The 3hree voices japanese staff deleted his entry titled ‘Jaejoong is so responsible‘, apparently some people attacked him for calling Jaejoong the leader. He later wrote an entry to apologize for ‘getting carried away’. Honestly It’s time for some fans to wake up and face the reality. JYJ is now another group apart from DBSK/TVXQ/Tohoshinki, they don’t even need to name officially Jaejoong as the leader because he always was carrying that tittle unofficially since his Tohoshinki days in Japan. So why are people upset?? We should be proud that Jaejoong is now more confident and we should feel happy that non-fans can recognize that Jaejoong has qualities to be a leader.
Source: Starfieldsho
Credit: JYJ3
JYJ3 Staff Comment:
The persons who pressured the Japanese staff to pull down his entry should ask themselves:
Why do they not complain when Yunho and Changmin do far worse things to insult and denigrate TVXQ5?
Case in point:
(1) Yunho and Changmin introduce themselves as follows:
“Hello, this is UKnow Yunho, the leader of TVXQ. Hello, this is Max Changmin, the rest of TVXQ.”
(2) Yunho and Changmin have said that Tohoshinki’s success was due to “riding on the back of” BoA and that they “hope to be as successful as SNSD.”
Shouldn’t you get mad about the above? If you supposedly care so much about TVXQ5 and their history, then how can you accept statements such as above?
Please also consider that:
(1) Yunho and Changmin are getting unprecedented support to pursue their activities in Japan and Korea.
(2) In the meantime, the other 3 members of “TVXQ” have been thoroughly blocked from doing activities in both Japan and Korea. Less than a week ago, JYJ’s QTV was cancelled.
As for attacking the Japanese staff, consider that:
(1) The Japanese staff wrote that he perceived Jaejoong to be acting like a leader, the eldest. This is his perception!
(2) Furthermore, the above is something that has been said since TVXQ5 days. The entry he wrote was sweet and beautiful. Did you really want to destroy that?
We ask you to please examine yourselves and come to terms with the fact that the only persons denigrating TVXQ5 are 2VXQ.
I support JJ as JYJ’s leader.
Me too. And I agree, I always felt Jae was the leader in Japan, at first because he picked up the language much faster than Yunho, but in later years, it seemed he would take the lead in interviews and activities. He grew into the role and it’s natural to see him as the leader of the threesome too, although all three members have leadership qualities.
me too^^
I second the motion!!
Jaejoong is known as the unofficial leader of tvxq5 because of him being RESPONSIBLE!! He always takes care of the members.. Emotionally, mentally and physically ( or financially.. Lol..)
lets face it! Jae joong has better qualities of a leader than uknownothing!!
TRUE. I support your statement.
If the time comes that JYJ acknowledge that they have a leader and that it’s Jaejoong, you wouldn’t hear any complaints from me either.
HE HAS BEEN THE LEADER for me since DBSK1.
^__^ me too!
I saw this coming when i read it the first time,actually in all his entries he refers to Jae with adjectives that imply that he is the leader of JYJ,and i see nothing wrong with this.
1)Jae is the older in JYJ
2)even when TVXQ were 5,Yunho always presented him self as the leader but it was Jae who did all the talking(something that usually the leader supposed to do)
3)if you watch their concert DVDS you will see that backstage all the dancers and TVXQ members when they wanted to change something or ask something they would go to Jae not Yunho,further more the the cheering speech before the concert was always giving by Jae
4)as HoMin and SM fans stated Tvxq now is a different band than JYJ,so it’s not their concern who gets to be the leader in JYJ
I{m agree too. Jaejoong is the leader of JYJ
TVXQ is other group now.
I agree.. I think we should start to accept that they are now 2 different group… I don’t know if I can still hoping that they can be 5 anymore.. not after Changmin’s goose thing…
yes I think so too!!!
Keeping it short: Haters gonna hate!
+ I wished the staff kept the entry up. He did and said nothing wrong. 😦
I can understand him talking it down to avoid the abuse, but I wish he hadn’t apologized. That only justifies the anti’s actions.
@Eliza I have to agree there. it will only make them continue to do the things they do.
@lolwut
Funny most ot5 fans come here and first thing they say are “I’m a JYJ fan or my bias is in JYJ” and then they go “BUT…..”
Dont make me laugh…
“only persons denigrating TVXQ5 are 2VXQ.”
haters gonna hate indeed.
Here. Have a spoon. Stir the shit all you like.
@Eliza I wasnt bashing JJ or something. I was even agree with u. But You hate haters, and u act like one too. Anyway you guys always so kind. Thank you for the spoon.
@natali Sometime the hate is justified. However, you completely missed where this anger is being aimed because you are just here to stir shit.
@eliza nah I came here for something to read. Ive been enjoying articles here the whole day, until I read this :|. And yeah Im of those OT5 fans and it pissd me off. dude in which world hate is justified ? srsly 😐 Bye
@hatali You don’t believe that hate can be justified? I’m very glad you’ve never been really hurt yet.
Agreeing with Natali here. I like what this blog does, but not at the expense of others, especially those that JYJ probably still calls friends? There’s no such thing as black and white here.
Friends don’t make other friends look like shit on national television. Especially when said friends can’t even enjoy the same right of getting on national television to defend themselves.
Even people who aren’t biased towards any side of this DBSK debacle think that HoMin’s actions have been fucked up during their whole KYHD promotions. At this point, it’s not even about JYJ still thinking of them as friends – do the things Yunho and have Changmin have said make you think that /they/ still think of JYJ as friends? If your answer is ‘yes’, then lol I have nothing left to say.
@lolwut Why is everybody so damn vague? This thread started with four words of snark and it hasn’t improved much. What are you saying? Post a comment with a proper critique that might actually be useful. (And you might be surprised who will agree with you.)
@uee
Of course it’s been screwed up, they still work for SME, the company that I’m sure 90% of people who visit this blog hate with a passion because of the obvious manipulative crap they pull. Knowing that, why would you expect any honesty coming from anyone that has ties with them? I’m really confused about why I see fans — everywhere, not just within this blog — always taking Homin’s words and actions at face value instead of being suspicious about where it’s coming from.
Has the relationship between JYJ and Homin irrecoverably changed? Yeah, definitely so. There’s no way that’s not true. But again, this whole thing has become bigger than just JYJ wanting to break away from SME and there’s blankets of grey area. I don’t think it’s anyone’s right to decide for another party who/what they do or don’t care about, regardless of how they choose to portray themselves.
I really like JYJ and honestly, the three have been my bias ever since I first became a fan of DBSK, but I’m uncomfortable with the hate and grudge-holding this blog is perpetuating. And it is. The rhetoric in the post above is pretty clear about that. I don’t understand why, when an artist is facing such hardships, the path for supporting them has to be littered with such negativity.
@lolwut
I’lll address one of your questions…why do we take what they say as face value…
Because thaats all you can truly take it as. Every human is responsible for his/her own actions. If homin didnt want to do/say the things they were doing/saying then they could simply leave the company or take a stand within the company by saying “I’m still here but I don’t wanna do those things/say those things”.
Some of us don’t like making excuses for someone when theres no reason to.
You ask why do we take things at face value…why dont you take things at face value…why do you create excuse thaat you have no reason to create (by that last part I mean that you have no reason to think you shouldn’t take things in this situation as that, def since its something thats been repeated over and over.)
@lolwat Now that was a good comment.
The rhetoric in the above post is in response to the rhetoric that JYJ-antis spout. If you read more carefully, that’s exactly who the comments are aimed at as well. The persons who pressured the Japanese staff to pull down his entry should ask themselves:
The conclusion was an attempt to pound it through thick skulls. Yes, the opinion was crudely put, but that doesn’t mean that it’s unsupported.
@Akria
I respectfully disagree. Again, that is making the issue too black and white. It’s obvious that this entire thing has been brewing for years, meaning none of the decisions that have been made were easy ones. Before they filed the lawsuit, JYJ made an effort to work things out, but it didn’t happen. For them there was a line and it was crossed, so they left. Maybe Homin stayed because the line wasn’t crossed for them. Maybe they genuinely felt like they owed so much to this company that they were willing to put up with it all. Maybe there are 50 other reasons, but I don’t know and neither does anyone else.
Did I think Homin were lying when they said what they did on that variety show? Hell, yeah. But I think the whole world, them most of all, knew they were lying. But this is a situation where there’s absolutely no transparency on one side and maybe half on the other. So, statistically speaking, yes it makes more sense not to take it literally.
@LOLWUT
LMAO you’re just proving my point.
At the end of the day no matter the reason a decision had to be made…they all made there’s and every human has to live with their decisions no matter if good or bad things come from them, thats not black and white…that fact.
A lie is lie at the end of the day it gets no clearer than that. So you can only see it as what it is…a lie. No matter how wrong or how happy it makes someone feel. Even a white lie is a lie at the end of the day.
@Eliza
I see your point and I understand where it’s coming from. I think it’s just easy for this entire fandom to make it personal and have it be JYJ vs. Homin when that’s really not the case.
@Akria
But my original point was why people choose to believe when they know what they’re hearing is lies? I’m not arguing that what Homin did was at all justified or that they should be forgiven for their words, but again, I don’t understand why you think it’s so easy to solve. Do you know how many people you could say “if you don’t like it, why don’t you just leave” to about their jobs?
And I also know that if people really wanted out of those jobs they’d quit. But instead they want to pay their bills more than they want to remove themselves from that job. Life is really that simple we are the ones complicating refusing to see truth because we push so any excuses in front of it.
And I was answering your question, people see it that way cause thats just about the only way you can see it, def when there’s an example shining right in front of them.
@Akria
I’m sorry, but I really don’t think things like needing to pay the bills so you have some place to live and food to eat or having income so you can take care of a child or your family count as excuses. I know that this is straying from the topic of this post, but I think it’s really disrespectful to judge others like that. I’m fairly confident everyone wants to have a career doing what they love and be paid enough to take care of themselves and those around them (should that be a factor), but sometimes it just doesn’t work out, often because of factors out of one’s control, so to just say that people are where they are because they’re too cowardly or lazy or they’re making excuses is completely unfair.
@lolwut
either you aren’t getting it or you”re not reading correctly
Job——leaving
those are your decisions
what you place between that are your excuses >.> gosh tired of trying to explain this to you either way yunho and homin are in control of their life what they do they are responsible for and people look at them and judge them on those decisions. Everyone is judged on their decisions through out their ife and those who religions works that way are also judged in the after life because of his decisions. Yunho nor changmin or different from the jyj members they’re no more special than anyone else they’re judged by the same things.
@lolwut @natali
I didn’t read the whole thing but..
no one here is hating or judging HoMin its just frustrating of what homin is saying or doing against their “brothers” JYJ …. yeah u would say of course they will say that because they r still n SM. however, in my opinion I think if I truly love the three i wouldn’t say anything bad about them, I wouldn’t with due all my respect Lie. u would say maybe they r telling the truth .. then what about the evidence that the fans found? … anyway u have to respect everyone opinions … honestly when I heard about homin’s lIE in golden fishery I was angry and frustrated but still I don’t hate them I still hope in my delusional world that SM forced them to say that but I don’t think so ….. and no not JYJ’s fans the one whose bashing homin its homin’s fans who started it especially with “hotel girls” thingie and their lies … seriously even my friend who love Yunho was frustrated on what he said XD
This may not be the right place to ask but I’m very curious why some people think that Homin were lying cause they were forced to? Do these same people think that the two had no choice but to lie and that they actually didn’t want to lie? This really puzzles me – do they believe that someone (SM?) is pointing a gun to their (Homin’s) heads making sure they lie than speak the truth or else they’ll be in for… Some kind of punishment? Torture treatment? Is SM really that creepy, like some mafia or underworld organization? I keep reading about Homin doing the things they do as if they have no choice and it makes ask so many questions. Sorry if my questions annoy but as a new fan trying to understand it all, I like to read as much as I can and clarify my thoughts. Just ignore me if this irritates you.
@An No one really knows if HoMin were forced to lie by SME or not. There’s really no proof given with regard to that, only opinions being voiced out.
@lolwut I totally understand the love that OT5 fans are still holding for all the boys but sers your excuses for HoMin are getting ridiculous!
I was a OT5 too,i believed that HoMin stayed with SM cause they wanted to fight from the inside that they will sooner or later join JYJ if they couldn’t make it, but then this belivie has crashed down when HoMin RENEWED THEIR CONTRACTS WITH SM IN 2010 and further more by their first conference where they made JYJ sound like childish people getting corrupted by the greed for money,i was one of those who no matter hated Yunho’s father statments i always defended Yunho by saying that he is not responsable of what his father does no matter that tecnicaly if Yunho wasn’t okey with what his father has to say he could stopped him after the first statment but he never did.
OT5 fans need to understand that HoMin choose to stay with SM out of their free will maybe cause they were afraid to make it without a big agency backing them up or maybe cause they really think that cause SM created TVXQ then they should be forever “loyal”to them even though they “abuse” them,nonetheless they CHOOSE to renew a contract that now binds for the next 7 years in Korea plus 3 for abroad activities,a total of 10 years to spend with SM!I don’t understand how can you keep saying that HoMin words are coming from SM and not them,that they are being constricted by SM to say those things if they were really forced to do things out of their will they would not have choosed to renew the contract in the first place,they would have waited until the past contract expired and then followed JYJ or they would have sued just like JYJ,these would have been the only logical things to do if they were unhappy about SM.The thing is HoMin choose SM cause they think it’s the best for their future and they are okey with it,as fans you should accept their reason and not try to make them pass as puppets in the hand of SM cause it’s very degrading to them and really au.
That said OT5 fans should just stop coming to this site to try to teach the rest of us “how to be a good cassie”this a JYJ fansite and even though most of us were ot5 we now choose to support only JYJ,that doesn’t mean we will not forever cherish TVXQ act 1 it just means as normal for human beings when faced with options we choosed a side,the side that we are closer to emotionally and mentally and there is nothing wrong with that,it’s actually strange and wrong to never choose sides and just wait for miracles to happen!We live in the real world,where people day by day have to choose sides to keep on going with their lifes,trying to freeze time or living only in the past memories is delusional!!
Also am sick and tired of you ot5 always shitting on us JYJ fans when we express ourselves on our fansites about HoMin but not doing the same with HoMin fans,why don’t you go to HoMin fansites and bash them cause they spread untrue rumors about JYJ?why don’t you question their decision in supporting TVXQ act 2 and SM?You are always attaking us about the fact that we don’t buy TVXQ2 products by using words such as “real cassies support all the 5″but then everytime we JYJ fans accomplish something or make JYJ accomplish something you are always ready to ride on our wave,pathetic!
We live in the real world where everyday you are asked to make choices and that applies to the fandom too,we made ours now you need to make yours but if you want to live in denial then you should visit only ot5 sites,there are plenty of them net who ignore reality and don’t share info just to keep ot5 fans together.
FYI Cassiopeia is TVXQ fanclub,real cassies are the ones who support TVXQ 5 members once TVXQ is made only by 2 members then the paradigm changes.If they had “broken up” peacefully then the situation would have been different,but it’s not.The promise that the members made to us was that without one of them there is no TVXQ,JYJ respected that no matter right after the lawsuit they could have used the name as SM doesn’t own it,HoMin didn’t.Now if HoMin went ahead and started to promote solo or as duo with another name a real cassie should have supported them and you would have every right in saying that we are not “real cassies”,but as they didn’t then cassies should ask them selves:should i keep on supporting people who didn’t keep their promise to me and actually shitted on what they used to stand for?or should i move on and keep the good memories cherished in my heart??
