i just find this one so much more classy…and think it suits their image more (with all the symbolism that i see) than the “blocky” one…(idk what that font is called) OTL
No, they’ve used a crown logo before for the Tokyo dome thanksgiving logo. Besides, the crown is not patented, anyone can use it. It’s only if it’s a specific design of the crown, then it could be copyrighted.
But a Halo is harder to put meanings in than a crown ~~ Look at the crown. Doesn’t it look like fans holding hands circling around? Maybe I look too much into it ~~~ but this logo I like. Because it looks like a Bridge all together.
@Hazy,
-commencing design critique-
I see what you’re talking about. I do like the fact that they used a crown, and as you said represent the fans.
I’m not too fond of the flat black and white on this square given frame. There’s no elements of punch. There’s about the same negative space as the positive space. I don’t know, maybe if they made the 3 in a different placement so it doesn’t over cast JYJ. Because JYJ is the main word I would have wanted to stand out. But I like how it flows and incorporated into each other. ^___^
Man, I always find myself harsh when critiquing. lol. Anyways, this is just a chitter chatter from a young fart who loves to critique anything about design.
Because of that, I am for sure that its’ intension was to be a bridge. Because JYJ is trying to reach out to Japan fans. And Korea is separated from Japan by an ocean. That’s why the JYJ look so bulky, it’s supposed to be the anchor for the bridge. The crown is what the string shape should be like, that’s why there is a 20 on one side and 11 on the other. Then you get the flowy part from the 3 and underneath. Underneath, looks like water reflection ~~~ Naw, it’s okay ~~ I think there is no other way that’s why they have the 3 very flowy so it won’t distract much from the design impression.
Everyone uses crown in Japan though. And let me point out a few differences in JYJ’s crown. JYJ’s crown was made to probably look like fans holding each others hand above JYJ. And it was placed on a line, with the 2011 on each side, with JYJ underneath, it create an illusion of a Bridge. The JYJ were made as anchor, but going down it looks flowy, and the 3 as well. It look like Water and mirror image.
There is a lot of meaning in this logo. Usually logo are made to have meanings in it. So Maybe check Big Bang’s crown to see what the meaning is.
@hazywords
“Everyone uses crown in Japan though. And let me point out a few differences in JYJ’s crown. JYJ’s crown was made to probably look like fans holding each others hand above JYJ. ”
Yes, that was my interpretation, too. Fans, together in solidarity, held in high esteem by JYJ..
crown logo is not Big Bang FC.
My school have crown in its logo and it exist since 1985. BB FC plagiarized my school then!
Kpop need to stop with this sense of ownership crap.
THSK and JYJ thanksgiving all used crowns. Crown J also used Crown as his logo, he should also probably sue bigbang. T-ara should also be sued ’cause they use a tiara = crown just as well. I mean the whole K-pop should be sueing each other since they’re way into crowns which should belong solely to actual Royalty like Queen Elizabeth and Prince Charles etc. LOL
I think there’s only plagiarism if you use the same designs etc. But notice how all the afore mentioned groups have the same ideas (crowns) but different designs. Its like how Cassies couldn’t accuse Taeyang (BIGBANG) for plagiarizing from THSK’s “T” logo; same ideas different designs.
could it be the 3 in the middle are holding the other 2 from falling
or the 2 are trying to leave the 3 or pulling them away
any way it’s all guesses
may be the 3 are protected by the fans from both sides
Hope it wouldn’t be misinterpreted again, incorporated to some dream! It’s JYJ’s logo, sometimes we are so sensitive to anything 5 , but hey, there’s a giant number 3, so that for sure is for J-Y-J !
well even when It’s JYJ’s logo and JYJ’s concert … it will be misinterpreted like so many other things … and the ” how do you know what it really means ? ” line will be used …. *sigh*
everyone can look at it in their own way I guess .
i agree but i think its too much at this moment. been also missiong them sings in japanese but i have to content myself in listening to their old J-songs. its a lot better if we will be surprise if they are holding any, right?
the overthrown Kings, but no matter what, JYJ will claim back their KINGDOM, even if the enemies have tried to lock all entries and built high walls! and those installed kings to be, be afraid, be very afraid!
