JYJ “Sometimes Dreams of Yunho and Changmin… Wish to Meet”
JYJ has relayed the wish to meet U-Know Yunho and Max Changmin with whom they have worked together as TVXQ.
JYJ revealed in the Press Conference held for the release of their first Korean-language album In Heaven that was held in a café in Jungdong, Seoul, on the 30th: “Still, there is no contact with the two.” Then there were significant words relayed: There may be a possibility that we be able to see them in the near future.”
On this day, in answering the question of whether he has contacted U-Know Yunho and Max Changmin who are members of TVXQ, Yoochun answered: “Still, the two people, I do not contact / there is no contact.” Continuing, Jaejoong hinted that he misses the two, saying: “Please let me contact them. In my dreams the two people often appear. There is one time that all three of us had the dream at once.”
Continuing, he revealed his frank heart: “A significant amount of time has passed. It may be misunderstandings and bitter feelings that formed due to the time that we were apart and the distance. We want to meet them and have a talk with them.”
Jaejoong also revealed that there is a chance for him to see U-Know Yunho. He explained: “The lighting director of Poseidon which is a drama in which Yunho appeared is the lighting director for Protect the Boss. [The director] told me to come for sure when there is an after-party. It is possible that I may be able to see Yunho then.”
On the other hand, JYJ released their first Korean-language album In Heaven on the 15th of last month. They plan to hold solo concerts on Barcelona, Spain on the 29th of October and in Berlin, Germany on the 6th of November.
Source: Segye Ilbo
Translation Credit: JYJ3
why do i still find it hard to believe they haven’t contacted at all? i would think they would’ve talked at least once.
Then are you implying that Jae Chun Su are lying?
i don’t view it negatively, more of a hope that they still have a good relationship. i just think perhaps that they don’t mention they keep in contact to avoid telling the press what they discuss, such as whether they’ll get back together, or other questions with no definite answers
I doubt so.
If JYJ can contact HM, they wouldn’t have to keep mentioning it everytime someone asked them.
And if JYJ said they couldn’t contact HM, that’s what I’m gonna believe.
@Kari you have your point!
@ kari
Your comment speak more about yourself, and about who you truly are inside, rather than others.
i have no idea what you’re talking about
Oh! that was for your first comment, now that I read your explanation. You don’t sound that bad.
With the constant plead for contacts. I truly believe that they lost contacts. If they at least get a chance to talk. JJ wouldn’t have to keep mentioning it and hoping to contact them and at least have a chance to talk. I think he truly can’t contact them in private that he has to resort to doing it in public. Hoping that they can catch a glimpse of it and try to contact him. So I think… He won’t stop until he get a chance to talk to them.
i see your point, thanks for sharing that
btw, just in case you –or others– still doubt it, this i-can’t-contact-them is nothing new in SM.
It has been long time since the post already but I just miss DBSK so much so I came back to those post around the incident time… Anyway, sorry for bothering, but when they disbanded the remaining members weren’t allowed to contact the other three – stated officially by SM Ent. I’m not sure how it went afterward about the forbidden contact between the members, I’ve heard nothing about it since then. I miss them so much… It just broke my feelings apart…
it just breaks my heart!
i want all 5 of them to sit down and talk and sort out their problems!
i love all 5 of them together!
SM fuck you for hurting all 5 of my babies!
HOPE THE SAME …. HOPE time will heal all the wounds … JYJ and HoMin fighting …
If only they would be allowed to talk, all misunderstandings would be settled. It hurts me to see them longing to meet and have a talk with Yunho and Changmin. I know that HoMin wants to talk to them too but SM just won’t allow them. Sigh…
I’m still hoping for a comeback of DB5K and I know that the five of them are too. I just have to be patient. It will happen it God’s time. ^_^
@DB5K Forever
“If only they would be allowed to talk, all misunderstandings would be settled. It hurts me to see them longing to meet and have a talk with Yunho and Changmin. I know that HoMin wants to talk to them too but SM just won’t allow them.”
If that were really the case, if they were really being utterly systematically controlled 24-7 by SM, don’t you ever wonder HOW they could have re-signed with them for 7 more years? Wouldn’t you imagine that there were warning signs that their lives would not be their own if they re-signed? Do you think that SM just sprang out of the closet a full-fledged monster of control after the ink was dry on their contracts? It just MAKES NO SENSE, to believe that “SM won’t allow them.” Are they 5 year old children?? Are they not allowed cell phones of their own?? What is this alternate reality that you can see that many of us here can’t??
I don’t think just talking solves problems or misunderstandings. That being said, no communication means nothing is being resolved
We have no indicattion whatsoever that HoMin WANTS to meet with JYJ. Rather it’s the opposite. They do not want to. Their actions and defamtory words speak loud enough. If you have any legitimate proof then please do share. I do not like to be kept in the dark.
First, I can’t find the REPLY button on your replies so I’ll just post in here. ^_^
@lilibaiyu: I’m not saying that they are fully controlled by SM. Why are you so snob with your reply? *pout* If you’re saying, how I knew that they are being prohibited by SM, then how did you know that they aren’t and they just don’t want to talk with JYJ? None of us really know the full story. And yes I think that SM is a monster. It’s my opinion anyway so, yeah! ^^ Yunho and Changmin changed their cellphone numbers, the reason behind? We don’t know. There maybe a misunderstanding between the 5 members that’s why they should talk. Nothing can’t be settled if they won’t. Yunho and Changmin’s actions are limited since they are under SM so they can’t really say how they feel like JYJ. Why did they choose to stay? We don’t know either. It’s not wrong to hope for the comeback of the five of them. JYJ always say that they are STILL a part of TVXQ. If the five of them will reunite, will you not be happy for Jaejoong, Yoochun and Junsu? I’m not stating Yunho and Changmin because I can see that you don’t like them. (I’m not really sure. ^^) This isn’t about SME but the happiness of the five of them. ^_^
@NingK: I agree that talking alone will not solve the problem. But talking is a start. ^^
@JYJFan: Yunho said on TVXQ’s fanmeeting last Oct 2 at Beijing China that Cassiopeia is the 6th member of TVXQ. He said 6th and not 3rd which means, he still considers JYJ as part of TVXQ. And Jaejoong is always saying that JYJ is their group name and it’s their initials because JYJ is a part of TVXQ. ^^
The thing with wishfull thinking is that sometimes people create lies just to prove their point.
I know it’s not you…but sers this getting out of hand….in the last 2 days OT5 are all citing Beijing fanmeeting as proof that Yunho still considers JYJ part of TVXQ, well there isn’t not one fan account that confirms those claims.
If you actually go and look for it you will find that it’s only citation of somebody who knows somebody that was at the fanmeeting and that somebody refered to him that somebody else at the fanmeeting heard Yunho saying those words.
If it’s true then why no fan account about the fanmeeting confirms it?
After SM patenting Cassiopeia name just for HoMin and trying to patent DBSK once again i highly doubt that they would let Yunho say those words,cause those words would put a stop to SM claims on the ownership of DBSK name.
Last time their patent on the name was refused(in korea) cause DBSK refers to the 5 members and ownership to the name could be giving only if the members agree to it and sign for SM getting rights on their name,since the come back HoMin and SM have stressed more than once that DBSK/TVXQ is now a 2 members group by doing so they are trying to affirm that DBSK brand is related only to HoMin and this is giving them more chances that the next time they apply for patent they will only need HoMin’s approval to get it.I highly doubt that SM would allow Yunho to say those words that will actually jeopardize their efforts and i doubt that Yunho after months saying that DBSK is made of 2 members out of nowhere he comes out saying those words,which go against everything he said so far.
“I know that HoMin wants to talk to them too but SM just won’t allow them. Sigh…”
Try to say that in HM biased site and you’ll be protested because you seem to treat HM as robots. As people with no choice in life, people who are being controlled by their company. You will also get an education about HM as humans who can choose which path they want to take. Not to mention, you’ll be accuse as being disrespectful for saying that about HM.
You don’t buy it? BELIEVE ME BB, I DID TRY.
I can see that most of the people here (not all, just most ^^) are closed minded so I guess I’ll just tire my self explaining. That’s my first post in there and I got so much love because of your overwhelming comments. It touches my heart. ^_^
I just want to clarify something. I’m not saying that Yunho and Changmin are SME’s robots. Why will I say that? I love them just a much as I love Jaejoong, Yoochun and Junsu. Saying that they aren’t allowed to is not the same as being a robot. They are under the management of SME and their company can tell them what to do or not to do. I’m sure you all know how SME threats their artists. Does slave contract ring a bell to you guys? Or if SME isn’t really holding them, that’s where “misunderstanding” comes in. And how does people solve a misunderstanding? It’s by talking. By talking, they’ll know what do the two parties have in mind and they will resolve it.
Please don’t tell me that Yunho and Changmin do not want to talk to them or have anything to do with them. Don’t let your hatred poison your mind. Why do you think JYJ specially Jaejoong is still reaching a hand? They know them most. What is nine years of being together? Do you think Yunho and Changmin will just throw that friendship away just because of what happened? I don’t think so. Again… No one of us really know what’s happening. Jaejoong himself mentioned that in his twitter account. Buy if… just if Jaejoong will read your comments. He will be hurts. You’re going to hurt the person you’re saying you love.
This will be my last comment pips! Thank you for entertaining me. I really appreciate it! Toodles! ^_^
@DB5K4ever
“Please don’t tell me that Yunho and Changmin do not want to talk to them or have anything to do with them. Don’t let your hatred poison your mind.”
Well, dear…. YH&CM have NOT talked to them in going on two years and have NOT had anything to do with them. What do you make of that? I don’t hate them, my mind could hardly be said to be “poisoned by hatred” it is merely “apprised of the actual facts of the situation.”
I’m sorry, but your arguments, aside from being incredibly rehashed and restated here many times over, once again just do not add up. We’ve heard all of this before btw, innumerable times. We’ve addressed each of your statements, point by point, many many times before. It’s hard to want to do it again, quite frankly. You are living in a world of “what if” and “we don’t really know, so…” That’s not the world that the rest of us here at JYJ3 live in. We learn, we ask questions, we research, we FIND OUT what is true and what is just not true. I can see that because you are so invested in your views being true, these are things you don’t want to do.
Frankly, it’s a little unsettling to me that so many of you OT5s have the exact same “script” with the exact same point by point rhetoric. And so many of you choose to come here and state the same old specious arguments that we’ve heard so many times before. Sorry, once again they don’t wash.
even if SM allow it, seeing the situation, it’s even more surprising for me if homin want to sit down and talk and sort out their problems… i don’t think they’ve never talk about it before the formal lawsuit.
Please let them meet and finish the misunderstanding between 5 of them. I know it’s impossible that they will get back together as 5, but I hope their friendship could remain. I love JYJ honest talk, support JYJ forever 🙂
im just crying so hard!!
i don´t know what to say, i just want to cry
be strong boys please be strong!
AKTF
I feel you.
will that put lightning director in dangerous situation? hope he won’t get fire for this.
I hope so too….
And the other thought I had was that now that JJ has publicly said it…….maybe SM won’t even let Yunho go there now……
The first thing I thought when I read; if SM knows about JJ’s intentions, they’ll never let Yunho attend such reunion. End of the story. That’s why I said my boy is a little naive……. 😦
consider it from the lighting director, “yunho, just got punk’d!!” kekeee..
yup
it’s also what i’m thinking about especially after Jae mention this through the interview 😦
this proves to DB5K fans that how evil is SM … They should wake up and see the inner truth of SM!!!!
@Nandar
Dont worry DB5K fans are really aware of how stupid, immature, idiot, and _____ (add + names here) SME is, but it doesnt mean we should stop liking HoMin for that.
I dont like a band from its agency, specially after this f*cker that is SME. Not only us but also elfs love suju and dont like sme at all bt still support them ^^
I hope they patch things up (seriously and sincerely) for long time friendship sake..
It’s hard to move forward with unfinished business and heavy baggage from the past..
JYJ has always been vocal reaching out.. this is no surprise.. i just hope the other 2 find the courage and the heart to reach back.. reconciliation is a two-way street.. JYJ couldnt do it alone if Homin will continue to be controlled by “their father” ..
I wish them all peace so that they could move on with their careers in good light and so their fans could also finally find the peace..
I agree with most of your comment. to say that they have no choice or forced doesn’t sound right, they r not kids.
1st of all:
I think we the fans shouldn’t invlove ourselves in these ‘personal’ matters, yes they r public, but it is between them, ppl who used to be close together for over than 6 years! plus, it’s not like they r some kind of toys or perfect gods! it’s better to emphasize the fact that they r ‘Humans’ they may be wrong at sometimes or right, and such
2- I gree that if they want to reconcile, both parts should make an effort. well, the two boys r still working under SM now, and they seems fine with it. because I’m not totally sure what exactly is in LSM head about JYJ, I believe that the 2 were given instructions to not talk about it anymore in a normal way -and tbh with u, I think this’s generally the best to do, so that everyone can move on easily with the fact that JYJ has no intention of coming back to SM-. also, I think these two guys since they re-started TVXQ ‘s activities (I hope u allow me to say this, but I don’t agree with those who call them tratiors and such, the thing that made TVXQ special among all k-pop, is the fact that ALL the 5 members r talnted with amazing vocals, and I mean ALL, let’s think srsly about it, TONE is just so amazing, no different than In Heaven-, so the 2 r technically cabale to carry on with the name, they proved so far that they don’t like the talent -they are TVXQ, too. it maybe a bit painful to song the old songs, but no one can say that they don’t have the right to :|, it’s TVXQ’s songs after all! and TVXQ ‘currently’ are YH and CM- as to how could they do that to JYJ, restart with it without them: let’s be rational and try to look from the other angle, JJ, YC and JS left them and almost immadately formed JYJ continued their job as singers and started with a ‘ new begining’ hinting a no comeback, while the other 2 ‘s activities were held for over than 2 years! -so if fans think that they need to be punished for whatever reason uthey have, I think this period was enough, and anyone who studied/knows their personalites should know how scared they might were, and how hard it was. to them they were satisfied with their path, and weren’t the ones to choose, yet they were horriblly attacked + no one trusted their talents.
so I may understand how the two think about it, let’s say it’s like they waited for 2 years for JYJ, now they decided to move on too and concentrate on proving to those who didn’t believe in their talents that they can do it.
hmm, let look at how some of the fans here commented..
to say that they should apologize to JYJ… now let’s be honest, even some of the 3 said bad things about the other side, so overall I think they r equal.
and if u ask me about it, I don’t understand how everyones r taking it way too seriously! if they were firends for only months, I will understand. but they were together for more than 6 years! I dare anyone to say that they never fought before such extreme fights! it’ll be heck weird if they didn’t, the issue here is that some stuff were in public, never to mention how easy misunderstandings can keep growing as they r apart from each other now, and u know what, FAMILIES were involved! now this is really a very important thing to consider! not that I’m saying that the 5 have no well on their actions or their families r bad, but.. well, just take yourselves with ur families as an example, and maybe you will get what I mean.
make it even hard to fix/ complicated!! + plus I think fans NEED to understand completely how their idols personalities work! all the 5, if u look closely, have their good and bad traits, but in general they r good inside, otherwise I woudn’t be interested in them or even writing this comment now!
and really, if YH and CM were compeltely jerks, then you will not see JJ still holding to them even YC or JS, they know them better than us. same goes for the other two, there were some little incidents were the 3 were brought up directly or indirectly, and the 2 were….like. normal in a good way about it!
so, for those who say that they r heartless and such,… well I don’t think so. I remember reading some bits here and there in their interviews, and I could sense that they DO care.
and just cause YH and CM r not originaly the type to express their emotions to the public, even with their friends sometimes (specially CM), doesn’t mean that they r heartless
also, I see some ppl saying how they seem mean and bitter. I find it strange, and don’t really agree with that! I’m someone who judge with their mind before heart, can notice such things right away from experience + not biased to any side. the result: I never noticed/ felt such ‘changes’!
they r exactly the way they used to be, the same kind-hearted, naive sometimes as before. maybe a bit aggressive and in a war-like mode with the people who r bad mouthing their abilities and talents. but since their coming back, as far as I remember, they never said anything bad about JYJ, I’m not talking about how the fans mislead their statements.
