
I always wondered why folks say Yunho can’t sing either. I certainly don’t think he’s a super strong singer, but he could never have worked out in an acapella group if he couldn’t sing. One has to be able to harmonize, and you can’t be a weak singer and do that. Harmonizing is not easy to do.
I feel, the envious claim is more like it, but that makes him human. And yes, the competitive part I totally agree with. Watching those shows they did with SuJu, I think it was called EHR. He looked like he wanted to die everytime he couldn’t come in first.
Yunho, I loveeeee his tone of voice. Omg it’s awesome.
ItMYFinger~
Im just going to say this to clear up something. Their ‘O’ concert DVD was 90% lipsync.lolz~
@Yaone – I know, unfortunately, it was such a shame. That’s why I mentioned “on the songs they sang live” 😀
I don’t understand the reason why they were made to lipsynch. And especially when they had to lipsynch the songs they sang live in Japan!
I watched hundreds of videos, and many times too. Never I saw even a glimpse of any negative feeling amoung any boy towards other(s).
Well, I do not deny that YH was good in the old days of TVXQ5. His vocal ability had been improved whenever a new album came out. Because of that, I became embarrassed with his continuous lipsynching since the very first appearance on T.V. However, SM Tokyo Concert topped everything…because YH and CM lipsynched with the three members’ old recording of “Somebody to Love.” It is certain that either or both of YH and CM lost confidence in singing, somehow.
i think that’s just your opinion. Never once i think/see negative vibes from one member to another. Yunho I think have insecurities issues but to have negative vibes towards the members….I dont think so. He might change now, but i still believes and hope he still the kind and caring Yunho that I know.
I can’t agree at all.
For one I’ve never really heard yunho speak about junsu’s vocals it was usually jj and usually it was to say something good. Ice always felt he most admires jj becayse of his vocal skills and jj admired him because of his dancing skills I didn’t really get jealous vibes from any member.
@Fuko : I don’t understand japanese, could you please sum up what’s being said in the video and in the comments ?
I was only able to understand some korean comments in which korean homin fans were accusing JYJ fans to spread rumours and then korean JYJ fans answered that HoTel Girls were the ones who started spreading rumours and that this video was only correcting these rumours.
Some korean fans also wrote that they knew it was Yunho who was supposed to be rotated but they shut up for his sake but since HoTel Girls are now attacking Jaejoong and calling him ungrateful then they will not shut up anymore etc.
It would be nice to have an english translation for this vids though, and I would love to know what japanese fans are thinking about it.
This vid basically explaining the same fact as this information.(tone is a little bit harsher?)
Many Japanese fans have believed that that was Jae.
Because of a famous blog post and a youtube vid based on that,titled “Hero Jejung Story”.
Story itself is very moving but Jae is the one who supposed to be kicked out in this story.
Sadly,this story can be seen in many Jae fan’s blogs.
Japanese fans tend to capture only Japanese information.And Hotel girls are very “informative”.So I’m afraid that even JYJ fans still misunderstand many things.
Some(many?) OT5 fans refuse to sign petition because they think they lose TVXQ5 if JYJ win.
But recently situation is getting better thanks to Korean fans.
Are they serious? Do they think that they’ll get TVXQ5 if SM wins. They are too naive to think that after all that has happened either side winning is going to bring them back together.
They need to get out of the cocoon as see reality for what it is.
@fuko Could you send this vid to those various blogs?…they can get their fact straight…
As for the fans who don’t wanna sign the petition, like it or not, JYJ is going to win and by winning there are ways to work as 5 if the 2 and SM are willing to. With JYJ losing, not in a million years they are going back to SM, so no 5 that way.
I wrote a comment at one blog but she’s not deleted the story.She says “At the end of the post I added “These story might not be 100% true.” so it’s ok.Thanks for your concern. “……
And people who refuse to sign the petition are like,”People have diffrenent thoughts.Don’t push me.I have my own reason not to sign.”or
“Don’t broach a delicate subject.it’s no fun.Let’s talk about a cheerful subject.Here is not the place to argue.” Yeah.Japanese love “peace”.
