Comprehensive Account of JYJ vs. SM March 15, 2011 Court Hearing
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Compilation and explanations by: Inklette@DNBN
Sources: 1, 2, 3, @withJYJ and @inhye87 of withJYJ, DC TVXQ Gallery, esc님
Shared by: TheJYJFiles
Shared by: JYJ3
JYJ3 
Did not read yet. It’s too long, I must refresh my brain ~@@~
LMAO The hotels just happened to forget to mention those parts in blue? How convenient!
i never knew that in this world has a some people who so evil….HOTEL GIRL and SM you guys really…..really low person that i ever know in this world !!!
huuh…. i hope there will be so many truth gonna be revealed in next court hearing again
kekeke… I read the hotel version -_- just wanted to know what they were saying, really I can’t believe there’s still people who believes them… Thank you girls!!! but the girl from truetvxq knew this (is she a hotel?) really… shame on her…
Precious is a HE… LOL
I know… ^^
Behind all the glittering smiles, their life is…>sigh<. Why cant those blind people see JYJ have done the best thing by getting out?
This is wrong you know… What agencies in Korea do to their artists… With the amount those idols work… they should have been billionaires by now…
Business is business…but, when it contravening human’s right to get what they deserve… It’s a crime…
But, then again… I see that most idols in Korea have no problem with being ones puppet… So yeah….
I wish JYJ won… ^^
Yeah. I’ve always felt that it’s so wrong when singers in the western countries can earn so much, while idols in korea are just….nobody. Like with the amount of fame and talents that JYJ have, if they were in the Us, they would have easily earned millions, billions. It seems like Koreans and k-pop fans really underestimate their idols. They think their idols are only worth that much. It always amazes me everytime someone on akp says “They just deserve that much because they’re singers”. some people just seem to devalue the hardwork of the singers in Korea.
That’s why it’s been known that Korean actors/artists commit suicide when their star’s shine is waning… Most likely because they are almost scraping the bottom of the barrel and when they’re no longer famous, they wouldn’t even have any means to continue living even a simple/decent life as a non-public figure…
I don’t know what to say. I feel so sorry for JYJ for all the years they spent in their career without due compensation. In my country, even local artists have condo units, townhouses, luxury cars, properties in the USA or any developed country, can send members of their family to abroad for education/vacation, have chains of investments in business or properties … I can’t really relate why on earth these 3 men considered as one of the biggest stars in Asia have this kind of issues, even investing in a single business, owning a car or a house
are being questioned. They are supposed to be multi millionaires by now, being a top pop group in Japan alone is already a very big deal, how much more of their status as TVXQ which branches to many countries…(sigh..)
This is really just…so ridiculous.
SM is easily one of the dirtiest companies in Korea.
The more I read up on this situation, the happier I am that JYJ got the hell outta there!
yup… really feel so sorry for JYJ… they are so talented and should be rewarded accordingly yet they are being treated so unfairly… i always think that famous celebrities earned alot and by right they should be… even my country’s local artistes can own condo/bungalows, drives luxury cars and have multiple businesses… but what happened to my beloved JYJ… that’s why they are finding the way out… good for them and i will be behind them all the way!!! With JYJ’s talent and fame, they will do us fans proud by shining in all the different areas that they set their eyes on… Fighting!!!
After reading the part in the first blocked off section, I couldn’t stop myself from laughing! My jaws hurt so much. I didn’t think it was possible to raise snark to such a high level. The writer is to be commended for their word crafting skills!
Then I went to the sections below.
I’ve used the terms bloodsuckers, and vipers to describe SME. I’m glad to know I wasn’t just whistling dixie. The calculated way in which they are ripping their artists off is a moral delimma of gigantic proportions. These people have no consciences. Their actions are ammoral and their characters are immoral.
Anyone who associates with these people on a professional level, and also do their bidding, are no better. There is absolutely no excuse for this kind of abuse. It’s no wonder LSM is worth $100M USD, you deserve a special place in hell if there really is one.
But SME, the day is going to come when you have to pay for your actions. You will have no one to blame but yourselves. Those who claim you are a family, are either brainwashed or delusional.
Again, I say, EVERY DOG HAS HIS DAY. SME, yours is coming, just you wait and see.
“There is absolutely no excuse for this kind of abuse. It’s no wonder LSM is worth $100M USD, you deserve a special place in hell if there really is one.”
I’m sure LSM has a huge suite all to himself there down under, and NO I’m not referring to Australia. LOL
😉
@sam-sam
I hope not. I don’t want LSM down here with me thank you very much!
I mean in Australia, not hell.
Or do I??!!!! Bwahahahahah!!!!
Sorry, crazy girl mood tonight. I’m blaming it on Jae & his “lower body bath”. My heart’s still beating fast. Kim Jaejoong – perfect in every way, & great for your cardio workouts too!