@Cris
Loved what you wrote .. I so love reading mature fans opinions *hugs* .. and I agree with all of what you’ve said ^0^
@Cris…in response to @lolwut
You have managed to say it better than has been said before. I salute, and thank you.
@Cris
Super late reply, but I don’t recall ever stating that I was a supporter of OT5. That is something you have implied on your own simply because of the POV I’m presenting. They can stay the way they are right now for the rest of their lives and it would be fine. I’m not telling you what you should or shouldn’t think. I’m just highlighting points that maybe you haven’t considered or perhaps choose not to consider, so I respectfully ask you not to accuse me of being a stereotypical holier-than-thou OT5 and/or Homin fan. Rant if you want, but don’t take it out on me.
@Akria
My previous comment had nothing to do with Homin. It was addressing the way you were lumping together everyone who is in any situation that they may not like, but are tolerating for whatever reason. If you want to judge Homin for their actions, that’s fine, they’re in the public eye, but you don’t have the right to lay blanket judgment on every person that fits the profile and say they’re not achieving their full potential or doing the right thing because of what you see as excuses.
@hoshi
no. I wont say that what they said was cos they’re still under SME. They said that becaouse they are human beings and have feelings.
And about the evidences jyj fans broguht up.like them, anti JYJ people have shown those kind of things too. Evidences which shows totally different scenarios. Nobody knows what is true what is false. Everyone has the right to choose what to believe right? I’ll ignore all kind of fans ‘research’. And of course your friend who likes Yunho feels frustated abt HT girls. HT people =/= all HM fans.
@Cris
Yeah actually there are some OT5 fans out there who need to understand that HM arent puppets. And it’s even a shame how they use that while defending HM against some attacks. About OT5 ‘preaching’ how to be a true cassie. I also agree with u.I understand that must be annoying for you. I mean, who in this place cheering let’s-blame-HM posts still calls herlself a cassie. You’ve defnitely made a choose already. And that’s totally ok.
But who seems to nt understand HM choice to be under SM are you guys. who are always blaming them cos of that. calling them traitors, liars and men without balls.yeah. Plase re read ur post. Anyway.So you guy accept you bash HM in your blogs. Good. And I do go and do the same with ‘jyj are greedy, xxx, this and that’ comments. Dont worry.
Ot5 post in your sites must be annoying uh? I got it. I’m sorry about that.for real. But I also have to say I won’t stop to go everywhere where someone bash one of the guys I like. 😐
Im sorry to say this but pathetic is they way u want us to stop to keep enjoying and ride on ‘your’ wave when JYJ accomplish something. I understand u have burnt and buried the past, but also in this past 3 plus 2 people and their fans (me, you, etc) built which has let them be what they are now.
So the main point is the promise ‘tvxq=5=1’. Yoochun, Junsu and Jaejoong had to broke that promise first, and that in order to follow their own paths. And that can be the best thing they have could do in their lifes. Now HM also had to do that in order to follow the paths they have chosen. Keep performing as dbsk and keep the name going. And Its a sin. uhm 😐 Think about it guys. You say we have to move on. You should do so, too. And forget resentments or hate.
Peace.
This made me mad. I mean, seriously? JYJ is JYJ. There is no Yunho there.. and every group needs a leader. So why can’t Jaejoong be the leader? He always screamed “leader” to me when it comes to JYJ, anyways.
This makes no sense to me.. the nerve of people..
MTE!
i prefer him as a leader
I do prefer him as a leader. well, I think, he’s the real leader since TVXQ5 era, I saw many vids that made me feel this way
his should be the leader from the begining because he is the oldest in the group. also he has the quality to be a leader. and in JYJ he show us his leader quality. why would heater, hm fan, the so call ot5 & anti be mad. this is JYJ group not DBSK & THSK. This day my liking to the old name group is gone. i wish they will stay like this forever i don’t want JYJ name gone. because i like it better.
another silly fans girl,attacked with weak reason.jaejoong is the leader for jyj now,he’s not break the law?silly dumb people>>>attacker<<<<<<AISHHHH!!!!
JEALOUS PEOPLE WHO ATTACKED THAT BLOG,DEFENATELY NO BRAIN!!!!!!
JJ was always the leader.. I noticed it too when I read his entry and was glad that somebody named it at last… JJ was kinda leader too with Yunho when they were in TVXQ and now JJ is the one who arranges most of the work in JYJ… He always takes care of the others in a way a leader or a parent does…and others respect him as their hyungs even though there is not much age difference… he even became a director for the world tour… Name it or not he is the LEADER!!! :))
Well, kiss my grits!
Who is ‘they’ that got so angry? The man simply wrote what his impressions were. It’s not as if he was making a pronouncement. Obviously, some folks need to get a grip. Perceptions are just that perceptions. This is a different time and place now. No one in this group remotely gives the impression their egos are that fragile. Each and every time they are together, JYJ demonstrates they have what it takes to each be themselves.
Jaejoong still is in the middle, as a keystone in the cornerstone of a building, but he’s also the oldest. It just seems to come across that’s all. People need to get a life.
Thank You! Thank You! Well said.
Exactly.
flowers for my favourite Butterfly~^^
I honestly think jaejoong is the leader for jyj though. and I think junsu and yoochun think that too.
Why can people understand that JYJ IS NOT TVXQ/DBSK/TOHOSHINKI?
In case you forgot JYJ IS NOT TVXQ/DBSK/TOHOSHINKI ONLY HAVE 2 MEMBERS NOW. SMEnt and ‘the members’ themselves who said so. Just accept that fact.
So, I just don’t get it why this staff being attacked for referring Jaejoong as the leader of JYJ. I agree that Yoochun and Junsu also have leadership skills. But its his/her (the staff) opinion. This person thinks that Jaejoong is responsible just like how a leader should be. And if Jaejoong is really the leader of JYJ then so be it.
I even have this thoughts sometimes, since JYJ cannot call their fans anymore as Cassie, they should come up with a new name and a new color as identity for the fans. Why is that again? BECAUSE JYJ ARE NOT TVXQ/DBSK/TOHOSHINKI.
I know I might get an attack for what I’m saying now but I just want to state my opinion. Thank you very much.
Nonono. I agree with you.[However, I like the color red, if they changed it now.. then I’d need to change a lot.. my hoodie for their showcase is red.]
But a new name for the fans. Yes, I think so too..
I always wanted a new fan club for JYJ..with a different name and all..but I think if they were do something like that it would anger a lot of cassies. a lot of OT5 fans will leave their sides probably.
justb181 -> Red also one of my favorite colors even before I like TVXQ Act 1. It is just saddening that JYJ keep mentioning their fans as “fans”. So, I think a new name is necessary now.
Upii -> If this what so called OT5 really love Jaejoong, Yoochun, Junsu, Changmin or Changmin just like what they used to say to others they should accept and respect the reality if JYJ want to find a new name for their fans. Just like they can let Yunho and Changmin “get away” using TVXQ as the name of the group even though they aren’t whole.
I don’t think there is a need to change fanclub’s name… We are the same people we have no legal issues whatsoever to force us to change our name or color… I don’t care what SM names their fanclub name It was us Cassiopeia named ourselves and I can’t let them steal our name… After H.O.T. disbanded their fans even though they are separated they kept being their “angels” and used their white as their color for all the members… I think being Cassies and using the color red proves that we have been supporting them since the beginning and even though they had to leave and walk on a different road we are still with them and that didn’t change our perceptions to them… Even though bitter they would feel more comfortable this way rather than a new fanclub thinking how they still wanna be TVXQ it is cruel to change their fanclub name too… We should go to their concerts with Cassiopeia banners and all in red to make them feel home ^^ They won’t be able to name it but like they do on their twitter we will be same stars *****
@Lee
“I know I might get an attack for what I’m saying now but I just want to state my opinion. Thank you very much.”
No you won’t. If you do, send them to me.
This family sticks together. Those who don’t get it, will begin to find out quick, fast and in a hurry.
For those who can’t understand reason and logic…the fans of JYJ – DO NOT HAVE TO APOLOGIZE for ANYTHING. Because Jaejoon, Yoochun, and Junsu CHOOSE not to go the route of SME ’employees’, and stab their friends in the back, their fans will take their back.
The people who come to this site, appreciate the work done by the admin and all the contributers who provide information on JYJ.
So, if anyone doesn’t like what happens here, there is a door one can walk through and go back where you come from. This is JYJ’s home.
If you are so concerned about the fate of DBSK/TVSQ/TOHOSHINSKI…go tell SME to get their act together and stop acting like park apes. They are the ones who need your attention.
Have a good day. PEACE
ButterfliesAreFree -> Yes, when I said I might get an attack I know that it wouldn’t be from JYJ family but most probably from some OT5 fans who refuse to believe that JYJ is different from DBSK/TVXQ/TOHOSHINSKI. JYJ is a single entity. So, if one day they want to pick a leader then let it be.
I also dislike the arrogance of some OT5 fans who cannot respect the decision of those who prefer to support JYJ instead OT5 or TVXQ and keep coming here to lecture us on how to be true fans.
IF THESE OT5 FANS WANT TO REALIZE, ISN’T DISRESPECTFUL TO JYJ WHEN THEY KEEP PUSHING THAT YUNHO IS THE LEADER WHEN THERE IS EVEN NO YUNHO IN THE GROUP?
Sorry about the capital letters I don’t mean to yell at you. It is so that those OT5 can see and can read this.
OH, another bouquet of flowers for you! ^^
You ish my mother hen now too~
I love you~ ^____^
@Lee
Oh, I understood what you meant – outsiders – but that still does not give anyone the right to come here to this site and think they can push themselves on fans here. I still repect their right to feel, believe, and support how they choose.
I’ve tried to use a great deal of patience, and I still can when the need arises for it. But on some topics I’m beginning to feel a bit ‘peturbed’ if you will, and this is one of them. What ever their individual ages, they all sound like spoiled children who can’t have their way.
To them, I say this…
Get you knickers out of a twist, pull your big girl panties up, and start acting like grownups. No one is going to hold you hands any more. Especially not here.
With regard to this whole issue of trying to continually MAKE Yunho STILL the leader…it smacks to me of a lack of confidence on their part. I truly believe they KNOW in their heart of hearts, the new and improved TVXQ2 is not cutting the grade. They won’t admit this, but it is now obvious. So, to carry their delusion along, they need to ‘hold onto’ the fantasy images. But they CANNOT do it here!
Don’t worry about the CAPS, I understand the nuiance of frustration. 🙂
@sammie
I’ll be your mother hen any time you want. 🙂
Upii -> A bit typo there bb, I meant to write: If this what so called OT5 really love Jaejoong, Yoochun, Junsu, Changmin or Yunho* …….
I honestly get the feeling that Jae is the leader, whenever I see JYJ, Jae always stands out as the one in charge.
And I’m pretty sure Junsu and Yoochun realize that and don’t have a problem with it.
Even in TVXQ, even though Yunho was the leader, I felt like Jae was the one responsible.
I support Jae as the leader though and I don’t see what’s wrong with that, and why the fans don’t like that.
Who else is there to be a leader, then? I am not saying that YC or JS is lacking any leadership. I read a blog posting by the one who is very close to one lawyer (not Mr. Lim) of the law firm representing the boys. The lawyer said he was so moved at JJ’s vigilant protecting of the “little bros.” They are like brothers, and JJ, as the oldest, I guess, tries to be responsible…. Just take it as it flows….
IN EVERY GROUP WHO IS IT THAT STAND IN THE MIDDLE EVERY TIME IN A PICTURE?????
WHO WAS AT THE CENTER OF EVERY DBSK/TVXQ/THSK PICTURES?????
MADE…MY…POINT!!!!!!
Some people are still confused between JYJ & TVXQ , can not accept the fact that they’re not together any more,JYJ IS ONLY 3 MEMBERS and TVXQ NOW IS 2 MEMBERS,hello,wake up ,please … I think that Jae is leader of JYJ …Who’s with me?
“We should be proud that Jaejoong is now more confident and we should feel happy that non-fans can recognize that Jaejoong has qualities to be a leader. “
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What really burns me is that Jaejoong is likely going to feel as if he has to apologize to the blog poster for causing him trouble. Jaejoong is that quality of man and the world should know it, goddamnit!
Fucking anti-fans! I wish they would just take off their masks and quit using AKTF as a cover!
*nods*
especially because jaejoong always keeps his pain inside, and this will just add more to what he’s already feeling…
i hate these dumb fans that can’t quite get it. JYJ IS JYJ & Yunho isn’t there!
can we send him, the staff, something to encourage him?
I would like to apologize to him. He didn’t deserve the abuse and there was no need for him to apologize for being so kind to JYJ.
fans should gather messages for him and send it to him. In my opinion jyj fans should also let it be known how we feel and what we think. Jyj deserve way more than being controlled by selfish people. I don’t wanna dislike tvxq5 fans…but a lot of them are making it hard. This event gist makes me sooooooo angry!!!!
I’m trying really hard to remember that it isn’t HoMin fans or TVXQ5 fans that are doing this. It’s JYJ-anti’s and SME minions. Some of them are using the covers of being fans supporting…whoever, but their behaviour is not about supporting, but pulling down.
I wish the real HoMin fans and TVXQ5 fans would get in on this and slap down these posers. It’s fucking exhausting for us. JYJ just wants to be left alone. JYJ fans want to be left alone.
If you haven’t figured it out, I’m right there with you in the sooooooo angry place.
@ Eliza ,I want to do that to ,but I don’t know how,I wonder what he’s thinking right now…..
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Yes! I thought so too! i would like to convey how sorry i´m because of those immature anti/fans.
I am so angry!!! This feels like a step back for jyj on so many levels. people need to give them their recog for being a group. This was also disrespectful for jj. It feels like one of those situations that need to be handled. Those types of people should realize they have no control over jyj and their staff members.
I’m with you. This type of thing needs to be shut down hard. I’ve never regretted being lazy about my Japanese lessons more than at this moment.
I cant believe people are still in delusional after what have happened..
what’s wrong with Jae being a leader..
they’re JYJ for god sake..
if you’re a true fan you should be happy that people are praising Jae as a good leader..
Just be grateful that people are willing to share his or her thoughts on our boys..
This is very upsetting… Speechless…..
I prefer JYJ to have no leader, not because i think of Yunho, but because i wanna see them three as in equal level and don’t wanna put so much hard work on JJ’s shoulder.
I think they work very equitably. I don’t think anyone is putting anything extra on Jaejoong’s shoulders. In fact, I think Yoochun and Junsu worry that he takes on too much. This article was acknowledging that and being very complimentary about a fundamental aspect of Jaejoong’s personality — he cares.
ugh this makes me angry! The staff was talking about JYJ!! Yunho is TVXQ’s leader. JYJ is a diferent group and if JJ is the leader then he is the leader. The staff member said nothing but compliments, but those “fans” that yelled at staff member need to move on!
JYJ are happy with their decision and Homin seem to be happy with theirs. If 5TVXQ come back then those fans can come and talk. I also wish they come back but sometime you just need to move on and not hold on to the past because the future is right in front of you!
I kind of amusing, how homin’s fans stalking every post about JYJ,
I think we are JYJ’s fans never so looks so desperate like them,
are you jealous for every praise JYJ get from every person who meet them in the first time?
So why if jaejoong become JYJ’s leader, do you think yunho with them now? Junsu and yoochun need him,
and just give up, I know in your deep heart you think that jaejoong have that leadership skill, if not why you attack that staff, are you scare that another people think same?
lol true even on AKP HoMin stans are in every JYJ post,like in everyone,even photoshoot news!!
those on AKP makes me LOL
everytime J.Y.J’s fans (J.Y.J. as JYJ’s fans AND Personal Fanclub…) achive someting like project..
they always “come & ride” those achivement..
thought they never join any…
HAHAHA…
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“Shame on you.” Hun, please don’t act all high and mighty. Remember, not everyone here are/were fans of the original five.