Even the word “trial” annoys them.
They don’t know they’ll lose their favorite group if SM wins.
They believe SM and Avex will bring back TVXQ5.
Of course all of Japanese fans are not like that.
But in Japan,media reports only SM or Avex side stories.(Homin’s fathers’ statements in 2009 are reported last week. Why now?)
Only few(one?) media reported about the SM’s defeat.
Japanese media sucks.
gracias por esta informacion
realmente hace falta que alguien diga la verdad
ya basta de falsos rumores
chicas hotel consiganse una vida!!!
thnks for this info
really needed someone to speak the truth
I’m sick of false rumors
hotel girls GET A LIFE!!!!
Ehm,is it insecure?
Have you guys watched Bonjour Paris?
The one JaeChunSu harmonized the Camp Ellysee’s song and YH starred at them?
I do not think like this befor my bro butted in and said ‘the one who didnt sing seemed like jealous,etc’
Because of his comments i watched another footages and cant help feel the same X((
Well, dunno, I found the video and failed to find any jealous feelings there – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yxk2KdG45U&feature=related
While we are at Bonjour Paris theme, here’s the DBSK reunion I find so funny, how the boys greeted Junsu coming to them from Brazil – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0yoNsNLRnc&feature=related
my reply with a Youtube link to the video moment you mentioned is awaiting validation right now. I rewatched it and couldn’t find any jealous feelings.
Really? Maybe I should watch the dvd again >.<
I never got jealous vibe from Yunho. In that Bonjour Paris clip you mentioned, at the beginning of that scene, Yunho is sitting with his phone looking really serious at it. And also they had been walking around a lot and now were finally sitting down. I always felt that he was tired and distracted by something (message?) on his phone or trying to get his phone to work. And also, by the end, when they work “O” into “Champs Elysee,” he laughs with them.
Competitive, yes. Proud of his members (back then), yes. But jealous of them? I didn’t see it, myself.
@ItsmyFinger Actually I think it’s even more obvious in his solo songs that Yunho’s singing isn’t as good and powerful as the others members ^^”
Jaejoong and Junsu are without doubts the best singers in DBSK (Junsu’s voice is awesome, even if I personaly like Jaejoong’s voice more).
Changmin’s high pictch screams are amazing and his voice can be quite powerful too.
Yoochun’s voice is very warm, smooth but can be husky at times (just like Jaejoon’s and I just love raspy/husky voices ! *_*).
Yoochun can definitely hits high notes too, as well as Changmin, Jaejoong and Junsu.
I’m not saying Yunho can’t sing or doesn’t have a good voice, it’s just that he isn’t on the same level as the others 4 and definitely not on the same level as Junsu & Jaejoong. But the 5 of them together just work and create a perfect harmony.
I agree with what you say, but still, after watching so many live performances, I have my opinion that Yunho is very good at singing. Sure, not as good as the lead vocals, Junsu and JJ are among the best male vocals out there, though JJ does have his limits, but YH is not as bad at singing as some people like to picture him. His solo performances unfortunately were all of a dance style, so it made it hard to evaluate his vocals. But I enjoyed his singing with Min in “How Can I”, very nice.
Seems I turned into Yunho’s defencer here, gotta stop before people start getting upset >_<
When I first start listening to TVXQ, JJ instantly became my bias in terms of vocals, but few months later a fierce battle between him and Junsu began, trying to win my heart (and ears :D). There’s still no winner, I love their singing so much and my bias switches to the side who’s singing at the moment. As soon as the other opens his mouth, the bias changes. It’s fun 😀
for me it’s just on different taste…
for me my taste is jae.. ppl can say he’s weak on technique whatever… but for my ears, he’s perfect…^^ there is no best singer, just favorite singer i believe..