I don’t really agree with anyone who says that JJ is being naive or too kind hearted to care for those who ‘don’t want him’ -though I agree that he’s being a bit naive here, saying this in public =_=”, man… there’s a possibility that this lighting director will have a hard time >_>”! – he do express his emotions honestly a lot -and yes, it’s not always a smart thing to do-. but he is STRONG! he has a strong mind and will! he will not be fooled that easily I hope, and the other two could have simpley prevented him from doing such things if they belive that YH and CM r totally not good, specially YC, he will not just agree in silent.
in another note, JYJ fans, u know, nothing good comes from anything based on a stong haterd :\. the problem I believe is that ur list of hate is a bit too long. I know that u kinda can’t help it, since there is this lawsuit with SM,and CJeS keeps mentioning it almost in every statement when JYJ get banned/ make it hard to forget or ignore —> because you like JYJ you will hate SM —-> this lead eventually to hate every band under SM and anything involve it —> will make it kinda hard to get fans who r huge fans of these bands, and everybody in general because they will think this place a bit to hard to get a long with (I’m kinda like that, but I love JYJ).
btw, I’m talking about the common JYJ fan that I always say anywhere, not that the other sides don’t have such fans, too. but it is not like… official?
when I talk about SM, I’m not saying that I’m very fond of it, but I gotta remind u of something, that almost every company in that bussniess is just as dirty. it is bussniess after all, money always comes first. so, I don’t think that the ‘main’ reason for JYJ’s leave was %100 this, we all know about some of the things that were going around. and like what I said before, FAMILIES r a very imortant thing to take in consideration.
u know what, I even dislike CJeS more than SM :(! I really can’t trust them, kinda suspicous and unclear, plus they don’t seem like they r doing their jobs properly! instead of wating for the channals to invite u, go there and knock their doors untill u give them a headacke! yeah I KNOW that JJ, YC and JS are big stars and they r not newcomers. still, they choose to start from the begining in a new path, so they need to start afresh and build themselves bit by bit, since they r completely alone, and it’s not just about money. I don’t want people to think that they can only live cause of their fans, or that they r seeking attention in a child-like way. lots of things that I belive it could have been avoided if CJeS shows better/trust-worthy mangement than this.
omg, this was long! looks like I talked about lots of things here!
anyway,hope I didn’t offended anyone, I really want to be fully proud of this fandom, u have ur good points as well as the bad ones like any other fandom, but I don’t like the fact that I almost only hear ‘not good’ opnions about JYJ’s fans coming from other fans
“I wish them all peace so that they could move on with their careers in good light and so their fans could also finally find the peace..”
my sincere wish, too
I kind of read these things a long time ago and it did not change anything i believe of. I agree with some points but I think you can’t compare In heaven with Tone. I’m no singer and no background in music but i like music and i know how to distinguish a good music.
And you saying CJes is much more shady than SM shows you don’t really trust the boys. So personally I think you are just here, same with most Ot5s, to convince JYJ fans to appreciate, respect or whatever the two, which is never gonna happen for me as of now.
about In Heaven and TONE, you’re right that I can’t exactly compare them together cause one is korean and the other is Japanese
and k-pop is different from J-pop
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one is mostly self-composed, the other is not, in terms of the music/lyrics
but, it’s not only my openion, I’ve take several people’s thoughts and they liked both
at the end, music is about taste, so we may not agree. but I believe that both r of good quality, so very! better than their old ones actually.
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“And you saying CJes is much more shady than SM shows you don’t really trust the boys”
there is a reason why I pointed out the fact that they r ‘humans’. it means that they have things that they r good at and they have things that they aren’t. it is not a must to agree with everything they do.
“not trust them”,
so here you mean that JYJ = CJeS, ok..
“trust” just like anyother important words like “love”, I’m not the type to give them away blindly or without deep thought.
I simpely have never met any of these 5 guys in real live, never have a close intraction with them, why give them a full trust, actually there is never a thing like a compelte trust = they r not Gods.
for ex, if your sister is a terrible driver and wanted to take you in a ride, would you simply “trust” your life to her and let her hold the wheel, or kindly recieve the job yourself?
I don’t “trust” my mother’s ways of manging money, but I “turst” her openions of people
, there r some stuff that I trust in the people around me, and there r ones where I’m not, AND there things I still don’t know clearly or not sure about them so I can’t say I trust everything, I like to be honest. and u know what, even about me myself, there r things that I don’t trust!
the way you say it make it feels as if this word is another equievlent of “love/like”?! like if I like someone I must trust them and if I don’t I shouldn’t! lol, do you know that there r times when u trust ur enemies more than ur friends!?
so for JYJ, I trust their Talent, their good intentions, bright souls. if it is about mangment and entertainment works, I think I should say that I don’t know much about it, so I can totally say that I trust their tastes and thoughts! really don’t know why I should have to agree blindly with my idol about all things, I’ve have my openions, too.
and what I don’t like it about their current state, is that allmost all their works looks done only by them. yeah, it’s a good thing to have their own touch. yet all this require lots of concentration and hard efforts, it maybe ok for now, but this will be added to the stress tank in their bodies. we already saw how many times the fell sick, or didn’t have much of a sleep
at least, with SM or any big company, they do most of the work, take care of the promotions and such, which needs lots of time alone.
“So personally I think you are just here, same with most Ot5s, to convince JYJ fans to appreciate, respect or whatever the two, which is never gonna happen for me as of now.”
ok, I understand why you’re saying that, and personally I’m not that fond of them, so don’t group me with anyone please, it’s rare to find good ones with brains to think, not just as decorate! actually I don’t think I exactly belong to any place in this fandom, kinda homeless you could say..
anyway, that’s not exactly my pint. I’m not here to force anyone to like the other, etc. that’s in the end a personal thing. more than that, I just want people to always think and be more mature before they write about other people. and this of course applys also to, HoMin fans and the OT5.
to just hate or curse without thinkin deeply/ seriously about it/ to just do that like it’s a cup of tea,…. I think it is really immature. fans should be more open-minded, you don’t have to accept the other if u don’t agree/like them, just simply ignore and focus on your idols. no need to bring the other guys.
what I don’t get, here or anywhere, k-pop was it or any kind of other things is why don’t they get the fact that they’re talking about REAL people here! you have the right to think, express your thoughts, but please keep the extreme ones -especailly when you only know them from this screen- to yourself :|! unless you get the chance to meet them in person, that time saywhatever you want to to them! the whole bad mouthing job of the humanity is not something to be really proud of! a side curse the other side, the other would do the same, whether any of them deserve it or not, it will keeps goining on in this meaningless cycle forever, with their idols as tools.
really wish for them to grow up soon., and act more profesional
…………If I see any “pairing” talk here I will kick some ass. Not even kidding.
Oh, and I expect these plans to fall through.
Just like JJ’s other attempt, because homin don’t want to talk.
It was pretty clear when JJ tried to meet them before and homin decided not to show up.
JJ is trying to force something that really can only happen with time. LOTS of time.
¡Agreed! I don’t want to see him suffering and disappointed again……
“JJ is trying to force something that really can only happen with time. LOTS of time.”
I fear you might be right. No matter which way you look at it, I’m sure there are bitter feelings on both sides of the fence. Whether they work together professionally in the future, I hope at least that the members of JYJ can have some kind of communication, at least to put their hearts at rest, since obviously they are not at this time. (Heck, you work with someone for 9 yrs, it canNOT be trivial to walk away. SOME kind of closure is needed)
“I hope at least that the members of JYJ can have some kind of communication, at least to put their hearts at rest, since obviously they are not at this time.”
That frustrates me though, because worrying about people that aren’t even looking your direction is counter-productive.
The only way they’ll really be able to have closure in the future (imo) is for them to be content in their own selves and that they did extend an olive branch to the other two. They already made their intentions known; all they can do is move on with their lives and wait for the others to catch up or make their true feelings known abt whether or not they want to re-start the friendship or sever ties completely.
I learned this from personal experience; sometimes you have to let people go for them to miss you and eventually come back to you if they’re meant to be in your life again.
@bmw81187
““I hope at least that the members of JYJ can have some kind of communication, at least to put their hearts at rest, since obviously they are not at this time.”
That frustrates me though, because worrying about people that aren’t even looking your direction is counter-productive.”
Having read through all the comments so far, I have to say I agree with yours. My take, not a popular one perhaps, is that there is obvious resentment coming for Homin for the meteoric rise and huge financial success of JYJ after leaving SM and obvious guilt (rather akin to Survivor’s Guilt) on the part of Jaejoong for having been SOOO right to leave and for not being able to convince Homin to do so too. I think that’s the crux of it.
For me, there are a lot of negatives associated with Homin’s behavior that make me unsympathetic to their current plight. I think they are angry and bitter young men who are now trapped in an unfeasible job description: how can they POSSIBLY carry on the “legacy” of TVXQ with just the two of them?? And they are locked down into that business model for the next 7 years. It must be a nightmare–honestly.
Jaejoong, for all of his undeniable success and world-wide adoration and even taking into account all the hard times that SM has put them through ever since, ultimately left behind two brothers-in-arms. Who now refuse to even speak to him. He must be very very upset about this.
It’s a sad situation. I only hope Jae does not overly dwell on it. There is so much more to think about now…so many positives in his life right now. My final intuition here is that Yuchun and Junsu do not share Jae’s obvious great and continuing anguish in this regard. I think they are far more pragmatic. Or maybe they really tried everything they knew to convince YH&CM to leave also and thus have washed their hands of them finally.
I agree with you my dear @Lili, and still there are trolls who dare to say HoMin obvious bitterness exists only in our minds….
@lilibaiyu I agree! I think Yoochun and Junsu feel differently. If his is not the case, they’ve done a good job in hiding it. But then again. Yoochun is like a brick wall these days. T_T
I think HoMin, especially Changmin, are bitter. They have made it clear what they believe and what they want. Hopefully any miscommunications will be cleared up if they get to meet.
I agree with lilibaiyu
@lili, @bmw81187
“““I hope at least that the members of JYJ can have some kind of communication, at least to put their hearts at rest, since obviously they are not at this time.”
That frustrates me though, because worrying about people that aren’t even looking your direction is counter-productive.”
Having read through all the comments so far, I have to say I agree with yours. My take, not a popular one perhaps, is that there is obvious resentment coming for Homin for the meteoric rise and huge financial success of JYJ after leaving SM and obvious guilt (rather akin to Survivor’s Guilt) on the part of Jaejoong for having been SOOO right to leave and for not being able to convince Homin to do so too. I think that’s the crux of it.”
One thing I think we all need to remember as well. As much as we all (most ;D) love JJ and JS and YC, we need to remember something: they are 20-something young men. Just like the rest of us were/are/will be at that age, they are not perfect (much as we dream otherwise). I’m sure they get pissed off about stuff when they shouldn’t, say things that don’t come out the way they meant, and otherwise make asses of themselves on occasion.
So, why do we expect them to ALWAYS make the correct choices? Of course they won’t, just as none of us will always make the correct choices. So, for whatever reason, Jae is holding onto the pain of their split from YH and CM. I may not agree with his choice (in fact sometimes I think he’s pabo king), but obviously he isn’t going to let go of it unless it’s pried from him with a crowbar. This is why I truly wish he and the others could meet with YH/CM (without any outsiders there). Even if it turns into a god-awful shouting, finger-pointing, name-calling reunion, at least then Jae will know EXACTLY where he stands in their universe. The dirty laundry will have been aired, the spleen vented, and everyone can then move on. But, as someone mentioned, the pride factor is a tricky one. My stepmom was never one to apologize, even when it was obvious to a blind person that she was wrong. I get the same vibe from YH/CM… and from their fathers also, and those two seem to have been just as responsible for throwing fuel on the fires of a few months ago.
Sorry for long post…. and I’ve tried re-written the second part a number of times and I still don’t think it’s conveying what I’m trying to say, but hopefully the idea gets across.
@springbok7
Do you know anything about astrology? I’m fairly certain Jaejoong has Cancer on the Ascendant, as he doesn’t have it anywhere else in his chart. Because Cancer hangs onto EVERYTHING, including the pain of a broken relationship, no matter how much misery it causes them…. (They are also super affectionate/clingy, love to cook, soft-hearted, gentle etc!) We really need to get hold of a crowbar.
@Sapphire
“Do you know anything about astrology?”
Fraid not, I’m an astronomy person more than an astrology person lol!
“We really need to get hold of a crowbar.”
Feel free to swing by my place and raid hubby’s workshop. He’s got quite the crowbar selection, along with a delightful assortment of sledgehammers and other…. useful…. implements should we need any 😉
@springbok7
That sounds delightfully evil! Just let me call up my twinnie Sam-sam, otherwise known as Count Olaf, & the rest of the family & we’ll be swinging by hubby’s workshop any minute now!! If we each bring a plate of food, can we stay for dinner? Meeting up face to face with many of the ladies in JYJ3 is an ambition I’d really like to fulfil one day. 😛
My dearest Sapphire, if you all agreed to come over, it would boost the local economy no end (for which we’d all be hella grateful) AND we could have a lovely private JYJ concert at some local venues (cause I did mention somewhere that I’m kidnapping them, right?) Oh and before I forget, we have a perfectly LOVELY solid concrete air-raid shelter on our property dating back to WWII…. I’m sure we can put it to good use. 😉
(Jae! For the 100th time, step AWAY from the DOOR!!!) ROTF!
@springbok7
I can’t remember if I welcomed you to the JYJ3 family – I have a memory like a sieve! But just in case I didn’t, please let me officially welcome you to the best family in the world, give you your official @lilibaiyu “we” badge, & tell you that I am happy to call you sister! 😛
Now, about that air-raid shelter & your plans to kidnap JYJ…. let’s get down to business! ^______________^
@Sapphire
“I can’t remember if I welcomed you to the JYJ3 family – I have a memory like a sieve! But just in case I didn’t, please let me officially welcome you to the best family in the world, give you your official @lilibaiyu “we” badge, & tell you that I am happy to call you sister!
Now, about that air-raid shelter & your plans to kidnap JYJ…. let’s get down to business! ^______________^”
HAHAHA! Your memory sounds like mine…. what street do I live on again? 😉 is that “we” badge similar to the VE badge, cause I don’t think I qualify for that one yet 😉
Yeah, planning is important. plane tickets to buy, vans to rent….
@springbok7
Where is the car parked again? What was I saying 5 seconds ago? Yep, that’s me!
@lilibaiyu @bmw81187@springbok7
You guys said all that is in my mind/heart. I salute you for your wise words.
@lilibaiyu You’re absolutely correct. You bring up points I had not even considered and they all make sense. The only thing I’m concerned about is the fact that Jae continues to hurt over this. Like others have said, it seems like YooSu are more pragmatic or at the very least, have come to terms with the situation but for Jae to be holding on so one-sidedly… 😥
@springbok7 It’s the fact that he’s still so young that makes it all so much sadder. He’s so transparent about his feelings which considering the worldwide platform he occupies…..to never consider his pride and reach out so wholeheartedly time and again and not have it reciprocated.. Oh Jae…. : ( I’m all upset ever since I read this article.
I guess I would just wish that, even if he must be hurt in the short term, that Jae would have the opportunity to be told to his face “We don’t want to talk to you right now” if that is in fact their feeling. Cause you always have that doubt if you hear things “through the grapevine” etc, but to be told straight “it is THIS way” or “it is THAT way” would be closure. Yes of course it will hurt like hell if it is the negative reaction, but at least he can stop wondering and just move the heck on.
I, like you, have had moments like this. Hell I was not on speaking terms with my stepmom for 8-9 years after I got married, but I never failed to be polite and uphold my half of the relationship, and eventually she relented and we have a semi-normal relationship now. But it took a whole lot of patience on my part and a lot of time on hers. I’m sure this situation is exactly similar. The only difference is that I KNEW her feelings from the start, because she told me to my face what a f-up I was for getting married at 18. So yeah, I hope that Jae and the others can have the same “closure” I did, and perhaps down the road things will change. But the change will HAVE to come from the other side. You can’t force a person to “get over” something like that. Life just doesn’t work that way.
Yeah, I know people don’t “get over’ things like that.
But moving on doesn’t mean you’ve gotten over it or that you don’t care anymore and I get somewhat annoyed when people assume they mean the same thing (not saying you are doing this). You can get over something and move on, but move on and still have baggage from the past as well.
They should not be automatically paired together and can be mutually exclusive.
@bmw
“But moving on doesn’t mean you’ve gotten over it or that you don’t care anymore”
Yeah I agree with this. I did not “get over” the fact that the only mom I’d had for half my life did not want to have anything to do with me. But I DID stop asking myself “what else could I do?” and stopped blaming myself for what happened. I realized, after a while, that she was just as responsible for the situation. Things happen. They won’t change no matter how hard we wish it. The ONLY thing you as a human have any control over is how you view those things, how you allow those things to affect you, and how you advance in your life, in light of what you have experienced in the past.
This is what I wish for Jae and the others, that they can “move on” in the sense of stop wondering why, stop dwelling on it, stop wasting their energy on it… but sadly I think Jae won’t be able to do this until YH/CM pour a bucket of icewater over his head with their own four hands. He’s just too focused on the good in people for his own good I think. (I should talk, I’m the same way, never see the negative in people until it bites me in the butt, and even then I am prone to make a million and one excuses for why they are the way they are).