Theyre gonna blow up the stage in Japan again! I wish I could be there but I cant. 😦 The Real Kings are returning! Yay! Im so excited for Japan! I hope they’ll have concert here in SG. And Im not gonna miss it totally!
ehh I don’t like. Those three elements look too different and out of place when combined. The crown ends up looking too cartoonish. The bold block-like letters of JYJ contrast in a negative way against the scroll letter E and number 3. The scroll also just makes the whole design busy… in a bad way as well as take attention away from the name(a cardinal sin in logo design). I do however like how the letter Y has this “lane” connecting both Js. I wish they would have found a design to connects all three letters. If they still felt the need to incorporate the crown in the design, then one that wouldn’t clash with the other design elements or take away from what is important in the logo (JYJ).
Why some1 always try to bring the other 2 in everything that JYJ do?Please stop it.@shineystar: its a logo for JYJ concert,why did they have to mention the other 2 in it?We’ve already had this kind of comment at the Thanksgiving logo.I think I’ve had enough.The boys never tell us about the meaning,you can say whatever you want but please respect JYJ fans.
Ppl is it a crime to like JYJ and Homin in this site? I love both groups and agree with shineystars initial impression of the crown. It looks like 5 guys linking arms to me…idk if its a deliberate thing or just coincidence…im not rea,ly gonna analyze if there is a secret significance to this new logo coz inthe end its all just speculation. I could point out that the crown looking like 5 guys joined is a subconscious clue as to jyj’s hope to heal the rift between them and their brothers…coz it is still very apparent in the interviews they give out that they miss homin a lot. Now thats just my opinion ok…u can agree or disagree but pls respect everyones right to have a different opinion here!
Even if a gun is pointing at your head, it still can’t stop you from liking and supporting whoever you want but also keep in mind that this is a site for JYJ only, yes JYJ ONLY! Don’t keep on rubbing those two names into our faces whatever chance you get. I’ve been seeing it way too much here lately, and it’s so irritating!
Guys let’s not get in a fight here. We are all here because we love JYJ.
What shineystars is saying are merely impressions (I took it as somewhat of a history story), it doesn’t sound like she’s implying anything. A logo design is out there for you to interpret however you like it. You see a logo and sometimes you get ideas and impression, I don’t see anything wrong with that. Let’s not all get jumpy on each other okie dokies. Peace v
It is a crime. Go play in OT5 sites please and leave us alone. I’ve been patient and quite for some times already. We dont play nice, warm, fuzzy and sweet here. So YES IT IS A CRIME.
TO EVERYONE:
That’s why I keep saying, “THINK BEFORE YOU CLICK!”
There you go… If you don’t want to be ticked off, don’t do things/say things that will tick off other people…
It is already known JYJ3 is a JYJ site… But I have to admit, slurs mentioning the Two when it’s not necessary (and when they’re not even mentioned in a post( cannot just be accepted like it’s normal.
As you know there are other people here who are OT5 fans. So as show of mutual respect (since they are respecting JYJ3 and JYJ Fans/Stans, try to be more sensitive of these fans too.
You don’t live in the world to please people yes. But we ALL live in this world. isn’t it ironic that JYJ is one and their fans are not?
And if somebody calls me an anti or whatever… That’s all up to you…
I am amused that people see the “5 people” holding hand in the crown design yet fail to hightlight the big ass number “3” both sides of JYJ words. The 3 number and JYJ in the center are the most significant of the detail in the design which scream to me, IN THE END ITS JYJ and JYJ 3 members are back.
Why i even bother and so pressed to explain this. Owh yes, because I am annoyed that for the past few weeks this sites become skewed a bit to the other side of the world and I dont like that.
What annoying posts are u talking about that skews this site to the other or shall i say dark side? Honestly i only come here for the info and hardly ever read or posts comments partly coz i dont got nothing to say and now mostly because i find that some fans here are so intolerant to the point of fanatic…and not in a good way! So to prevent us all getting annoyed i will just read the posts and none of the comments…its the posts that are impt anyways….
“Why i even bother and so pressed to explain this. Owh yes, because I am annoyed that for the past few weeks this sites become skewed a bit to the other side of the world and I dont like that.”