😀
@sapphire
i totally get the heart beating fast part… heheh… jaejoong can really do that, ne? >/////<
so, can we just tie him up together on his bed? i really wanna help! ^^
I love JYJ 4ever. I don’t care about anything SM said
ive posted this on my fb… and im reading now…
and though i was expecting absolute stupidity from SME’s side as was already reported on fanaccts, i was still baffled at the extent of nonsense the article revealed abt the previous hearing.
the thing that struck me most is the fact that JYJ was making “advances” or borrowing their own money just to pay their own expenses that SME is supposed to have been paying! God! That is just low down BS!
And these things happened during their best years in the business! It’s unbelievable. It’s sad.
But more than sulking in a corner, I am more determined to fight for JYJ’s cause because now, they are finally living their life!
And soon, oh soon, freedom will come!
whats wrong w/ these girls? are they mentally ill??— god they make me sick. the truth is in front of them, yet they manipulate everything just for the sake of saving the face of their beloved idol.– what is this, a cult?
rubbishh..
for the Hotel girls I hope they learn from this sayings.
“I had been gullible, naive, soft, pliable. That’s why I got taken advantage of. To survive, you have to have a tough skin.”
Tia Carrere
*nods*
SM is just…fail. They dig themselves into holes time and time again. But surprisingly, SM wasn’t my main point of contention this time around…
Oooh, I’m gonna be hated for this but I have to say it. I don’t understand why DNBN is using the HoTel’s translations. I find that kinda unnecessary. Rather than using the enemy’s materials, DNBN should do a full independent account (as in write out a full fanaccount about the court proceedings) and place it side by side to the HoTel’s version and let the fans themselves do the judgment. I feel that the opinionated interjections were distracting and lessens DNBN’s credibility because of their bias. The court tries to maintain unbiasness…I think DNBN should do the same.
And using “The Nameless Song part 1” as a justification isn’t very solid since all musicians are allowed artistic license. So…I feel it’s not appropriate to use that as fact when music is subjective…? I’m not saying Yoochun is lying but it’s a song and it’s not strong enough proof.
DNBN is likely using the Hotel’s translation on purpose because if they translated it on their own, the obvious comeback would be that it translated in a biased way. Using Hotel’s translation actually makes DNBN’s argument very much STRONGER because they are using the other side’s translation YET they are able to point out how wrong they were. Also, the point of the piece is to show just how purposely misleading the Hotel’s account was. The “interjections” you refer to are likely the things that are in other fan accounts that the Hotels did not include on purpose. ^^ That’s all said in the “introduction” of this piece.
Also, the writer says that “after reading many news articles” in addition to the Nameless Song. Also, I think I disagree- The Nameless Song is very strong proof because Yoochun has said multiple times that he wrote down what had happened to him.
I agree with you that SM is digging itself a very large hole, however ^^
That’s a silly, illegal comeback (but you’re right, they will probably use it lol!!!). HoTels are just as biased as DNBN lmao…
But anyway, it’s by using those comeback points, I feel is introducing bias and belittling JYJ fans’ intelligence. The right hand column derisively remarks on ‘conveniently skipping’ etc., that I feel is introducing an opinion or a way of thinking. In this way, DNBN is imposing more bias on to the readers than necessary. If DNBN can just write the full account and put it beside HoTel’s incomplete account, people can read and derive their own opinions. If they wanted to include their opinions, it should be separated.
I mean, isn’t it best to state all objective facts first before going into your opinion, otherwise, you aren’t arguing effectively? This leads to ineffective differentiation between fact from bias.
A lyrics in a song is subjective material. If Yoochun stated this on formal camera, it carries much more weight as ‘truth’ than having it in a song format that can fall back on an excuse of ‘artistic expression’. Proof needs to be facts with evidence. This is Yoochun’s lyrics (not statement) against an accusation. But yep, I feel like we won’t come to an agreement on this, so let’s just leave it as it is. ^^;
Lol! Yes, SM should just jump into the abyss to save themselves the trouble of digging. Good riddance to bad companies.
@ fleur. While i agree on making a separate account and putting it side by side for comparison, perhaps they found most of the material was already similar-since the facts are there, just not all of them. Yes, maybe the additional comments should have been put across more factually, rather than deriding the HoTel’s fan-reports: i also detected the intruding biasness/opinion.
A song is subjective, and typically geared to what the writer wants to convey. However, Yoochun not only composes, he writes an essay beside it-and no, there was no subtlety in to whom it referred to. His lyrics have come to be facts, as read above. I am not sure, but haven’t people been accused of slander for lesser things than this? Yoochun went to Japan under no one other than SME, and he details the life henceforth. You are right though, he could fall back on ‘artistic expression’, then again, Junsu sorta mentioned something along the same lines.