“I hope at least that the members of JYJ can have some kind of communication, at least to put their hearts at rest, since obviously they are not at this time. (Heck, you work with someone for 9 yrs, it canNOT be trivial to walk away. SOME kind of closure is needed)”
exactly….honestly, i think Jaejoong wouldn’t keep mentioning it so directly if in fact they could contact him, he seriously doesnt have a reason to, there is no ulterior motive in my mind except the fact that he wants some closure but the other two dont see to be interested
I was just about to have the same warning. Gosh, I don’t even wanna the name.
Lovely Jaejoong; a little naive my dear boy is……… Pure heart, crystal pure…….. Sweet forgiving man……. His attitude makes me love him even more if possible… 🙂
@GIGIKUSAKIT i so agree. i know that is what jyj wants, especially jj and i believe it could ease the misunderstandings and create more positive vibes between them and hopefully open up their friendship again, regardless of which path they take professionally. they were close for so so long, it is part of who they are.
Lol, sounds like a fanfiction. I hope they get to meet and at least hash out all the misunderstandings. If the other two aren’t interested in meeting (for whatever reason), then Jaejoong (and Yoochun and Junsu) needs to let that part of the past (HoMin) go for now and concentrate on the future. There’s only so much snubbing a person can take.
I agree.. for two years JYJ has been reaching out to fix the friendship and they havent change no given up.. makes me love them more..
whatever holds the other two.. SM preventing them, personal bitterness or whatever.. i hope they just overcome it.. so that when time comes they see each other on the street there will be no more awkwardness.. they have to forgive each other and settle all the misunderstandings and the questions of “what went wrong” .. they’ll truly enjoy their success if you know you dont have people hurting..
why its always JAEJOONG? why its always JYJ? why THOSE TWO DONT EVEN FREAKING TRY TO CONTACT THEM? WHY THOSE TWO DONT EVEN FREAKING MEET JAEJOONG MANY TIME HE TRY TO CONTACT THEM BEFORE? YOU HEARTLESS PEOPLE.
jaejoong already try his best many time to meet you 2, but what you have dont? refuse to meet him even when he have to flight back to korea just 1 day when he have filming in japan just to see you? jaejoong is the kindest man on earth. i will support whatever make him happy. but i wont ever respect those people ever again
and i need to rant. why some comment here like they are from ot5? i dont give a freak about homin, where are they when they even dont pick up the phone when jae call? what did they do beside going on TV and talking about “inhuman” and “goose” and “do not think clearly” and “dont know about the lawsuit”? if they ever want to come back to jyj. freaking appologze to my boys!!!!
Your sooo right!! They must say sorry to JYJ and to the fans!!! But to tell the true, I don´t want them back!! There were so bad to JYJ and to my Jaejoong T.T
♥JYJ♥ fighting forever!!
HoMin go home 😦
we all want the two to apologize publicly.. but i guess that alone is too much to ask .. if they have snubbed the 3 for the last two years.. apologies is like even close to impossible,, but if JYJ wants to be at peace with them.. for me as a fan of JYJ I can only support their wishes and hope they wont get hurt anymore.. will I like Homin if JYJ likes them? ahaha sorry am still indifferent.. no one can force me to like whom i want to like .. what i said at one instance.. personally i am okay with anything Homin if #1 it’s outside SM and #2 Homin apologized to all the public accusations they throw at JYJ in public TV and magazines.
I feel your angry and I am sad that situation has brought this to all five. sigh, sadly, there is nothing we can do for them.
@oh yeah
“jaejoong is the kindest man on earth. i will support whatever make him happy. but i wont ever respect those people ever again”
My feelings are very close to yours. I’ll never say never–maybe Homin will be able to redeem themselves someday. But as of now, I haven’t seen ONE SINGLE bit of evidence to suggest that they have any intention of doing so. My heart goes out and out and out to Jaejoong. He IS an angel.
@oh yeah @lilibaiyu Ditto, my friends. I don’t bother with groups I don’t care about. Even less do I care about camp fanwars but damn it, this is our Jae we’re talking about!!! *becomes a mother tigress defending her cub* *watches Homin steely-eyed*
OMFG JAE WHY YOU HAD TO SAY THIS!!! wouldn’ you just keep those to yourself? I don’t want all shippers to go crazy again >.<
Jae took pity on them, y’know since what they only have now are their imaginations. But seriously if people spazz abt this, they are seriously insane and crazy or whatever you wanna call them. This is quite a sad and heartbreaking news for them to spazz and have their imagination go wild again.
I agree.
I have to agree with you, sometimes his good heart makes me forget how smart and sometimes how devilish he can be ~
unfortunately.. for some.. imagination is just what was left to them …so they rather hold on to that than face the hard and painful truth.. dealing with sadness is not everyone’s cup of tea
agree with jenknight18. From what i see, those shippers totally ignore what is really going on. Most of the time, all i see is that they are living in their own imaginative world, spazz abt rumor as if it’s the fact though they themselves cant confirm it. They dont seem to care for what’s happening to the oppars they claim to love in REAL either. At the end of the day, i dont know who they really love here, and how can they live like that. but maybe jenknight’s explanation is right: “dealing with sadness is not everyone’s cup of tea”. so i wont be surprised if they spazz over this, after all, they only need something to claim that their imagination’s real, and the rest, the part abt hardships, difficulties, how harsh life is, they just dont care.
xD ikr? i see YJ shippers coming -_-
I want them all to meet again..
They sure hv a loooooooooooooooot to talk about..
They even dream bout HoMin..they missing each other soooo much..
Stop makin them suffer..just let them meet..T_____T
I believe every words they said. I won’t be delusional and said things like ‘who knows what happen behind closed doors’, ‘they might meet each other’, type of comment. Because for me if I do that, that’s the same as labeling JYJ as liars. And tbh, I don’t know if Jae’s plan to meet Yunho might be a good idea or not. Forgive me to say this, but I’m still butthurt after what the other 2 said about JYJ. But then again, whatever things that JYJ do, I’d support it.
After saying this outloud, I seriously doubt JJ would even be able to get near the building, let alone inside where the gathering will be.
Oh JJ…you haven’t learned yet. We can want things so much, but if its not time or not meant for you, it won’t happen. That’s life.
The most possibility is that Yunho won’t appear at that after party as well. It is JYJ themselves that I concern the most, in this case, it’s Jaejoong. I don’t want him to get hurt for hoping something that may not be turned out as reality.
hahaha…. well i dont know what to say anymore.. Jae is smart enough. Dont worry… if its fate them to meet then nobody can stop that.
I have to say I agree with you. Sometimes, it is wiser to not speak everything in your mind. I still can’t get over of some fans labelling JYJ as sympathy/attention seeker and this interview won’t help.
But as everyone said, haters are gonna hate no matter what. *sigh*
I’m pretty much sure that haters are gonna say that the boys did say this to boast up their album sell. Please JYJ don’t need to say this to get publicity so that their album sells well. Their talent and music are enough materials to create a hit.
These 3 boys are too kind and genuine that people or in this case haters can attack them so easily, especially Jaejoong. I could only pray that JYJ will stay strong no matter what happen. Just like you say haters are gonna hate. So, these boys should just walk with their chin up.
@Cynthia
“I’m pretty much sure that haters are gonna say that the boys did say this to boast up their album sell.”
Yeah, I LOL at this also. I mean…. 300k preorders… hmmm… yeah…. I can imagine the meeting now:
JJ: guys what are we going to dooooo?
YC: yeah man, we’ve only got 300K preorders….
JS: must… make… more… drama…
YC: quick hyung, make up some dramatic twitter stuff to sucker everyone into buying the album
JS: yeah, quick, hyung, do it, do it
JJ: ummm you want me to LIE to increase our albums sales?
YC/JS: YES, how else are we going to increase the DISMAL turnout?
CJES guy sticks head into room: Guys, we’re 100% sold out of In Heaven, no more new cds for a week
JJ: thank god, thought i was gonna have to LIE!
@springbok7
-rolleyes-
Ikr. Bet that kind of conversation happen in every haters mind T__T
Oh well.. I have nothing left to say to those haters.
JYJ, esp Jae are always the ones reaching out to HM.
Sometimes it makes me wonder if the other side cherish their friendship as much as JYJ do.
I am worried for Jae for he’s a such sincere and genuine guy who’s heart will be easily broken because of issues like this.
One more time I heard people say, “HM is under Sm that’s why they cannot say anything or contact JYJ…..etc etc…”, I’m so gonna use my frying pans on their STUPID heads!!!!!!!
honestly … i wish JYJ would stop talking about HOMIN … i know that they value their friendship but every time they say something they always end up getting bashed … urghhh >< such mixed feelings ! i think JYJ has many times already expressed how they feel about the other two … now it.s their turn. JYJ can reach out so much and so many times … it.s time for HOMIN to step up … urgh i don.t know what i.m saying … pms makes me emotional haha.. but seriously … right now its only JYJ !
Maybe that’s the only way to reach out for HM?
Coz the other side is shutting themselves away from JYJ, I think.
i don.t want them to do all the work >< i think they have reached out enough. there so much just one side can do in a relationship … the other side has to be willing to put in some sort of effort too. whether HM is SM or not doesn't matter .. apparently there has been no contact behind the scenes either or else jae wouldn't be talking about it .. i'm just sad that it's always jae who has to be the one to express his longing and show his vulnerable side.
@myJAE
But that’s just Jae isn’t it. 🙂
That’s why we love him~
I take this interview with a grain of salt. JYJ are always asked about homin and JJ is known for being honest. So he answers the questions and when the interview is edited this is what you end up with. It happens all the time. They know many people will read it if there is a reference to TVXQ/homin.
I think Chun is done with the whole mess and just wants to move on. Su’s been burned once so he says nothing at all even though he misses the old times. TVXQ was JJ’s everything and I don’t think he’ll ever be able to let that go.
I am afraid that something ugly is going to happen and JJ will be hurt. If homin wanted to secretly contact them they could send a message through Eunhyuk.
And no matter what SM says they didn’t have to say the hurtful things they did say. We are all responsible for our own actions and choices.
Another thing I’d like to say is that I don’t believe for a second that they are suffering. I think they were promised something and Sm made good on that promise or else they wouldn’t have resigned they’re contracts.
*sighs*
Hands up who else wants to wrap themselves around Jaejoong’s heart to stop him getting hurt again? Yunho & Changmin don’t know how lucky they are.
*raises hand*
I know right ?! can you imagine having a friend like jae ? someone who seems like he.ll always help you out and reach out to you no matter what ?
*raises hand*
Jae’s always been vocal. This time is no different. I just don’t like the fact that some fans are placing all their hopes and dreams of a reunion on his shoulders just because he’s the only vocal one and the one we see reaching out. But it’s a two way street. Jaejoong can’t do it by himself.
-raises both hands and legs –
*sigh* I wish I could tie him completely and not letting him go, it’s HM time to reach out, I wonder if JJ gets tired sometimes T_T
*WAVES BOTH HANDS!* So true, they really don’t know how lucky they are.
@Sapphire
Me!! Me!!
I want to wrap JJ’s heart with all the protective materials I can ever find on this earth and protect him with every means possible.
He was raised very well and he has a heart of an angel.
The people who threw it away does not deserve anything from him.
Once thing I am afraid of are those DELUSIONAL shippers and DELUSIONAL and FAKE OT5 fans. They are going to take JJ’s statement and twist into some horrible, mangled thing to suit their perverted and moronic minds.
When that happens be ready my fellow JYJers.
Defend and conquer with class!!
my pan is ready so as my katana!!
*raises hands too*
I’m telling you Jaejoong is such a masochistic, he longs for pain! We just need to strap him to a chair, splash him with some water so he’s nice and wet, and slap him to his senses.
I’m just trolling as usual ^____^
just joking guys…. just in case.
Lol totally agree with you he’s a complete masochist.
@Dee when you said nice and wet.. i had a split second of perv thought nyahahahah
can we slap him nicely with JYJ a frying pan?
Raise hands by the way I like your avatar
raise both my hands
I’m not a fan of HoMin…and I honestly think JYJ are better off as they are now. But despite how I feel about the situation, it isn’t my problem to deal with. If JYJ feels that they really need to contact HoMin, then I sincerely hope things work out for them. As indifferent as I am to HoMin, I love JYJ much more and would accept any of their choices as long as they are happy. I could never be a selfish fan who worries more about my own feelings than theirs. They’re the ones enduring these issues, not me. The only thing that bothers me is that I feel they’re putting in so much effort to fix the situation, while the other side is doing nothing at all. In order for a friendship to succeed, both parties must make an effort, and right now I feel like this is definitely not what’s happening. I’ve seen countless times how strong my boys are and how much they can endure, but I just don’t want this situation to cause them more pain…they don’t deserve it. I, honestly, wish them the best though. They deserve all the happiness in the world.
like your comment 100000000000000x
I love you! T_T
super LIKE!
Jaejoong might not be a leader in TVXQ but he really one GREAT Big Brother to TVXQ! He cares and loves all of them like a big brother taking care of his younger siblings..he really got balls by saying it out loud!-“Uknow & Max – come out here, lets talk! Don’t hide behind the goose or knee drop guru!!” …or somethng like that!!!
Wonder what Uknow & Max gonna say about it!!
“Wonder what Uknow & Max gonna say about it!!”
probably nothing? or nothing good? sorry, I’m usually the perennial optimist, but not so much in this case.
the most effective way to protect the legacy is to protect the friendship and relationship that brought the lagacy.. and not just sing the old songs and dance the old routines.. in my eyes. .JYJ has always been the ones keeping their old team’s spirit alive.. as a fan of JYJ for the last 2 years.. I’m happier seeing them carving their new legacy with their own effort and talent.. but i love their principle in life.. if in doing so they’ll lost friendships they would step down and shed of their pride to fix things and cherish relationship before moving on.. what is success if you have broken relationships.. for that my respect for JYJ is skyrocketing to all time high again
JJ was.. to be frank, the glue that held THSK together.. vocally and personally.
and as for him not being a leader… yeah, who was it again who took part in staff meetings and plannings in Japan for THSK?
JJ is a great big brother and leader for JYJ now. I just wish he didn’t say things like this in public. It’s fine to say that he wants to meet (i.e. misses, because in Korean like in Japanese, those two expressions…) 2hsk, but as for going that far to point out a staff member and a possible meeting… really not smart.
I think rather than being dumb, he was sending a message here that he hasn’t given up on meeting them, no matter how long it’s been and how many times he’s been rebuffed :S.
Like I said above
I am not very optimistic about this meeting.
But I DO HOPE that Jaejoong gets his wish and they will become happy friends again….
(I want them to stay as JYJ though….they can talk about Homin as much as they want.
I for one don’t like wasting energy or thoughts on hate or dislike
To all those who do bad things in this world I firmly believe their bad days will come too)
These are the scenario’s I imagine:
1. SME (THE STALKER EX) reads this interview and doesn’t let Yunho go
2. KBS reads this interview and blocks the lighting director from telling JJ when the party is happening or where
3. JJ gets to meet Yunho but gets snubbed on the spot (which will hurt him even more) (…..but maybe he won’t get the message (lol) nad stalk Yunho up and down the hall XD)
4. JJ meets Yunho but because this is a party they get busy with other things and miss each other again so have no chance to speak
5. OR they meet but since they have many misunderstandings no resolution is reached and they agree to meet ‘again’ but that doesn’t happen
6. After a series of meeting they make up
I, for some reason, feel that Changmin would reach a resolution faster than Yunho though…..
“I, for some reason, feel that Changmin would reach a resolution faster than Yunho though…..”
^THAT
Yes, Changmin is a lot faster
or maybe for my boy’s safety I don’t want him to meet Yunho (yes, I’m talking about IT)
About IT and about EVERYTHING ELSE my dear. It isn’t a secret that I don’t like how Yunho behaved towards Jae and ChunSu. I don’t want him to meet Yunho either. 😦
I think Changmin is the kind to hold grudges and do not forgive easily. I don’t think those two are bad people though.
To be brutally honest, I can never look at Yunho without thinking how smugly self-satisfied he looks. It may just be a shield or a mask he wears for self-protection, but I can’t help wondering if Jae see’s more or better in Yunho than there actually is. I don’t think Yunho will do anything that might negatively impact his career, & given sm don’t want JYJ anywhere near Homin, I’m figuring he will toe the line – at least until sm tosses him on the scrapheap. Then I won’t be surprised at all if suddenly Yunho wants to talk to Jae… 😦
I agree with you about Changmin.
“It may just be a shield or a mask he wears for self-protection, but I can’t help wondering if Jae see’s more or better in Yunho than there actually is.”
That part may actually be true. The thing about Yunho and Jaejoong is that these two go waaaay back. And to be honest, I too agree with how he seems ‘fake’ and ‘smug’ in front of the camera. But the thing is, the other members know EXACTLY who the real Yunho is, behind the scenes. And yeah, I think the real Yunho is more fun and happy, a kind-hearted man who can’t handle relationships with women well, loves competition, hates to lose, and pretty dorky (out of his character given my SM).
