[Trans] Not losing sight of each other’s feelings, we’ll be able to overcome everything… Cause you are my everything to me. (lyrics to DBSK’s Don’t Say Goodbye) A song that I liked very much.. By chance I heard it again after such a long time.. But somehow this song has come to feel so foreign to me… And that hurts my heart..
Source: @0101xiahtic
Translated by: @AllRiseXiahtic
Shared by: JYJ3
Aigoo susu……my heart is breaking all over again……..TTTTTTTTTTTTTT
I’m sorry Junsu. You remembered the past, but the memories are painful, right????
what happened? His remarks sounds so sad…
I don’t think anything happened. He just happened to listened to an old DBSK and since it’s been awhile since he sang DBSK songs, im guessing he forgot the tune of the song. He is reminiscing…
So saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad TT_TT junsu be strong
SM I hate you so much :((((
Aigooooo poor baby *hugs you* It’s okay baby, DBSK is your past now. Learn from it and treasure those memories but now JYJ is your future. All your life you’ve always wanted to be JYJ and it’s now time to walk that path. Those who follow you on this path will not regret it. Promise baby su ❤
i love your comment…so sweet ;w;
“but now JYJ is your future” THIS. I know its hard for them, DBSK was their life…but now JYJ is their present and future…we fans will be there for them, no matter what. I love DBSK but JYJ is a new era on my life, DBSK are a beautiful memory in my heart, but they doesnt exist anymore…so move on and watch our future as JYJ FANS.
@junchan
“I love DBSK but JYJ is a new era on my life, DBSK are a beautiful memory in my heart, but they doesnt exist anymore…so move on and watch our future as JYJ FANS.”
Exactly and precisely. 🙂
xxoo
I totally agree every single word here.
DBSK 5 will and always be one of the best memories and a part of me.
But for now JYJ is somehow I feel can relate more to them, like a family, brothers kind of that.
So, They will always have my support. Because I love someone with so much passion in music and that what I see in JYJ.
Cheers!
@JaeYooJun ~~ beautifully stated A+++++++++
I know when i accidently saw an MV of all 5, it tore me apart and when i saw the 2 on the vid i got physically ill!! i know, i’m bad!! but i’m better now, i make sure i don’t see those anymore for sure!! i know it was hard for me to see and it must be torture for him. (sometimes i wanna hug him sooo bad)
we just gotta stay focused, cuz in the end it’s totally JYJ!! ♥♥♥ ^_~
JYJ FIGHTING!!! JYJ FAMILY FIGHTING!!!
Uh oh…. what happened? Is this the song that Homin just re-recorded?
No, this is an old DBSK song released in their Mirotic album.
I hope they wouldn’t re-recorded this song.
Yes, I what I really don’t want it to happen because with something (in this case a song) it’s just meant for the original.
I kinda understand Junsu’s feeling though. Once he used to be one of DBSK’s member and even singing that song by himself but for now as JYJ, he must feel some distance between his past and present. So…..Fighting Junsu.
;~~~;
Aigoo, our boys! How can this noona help your sad heart? Should I buy you a soccer field? I am sorry I can’t do much about it, and that you boys will have to carry your burdens, but we will love you continuously and support you always. Sweet babies!
It´s ok Junsu … It´s just natural ~
The past will alway be there but we must go on ^^
You are doing great! I´m soo proud of you ❤
Agree!
Double agree; so well put! Keep moving forward, Junsu; we’re with you all the way!
Eek.
Awwwwwww.
:(((((((((((( Junsu… Everything will be ok~ Don’t be hurting. We all love you so when you hurt we hurt too.
Being an OT5 fan this hits the core of my being. I love all 5 of them sooooooo much. I wish that they would become friends again or maybe at least do one final song together. That would make my day~ I just don’t want them to go back to SM cuz SM fucked up EVERYTHING.
@Le’Chelle
“I wish that they would become friends again or maybe at least do one final song together. That would make my day~ I just don’t want them to go back to SM cuz SM fucked up EVERYTHING.”
Unfortunately, it’s true that another thing SM f*cked up is the possibility of the five ever singing together again any time soon. And because of all the unfortunate comments that YH&CM were encouraged to make (and here I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt) it looks like the friendship part is out too.
True. But hey a girl can hope right? 😀
Plus who knows what going on behind closed doors. Us fans don’t know everything unfortunately 😦
@Le’chelle
“True. But hey a girl can hope right?”
lol Oh, yes, of course. Hope to your heart’s content. It never hurts, although it can be a bit of a time waster….
“Plus who knows what going on behind closed doors. Us fans don’t know everything unfortunately”
Oops! You hit another “Lilibaiyu Buzz-Phrase!” 🙂 I have a few of these now, I’ve heard each of them a time or two too many (please, please, don’t mention the 6-25 meeting!) and I’m letting everyone know that I for one am not going to buy them any more. “We don’t know everything” is one of these, actually it’s kind of a Biggie.
When you think about it for a minute, we humans “don’t know everything” about most things in life, but most of us seem to have learned enough to get by, get things done and make decisions for ourselves. Regarding JYJ, we don’t NEED to “know everything.” We know plenty; we know enough now. The members of JYJ have told us themselves, they have in fact kept us well informed on how they are, how they feel and what’s happening with them through interviews, informal talks, statements and through the medium of their lyrics. No of course we don’t “know everything” but why should we need to? That certainly doesn’t stop me from coming to informed conclusions, nor should it stop anyone else from doing the research and doing the same.
JYJ have told us every way they know how that they are happy, fulfilled and excited about their future as JYJ–that’s their focus now. I plan to take them at their word.
You don’t know that, in time they may become friends again.
@Daisy
If you mean me, yes, maybe that will happen. Friends? Who knows. Maybe they will. As long as Homin is with SM and is still being somehow directed by them in their comments and actions…. not likely. That current contract Homin signed runs for seven more years. When it’s over, let’s talk again then.
It was up to the two of them. Now they are lost. There are those who take control and the others controlled.
@llang
That was rude~ But whatever. An opinion is an opinion. Won’t judge ya
I love all of them too! T_T I re-watch that Mirotic in Seoul performance where Cassies sang the song to the boys, coutless of times! It hurts everytime the boys reminisce because they must feel a ton more than we do ):
At this point, after eveything that has went down, I just hope that they are still friends.