My friend, have no worries about that happening. The human mind once it’s conditioned to think a certain way, goes on and on. For those who see 5 in everything, that is how they are conditioned. They have not evolved, and may never. It’s all good. Remember, you are the only one who can make you feel annoyed. After 15 mins., let it drift away. I promise you’ll feel better. Besides, there are way too many JYJ3ers for anyone to ever change the direction of this site. What happened on you know where, will never happen here. PEACE my sister. 🙂
Eto na naman po ang mga ADIK~!!! hahahahah!!!
sige, bilisan nyo pagpapatubo ng uban at wrinkles sa kaka-stress ninyo sa sarili nyo! mga adik~! ahahahah
Where did those see “guys” on the crown??!! I can only see 3 “gals” in the middle and 1/2 the “gals” on each side cos’ they are wearing “dresses with white buttons”, that’s all. And I find the logo ageyo (Cute), and I love crowns, isn’t it so? Why think so much?
umm guys……..the crown is a crown representing royalty and it has 5 points because generic crowns have five points, and 5 point crowns l o o k g o o d and just for the record, if it really represents ppl, then it represents girls lol bc a circle on top of a triangle is the generic symbol for girl 😛
people will see what they want to see yes, like for me I thought the “JYJ” in the center seems to be being held up, or surrounded by the squiggly things lol and they look like number “3”, and honestly my only problem with this logo is that the “JYJ” does not stand out, it blends in with everything despite its bold lettering, I also thought it was curious that the typography used for JYJ and the style of the logo as a whole was different as opposed to the usual block-lettering style they use. I thought it was very fancy/classy looking and fits with their In Heaven pics and this poster that they used it on http://p.twimg.com/AbHoMl_CEAA5e9K.jpg I know usually logos have more then meets the eye, but in this case i think it was more created for aesthetic,and to fit the mood of the “InHeaven” photoshoots, so nothing beyond symbolizing JYJ was incorporated imo
At everyone, i understand this is a jyj only site but ur intolerance and anti attitude to anything that ties JYJ to the other two verges on the psychotic. Obviously one cant even express their honest opinion or impression here. I’m just saying that the crown looked like 5 guys. Not saying thats the only opinion i have or didnt see the nice design scrolls that looks like a 3. Idk if it means anything at all and probably nothing. And to the person said it is a crime to like homin here…thanks for giving me ur opinion eventhough it means less than nothing to me. I like this site coz of the jyj fix but if the fans here are immature and close minded then i would rather support another jyj site…fans like that give normal fans a bad rep…no wonder ppl think fangirls are crazy….
JYJ3 
wow! surely they are kings 🙂
OMG I want to be there T.T
JYJ fighting!!!!
This is basically mean that the fans are JYJ’s crown. And the whole thing look like a Castle gate/bridge/dam. Genius design ~~~
Wow.. New logo! JYJ indeed fit “King” image 😀 is the logo just for their concert in Japan ?
I read it as jyj3. Lol
YAH! ahahha
I like it so much!
can be!, can JYJ3 borrow this logo?
Nice! Crowned as the Kings of their Fans’ Hearts! ^____^
AGREE!
oooh~ it looks REALLY NICE imo. XD (is it bad to say i like this more than the other writing? >__<)
@jae_hero
“(is it bad to say i like this more than the other writing? >__<)"
Yes. I do too.
i just find this one so much more classy…and think it suits their image more (with all the symbolism that i see) than the “blocky” one…(idk what that font is called) OTL
so nice^^ classy as always 🙂 that’s JYJ!!
look so nice ^^
they are always be a king in my heart ❤ it
i feel like big bang fans will attack jyj for using the crown logo cause that represents big bang fanclub
why??
No, they’ve used a crown logo before for the Tokyo dome thanksgiving logo. Besides, the crown is not patented, anyone can use it. It’s only if it’s a specific design of the crown, then it could be copyrighted.
On that note, JYJ’s used two crown design, both in Japanese concerts. The gods must love their crown. They should have a halo instead, lol.
But a Halo is harder to put meanings in than a crown ~~ Look at the crown. Doesn’t it look like fans holding hands circling around? Maybe I look too much into it ~~~ but this logo I like. Because it looks like a Bridge all together.
@Hazy,
-commencing design critique-
I see what you’re talking about. I do like the fact that they used a crown, and as you said represent the fans.
I’m not too fond of the flat black and white on this square given frame. There’s no elements of punch. There’s about the same negative space as the positive space. I don’t know, maybe if they made the 3 in a different placement so it doesn’t over cast JYJ. Because JYJ is the main word I would have wanted to stand out. But I like how it flows and incorporated into each other. ^___^
Man, I always find myself harsh when critiquing. lol. Anyways, this is just a chitter chatter from a young fart who loves to critique anything about design.