If they were in an SnM relationship. Homin is the S and Jaejoong is pitifully the M. Jaejoong is a masochistic at heart.
@Dee
“But the thing is, the other members know EXACTLY who the real Yunho is, behind the scenes.”
That’s the one thing that stops me from outright wishing Jae, Chun & Su would just move on & let the past go for good. But then again, people change, & adversity brings out either the best, or the worst in people that was there all along but just needed the right circumstances to bring it to the surface. Sometimes it takes falling flat on your face to realize that the person you trusted in, believed in, relied on to catch you, isn’t who you thought they were all along. Not only has Yunho repeatedly let Jaejoong fall, he’s been the one to push him in the first place. Regardless of his motivations, Yunho, IMO has behaved like a self-serving coward throughout this whole debacle – whether he’ll have the courage & honesty to accept that about himself, step up to the plate & meet with Jaejoong is a whole other story.
@Sapphire,
As a fan of DBSK before JYJ, I have been observing some things even from way back when. I think that, in my opinion, Yunho holds much pride for himself. He has a competitive nature and hates to lose, and at the same time he holds importance in his pride. I think it’s also the same with Changmin. These two may seem like opposing personalities but they share very similar characteristics. I think it’s that pride that holds himself back from all of this. That, and I believe Yunho’s father is a big influence on him and his decisions.
I would think Yunho would be the person who, deep down inside, still cares for Jaejoong and the rest of the members. But yeah, you’re right. In the end he made himself look like a coward.
i want them to all meet so that jae and su can get the closure that they need. to me, it seems like what’s really bothering su and jae are the fact that they haven’t gotten closure. they need to meet so that hm can tell them straight up whether they want to be friends or not. it seems like chun is the only one that has moved on (from my point of view). someone people just need time to get over it (like chun) and some need that closure to really move on (like jae and su). i think chun feels like he’s done everything he can and now it’s the other party’s turn to make their move.
@dblJD
“…Yunho holds much pride for himself….
Yunho’s father is a big influence on him and his decisions.
THIS!!!!!!!!!! Absolutely, positively….
“I would think Yunho would be the person who, deep down inside, still cares for Jaejoong and the rest of the members. But yeah, you’re right. In the end he made himself look like a coward.”
And it’s a shame. To throw away all those years…. I think he was/is very insecure. He says his father and his grandfather were against his decision to go into the music business, but that b4 his grandfather died he basically ‘promised to do good’, so to speak. Also, I think he wants to prove to his father that he can make good and show him that NOT going into the same career (lawyer) was still a good choice. I think think this kind of pressure has got to him and he can’t back down now or can’t go towards an ‘unknown’ path with JYJ where it wasn’t sure that TVXQ (as 5) would still make it w/o a BIG entertainment company behind them. I’m not trying to pity him or generate support for Yunho, but I think (IMHO) that is some of why he’s doing this/being this way.
I just hope he’ll come to his senses and realize that even though you want to have a successfully career, you don’t need to step or snub people just because they disagree with you or took a different path. If you were afraid to leave the “system” cause of the prospect of the future, you still don’t need to stab your friends/fellow bandmates in the back when they tell you they are going to sue the company you’ve been working for, and, YES I do not doubt for an instance that Yunho knew what JYJ had planned on doing. I don’t think that in the middle of the night, Jaejoong and the others said, “Oh, let’s sue SME and break away, but don’t tell YH & CM in case this falls thru so that they remain safe.”
That doesn’t fly with me.
i almost burst in tears about all you’re saying. i used to hate homin too..i’m one big loyal ot5. but time goes and i learned the reason behind this all was nothing but professional matter. i used to hate homin more when they say bad thing about jyj. but again, at least from some news and videos i knew that homin or at least yunho wasn’t that bad and selfish. a cocky and selfish person would NOT talking about mmories of 5 members in public, trying not to cry when they are pushed by stupid SM to sing db5k song with shinee…like in here..
about what they said about jyj being a traitor, did nobody think that it was *maybe* SCRIPTED??
i’m not a homin stan to defense them like this nor a jyj antis. I’M OT5fans.
i try not to read much the.comment section but since i saw many good neutral sight i continue to read. but this is too much. by bashing homin then you’re no different than homin stans. i know how you guys being in protective mode for jyj, but sometimes i cringed at you guys said.
and i don’t even know why i do this, and i’m not trying to start any war.
as i went back and forth this site, i can see that you’re all mature, but do you realize that what you’re doing right now is not mature?
and this refer to not only @sapphire but everyone…
i’m sorry if i offend someone..but i can’t take it anymore
and sorry for the language..am not a native speakern too..i’m one big loyal ot5. but time goes and i learned the reason behind this all was nothing but professional matter. i used to hate homin more when they say bad thing about jyj. but again, at least from some news and videos i knew that homin or at least yunho wasn’t that bad and selfish. a cocky and selfish person would NOT talking about mmories of 5 members in public, trying not to cry when they are pushed by stupid SM to sing db5k song with shinee…like in here..
about what they said about jyj being a traitor, did nobody think that it was *maybe* SCRIPTED??
i’m not a homin stan to defense them like this nor a jyj antis. I’M OT5fans.
i try not to read much the.comment section but since i saw many good neutral sight i continue to read. but this is too much. by bashing homin then you’re no different than homin stans. i know how you guys being in protective mode for jyj, but sometimes i cringed at you guys said.
and i don’t even know why i do this, and i’m not trying to start any war.
as i went back and forth this site, i can see that you’re all mature, but do you realize that what you’re doing right now is not mature?
and this refer to not only @sapphire but everyone…
i’m sorry if i offend someone..but i can’t take it anymore
and sorry for the language..am not a native speaker
I’m sorry if we upset you but this is just our personal opinion. We’re not trying to attack or hurt homin but we want to understand why they’ve done what they’ve done. And this not all a professional matter. Just like when everyone was attacking Junsu, Eunhyuk chose not to and he even meets with him from time to time. Everyone has a choice and is responsible for that choice. As much as you want to you can’t blame everything on SM, Homin are just as repsonsible for every word and action they’ve made.
@Yukasato
“i almost burst in tears about all you’re saying. i used to hate homin too..i’m one big loyal ot5. but time goes and i learned the reason behind this all was nothing but professional matter.”
For you to post that video and write the comments you did, you are obviously still very much interested in watching Yunho and listening to him sing. “Almost crying”?? I didn’t see it and I watched the whole thing and it was hard to do. After all that has happened, I no longer find him entertaining on any level whatsoever. If that’s what you call bashing, then count me in. I’m sorry you are hurt by comments here; I’m sorry that you feel the way you do. I have no wish to offend you personally at all. I just find your comments naive and I think you have some basic misinterpretations regarding the facts. “Scripted”?? That’s just giving Homin a ‘Pass’ for all that they have done. I don’t believe it for one minute.
@yukasato
I am sorry that you are hurting, & I am sorry that I contributed to your pain. There’s not much more I can do…. You have your view of Yunho, I have mine. To defend my opinion, or to argue yours would just cause you more pain. Neither of us is going to change the other’s opinion. We’ll just have to agree to disagree…
That sounds cold, but I really AM sorry that you are hurting.
I am sorry if you are upset by what you read here but you have to realize, HoMin has been cruel to JYJ. You say it was scripted. I say, they had a choice. People always have a choice. They could have said no but they didn’t. Even if a gun is held to somenes head, they still have a choice. Every decision comes with consequnces be it good or bad. Just because their boss tells them to do something, they don’t have to do it. If it is wrong ad people know it’s wrong but do it anyway, isn’t that worse? This is just an analogy but in a court of law. When someone is on trial they can’t say “I only did it because he told me to!” That won’t fly! They need to take responsibiliy for their actions. I hope they reconcile but I’m weary with how HoMin has been acting. I know you cannot hear my tone of voice or see my facial expressions or body language but my response to you holds no aggression or malice. I’m trying to get you to see where I come from.
@yukasato
I understand where you are coming from, and I hear what you are saying. I have no clear idea what really happened between the five of them, so I can’t say that it was all professional like you did, but I think I understand what you are trying to say. There are times I don’t even know what to call myself anymore: OT5, JYJer, Homin Fan, you name it, I take turns, because deep down inside, these are all aspects that I can relate to, as much as they all truly do conflict one another sometimes.
But the again life is full of conflicts. What’s happening to JYJ is nothing compared with the injustices all over the world, yet that doesn’t make it any less significant. We all care about what we care about. JYJ inspires passion.
I feel your frustration re: all this judgement towards Homin. It’s true. This place is packed full of it, and backed up with each person’s own logic. What you are saying is true also, go to another Homin-based site and it’s packed full of judgement towards JYJ as well, again backed up with each individual’s logic. It all depends on which side you are coming from. However, Over the years I can pretty much recite all the reasons. Love and betrayal are, after all, the major human themes for thousands of years, and often times, not anything any court of law can decide. What’s being put on trial here, if we look at only the facts, is the exclusive contract between JYJ and SM (I personally think that SM has committed systemic abuse towards numerous people, but that’s I don’t want to sidetrack,). Yet when it comes to matter of the heart, fanwars are pretty much fighting over the love shared between these five men: how dare that love led to betrayal, and who was to blame.
I have no answers.
I only know it’s only too easy to judge those who judge, and I certainly have done it myself. What prompts me to reply to you is that I can relate to you: there are times I feel very lonely, because it’s challenging to find a place where there’s less judgement, and more compassion.
This is where we all get to practice “be the change that you want to see”, I think.
This is a JYJ3 site. JYJ fans have every reason to feel protective of JYJ since they have been so brutalized with injustice, and some truly cannot understand Homin since the new fans are not as familiar with their personalities nor share the same kind of love some old fans have, and some old fans are so wounded by the split and have chosen a side for their own reason. I only know that each time something like this happens, everyone hurts. It’s only too easy to call others delusional when we disagree, because once that label is on, very little effort need to be made to stay open and listen. I know I’ve done it, especially when I am angry. It’s only human, and it’s a very dramatic situation where we are all frustrated because none of us wants to see the boys hurt.
I don’t know what to tell you other than that I understand your feelings when you read these comments. For myself, I try to imagine where each person is coming from, and when I can hold multiple angles inside myself, it’s a little easier. Also, maybe adjust your expectation level as you go to each site: from each particular group there will be particular beliefs and values, try to make room for them. It’s their home. These people gathered for a reason, and they share your love for the boys, deeply.
That’s something you can hold on to.
JYJ is in the middle of a very, very, very intense fight. We are all little raw. You take care, my dear. I give you a big hug. I can feel your sincerity. Thank you for sharing.
Sorry, not convincing me.
I’m sorry if you were hurt and upset by the comments on this post but people here are allowed to share their opinions and feelings, even if you may not agree with them. This is a JYJ fansite, of course we are gonna be biased towards JYJ, of course most people here don’t really like HoMin or aren’t even interested in them. To be honest, I sometimes wish JYJ, and more particularly Jaejoong, would stop talking about HoMin, because it is always a painful and delicate subject. But the thing is, Jaejoong has always been one to say what’s on his mind, which caused him some problems when he was still in TVXQ since he was judged to be too blunt and even scolded about it sometimes. We know JYJ miss HoMin, they have been reaching out to them since the beginning of the lawsuit, but what did they get in return ? Nothing. And when HoMin finally decided to say something about JYJ, it was to say hurtful and defaming things about them. You’re saying HoMin had no choice, that everything they said was scripted, that they were forced to say and do what they did by SM but, isn’t it even worse ? They are grown men, they have a mind of their own, saying SM force them to say and do things they don’t want to means you believe Yunho and Changmin have no guts, that they are cowards and puppets. Do you even realize how insulting this is ? No one put a gun to their heads when they decided to write these letters in which they accused JYJ of breaking TVXQ up because of their greed and their business with Crebeau. The same goes for when HoMin said they didn’t know anything about the lawsuit and that JYJ didn’t try to contact them (and so indirectly accused JYJ of being liars), or with Changmin’s infamous goose analogy and what he said about Junsu after the “twitter incident”, or what they said about JYJ in the “Knee Drop Guru” episode etc. You always have a choice. If HoMin truly didn’t want to say/write these things or to sing TVXQ5’s songs they would have said/done something about it, or else it means either they don’t care, or they are indeed cowards.
I’ve seen the video and didn’t feel anything. Shrug.
@yukasato I can sympth with your feelings coz I feel like that abt JYJ, especially Jae. I want to protect him from everything and defend him. But at the same time, I agree with what everyone else has said in reply. Homin are 20-something yr olds, not kids. It’s been 2 yrs. Are you telling me there was not one, ONE, chance in 730 days for them to reach out to JYJ if they had so wanted. Come on. 730 days!! And they’re not only being cowardly, they’re being deceitful about it because if they ever said outright ‘we don’t want to meet JYJ anymore’ they would lose their OT5 fanbase. This is shrewd marketing and management. Meanwhile, there’s Jae up on stage in front of the whole world talking repeatedly about missing Homin. Like others here have said, I love that boy like nothing else but I too want to shake him so he’ll come to his senses. Sorry if I seem harsh, this is my personal take on things.
@sapphire As usual, our thoughts coincide perfectly!
@Nikki
“To Yukasato: Come on. 730 days!! And they’re not only being cowardly, they’re being deceitful about it because if they ever said outright ‘we don’t want to meet JYJ anymore’ they would lose their OT5 fanbase. This is shrewd marketing and management.”
I really believe you’ve hit the nail on the head. Their lack of any response is a shameless attempt to keep the fanbase loyal and buying their CDs for as long as they possibly can. This is what I find so curious about the reasoning abilities of the OT5 people. On the one hand they say, “Homin are being gagged and curtailed by SM.”
Then they say “Homin have too much loyalty and integrity to turn their backs on SM.” Too much loyalty and integrity to turn their backs on dishonest men who they know are systematically persecuting their brothers for the lengh of time it takes to make one PHONE CALL? How does THAT work?
All of their reasoning, all of the rationalizations, when taken and looked at together are a mish-mash of emotional gibberish. Then SM leads another parade of unicorns, rainbows and fluffy bunnies through town and the whole crazy circus starts all over again, because (and to my mind, this is the one that negates ALL previous arguments completely) “We just don’t really know anything, so let’s just wait…”
But of course, continue to buy SM product while you’re waiting, girls…
@lilibaiyu Girl. You were bang on calling it a “crazy circus” That’s exactly what I see happening!! I just wish others would too, especially JYJ who really need to drop the blinders. Homin knew exactly what they were getting into sticking with SM, it was an informed decision. And they well understood the implications of that choice. So sorry, no sympth to spare that direction.
“But of course, continue to buy SM product while you’re waiting, girls…” ROFL 😀
Same here I’ve always felt like Yunho was extremely fake even before this situation happened.
me too,i’ve always felt that way in all their old interviews.
Can you tell me what you mean? How did Yunho appear false? I’ve heard this from others before but never any reasons why. I’ve watched dozens upon dozens of their interviews and TV shows but I didn’t see it. Then again, I’m not always observant. I stopped supporting HoMin after what they did and said months ago but not because of his time during DBSK. I’m so curious but I get no answer! ><
To the point ‘pleading’ to met them…..Aish JJ ah….I felt you…..Seriously i dont care about DBSK anymore but i put exception for their friendship. i still hope they can sit together and settle the misunderstand around them before ending or begin it nicely…..For me..in the ends it’s still and always JYJ.
Awwww….I’m crying reading this. Jaejoong is too caring. If Homin don’t want to talk, JYJ should just move on and look forward to their future. Don’t want them getting hurt anymore than they have too.
sorry ..in the first time i say this comment..i’m so sick and tire with those comments ” because they work under SM, they can’t….’. ” SM let them met,please….”..I dont like SM so much, i know SM so evil,…but they are not guard HM 24h/day, 7day/week, 52week/ year for allmost 3 years….except they keep HM like prisoner with the guns….if HM really want to see the friends, they still have their change…0000 please, we are not a kid anymore to say beause the gosh hold their shirt back….,! o my god…the more JYJ “one way ticket” and JJ…make me feel hurt so much!! the more their have sweet heart the more i feel unfair to them…i alway respect TO5 fans for their long love ( i can understand) but those explain not make sence at all…too much! greeee
EXACTLY! Thank you! HoMin are grown MEN fully capable of making their own decisions. Each and every person is held accountable for their own actions. They could have said no. I know Koerans believe in personal responsibility so that means HoMin does too. Either they are willingly doing this and believe what they are saying, or they are being told to sday and do things. I’m just not sure which one is worse. ><
And my goodness! Dear JaeJoong! WHY did he say this?! He knows very well if SM gets word of this, they won't meet and he may have cost that lighting director his job. I love JaeJoong but I'm shocked he said this.