Thanks for bringing up that particular performance…..I went to watch it.
Even thought I am crying….gosh I love the boys that they were, and the men that they are becoming……together and apart. And there’s no question in my heart that the boys and cassiopeia have such an intense and amazing historical connection….that video brought so much back for me.
That being said, I am even more proud to see them each going their own way today, risking and becoming who they are everyday……and how more and more people love them.
“You are my love……you are so soul……don’t say goodbye…..don’t leave me now….”
I am so glad that they didn’t.
“Cause you are my everything to me…….”
TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT (Sobbing now……yet……tears are definitely flowing from a heart that’s been fed and full of love……)
Giving you a HUGE virtual hug now!!!! Dont be sad, baby!
Awww, now I feel like crying. TT___TT I loved this song and some of their other “lesser known” songs.
It’s sad… I don’t think Junsu simply talks about the song itself as just a song that has music and lyrics, he always lives the songs and the songs are his thoughts and memories.. and when he quotes things I am almost sure he is relating it to his own life.. because he is someone like that… The song is talking about overcoming problems with the support of love they have for each other… DBSK had problems, believed they would be overcome if they kept fighting together, be together, continue to love each other… they used to use that kinda words… but ironically when they faced a problem the love, the bond didn’t mean much and they fell apart… There wasn’t such a thing as overcoming together so.. I think when Junsu says ‘this song feels foreign to me’, he means the thing he used to believe was not true or he doesn’t have such feelings anymore… Once upon a time they didn’t wanna say goodbye as DBSK; but they did… now it is past and those feelings and promises are foreign… but the memory of it still hurts…
I agree with your interpretation !
“now it is past and those feelings and promises are foreign… but the memory of it still hurts…”, even the fans must have felt it.
I agree. I think Junsu has put his past to rest, but still it hurts when he thinks about it. I believe JYJ are happy with who they are now, but are sad that the fans are still hurting over the split with Homin.
@ro1499
I agree with both you and @Rosefairy, Junsu has put the past to rest. All three know they must go on. Their lives now are JYJ and no amount of wishful thinking is going to change that. One can revisit the past, which is not the same as relive it, and there is nothing wrong with that. Kind of like nostalgia. For Junsu as for all of them, the memories are going to be many.
There has to be certain amount of ‘fail’ about the fact thay what he thought was going to be a group exodus, did not occur. That in itself must have felf like betrayral of some sorts. But then you get over it because there is so much more positive happening in your life. Su is now in the position to be the master of his own fate, come what may. That for any person, especially ones as young as these young brothers, is a heady feeling. And they are entitled to these feelings, because afterall, these were their lives.
I too think they care so much about the feelings of their fans. But I would like to remind the guys and their fans. These are their lives to live, not ours. The only thing we should be concerned with is supporting them. The choices they make, must be for the reasons they want, and no one else. As much as we would like to tell them, ultimately, they are the ones who have to be responsible for their lives, not us. As long as they are happy, I’m happy.
I also think JYJ are happy with where they are now, and with the choices they made.. their longing or hurt for the past is not because they want to turn back… But there is hurt because of the people they left; Homin being the most important ones… I think their major regret is not being able to settle things friendly, without causing controversies, fights and break ups… That’s why whenever they look at their past they feel kinda broke.. But they couldn’t help it and I don’t think they are the only responsible people of this.. Still sometimes everyone would think ‘Couldn’t I have been better?’ or ‘Couldn’t I make less mistakes?’… When such moments came they tweet these sad words and we get confused… but I don’t think it is confusing anymore… it is settled down now and started to get buried in past.. Unfortunately not all the stories ends with a happy ending… Maybe TVXQ’s story was like this… or maybe it is not the ending yet but only looks like one… but it surely looks like one…
@Rosefairy
One important thing I’ve learned in life is to never say never. Whatever the Fates hold for JYJ and Homin will be sometime in the future. Right now, there is a wound with a healing scar forming over it. Hopefully, the scar will not be too thick or tender. Once the healing is complete, maybe they will be able to come together and address their feelings for one another.
It will definitely be a shame if they are never able to comes to term with what has happened. Reconnecting with one’s past can be very cathartic. One day in the future they may have this chance.
@ButterfliesAreFree
I really wish them to be happy with no regrets, even if they can’t build a new life with the old loved ones, I want them at least to be given a chance to fix their mistakes or regrets – if there are any, one day… Time might really be the cure in such situations.. I hope the wounds can really heal not only be forgotten in time… I just talk about the present and don’t wanna dream of a future full of rainbows, where everything is just happy… Still, I do it, and hope for it… I don’t know… life can show us anything right?
@Rosefairy
“I just talk about the present and don’t wanna dream of a future full of rainbows, where everything is just happy… Still, I do it, and hope for it… I don’t know… life can show us anything right?”
There is nothing wrong in dreaming about rainbows. Have you ever seen one? I think they are one of the most spectacular things to see. Having a good feeling about life is way more useful than being programmed all the time. Dreams are like hope. I would much rather be hopeful, than fearful. As long as you keep your feet on the ground, your back straight, and your head up, you can see where you’re going. It’s only the knuckledraggers who have problems. 😉
hmm…..I agree….but you know what, I also think Junsu has a different reason as well.
He could have kept these thoughts to himself, but I feel that by sharing these thoughts he is saying to his fans that he has not forgotten his DBSK days and they are still precious memories despite everything. I think some of his fans need to know that he still remembers since a lot of fans are still hurting over their split, even though I believe that JYJ are at the stage where they are moving on and moving forward.
He openned himself to yet more bashing, aished. Some crazy fans on allkpop are claiming he did this out of spite. That he always does this everytime HoMin releases a new album. Junsu sucks at timing. I’ll say its OK to reminisce about the paste, just don’t post it on Twitter where idiotic and ignorant fans can use it against you, even though you mean well. Junsuuu~ Well Fighting!!!