And here’s a spoon for you.
Honestly, I can not stand anymore when some people keep coming here (JYJ fansite) and preaching others how to be a good/true fan. You should teach yourself how to read all the news, especially read the word JYJ3 for JYJ fans only, learn to accept the true and face the reality. Why can’t you be happy when JYJ or HoMin find the path of their own life? Why are you so selfish to just think about yourself after all those things happened?
Do what you want but you have NO RIGHTS to ask other to do anything. My question for you is do you really understand what does love mean? You keep repeating it but I think you do NOT love those 5 members, all you want is the image of 5 DBSK which is NO LONGER EXIST NOW. To me, no matter what JYJ choose, I will support them as long as they are happy and free
@UAEKorea
@Lucy Figured 😉
Another OT5 fan……..
1. 99% of the fans on JYJ3 are JYJ fans not Homin fans. 1% are DBSK(5) fans but only visit this site because the other sites are slow with JYJ news or don’t post half the stuff. Of that 1% maybe 0.2% are crazy stalker anti fans who just stalk the website so they can pick up on negative news or comments
2. JYJ fans really dislike OT5 fans preaching on how to be a true fan. We are true fans for JYJ!
3. No one is arguing on this website. We all agree with each other. Once in a while an OT5 fan, or a fake OT5 fan will come here and comment and we may argue with them.
4. Right now how JYJ fans view the situation is: In order for JYJ to be truly happy they have to move on and accept the fact that Homin will never leave SME. As long as they are with SME, SME and Homin are going to be causing them pain.
5. JYJ fans ignore Homin news unless Homin or SME mentions JYJ. To us Homin has become a sad-entity that just makes us unhappy (not bitter but disappointed). (Where have the ‘real’ past them disappeared to?)
6. Many fans including myself at this point probably wish that JYJ could become friends with Homin again to make their heartache vanish……but I want them to continue to work as JYJ not DBSK. Right now JYJ is rising too fast with their talents and hard-work but Homin due to SME and their own mistakes are ruining their image.
AAAAAAA+++++++++++++,girls?read tis waring carefully!!!!!we are JYJ FANS BASE!!JYJ!GET IT?
THIS WARNING<AISHH MY TYPO*
@pheonixia. Thank you so much!!
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I agree and feel the same with you, chingu~ ^^
@UAEKorea
I think “Jaejoong Oppa saranghae you deserve better fans” can think about their own feeling,how hard they work, how talent they are, what they thinking, how hrt they got from all the thing happen when they leave SM,the life they really want” freedom”,the fans cant help and support their dream not the fans love only name and make them in that prison forever,he deserve ppl now his personality not just because he used to belong in the group. ppls,TO5 think harder do you really love each of real themsefl or just love you good memory!!you oppa got hurt too many time did you see it?? how all the hard time from basing, insulting did you see that?? how tear and hopeless happen aroun them did you see that?? how many time they have to try stand up after alot evil company and their gang beat them up??? where is your soul??menn.. i always repect TO5 but this one really rude.. who care who leader is.. one group have 2345.. or hundreds member have skill for learship so what?? it just make the group more special because they all good not only one or two like a other group, you guys should be proud about that!! why have to bashing the ppl thing good about your love member group… and that really make JJ became bad in front of non-fan because even his fans dont believe his own talent and personality..and you say you are “true fans”!! ppls… care about them not only care about your own feeling!!think about what JJ need and what he want not what you want..we, the new one to see your real love that what we respect from you TO5!!
mean “fans can”
@pheonixia A++++++++++++++++++
can you please repost this 100000000 times in every JYJ site.. and make it a warning banner to warn “some” almighty OT5 / HOMIN fans!!
NICE ONE! A+++
very well said…
we can actually consider this OUR FAMILY’S Codes of CONDUCT or something like that! I love it!
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Love this so much : )
LOL.
Oh goodness, not another “this is how to be a true fan” comment.
man, CUT THE CRAP OK? CUT THE RAP. HERE, WE ARE FANS OF JYJ FIRST AMD FOR MOST. CUT THE CRAP ABOUT BEING THE TRUE FANS OF ALL 5. WHY CANT YOU PEOPLE DONT UNDERSTAND? LEAVE THE FUCK OUT OF HERE. IM LOOSING CONTROL HERE !!! READING CARP LIKE “TRUE FANS OF ALL 5” REALLLY ANFRY ME !!!!!!! IM JYJ’S FANS. I CHOOSE THAT MYSELF. I DONT CARE ANYONE ELSE. PLEASE, JUST….. READ, PLEASE, THIS IS JYJ SITE. DONT COME HERE AND FIVE A FUCK DAME ABOUT TRUE FANS OF ALL 5 OR NOT !#@#$@$%@!$
who are you to say a people is a better fans or not? who are you? really, to look down on a person who you dont even know and say you better than them just show how a person you are. please grow up
Oh shut up. It’s not as if you’re anymore of a true fan than we are. You don’t even know us to judge so darling go and preach somewhere else ^-^
What is your problem, if we think Jaejoong is a leader? In the entire essay that you wrote…not once did I read that you felt what those people did by attacking the Japanese staff about JJ being a leader was wrong.
Learn to accept the facts. TVXQ=HoMin,
Yunho is the leader for TVXQ, JJ is the leader of JYJ.
You can accept that Yunho is a leader, but you can’t accept that JJ is a leader?
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@ Uaekorea
Girl, there’s only one thing I can say to you:
YOU ARE AT THE WRONG SITE!!!
@admin
Pls ignore people like her, I think you are doing a fantastic job
Yunho was talked about because thats why some people were complaining at the blog. Supposed tvxq5 fans decided that he shouldn’t call jaejoong leader because yunho is the rightful leader…and blah blah blah, I’m sure you get it.
girl.. Yunho was mentioned because thew japanese blog was attacked by some fans who find calling JJ leader disrespectful to Yunho.. so go preach to them not to attack the Japanese blogger.. he didnt have to apologize but he did to satisyfy people like you.. when all we wanted to enjoy is that JYJ right now is doing a good job and JJ is so caring like a leader of JYJ.. cant you get it girl.. this is JYJ site (i’ll tell this gazillion times) we’ll mention who we want to mention related to the boys.. but we will not protect them if we dont want to.. protect Homin if you want.. but protect them in their site,, Go to a Homin site and there preach them too not to hate JYJ and spread malicious rumors,, if you already did then congratulations.. it means you have a lot of time to go to many sites.. but make up your mind.. or stay with your OT5 site and reminisce the old days.. cause all of that is in the past.. what we have now is JYJ and TVXQ2.. wake up!
*sigh* girl, you’re talking too much and I still can’t figure out what your points are. Things are very simple here. Some silly irrational fans attacked the staff member because he perceived JJ as a very responsible person and thought he looks like the leader of JYJ. If I’m to talk in your OT5’s tone, what that staff member thought doesn’t make JJ replace YH as TVXQ’s leader. Just like when I think someone should be the president will not necessarily make him a president for real. I want to ask you: what’s wrong if Jaejoong becomes the leader of JYJ? Will it hurt Yunho & Changmin? How will it hurt the old TVXQ? What’s wrong if people around him and we fans think that he’s qualified to be a good leader? JYJ is now a separate group from TVXQ, keep that in mind. If some day your wishful thought of a TVXQ reunion came true, believe me, Jaejoong as he is, would step back and let Yunho continue being the one leading the group. I don’t see the comments before yours bashing Yunho as a bad leader. They only stated that JJ was the unofficial co-leader with YH in their old days, and that JJ has every potentials to be a good leader so in the eyes of many of them, he’s been one. Try to understand that, will ya? In a JYJ’s fansite, we act and we talk as JYJ’s fans. Don’t try to change our opinions because you only waste your time and irritate us.
“really ,, maybe I cant read English O_O sorry but dear I can only speak 4 languages including KOREAN JYJ language ^_*
but why you are telling me that it is JYJ blog while many comments before I commented mentioned DBSK and Uknow while the subject was about jaejoong being leader?? ”
I just don’t know other people who can speak 4 languages can’t understand the post. Or should I better say better go back to school to do some READING COMPREHENSION. Kindly COMPREHEND the post before stating your opinion.
The post is really clear as mud.
“The 3hree voices japanese staff deleted his entry titled ‘Jaejoong is so responsible‘, apparently some people attacked him for calling Jaejoong the leader. He later wrote an entry to apologize for ‘getting carried away’”
Who else is gonna attact him? ow, should we just leave it as it is since nothing was mentioned? Hell no! Do your history and math and you’ll get an answer. Now do you get it?
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hey dude.. good thing the admin deleted your post.. but if you still lurk here it seems your giving JYJ fans a scolding.. I’m a JYJ fan only.. because of Yoochun! I dont give a damn if they are from DBSK.. I dont like HOMIN because I simply dont know them much and would not bother.. to know them.. i see them in old videos of JYJ when they are with DBSK but I only spazz on the 3.. so ALL OT5 FANS< HEY THE WORLD DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND THSK/DBSK… FOR ALL I KNOW THERE IS ONLY 2 THERE.. SO DONT PREVENT MY JJ FROM BECOMING A LEADER.. COZ I"M A NEW FAN .. I DONT CARE ABOUT YUNHO AND YOUH DONT OWN JJ, JUNSU and MY BABY YOOCHUN.. SO DONT ACT AS IF WE OWE YOU OR YOU LEND THEM TO ASK..
Agreed @ JYJ3 Staff comment.
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Actually the post was to remind the self-proclaimed loyal OT5ers that felt that the blog poster was denigration TVXQ’s memory by suggesting Jaejoong was a leader that the real denigration of TVXQs name and memory is actually being perpetrated in other arenas. The last line sums it up very well, although I think adding JYJ antis and SME minions to the list would have made for a more balanced post.
It is an INNOCENT post. The blogger is a JYJ fan not a DBSK fan. As a JYJ fan she is defending the rights of JJ, Yoochun, and Junsu to pick a leader if they want to. She is also pointing out how many fans can’t wait to jump and cut the throats of any person who does not agree with their opinions and THAT IS WRONG.
Those fans have no idea that people outside of the fandom don’t have ulterior motives with their comments usually DON’T want to be included in the DBSK(5) fandom DRAMA.
bb, i know you are from soompi and on twitter, you are OT5 fans and a yunho bias, so its best that you dont visite this site anymore, actually i suprise to see you here. considering that you bash jyj3 and with_jyj on your twitter, and you still here? now this is what we calles stalkers
….Is she that piglet girl?
she is chadrlk or something on soompi, the one who still post on soompi right now
She’s a delusional YunJae stan who hides behind the guise of being an OT5 fan while she then goes and talks shit about Yoochun/Junsu/the efforts of JYJ fans/etc. She and her twitter friends are so full of hate, it’s disgusting. Those stalkers even made that whole list “proving” how ~vile~ JYJ stans are, when she and her butthurt posse are a hundred times worse. LOL I can’t stomach fake OT5 fans. I can’t.
‘Those stalkers even made that whole list “proving” how ~vile~ JYJ stans are’
LOL honestly? Get a life. If I could post that ‘look at your life look at your choices’ gif this would be the time.
LOL ikr. Someone asked them, seeing how they’re all ~OT5~ and what not, if they were also going to list the rude shit that some HoMin stans have said. They gave some bullshit answer about how they haven’t seen any rude comments by Yunho or Changmin fans about JYJ, so they can’t make that list. Or something like that. It’s embarrassing, really.
It’s not even that hard tbh. All they need to do is go to truetvxq or some shit and prtsc the whole page, lol.
@uee
lmao they really said that.
Well I can direct them to many places where other fans diss jyj and jyj fans. Just wooooow….
@Sarah
Lol^^ babe!!! ….piget girl!!
Muahhaahaha
So it’s an undeniable fact she kinda a HM fan, anti JYJ and ACTS like an ot5 who loves JYJ!!!
@Ashley
she and her gangs are regular on that blog…so she can’t see bad comments there, nearsight @.@
WOW! Really! These F**ktards know nothing but mess with other people’s business dont they? Honestly, I cannot last even ten minutes on That PRECIOUS site without vomiting. It’s HATE, HATE, HATE against JYJ all they way there. I think they eat HATE for breakfast there, have HATE for dessert, HATE for lunch, HATE for dinner.
I swear, that site owner should disappear from the earth and just go back to his PRECIOUS LAND OF THE TROLLS!
Lately, I’ve been wondering why they introduced Yunho as the leader since the beginning. This was so disrespectful towards Jaejoong. This is a mistake. In a culture where being the elder is so important, Jaejoong always has been having all the eminence and the right to be named the leader; not only the vocal leader but the absolute leader too.
Good point. That is something to ponder over. Maybe some awesome JYJ fans can enlighten you and me.
-Maybe Jaejoong declined the position because he didn’t feel worthy or was worried about carrying the majority of responsibilities (but personally speaking I feel that if JJ had been the leader this DBSK(5) split would never have happened)
-Maybe their was like an interview process in SME where they made sure the leader of the groups agreed to SME’s system by answering questions on how they think one thing or the other should work. Or how they would respond if so-and-so situation occurred. Maybe Jaejoong didn’t match their criteria of being a ‘puppet leader’ (after the Shinhwa incident)
-Maybe Yunho’s father made a deal with SME so that Yunho could be the leader
-Maybe the members had to work together for a while and then elect a leader…?
Etc.
the 2nd point is what likely happened, IMO.
knowing how SM is, how yunho is a yes-man and that he almost didn’t debut for whatever reason SM had; does it make sense that he was chosen as a leader also because he didn’t have a stood-out quality at the time they debut? the others had one at least: junsu- good singing, jae-beautiful voice and look, yuchun-good rap skill, changmin-singing (which is not that stood out to me coz tbh I can’t put anything aside of his maknae image).
i’m not saying that jae is qualified at their early years; god knows how ‘clumsy’ he was on and off-stage. but other than yunho, who else could SM pick? choosing the maknae as a leader didn’t do.
Before the whole break,i remember reading that Jae was offered the position but he decline it cause he didn’t feel comfortable about it but then around the same time i read that Jae was supposed to be the leader during the pre-debut but cause he hard to control and talked back then SM gave the position to Yunho.
I guess the truth is in the middle
Jae was initially selected as the leader coz he’s the oldest but Jae declined coz he felt he is lacking at that time.
It’s been always said (most of the time by Yunho) that Jae is stubborn and usually says what’s on his mind. I remember when Jae said that their images have been pre-determined by SM. Suffice to say, the mgrs are not pleased based on their reaction, lol.
At the end of the day, it was his PERCEPTION.
THE END.
If to him Jae came off as a leader, he came off as a leader.
WHO ARE YOU to tell him he can’t ‘see’ what he ‘saw’ in Jaejoong and express it to the fans and others.
I really don’t care what TVXQ claim to be ‘the rest of’ blah blah blahs…just move on.
That was his own personal perception. It wasn’t like it was an OFFICIAL meeting to go ‘oh nope Yunho isn’t the leader anymore it’s Jaejoong’ that was his own viewpoint so fuck out of here.
I agree. Thank you for articulating exactly how I feel.
Ah. Here we go again… Some people just need a blast of cold water to accept reality, just accept it and move on for god’s sake how difficult is that? What more do y’all want?
You know what? Whatever. I don’t care what THOSE people think, if others see and recognise my baby joong for what he becomes and always had been I’m happy and proud. No one can take that away from me, the rest of his fans and jaejoongie.