let’s just don’t degrade other member, what u think might not same with others and might hurt their fans.. let’s become better fandom^^
okay compare to JJ, Junsu, Changmin and Yuuchun, Yunho might be a bit lacking but still he is a good singer and performer. Please dont degrade him, I watch all their concert especially in Japan, he sing live just as marvelous as the others. I might have issues with him now (with the KYHD, his interview, his dad comments etc )but I acknowledge he’s capabilities as on of DBSK members. He have he’s own charm. He work hard to be able to live up to name of THSK back then. He might not been able to pull high notes like changmin or do amazing ad-libs like Junsu, versatilities in vocal range like Jaejoong or smooth voice like Yoochun, but with his deep low voice…all the the perfection on THSK live come to fruition. We might be biased but dont let the biased blind the truth. I dont want us JYJers be seen as low as Hotel girls. This site are flood with DBSK5 fans, Homin fans and JYJ fans. I hope people wont miss judge us.
“I dont want us JYJers be seen as low as Hotel girls.”
Amen
Let’s not stoop so low as the haters’ level.
People might think that my comment is harsh. So, I apologize if I offended anyone here. I’m not really surprised if Yunho was the one who supposed to be rotated from DBSK act 1 back then, like it or not he’s lacking in vocal department. I have nothing against Yunho, it is only a statement of fact that compare with the other 4 members of DBSK act 1, Yunho is the one with the least vocal quality. Of course Yunho had improved his vocal but so did the other members. So, sadly he’s still the weakest link in vocal (compare to others).
I’m glad that JYJ fansites are starting to take action and clearing things up. I guess it is time for JYJ stance to fight back against those rumors and antis. We have seen the effect of this silence, Japan has been corrupted by this Ho-Tel Girls. By being silence it is the same as allowing Ho-Tel Girls or any other antis to hurt JYJ. So, once again, I’m relief that more and more JYJ fansites are voicing out their thoughts lately and stating the “unknown facts” (for some International fans) to clear up those rumors.
I personally just found out about Yunho’s rotation earlier this year and I was like okay and that because I thought it was Jaejoong but Changmin threatened SM by saying that he would go back of being just a student if Jaejoong was rotated. But of course the testimony by SM’s employee Kang Jung Ah explained everything.
Now that more and more people know the truth, I hope this Ho-Tel Girls would stop their actions because everything they did only brought a bad light to their “caring leader”.
Lol, it looks like people think I’m hating on Yunho when I clearly stated that I wasn’t an hater and that both Jaejoong AND Yunho are my biases in DBSK. I didn’t say he couldn’t sing either, nor that he doesn’t have a good voice, I just said his singing isn’t as good as the other 4’s and I think you can’t deny this fact. If you consider this as being an hater and degrading Yunho then what can I do, it’s your opinion.
Hm, I thought we were having an exchange of opinions, at least this is what I thought^^
No hating.
I just wanted to clear things up and answer 9mmleftshinki’s comment.
And I love TVXQ photo on your LJ’s main page!
I love it too ^^ and they were in Paris and since I’m french I love it even more XD
Hotel girls, do you not love YH because who he is? why have to bring others down to make him the person that you like?
very tiresome with this kind of fans, what kind of life is it? **sigh**
yeah, nothing good comes if we only compare. Different people different tastes. Let’s not degrade.
These rumors i read about them since 2007. Don’t really care..?
i also dun really care about this as well… but if this become a weapon for those HOTEL to destroy Jae’s reputation in Japan, yah it’s matter to me… haizzz… Jae is the person who adore friendship so much >_<
"Friendship is love with understanding.
Being without friends is worse than having enemies.
Life has no pleasure nobler than that of friendship.
A friendship is a love without a wing."
this is taken from Jae's ring or something i forgot.. how can people who think friendship like that become ungrateful???! hotel girl really.. is too much..
Definitely! If worse comes to worse, we sharpen our swords in the fight for truth. Believe me, JJ is my aphrodisiac, and as a result, i stayed and loved his loves (DB5K & JYJ); would fight for him.