@LoveUnchanged
“He openned himself to yet more bashing, aished. Some crazy fans on allkpop are claiming he did this out of spite. ”
You know what? This is another bit of “old news” that I am just not going to buy any more. WHO exactly says Junsu can’t express his feelings when he wants to?? “A bunch of crazy fans on AllK-Pop??” Frankly, I stopped caring at the word “crazy” because when you get to be an adult, one of the things you’re blessed with is the wisdom not to listen to crazy people for your tips on how to conduct yourself.
To be honest, it struck me as ridiculous the last time around, and here we are months and months later and Junsu is once again upset about the ACTIONS of his former group-mates (not merely their feelings, their ACTIONS) and he tweets his feelings.
And all hell breaks loose.
My perspective is as follows: This holding the members of JYJ up to an impossible standard of “All-Perfect, Never Faltering, At All Times” conduct is suspiciously absurd. Suspiciously, I say because it originates with people who obviously have ill-will for the members. I don’t buy it and it’s wrong. It’s inhuman and I at least will no longer be moved by these crazy people. And I hope they are promptly added to the list of “haters” that C-jeS will be considering for prosecution. At the very least they should be reported to Twitter and their accounts should be closed.
My VE Sister,
“Frankly, I stopped caring at the word “crazy” because when you get to be an adult, one of the things you’re blessed with is the wisdom not to listen to crazy people for your tips on how to conduct yourself.”
I am at this very moment conducting a deep 90 degree bow to you. 😉
I’m beginning to think this must be a generational and cultural thing here. By virtue of the fact that Junsu is a FREE man and has the right to open his mouth and say what he wants, when he wants, and where he wants, is NO ONE ELSE’S BUSINESS BUT JUNSU’s! Again, I don’t give a rodent’s patootie what others say. Just listen to yourselves. Put yourself in his shoes, would you like anyone telling YOU when you can open your mouth and say what you want? The meaning of free speech is free speech, doesn’ mean any thing else.
Hell, I don’t care much for the KKK, but under our system of govt. they have a right to free speech. I would defend that right for them and anyone else. People need to get over themselves. GROW UP ALREADY!
Timing does not have a damn thing to do with this. These folks read way too much into all kinds of ‘crazy’ BS and think folks are suppose to take them as experts. BAH! The toxic nonsense that comes out of their mouths is indeed indicative of how immature they are.
it’s really a bad timing because out of all times, he post it just when i’m crazily rewatching old dbsk videos…. :’) kke. anyway, akp hasn’t write anything about it, and i hope not… seeing how things can be messily interpreted and all :p
It’s below the posts (in a circle). If you scroll down, you’ll find two spots for Junsu’s tweets and three other spots for other issues. They’re the hot topics/forims.
oh so it’s in the forum. i wonder why they haven’t write any editorial for it yet. not saying that i hope so. -.-“
“That he always does this everytime HoMin releases a new album. Junsu sucks at timing.” o__o excuse me? what timing? hes free to say whatever he wants WHENEVER he wants.
“just don’t post it on Twitter where idiotic and ignorant fans can use it against you, even though you mean well. ” I cant even….its his twitter account…he can post whatever he wants…i mean srsly, they leave SM bcause the dont wanted to be controled…but seems that fans want to control their actions, even their words…what a shame.
I Second your opinion
Yoochun, you better bang Junsu’s head to stop being emotional ! Get up, Junchan, play soccer or table tennis or dance your Intoxication…. but actually, I also miss this song and their other ballads, I want to listen to them, but somehow I want to skip some part, so I better listen to JYJ’s songs which are purely awesome from the first to the last note.
oh my god. junsu oppa
junsu…..i’m crying right now…. (T o T)
It’s an incredibly beautiful song, and one that I haven’t listened to in a long time because of the same feelings it provokes in me as well……as susu just mentioned…..
It hurts me when they hurt, yet I know pain is also an amazing teacher. It’s wonderful that Susu does look back, even though it hurts.
Friendships do suffer or end sometimes, but to do there’s something about real love that lasts, even if the form changes as life goes on. I believe these five young men will continue to surprise and amaze me, or even themselves one day, whatever that may look like.
Honestly I burst into tears when I saw Susu’s tweets, yet I thank him. Sometimes it’s worth hurting to keep loving and remembering, because it was that special. I believe sometimes it makes life even more worth living, because now we know what it feels like to be wounded by our own understanding and experiences of love……thus rendering our hearts ever so tender, even as it bleeds.
The lyrics of the song came from a very vulnerable place inside the human heart…..a sense of longing…..without pretense…..and without judgement.
Just love.
Thank you, Susu. And even though I am sad, I am very, very, very oh so very, proud of you.
lovely post thank you for your words. my heart feels your words.
@koreamom
I agree. I really liked Emma Lin’s post too. A very highly evolved thought process. I liked it.
🙂
Thank you.. beautiful words
I LOVE THIS PART :
“Sometimes it’s worth hurting to keep loving and remembering, because it was that special. I believe sometimes it makes life even more worth living, because now we know what it feels like to be wounded by our own understanding and experiences of love……thus rendering our hearts ever so tender, even as it bleeds.”
It helps if the love is reciprocated. Except, this looks sadly like a one sided love. All on the side of Junsu. HoMin has never once, following the lawsuit, indicated their love for JYJ, just the opposite (however I may not know how they truely feel within their hearts). Some love are not meant to last, if you keep holding on to it by force when the other side has let go, you might plummet and shatter (OK, forget the last line, I was merely being poetic or some such, lol).
Junsu, it’s OK to hurt, just don’t show too much of your vanurability/weakness to the outside world. Sometimes, I worry about Junsu the most (out of all 5).
Thank you!
Sometimes its too sad watching jyj being the warmer part,as if they are the ones at fault.
And no, I don’t believe the whole sm control homin. If suju members can still talk abt hangeng freely and even heechul said openly he misses him,ryeowook wishes him the best etc,why can’t hm?
Like I said, JJ is still tied to the past, junsu will have ocassional meltdown like these and yoochun is somewhere probably riding a boat don’t give a effin care. I ❤ u mr.park. Keep being the bad ass that you are.
@LoveUnchanged
“Some love are not meant to last, if you keep holding on to it by force when the other side has let go, you might plummet and shatter”
Nothing wrong with “plummet and shatter” — let’s get poetic once in a while, I say! lol You make an excellent point though, and it’s another one of those mysteries to me why more TVXQ5 fans don’t realize it too at some point: Love ends sometimes.