I’m just annoyed that the staff felt the need to apologise for his OWN FEELINGS and a post on his OWN BLOG, such thick headed and ‘polite’ people these bunch =.= I don’t even.
Exactly. Like really?
Are we REALLY THIS PARANOID that we feel the need to force people to not have an opinion. He seen what he saw and what he seen was Jaejoong the leader, so who are YOU to tell him he can’t see that or express that. How is WORDS undermine Yunho, tell me right NOW. How? EXACTLY HOW does it undermind Yunho’s status as a leader. It doesn’t so fuck out of here. People call me a leader…oh so as a fan I undermine Yunho’s status huh. SMH. Anyone can be a leader! Yunho is not the only one.
Gosh…who made us king and who gave us the power to behave in such a way?
Gasp! You mean we’re not actually kings and dictate every single thing when it concerns the boys? Surely you jest~ Don’t you know? EVERYONE has to have the same opinion and it’s practically against the unwritten fandom code to move on *nods*
*SNICKER* Sarah, thank you.
lol Sarah love your comment
He was innocent so why was he attacked and forced to take down his writing about his personal feelings?
It´s his own blog for heaven´s sake! He has all the rights to write about what he feels.
ohh.. i´m getting angry here…
I would like to apologise to him on the behalf of some unconsiderate brats…
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@Eliza
*Big Hug*
I know how you hate using caps, so I’m figuring right about now, your patience has been busted. 🙂
Another *Big Hug*
Didnt you focus on anything except “selfish”
How do you know they even contact each other anymore …
apparently jaejoong said he contacted yunho…..but there was no reply…then yunho said he WASNT contacted….then jae sent a text and posted it on twitter…i think we know who was lying
What about the “i didnt know they were filing the lawsuit” B.S two days ago…
its about W+nine vs keep your head down
take your pick ot5er which OPPA do you think is carrying more of the dong bang shin ki SPIRIT?
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@UAEKorea
We don’t blame sme because that be be unfair every human should and has to take responsibility for their actions. Simply blaming sme is an excuse. IYou can’t say you accept yunho and changmin because you create excuses for the things they do that you and others may not like. If you were a person who wanted to accept only truth and not create lies for yourself you would do that. But you cant, because it’ll deny you the thing you really want. I don’t eve tell people not to like homin but dont come in here create excuses for their actions and expecting people to want and turn a blind eye like you.
The only argument I am really going to respond to is “and if you are saying that you are only Jaejoong , Junsu , Yoochun so you are not going to enjoy their all songs since 7 years”
Ummmmmmmmmmm……..no I am going to continue listening to their music but that does not mean i like all their voices. I am a Jaejoong fan therefore I like all the songs in which his voice sounds nice. I like THSK music better than DBSK music because the Japanese music has more JJ in it then the DBSK music….also those songs are ballads.
It’s funny actually because some of my favorite songs are solo’s by the JYJ boys or Soulmate compositions.
Just because I like DBSK/THSK music does not mean I want them to get back together. Especially after two of them are ‘trying with their utmost effort’ to ruin the image of DBSK(5) that the five worked with sweat, blood, and tears to make.
Yes, they are ruining the image.
1. DBSK (5) never needed as many promotions as DBSK (2).
2. DBSK (5) NEVER lipsynced live even when they were super super tired
3. DBSK (5) always cared about fan opinions and would never have let the fans be so hurt by their actions so as to force fans to choose sides
4. DBSK (5) loved each other and would not stab each other in the back for extra promotions.
5. DBSK (5) never said anything bad about anyone….even people they were in competition against
Etc.
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^^ they chose to stay with SMe
that is perfectly fine…..
but when they LIE and talk Absolute B.S about JYJ that is not fine.
Are you saying Jung Yunho as a 26 year old man is not strong enough to prrotect SMe from slandering his “beloved” members?
Why do YOU think he stayed? If we are to respect his decision to stay we also have to belive he has a mind of his own and is HAPPY at SM
TVXQ2 has already taken the name…what will you do if SMe decides to add new members to tvxq (eg.shinee?)
Will you still be supporting your oppas then?
Actually the point of the post was not that Yunho or Jaejoong is a good leader or vice versa. Nor whether they wanted to be one. It’s just the irresponsible attacks on the blogger by immature fans, etc. Really.
The rest of the comments are just a consequence of that. Its good to love all five, and no one should take that away from you, BUT there is a right time and place for everything, and yours just didn’t resonate at this point in time.
@UAEKorea
i want you to snap back to reality and
stop dwelling on the past and let it go.
the reality is, theyre not comming back together.
I am only supporting JYJ, i could careless about the other two. and yes, to be honest, i stop listening to DBSK music, you know why? cuz i cant stand listening to the other two voices. NOW WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT????!!!
and please dont use your “oh your not a true fan bullshit here”
me too,i just listen and watched jyj song and vid,i lost my apettite when i see the other face poop up,i avoid my negative sense,coz its really scared me>.<
let’s make the mode lighter here, seems everybody’s blood pressure is rising.
i got amused with your comment that you don’t listen to dbsk music anymore since you can’t stand the other 2 voices… you can still listen, we have a young girl in the house, i find it very funny cause everytime she played dbsk/thsk music (she really likes junsu’s voice), everytime it’s CH turn, she’ll press the mute button, and if it’s a video she’ll just turn away…she can stand yunho, but not CH voice, it’s hurting her ears accdg, to her ( don’t jump on her she’s just a GIRL)… i find her behavior still childish, but i’m still happy that she keeps on listening to the tvxq5 though in a selective and funny manner.
Jae being a leader is not just based on the staff’s entry, those who believe in him don’t need an article(in this case, the staff’s entry) to continue believing in him…him being a leader something that can’t be removed or put down…
…in other words, even before the staff made the entry, we knew deep down in our heart, he had that leader quality in him, so even if the entry is gone, we still believe in him as a great leader, that fact can’t be erased in our hearts…
LOL, this is laughable. Who’s “some people”? Dont really understand the point of their anger. Is it coz Yunho was leader, and now JJ is being seen as one, or what? “Some people” were trolling because they have nothing better to do or felt the need to defend (-YH-) for what was never attacked. He deleted his entry, which is a shame, but too bad it doesnt erase what he feels and for those who agree with him.
It’s not laughable because people shouldn’t be abused simply for saying nice things about the boys. I am feeling horrible for this writer. And I’m afraid that it will keep people silent when good things happen. I like to get occasional proof JYJ is as wonderful as we believe they are, and that will happen less often if writers are jumped on by antis.
I understand, no worries.
@Woo7 I’m sure you do 🙂 I’m still…irate and you gave me an opening. So I took it.
Sorry if you felt I was jumping on you.
Eliza.
Actually i knew you were irritated, lol. No really, i understand-everything. Is just that am trying not to invest myself too much on things that give me undue anxiety. I comment, act and support-ofcourse i get annoyed too, i guess not today.
Like i say, we will be okay!
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lol so if one day JJ wanted to be the leader would you let that happen?
I hope that IF DBSK does get back together than Jaejoong will be the leader and not Yunho anymore because Yunho couldn’t keep the group together…..plus he likes to lie.
very true…a liar as leader(no thanks)
Jaejoong is a real leader
How good will it be if OT5 fans and JYJ fans can respect each other decision so that we can work together to support JYJ.. True OT5 fans will support JYJ too right now, not just pushing JYJ to be 5 again.. So I think we could’ve together..
Just wondering..
I’m fine with OT5…. that is until they start preaching to fans that are not.
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really, im also fine with ot5 fans, but to those who come here just to look down on jyj fans and force them to love/do what ot5 do. really, its just make me angry. people has their right and freedom to love and do what they want and think its right. this is my first time comment more than 2 time in a post, maybe i reach my limit with some ot5 fans
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@uaekorea
dear I think you got on the wrong foot here.
I do understand where u r coming from. U support all 5. It must be hard to read people criticizing homin in here. We here respect the fans who support all 5. Not everyone agree the reason, but at least we dont try to make ot5 change their mind. If u ask why is homin being talked about here, its only because it involves jyj. If not, we couldnt care less.
I dont believe u intent any harm by coming here. So please keep in mind, u are here welcome anytime, just dont try to push ur belief to love all 5, when the ppl here mostly support only jyj.
That’s the thing, all these so-called OT5 fans with their holier-than-thou attitude are the one that giving the rest of OT5 a bad name. They are the one, maybe unknowingly, creating rifts between the fans which is the exact opposite of their objective (I hope that’s their objective unless they really are fakers).
…I’ve honestly only ever seen one legit OT5 fan that exists post-lawsuit. And the sole reason she’s able to stay so neutral is because she has practically zero to none interaction with fandom anymore.
As for the fake OT5 fans, they’re usually either:
1) HoMin fans pretending to give a shit about the other three.
or
2) YunJae stans. Enough said.
It’d be nice if we could all work together, but – and I’ll be blunt – I don’t trust most of these people claiming to support all five. In JYJ’s case, it’s extremely hard to support HoMin without inadvertently supporting SME who, last time I checked, is blackballing JYJ all the way to outerfuckingspace. There’s also more issues I take with the actions of those fake allfivers, but I’ll end my rant here.
The staff member merely stated his opinion based on first-hand observations: Jaejoong has leadership qualities. I see no reason why he should be bashed for this.
But in retrospect, who are we to claim if Jaejoong is the leader or not? In the end, it is Yoochun, Jaejoong, and Junsu’s decision. Not the fans of TVXQ2, TVXQ5, or JYJ.
i think the admin should add another rules for this site..
NO PREACHING..
tired of people telling on how to be the real fans..
cause as far as i know..
this is the site for JYJers..
so all TVXQ5 fans should realize that not all people here give a damn about HM!~
@UAEKorea Sometimes you cannot use the length of time to measure the extent of how well you know or love someone. Apparently the 7 years of friendship did not stop Homin and the other SM members from bashing JYJ. Likewise, no one expected JYJ fans to go all out in full force to support JYJ by various means (bus and subway ads, internet radio station, petition etc). And yes, some of these JYJ fans have only known the boys for a few months. So please don’t question our love for them. If JYJ fans don’t support them at this point, what’s going to happen to them? They’ll just fade into obscurity. And this will happen even before they can ever hope to comeback as TVXQ5.
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@UAEKorea
that is why before stating your opinion, kindly filter your thoughts before commenting – that is what normal adult responsible people do – unless you wanted your opinion be taken as a matter of fact. Try to comprehend and understand the situation, and where your posting it. It pisses a lot of people reading such comment when a the opinion doesn’t go with the majority of the people here.
To other OT5/die hard TVXQ 5 who can’t let go of the fact that the group have divided to 3/2 respect this JYJ site. We’re done handling delusional people who forces us to keep the 5 and turn our back to the wrong doings of the other. Keep your comment to yourselves unless you want something…
And to those OT5 who can differentiate the 2, you’re welcome here to spazz in the site.
ow, I forgot to say,
How can you say sorry when you already did the damage?
Admis, can you please deleted and block that UAEKorea off from here? It’s obvious that she’s seeking for attention since her fandom is getting so boring now?
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a/n:am i the only one who can’t understand her point?she is contraddicting her self comment after comment
It’s truly outrageous that this staff person was attacked to the point where s/he felt the need to apologize even though s/he is the victim of cyber bullying and hate attacks.
This kind of (mis)behavior really discourages future staff accounts which we love to read as fans if they know /certain/ “fans” are just waiting to jump down their throats.
It’s truly sad how some “fans” would attack a staff member for sharing his/her (very positive!) experience and perception of the boys since it might not match up to what their preconceived notions how how JJ, YC, & YS are or what these “fans” would prefer them to be.
I truly hope that JYJ fans that know his blog and contact info have sent supporting messages to this staff person. It’s really sad that these “fans” are willing to damage and strain JYJ’s professional relationships. Imagine what a terrible and ugly impression this staff person must have.
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This is really ugly impression !! so shame!!!
Watch firs video from 4.35
and second from 4.40
i dont know how acceptavle that is in korea
but that looked darn forceful to me \
F#$% lee soo man
^^ i forgot some poeple might not be comfortable watching the first video
Admins if you’re unhappy pls remove the first video
the second one is a shinee one and still serves to illustrate my point
@JUNO ,this video made me sick,oh man ,who is that old man ?is this what they’ve got when they choose money over their pride ?Look at Yunho,keep let that old man push his head down like that …I’m speechless.
ok first of all i was serioulsy cringing throughout the song, i have nothing against shinne they are sweet young biys but “ballons” was the song that got me hooked on DBSK, that song is really special to me and i felt like they butchered it. the song will never be the same, second of all what the f*** if i were yunho i would snmcked that old man hand away, i get he is older but that was just disrespectful maybe he was just playing around but it was still wrong.
ummm, what does this have to do w/ the 3hree Voices staff account … ?
And WhyTH is that old man jamming Yunho’s head down like that?!?!?! I would have smacked him for assault. You don’t invade someone’s personal space like that and certainly not move another person by clutching their neck.
I’m sorry i just got pissed off after seeing this 😦
Whoaaa what was that old man doing…I can tell Yunho was a little uncomfortable. This makes me mad. Very MAD!!!
HoMin why are you so scared? Come out babies! It’s okay for you to come out…SM can’t do shit to you. Just like we are protecting JYJ, we will protect you too.
But if you continue to stay there and continue to say or do things that are very hurtful…we can’t protect you all we can do is turn out backs to you.
What’s this gotta do with 3 Voice, and JYJ at all?
I only watched the 1st clip, and wtf did I just watched? Who is that old man? Is that the holiness LSM himself? I’m not Korean so maybe I don’t get the culture and customs, but that came off as disgustingly disrespectful to me. Even my own father wouldn’t dare to lay a finger on me but this old man just shoved his head down like that (more reasons for me to see how demeaning a title song like KYHD is).
OOOO this has nothing to do with the post above..but @chuxx who mentioned KYHD
In the video..there is a part when the background dancers go down while HoMin..sortta kinda shows that they are pushing the boys down while they sing “keep your head down”. I thought that choreography was really ridiculous.
@Upii YES that part totally made me cringe. Seriously, I don’t get the hype of that song at all and everyone else that said how fierce it was.
@Juno owwhh ok, I thought I had to rewatch it again coz I missed something due to my rage
Only you can tell yourself how to be a fan.
Because it’s your own perception.
I just watched the first video.
Why he do that to Yunho? Weird…
He did it to Key too.
Weird.
TBH, my heart kinda hurt seeing that stupid old man push down YH’s head…
What the hell is wrong with Korea?!!!!
I was so effing upset when I listened to how Balloons was butchered. When it came to the parts where Junsu, Yoochun or Jaejoong sang, I became even more upset when I didn’t hear their voices. I have the Balloons MV in my memory and watching this didn’t make me happy the way watching the MV did. The old guy isn’t Lee Sooman but an old school trot singer (I think) who was having some kind of showcase.
I really cried when I watched this 😦 I kept thinking, how would JYJ feel if they saw this? Would they be hurt? I feel like SMent have been trying to completely erase Jaechunsu. I was so angry! How can Taemin and Minho etc stand there smiling and singing a song that isnt theirs? After everything thats happened? Didnt they say that Chun was such a good Hyung to them? Its as if none of them care for JYJ at all and it hurts so bad to think that. I can’t help but see that look on Yunho’s face. I dont know what it means, but he doesnt look happy. I want to believe that deep down he does have a heart, and he’s thinking of JYJ. Im happy that he looks like he’s suffering. Maybe there is hope for him, maybe one day he’ll realize what he’s done wrong.