THISSS
@Woo7
Mmm…I guess a reason I’m reacting unfavourably to using ‘material (that) was already similar’ is DNBN and JYJ fans are trying to discredit the HoTels for their lies. With a reason of ‘because it’s overlapping material therefore it makes it okay to use HoTel’s information’, it just seem very hypocritical to me in a sense that we are saying HoTel’s are liars yet in a turn of a coin, the information that they wrote is suddenly valid? This honestly makes me question what else they’ve written that is valid.
To me, DNBN is sending me mixed signals, directly telling us that some of what HoTels write, are truth but at the same time, HoTels are liars…So I guess this is another reason why DNBN should separate their information. DNBN is DNBN. HoTels are HoTels and not mesh DNBN’s information with HoTel’s information.
@ fleur
I think the main point is not that the HoTel girls make up fact — because I think they haven’t lately — but how they spin the truth into a lie. They can ask, “Where did we lie? Point out what isn’t true,” and no one can. They lie by omission, by leaving out important aspects, even though everything they do say is true. By using their own posts, it’s easy to point out exactly where and how they lied.
I agree that it could have been done in a more objective manner. There is a lot of snark in this one. But this is fandom, not a court of law. And, honestly, in this case I found it amusing.^^
Although, it’s necessary to point out what HeTels omitted or manipulated, I agree that a DNBN’s or DC Gallery’s own transcription should be availbale. There should be a full account availble to interested fans for every hearing not just by bits and pieces, ‘cos when we sit back then we have to do this again and again. Facts should be availble so no one can manipulate without getting caught long after.When ppl are already read the manipulated version, it’s hard to follow up thinking they already know about it.
The full account can also help fans to put together the big picture of how the lawsuit are progressing.
I’m interested in the lawsuits just as much as JYJ’s activities..^^
Yup. I wouldn’t mind having a full transcript to peruse – one that is without comments. Lol, I feel like we’re such cynics but unfortunately, after so much information manipulation happening within this fandom…I just feel like I need to protect myself and my voice.
I wanna know if SM’s artists learn about this. If they do, what do they think of this relating to their lives?
The way SM do business has been very untransparent. I hope JYJ’s lawyers call SM’s accounting auditors as witnesses in the next hearing.
Til now, SM hasn’t disclosed the accounting data, how long are they gonna delay for what, putting together new and falsified data?
@coffee craze: You and I both…
Oh well, like idol like fan, they really don’t know how to stop.
Just thinking about those people makes me head hurt.
What a bunch of losers and liars. * signs*
ok. got it. thanks for clearing this up.
I need this, because it give me strength to support only JYJ.
I’m going to read it now, but before I start, may I ask why the pictures of JJ and Jiji are here? Are they sending a message to HoTels and other antis, like “Kiss my ass”?
haha…spot on!
inklette, the translator girl for dnbn into english is jae lover ^^
if you notice, all the lawsuit relate post trans from dnbn has jae pic on it, she said she love jae so she will let him has the credit of her trans
sm n avex…they are just a load of $h!t
they can continue digging their holes deeper,
and the other two can continue being bitter and butthurt
who cares!
In the meantime JYJ will just move on and fly higher.
JYJ Fighting!
JYJ Family Fighting!
…and with this, i got curious about these hotels and visited their truetvxq blog. i couldn’t stomach every comment they made. seriously?! and there was even a rumur that yoochun had ask sm for an advance to pay for the scooter and got bashed for being blinded by money just with a mere scooter?! hello?! even an ordinary person can buy a scooter, but yoochun had to ask for an advance just so he could pay for his scooter?! and u called that blinded by money?! if ever that was true, then they’re probably one of the poorest celebrities out there. even a not-so famous celebrity in my country has at least two houses and cars. but it’s a good thing they’re no longer with sm, and live a happier life despite these trials.
6 or 7 years (if my memory serves me correctly) after it was discovered that SM was robbing the KOREAN STATE AND PEOPLE through tax evasion and stock market manipulation, it is now uncovered that it has also been engaging in internal money laundering. Why am I not surprised?
On top of that, the company once againi failed to materialise all relevant accounting records, deciding to bring only a select few of the books to court. This heavily suggests that the company cherry-picked the displayed records (if it is not in the process as we speak of falsifying the remaining records or destroying evidence). If THIS is the bright and sunny side of the company’s money-making practices (which still amounts to a crime and obvious corruption), how utterly disgusting must the full picture be? And what exactly is it trying to hide so desperately? One is left wondering if humanity and the moral assumptions of decent democratic societies will be able to handle it…until SM produces the records IT WAS ORDERED SEVERAL TIMES BY THE MOUTHPIECE OF THE KOREAN STATE TO DISCLOSE, the most horrifying and outlandish speculations on what they contain are ENTIRELY PLAUSIBLE (my own would have entire departments of the International Criminal Police in a jiffy).