Even very passionate committed love. It grows stale, becomes outgrown, it fades away, a multitude of things can happen to sour it. Why don’t the members of TVXQ5 get to be part of the human race and, just like everybody else gets to do, have an early, very successful and loving association that finally comes to an end? Why is this some sort of unspeakable blasphemy? Are everyone else’s late teen-aged pursuits still alive and well and going strong? I don’t think so. Why do TVXQ’s have to be, I mean really truly JUST HAVE TO BE, even 2 years later, people can NOT get over this!? Call me dense, maybe, but I just don’t get it.
You are not dense, far from it. You realize that we all have a growth process, and JYJ has one too. TVXQ was part of that process, and they just matured, and moved on. No human being stays the same from youth to adult. Its sad these people don’t understand that JYJ outgrew their TVXQ days. They had to leave to grow, and boy did they. People also don’t get it, about what SME did to them. I don’t want to insult anyone, but jeez let it go. How all 5 of these young men feel is none of our business, and we will never know, which is fine with me. I hope this stuff ends soon, cuz it’s really so repetitious. Same shit, different day.
Love every words and sentences,I can’t describe it anymore;)
Wow thank you all for this lovely resonance….I can’t take all the credit actually, as I did borrow from one of my favorite poets Kahlil Gibran:
“Love has no other desire but to fulfill itself.
But if you love and must needs have desires, let these be your desires:
To melt and be like a running brook that sings its melody to the night.
To know the pain of too much tenderness.
To be wounded by your own understanding of love;
And to bleed willingly and joyfully.”
(You can find the complete poem here: http://www.katsandogz.com/onlove.html)
I believe in life we are all constantly learning about love….I truly feel wonderfully blessed to feel connected to these five young men and the love I feel for them. I feel so lucky to have the opportunity to continue to learn to receive them as unconditionally as I know how each moment, no matter what personal feelings or opinions (or judgements even) may be rolling through at the time. It hasn’t been an easy process, yet it’s enriched my life so. I would not trade it for the world.
“Cause you are my everything to me……..”
So go on, bright stars you shine……….and may I be as stedfast as what you continue to bring forth……with all that you already are…….
Very sweet. 🙂
@Emma Lin
Kahlil Gibran ♥
dont be sad oppa, remembering the past is ok but dont think about it too much, i love u n the other jyj member
Its really sad word i hurt when i read it don’t be sad be always happy because if u sad we will be sad too so i hope u will be fine and never be sad again and we will always be with you and helping you if u sad to make you happy again
so fighting junsu and every one hear support you
Ah Susu T.T don’t feel sad. I think what he mean is this song lyrics is talk about how to overcome problem by together and not keep apart, but DBSK unfortunately break up when they faced problem. I think that is what JS mean by feels foreign
I think he means that they’ve lost sight of each other’s feelings. They don’t know how the other feel, they can’t even trust those feelings if they see it. That is truely sad. That is when a shaky marriage heads off to the divorce court. Doubts!
Jun-cah baby! You still have yoochun and jaejoong hyung to overcome the mountains! Don’t be sad baby! I know its hurt to remember the past, but I’m sure you can do it, please be strong
It’s ok to think of the past cos without the past there’s no present but we have the future to look forward to ^^
I am a crazy of human right. twitter is suppose to be a site of someone tweet about his own thought.I just hope to let Junsu to just talk about his thought with peace.I really wish.
Junsu and JJ show the sad feeling of past.Chun hide really well.No one will forget if they had past like that.But that timing thing will come again or bashing to junsu occur i will be again angry with myself cos i am unable to protect.
Dont be sad bb,
Its good to look back and see how far they’ve come
The last two years were possibly the hardest years they’ve experience thus far.
But theyre all amazing talented and kind boys that will keep growing and make this JYJ family surpass expectations ^^
Btw is there anyway to get some of the songs back? Esp the ones JYJ composed? Or is that impossible 😦
@janey
“Btw is there anyway to get some of the songs back? Esp the ones JYJ composed? Or is that impossible”
Everything in the music business is subject to negotiation. The only variable in the SM-JYJ case (as well as the AVEX situation) is the bad faith and vindictiveness of one of the parties involved. Still, there is modest cause for hope because JYJ may very well be negotiating to take less cash and get back some of their self-composed copyrights instead of a big cash settlement. They could certainly afford to do that now, the last 2 years have shown them that. So let’s hope for the best here. In my mind, that would be getting back their copyrights.
@Lili, @Janey
OMG that would be freaking AWESOME! Reminds me of American Chopper settlement (yay yay shaddup I’ve watched that show from day 1, blame hubby and his crazy reality-tv addiction!), where Junior got his Black Widow bike back as part of the settlement between him and his (a$$wipe) father.
I really think this would be a marvelous idea. BUT on the other hand, from the things each of JYJ has said, I’m not so sure that they’d actually want to perform the songs. In a couple interviews I saw a while back, from 2010 I think, they’ve said that they don’t ~want~ to perform the songs, as they feel it’s disrespectful of the TVXQ5 time. Too bad SM/YC don’t have the same philosophy. ARGH! JYJ just take them to court again and tell them they can’t use TVXQ name! ~grumble~ ~grumble~
@BAF
My VE Sister, you said it all. No one can really know what Junsu is thinking, and it’s useless to speculate. At times like these, I’m glad I wasn’t a part of the DBSK fandom. I’m sure I would be hurting too, just like alot of their fans. I do understand how they feel, but enough is enough. JYJ has told the fans so many times, it’s JYJ, so it’s time people let it rest, and trust them. DBSK fans should love both JYJ & Homin, but most of all give them the respect, and space they need to be themselves.