I think this will be good for him. Either things will go really well or they will have to severe ties. Something needs to be done and resolved. This has gone on too long. Don't get me wrong. I want them to be friends again but sometimes people change, and not always for the better. I don't want JaeJoong to get hurt but I worry he will.
Nope, he is smart this way. It’s out in the open. Sometimes when you fight those who fight dirty, leave them no room to hide.
Homin wll never say..CAN never say..what they’re truly thinking because it will make them lose some fanbase or the other. If they say they want to reach out, there goes the Homin camp. If it’s ‘we don’t want anything to do with JYJ’ there goes OT5 camp. See how they’re stuck now from being all secretive about the issue from the start and claiming not to know about the lawsuit? JYJ however has been open from the start abt Homin, so their fans, old and new, have accepted them as they are. So they will continue to hadge, our resident angel Jae will keep holding on to hope….I can this having no end. At least, until Jae finally wises up. God knows when that will be.
*will **hedge ***I can see this
Damn IE/computer/whatever’s-causing-repeated-glitches-when-I-type!!!
@Nikki
“I can this having no end. At least, until Jae finally wises up. God knows when that will be.”
I think we’re going to just have to take matters into our own hands, go to his house some moonless night and steal all of the unicorns out of his stable… And if there’s still room in the van, grab all of those fluffy bunnies too.
@lilibaiyu bwahahaha!! Oh my god, that unicorn and bunny intervention sounds so plausible for our Jae, I’m half amused and half…*facepalm*
Dear JYJ3: I am a dbskot5 fan, but I stick to the rules of JYJ3. I thank you very much for translating and sharing JYJ interviews completely, since I read also TVXQ (Homin) sites that do not translate or edit those parts in the few times TVXQ has spoken about Jaechunsu. I appreciate you share the full content of JYJ’s thoughts. Thank you very much, from the bottom of my heart.
That is good to hear. We are not bias (well we are for JYJ at least). But JYJ3 and JYJ fans here don’t like to turn a head onto a topic that is sensitive. We NEED to know all the details instead of ignoring the bad and only nodding to the good things.
I’m glad OT5 fans can come here and feel we are not just biased JYJ stans.
that show how much homin fans hate jyj !!!!
JYJ fans want to know every thing even if things to bad about our boys we will never ignoring them or any thing they are talking about !!!!
You’re very welcome here.
It’s extremely seldom we meet with sane ot5.
Thanks for dropping by.
Hello and welcome. ^^
As I’ve said before, I’ve learned to never say never. Fate is the only one that knows what will ultimately happen. I’ve seen some very unbelieveable things occur in my lifetime. Some that made my mouth drop open because the likelihood, in my mind, was “no way!”. But happen they did.
So, what will happen, will happen. But Jae, dear one, let HoMin be the ones who ask first, ok? It’s their turn now. If they don’t have the intestinal fortitude to do it now, let some time and distance come between you all, and see what shakes out. My take, if you let it happen this way, it will make them grow-up faster. Goodness knows they need this more than anything.
“My take, if you let it happen this way, it will make them grow-up faster. Goodness knows they need this more than anything.”
My God, don’t they just?????
PS: Mum nearly choked with laughter at your comment to the Pinay troll that she can suck an egg up her rear!!!!! 😉
Sapphie, I’m glad she got a chuckle. I decided to ‘clean’ it up a bit, if you get my drift.
reading articles like these always breaks my heart….just makes me pour out all my heart to the boys….they’ve gone thru a lot….all they just want to is to mend the relationship with each other….i know that the friendship is not going to be the same as the last time, but at least give the boys the time to explain themselves and mend their friendship…..though i know that it will probably be impossible for the five to sit down together and mend their friendship, i just hope that time will tell and help the boys…im sure this is something that is troubling the boys’ hearts and they need to mend this or closure to this so they can move one…..its really hard to sit here and read articles like these….i hope the boys will move on and in hopes that one day a chance of them meeting the other two will finally come….their hearts have been hurt enough and don’t need to be hurt anymore….just want to give the boys a big hug and tell them that everything is going to be okay and just remember that i will always be supporting them thru thick and thin..
JYJ, please stop mentioning them other two… That is my wish… I don’t feel any love left for the two left and would appreciate it if I don’t get to hear their names on this site.. With all the shit they said about JYJ, it bothers me how JYJ are so kind to say nothing but kind things about them two.
even though you may not have any love left for the two… you cant possibly be so selfish to wish jyj to not think or talk about the one they truly love and appreciates… they may hurt not meeting the two… but for me… i think it’s because of the love for the two that jyj is strong in facing all their hardships… coz they truly hope that the five of them would come together again one day… i hope you would respect jyj’s heart and decision…
I’m genuinely worried.
This situation is too dangerous. Once again JaeJoong just open his heart to the public, i’m afraid someone use this to hurt him and Yoochun and Junsu. He is so honest, but the world isn’t kind to honesty. It pissed me off how they had to expose themselves in order to reach those certain people. Why it has to be always JYJ?
I’m just hopping for the best, and that is JYJ not getting hurt by any of this.
OMG wait!!!!! Does this mean the whole fan accounts and breaking-news-i-swear-its-true of jj meeting up with yh/homin is NOT TRUE???? SHOCKING!!!! And here I thought there were “witnesses”
Oh and hi chunnie! You man of a few words. I like how pragmatic he is.
lol.
LOL, rumors love to travel at a fast speed, especially if it happens to prove the uncertainty and the insecurity of their hearts….
love the comment
ROFL.. okay if i could hand an award for most awesome comment.. i’ll give it to you!
they’re obviously seeing things
ROFL
like u’re comment
Lol A
I love how chun is too, saves us the heartache.
SO TRUE!
Ah, poor souls… where are their evidences now? They even said there´re witness!!
*sigh* They should find help… and soon! where to find a good psychologist when is needed?
Ah Yoochun! I love how he deals with the problems.. *cheers*
Hahaha…almost choke sweety..almost choke!!
Im sorry, but please stop talkin and bringing them up.. You two Su.. be more like yoochun and move the hell on..
Oh hey guys, wanna read all the ‘heart-warming’ comments and all the fluffy crying fest happening in allkpop?
/notesarcasm
¡NO, I DON’T WANT TO DO SO!! 😦
They are amusing.
But desperate lol
heck no, I’m purposely avoiding that cry cry and “omg aktf!!!11” spam a thon.
@All,
But it makes your heart wrinkle and makes you do a fist pumping action with all the agyeo going on in there…. /notesarcasm
LOL…u r so brave dear one.. 😀
wae, I’m a troll in this article -_- can’t be lovey dovey with them gals…
sometimes i wish my best friends also can speak about their real feeling each other, they are still speak n play together but the one thing that makes me regret is even though they do that but sometimes it’s not what they’re thinking about, maybe because we are has became friends since around 9 or 10 ago so we choose to not speak something that can hurt other feeling but then there are a day that they have some problem that which makes them not speak for around 1 week or so, i’m not with them that day so i must collect the information through their each story….and yeah actually it just something that simple but also complicated…..each of them has a different principle and a view about something…….i know everyone have different principle or view about everything but i wish that they can be more honest so they can understand what actually in their minds each other …..that’s why i bring them to 1 place to talking about this freely (i thought that time they can say what they want to say to each other ) but in the end they are still keep silent about their matter and try avoid to resolve it…so till now if we meet each other they are still keep their opinion in their minds and only speak it with me….(sigh)
.sorry i rant about something that unrelated to our boys matter but i hope that they can speak from heart to heart each other n try to resolve the misunderstand things before it’s became more complicated than this day (like what happen to my best friends)….at least let them speak what in their own mind freely so after that all of them can move on with their own path….
My sweet baby @Miaw………. 🙂
🙂
hi @shuheilove
I hope Changmin and Yunho reads this interview. I hope they finally reach out to them. My heart hurts for JYJ. More for Jaejoong for some reason. Maybe it’s because Jaejoong is always so open about it. How much longer will JYJ have to wait until HoMin actually contact them? I hope not a long time.
As i’ve said before, i’ve only been a fan of tvxq5 and jyj for the past three months and when I was able to watch all about tvxq and see their guest appearances, i don’t think you can fake such kind of actions if these guys were not really friends. I will not throw anything against Homin as am sure they are hurting as well. My two cents worth of the whole thing. SM’s mistreatment happened to Shinwa and to HOT. Shinwa was able to leave as a whole, with HOT, i’ve read somewhere that only two of their guys were offered renewal in contract while the other three were dumped. SM however made it look like to the other two that the other three formed a group that didn’t include them. It was only later that the other two found out what really happened. This sounds achingly familiar with what’s happening to tvxq. It would seem that the whole five wanted out of SM but this did not materialize. Of course SM would not allow this to happen. It happened with Shinwa, they won’t allow it with TVXQ since they are making loads of money with TVXQ. If I am SM, I would be ready to fight. They fought and are still fighting, dirtily I might add. BLACKMAIL. I believe they had something on Homin that made it difficult for them to leave. Something big that they can’t defy SM’s orders. Or perhaps, SM made it look that the three JYJ never wanted the two with their new group. If Homin believes this, then am sure they are hurting as well. Most of you guys are fans for too long and am sure you can easily read how our boys would react to given situations. Yunho strikes me as a logical person, most of the time it’s changmin, junsu and JJ who are a bit emotional. I love Yuchun’s detachment over things. I am still hoping that there is a deeper reason on why these are happening. For all you know, not contacting JYJ is Homin’s way of protecting JYJ (this is just my opinion). They know SM’s power to play dirty, we’ve seen it in the Jeju event, and now with KBS album promotion. Again, this is just my personal opinion, but I believe that Homin is also uncomfortable using the name TVXQ with just the two of them but cannot go against SM’s orders. If fans are hurting, what more of TVXQ. They have experienced the hardships together. These five are brothers in the truest sense of the word. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT JYJ LOVES HOMIN AND HOMIN LOVES JYJ. They maybe hurting now but i doubt that all love has left. I am firmly on JYJ’s side against SM and I am giving Homin the benefit of the doubt in this whole chaos.
Yes exactly that is EXACTLY why Changmin said “Junsu is not human” and that “JYJ are geese”
That is exactly why they are singing all their old songs to rub salt on the wounds of their old fans.
That is why they agreed to starting Cassiopeia and bigeast again
And why they can call their past friends ‘greedy’ or ‘misguided’ without blinking a single eyelash on national TV
And that is the kind of people who’s going to accept a reunion, even if only to talk? I don’t think so…… 2TVXQ are not the same men they used to be in the past; they’ve grow older and bitter………
Totally agree with you, Shuheilove..
They’re not the same men that we used to know..
@shuheilove
wow your immature. Bitter & older? ummmm you must know them personally and talk to them on a daily basis to say such things, correct? lol
I think fans like you would just disappoint JYJ.
@AJ
However it is worded no one can deny that Homin have changed A LOT since their DBSK days. Now it is up to individual fans judgement……….is this the ‘real’ them or was that the ‘real’ them?
AJ
I think fans like you do not worth a penny. I think you look more like an anti. If you dare to do such an meaningless comment, attacking only on a person but without any basis, you definitely do not know nothing about the further relations between JYJ and HoMin. Yes, you are an HoMin fan trying to look as a person you are not. Better go back home and spread your venom somewhere else.
HM love JYJ with very special way, hmmm….
Girl, conspiracy Theories abound here.
I am not giving excuses to homin. There’s too many opportunities for communication now than there were for H.O.T. Too many mutual friends, and too many ways to pass messages to each other. SM can’t keep them from information like they did with Kangta and Hee Jun. This situation is very different overall and on top of that, they’re grown men. If they can’t put two and two together, that’s their issue.
I believe sm has probably told Yunho & Changmin a whole lot of lies about Jae, Chunnie & Su. Interfering in other people’s relationships is just wrong, even when it’s done with the best of intentions. When it’s done to deliberately cause pain, mistrust & to break a relationship up, then it’s downright evil. But here’s the thing – neither Yunho or Changmin are blind, deaf, dumb, or illiterate. Jae in particular has said too many times that he wants to meet with them both for me to believe that they haven’t read, seen, heard or been told this at some point. So…. it seems pretty obvious that Yunho & Changmin DON’T want to meet with them.
what you mention is what happening between the member of Fly To The Sky. I remember in one interview, Brian mention on how he have a big argument with his partner because of lies and rumors floating around them.
I remember that incident. It’s so eerily similar. Maybe in a sense SME have already seen the ‘rebellious’ nature of JYJ that they remain cautious of their actions. It seems like they took a chance with Homin, seeing they are in doubt.
Their first big arguments were b/c of SME playing favorites.
The ones you’re talking about were the more recent ones that probably happened around 2008-early 2009.
The difference (that makes the “homin didn’t mean it! they’ve been lied to!11” excuse fall apart) is that Brian and Hwanhee didn’t just let things fall apart; they got together ,sat down, and TALKED IT OVER in which they cleared up misunderstandings and ironed things out. That is why they are still so friggin close to this day. They chose to trust each other over anyone else. That shows how strong their bond is, How much they trust each other, and imo, shows the weaknesses in certain bonds between members of DBSK5.
@Dee @bmw81187 My take on this, SME have affiliates that put poison into words. Just like a fire stone, adding nonsense to conversation, inflicting arguments and misunderstanding. What kind of company is that?
@9mmleftshinki
I agree with you about sm. But that doesn’t change the fact that it’s Homin’s choice to believe what sm & their affiliates say, or that it’s their responsibility to find out the truth of the matter, rather than sitting back & letting “outsiders” dictate their actions. If you’d been that close with someone for that long, & then a third party who you know doesn’t necessarily have your best interests at heart, comes in & starts whispering poison into your ear, who are you going to trust? No matter how hurt, angry & confused you are, if you care about the relationship & the other person, wouldn’t you do everything you could to try & find out the truth? This isn’t an attack on you btw Cheeky. I don’t think sm is guiltless by any degree, but neither do I think Homin get a free pass on this issue.
exactly…then add to the mix pride, which i believe overpowers yunho and changmin, then you get this type of situation where they refuse to speak or give an opportunity.
I dont know, @teya brought up an intresting point imo, although it seemed to be going a bit too much into conspiracy theory territory… but, I always keep Yoochuns lyrics in mind, because he said some very important and vital facts in his “untitled song pt1” ,to me, Yoochun implies that sm talked about dbsk members behind their backs and also talked crap about one member to another member etc. He implied that sm called in a specific member and only spoke to him, which i imagine,caused an awkward situation. he also says something along the lines of, “my seniors were right when they said he only wants the people that will make money for them”, or something like that. Basically what I got from that lyric is that sm, despite all their smtown family bullshit, functions as a company, and like any company, sm wants their employees to be loyal to the COMPANY, NOT to each other. Its fucked up but it makes sense, if you place 5 guys to live, grow-up, succeed and suffer together for years, of course they will build a bond, and of course they will grow loyal to each other. But thats not good for the business is it, especially when it doesn’t function fairly, b/c then things like Shinhwa happen, where they all left together.
Overall, to me, the talk of a possible lawsuit etc, had been in talks for a while, you just dont walk away from a career you basically spent all your youth building without a strong motive, especially them being korean, i take it they as a society put up with more shit from their superiors and keep on moving forward and take it b/c it is something that is taught, (of course it varies from person to person but that is why you get actors/actresses fainting all the time due to exhaustion etc, it is good to be diligent). Anyways, im going to stop here bc I kind of went off topic here lol, but to me, the lawsuit talk did not suddenly begin in 2009, i would say as early as 2008, and I would believe it if someone told me sm played some dirty tricks along the way.
i think i share the same idea. 8 or 9 years together is not a short time, and breaking of relationship always have effect on both side.
Specious argument to me, how would them protect them by no contact? They have no contact now, did it stop SM? We live in the information age, how exactly are those two different from most of Korea that they don’t get news at all? They also have mutual friends and colleagues in the industry.
I’m not going to speculate what they really think here, I just see what they have been doing.
@teya Welcome to JYJ3!
I’m going to be gentle, because you’ve said you are a new fan. My friend it feels like you are trying to “educate” us and yet it seems you may not have had the time as yet to research of the FACTS of the split and the lawsuit. Watching videos of About DBSK, will not provide you more than “feel good” moments about their past. .
One of the most disturbing aspects of this whole situation is the fandoms willingness to make excuses for HOMIN’s attitude and behavior towards JYJ, and your post is laced with them. And truly I mean no disrespect to you.
Excuse “…..SME had something on Homin that made it difficult for them to leave. Something big that they can’t defy SM’s orders.”
What could SME have had on the two? After the split HOMIN insinuated that they had moral integrity while the three were morally corrupt. You don’t open a can of worms like that if you’ve got something to hide. The excuse that HOMIN wants to leave SME but SME has blocked them and the poor things are victims of SME and somehow being held against their wills is foolishness. They CHOSE TO STAY from the beginning and continue to stay now by their own choice, cut and dry. SME dangled the carrot of first lead in front of them and the took the bait.