Because of that, I am for sure that its’ intension was to be a bridge. Because JYJ is trying to reach out to Japan fans. And Korea is separated from Japan by an ocean. That’s why the JYJ look so bulky, it’s supposed to be the anchor for the bridge. The crown is what the string shape should be like, that’s why there is a 20 on one side and 11 on the other. Then you get the flowy part from the 3 and underneath. Underneath, looks like water reflection ~~~ Naw, it’s okay ~~ I think there is no other way that’s why they have the 3 very flowy so it won’t distract much from the design impression.
Everyone uses crown in Japan though. And let me point out a few differences in JYJ’s crown. JYJ’s crown was made to probably look like fans holding each others hand above JYJ. And it was placed on a line, with the 2011 on each side, with JYJ underneath, it create an illusion of a Bridge. The JYJ were made as anchor, but going down it looks flowy, and the 3 as well. It look like Water and mirror image.
There is a lot of meaning in this logo. Usually logo are made to have meanings in it. So Maybe check Big Bang’s crown to see what the meaning is.
I LOVE your interpretation. ^-^ I’ve actually never realized that logos have meanings. Probably should have been obvious…
@hazywords
“Everyone uses crown in Japan though. And let me point out a few differences in JYJ’s crown. JYJ’s crown was made to probably look like fans holding each others hand above JYJ. ”
Yes, that was my interpretation, too. Fans, together in solidarity, held in high esteem by JYJ..
crown logo is not Big Bang FC.
My school have crown in its logo and it exist since 1985. BB FC plagiarized my school then!
Kpop need to stop with this sense of ownership crap.
THSK and JYJ thanksgiving all used crowns. Crown J also used Crown as his logo, he should also probably sue bigbang. T-ara should also be sued ’cause they use a tiara = crown just as well. I mean the whole K-pop should be sueing each other since they’re way into crowns which should belong solely to actual Royalty like Queen Elizabeth and Prince Charles etc. LOL
I think there’s only plagiarism if you use the same designs etc. But notice how all the afore mentioned groups have the same ideas (crowns) but different designs. Its like how Cassies couldn’t accuse Taeyang (BIGBANG) for plagiarizing from THSK’s “T” logo; same ideas different designs.
Nice..proud to be JYJ fans..
wooow jyj fighting
so cool
Woo I like it!!! >
Can’t wait for the open concert!!! ><
I think this logo is in the background of this poster
i mean the crown
Is it me or the crown looks exactly like 5 men holding hands?
I’d rather think they were fans holding hands and being united as hazywords said.
could it be the 3 in the middle are holding the other 2 from falling
or the 2 are trying to leave the 3 or pulling them away
any way it’s all guesses
may be the 3 are protected by the fans from both sides
Say What?
Wow that’s a bit of a stretch… all this speculation about the 3 and the 2 and the 3?
No I really don’t think so.
? I thought it meant the fans holding hands not men….
Hope it wouldn’t be misinterpreted again, incorporated to some dream! It’s JYJ’s logo, sometimes we are so sensitive to anything 5 , but hey, there’s a giant number 3, so that for sure is for J-Y-J !
well even when It’s JYJ’s logo and JYJ’s concert … it will be misinterpreted like so many other things … and the ” how do you know what it really means ? ” line will be used …. *sigh*
everyone can look at it in their own way I guess .
i always love it when JYJ go to Japan…. >_< man… they need to be there a.s.a.p!
and…….. obvious symbol is obvious.
Crown represent Kings. The kings are back alright 🙂
THE RETURN OF THE KINGS IN JAPAN!
it will be great if they can sing in Japanese
looking forward for the concert ^^
i agree but i think its too much at this moment. been also missiong them sings in japanese but i have to content myself in listening to their old J-songs. its a lot better if we will be surprise if they are holding any, right?
the overthrown Kings, but no matter what, JYJ will claim back their KINGDOM, even if the enemies have tried to lock all entries and built high walls! and those installed kings to be, be afraid, be very afraid!
they were never overthrown…the noobies out there in japan singing mostly remakes have yet to make SUCH an impact as our boys.
Oh yes!!!
Pretenders to the side please!