Awww…Junsu…i hate when he feels sad. He’s such a sweet and bright person so it always hurts to see him down. But I guess the best way to cope with feelings is to express them. If twitter is his way to do this, then he can tweet all he wants. I’d rather him let us know what’s going on with him, than to keep it all bottled up. I just hate that there’s a bunch of people, with no lives, who have nothing better to do than wait for any little chance to attack him…but its fine. They may always be there to attack him, but I’ll always be there to support him!
exactly what i want to say
AMEN to that!!
that is so true .. in fact it can be clearly seen in this forum that different people have different interpretations of what junsu said .. so, if people are malicious and are just set on maligning our junsu, then no matter how innocent junsu’s twit is, they would think the worst of it.. let junsu say what he wants as long as it comes from his heart …
What is really ugly about this is that while I know (as do JYJ fans) that it is simple reminiscing, antis, homin stans, idiots at allkpop and the hardcore OT5 people will take these comments and twist them every way they can think of. It is times like this that I wish he would just say that to Yoochun or Jaejoong instead of posting it on twitter.
Antis will claim this is a ploy on Junsu/JYJ’s part to milk sympathy and sell their album. OT5’s will take this as “hope” that there will be a reunion. He has every right to express himself but I just wish he could foresee how these kinds of comments (no matter how innocent the intention) can release the crazies. Or maybe he just doesn’t give a damn anymore with the dumbass fan-wars. I really wouldn’t blame him.
Or maybe he just doesn’t give a damn anymore with the dumbass fan-wars. I really wouldn’t blame him.
I’d put my money on this theory. Junsu was never the kind to pay that much attention to the politics of the online fandom, that’s Jaejoong’s domain, I think he just expresses himself when he feels like it.
On the very slim chance that he’s making a dig at the new TVXQ album, then I’m not-so-secretly pleased, because I love it when the guys show their darker human sides — bitter, vindictive or pissed off.
@Mia2
“while I know (as do JYJ fans) that it is simple reminiscing, antis, homin stans, idiots at allkpop and the hardcore OT5 people will take these comments and twist them every way they can think of.”
Again…… I gotta tell you, Mia—- I stopped at the word “idiots” in your post because I have decided, for me, from now on, I am not going to get my panties in a wad about what a few crazy assh*les choose to post on… wherever. It’s enough now. I’m done. It’s stupid, misguided and wrong. These are fringe people, the last vestiges of a VERY large fanbase of normal people who can’t or won’t accept reality; they are not fans of Junsu or JYJ and they just don’t register anymore on my personal Richter scale.
I had to learn this after coming to JYJ3: sometimes you just have to ignore, ignore, ignore. It was hard for me at first, because my first instinct is always to answer back (what a badly behaved child I was, too!) but I’ve learned. And besides, I’m tired of it now. It’s stupid and pointless. These aren’t people you can reason with. As my sister BAFfie says, it’s a “maturity thing” and that appears not to be changing anytime soon…
True, very true.
@MIA2
“Antis will claim this is a ploy on Junsu/JYJ’s part to milk sympathy and sell their album. OT5′s will take this as “hope” that there will be a reunion.”
When people stop living in the real world and delusion is the only thing that keeps them going, one cannot alter his/her life to cater to these unbalanced people. You simply cannot, it is a waste of time and energy.
JYJ’s album is not based on anything to do with HoMin. If these folks don’t get it, they never will. JYJ’s album will sell on it’s own merit. It does not need melodrama to make sales. The songs on this album do not need HoMin or anyone else to draw attention to it. If SME was smart, which we all know it isn’t, they should try investing in some real songwriting talent to give HoMin something worthwhile to sing. Until that happens, the others will just have to live with it.
No way should JYJ stay behind closed walls and ask permission to come out and play. So, I’m going to hope as has been mentioned, the guys simply don’t a hoot and a holler any more what others say.
“No way should JYJ stay behind closed walls and ask permission to come out and play. ” THIS
Please stop saying things like “i hope Junsu didnt tweet this” “Junsu should know that he can not tweet this kind of things bcause of reaction of crazy fans”. Srsly, im hurt everytime i read this kind of comments. JYJ doenst need to gain sympathy/whatever….their talent speaks for theirselves…Junsu is only expresing his feelings, hes FREE to do that…if other people think that hes atacking Homin/gaining sympathy..its their problem, not Junsu’s.
@My Sister BAFfie
” It does not need melodrama to make sales.”
I like this. lol It’s so…true.
“What is really ugly about this is that while I know (as do JYJ fans) that it is simple reminiscing, antis, homin stans, idiots at allkpop and the hardcore OT5 people will take these comments and twist them every way they can think of.”
Ouch…. lol so negative. Not everyone is the same. Don’t put ppl into different categories. But its whatever. You have a right to your opinion ~
T_T this song makes me cry
Isn’t today the day that nirotic was released?
It was, but they had to postpone the release date of Mirotic due to too many pre-orders, so it’s actually two more days ^^
ButterfliesAreFree wrote
on September 24, 2011 at 8:42 pm said:
Hell, I don’t care much for the KKK, but under our system of govt. they have a right to free speech. I would defend that right for them and anyone else. People need to get over themselves. GROW UP ALREADY!
Timing does not have a damn thing to do with this. These folks read way too much into all kinds of ‘crazy’ BS and think folks are suppose to take them as experts. BAH! The toxic nonsense that comes out of their mouths is indeed indicative of how immature they are.
You would actually defend HATE speech, you would actually defend the KKK whom have murdered and attacked innocent people because the color of their skin. WOW, I’m assuming that you are not ethnic.
@Daisy
I am as ethnic as it gets. I am a Black woman, of mixed heritage, a direct descendent of enslaved Africans.
If you are an American citizen you know about the Bill of Rights. If you are not an American citizen, we have this thing called the U.S. Constitution. In this document, freedom of speech is a right. It belongs to every U.S. citizen. No, you can’t yell ‘fire’ in a crowded theater and there is no fire.
But you have the right to express your opinions. I don’t have to like them, but that right is there. If I diminish your rights of speech, then mine can be diminished. This is how it works. I defend that right for all Americans whether they are on my radar screen or not.
When one lives in a democracy, you accept that the rights and privileges apply to all. It hasn’t always been that way. Lots of changes occurred to make this happen. A not no small thing called our Civil War, was the beginning of those changes. I lost a ancestor in that war, fighting to free his family and others from bondage. So, I don’t take those rights lightly.
It’s not really about what the KKK are all about, but what our Constitution stands for. Any democracy worth it’s salt, will uphold the laws meant to serve the people, ALL THE PEOPLE, not just a few. Is the U.S. perfect? No. But at least she can be held accountable for her actions in a court of law.