Why do people want JYJ to go back to this? Why would they go back to people who have treated them like complete shit and probably hurt them more than we can even imagine. These fake ot5 fans and these Homin stans need to leave them alone. JYJ is moving on, Im sorry they didnt fail like you all were hoping. Sorry that they dont need you or your fake support, nor your disappointing Homin and corrupt company. Sorry that they’ve been strong and though they have stumbled, theyve always picked themselves up in the end and carried on. Sorry that they have talent, sorry that they are loved and admired by so many people. I know it probably breaks your bitter little heart to see them succeed despite the injustices that are thrown at them, but get used to it. Do us all a favor and forget about them, because things arent changing anytime soon.
I didnt want it to be like this, I was VERY Ot5 in the beginning. I was one of the people who made excuses for Homin.” Its SMent thats making them say this” “Of course they cant speak up and defend JYJ, theyre with SMnet” But I had to wake up and realize that DBSK is over. Not because the group manufactured by SMent is gone, not because the stage is separated 2/3, but because those two can stand there day in and day out and allow their brother’s name to be dragged through the dirt. Homin are grown men, they with superior IQ know right from wrong. They have been in the business long enough to know the way things work. They have had enough time and probably opportunity to leave SMent if the things done and said under that company has truly bothered them. But it doesnt, not enough to speak up. They made their choice, and they CHOSE SMnet, just as JYJ chose to leave. So dont come in here with these excuses, you arent making them look any better. What a nice way to add to the Slave mentality that so many SMent artists have spoken out against. Get out! we dont want to hear it! Do something useful like positively supporting your TVXQ2.
This is running long, but I have to let it out. As for those quotes listed above…Im disgusted. Homin is disgusting. Thank you for showing the type of people you are willing to be. To make comments like that is SO disrespectful not only to JYJ, but also to the legacy of DBSK, to the fans as well. How can they look at themselves in the mirror? Changmin has the nerve to insinuate that Junsu is not human? Can he even call himself a man? its a pity that he thinks the person whose words sting the most is a man. God bless JYJ with forgiving hearts, give them the power to forgive and be set free from the pain. Lords knows if it were me, it would be over. I would never forgive them for this, Lord forgive me for the things I would do or say if we ever came face to face. Theyre not children, they arent men, but theyre something inbetween. By allowing SMent to hurt JYJ and acting as if they never existed, as if they arent facing trouble, they are hurting JYJ. So sorry if we arent quick to give them a pat on the back for their behavior. Get out! stop coming here! we dont care what you think, we’re done with your delusions and excuses. You arent a fan, stop wasting your time and focus on advising Homin to go back to be people of integrity.
^^^^^THIS!!!!!! 100% AGREE!!!!
why do they have to sing baloons with shinee?
First I cringed at how the lovely “Baloons” song was ruined by having shinee and that old creep singing it (what is with that shinee singing lately TVXQ songs anyway????), but when I saw what the old creep has done to Yunho… this is physical abuse, is that alright?!
Ok, I don’t get it? what’s the old man doing? irregardless the different gap between the two, he shouldn’t have done in television. He’s no kid anymore to be taught manners, if that’s what he’s trying to do. Which I don’t really understand Korean culture… if any koreans out there kindly try to explain this kind of behavior for us to understand if it is really a norm in your country?
and ghhhad!!! I’m speechless… How can they have butchered the song? where’s JJ’s angelic voice? where’s Junsu’s happy voice? where’s yoochun husky voice? this is a matter of fact, Yunho can’t & never be able to replace Yoochun huskiness. He’s voice is just the high note compared to Yoochun.
Ok what else are they gonna butcher? I hope they’ll not rerecord the songs and replace the other 3 voices. But on the second thought, I wouldn’t careless, I’ll apologise to those OT5 who’s trying to keep on keeping the faith, but if ever SM will be doing that, since they technically have rights of the songs, so be it. Then JYJ will be totally free nothing to look back, it hurts, but life just have to move on.
No string attached.
And my advance condolences to the OT5 fans, if ever this things will happen. We, JYJ family, still be here for OT5-JYJ.
I know this comment is way out from the post… but can’t help it when I saw the vid.
Peace!
be beyond our endurance
farewell SHINeeShinki
No offence intended to Shinee boys but this just proved that TVXQ songs without JYJ voices would have been crak:-p
Because our babies are irreplaceable!!!
what is the old man doing in this vids??????
i just cant hear Ballons anymore…really…without JYJ this song sounds…average…man i miss Junsu´s voice T__T
At times like this, why certain group of fans still stir troubles over petty things like this? Somehow they feel ‘uneasy’ by his (very positive) opinion, so they shred him to pieces???
I still remember the case with Ayumi on twitter and it was Jaejoong who had to apologize FOR the fans.
They claim to love Jae so much, and yet again, they embarrassed him.
babe, I think you misunderstood.
They are NOT his fans.
I was so upset they even dare to bother ayumi. How dare these mortals try to even interact with Jpop empress. Funny thing is I always ship ayumi and jae. They look so cute together. Both are sweethearts. But then ayu go and marry that actor T.T
I remember when jyj did the us showcase, some fans even make a new twitter acc to harass arden cho bcos she tweeted to the boys. Embarrassing.
Or the whole Telisha and Junsu saga, SMH. Some of these “fans” or antis can go overboard.
@shadow lol you got a point there, they definitely not worthy to be his fans, my bad.
@nichie IKR the ayumi incident totally pisses me off. Did they even think the possible implications to Jae in Japan? I shipped JaeXAyu too. It’s one of the very few pairings with Jae that I approve of XD
To be honest, i cant even listen to the old DBSK5 song coz there is those two voices in it. I don’t even want to said the name of them. They are no one for me. I don’t call myself cassie or whatever coz i give up on the whole OT5 shit long time ago.
This coming from a fan who follow them since my destiny day. How long is that?
God know how much money i spend to them. How many times i went to their concert. STOP TELLING ME WHAT A TRUE FANS IS. there no such a thing as true fans. IT”S JUST A CHOICE . I may not have right to say who right or wrong but i do have right as a consumer to buy or support the one that i want. There is no rule that if you like this you need to like this as well. IS that some kind of whole package deal or what.
Just because i used to be cassie doesn’t mean i have to be blind and support everyone
nice word and nice choice dear!!!im with you(^__^)
this is exactly me. I’m a former cassie too and I HATE when someone tries to preach to me about what a “true” fan is. Its all what you believe in, not a set standard all must follow to be a part of the club or something.
HoMin fans need to stop obsessing over JYJ. Its getting really creepy. JYJ fan’s, 99% of them don’t give a shit about HoMin unless they mention JYJ, because they don’t feel threatened like HoMin fans does. Whenever a JYJ article comes up in other sites I always see some TVXQ fans bashing them even if it has absolutely nothing to do with HoMin/SME, but I never see that with HoMin articles because JYJ fans aren’t stalkers. -.-; Reminds me of my friends stalker ex-boyfriend.
P.S. I think Jaejoong feels responsible for taking care of YooSu because he’s the older one out of the 3…and he’s always had a caring/motherly attitude when it comes to his members. So its not like they appointed him the leader or anything, its just that JJ’s always been the one to take care of them, so its become natural for him to behave like a leader, and take care of things.
AND FYI::: Yunho has NOTHING TO DO WITH JYJ. Yunho and Cangmin are now the only members of TVXQ, and JYJ are their own group. Yunho being leader now has nothing to do with JYJ.
Cool down guys!!!.JYJ’s fans don’t give a shit what they think…. either Jaejoong is the leader or not…We think JYJ as one… Leadership is like you are born with it, the others have to look up at you & accept & respect you as their leader…. I think, both Junsu & Yoochun, just like it that way…
YUNHO is a dammed liar. He lied everything he said !!!
I don’t get it -*- He wrote about JYJ not TVXQ so why butthurt?
Anyway, it doesn’t matter what title they put on my JJ. Action always speaks louder than words^^
Does anyone know this man’s email address??…Let’s make a blog post…where someone with very good english write apology letter to him and then we can email it to this staff member.
I feel like as a fan, we are responsible to apologize on behalf of other weird fans and their actions.
The blog apology post would also serve as a slap in the face to those attackers.
Good Idea, that’s how I felt also. We should do this.
Yes Let’s do it..does anyone here want to write the apology letter? We can make a blog just for it and then under need the apology post..the rest of us can write down as a comment “I am sorry” get a like a hundred or so apologies on the comment section and then we can send it to this man.
Even i’m not liking that he deleted the post and apologized..I still feel like we should say sorry.
Yes this. We should do this.
Agree!
But shouldn’t we write in Japanese too?
yes let’s write in english and then have someone japanese translate it
none of us know japanese T.T
That’s okay…we can find someone to translate it. I can ask Dcgall or jp_jyj at twitter or I can try and ask a japanese subber from viki.com
@upi…
You make just made me laugh… yeah let’s have someone from viki translate it to jap. if we couldn’t find any here…
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have to do it!
Okay I finished writing it…although I don’t know how it sounds.
i wrote one too…email me upamak114@yahoo.com
When they were still 5, I would tell those who are biased towards one member but hates the other to at least respect the other members seeing as how their in the same group but now that TVXQ and JYJ are two separate groups who have nothing to do with each other, fans are not require to care about the other side.
A true fan? A true fan of what? JYJ no longer has anything to do with TVXQ so why would a true fan of JYJ need to care about HoMin? Because you think JYJ loves HoMin we should also? Sorry, but if let’s say, my friends boyfriend is verbally abusing her and says that he doesn’t care for her anymore/accuses her of things, but she still loves him, there would be no way in hell I would ever like/tolerate him even if hes the person she loves the most. He would be lucky if I don’t kick his ass for her.
Face reality. TVXQ is never going to be 5 again. Too many things were said, and too many things were done during these past 2 years. Sometimes no matter how hard you try some things just cannot be forgotten and forgiven.
The stupidity surrounding this attack is just…
I can’t believe how PETTY this whole thing is!
The man said JJ had leader ship qualities. SO FUCKING WHAT. HE thinks so, just cause he does doewsn’t mean JJ is the leader! IMO JJ would make a great leader but we all know he wouldn’t take that role cause of the type of person he is!
Sometimes I wonder why these butthurt stans are so obsessed with JYJ when they supposedly hate them.
Haters really are confused fans.
I just watch the clip..singing balloons w/o JYJ..Yunho seems he almost cry in some parts,and that’s touching..You know guys,we really don’t know what’s inside their hearts.But one thing is for sure,HoMin & JYJ both got hurt & still hurting with what happened & still happening to them..
I love OT5 but I support & love JYJ now,but to be honest my situation with HoMin is like “Sometimes i hate them but sometimes i love them” kind of thing.And watching this kind of video pinches my heart & my love for HoMin suddenly rises…
I don’t know if anyone here feels the same.but I really feel that way.Maybe you cannot really hate a person forever,whom you once cherished & love in the past.
They chose it though, they made they bed they are currently lying in.
It’s not like they can’t leave, they just aren’t.
I personally have no emotions left for homin which is worse than anger. I just feel nothing for them.
yeah..that’s the reason why i hate them..they have a choice but they just ignored it..& now they were talking as if JYJ were liars..
i feel it.. even i am mad, angry and disappointed, i still kind of aisshh these guys, i want to slap and shake them hard and shout “please realize that I love you, u don’t need SM, etc…”
I still care deep inside, but it’s also ANNOY me that they can’t stood up for themselves. They flatter SM so fucking much and SM is the one who make JYJ hurt. It’s annoy me that they are hanging around with ppl who bash JYJ. IT’S ANNOY ME SO MUCH. It’s annoy me… but i can’t mad with them forever, when i saw hm performance, i notice changmin’s habit when sing and glad it haven’t change…in the end i just hope, they life their own live.. and doing fine..
@alexia, I don’t read Homin’s news, do not watch their video clips, not even listen to their new songs. They are mature adults and they know how to take care themselves. JYJ fans should be united and focused on supporting JYJ, not deterred by those worthless comments.
Better yet, whenever we feel outraged by a “dislike” comment, instead of replying to reason with her/him, just simply reply with “I support JYJ”.
I wish there is a “Support JYJ” button/action with each comment, then if I “dislike” a comment, instead of click “reply”, I would just click “Support JYJ”. It would be great if clicking “Support JYJ” action would actually invoke making a donation to “JYJ Charity Foundation” http://www.facebook.com/JYJCF
I think you are right!!!. They barged in on the wrong site. This is JYJ’s Family site. So just ignored them completely!!!
As long as JYJ is fine with themselves, who will be their leader, then we accept their decisions.
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SUPPORT JYJ……SUPPORT JYJ COMPLETELY….
SUPPORT JYJ WHOLEHEARTEDLY……
i have always said that EVERYONE is entitled to their own opinion well unless as its not threatening someones life but all this man was state what he saw jaejoong as. this was his opinion and for other people to get angry at him is beyond pathetic. i too have always seen jaejoong as leader when i first discovered DBSK i did think jaejoong was the leader and either way this is JYJ not TVXQ. in my eyes jj is the leader of JYJ, people are so stupid gah im like pissed im sure they would want the freedom to say what they want im sure they hate it to when people tell them not to say things, those people are hypocrites and should scurry along and get a damn life and leave this man be, he also didnt have to apoligize i can already see those damn girls smirking cuz they got what they wanted!!
Can anyone give me link to this staff blog..i want to apologize to him
Here it is http://blog.livedoor.jp/asian9437/
I tried to leave a comment but it wouldn’t go through. I don’t know what I did wrong since I can’t read Japanese.
i just tried myself too, it’s not going through
Upii and Ashley
try to send the message in Japanese. It doesnt work if it is in english. I just tried my best with a translation engine and my comment went through.
@viee thanks dear ^^
Hope I don’t scared him off with my ‘Japanese’ ^^”
@viee It worked. Thank you. ^__^ Hopefully, he isn’t put off by the weird ‘Japanese’ since I only used google translator, LOL.
I used a translator engine and I read he already restored his article. Or tried to rewrite it as best he can remember. 🙂
He is really sweet. ^^
I hope someone can translate his article so we can know his thoughts. ^^
Some people read too much into things and consequently, overact.
I agree with JYJ3 staff comment. It’s high time we face the reality. JYJ is not in any way affiliated to the present TVXQ. They’re two different groups now. So in essence, that Japanese staff was referring to JYJ and yes, he was commenting about Jae’s apparent leadership skill.
Leader or not, Jae is always looking out for the other two members. In doing so, other people would get the impression that he’s indeed ‘the leader’ of JYJ.
There wasn’t any need for apology. He didn’t say anything wrong.
Gosh~ was that even necessary?
To attack someone and make him/her apologize for nothing? And it’s not even concerning the other party at all!!!?
Some people really need to face reality.
JJ, JS and YC are in JYJ
HM and cm are in TVXQ.
Granted JCS will still have consisted themselves part of TVXQ5. (Which is absolutely their right!)
But now they are working hard as JYJ.
Besides, somebody even claimed “those who left the flock cannot consisted themselves part of the group”
So what are those delusional people trying to do?
Agreed that this could be done by antis but I do feel HM stans and some ot5 fans have a hand in that too!
Why can’t they leave JYJ and JYJ fans alone?
HM stans, I know, feel oppressed and threatened by the success of JYJ.
They should just spend more time doing meaningful things to support HM instead of hanging around JYJ fan sites.
And ot5 fans,
What can I say to you which is not already said?
You accuse us of using the fan name “Cassie” and told us we are not allowed to when we did not.
Then you come and accuse us of not being a true fan because we don’t support HM when you know fully well you at at a JYJ fansite.
Then you accuse us of talking bad about HM when all we do was defend JYJ from what HM said and what their fans had done.