I apologize; i meant that i wasn’t influenced by that in a negative way. But i understand not everyone is me, or you. We must protect in whatever ways we can.
Sorry if i’ve offended you guys,it’s just my personal opinion ^^
Well then,speaking of vocal,it must be JJ and JS.
I’ll put JS followed really close by JJ in term of singing because Jae sometimes has a problem with breathing,except that he is as perfect as JS,even win in term of versatility.
I’ll put JJ followed by JS in term of voice because when JS has a unique voice,Jae has this crystal clear voice that’s really brilliant.
I’ve got a chance to watch them live,and gosh,Jae’s voice is soooo clear i cant even explain.
YC and CM are also good,ehm YH is improving.
Meh. Those Hotel Girls have always seem desperate, spreading false information and rumors as if they’re the ‘truth’.
What I don’t understand is why the REAL HoMin fans aren’t stepping up and stopping the Hotel Girls from smearing, not only JYJ, but also HoMin’s image. Because once these ‘truths’ are revealed as lies, this will sadly reflect very poorly on HoMin too. I honestly have always seen the Hotel Girls as antis for all five members of TVXQ because everything they’ve done so far has never been for the benefit of either side.
They actively smear JYJ’s name and indirectly smear HoMin’s. I also never hear any positive projects for HoMin. Never.
And then the (albeit troublesome) Japanese fans. Is the situation really that bad? Don’t they have Japanese forums and other modes of communication? How come it feels so hard to reach them? Don’t they at least have English-speaking BigEast? I feel very anxious whenever I hear about JYJ’s position in Japan because I don’t want their beautiful fans turning their backs on JYJ when JYJ have always expressed how much they miss Japan.
“What I don’t understand is why the REAL HoMin fans aren’t stepping up and stopping the Hotel Girls from smearing, not only JYJ, but also HoMin’s image.” – I spent some time thinking about it and I don’t get it either.
What I do understand is that many intl. HoMin’s fans’ attitude is “anything good about HoMin is good no matter the backgroud and reasons, anything bad about JYJ is good too because they deserve it, money-hungry traitors”.
They turn a complete blind eye to anything that might question “the good truth” about HoMin and change it into anything negative that hurt JYJ. They don’t even question the rumours, they accept them as these are – HoTels can do no wrong (because they are proHoMin, which is questionable actually by any reasonable person), HoMin can do no wrong, but JYJ and their fans do wrong all the time just to make HoMin look bad. This is the power of bias and I’m still amazed at this phenomenon.
I don’t get it at all, which is the reason I tend not to go to HoMin’s threads and try to gather my news about their activities from more or less neutral sites.
I dont understand why people have to bring out the past and create rumors like this again… I mean… it doesn’t matter who among the boys right? because it was before their debut…
They became the legendary TVXQ and Asia’s Star with each members hardwork and talent… Surely SM was so damn lucky they didn’t continue that rumored rotation or else… LSM wouldn’t be that damn rich!
woww sorry late on the news but is there someone who has the JAN 11 Court hearing?
was it ever posted on this site? because i really want to read more on it… what im wondering is, why would the SM employee give out this info?
but it just proves JJ’s switch is baseless
In this matter I’am actually glad I’m a fan that has known them since they debut and was in Korea to purchase this book.
I really want to know HoMin reaction if they heard “fallen leaves” song… the lyrics is so true about there situation and their honest friendship..
At least we know what JYJ feeling towards HoMin…I really don’t know what HoMIn real feeling for JYJ! (why!keep your head down really got vice versa meaning from fallen leaves and doubleu..T_T )
Yes JJ got the most wanks in Japan solely because he is the most famous there. Even a muggle, not knowing he is a singer,love him. Since the big side shifting in k cassiopeia, they cant do anything new there. Hence going to japan, to the more gullible BE. I like them to try to china fans though..I heard they’re pretty strict with no bashing rules,and we all know JJ owns china too.