Which pretty much does not seem to be the case in South Korea. But hope springs eternal.
If we say the KKK has the freedom of speech and expression and press, etc, and therefore should use all those without any hindrance, then should we also allow murderess/serial killers to go scot free since it’s also their “freedom of expression”? Until when are we going to allow “freedom this” and “freedom that” destroy our lives? Where do we draw the lines. Within the same American constitution, there’s the right to live and the right to liberty and the pursuet of happiness. The KKK takes away all these rights from the blacks. Shouldn’t the right to live overshadow the right to freedom of speech and expression? Where do we draw the line?
@LoveUnchanged
I’m going to make the assumption that you are not an American, because if you are, you should know some important facts…
1 – Freedom of speech means you can hold rallies and say all kinds of BS. As long as it does not incite a riot from that point on.
2 – Committing murder is not a ‘freedom of expression’, it is a crime. A crime, which in the States does not have a statute of limitations. Hence members of the KKK or anyone else who kills for HATE, or any other reason, can be prosecuted DECADES after the crime. Several high profile cases have been successfully conducted and those responsible have gone to prison and have died there, because they were old men by that time.
3 – ‘the right to life, the right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” This actually comes from our Declaration of Independence. This is statement simply declares that from henceforth, the British Crown no longer can deny people living in the colonies these rights under British law, because the colonies are no longer part of the British Crown.
4 – The KKK does not take away any rights, they may infringe on those rights by their actions, but only the U.S. government can do that by a passage of amemdments to our Constitution – which by the way have to be ratified by ALL 50 states. Can’t imagine that happening. Adding yes, taking away no.
5 – Which rights overshadow which rights? Our Constitution is quite clear with the Bill of Rights. Each one serves it’s own purpose. No one ‘trumps’ the other.
As I said, murder is a crime and can prosecuted at any time. So, people killing for hate or any other reason are not going to get a pass because of WHY they committed the crime. As long as the prosecution can make its case, they go to jail – FINI.
In a democracy, you have to take the bad with the good. If you don’t, that’s called a dictatorship, there is no good. I would much prefer a democracy where I have a chance to change the political outcome. What I’m viewing comng out of So. Korea is not what I’m used to. They obviously have some growing pains given this is practically brand new to them. Not to mention being a society that is infusing Confucionism in how it conducts itself. I’m getting the very strong vibe this combination is not working. It’s almost as if their form of democracy is a hybrid. But I guess time will tell.
So, you don’t have to agree with me about being tolerant. That’s your right. But whether I like someone or not, I will no more infringe on their right to their expression, because I sure a HELL don’t want someone infringing on mine. It’s all a matter of preference.
Mommy-hen a very deep bow to you for too many reasons to articulate.
@LoveUnchanged
You talked about where do we draw the lines. If you take away freedom of speech, what will you take away next? We argue in here a lot, mainly because of our freedom of speech & willingness to state our opinions – even within the confines of the rules of the blog. It’s annoying, tiresome, sometimes downright enraging. But it also makes us think, open our minds, learn & grow. I may not agree with what you say, I may take umbrage at how you phrase it, I may even get fed up & tell you to shut up – but at the end of the day, I’ll fight for your freedom of speech. “If I diminish your rights of speech, then mine can be diminished.”
When Junsu’s twittergate broke, I was new to JYJ & a silent lurker at SYC. Not only did many comment that Junsu had no right to express himself thus, a few people even said that JYJ shouldn’t write or sing songs like Nine & Pierrot… that all that “scandal” should be kept nicely hidden swept out of sight under the rug. So if you talk about taking away that freedom of speech, where exactly do you draw the line? Who gets to decide what & where that line is? Government? Big Business? Religion? The Media? The Public? & if you don’t agree with them, with your freedom of speech taken away, what recourse will you have?
There is a quote I read a long time ago, I don’t remember it well (& none of my searching has helped me find it), so please forgive me for mangling it. “When the Nazi’s took the itinerants & homeless away, I said nothing. When they took the gypsies away, I said nothing. When they took the Jews away, I said nothing. When they came for me, there was no-one left to speak for me.” Circa World War II.
Our voices & our freedom of speech are a precious thing. Whether we choose to use it responsibly & with respect & consideration for others is our choice. As is the choice to use our voices destructively, with hate & malicious intent. BUT the choice is ours… something to be grateful for the next time YOU CHOOSE to state YOUR opinion on something, anything, inc your opinion on the KKK, the US Constitution, Jaejoong’s lethally seductive smile… 🙂
@Saffire, this the quote you were looking for? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came%E2%80%A6
@Saf, Baf, I agree with both of you so much. My family is from South Africa. They had front row seats for the debacle that was apartheid. Many of my family members chose to leave the country because they could no longer stand by and watch what was happening and not be able to do anything about it. So I am very strongly in your camp, I would do a lot to preserve another citizen’s right to freely express their political, social, religious, whatever, views. It doesn’t mean I agree with what they say. I seriously cringed and want to slap people when I read newspaper articles about the christian fundamentalist bashing of muslims last year, or any of the other outrageous stupid crap people get all hyped up about every day. BUT as long as any of these incidents are PURELY verbal or printed expressions of a person’s beliefs, and not any kind of physical action based on them, I will support their RIGHT to express it, even though i do not support the stance itself.
That’s the difference, people. “Freedom of speech” protects the right to SAY what you like, but when the SAYING becomes ACTION, then it’s no longer in the realm of freedom of speech but moves into an entirely different realm and has the potential to become a crime.
Speech = protected right (I’ll stand up and fight for your right no matter what)
Action = be very careful your a$$ doesn’t land in jail (I’ll hand you over to the cops in a heartbeat)
Keep hoping BAF, I wish that it won’t be a long wait.
🙂 Keep Hope Alive.
Nostalgia….as time goes by….
Junsu, you, at your age, have experienced so many things.
Now it is a nice day, OFF to the Soccer field!!
So right!!!
Junsu..u just made me cried.. T__T..nuff said..
Jun-chan T__T
don’t be sad please, we love you T_T
Otis true ~ JYJ will be able to overcome everything because they have each other. It is sad that those wonderful songs from the 5-member DBSK now feel foreign but JYJ is now making beautiful new music together ~ making fans happy! Don’t worry…be happy!