Theyre gonna blow up the stage in Japan again! I wish I could be there but I cant. 😦 The Real Kings are returning! Yay! Im so excited for Japan! I hope they’ll have concert here in SG. And Im not gonna miss it totally!
ehh I don’t like. Those three elements look too different and out of place when combined. The crown ends up looking too cartoonish. The bold block-like letters of JYJ contrast in a negative way against the scroll letter E and number 3. The scroll also just makes the whole design busy… in a bad way as well as take attention away from the name(a cardinal sin in logo design). I do however like how the letter Y has this “lane” connecting both Js. I wish they would have found a design to connects all three letters. If they still felt the need to incorporate the crown in the design, then one that wouldn’t clash with the other design elements or take away from what is important in the logo (JYJ).
Why some1 always try to bring the other 2 in everything that JYJ do?Please stop it.@shineystar: its a logo for JYJ concert,why did they have to mention the other 2 in it?We’ve already had this kind of comment at the Thanksgiving logo.I think I’ve had enough.The boys never tell us about the meaning,you can say whatever you want but please respect JYJ fans.
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Know what you mean. I’ve been sensing a lot of weird vibes around this blog lately. We have fakers among us, my friends.
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yeah, you’re right!
Friends, shineystars is a certified JYJ Fan, only for JYJ!
Ppl is it a crime to like JYJ and Homin in this site? I love both groups and agree with shineystars initial impression of the crown. It looks like 5 guys linking arms to me…idk if its a deliberate thing or just coincidence…im not rea,ly gonna analyze if there is a secret significance to this new logo coz inthe end its all just speculation. I could point out that the crown looking like 5 guys joined is a subconscious clue as to jyj’s hope to heal the rift between them and their brothers…coz it is still very apparent in the interviews they give out that they miss homin a lot. Now thats just my opinion ok…u can agree or disagree but pls respect everyones right to have a different opinion here!
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Even if a gun is pointing at your head, it still can’t stop you from liking and supporting whoever you want but also keep in mind that this is a site for JYJ only, yes JYJ ONLY! Don’t keep on rubbing those two names into our faces whatever chance you get. I’ve been seeing it way too much here lately, and it’s so irritating!
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Guys let’s not get in a fight here. We are all here because we love JYJ.
What shineystars is saying are merely impressions (I took it as somewhat of a history story), it doesn’t sound like she’s implying anything. A logo design is out there for you to interpret however you like it. You see a logo and sometimes you get ideas and impression, I don’t see anything wrong with that. Let’s not all get jumpy on each other okie dokies. Peace v
It is a crime. Go play in OT5 sites please and leave us alone. I’ve been patient and quite for some times already. We dont play nice, warm, fuzzy and sweet here. So YES IT IS A CRIME.
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@jnt1024 Erm…..this is a JYJ3 site is for JYJ of course! But…..is this Homin’s site? I don’t think so….kekekeke~~
@jnt1024
“Ppl is it a crime to like JYJ and Homin in this site?”
Please look at the banner at the top, you will find your answer right there.
Peace
TO EVERYONE:
That’s why I keep saying, “THINK BEFORE YOU CLICK!”
There you go… If you don’t want to be ticked off, don’t do things/say things that will tick off other people…
It is already known JYJ3 is a JYJ site… But I have to admit, slurs mentioning the Two when it’s not necessary (and when they’re not even mentioned in a post( cannot just be accepted like it’s normal.
As you know there are other people here who are OT5 fans. So as show of mutual respect (since they are respecting JYJ3 and JYJ Fans/Stans, try to be more sensitive of these fans too.
You don’t live in the world to please people yes. But we ALL live in this world. isn’t it ironic that JYJ is one and their fans are not?
And if somebody calls me an anti or whatever… That’s all up to you…
I think some of us are looking way too deep into this. For all we know, it could simply means
nothing but a design.
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I am annoyed. A lot. I think.
Oh just let it go! The kid is a bonified fan of the BIG3.
Cant help it. Annoyed me is annoyed.
But logos always follow a theme, was never just a design to look good. If it’s just a design, it’ll never make the impression.
Take a look ~~
http://www.graphicdesignblog.org/hidden-logos-in-graphic-designing/
I am amused that people see the “5 people” holding hand in the crown design yet fail to hightlight the big ass number “3” both sides of JYJ words. The 3 number and JYJ in the center are the most significant of the detail in the design which scream to me, IN THE END ITS JYJ and JYJ 3 members are back.