Excuse “Or perhaps, SM made it look that the three JYJ never wanted the two with their new group . If Homin believes this, then am sure they are hurting as well.” Say What??
Wow this is a new one and this really reveals that you may not be aware of all the details of the conflict. JYJ made it abundantly clear after the split that this was not the case, the plan was for all 5 to leave together. Simple analogy – We’re married we decide to move from the home we’ve lived in for the past 7 years to another state to create a better future for ourselves. The day of the move you decide you won’t come with me, you want to stay behind. Although I am distraught I decide to move without you as painful as it maybe. After I leave though I try calling you; texting you and even write and sing songs telling you how much I love you and miss you. I risk facing public ridicule to try to reach out to you. This was the behavior of JYJ after the split. Now how could HOMIN ever have believed that JYJ did not want them in their new group? More like HOMIN did not want to continue the relationship with JYJ.
Excuse : “For all you know, not contacting JYJ is Homin’s way of protecting JYJ (this is just my opinion).” HOMIN protecting JYJ? How to respond to this? Again another excuse for HOMINs choice. Elevating them to the guardians of the wayward children. Please. JYJ does not need it, they’ve shown us they have a deep, deep inner strength of their very own. They don’t need HOMIN to protect them. HOMIN is the one by your own reasoning that appear to be in need of protection as it seems they are so oppressed and fearful of the wrath of SME that they have to stay put.
And finally after presenting excuses why HOMIN can’t leave SME or contact JYJ, we get HOMIN loves JYJ. Real Love risks all for the one that is loved. Example Jae again reaching out publically to HOMIN and risking being ridiculed and misunderstood. So unlike you I can’t give HOMIN the benefit of the doubt… HOMIN has given me no reason to do so.
Peace .
@AfriendofJYJ
@Teya
“For all you know, not contacting JYJ is Homin’s way of protecting JYJ (this is just my opinion).” ”
I also believe that Teya needs to do a bit more homework regarding the facts of JYJ’s difficult journey before sharing her conclusions here.
Teya, many of our ladies and gentlemen here have been here for a very long while, and among us we know many more of the supporting facts, the timeline and situations that happened than you have apparently been able to discover so far. For me, especially, when you said “For all we know…” which I’ve referenced above, it seemed that you were perhaps confusing our understanding of the facts of the matter with your own, equating them so to speak. This would be a big mistake, and one to which many of us might take offense.
We do not take kindly to phrases now such as “We don’t really know anything…” and “For all we know…” because we here at JYJ3 and JYJFiles have taken the time and energy over many many months of diligent researching to educate ourselves on the points of the lawsuit, the boys’ state of minds, their thoughts, statements all parties have made, etc. etc. We DO in fact know all manner of things, we are not in the dark anymore about what is going on. If you perhaps still feel that you are, that’s OK, just stick around and read, read, read the back pages of this blog and JYJFiles. You will soon understand a great deal more than you do now. Thanks.
@AfriendofJYJ *clap clap* Brilliantly put and wholly logical.
i’m a JYJ fan (slightly OT5). this article is very heartbreaking.
they have strong bond for many years and i know it’s hard for them to cross their own path till now. JJ was too genuine for expressing his thought. in fact, i’m afraid if JYJ get bash from homin stans (again), actually.
I don’t believe it’s SM that’s preventing HoMin from contacting the boys. I might be criticized for what I’m about to say but to hell with that…Has Jaejoong ever thought that the two don’t want to meet? He’s a kind soul and he misses them so of course that he wants to meet them ….but what if HoMin doesn’t want that? Maybe the two have completely moved on and JJ bringing up such topics is uncomfortable for them too…For the first time in very long time I think that JJ shouldn’t be saying whatever he wants because it’s problematic for the other side too.
I disagree with your comment.
If Homin truly want to move on and feel uncomfortable with JJ calling out to them ALL they have to do is meet with JJ and let it be clear to him!
(even though it is going to break my Baby’s heart TT___TT)
I think Homin KNOW they have done many bad things to JJ and don’t want to meet him because they are ashamed…….and want to protect their pride
I agree that the best way to move on is to talk about some issues, so in that aspect, I think they should meet. I don’t care for OT5 but whatever JYJ boys want I hope they get 🙂 But I’m a little disappointed that JJ brings those issues up not because he’s giving hope to the fans but because it’s not really fair to HoMin. (I’m not a HoMin fan, honestly) He’s saying “we want to meet them but they don’t want to contact us”, it’s like he’s making them look bad. Maybe the two just don’t want to meet, is that such a crime?
Then I come back to my initial point that no one can blame JJ for doing so because it is up to Homin to make it CLEAR as to what they want.
Do you think that JJ would try to contact them again if they met him and shut him off personally?
I think JJ thinks this issue might have something to do with miscommunication and wishes to just get whatever he is holding in his heart out so that their are no more misunderstandings on his side. It is up to Homin then what actions they take….
At least JJ will have no regrets because he tried his best.
@pheonixia
“Do you think that JJ would try to contact them again if they met him and shut him off personally?” He wouldn’t, and so I wish they’d actually meet and clear this situation. I agree with you again that it’s up to HoMin now. My initial problem with JJ talking about this was that we only know his side of this story and rely on his words without the account from the other two. But if the two don’t want to talk, it’s their fault and their problem, I guess. I think I feel better now that I talked this out with you, thanks 🙂
@@pheonixia
“Do you think that JJ would try to contact them again if they met him and shut him off personally?” He wouldn’t, and so I wish they’d actually meet and clear this situation. I agree with you again that it’s up to HoMin now.”
It’s been my experience that there’s a large segment of the Male population (in every culture) who just do NOT like emotional confrontation. They do NOT “want to talk.” They literally flee from these painful emotional scenes –they would rather die than be seen as “weak”, emotional, tearful, etc etc. Perhaps Homin fits into this group of Males.
Maybe the last thing either of them want is to have to face and possibly break down in front of a highly emotional Jaejoong in person. This, btw, is the kindest possible explanation I have been able to come up with for why they remain silent.
@pheonixia
“I think Homin KNOW they have done many bad things to JJ and don’t want to meet him because they are ashamed…….and want to protect their pride”
I happen to agree with you.
Excuse me? I’m little lost here. “they have done many bad things to”, what are those bad things? ^^
for a short summary of the negative things HM has said/done to JYJ, see this recent comment:
http://jyj3.net/2011/10/03/news-jyj-have-no-contact-with-2vxq-jaejoong-wishes-to-meet-to-talk/#comment-304763
Poke around this website a bit, and hop over to thejyjfiles.wordpress.com and poke around there also, and you’ll find tons of information that will hopefully help you to understand why many of us here on JYJ3 either actively dislike HoMin (one end of teh spectrum) to being indifferent to HoMin (middle of the spectrum). Of course still more of us are supporters of HoMin who simply leave that type of spazzing at the door when they drop in to JYJ3. We welcome all fans of JYJ here, BUT everyone must obey the house rules, and that excludes HoMin spazzing etc. (And please don’t get us started on YJ, just don’t don’t don’t bring it up at all. we are VERY anti YJ).
@Springbok7
Darn it, girlfriend, I gotta copy that post of yours and save it. I can NOT start from scratch writing this stuff to newbies any more. That was a perfect summary of where to start if you get here knowing nada.
🙂
i wonder…how many years does it take for the other gods to just simply type a text or two to them? And dont bring the SME control their movements-phones-toilet break-crap to me because it doesn’t make any sense.
In another note, I actually wish they didnt put into words such delicate feeling. As much as I understand their pain I do believe their “golden silent” & “show through action” they been doing for the past two years are the most efficient way but I guess they just normal human after all.
🙂
I know…..
And even though their phone numbers change constantly because of annoying fans and the ‘company’
they still have email =____= tbh
they can used the conventional way too! SOS! Smokes! or just freaking shout something! owh wait… SME guard from hell will jump on them =_= seriously…..
The thing is very simple, HoMin do not want to talk or to contact JYJ in any way. End of the story.
your comment makes me laugh =)) imagine our boys doing all that on the streed in front of SM building “SOS! Smokes! or just freaking shout something” =)) if any SME guard dare to…fans will do their job, so dont worry hehe
@Ngoc Ha They will do the smoke signals while doing the sexy rolling down window dance
@9mmleft
THIS! ” i wonder…how many years does it take for the other gods to just simply type a text or two to them? And dont bring the SME control their movements-phones-toilet break-crap to me because it doesn’t make any sense.”
BRAVO! I sooo agree. It makes absolutely no sense. Actions speak louder than words. In the case of HOMIN, their “hostile” words and their failure to take even the smallest action to reach out in anyway to JYJ says it all. There’s just no excuse, it makes absolutely no sense.
@9mm
@AFriendofJYJ
“BRAVO! I sooo agree. It makes absolutely no sense. Actions speak louder than words. In the case of HOMIN, their “hostile” words and their failure to take even the smallest action to reach out in anyway to JYJ says it all. There’s just no excuse, it makes absolutely no sense.”
Yep. I have to agree. That’s my gut feeling about it too. No damn sense at all.
Still think that those “two” don’t deserve to get such kind of beautiful friendship from those three gorgeous men.
Seeing the previous years, I think changmin’s like tooooooooo.. eerrrrmm..harsh for his hyungs..
I really really hate it when he say or do violence to Jae or Junsu.. (F**K, hate it so much)
And all the analogy of “a few of geese” when he bashed Junsu a year ago.. Damn, I couldn’t forget about it..
Being a DB5K, I’m sure they’ll make a gorgeous song, but hey..JYJ can stand up alone without those two, not vice versa..
Because JYJ is mooooooreee talented than them.. (no offense, just opinion)..
In the name of friendship, Just take this good opportunity, yunho and Changmin.. Be smart and kind hearted for a while..
And I swear.. If both of you break my JYJ’s heart once more, or even bashed them again.. YOU’LL BE DEAD MEAT!!!!
Wow…. Wonder what JYJ would think of this
@AJ
I think they know how much we love them & how protective we are of them. They may not agree with a lot of the fans criticizing the two, but I’m also sure they’d accept & respect our rights to our individual feelings & opinions.
a person dont have to love the friends of their friends.. because everyone is entitled to decide for themselves who to love and who not to love..
If JYJ likes Homin.. for sure they are respectful of the fact that their fans are entitled to decide for themselves if they’ll agree or not.. JYJ are free to feel what they want and fans are free to protect JYJ from the “friends” who have been quiet for some years already,,
Exactly what I was trying to say.
I am so proud of you JJ, for letting your heart lead the way, and not letting the heartbreaks hold you back from showing your love, whatever the outcome. Your willingness to be vulnerable is incredible. In the long run, I believe this kind of courage and wisdom will lead you to true peace, no matter what others do or don’t do: you sure are doing the best you know how to do in some of the most challenging situations, and I treasure you.
That being said, this interview is f*cking me up inside in all kinds of ways that I can’t begin to even describe or explain. It’s all right though. I am sorry you are going through all this Jae. I do, however, really honor and value how vulnerable you are willing to be. The world needs it. Thank you……
(Goes off to a corner to sob uncontrollably……..)
@Emma Lin
*hugs you*
I know, it’s admirable that Jaejoong is willing to be so vulnerable, to show his love so publically, to not hide his emotions – THIS to me, is what a REAL MAN is.
I just wish the other two would stop using the silent treatment to stomp all over him, Su & Chunnie again.
This is what a real man is to me too!
@Sapphire
Thank you my dear. I hug you back.
Fan-wars = overly retarded arguments, pointless & stupid
*sigh* i hate when some of the fans are arguing when TVXQ5 them self aren’t arguing. It’s pointless and so immature. But whatever.
On a side note, I really wish JYJ & HoMin can see each other again 🙂
where have you been? The boys obviously have arguments which bring the split. Friends fights all the time and its abnormal if they dont fight at all. I’m seriously annoyed because you said fanwars as immature yet you yourself have a very immature way of viewing this whole fiasco.
*sigh* I mean like how the fans are bashing each other. Do you think JYJ or HoMin would of wanted fans arguing like they do? Fan-wars are immature because this is not our problem it’s theirs so why argue about who’s right or wrong?
Fanwars are immature, yes but your justification still it does not anwering your view that says Homin and JYJ does not have arguments, which is what i refer to as immature.
@9mmleftshinki
I’m soooooo going to be immature here: Go Shinki! Go Shinki! Go Shinki!
Ahem…. sorry, couldn’t help myself! 😉
@AJ
Hello???? What do you think Jae & Chunnie mean when they say they haven’t had any contact with the other two???? >.> Deliberately ignoring someone who continually reaches out to you is a form of fighting, even if it’s just passive resistance.
How would they argue when they won’t even meet?
the arguments clearly happen before the split, before the decision to file the lawsuit
@AJ,
I think frustration is a better word for it. I don’t happen to see anyone here arguing against each other (except for the trolls). But you can sense frustrations happening. It’s due to the fact that Jaejoong have been reaching out more than plenty of times to Homin and yet they show no sign of ever wanting to be in contact again. That’s the frustration and why people are more vocal on this matter.
And in any relationship (with anybody) no matter how short or long, there will always be arguments. fan-wars is unfortunately a daily routine in the world of kpop. Opinions differ, but with arguments (or plainly a general discussion), it would help open up new perspective.
@AJ
“*sigh* i hate when some of the fans are arguing when TVXQ5 them self aren’t arguing. It’s pointless and so immature.”
you make me LOL… please kindly analyze the situation… how could it be possible for the 5 member to have an argument when they’re not even seeing each other? We all know that there’s something going on… but due to lack of open communication, I don’t know whose fault is that, anyone can deduce on their own opinion-either HM are not allowed to talk by SM or they just don’t want to talk or maybe in my farthest imagination(can’t even picture this out) JYJ doesn’t want to talk to HM?
FYI… open communication & healthy arguments are not bad nor it is pointless and immature… that is how mature ppl do to derive a better understanding of the situation and ones opinion.
unless you can’t grasp the situation and just say what’s in your mind without even analyzing the situation. that is what I call pointless & immature. and to end it up with whatever…
THANKS FOR TRANSLATING!!!!!
HoMin is too coward!! I hope jae could stop mentioning HoMin! I mean why you need to say a nice thing when the other side doesn’t want to try to do something and always said negative things!! Eventhough I value their friendship, 2 years are too long for them to waiting
I predict a massive amount of OT5ers and YJ shippers going wild after this, and not for a good reason XD
TROLL ALERT WARNING This person called @AJ only wants to bring chaos to this place. Read carefully all her comments and be very careful, she only wants to laugh on our comments.
sm is the MAFIA
but Mafia swore on the pack and they protect each other. SME ate/beat their own children, especially the disobedient child that refuse to listen and need space and chances to be heard and make choices. I cant even compare SME to animals, because animals love and dotes on their child
this might be evil for me to say but i want homin to reject jyj in a harshest way so jj will never try to contract again..for his own good i mean..i love jaejoong but he is only going to get hurt if he keep this up…
@lambo
“this might be evil for me to say but i want homin to reject jyj in a harshest way so jj will never try to contract again..”
I understand where you’re coming from. “Take the dose of awful tasting medicine and get better,” right? But here’s the thing: I think Jae has an angel heart. I think he will never stop trying to get in touch with his brothers. No matter what they do, I think he himself feels so blessed now, so fortunate in so many ways that the guilt he feels compels him to reach out and somehow reconcile with them. They of course appear to want no part of any such thing. And so we go round and round in this heartbreaking scenario.
i guess you are right..but i hope, eventually he’ll get tired of it and give up, if he is the only one reaching out…cause it make me feel kind of bitter to hear his failed attempts…i mean it make me mad and its kind of sad overall..
I actually have the same thoughts as you for a while now. i want either party to reject and bring down the curtain for this ongoing mute battle. Originally it had been JYJ vs SME but now it clearly escalate to Homin Vs JYJ too. Its inevitable.I have to admit I am selfish for saying that but this continuous streak of running in circle feel endless 😦
Its is painful for us but it must have been harder for them (both sides).
I think that everyone has the right to say what he or she feels towards something that personally affects them..
Jaejoong as everyone knows is really too kind hearted and somehow I wonder how he has been able to go through this cruel ‘type of job’ where they deprive you of being yourself.
His heart tells him that he wants to meet the two others and as much as I was one of the firm believer that Always Keep the Faith meant for the 5 of them (somewhere in my heart there should still be a tiny part that keeps this).. I just hope that Jaejoong won’t get hurt again..
p.s : I don’t even want to think abt how the 2 others feels abt this situation >,<
They want to meet with homin and the one thing it proves to me is that they value friendship so much and im very sure jae realises that him wanting to meet homin is not possible just yet due to a number of reasons.
Im a OT5 fan but I would never ask for JYJ to go back to that dreaded company…i truly hope they maybe one day can be friends though because I think that our lovely boys ask for only that much and nothing really more.