I just had this song on repeat last night, before I slept T_T
I applaud them for moving forward, for growing out of their shell and breaking away (*cough*SM*cough*). Their music will finally be honest, unaltered by trends, big companies, and money-making schemes. They are great men just for that alone (considering what happened due to those decisions). But nonetheless, JYJ and TVXQ has made a mark on mine and many other people’s lives– that for me is enough.
JYJ Fighting! =)
awww i’m sad too ;( thats exactly what i am feeling now. those song that i’ve repeated hundred times a day, suddenly feel foreign to me ;(
but the past is past,
It´s So sad, poor Junsu opaa, be strong
oh my darling jun chan… you are such a darling… this tweet make me realise once again your are a normal healthy loving guy… eventhough it is sad to read your tweet that shown your resentment but in psychological aspect it is quite healthy for us to admit our feeling in open. not supress it inside our own heart. it make me recall what his jae hyung said in recent interview. “ I think it’s more important to care for those who are trying harder than normal to look positive, instead of those who say outright, “I’m lonely“..” (credit allkpop)
no..no… please dont take me wrong… just that sentences stuck in my mind recently…not implying anything deeper than that, okey… to speak out your mind openly and take sometimes to dealt with our feeling openly and honestly can help us to strenghten our mind and soul.
what i love about our JYJ are they live their life like they want to, eventhough some people still and will always bashing or questioning everything that they do/say. for me that is evident that they have healthy and positive mind. what amaze me more is they always speak up their mind openly and honestly without not even once losing their composures. never speak bad thing about others evethough they have been hurt repeatly. what a generous kind hearted smart young men they are…
my friend(non fan) read all the comment above and said ” whose Junsu… he such a lucky guy. having so many fan that geniuinly care for him like this. are you sure all these fan a just a fan? the word they write are too deep and inspiring. like an expert on philosophy or something….never before i read fan comment like this. usually it will contained words like…sooo handsome…soo sexy…ect or just bash/ hate everything. so, this is the site that help you improve your english and insightful thinking…no wonder..” hehehehheheheee….. just sharing…
sorry for ranting so long… just jun chan make my emotion shake… and i just trying to express my opinion… please be generous and be happy with everything that we have or used to had…LOVE ALWAYS… SMILE
@hodoh45
Your friend is a very wise person too. If they can recognize your growth and wisdom by connecting with this family, then part of our mission is done. Sharing is a beautiful thing. It’s one of the pluses for me. I’m learning something everyday, from so many people. I consider myself reasonably intelligent… 🙂 but I don’t know everything. So, when I interact with others here, I find out all kinds of terrific things.
Junsu is special in his own right, with qualities that make him unique. Just like Jaejoong and Yoochun, he’s like a magnet that draws you to him. I guess because I’m an ‘older noona’, I want to put my arms around each one and protect them. So, whenever others say cruel or stupid things, I won’t sit back and let it go unchallenged. I’m culturally not able to to that.
Nice to know your friend (nonfan) is so astute. Tell them I said hello. 😉
hahahaaa…. never though i’d received any reply…thanks… my friend still in shock when i tell them one of big sister sayinng hello to them.hehehehe.. just make my day…
a lot happening around us but if we always take a minutes to calm ourself before saying our opinion it is better for everyone, isnt i’m right dear sister? i am still trying my bestest to be a calm and collected fan. trying harder to not hurting others with my words.okey, have a nice day/night… love you all…JYJ fighting…JYJ Family loving!!!
You already show more good sense than those who hate ever can. Just continue what you’re doing, and you’ll be all right! 🙂
@hodoh45
“what i love about our JYJ are they live their life like they want to, eventhough some people still and will always bashing or questioning everything that they do/say. for me that is evident that they have healthy and positive mind. what amaze me more is they always speak up their mind openly and honestly without not even once losing their composures.”
I guess I’ve just come to the end of my patience with people who make these scathingly offensive comments when they obviously have only ill-will for the members of JYJ in the first place. They are just Haters, hating. Why should I care/pay attention to anything they say?
This is what I suppose they will never get–not in a million years: People don’t change their opinions about JYJ from reading their stupid hater comments. It’s just a big, pointless waste of their time. Why do they continue on??
“Why do they continue on??”
STUCK.ON.STUPID?
sorry…do i offended you or you just ranting about the haters?
hehehe…. my english is not that fluent… i think miscommunication always occurs because of that… i always need more time to understand what others really mean especially when i cannot interprate it through facial expression or the body language or it intonation. my peers always troll me because of my slowness. but it is hard to understand others.. no one can totally understand others.. it is easier to get mad than trying to understand it… my dad always asked me to try harder to think positive first… that deep breath and smile… smile always the quickest and effective solution for me.. ok..ok..ok.. others may think i’m such a dork but to try our best to say the right words in the right situation is a very exhausted thing… so when we are calm and positive, hopefully others too….heheeeeheee… live is too short for us to fill it with hatred… always loving my Jun chan, his jae hyung and his 6005….JYJ fighthing…JYJ Family fighting.. :p
I don’t think my VE Sister was referring to you. I’m sure she was talking about the ‘others’. Unfortunately, this situation of bad feelings amongst fan groups is going to continue for a while. Her tolerance level is just about as low as a sidewalk curb right about now, and I do mean a VERY LOW one. 🙂
So when I replied to her question about – stuck on stupid – that was referring to the ‘others’ as well. People whose entire life is focused on the negative are not happy people. Happiness is a choice. You either make that choice or you don’t. How sad for those who choose not to.
@hodoh45
“sorry…do i offended you or you just ranting about the haters?”
Oops, I think BAFfie and I just got busted for ranting… lol No, Hodoh45, you were FINE in the expression of your views. I was just more or less adding my thoughts afterwards. And don’t ever apologize for your English — it’s a marvel to me how well you communicate in a language not your own. I know only English, so I am in awe of you!
@Hodoh45
@BAFfie
“Her tolerance level is just about as low as a sidewalk curb right about now, and I do mean a VERY LOW one.
So when I replied to her question about – stuck on stupid – that was referring to the ‘others’ as well. People whose entire life is focused on the negative are not happy people.”