I asked, WHY do you come here in the first place?
Was there no other places that ot5 and HM fans hang out?
Fine if you really support JYJ. But all the things spoken by you did not tell me that!
All I see are one-sided accusations.
Do you realize what YOU, HM and HM stans have done are just slowly killing whatever soft-spot that the former TVXQ fans have for HM?
How many times must you be reminded that we have made our choice!
We don’t want to talk about HM if they don’t touch JYJ in the first place!
We are IGNORING them because we no longer care about them!
Isn’t it ironic that on one hand you tell us you want us to keve them alone yet you kept coming here to preach at us to support them?
Makes me wonder if you fear the day when JYJ and their fans really draw a line, HM and their fans will fade away.
I guess you realize that without JYJ, HM is going nowhere.
And, why are we doing this all the time?
Why do we, JYJ fans need to justify our stand here in our own backyard?
Gosh!
Save us the trouble will ya and retreat back to where you people belong.
Please don’t generalise us OT5 fans like that please. And I know it’s not just you. ;~;
I know some have seemed to leave a bad impression but there are many with good hearts who just want to see the boys happy, no matter if they’re together or not. I know it’s really upsetting at the moment and many of you guys are tired of OT5 fans preaching about being true fans and just wanting the five together, but please don’t say all OT5 fans are such and such. Because really, I think many of us aren’t like that – preaching about what a true fan is and of the like.
It really hurts. When people have a certain image of you – a terrible image – and accuse a whole fandom and you of something that only some have done. It hurts when you’re asked to leave and go back where you belong when where you belong has already split and broken in two. It hurts. And this is the pain not only OT5 fans feel, but a lot of fandoms, when were generalised and viewed as unwanted in any part of the split.
I know many JYJ fans are tired and sick of OT5s preaching to you. You’re tired of them defending people when all you want to do is love JYJ. But I don’t think that justifies categorising all of them as HM defenders who can’t catch a grip of reality.
Because not all of us are.
I know some of you don’t like to be generalised as such so please don’t do the same to us. All fandoms have their worst moments, but they also have their best. You’ve seen the worst, which I will apologise on behalf of us OT5 fans who aren’t forceful and preachers,but please also see our best. Because it’s there. We’re there. And we’re struggling to find a place because people say we belong in neither place and throw hateful words at us because of the comments of some few.
We’re not all like that. Not what many of you think. I hope you’ll see that some day. n_____n
awwwww
^.^
@ shia
i appreciate fans who can still love all five and respect the opinions of those who chose sides. i think its just tiring for some to be preached upon that they’re not true fans.
don’t feel bad and i do apologize on some of the crude generalizations of ot5 made. I just think some ot5 fans need to accept reality and let people move on. They can still support both sides but i just wish some accept the present harsh reality, cherish the past and peacefully move forward supporting both sides and not look down upon those who don’t share the same opinion.
don’t feel down, sometimes people get carried away when angry. so cheer up. your type of ot5 just seems to be a rare species that comment here hence the hostility towards ot5.
@ hakuna matata
Thank you for being so nice~. n_____n
Hehe, yeah~, I agree with you. It’s time to move on and accept the reality, which I hope some OT5 fans can do. ^^
I apologise for some of the fans preaching at you guys and such. I know it’s really rude to do so and I’m really sorry it happened. ;____;
But I’m glad that the people here are so understanding. <333
@ shia
First hi!
I believe you’ll have read through most comments these few day and noted the situation.
I will love to see ot5 fans supporting JYJ but unfortunately, many (Not all) that came in to comment are with an agenda.
How many times have we been reminding them that “it’s perfectly fine if you want to support all5. It’s even fine if you dont support JYJ but HM.”
It’s everyone’s own choice.
Just like it’s our choice to support JYJ.
However. many try to come and teach us what it is to be a true fan. Many came and accuse us of being like the Ho-tel girls, which i truely find insulting to be even mentioned in the same sentence.
If those people respect us, we will welcome them.
Thing is, “you come into our house, you’ve got to obey our rules.”
If anyone know they will take offence in the things JYJ fans say, (after all that nonsence HM and their fans and friends came up with), then my take is,
dont come in.
Simple!
@ Shadow
Hi~! n_____n
Hehe, yes, I’ve been reading through the comments the past few days and I can see there is quite a bit of hostility towards OT5 fans which is understandable given the nature of some OT5 fans. I understand how hurtful it can be when all you want to do is love JYJ but some OT5s would rather stir up controversy. It’s understandable, and it is insulting when one is compared to Hotel Girls. I agree and apologise for the fans who have rudely done so.
But, in a way, it’s insulting when people tell you to go back to where you came from as if you had no place. I know it’s probably only directed to some OT5 fans (which is fair) but it hurts because it sounds as if it’s directed to all fans when most aren’t preachers and most don’t really force their opinions on others. It’s also hurtful when people judge you and give you a bad reputation based on the acts of few and so on and so on. :3
I understand though and understand the matter at hand and I do agree with a lot of what you had to say. I respect your opinion, as I too have had to deal with some people who have constantly tried to force their opinion on me. Thank you for being so respectful in replying though. ^^
@Shia… You are welcome on this site even if you are an OT5 fan. The only thing, JYJ family asked of you guys are:
1 – Don’t dare defend the 2 members here. We DO NOT CARE ABOUT THEM. Sometimes, articles being posted here are connected with them or about them in connection with JYJ and most often than not its always comes out as a bad publicity on our boys, degrading, hurting and destructive. On the other hand its an easy free for all promotions for the 2TVXQ and this pisses us off. This brings us to #2.
2 – We freely express our selves here in defense of JYJ. If our comments come across with the impression of bashing the 2 members then its not our problem. Take it or if you can’t stomach it, get the heck out of this site and HECK NO, you can’t reply to our so called bashing and do #1. Otherwise you become the object of our so called “bashing”. So if you are not a masochist then do yourself a favor and don’t come on this site.
3 – Don’t come here to preach about being “A TRUE FAN”. Most JYJ fans here are mature (some goes with the age like myself 🙂 ) and we read, think and analyze most things before commenting here. We try to be fair as much as possible but don’t say one bad word about our boys or else all hell will break loose here. 🙂
I might have forgot something but you got the drift of what I’m trying to say. To HOMIN, their fanatics, and those off the wall unreasonable senseless and incoherent OT5 out there. You are not responsible for what people think or say about you but you are responsible for what you GIVE us to think and say about you.
@ Shia
Oh, by the way I am not bashing or lecturing you. Just trying to lay down what we do on this site. SO you know.
PEACE!
@Shita
thank you to understand us I never generalise OT5 fans even i am a new fans, i respect your love and you decision ,hope TO5 respect our too…any thing else other girls said a ready…wellcome anytime if you feeling something to share with us under understand condition “
@Shia Thank you for expressing this. The “go away OT5 fans” comments were really distressing to me. I wish people could understand that OT5 fans most likely to comment obnoxiously are the ones who want to be preachy or pushy. Many OT5 fans may not have anything to add to the comment thread, so they keep quiet — but it doesn’t mean they don’t support JYJ or think JYJ fans aren’t “true fans.”
When I see so many threads where people tell OT5 fans to go away, I think the likelihood of hearing from an OT5 fan who *doesn’t* want to preach gets smaller and smaller. So I’m really glad you spoke up and let people know that not all OT5 fans are alike.
@Shia
For those OT5 fans who continue to have great affection for JYJ and support them, you are welcome. You have a perfect right to also support HM.
I’m not a current/former Cassie, just an I-fan who found out about TVXQ a few years ago and fell in love with their music, talent and hardwork. Also, I think they have terrific personalities. But, I was able to move on when I realized what a viper’s nest SME is. One day HM will be bitten enough they will come out, but I’m not going to hold my breath. I just hope they survive.
What I think is missing for those who CLAIM they are OT5 fans and feel they have to ‘correct’ our thinking here, is this…
This is A PLACE CALLED HOME for JYJ and JYJ fans. This is OUR HOUSE. Although we don’t go out and invite OT5 fans here, when they ring our doorbell to visit, we expect them to follow HOUSE rules. It is bad manners to insult your host. You don’t put your feet on the furniture, you don’t open the refrigerator without permission, you ask if you can use the RR, etc.
And most importantly, you DO NOT disprespect ANY FAMILY member, NOR do you disrepect our charges…JYJ. They are under our full and complete protection. Mess with them, you mess with us. You really don’t want to see what happens if that occurs. So, to those supposed OT5 fans, PAY HEED.
But again, welcome. Whenever you visit, you are going to experience something different from the other sites you may frequent. People here respect each other. We like seeing, hearing, learning about, and enjoying ALL THINGS JYJ. It’s so much FUN! Lot’s of laughter and good feelings here. But we don’t shirk our responsibilities to look out for them.
Hope you come back often and experience the JYJ EFFECT.
@Butterfliesarefree
Babe, nice way to put it. 🙂
@ nikky_p_28 & ButterfliesAreFree
Thank you for replying. n_____n
First off, yes, I understand all the things you have listed as I have also mentioned them above. I have also been reminded of this a thousand times over by others in many other sites and do agree to the terms. However, I believe I am not one of those who do preach and say rude things. And I also believe there are many other OT5 fans who do not do this. ^^
My point isn’t that you shouldn’t dislike some OT5 fans. You have a right to do so after some have done some things to offend you. My point is that it wouldn’t hurt to add ‘some’ in front of OT5 when expressing them in a negative light or such, i.e, please don’t group us all as preachers and offensive people. Because we most of us aren’t. Most of us understand what to do and what not to do. Adding ‘some’ in front of OT5 fans could help mature OT5 fans who do understand the rules but don’t comment often to realise that the comment isn’t actually directed at them and that they aren’t hated and unwanted. Because as you are tired of other fans coming in and starting ‘fanwars’, we are tired of people grouping all of us as a bunch of people who are rude and offensive and cannot comprehend certain regulations. It’s hard when you have a bad reputation based on the acts of a few people when you know that there are many fans who aren’t immature. And that reputation is making it hard for you to speak when you think that there are some people who might jump at you if you say you’re an OT5 fan, based on the image and a stereotypical view. It’s just that those mature fans aren’t heard often when the cry of preachers and such pierce through our voice. I know mature OT5 fans are welcome, but it’s hard to see that when we feel as if we’re all spoken to when people address us as offensive, rude, unwanted and not liked. So it wouldn’t hurt to add ‘some’ when commenting so that we know better. That’s all I was trying to say. n_____n
I’m not saying that you can’t say anything bad about OT5 fans or something like that. As I have mentioned many times above, you have a right to do so and that doesn’t bother me. I’m just saying that it’s hurtful when we’re all generalised and grouped all together as a hateful fandom or of the sort. Please don’t have an image that all of us are rude. Because most of us aren’t. ❤
@ anva
Thank you. ^^
I understand how hard it can be for you when some people try to start ‘fanwars’ and such, so thank you for keeping an open mind on us fans. ❤
@ sakana17
No problem~! n_____n
I’m glad there’s someone who feels the same and understands. Because you’re right, not all OT5 fans are alike and it can be hurtful when they’re all viewed negatively. There are heaps of mature OT5 fans, I hope many people can see this one day. <333
Oh, also, I apologise if I offend anybody as it wasn’t my intention. This place is very welcoming and I appreciate how open and understanding the people are here and their level of acceptance. Also, it’s a fantastic blog run by fantastic people with fantastic fans and such. ^^
@Shia
You are right about ‘stereotyping’, being grouped together with negative behavior. It is correct to point that out. I whole heartedly agree with you. It is no fun.
Being a racial miniority in the U.S., I grew up with that same experience. So, I am not insensitive to your concerns. I do hope my fellow family members here will consider this when responding in their comments. It does hurt to be lumped in with negativity.
I’m just hoping that those OT5 folks who are on a mission to wreck havoc come to understand, this won’t happen here. If they really care, really do, they will spend more time trying to help their faves move on. Help them in ways that will raise their profiles rather than trash them.
Again, come as often as you like and hopefully enjoy your experience. Lot’s of fun, interesting information gets shared here, and quickly too, I might add. 🙂 Makes coming back several times a day a real treat. So, don’t be a stranger.
@ ButterfliesAreFree
Thank you for being so considerate and understanding! ^^
I really appreciate it. n______n
Yes, without JYJ, HM is nothing!!!! JYJ consists of 3 talented ones. They composed, good vocals & good stage performers.
SME is afraid of JYJ’s fans all over the world!!! That’s why they did lots of “coward things” behind JYJ’s back…
No matter what you Homin’s fans said, we don’t bloody care at all!!!
I SUPPORT JYJ WHOLEHEARTEDLY!!!
dont say that dear.. lets just keep supporting jyj. No need to say homin are nothing without jyj. I believe now they are 2 diff groups that doesnt need to be compare. ^^
come down,bb!dont need to compare..just concentrate to our love JYJ!! HM they have their own path..let it be!!!
A++++++++++++++++
this is just…. well said! 😀
First thought: Wow, attacking that blogger was lame.
Second thought: Are those on the other side seriously insecure or something? Again, exulting your bias doesn’t mean bringing down all other around him.
Third thought: HoMin bias fans, get the f*ck away from our happy place ok? Go play in the schoolyard where you all belong.
I don’t care about whether JYJ has a leader or not. Yunho and Changmin are now TVXQ. They are not in JYJ. Who cares if Jae becomes leader?
The fans attack the staff are idiots and full of shit.
OT5, why the hell are you guys at this site? It would be no fanwar here without you guys.
Go away to OT5 fansites and stay there forever with people like you. Preaching on how JYJ fans should behave do nobody good. It irritates people even more.
I’m ex Cassie, does that make me any less of a fan than you are? I don’t think so. You don’t know the guys any more than I do.
For the past 7 years, I was a fan of them but now I’m not. I keep the faith for JYJ only and you should respect that. I no longer support HM. I don’t care who becomes a leader in JYJ.
I don’t care about HM. Respect that and move on.
This site belongs to JYJ fans. So please press the “x” to exit this site if you are not happy about what’s written here.
There are many other sites that you can help yourself to visit, lesser headache, less fanwar. Peace for all.
You can’t change people’s perception no matter what you say so why bother? Deal with it.
Let me just add:
JYJ does not need the name “TVXQ” anymore. They have found their niche as JYJ.
To all JYJ haters, think about this: who is more desperately trying to cling onto that name and “legacy” between the two sides?
This was such a stupid and mindless assault on an innocent bystander.
Fans need to grow up. “Leader” is just an overhyped title that means nothing at the end of the day if you don’t behave like one.
@fleur
“Leader” is just an overhyped title that means nothing at the end of the day if you don’t behave like one.”
How true is that! 🙂
So are they (whoever it applies to) claiming “leader” for copyright?
Or do we have to step in and tell them that leader =/= yunho?
Or are they too far gone to even have common sense now?
Stupid ppl should not be given the time of day. Just let them wallow on their misery.
My sister-bff likes to say, “you can’t fix stupid.” Totally agree.
i wish there was a LIKE button here! LOL
euh. lame.
agree to what most commenters have said, except some of those holier-than-thou OT5 and homin fan / jyj hater-in-disguise.
to whoever attacked 3hree Voices’s Japanese Staff:
are you terribly afraid that your ‘awesome leader’ would be overshadowed by jaejoong? or, you fear that one day people would now who the real leader when TVXQ was five, and sadly your ‘awesome leader’ is exposed as only puppet of SM? or maybe you are SME fella that is told by the company to continuously drag JYJ’s image down in every possible way?
LMAO yeah.. They are beyond desperate, no? Jejung FTW!!
stupid butt hurt hotel girls!!