Why i even bother and so pressed to explain this. Owh yes, because I am annoyed that for the past few weeks this sites become skewed a bit to the other side of the world and I dont like that.
*refering to the comments*
What annoying posts are u talking about that skews this site to the other or shall i say dark side? Honestly i only come here for the info and hardly ever read or posts comments partly coz i dont got nothing to say and now mostly because i find that some fans here are so intolerant to the point of fanatic…and not in a good way! So to prevent us all getting annoyed i will just read the posts and none of the comments…its the posts that are impt anyways….
LOL, bb calm down and look at this
http://www.graphicdesignblog.org/hidden-logos-in-graphic-designing/
Then form your own interpretation of the logo.
For me, it’s a bridge, and I’m going to spread that theory around ~~~ la la la bridging the gap.
and i do understand you’re annoyed, but it’s also going to be helpful to all fans here if we all practiced being understanding of each other… ^_^
@9mmleftshinki
“Why i even bother and so pressed to explain this. Owh yes, because I am annoyed that for the past few weeks this sites become skewed a bit to the other side of the world and I dont like that.”
My friend, have no worries about that happening. The human mind once it’s conditioned to think a certain way, goes on and on. For those who see 5 in everything, that is how they are conditioned. They have not evolved, and may never. It’s all good. Remember, you are the only one who can make you feel annoyed. After 15 mins., let it drift away. I promise you’ll feel better. Besides, there are way too many JYJ3ers for anyone to ever change the direction of this site. What happened on you know where, will never happen here. PEACE my sister. 🙂
I see 3 guys and two poles; those poles can’t be humans unless they’tr only half humans like it’s been drawn.
lol i didnt even know what the big fuss is about until i look at the crown you guys point at. It doesn’t look like anything but a crown to me o-o
Eto na naman po ang mga ADIK~!!! hahahahah!!!
sige, bilisan nyo pagpapatubo ng uban at wrinkles sa kaka-stress ninyo sa sarili nyo! mga adik~! ahahahah
Sam-sam…parang maraming lukoluko dito…makikitid ang utak…yung opinion lang ba nila ang tama? Kainis dito…hanap na lang ako ng ibang site.
nice one!
very classical and dramatic!
i like it…
luvsu
it can also be interpreted that 2 guy trying to separate the other 3 but i think its not the correct interpretation.
Where did those see “guys” on the crown??!! I can only see 3 “gals” in the middle and 1/2 the “gals” on each side cos’ they are wearing “dresses with white buttons”, that’s all. And I find the logo ageyo (Cute), and I love crowns, isn’t it so? Why think so much?
go JYJ fans!
umm guys……..the crown is a crown representing royalty and it has 5 points because generic crowns have five points, and 5 point crowns l o o k g o o d and just for the record, if it really represents ppl, then it represents girls lol bc a circle on top of a triangle is the generic symbol for girl 😛
people will see what they want to see yes, like for me I thought the “JYJ” in the center seems to be being held up, or surrounded by the squiggly things lol and they look like number “3”, and honestly my only problem with this logo is that the “JYJ” does not stand out, it blends in with everything despite its bold lettering, I also thought it was curious that the typography used for JYJ and the style of the logo as a whole was different as opposed to the usual block-lettering style they use. I thought it was very fancy/classy looking and fits with their In Heaven pics and this poster that they used it on http://p.twimg.com/AbHoMl_CEAA5e9K.jpg I know usually logos have more then meets the eye, but in this case i think it was more created for aesthetic,and to fit the mood of the “InHeaven” photoshoots, so nothing beyond symbolizing JYJ was incorporated imo
At everyone, i understand this is a jyj only site but ur intolerance and anti attitude to anything that ties JYJ to the other two verges on the psychotic. Obviously one cant even express their honest opinion or impression here. I’m just saying that the crown looked like 5 guys. Not saying thats the only opinion i have or didnt see the nice design scrolls that looks like a 3. Idk if it means anything at all and probably nothing. And to the person said it is a crime to like homin here…thanks for giving me ur opinion eventhough it means less than nothing to me. I like this site coz of the jyj fix but if the fans here are immature and close minded then i would rather support another jyj site…fans like that give normal fans a bad rep…no wonder ppl think fangirls are crazy….