What she said! lol
I am first a TVXQ5 fan before JYJ…, I only get to know TVXQ5 in the beginning of Year 2009, Mirotic album, and I fall in love with the 5 boys combination of voices in their lovely songs. Dont say Goodbye is one of my favorite, just as Love in the Ice…and many more.
I hope One day, I will be able to attend a TVXQ5 concert LIVE, if it ever will happen, come what may. I am not forcing it, but just hoping that it might happen and I will jolly fly there to attend their concert. Now I am contended with their Concert DVD
I am glad and happy to have JYJ filling the big Gap that TVXQ5 left in my KPOP world. I have already attended JYJ’s showcase and concerts and I am so looking forward to their next tour in Asia.
Our past is our experience, our root, our history, our youth and occasionally, we look back, it is okay Junsu.
(That is why we have photo album, video to recap our memory, be it happy or sad moments). I am happy that you are able to share with us your thoughts freely.
JYJ fighting!
A++
http://thejyjfiles.wordpress.com/2011/01/05/calling-all-jyj-fans-be-the-better-fandom/
It’s ok to remember.
To be able to talk about issues could mean having come to terms with them.
Once in a while, people will look back and think what are the things that they could have done differently.
But eventually, it’s all in the past.
So I hope to tell Junsu, and also Jae, (Chunnie probably doesnt need it. :P),
“Don’t let yesterday use up too much of today. Our past is like a footprint. It only confirms we were there. No burden on our future does it bear. Bring the rain, clear the pane of clutter. Yesterday is history. Tomorrow is a mystery. And today? Today is a gift. That’s why we call it the present.” (^_-)
what do i have to do to make you smile?
anak ng taeng mga kaemohan ng linggo… inom na lng tayo junsu! xD
*hugs junsu*
it’s okay if you want to reminiscence the past you had, even if it’s hurt
and I’m glad that you shares it with us, I hope it can make you feel better
it’s your twitter, you can say anything you want in it, just ignore those negative comments that come with it,
be strong junsu!!!
Awww my baby junsu is sad!! T_T pls cheer up!
looks and sounds that uri junsu sshi having one of those emotional days again…please be strong dear!
That why i avoid listenning to DBSK5 songs, even im in love with that era, nowadays, its so different, the feeling, emotion, faces &the music. Neverless, it will stay a beautiful peaces.
Cheer up boy : )
aww junsu T_T jyj are the only one expressing their feelings towards the past .. & homin don’t even care =.=
He just made my cry .. I haven’t listen to it from a long time
I really like his tweet .. It somehow broke my heart and I felt pain but there’s something that made my heart pound inside .. He’s really sweet and I can’t believe how some people could bash and hate him.
I’m not sure when the last time I listened to Don’t say goodbye … probably months / years ago. When Junsu tweet this, I went to listen the song again, I ended in tears …. that’s why I do not want to listen to any T5XQ songs again, it’s hurting and very awkward to me …………..
btw, Junsu yah ~ ~ ~please be strong!!!!!!!!!!
we are always here to support you bb
i feel the same way as Junsu’s……i fell in love with DBSK5, i collect many vids ab them
i love their old song and laughing when watched their variety shows, but there is something weird coz it’s not the same anymore
if i feel this way as a fan, how ab Junsu ???
that’s life ….that you must take as a reality, just be strong and move on…..i believe you’ve chosen the right path
i love DB5K so much ! and i want them back as DBSK .
huhuhu junsu tweet makes me cry 😥
please homin leave SM !! don’t hurt yourself anymore !
back again as DB5K !!
@yuchunoppa
“please homin leave SM !! don’t hurt yourself anymore ! back again as DB5K !!”
But you see, they CAN’T leave SM even if they wanted to, which from 100% of their actions over the last 2 years, shows they don’t want to. Here’s why: They are signed exclusively to SM for 7 more years. JYJ saw an opportunity to leave and did so because they were originally signed to a 13 year contract which their lawsuit asserted was a “slave contract” and invalid. They had already worked nearly 7 years as it was and so saw their way out and grabbed it. Homin can’t do that. They have re-signed for 7 more years. DBSK can not re-form. And I would venture to say, from the look of things, each of the individual member’s words and actions, none of the parties involved want to.
I have not heard about this…..can you share where you got this info re: new 7 year contract for Homin with SM? I’ve seen many people speculate but I’ve not seen anything official yet…..would be nice to confirm the details. Thanks so much.
hmm.. can i have the source? (info re: new 7 year contract for Homin with SM) ?
maybe you’re right they can’t,but i’ve been heard if homin album sale is not SM according expectation,
Homin should leave SM ..
huahh.. this is complicated situation T.T
i’ll pray for this to be true,i just want them back ( no SM).
Just some general dates. The announcement that Avex/SM had worked out a deal with all the artists under the SM label, for them to re-sign contracts with Avex, was made on Nov 23/24, 2010. Link to the announcement (if you can read Japanese) http://www.avex.co.jp/html/upload_file/top_01/7860_2010112416081903_P01_.pdf
So whatever happened to the contracts (mod or re-sign) has to have occured some time 2Q/3Q 2010.
I’ve been trying to find a source that states if the original contracts were revised or if revised versions were signed, but so far I’m coming up blank. sigh.
These articles spells out that the contracts must be changed, but does not specify whether the changes are modifications to existing or new contracts.
http://koreanupdates.com/2010/12/23/dinner-news-fair-trade-commission-orders-sm-entertainment-to-change-contract-lengths-from-10-years-to-7-years/
http://jyj3.net/2011/01/21/info-fair-trades-commission-ordered-sm-to-correct-its-unfair-contracts/
If anyone else has better luck, LEMME KNOW! lol!
Dear thanks for taking the time. You are bumping into the same walls I’ve been frustrated with for the last year……so little info around the new contracts, just as little as how the court case is going for JYJ. I am very frustrated on some level and can’t wait to know more if and when it’s available….but it doesn’t look that way right now.
So I really, really appreciate your looking into it.
In the mean time, I am truly enjoying their new music! Cheers!
This is dedicated to Junsu…
LOOK KIDS NO AUTOTUNE!
FiqDzeko 10 hours ago
awww Junsu ….if I can give you a BIG HUG, I will
many can relate to the way you feel.