FYI jaejoong is and has always been the leader!!
he was always silently leading the group since way back.
i am sure its just that he was too modest to accept the leader position of the leader cause “someone-who-knows-nothing” was dying to be so!
so face it suckers!
JAEJOONG IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE THE LEADER–
our JYJ always better and ahead of thoughtless and gutless people,cause our guys got the balls of steel!
haven’t you heard their music essay??
PERIOD.
Love that expression 2VXQ. I will use that from now on.
And since when did hyung have any other role besides leader? Jaejoong speaks for the group, he says when to say “anyoung haseyeo, JYJ imnida” most of the time. Looks like a leader to me. But with 3 of them, they have a more fluid relationship respecting each other’s talents.
Seems to me the only ones to have the right to object to that title are Yoochun and Junsu and I don’t think they were the ones complaining. They said they worry about Jaejoong because as the hyung, he takes too many burdens on himself and worries too much. Because he is a real leader, the kind to really live for the other members. Not trying to cheat them or control them….
Like too. I think they should hurry up and apply for trademark on that one. I’m pretty sure nobody as in no one would even raise an eyebrow. *sarcasm* LOL
jaejoong is indeed a good leader and hyung…he really care about his teammate..
awww
I feel really sorry toward the staff. There was no need to delete the entry and posted an apology. That staff did nothing wrong. Stating’s one opinion/impression about someone/something is totally a person’s right, esp since that staff didnt even compare or mention any other names, just JYJ. So I really dont get why those ppl attacked this blog???? What is wrong with those ppl???? They are really so bored with nothing to do
I am also fine with fans who dont share the same view w/ this JYJ family. I respect your choice, so please respect our choice as well, and respect us here in our home. That way, we can all get along fine
And final note: fake-OT5 and JYJ-anti , why are you bother being here????? go support your own idols and leave us and JYJ alone!!!!
It was the staff’s own opinion in his own blog. He doesn’t have to apologize for what he wrote.
This is so rediculous cuz he just stated his opinion and thought about Jaejoong. I mean it just his OPINION for god sake. Why those people who can’t even stand him calling JJ the leader so upset about this. Guys…WAKE UP AND FACE THE REALITY. JAEJOONG is in JYJ now!
i think ot5 fan shud wake up now… i used 2 be ot5 fan but when homin did many ‘useful’ things to jyj i realize that it is IMPOSSIBLE for them 2 be back 2gether as 5 again… so i suport JYJ with all my heart… n i think jj is gonna be a great leader 2 jyj since he is professional+dedicated+hardworking+genius+caring+hot… OT5 fans i respect ur decisions 2 support all d 5 members but please do respect our decisions 2…. dun force other people 2 support all d 5 bcoz jyj fans are not only made up of cassiopeia but also there r NEW FANS here…. sometime i think OT5 fans r great bcoz they able to keep their faith until now but sometime it is too much… just stop being delusional n hoping too much 4 them to comeback a 5 again bcoz what homin had said about jyj are soooooo harsh… truthfully i dun want they comeback as 5 again bcoz what homin did r soo disgraceful n i dun want 2 see jyj being hurt anymore… do u guys realize what junsu said n been hinting all this while ‘ I LOST PEOPLE IN THE PAST ‘……. maybe OT5 think this word mean 4 SMTOWN family but i think it also refer 2 homin…. jyj also have not been talking about homin anymore…. so please its ok 4 ot5 fans 2 support TVXQ5 but please respect that jyj have new fan ad…. but i think i need 2 remnd something 2 ot5 fans, DO NOT HAVE HIGH HOPE FOR THEM TO COMEBACK AS FIVE TOGETHER AGAIN BECAUSE WHEN IT IS NOT HAPPENING, ALL OF YOU WILL FEEL REALLY3 PAIN IN THE INSIDE…. well just saying……. peace
Honestly, I’ve never really understood the K-Pop obsession of giving everyone in a group a title. I still have no idea what on earth a a group “leader” does.
There’s only 5 of them (or in this case 3) for crying out loud! It’s a small enough group for it to be very cooperative and to work based on mutual respect and equality. If “leader” means “spokesman” then then it’s kind of redundant anyway since every single member will speak in interviews and performances anyway. Does the “leader” handle any of the logistics? I’m 99.9% sure they don’t because that’s what the staff is for.
So yeah, JJ has always been the caretaker of the group even in Tohoshinki b/c he just has very caring and nurturing personality. But the whole obsession over who is the “real” “leader” seems absurd to me. K-Pop “leaders” don’t seem to have real responsibilities except to say on camera “I’m the leader.”
Someone please educate me if there’s more to this “leader” business that I’m not understanding.
I understand the concept of having a lead vocal/frontman for a band but what the hell is a “leader”??? I have no idea what “leaders” do and why everyone cares so much who has that title.
In a group as small as 3 to 5 people, it seems everyone plays a little bit of every role. I’ve done plenty of group projects that size where there’s no need to appoint a leader b/c everyone respects each other and trusts their work.
Why do K-management companies need to name people as a “leader” or “maknae”? Honestly, who really cares who is the youngest or oldest? I know it matters for whether you call someone hyung, noona, or donsaeng for functionally it seems to make little difference …
The more I think about this the less it makes sense
actually I think they borrow the leader thing from jpop. Mainly JE boyband. But unlike in kpop, jpop dont take the leader thing seriously. Its more of a title where it means the other members can use it to bully him lols.
Case in point is arashi. They pick Ohno as leader in live tv by using rock-paper-scissors for crying out loud!
The only kpop leader I will acknowledge is eric from shinhwa. What he did for shinhwa is he true definition for leadership. And as a prove? shinhwa is still standing strong even after they left sme.
omg you’re like me ^^; I never understood the purpose for this leader business other than the fact that most k-pop group leaders might use it as a title and flaunt it in an interview. Will having the ‘leader’ title gain you automatic respect? Will it gain them special treatment? (That’s a load of bull, sorry.)
Yea, so if someone can explain maybe the purpose or origin of the ‘leader’, please do so ^^;;;?
@nichie Another example of a leader by title only is YamaPi. He’s the leader of NEWS because the group was formed around him. He’s the face of the group but that’s it.
But yes, I never took the title of leader seriously until I found out about Eric of Shinhwa. Now, that’s a leader and it’s not just in name.
@aki
lol its because pi is the only one who is already famous at that point.One thing news ais lacking is their image need to go more silly. Like smap and arashi before them, they need to ruin their image first. Pi is too “cool” in image to be the leader. Either go to the silly route ala nakai and ohno. Or the scary silly like sakamoto.
@nichie LOL, I know. ^^ YamaPi has this reputation of being too cool for words and the few times he tries to be dorky, he still comes out cool, LOL. Koyama is the funniest and most talkative one in the group, so I guess he’s the one who could be like Nakai. As for Ryo, even in Eito, he’s not really one of the boisterous ones. NEWS needs to have a variety show or do more activities together in general, to be more recognized as a group.
Ah, I miss the Johnny’s fandom. How long have you been a fan? Do you like Arashi mostly or did you also follow the other groups? Sorry for going out of topic, this is the first time I’ve met a JYJ fan who’s also a Johnny’s fan. ^^
@Aki yeah,Eric is a real leader , He is worthy of our love and respect, just look at what he done to protect the members & the name of “SHINHWA”.And Yunho ,the leader,with him-just a title ,because when people ask about the truth -his answer is “I didn’t know…”,he know nothing that ‘s why ,
@aki
umm 5 years now? I was a jpop fan first. And yes arashi is my babies. They still and will forever hold a special place in my heart lol
U read my mind! koyama definitely deserve to be the leader. He’s playful and cheerful enough to be one.
I mostly follow arashi, but occasionally news, tokio, v6..rarely kattun, and never smap. LOL. kimutaku is my man, but seriously, smap cant carry a tune. Thank God they’re funny and talented enough in another departement.
So I guess u r a news fan? and I hope its ok with the admin that we are out of topic, the comment section here is boiling, we can use some little refreshment ;P
@nichie Mods, we’re sorry for going out of topic. ^^
Yeah, I’m a NEWS fan and my fave Johnny’s is YamaPi, LOL. But it was MatsuJun who baited me into the fandom. Arashi was the first Johnny’s group I fangirl’ed before I found NEWS. ^^ I followed KAT-TUN a little bit (when Jin was still around) and also Kanjani8 (for Ryo). As for the sempais, the only group I really fangirl’ed was KinKi Kids. I never warmed up to SMAP, but I admire their achievements.
@aki
omg I was junbaited too! I think 70% of arashi fans are. LOL. Matsujun and his eyebrows are deathly combination.
I knew pi from his dorama stand up! with nino. He was soooo scrawny, its scary >.< and then nobuta sealed the deal. He was so cute in it.
Have u seen any smap variety? its pretty epic. I know they once invited tohoshinki to come, and I was so happy they did.
@nichie My Jun-bait was Gokusen: Sawada Shin hit me hard, lol. I got to know YamaPi in Nobuta wo Produce and I began to like him there. But what sealed the deal for me and made me a fan was his Music Station perf of Daite Senorita where he dropped the mic and was caught lipsynching – Pi was so embarrassed and awkward after and it just did something for me. I’m weird, what can I say? ^_^;
I watched a lot of Johnny’s guesting in Utaban where Nakai is the one of the hosts and a few episodes of Bistro SMAP. Tohoshinki performing Purple Line and Doushite with SMAP was something I never thought would happen but SMAP had always been a special case within the Johnny’s. But for variety shows, I tend to watch more of Domoto Kyoudai and mostly Arashi shows like Himitsu, VS and the old ones like D no Arashi.
okay.. my suggestion to those fans is this.. since u think JYJ is just a subgroup of tvxq, why not let JJ be the leader? heck SJM even has their own leader before hangeng left. But also keep in mind, this is what the staff think, u cant blame him. Not one word from jyj or cjes about who is the leader of jyj.
If u want to terrorize someone, how about not the people who are trying to HELP JYJ???
read what is written by the staff:
“This work is produced by people with pure and kind hearts for the sake of them and their fans.
In other words, this production does not involve the people who had been used as some kind of trading stocks until now.”
aka avex and sme.
so if u want to bash, use it for good cause, like to sme or avex *sigh*
anyway people..lets support the staff and leave encouraging comments! here is the address :
http://blog.livedoor.jp/asian9437/
I sent my stupid looking Japanese message with the characters for Gomen nasai as opening and then followed it up with english text. It went through!
You just have to put some Japanese first.
There are people so stupid they can not or will not acknowledge what is obvious, in this case, the natural leadership of Jaejoong. These hotel girl who can not lose comfortable.
Turning to happier news, I have finally Their rooms in my hands, I am too happy!
Thats so upsetting to hear 😦 I just sent an apology to Hayato-san. From what I saw, there were a lot of comments saying sorry as well. I wish I knew proper japanese, so I could really say how I felt.
Which entry is the one where he apologized? I want to post a comment but don’t know at which entry >_< I tried to use google trans but ended up even more confused…
Ik! I literally translated from english to japanese, then back to english several time. I had to do small sentences at a time to make sure the message didnt get all jumbled and mixed up grammatically. Unfortunately I didnt get to say all I want to say, it was pretty short but its better to leave a comment than no comment at all.
oh also the entry name is “sorry”, its the top entry I believe, that where I left my comment.
I tried to leave a comment but it kicked me out.
how did you post yours?
I tried leaving a comment too, but it didn’t post. Do we have to create an account before we can post?
@coffee craze and Aki
I just followed viee’s comment above, we have to comment in Japanese ^^
no, you can use the same name you use here, but make sure the comment is in Japanese or the site will not accept it 🙂
@chuxx Thank you. ^__^
@chuxx and viee
…my ability in Japanese is zero and to put in translation web, it’s gonna be funny Japanese. So I will leave to your good hands, hahaha…
lololol same! it took me about…30 mins or less to come up with like 4 simple sentences.
lol I think we’re all in the same boat ^^”
It’s alright even the great Kim Jaejoong uses google translate too *wink wink*
I did it, haha..thanks viee, finally…
i approve jaejoong to be a leader. i see what i see.. n what i see is jaejoong just shows his true color, that is being a leader. enough said.
Well that rather childish and stupid for people to bitch at him for stating his opinion. What’s the big deal with jaejoong been the leader of JYJ, its not tvxq for heaven’s sake.
Wish some people would accept reality and move on. Let the past be, cherish its wonderful memories and move on.
There is nothing to say Jaejoong as a leader. He IS a leader for JYJ. What is wrong with it? I just don’t
understand. Don’t they have better things to do?
When the war will stop? Hate it!
I don’t get what’s wrong with these people….JYJ is their own group now and i don’t see anything wrong with Jaejoong being the leader. People need to grow up and realize that they’re trying to move on with their lives. They might get back together one day but i don’t see it happening any time soon. I didn’t see these people attacking Changmin when he made his geese comment so why get mad for someone calling Jae a leader? I’ll say this…Jae has ALWAYS been the leader to me even in the TVXQ days. I actually always wondered why Yunho was the official leader of the group. Jaejoong takes care of his members and protects them. It’s time for people to let them move on.
Hey, no japanese staff should be apologising, if anyone its the people getting angry.
How rude of them to get angry, what right do they have?
That account was supposed to be a good thing that allow fans to see how amazing our boys are.
It cant be helped if jaejoong oppa is overflowing with leadership qualities that one must acknowlege.
I really wonder if those fans realise that this is JYJ NOT TVXQ.
And to OT5 fans, dont come here and try to preach to us cause if your kind are getting angry about this issue we have every right to stick up for JYJ because we are their fans, true at heart no bullshit.
The blog’s comments are flooded with comments thanking him for his post, telling him how comforted and encouraged by his posts, telling him not to worry about antis etc.
I left a comment telling him his blog posts were translated into English and posted here (Does he know about this?) and the I-fans were also laughing, crying, feeling mad/sorry because of the antis like the Japanese fans.
I’ve been sitting here and I’m absolutely perplexed at what has happenned. I read that beautiful blog article just yesterday and had no idea it would turn out like that.
Antis of JYJ, whatever name they go under, are looking for the tiniest reason, as stupid and irrelevant as it may be, to hurt the boys, and especially Jaejoong.
The boys themselves said there’s no leader, but even if JJ was chosen, let’s imagine, then what is wrong with it and how it affects TVXQ??? I don’t get it, I honestly don’t.
Besides, if we understand a leader = a hyung (older brother), like it’s present in Korea and especially in Kpop groups, then Jaejoong can’t help not to be one, since he’s the eldest among the three. So it’s like a fact one can’t rewrite, dismiss or pretend it doesn’t exist.
What irritates me the most, however, is that Japanese staff person had to apologize for doing absolutely nothing wrong!
THIS!
honestly i’m tired of fandom fighting…i wish 15 march come quickly…and jyj can go further without looking back
I really want to calm down and be interested only in our boys but someone constantly take us by the hair in these unnecessary fights between fans.
This is irritating, tiring and frustrating me!
Once again I would not have read this post and have focus on something more positive.
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Are you serious with this comment?
Please don’t wish anyone to die, such wishes put JYJ fans on the same level as HoMin fans who wished all JYJ and OT5 to die in comments to KYHD video on YouTube, I still shudder remembering the mass-wishing of death coming from them….
even antis twit ‘Go Die’ to jyj on their twitter…my heart hurt thinking if jyj reading those twit. T___T
yeah, Gary, I happenned to see it too, in English 😦 My only hope is that due to so many tweets pouring in non-stop, the boys will overlook those particular hateful messages.
………. oh man…….
