😀 😀 😀
I actually saw your post a while back about how you missed everyone but I never got the chance to reply back. So I’m glad to see you here, when I am finally here to say I miss you and everyone else. It feels weird just browsing over JYJ3 and not read all comments or making a comment. Something’s missing, like my heart is ’empty’ 😦
Thanks so much for the vds you shared the other day! I was laughing so much because of Junsu’s cuteness/silliness on the “Brunch Date Master”
I had to re-watch again and again some parts! XD *Evil JaeChun were so funny too! XD*
@SolangeJJ
Hello! Junsu was cute and funny during the Brunch Date, but have you seen the Ontomeon interview vid? I put that up for dl too so that others can enjoy the comic genius of Junsu. 🙂 That kid is seriously funny and a great sport. He constantly gets trolled on, but he makes it so that you laugh WITH him and not at him. He really is a mood maker.
Hi @Leahb518
Can you please put up that list again if its not too much trouble? I can’t find it and would love to save it on my external drive if possible.
Also, does anyone know if there is an Eng-subbed download for either Memories of 2010 or History in Japan Special? Thanks!
@Livingfree
I’ll post the link up later today when I get home from work. Luckily I haven’t deleted the files yet. 🙂 Which volume of History in Japan were you looking for? I know I have vol 4 and the extra movie for it. I may have the others, but I’m not sure. I’ll check my hard drives. I’ve downloaded so much I don’t even remember what I have….I haven’t watched everything either. You have perfect timing because I finally got my laptop back from the repair shop yesterday. ^__^ Yay!!!
@Leahb518
Sorry but just saw your reply. Basically, I need all of the History in Japan, including the last one (the History in Japan Special). And if you have the Memories in 2010, that would be truly awesome too. I also still need the Ontomeon interview (JS vids are my happy vitamins when I have the blues. Actually, anything JYJ can make me smile but that cherub JS always crack me up) ^^
Arrigato!
Just wanna share, Wonder Girls’ new teaser is out!
I liked the first teaser better, it was a lot edgier. Apparently it’s 2 different songs, their comeback song’s “Be My Baby” (bit similar to Miss A’s Goodbye Baby, but maybe it’s cos of the use of “baby”). Still like it though, although side-eyeing the furry things. This is fast becoming one of my favourite comebacks of the year.
SunMi, yeah I know. She’s a decent singer (good? has potential to improve) and she’s super pretty. I miss her too, but it’s good for her to get her priorities straight.
Yoobin is a hottie. But I’ve always had a soft spot for Sohee, even though she’s not the best singer out there. She really improved though, and I love her fashion sense. Sunye is an absolute sweetie.
The thing about WG is the fact that they’re all sweet, likeable girls. They’re not the prettiest, but they DO have a certain something on stage, kinda like my boys BigBang. Which is probably why WonderBang was such a hit.
I don’t really remember how I got to like SunMi, not as a vocalist, but as a person. It’s very true though, WG are approachable individuals who are not as ‘perfected’ and company manufactured. I think that’s why I have a soft spot for them over everybody else. I’m still a bigger fan of BEG though haha.
i wish the girls will do really really well. there are not my favorite by far, especially 2 of them who seem to be so disconnected with the stage or maybe just a little awkward. anyhow, i was reading around the internets, and there are some who say that the girls are over in their mother land. i like underdogs, so that alone motivates me to have the girls do an all kill and wipe the charts and tv shows clean. you know, just to make a little bit of waves in this big ocean of k-pop.
I prefer the first teaser more, too. Also side-eyeing the furry things and fluorescent colored patterns (just a personal thing though–I have an irrational hate for them). Their silhouettes remind my of Beyonce’s Single Ladies. Expecting some really sexy choreography from Jonte. Looking forward to the full MV.
So stoked for their comeback! I think they are really pretty, and I really have this bias for groups who have lesser members. 😉 HIHI (makes it easier to get to know the members more and appreciate their voices)
lol! you’re the same as me. I’m going to start from 1 Nov. Too busy with assignments and college. But I somehow managed to find some time on reading some posts here ^^
@Kris
Welcome back! Pati ako kailangan ko rin mag back-track. I’m so behind eventhough I visit JYJ3 daily, there are so many articles/news and GAP discussions to read and videos to watch. It’s been so busy at work I only have time to skim.
I really need to start watching this show. When I have time ><.
Or maybe I'll wait until it's over and I'll do a weekend marathon or something.
I've been kdrama deprived lately.
Me too. I finally got my laptop back from the repair shop today and I can’t wait to marathon Scent Of A Woman and Protect The Boss. ^_^ I’ve been missing watching Arashi’s shows too. Those guys are funny! Not too into their music (I’m stuck on JYJ right now), but their shows are hilarious!
i just finished ep 5, getting interesting. Can’t wait to watch the next eps. Honestly, besides JYJ, i keep myself busy with dramas and not other kpop bands, because only JYJ and their musics can attract me and keep me wanting more
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No offense to Bieber fans .. but some how I don’t feel like it’s a praise.
I feel insulted … and yeah .. I am upset ! Anyway congrats JYJ for being mentioned on big, influential Spanish newspaper.