Jae! Please stop! You just open your self to receive attacks from YJ and OT5 shipper and the end it will only hurt you and your brothers! JYJ doing enough, in the past 2 years they have been tried anything they could to contacting Homin, but on contrast Homin never did anything and ignored JYJ. If homin still insist to avoiding JYJ, then JYJ (esp JJ) have to move on and accept it. I’m sorry my boys, but that’s the only way you could protect your self from fan wars and attacks , STOP mentioning Homin. Even I wish the friendship someday will be back, but I don’t want too JYJ as a dead meat of wars!
I wonder what homin gonna say
are they gonna bash jyj like before
jj you should be strong bb be strong
Hey guys did you forget what JYJ said in the other interview? That they used to get hurt over the smallest things but that they are not like that anymore? They are stronger and wiser now. I trust JJ, and I would like to think that he knew the kind of reaction this would elicit from his fans/antis yet he still said it. That’s quite gutsy actually and he knows he is applying pressure where it really hurts… to get the right kind of reactions from those concerned.
Let’s all trust in JJ, this boy knows what he is doing.
Ok let me put a smiley face here so that this won’t appear hostile 😀
I agree. Sometimes i feel fans give Jae way too little credit. He is stronger than he looks, and it actually takes a lot of inner strength to lay bare his feelings to the public. After what he, Chun and Su have gone through, i’m sure they can weather whatever storms that lie ahead.
I agree. He’s been through a lot of shit in life and gotten through it too….
@Jan
I so agree with you. JJ is incredibly resilient, and I actually believe what he’s doing right now is amazing. He’s modeling kindness and compassion, for the whole world to see. Something truly precious, and the best part is that it’s coming straight from his heart. It’s sincere, and it’s authentic.
And I believe that sometimes we do things not for what we expect to receive in return, but because that’s who we are and what we choose. Not about right or wrong, since I believe there’s room for more than black and white, but I certainly feel like what’s coming out of JJ is something so healing, even if it doesn’t “work” right away.
He’s a wonderful human being with a great capacity for vulnerability and therefore emotional resilience and strength. These aren’t qualities that the patriarchal system values, so he may not be getting the credit that’s due him, but I believe life and love will honor him, because he’s moving from a very deep place inside himself, and showing qualities few in his position are capable of.
I AM SO DAMN PROUD OF HIM.
Yeah, JJ really has “more than meets the eye” for lack of a better quote for that 😀
oh jae,
WHY do you have such a VERY BIG HEART??!!!
jaejoong~! I love you so much. I’m glad he’s expressing his feelings so well. Why do people not accept the way he feels? My old heart is jumping back again.. that one hope that jaejoong explained at the end.. after party.. omg. my heart won’t stop jumping.
Someone on twitter posted this and I thought it was spot on.
@jejeliebling Breakdown of What KJJ Might mea (an interesting interpretation from an anon. fan)
With the constant plead for contacts, I truly believe that they lost contacts. If they at least get a chance to talk. JJ wouldn’t have to keep mentioning it and hoping to contact them and at least have a chance to talk. I think he truly can’t contact them in private that he has to resort to doing it in public. Hoping that they can catch a glimpse of it and try to contact him. So I think… He won’t stop until he get a chance to talk to them. I understand his reason. He took his role as an older brother very seriously and he is the most responsible one. So I guess he feel responsible.
Also, JJ wanted to move on in wholesome. To him, this is unfinished business. He has to have a talk with HM, to clear up misunderstandings. He himself said that he believed that there are misunderstandings that he wanted to solve. But he can’t contact him. To him, he doesn’t want the same thing like PYH to happened. You know the lost of PYH really got him to appreciate those that are around him , remembered he kind of didn’t get to talk to PYH. So it’s full of regret for him. So this is why he try his hardest to contact HM. Of course won’t think of something like that, but to him, anything can happen because of that one incident with PYH.
And he really reiterated the same shit as other interviews regarding HM and TVXQ anyway. What make this one time so different? Is it because of the build up? Is it frustrating you? Well, if you as a fan feel frustrated, then think about him. He’s the one in the game, he’s probably more frustrated than you. He wanted resolves, but the other side is not even caring. Yes, KJJ has a high toleration for shit like this. But believe me, every human has a limit, his is just very damn long. JJ sister once said that JJ will endure 3 times. But, His 1 times = 10 times of others. But once it hit. It’ll hit hard and you’ll never have another chance.
In short. This to him is unfinished business, he wanted a chance to talk so he can resolve it so he can move on WHOLESOME. He don’t want bits and pieces to be left behind.
This is so true!..This is so true!!
“JJ sister once said that JJ will endure 3 times. But, His 1 times = 10 times of others. But once it hit. It’ll hit hard and you’ll never have another chance.” –> Now I remember this, how can I forget!!
Yes, it’s UNFINISHED BUSINESS that’s must be resolved once and for all!! For Better or For Worst!!
@pia, thanks for sharing!
sigh….it’s not the first time, nor will it be the last….that JJ speaks out about his desire to meet with Homin. In essence he will be *leaving the porch light on* for them ….um, pretty much forever, because that’s the kind of guy he is.
For those hoping any such meeting would mean reconcilliation as a group…ain’t gonna happen. (for too many reasons to ennumerate here)
For those who would like JJ to stop mentioning them….also, ain’t gonna happen….he loves them (deeply) and he’s free to speak his mind (at long last).
Junsu and Yoochun, yes…they have taken a *back seat* on commenting….and I find that completely within character for them. I think their restraint is classy~☆…..although I harbor a small desire to see what ANGRY Junsu would look like —-► ಠ_ಠ ㅋㅋㅋ
JJ…..he’s gonna say what he feels ❤ …..today, tomorrow ~ ~ ~ when ever the thought forms in his wonderous-playground-mind.
….I want to say this diplomatically…..(it’s in no way malicious or intended for any single person who posts here)…..but the fact of the matter is “it’s not any of OUR damned business how they meet/or don’t. How or when or IF….they will ever meet amicably again is entirely in their hands.”
….. we are only observers and sure, we’re free to have opinions, but truth is….sometimes in *real life* people who part ways DON’T become friends again. The split with SMe …behind the scenes….was brutal. (you know it was) There may have been things said… at that time …which linger-on in each person’s mind.
I know I’ve said things I wish I could take back….but in most cases, at least… I got the opportunity to apologize or reconcile. Who knows what NEEDS to be said between these 5 guys?….only they do.
JJ is asking for that chance, publicly, once again. If he’s grown-up enough to ask…he’s man enough to take the (non?) answer if it happens again. I’m sending him MAJOR positive ~ ~ ~ommmmmms ~~ ~ ~ (っˆーˆ)っ❤ ☮
@sally_b
“JJ is asking for that chance, publicly, once again. If he’s grown-up enough to ask…he’s man enough to take the (non?) answer if it happens again.”
A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Which doesn’t stop us worrying about him & praying he doesn’t get hurt again. *rueful smile*
@sally_b
I think I like how you think about this one ~ ❤
PS. Yes, I’m waving my hands and sending good vibes to JJ. Hoping that he always has someone to protect his heart. Only wish he could really feel all our heart-felt feeling and warmth we’re sending to surround his heart to keep it safe or pick it back up if it breaks. I hope something/someone/somewhere will always, always, ALWAYS help him feel comforted if he’s down.
PS2. I think that person is right about PYH too.
Yes! I like the way you see it. And I agree!
Jae’s resilience, determination, and emotional strength are kind of staggering. It’s easy to wish he were the kind of guy who would ‘just’ move on, like many of them have outwardly. But when friends are torn away from you like that, it leaves a gaping wound and you spend years wondering about the what-ifs. I can’t blame him for wanting to reach out and put the what-ifs to rest, wanting at least closure if not reconciliation, as long as he has the courage to.
Just, it’s worrying. And I wonder how Junsu and Yoochun feel about him not giving up.
it is common to see old friends meet again. although no longer together, I hope there is no misunderstanding and bitter feelings between them and hope they reconcile …
I just hope the best for JYJ and I will support JYJ to the end
my parents always remind me, do not hate because hate is a disease of the ‘heart’. when our hearts are filled with hate, we do not see the beauty that is owned by others
JYJ also always taught me to love, that is why I highly respect them
I don’t know at all about how different their relationship between the members on/off bussiness..for actually they meet because of tvxq,mean it is bussiness….I don’t know about yunho&changmin situation or their opinion about others, just that everyone said before that yunho was a great 5tvxq leader..he take care about his team-mate more than anything. But all that things are from fan-talkie-wokie..Since I only know tvxq/jyj after sungkyunkwan,I pretty late for understanding both sides..so I prefer on jyj side, of course.. since I’m into JYJ very much, I always though jaejoong, Yoochun and Junsu really care about their friendship more than anything else…you can feel their connection without they have to speak or boasting about it themselves…BUT still if they think they need friends like yunho and changmin (which I don’t really know how close their friendship), it will be al-right….Because I positively thinks that they friendship to others are honest and pure…..JYJ are matured and know what they are doing. Me as fan will only support them at behind,thats all.
HOMIN SHOULD ACT LIKE A MAN Not Like a kids for SM ish
jj stop talk about them they are ignore you so just be happy :((((((((((((
one thing that i now, things may and may not be like what we thought… jaejoong once stated, i cant tell where and when, read too many trans, “there are things that fans may not fully understand* which means, there are things which we thought what were happening may not exactly happened… people from every direction keep on interfering, spreading things… thus rumours may somehow turned into somewhat fake reality… *i dont know if you people understand what i’m saying*
what i want is the best for them, and i believed, all of you too… there are times, when outsiders should just stay silent and watch, because the help that we offer, could possibly turn thing worst then it already is…
for instance like what happened to KARA, Fly To the Sky…. its other people’s word that turned their relationship bad with each others… glad now they are all back together..
maybe for now, fans should just let them be… they are adult…they’ll settle it themselve
“there are things which we thought what were happening may not exactly happened… people from every direction keep on interfering, spreading things… thus rumours may somehow turned into somewhat fake reality”
Yes, there are even times when everyone did nothing wrong but things just went blast. Sadly this reminds me of a real case in life.
*****
My friend loves her boyfriend so much, and the other way round. The boy’s mom wants to send him overseas because it would be better for his son’s education and for the family cos they hold overseas passport and they don’t need to pay much tuition. But the boy like my friend so much that he demands staying here and then takes a few part-time jobs to cover school fee and help the family. But my friend feels so sad when seeing her boyfriend — who is physically quite weak since he is born — gets tired, sick (even hospitalised twice) and upset because of part-time jobs, studies and endless arguing with his mom. She then breaks up with him and lies to him that she doesn’t like him anymore. She cries a river for endless nights. But then the boy’s close friends — who don’t know why the girl can break up with such a nice boy — say and do some really nasty things to my friend. But then my friend forbids us to tell them the truth and swallow all the pains herself.
They all do nothing really “wrong” and their action were due to their love for the other. Yet the outcome is…
*****
Ok, it sounds irrelevant to JYJ and HoMin’s case. All I want to say is that things can have an unsatisfactory outcome even when no one did anything really bad or wrong. And the lawsuit and related things may be 9999999999 times more complicated and involve a lot more people, companies, parties. I guess what JYJ (and HoMin – if you are a fan of them) needs most is support and understanding.
in filipino we have this phrase tht i always rem whn jaesuchun say they wanna talk to the 2, “Pag gusto my paraan, pag ayaw may dahilan…”
meaning, if the 2 really wanna meet there’s always a workaround tht they will find jst to meet, if they dont wanna, there’s always gonna be an excuse.
and tbh, jae though i love u, stop reaching out for now, let those two make the effort now… prang ngmmkaawa kyo e hndi nmn dpat. wg mxado mbait bka kunin k agad ni lord!
FINALLY you’re here!!! I’ve been spamming JYJ3 all day waiting for you twinnie. Btw, @springbok7 & I have another kidnap plan afoot… are you in Count Olaf?! 😉 We’ll be taking them to HAWAII!!! Hula hula… Leia leia… hakuna matata… OK, I know nothing about Hawaii – but it’s WARM!!!!! ^_________________^
It’s always warm… 😉
don’t forget to bring your swimsuits for snorkling and attend a luau… 🙂
Ya, bring swimsuits, hiking gear, and winter clothes. On my island you can snorkel in the morning and hike in snow in the pm, or at least hike in an arid lava-littered desert at 13000 ft 😀
@NingK
“its out in the open”
Exactly. Jae knows what he is doing, he’s no fool. We may think his actions and comments are random…. But look closely.
JYJ is about to enter SPAIN, where there is a fandom dominated by love for both JYJ and TVXQ.
In the past two days JYJ themselves have made two direct references to JYJs past with TVXQ.
One:The trolling of Junsu with the classic “FIGHTING” joke. Long term fans of all 5 know the FIGHTING joke.
Effect: Hmmm JYJs still the same dorky guys we know and remember.
Two: Jae thinking to himself, “Before I go to Spain, I am going to make it clear to the fans that I truly harbor not hatred toward HOMIN.
Effect: Before the media and the fandom in Spain asks the question Jae’s already answered it.
Like I said Kim Jae Joong knows what he is doing.
Agree 100%.
what am intresting way to put it….and honestly JJ is a really complex man ha, more reason for me to like him! ^^
I think of myself as someone who is able to read people well, even celeberties, but honestly, with JJ, I never know. He is very intelligent, I also think he understands people,and he knows how to work the audience,and although I dont think he is lying when he said these things, he could have kept them to himself or said something more vauge, but he was very straightforward,so he is obviously trying to send a clear message.
yoos.. BANZAIIIIIIII for JYJ.. BANZAIIIIIIIII fro JYJ abt the communication this.. always the same reason. 😀
my heart broke reading jae’s comment. back then, i really thought nothing could stop dbsk’s friendship. *sigh*
really want them to be friends again. maybe there’s no way for them to be back as db5k, but i yearn for them to be that inseparable brothers i used to know.
what i know is 2bsk always use they brain,and jyj always use they heart to do something.i believe jaejong just talk what he thinks about(honest).and i believe he love 2bsk and he want share his happinese ande feel sorry for 2bsk effort。but i don’t think that homin feel same。
I hate it when jae have to it again….it hurt to see and know that he won’t get any response from homin. Even the human side of me won’t let my pride to do the thing as jae did. Ahhhh…baby jae…you have a forgiving and loving heart. I have not contacted my causin for more than 10 years not even a call. And bb jae…how u did it..after all what they ‘said’ to jyj. It show…they still close to your heart although far apart.
Yap, it breaks my heart when it is always Jaejoong expresses he wants to meet the other 2 members. I feel for him because he is constantly disappointed when the 2 other members have no response. Just hopes times can heal all wounds.
Jaejoong always dreams about Homin. Is it why he is always so tired? Jaejoong, please sleep well. Don’t dwell on something that is beyond your control.
Actually the interesting fact is…out of the five members…if you notice, Yunho and Changmin have always been the less eloquent type of members, who seldom spoke out their feelings even when hurt. They are the introvert type, when it comes to expressing love or pain.
JaeChunSu have always been the expressive members. Just because a person doesn’t express the pain or other feelings in heart and smile and laugh, does it mean that the person is happy & satisfied & indifferent? I feel among the 5 members JaeChunSu are most expressive members and if Yunho and Changmin have not touched their hearts so deeply, they wouldn’t crave to meet them. If HoMin had hurt them deeply at some point, they wouldn’t still wish to meet HoMin.
I’m sure, even now something is there in JaeChunSu’s heart which makes them miss HoMin more. I know that this is JYJ only site and talking about HoMin is not highly accepted…but still, as now JYJ themselves are speaking about HoMin and as this article is about HoMin…I would like to say to all the friends who have so far criticized HoMin or said that Jaechunsu are naive….that:~ JYJ & HoMin know each other more than any outsiders including SM.
If HoMin is silent, JYJ knows the reason for it and if JYJ miss them so much, it is not just because they value friendship of 9 years, but also because they know HoMin’s heart. That is why Jae is requesting to let them meet HoMin. They are not requesting HoMin to come and meet them…Jae said:~ “Please let me contact them.” So it means, somebody is obstructing Jae from meeting HoMin & we know who it is. Maybe both JYJ & HoMin are not at fault in this. We still don’t know the clear facts of what happened.
So rather than criticizing any of the sides, let’s just try to understand them. Why HoMin is silent may have many reasons, which JYJ also knows. Perhaps it’s SM’s strict restrictions…I’m not going into that matter deeply. But if you trust JYJ, you must also trust their faith. They’re not naive…if they were, they would still have let SM exploit them. They’re intelligent guys, that’s why the understood that they were being exploited & rebelled against the exploitation. So, their actions also have many reasons.
HoMin & JYJ don’t have any personal differences. If they did, then JYJ wouldn’t still wish to contact HoMin. HoMin remaining silent doesn’t mean they are angry towards JYJ. So let’s just trust the 3 of them and their feelings for HoMin, because the 5 of them know each other more than SM or any of the fans who are outsiders to their friendship.