Be classy babe~
Chillax and be classy. I play this clip when I get mad/upset, it helps me to chill. http://goo.gl/FcEtD
don’t be such an idiot..you are same like those antis
WOW ….you are no fan of JYJ, you are a anti. Why would wish death upon someone else..especially the two boys who were once like brothers to JYJ. Relax, JYJ wouldn’t like it if they hear what you just said.
pls dont say that!even you get mad, we jyj fans not like those antis!! we have our lover and logical..we dont want hater effect our mind ,we are better than them!!
I’m patiently waiting for the day that I won’t have to read something like a bad news or a vindictive act from these childish TVXQ5 fans…
its frickin JYJ not TVXQ. why they even bother bitching the staff, antis these days…i cant even… tsk tsk tsk
Guys, Hayato put the article back up, yeah…
I love this man ^^
Can I share that there’s a dad sharing his experience watching JYJ andworried about them with his daughter in his blog, so cute…
Really? He did? COOL!!
Pls do share. It’s always good to hear nice things…
Good news.
I didn’t expect him to put it back up, I’m happy.
Really? That’s great. Thank god he wasn’t put off by all those antis.
Maybe he posted it back up because of the positive messages left by JYJ fans 🙂
Wait a minute, a dad was worrying over JYJ with his daughter? How cool is that? JYJ effectin action!
Thanks for the info.
Thanks for the info : )
I’m glad he did.
And please share the story about the dad. 🙂 It sounds adorable.
anyone besides –>ME<– wonder why HoMin made a comeback as TVXQ(2) instead of 'Yunho and Changmin of TVXQ'?? while when JaeChun were doing "COLORS~Melody and Harmony~" promos, they went by 'Jejung and Yuchun of Tohoshinki'??
besides the fact that the locations were Korea and Japan, what other reasoning is there?
just saying and wondering~
Personally, I feel that right now, tempers are flaring and this is not good to an already quite inflammatory situation.
I’m having mixed feeling on this – the blog writer was certainly entitled to his/her opinions, including JJ being the leader and should not have to apologise or delete a very sweet, uplifting entry about this. However, I do not believe it is fair to say that “only persons denigrating TVXQ5 are 2VXQ”. Other fans can also do this although undoubtedly, Homin (and/or the interpretation of Homin’s words) have a key role to play.
Regardless, I feel that fandom needs to calm a bit… so that negative emotions can be channeled into something positive. Not to fuel more negativity.
No matter what they tell us…No matter what they do….No matter what they teach us…What we believe is true…
JJ ah, you’re our leader….
🙂
I think people are getting to sensitive over things that shouldn’t be, One if anyone really read what he said and got the meaning then I think , You would understand why he’s saying that he See’s JaeJoong As the Leader, One the step that JaeJoong is taking for this world concert is BIG one he’ is going to be the Director that is a Big Title, Here is what that world means: DIRECTOR: One who, or that which, directs; one who regulates, guides, or orders; a manager or superintendent. MEANINGS this qualifies him to be of leader status he is taking charge of a situation. I don’t think he meant leader in a why of he’s controlling JYJ but he is the oldest and they do look up to him in that aspect. Still don’t mean he’s the leader of them cause they said they don’t have one. Leader and Director have the same Characteristics. But lets not yell at everyone who they meet that might feel he’s taken that role.
Typo I said world means/ word is what i ment there.
Did I miss something?
What are these TVXQ fans blathering?
From what I remember TVXQ made their come back on January with just 2 persons. U-know is their leader and I don’t doubt it.
JYJ is another group that made its debut as such in October. It consists of three persons and it’s not well defined who is the leader. We only know that Homin not belong to it. For this reason the chosen leader can only be one among Jae/Chun/Su (if they decide to have one). PERIOD.
Everything else is wasting your own breath.
some people are just….. bitter bitches.
JJ can be my leader my hyung my boss. He is doing a much better job than the previous TVXQ leader. For a start – Yunho can’t even control Changmin from condeming the other TVXQ members in public.
I think people need to calm down. All famous people have antis. Homin has antis, Big Bang has antis, Arashi has antis, and JYJ has antis too. It’s a fact of life in fandom. Some antis made some unpleasant comments on the blog, the blogger apologized and then decided to ignore them. Let’s just ignore the haters and get on with doing what we can to support JYJ.
I think JJ would make a good leader and he has done more as a leader for tvxq5 than yunho ever did hell even yunho has said before that jj was his rock. So I don’t think they should have changed anything also because jyj is a entirely separate group to tvxq now.
As for homin I don’t think anyone is forcing them to lie. It may be scripted but they chose to read said script aloud. If sm was so horrible and forcing them to do all these things that go against their beliefs(since yunho is a christian) then again why didn’t they leave. To all ot5 fans if you want to do jyj a favor stop lying to yourselves. It does nothing but make this situation 10 times harder for them. And homin have already said that jyj need to come back to sm in order for them to be together and thats not going to happen.
I loved all tvxq5 with all my heart for a long time but one day I woke up and decided that for all of their sakes I was going to stop being selfish, and realize that tvxq5 is nothing but a beautiful memory.
Is true
TVXQ5 is just a beautiful memory in our lives, and as such we can continue listening to their songs without remorse. For now we just have to JYJ and Jae is the undisputed leader of this trio, let the other two to follow their path as they followed, if they sink in a well, which is not
with our help, then do not feel bad about their misfortune
300+ comments.
WOWWOWWOW.
@Cris…in response to @lolwut
You have managed to say it better than has been said before. I salute, and thank you.
This comment will probably piss off a few people, but I
truly don’t mean any harm.
To JYJ3 adm:
I understand the reason behing this post, and I share it.
But i think is unnecesary to drag HoMin here.
I know it was the fans who felt “bad” about JJ being
called a leader who brought Yunho into the discussion but
shouldn’t we be better than them?
To some oh so called OT5 fans:
Please if you feel uncomfortable here, go back to “true”
blog where I’m sure you feel a lot more comfortable.
Go to HoMin (and Yunho) thread at soompi where I’m also
sure you feel a lot more comfortable
To true OT5 fans:
… I have nothing to say… it mus be painful to go to
jyj and homin sites… and in general painful to suport
both when things clash at times.. my symphaty. And stay
at ot5 sites? I think is the less painful thing to do
Now about the issue:
well, I don’t think JYJ will have an official leader
actually. The reason is because they already say that
before, but also because they know each other for many
years and they have establish way to relate with each other.
But there is a not official lider too, the one who naturally takes the lead in things.
With not title as leader, he is recognized as one. And that is what the staff member saw in Jaejoong
And I think is also because of the relationship they have with each other. Jaejoong was always the oldest, and all the members relay a lot on him.
The jyj3 admin was just putting her point across and its true there was no harm in him calling jj a leader and homin have done a lot more to hurt tvxq5 than jyj ever did by leaving. Plus this is a strictly jyj site so what better place to post that opinion than here. Not angry with you just stating my thoughts.
@cris best comment ever on this subject!
more than 300 comments wow.
about the case above, i agree with you all!
i used to be an OT5 with my friends. now, all of us, one by one, realized that TVXQ5 was just memories. and one by one converted into JYJ fans 😛
i love jyj fansites and jyj fans itself.
never care about things that was posted in HoMin sites, and somehow that makes jyj fans looks super cool.
but why HM stans can’t do that?
annoying.
btw, JJ would make a great leader if he wanted to 😉
erm…Yunho is “label” TVXQ leader. Jaejoong is JYJ natural leader. EVen dumbassses can tell that. Geez…OT5, 2TVXQ Cassies, Homin fans seriously need to gtfo. can they please get out of our lives? We never butt in, in their bussiness. Can they please do the same? This fuckery need to be gone like … now!
okay i get it….if leader equals stupidity, cowardice, puppets with strings, trying too hard, forgettable, know nothings….okay you win….you can have all the wins in your arguments. You mad? Im mad with your stupid logic on this matter so i intend to make who ever read this to be mad. Your immaturity make me mad, i decide to be immatured and make you mad as well. Being mad is hard and used up lots of ATPs.
Admins and JYJ fans im sorry for this but the fact that im late and mad, doesnt help me trying to be nice.
I don’t know what the fuss is about, the statement is not even official.But even so that for the JYJ members to decide.If the rumors about Jaejoong being the leader is indeed true we should be happy that he finally has the confidence he lacked before is a sign of maturity and that the group would be set for great things. Jaejoong’s sensivity would be a plus, besides I’m static that he’d develop leader like qualities…So go JYJ,go Jaejoong!
Sometimes you have to stop to think and no matter how much that unless a person can be your boyfriend, friend or brother, he is able to discern on the correct way to walk in this life, is able to distinguish the good or bad, have no tail of straw, trying to live a life with honesty, especially with yourself and always guided by the values we have acquired from our parents or guardians, values that govern our society and that most are ignorant and we are influenced or manipulated by false characters who manipulate these valores.Uno must realize what is wrong, we can not continue to deceive, regardless of the feelings of one or the other, one has to discern the actions that are correct and that son.Es not correct the dirty tricks against the sm JYJ? is correct excessive and malicious attack from some fans to discredit JYJ launching false and distorted information Is it OK to abuse the fans who once idolized the five when they made wonderful performances and now hear those songs sung badly by others or with playback of voices aunsetes Is it OK to disrespect you kpop group was the most famous in asia and its members by making them look pathetic as seen in video, where yunho could not hide how bad and uncomfortable that he felt?. The truth is sad to see how events unfold today, I can not believe what just the best group of all Asia.Sin But one can not be always looking backwards, the past will be a beautiful memory, the world turns, and you have have to move on, personally, I will follow the path you chose JYJ, because with his album The Beginning they started again. Thanks to the administrators of this blog is as a haven for all lovers of JYJ.
hi spirit i feel the same way, i was a tvxq fans since their debut and after the law suit i tried to support all of them either JYJ and Homin, i even tried to be neutral because to me tvxq is 5 of them. even i tried to read all articles in jyj and homin fanbase and after i watch homin on knee guru i realize tvxq is no longer exist,i make me sad for the group that i love for almost 7 years. but its the truth while they bad mouthing other parties, JYJ is make a donation. Kim Jaejoong, Park Yoochun, Kim Junsu you guys make me proud to be your fans. see you in Indonesia in April, i will not shout TVXQ, i will shout JYJ till the end
Some people have serious problems, this staff member only wanted to share his thoughts anout Jaejoong and in answer he got bashed and had to delelete his entry and apologize ?! What the hell is going on in this world ? He was talking about JYJ, not TVXQ, if he feels that Jaejoong is like the leader of JYJ then it’s his right and he shouldn’t have had to apologize for expressing his opinion.
For those who consider that JYJ are still part of TVXQ and so that his comment was offensive towards Yunho, even when a group creates a subgroup they sometimes name a leader for this subgroup so what’s the big deal if JJ is indeed JYJ’s leader or acts like one ?
For others, JYJ and TVXQ are now 2 separates groups so JYJ are allowed to have a leader and if their leader is JJ I feel that it’s the best choice.
Anyways, as I said in a previous article, I’ve always think JJ has the potential and the charisma to be a great leader, even during TVXQ5 time. I’m not saying Yunho is a bad leader, I guess he is okay, but I noticed that Jaejoong was always there for his members and that they could lean on him a lot. After all, he wasn’t known as the “unofficial leader” or the “second leader” of TVXQ5 (alongside Yunho ofc) for nothing. There is a reason why fans, and even some staff members, perceived him this way and it’s only right that he is finally being recognized as such.
That’s also why I was a bit upset when Yunho ranked first in the poll of the best idol group’s leader. This place should have belonged to Shinhwa’s Eric. This man is what I call a true leader, but yeah… whatever.
About the OT5 fans leaving comments here, I understand your point of view, I used to cling to that hope that the 5 would soon come back together too (and maybe they will, but if they do it’s not going to be soon imo) but after all the things HoMin said/did since the beginning of the lawsuit till today, (their fathers’ letters, the statement that they signed and which accused JYJ of leaving because of Crebeau and being greedy, the famous “goose interview” and all the other interviews that followed, the whole “TVXQ Act2”, “KYHD”, the “JYJ didn’t try to contact us” and “we didn’t know about the lawsuit” etc.), I can’t keep being blind and supporting them because, consciously or not, they are putting JYJ in a bad light.
I love the old TVXQ5 but I feel nothing for TVXQ2. I listened to their songs and even watched some of their performances (though it was painful) but I only liked 2 of their songs or so and, more importantly, I dislike their attitude now.
Plus, as many already pointed out, this is a JYJ fansite, people here support JYJ, not HoMin so we’re free to critizice them if we feel like they deserve it. You can’t force people here to like HoMin or to support them, even more knowing that some fans only became fan after the break up and don’t care about TVXQ5.
A lot of people became fan of JYJ through Yoochun and SKK so they don’t give a damn about HoMin. Telling those people who weren’t even Cassies in the first place that they are not true fans if they don’t support the 5 members is pointless and disrespectful.
And it’s true that I often see people bashing JYJ fans and being all emotional because we don’t support HoMin but, when HoMin fans bash JYJ it doesn’t create such a fuss. If you go on JYJ fansites ofc you will read some comments against HoMin but it’s the same if you go to HoMin fansites, they are full of comments against JYJ. The difference is that I don’t see any OT5 fans preaching to love and support all 5 and stop blaming JYJ there.
What pisses me off is that whatever JYJ or their fans do/say, we are almost always bashed and judged negatively.
Just a few minutes ago I was reading the comments on AllKpop about JYJ fans’ subway advertisement campaign and, a lot of people were like : “if JYJ’s fans have so much money they better give it to charity” or “such a waste of time and money”, “people are dying of hunger and they waste money for advertising idols” etc.
I mean, we all know JYJ and their fans also give to charities but it seems that it’s never enough.
Yoochun buy a car for his bro ? – He is a liar because he said he has no money and was a slave and like Heechul said “slaves don’t have cars” blablablabla
JYJ donate to charity ? – They are hypocrites who only want to look good in the public’s eyes.
JYJ’s fans create a radio station and raise funds to support them ? – They better use their money for things which are worthy.
No matter what we do antis always find a reason to bash. So when OT5 come here and accuse us of “not being true fans” and “being shameful” it’s kind of expected that some of us snap.
@kokoromiya7
“I mean, we all know JYJ and their fans also give to charities but it seems that it’s never enough.”
To the second part of your quote…it seems that it’s never enough. It won’t be. I know it may be disheartening to see those kinds of comments, but to you I say…consider the source.
They will NEVER intend to say anything positive about JYJ. This is in effect a war. The various websites are war zones. If you can, make yourself accept that that is what you are going to hear from them. Then you will be shielded somewhat.
I say let them talk. Actions speak louder than words. The people who view all the wonderful signs and displays all over the place are not being exposed to negative behavior. They are seeing and hearing from fans what JYJ is really all about. Those commenters are preaching to their own choirs. How wasteful is that.
WE know what the real deal is. The more JYJ is shown in the public in a positive manner, the more people will be able to discern the truth. Those commenters are frustrated because all their hardwork is in vain…it ain’t working!
They can only make you feel bad, if you let them. Whenever I go and check out those sites and read some of their comments, I come away shaking my head. Ignorance is a hard pill to swallow.
They are losing and they know it! They essentially are throwing themselves a pity party. I actually find that rather amusing. 🙂
mình là mình ức lắm rồi đáy !Có phải việc bạn đâu mà bạn tức ? Sao cái gì cũng đổ đầu yunho thế !Oppa đã làm gì sai !Ko làm trưởng nhóm thì thôi càng đỡ áp lực ! Còn vụ leader chính mồn jaejoong bảo nhóm lấy tên 3 thành viên và ko có trương nhóm cơ mà !Hay là jaejoong nói dối Z!