Makes me question why did the court not issue a summon and take the documents by force?
It’s been delayed for far too long and SM was given chances after chances to produce them but did not do so.
Hi Jimmie, can’t the Korean court just get a warrant & seize the relevant records? SM’s stalling is giving them more than enough time to falsify & manufacture “proof”. I’m worried that the farcical court appearance had one purpose & one only – to give SM more time to cook the books.
Criminal proceedings in Korea are different from civil proceedings, and this is a civil case.
With that said, if the Korean public attorney is taking his job seriously, he would be filing a warrant to seize any and all relevant materials on SM premises right about….NOW!
If that happens that would be a big break. A girl can dream -___-
but since it has not happened yet.. does that mean there is still some dark stuffs going on out there?? then it’s like there is this possibility that the case turns around.. and in the current system in Korea, who should file a criminal case to SM? Because seriously they really have to pay for all the scams they are doing …
TBH, I will not even dare to imagine what else kind of magical accounting SME is doing just to make sure the money their slaves are creating for them will judt go down through one tunnel that leads to their pockets.
I have mixed feelings about the people that allow themselves to be continuously manipulated by SME, them that stay under their Father’s umbrella.
LOL
Those hotels girls are crafty editors. I think if JYJ would say that the sky is blue they would argue that it is red.
been reading this for several times still cannot really digest it…the only thing i can grasp SM entertainment is a very evil businessmen…poor JYJ
my question is: (no bashing here)
what the fuck is Yunho and Changmin thinking right now?
everytime they do an interview its always on JYJ
nothing less.
WTF MAN. talk about the LAWSUIT.
exclude your 3 Use-To-Be-Friends-That-Was-10-Years
(jaejoong met yunho on 2001)
talk about if you REALLY are FUCKING happy with the amount of money sment is giving you. talk about if you REALLY are FUCKING happy with the way they treat you. YOUR SCHEDULES. Or Maybe You’re Scared to say out loud that Sment has always been treating you kindly? and not the other three? or their blackmailing you or something? or even THREATENING YOU? WTF MAN just SPIT IT OUT. and dont even dare say anything about JYJ no more cus all of that is just geting me pissed.
I love the five of them and I’m not taking sides. I’m getting annoyed by SMENT Artists acting all victims putting shit on JYJ(a while ago). If you’re a OT5 fan you should know if your Fking Heart that this isn’t right anymore. We Always Keep The Faith on these Five Amazing Men But If We want to Always Keep That Faith we Need to the Truth behind SMENT. We’re almost there. After this finish with sment’s fucking ass I can’t think of any other answer than the Five Reuniting, maybe not as a group but able to contact again. Yunho and Changmin needs a twitter so maybe I can knock some sense into them ._.
O.o
you have F* made your point, I’m F*ing sure about THAT using the “F” word no less than seven times. (which i F*ing counted) . LOL =P
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LOL! By the way, I read your post to @Hello on the JYJfiles yesterday, (re: Yunho & Changmin change their stance), & just wanted to say that you were ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT!! You dissected & decimated that idiot’s arguements with breath-taking skill & mastery. I bow humbly at your feet Goddess Juno!
PS: if I ever need a lawyer, I’m calling you! 😀
Sorry, that should have been Goddess JUNO.
Unni (i think you’d be an unni) << I'm embarrassed to admit that i'm 17 years old.
-__-
call me newb/grasshopper/greenhorn i'd fit the bill.
Hopefully when i start law school NEXT YEAR and when i get my degree in 3 years time you can call me. Until which time i can only say the smarter, older and brighter minds here and at the jyjfiles like yourself have inspired me. So please dont talk about any bowing humble or otherwise. To say you flatter me too much would be the understatement of the century. -___-
However, because you have told me that i shall be careful with my words and try to live up to my umm "goddess juno" rep -_______-
@JUNO
You’re 17?!! OMG. I take it back. I won’t bow at your feet. I’ll just lie there instead & let you use my back for a footrest!! :D:D
I would gladly let you use my back as a footrest ^__^
LOL xD
I don’t understand all of this so well. Especially I can’t understand why after so long the judge has not forced SM to provide the accounting data to the court for unbiased review to see if they were paid according to the contract. Why do they have to use witnesses who can change their story and make it look like it is all ok?
The judge should make them provide it and find them in contempt of court if they don’t. That seems the minimum to get a fair trial.
And Yoochun’s house is a rental? Made me so sad. I hope they are making reasonable money now. Must be very high legal expenses.
that is so ridiculous,right!i sill feel cant believe happen with one of the fav group in Asia or wold but income soo poor compare with other and how they got treat from SM!!!
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