Before making assumptions or conclusions about both sides, it would be better to not use comments to hurt any of the sides or their fans. Because when you comment negatively about JYJ, it would hurt fans of JYJ & the fans of 5 of them…if you hurt HoMin, it would hurt fans of HoMin & the five of them. The pain is only to the fans who will fight with each other for the sake of their dear members. Let us just understand the truth that we can never evade a possibility of HoMin meeting JYJ again.
As long as JYJ wish to meet HoMin, tomorrow the picture may change….you may never know. So let us stop criticizing both sides. Their 9 years of friendship is no joke & let us not continue to lose faith, just because HoMin are silent to media. Let us also try to support our dear members & try to be mature while commenting so that it won’t hurt atleast the fans who read them.^^
Well, different people different opinion. I do respect your opinion.
But question tho. Did you ever do this kind of thing (leave comment like this) in HM biased site?
Yes I do and I feel it is equal on both sides, Cynthia~
@its_simply_me:
Cool. So, how did HM biased react to your comment? And may I know what did you exactly say there? If you don’t mind I would like to have the link for your comment on that site. Thanks in advance.
thanks for having this question. i’m interested to see her reply for the link.
if she doesn’t give it, figures. she’s a fake ot5 then, or homin stan poses as ot5.. ::sigh::
sighhhh people here have feeling and sorry to say, i dont feel dorry for homin. my feeling for them is quite bed if you ask me. and i seriously very hate it when people like you lecture other people about what to feel or not
@its_simply_me
sorry if i say sime think you not like it or feel hurt…i dont mean it just what am feell…i dont think ppls in here, they speach their opinion it mean they not mature..alot in here over 25 and some pass 40 year old..we have our own opinion what we see and what we feel..like me i never hate HM just indefferent,.I dont mind their will rejoy or not, it’s their decition ( if in the future they will be friend again it ‘s nice for them) Their 9 years of friendship is no joke ..you right, and i very respect the friendship like that but what we see now onlly one way and more hurt ..esp affer all interview and all thing bad for JYJ we are right to tell what you feel ..other i rather easy understand HM silent because they need to keep their career then someone say protect JYJ or SM control 24h/day??? HM, they did work very hard for build up their carrer like JYJ for 9 years and they dont want to take any ricky, just nomal..like i dont want to lose my job after years to try vey hard..who want to out who want to stay that their life..but aleast they still respect each other..That what i didn’t not see yet in HM! and for protect JYJ??? what did more bad which verything JYJ went though aready?? or SM control everything ??? sorry even sleep and washroom???….if they are really misunderstood…i like them like the men..take responbility and meet together..even they can puch..or say, or yell….honestly if tomorrow picture change, they will meet or not or not, it doesnt effect me alot because they still YC/JJ/Sj, sorry for my bad english too..!
Sigh.
I understand where you are coming from………I share similar views on the matter, even though I am not so sure if Homin are silent because they are being restricted, but this is not the place where I want to get into it. Lets just say that one of the ways I try to show my love for the boys is to continue to hold space for them and keeping my heart open for any possibilities. I did a lot of work with terminally ill patients as well as assault survivors, so my tolerance and understanding for human nature tend to be slightly different from most. I would say that what’s happened with the boys touches on a very deep, raw nerve of eternal theme of love and betrayal (even though to me they really are just wonderful young men fighting for what they chose to believe in), and most are going to react with judgement as a form of protection for their own corresponding belief system (I am no exception). Right now, the two sides stand for very different values when it comes to self expression, and unfortunately, the two sides (what used to be one amazing brotherhood) are presented as completely different from each other, and we see a lot of black and white thinking surfacing, coupled with intense emotions like anger and fear.
Hell, I think I need to take a deep breath myself. 🙂 It’s been rough, huh?
It’s the magic of the boys that they can inspire such passion, and with that ability they are going to also draw in intense projection. It’s been a very intense ride for me to continue to want to stay connected to both sides when the split is so huge and this much tension in the fandom, so I understand your desire to share what you did and I get what you are trying to convey: it will be wonderful to have more open space where love gets to flow, especially for the boys. God knows. They are facing some very challenging interpersonal issues that very few on the planet are confronted with at this level, and like you I only wish to support them during this process by making room for them to do what they want to (although I believe they are going to be fine anyway).
I just also think it’s really important to leave room for people to be upset in the way they need to be. I remember how upset I am sometimes. I try not to attack any one side when I get angry or scared, and it’s an ongoing lesson for me differentiate between rage and hostility. To me, rage is a powerful emotion that can be channeled into creating great things: I like what the boys did with their own lives when they were fed up. And hostility is when you point that rage at someone, making them the target and making them wrong. At times I’ve had to really remind myself, especially when it comes to systemic abuse from SM or KBS. (But these are my own private struggles.)
And that’s why I seriously, seriously, seriously love JJ. Deferto neminem. On his chest, reminding him. It’s not an easy road, and very inspiring. The boy just cracks my heart open, all the time. (I think if I ever get a tattoo I will get that one…..because deep down I really am a hothead.)
I don’t really have any advice for you……I just want to resonate with you and tell you that I appreciate you. Take care. XOXO.
Oh Emma! I like your comment. You just expressed it way better than I can ever do it. Just want to say you are not alone. I actually think and act similarly too. Yes I do feel angry sometimes regarding the unfairness towards JYJ and etc, but I keep reminding myself not to turn hostile to someone especially when I have no prove of things. Cheer up mate.
I love your comment which speaks my mind!!
Yes, fans should stop fighting against each other. I understand that fans want to protect their oppas (and I think we all are as we are writing comments to protect or show our love for our idols – be it JYJ, be it HoMin, be it the 5-member TVXQ), but at the same time, words can be swords that not only defame a person but hurt one’s heart deeply. I just think it is a bit ironic if we hurt someone in the name of loving someone? Even when we say things without a full picture of what happened?
It’s not only heartbreaking to see the members suffer from the split, it’s as heart-wrenching when seeing cassies bashing one another. Shouldn’t we treasure one another as we all – from different parts of the world – coincidently fall for jaejoong / yuchun / junsu / changmin / yunho / their group? (there are tons of idol groups in Korea and around the world!!). While Jaejoong is working hard to maintain the friendship with HoMin, why couldn’t us make some friends here too?
This seems completely out of context but please allow me to thank everyone who maintains this website! THANK YOU SO MUCH for the great work everyday (around the clock indeed) bringing us the latest JYJ info and a platform for fans to communicate. And I respect all fans here – as well as they views too.
@Mokeic..even we have alot different the way to see the views.. but thank you for respect us..and always respect ppls opinion like you.hope we can have the some good thingto say in the future because at least we .have i thing same” love JYJ”.^__^ this is the last my comment in this post..close it ..run to listen CD IN Heaven!!!!!!!!!
Again, that’s what I was trying to say. Thank you. ^^
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I dont care actually … I’m sorry but I’m a cold person when it comes about this topic.
Soon or later they(specially my bias: Kim Jaejoong) have to realize that there is not a future for TVXQ as 5 again.
And maybe there is not a posibility for their friendship again, at least not in the near future.
I love JYJ and I will ALWAYS give them my full support , but to hope doesn’t solve the things, they need to be practical. Try to hold the pain and go on with their lives and careers.
That’s it.
I agreed with you, cos’ I too…..I don’t care either. I will definitely go where JYJ will take me..And also a person can hope but of course, have to be realistic. Personally, I feel, letting go of the pain of the past, thou’ not easy, then one will feel happiness. Happiness is a direction, not a place.
ohhh im late coz ive been reading all these articles with comment
my heart is in pain now , god i love you sooooo much jaejoong T^T , you deserve better things and may i see people who can appreciate your friendship , i always hope that i can find someone like you in this world ..
i really want them to talk to each other, i dont like having a grudge against homin cuz at one point both of them were also my bias in DBSK, my bias rotated like every week lol but this is so sad. if SM just butted out and let them do what they guys wanted to do and if all 5 contacted each other i think that the fanwar between JYJ and Homin fans could simmer down alot more. i didnt pick a side until earlier this year but that doesnt mean i dont miss the other two. recently i deleted the majority of DBSK videos from my ipod and i havent listened to ANY dbsk songs in about 5 months and yet sometimes i stare at my big poster of all 5 of them on my wall. there are times when i start to wonder what it would like if they came back as a group, i actually would love to see that since i got into them right after they released their last japanese single *sigh* poor jaejoong, i wish i knew what Homin think of JYJ
if they dont get back together i would be satisfied just seeing them hangout
I like both JYJ and HoMin – and DB5K.
Things happen for a reason and I guess none of us know exactly what went wrong so I try not to imagine what could have happened or judge who is the bad guy and who is not. JYJ has their own reasons to stand against the company — and I appreciate their courage. It is a tough battle. HoMin also has their reasons for staying at the company and becomes a two-member group — and that may take as much courage.
I like Jaejoong as he would not hide his emotions and love for others. We need more people like him in this world.
But for those who thinks HoMin doesn’t miss the other three, try watching this video – which is one of the lively-LESS Balloons performances. HoMin might not have publicly said they missed the other three, but can we rule out the possibility that there are times they miss one another? After all, they spent years together – including some toughest moments.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj2KxWVKOs0
I feel sad just watching this vid… I have to run search the original… but that’s ok… life has to go on…
Respect is a simple word but very hard to follow. We are all separated with regards to our opinion due to age, culture, ethnicity, society where we grew up… That’s why there’s a lot of clashes of opinions floating around.
The only thing we agreed upon is to support JYJ… no questions ask.
and…
“We can never rule out the possibility that there are times that they miss one another…” I totally agree with that. that’s a fact… you can never erase the past… the memories that this guys have invested for each other.
But for those days when HM defame JYJ during interviews… hhhhmmm that is something I could not tolerate. I don’t have any rooms for sympathy toward HM.
Until the day JYJ be able to talk to the other 2 and find a final conclusion then that’s the time I’ll re-evaluate my stand.
Thanks Masi. I understand what you mean and believe in.
I don’t have much to add (indeed i opened this message box for about 20 mins but am at a lost for words). Let’s see if Jaejoong can meet Yunho during the party. I don’t have high hopes though, because I think everyone will be watching and am not sure if things will turn out as they are planned. Who knows if the boys will be in town at that time? Even when they were still in a group back in late 2009 after JYJ filed the lawsuit, JYJ and HoMin were arranged to live in different hotels and sit in different preparation rooms before and after shows so that they couldn’t talk. There are too many people or organisations involved in this friendship. Anyway, hope Jaejoong’s wish will come true. I wish to see Jaejoong’s smile rather than woes when reporters ask him about DB5K or HoMin in future. They all have suffered enough. (oops sorry that I ended up typed a few lines despite i at first didn’t know what to say).
Yes, it’s always difficult to agree to differ.
both parties are affected. Yeah, I’ve read those news with regards to their accommodation and time schedule, other parties/organization really did their job to separate this group. It’s just sad to see the pressure and tension happening within the group. But they’re no kids anymore, if they really wanted to settle this and not be manipulated by the company it should have been done way back before, coz the other party have been trying to reach them and are open for discussion.
but wounds run deep, time could only tell.
for the meantime let’s enjoy the legacy they have left behind. 🙂
Very true! There’s a Chinese proverb saying that “to untie a knot, it must be done by the person who holds the string”. So I guess no matter how much we want them to get back together or stay the way as it is, only they themselves can get things sorted.
And thanks for video!!! It’s one of my favourite concerts of the five of them and I love this song. Unfortunately I know and start liking them only after they separated into two groups, but I am thankful that they had once done so many great music and performances together. They made me fall in love with them and K-pop! And for this i really want to thank the members. THANK YOU SO MUCH and I LOVE YOU ALL! Keep fighting no matter what!
Except I dislike HoMin for a reason. I don’t think it’s ok to backstab your friends, call them liers, say they are of weak and moral character, refuse to meet with JaeJoong when he used his only free day to fly from Japan to South Korea to meet with them, speak badly of JYJ, and to say they are no longer a part of DBSK. Changmin said it not me. Infact both Yunho and Changhmin said these things. And did these things. Then they too criticized Junsu when he was bashed by his so called “SM family.” I’m not one of those fans who just goes disliking people because others said to. I refuse to bury my head in the sand and live in lala land. Even JYJ said their is discourse between them. If a 20 year marriage or more can end, so can a 9 year friendshiip. People change. JYJ are men. Not gods. They’re people who reach a point where they say enoug his enough and to put them on this pedastool will do nothing but harm JYJ. Courage is standing up for what’s right even though you’re scared. JYJ did this. HoMin was going to leave but then pulled out in the last moment. That is cowardly. And to hide behind a foul company like SM? And to show support for the very people trying to destroy HoMin’s suppossed brothers’ careers and lives? If they miss JYJ so much they should leave SM like they originally planned to. They actually told JYJ many times to come back to SM!! I don’t even know where to begin on how wrong that was!
I believe Jae’s words… no matter what!!!
most of the people that view homin negatively are the people who know only jyj and were new fans to the kpop scene.
But the people who have been with jae, yoochun, and junsu from the VERY beginning including their dbsk days- i find it very hard to believe that those people do not want dbsk to meet again. these are the people who know what homin is really like and they’ve seen everything the five has been through.
I honestly do not see how anyone can hate on any of these five members if you’ve been through their journey from the very beginning.
Many of us were pre-lawsuit fans.
I am a fan since Mirotic or a year before that(?) but I don’t support Homin. I don’t hate them either though……
“most of the people that view homin negatively are the people who know only jyj and were new fans to the kpop scene.”
I have to strongly disagree with this statement.
bb i know them since they wear 5 and i used to love them TVXQ5 =.= but i dont have any love for homin now =.=
@hope
“But the people who have been with jae, yoochun, and junsu from the VERY beginning including their dbsk days- i find it very hard to believe that those people do not want dbsk to meet again. ”
Believe, dear, believe. While I would never classify myself a Hater (I just did a mental inventory–it’s official. I don’t hate anyone.) Let’s just say that I am thoroughly and terminally disappointed with YH&CM’s behavior over the last 2 years, so much so that I am really done with them. I’ve become convinced that they are not worth my time or anything else. Their actions have “blown it” as far as I’m concerned.
As I’ve said here before, I don’t think that being a fan of JYJ includes exactly mimicking their every belief and action. I think reasonable men differ. Jaejoong obviously believes that it’s important for him to continue to reach out to Homin to effect some sort of rapproachment. I don’t. Now while I understand Jaejoong and I respect, completely, his decision to do so, that would not be my choice or my choice for him.
And yes, I have been with DBSK as an admiring fan long before the birth of JYJ. I always enjoyed their music. What I really took exception to was how Homin have behaved since the break-up and the lawsuit. This was the deal-breaker for me and many others. I do not blindly, unquestioningly follow anyone. There have to continue to be compelling reasons to do that. JYJ have given me countless really compelling reasons to love them, trust them and go to the wall for them again and again. Homin, both as stand-up guys and as former Brothers of JYJ, have given me NONE. You do the math.
I’ve seen the boys since they were 5. I’ve seen how they sweat their bodies to conquer the Japanese market. I’ve seen their ups and downs. I won’t mind for them (all 5) to meet and talk as adults to clear out whatever problems they have. However, if the meeting will only bring more pain to JYJ then I’d say just pass it.
FYI Im a Kpop fans way before I know DBSK, more like Korean music fans. Do you know Seo Taiji ? If you dont then stop assuming others as new fans or old fans. In fact, being a new or old fans does not justify a person understanding and comprehension is this matter. Time in certain cases got nothing to do with people evaluations and justification over an issue like this. Go figure…
Actually, if you think about it… new JYJ/new HoMin fans are indifferent towards each other at best. The ones who really cause the most trouble are OT5s with our varying opinions.
You can’t feel so much hate/love towards someone you were never emotionally attached to in the first place, can you? Unless there is sufficient evidence for you to hate on the other party, then that’s an entirely different story.
Ex-OT5s are some of the most unreasonable haters I have ever come across. Not new JYJ fans, not new HoMin fans, EX-OT5S.
I´m a fan since 2007 and NOW I support only JYJ .
I dont hate HoMin… not their fan either
Saw the article, read it, saw the comments, read it. Want to comment, tempted to comment, can’t describe what I feel into words *sad*
@DB5K 4ever: Yunho and Changmin’s numbers have changed? I thought it was JYJ’s numbers?
ga tau napa senyum2 pas bagian si jaejoong ada kemungkinan buat bisa ketemu yunho hihi :DD
pasti bakal seruu kalo mereka berlima bisa ketemu lagi >_<
Sometimes silence is the most honest and blunt answer. I think HoMin are speaking just as loudly even though they’re saying nothing at all. There is an old saying that says actions speak louder than words.