It’s just those HoTel girls and pro-SME fans’ way of CONVINCING THEMSELVES that they chose the right side. They are validating their actions just because they know they are on losing ground after SME’s failure against Crebeau and after JYJ’s injunction was reaffirmed by the court. They are pathetic.
I agree. What it’s necessary to do is to explain it all to Japanese fans. If only there was something like The JYJ Files, only in Japanese. If the rumours about JYJ contract with Avex expiry date in April is true and the guys will try to resume their activities there, I dread the reaction of their ex-fans. BigEast is all pro-Twohoshinki now (or at least the majority of them), I read many BigEast left this mess completely and won’t return until the real Tohoshinki comes back, and there were stories from the last year about some BigEast doing an active work in trying to stop JYJ in Japan. I think it’s true, just compare the sales of their album and the Why? single. HoTels have done a good work in Japan, damn them.
then…..to is just my opinion japanese fans need to wake up and smell the coffee…if they don’t now, i’ll say they might never see JYJ in japan.i hope jap fans realise what have their lack of actions done. they think they’re protecting thsk5 but they’re doing the opposite…
It would honestly be unfair to compare album sales to single sales because singles generally sell more in Japan. And I would like to know how HoMin does as 2HSK in their future activities to judge whether or not they can retain BE’s support.
Other than that, I still think BE is pro-OT5. Technically, they only really lost Tohoshinki on March 2010, and Avex used the word “pause” of activities, so I can’t really blame them if they think that the five would still come back. And personally, I don’t think the majority of BE have turned against JYJ, it’s just that those who ARE anti-JYJ and pro-HoMin have become louder during the past few months. I don’t have proof of course, but it’s just my take on the whole thing.
This rumors is laughable… really it doesn’t take a genius to figure this one out. JJ IS THEIR LEAD VOCAL, WHY WOULD THEY ROTATE THEIR MAIN GUY???… FOR GOODNESS SAKE… I can’t believe some people bought this one.
The reason I believed this story is because Jaejoong is strong and independent. He might have been causing enough trouble that SME thought it was best to get rid of him. I would believe it about Yoochun for the same reason.
SME runs on marketing and their employees doing what they are told. I believe that they wouldn’t hesitate to mothball talent if the artist was causing trouble.
@Eliza I thought the same. When I read back through 2005 i-fan’s posts/blogs back then there was a feeling that DBSK were intended all along to be a rotation group but because Hug was such a big success so early, SM was having a hard time (from the fans) rotating the members — but was still trying to do it. (The rumors I found from that time were that YC or JS were targeted to be rotated off, but later I came across the JJ rotation rumor, too.)
To me it was believable because I don’t feel SM truly values the unique talents of its stars; from SM’s point of view, new stars can always be recruited, trained, and made. In other words, anyone is replaceable. I’m not saying I think SM can do it, but I think SM is arrogant enough to believe they can.
@Eliza and sakana17
I agree with both your statements…
Business comes first with SME. They throw that Family mantra around like they invented the concept. No they didn’t. How do we maximize the bottom line, especially when marketing is one of our strong points. We can sell spots to a leopard, been doing it along.
So, valuing their artists as real human beings and not products, is not their forte. The major thing that keeps tripping them up…THE FANS. Fans throw a monkey wrench in their plans all the time. They are good at manipulating the young and impressionable. It’s the young ones who are more mature, and those original fans who are growing up, they are having a hard time with.
So, when their original plans have to be altered, they then modify them to squeeze the most out of the group. But I find it interesting that they are letting their arrogance get the better of themselves.
i hate SM….but i love all of DBSK’s boys…i always stand by my boys…
i hate SME….but i love DBSK’s guys…JYJ Fighting!!!!
Thank you admins for the truth. No need for rumors or lies. The truth really speaks for itself.
So glad I follow JYJ who are very truthful and who have no need to make up lies or slander anybody else in order to be successful. The only thing I didn’t like about being a fan of DB5K was the amount of delusion in the fandom – couples who obviously are not gay, these kinds of rumors, etc. Since the lawsuit started all that delusion is on DB2K’s side. It reminds of the Sena character in RTP, always making up lies and twisting the truth to hurt the rival who is completely blameless.
*rolling eyes* why is this so important?never mind me i’m just old ot5 i accept they disbanded altough not official but i still support 5 as an individual artists sometimes my heart breaking everytime homin fans or jyj fans or ot5 fans blame each other. i cant help to comment sometime altough i try hard not to. for me tvxq is over its their choice they stay or leave it took me long enough to accept that n i did.i respect their decision.but they stay in my heart as 5.a memory.but u’ll never understand it.
nah this the first time i hear the news
kinda irony, yunho gets other support for debuting as dbsk but now , he let go the ones who helped him
i see no confidents in here
and oot who the guy with jaejong in the 2003,winter photo? look like siwon
Just want to add what I DO know.
It was always Yoochun & JJ who was rumored to be rotated out. Yunho was only mentioned AFTER the lawsuit, many believed to damage his character/credential while boosting JYJ fan base & support.
While I agree it’s unimaginable that the main vocalist could even be considered taken out but one need to remember that SM have many good singers as their trainee. Kyuhyun didn’t even make a debut yet and now he’s one of SM’s gem. There were many others I’m sure as SM have quite a number of amazing singers.
I know JJ is very popular now but that was then we’re taking about so by what I’ve seen during their pre-debut days, YH was always the favorite one in variety shows. Hosts loves him and always made him dance etc while he nicely complied. He was & still is known as the leader of DBSK & k-pop to lead the Korean wave with great manners & humility.
What I’m trying to say here is that there was no proof for this rumor at all since it was closed off and were never mentioned again.
If one was to suspect that it was YH who was targeted cause of his weak vocal capabilities then one need to be reminded that he’s the lead dancer and the one in the middle formation. Every boy group need to have a captivating dancing machine in the group & that is YH. JS might be great too but he dont have the strong stage presence.
I just want everyone to stop saying that they are glad to know the TRUTH after reading ‘certain articles’ since they are mostly speculations & bias only. SM never reveal what’s really going on so NOBODY should have gotten any ‘facts’ as evidence.
Just want to remind everyone that it was YC & JJ who was ‘rumored’ at that time and never was the other 3 members mentioned.
Those who commented that YH changed so much…well, who wouldn’t. If he’s still being all jokey, carefree etc person as before you all would complain that he’s heartless and uncaring. It’s so easy to put all the blame on him since he refused to leave SM to be w/ JYJ isn’t it? YH & CH CHOSE to stay since they have no problem with the company. Why must everyone think that they are too afraid to leave and was bribed with solo promotional stuff? YH & CH are both brave & are the last person I would call cowards. If you believed CH would quit to be in school why would you suddenly think he’ll stay in such sad/harsh work environment. Your logic doesn’t add up at all.
Rumors have got to stop. It’s only hurting the 5 guys more. Doesn’t matter who you chose to support. Supporting does not mean putting the blame on the other party. Enjoy their work and music. As a fan of many artistes, i never understood why it HAVE to be TVXQ or JYJ. It’s like choosing either 2AM or 2PM since they are doing different genres.
No offence but fandom can be stupid and off putting to new & ifans. No wonder I’ve heard people saying they like JJ/YC/JS/YH/CM BUT they refused go be a cassie but don’t mind being BigEast since BE only concentrate on the guys music careers and left the dramas out of the fandoms ‘business’. Which is smart.
Your right nobody knows what happen, but by saying ‘It was always Yoochun & JJ who was rumoured to be rotated out’ you have left this comment open for more arguments. Nobody knows, which members was supposed to be rotated out. FULL STOP. Not long story about who was the favourite, blah, blah… To me, I think they move on, so lets leave at that.
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