I always feel insulted when our boys are compared to anyone else because I know they are so talented and admirable people. But I think this was intended as a compliment. Justin Bieber is considered such a charmer. At first glance in a press conference, wouldn’t that be the first thing they noticed – how incredibly handsome they are? And the screaming girls that follow them?
(sighs) Korea’s (Or SME’s) new smear campaign against JYJ includes them paying a reporter to cover bad points about JYJ’s Barcelona concert. There is a whole article on Nate right now that is first place that claims that the venue was not filled with 3000 but 2000 people. =____= Please don’t go and search for the article and click on it…..even if it linked on twitter as the reporter will just make more money for posting such an article………..the purpose being just to bring JYJ down.
I hope CJes or beyondmonica (who does an AWESOME job) deals with this issue quickly.
they took a picture of an empty green space and said that the numbers were inflated and the proof of the low number of attendees was the ’empty green space’
All the fanaccounts said that it wasn’t filled to capacity, and that’s fine actually. But really? 1000 people off the mark? What the? I find it funny because Korea, you’re so quick to claim any and all success to being “Hallyu”, so why would you buy this shtick?
I know some of the fanaccounts did say that.
This is why I wish reporters would research instead of throwing numbers around.
Since JYJ said it was 80% sold out I will believe them.
Also, lol the manga festival was full to the brim……..
Korean press is so quick to attribute JYJ’s success to K-pop and the hallyu wave, without accepting that this is JYJ’s own success. Then immediately they want to find a way to discredit them further by saying the numbers are a lie. If it isn’t manipulation, what possible motivation would there be want to lower the numbers? Usually Korean press would want to exaggerate the numbers because it makes Korea look better.
I noticed the trend to do this in the media starting from the Jeju Island incident. KBS claimed that they dropped JYJ because they weren’t as popular as SNSD and fx. It was a ridiculous claim, but by doing so they defended their choice as reasonable and also insulted and discredited JYJ as unpopular.
They can keep doing these dirty tricks at SME’s request, but you can only stick your head in the sand for so long before JYJ’s popularity is so strong, there is no way to hide it. I am sure many fans of SME groups have a reason to want to believe JYJ’s success is a lie. They have bought the lie for a long time that JYJ are worthless traitors, and to have JYJ be popular is a threat to their reality.
That really was a great read. For me it seems as if the implication is Kpop is SO anxious to conquer. Ok, sometimes you want to get there fast. But fast is not always best. There were so many points that resonated. But the one that struck me the most were the ones that dealt with comparisons.
Sure comparisons are cool, but they had better be accurate, because honestly, if your artist were ever on a stage singing next to one of those comparisons, you better be prepared for what happens.
This comparison is not about teens vs pros, but once on TV program, the singer Joe Crocker was paired with Patti LaBelle. To put it mildly it was tragic. His attempt to sound soulful and keep up with Patti was painful. There are precious few who can keep up with her, he was not one of them.
When I mentioned in my fanaccount about JYJ being able to hold their own with a list of well known artists, most famous R&B singers, I wasn’t going for hyperbole. If you know anything about the history of the R&B music world, most concerts are not about flash. Sometimes there are some nice backdrops. But for the most part it’s the musicians, the mike, and the singers. R&B audiences want to HEAR the singers SING. The better the singer, the better the show. R&B audiences like to GROOVE with their artists.
Whenever I listen to JJ, YC, and JS sing, even without the dancing, I know for a FACT, they can stand on a stage with any of those artists I mentioned and hold their own. The vocal skills they possess give them an honest entree into the American music scene. Not to mention their stage prescence as well. There is no need to camoflage their appearance. It simply doesn’t pay to alter this much talent. So, this article is exactly right, the comparisons had better be justified, because if they aren’t, Korean acts are going to pay a steep price.
Thanks pheonixia for the post. Interesting read. The one thing I think is missing from the analysis is what is really generating the intensity of fans’ interest. Korean singers and Korean dramas may not be as great and professional as the American versions. But there is an indescribable attraction to them that overrides that. I often know the drama I am watching is not well done, but I still cry and laugh when they want me to. And when it is over, I am lost for a few days. It has such an emotional impact and becomes a part of my life. This is without any hype. People are not rational beings, they also have emotions and desires, and Korea has a way of going underneath all the usual ways of operating, and captivating people on that deeper level. In music, that breeds a devotion that goes way beyond music. And I don’t think it is because of delusional press reports. As for JYJ, I love them, truly. It is based in their music, but goes way beyond that. And I am an adult, not a teenager. I think this is way bigger than how music critics normally analyze trends. there is a storm brewing and will take the American music industry by surprise.
Uhm okay. Desperate much? Lol. JYJ is laughing in Berlin right now, not worrying about the childish S. Korean entertainment. I just can’t even with Korea.
Like you, I hope damage control is being done by Korean fans, C-JeS and Beyondmonica.
ONCE AGAIN I find myself just shaking my head and wondering to myself, “WHO needs this?? Who needs the kind of abuse that JYJ is routinely subjected to in SK?? These are THEIR SHINING STARS. They are making SK look like a place that might bear further investigating by the rest of the world, a place with perhaps even more beautiful and talented people. And THIS is how they are treated for their pains by their own press?? News articles full of lies at the behest of the company out to ruin them?
It’s like they stuck their heads between their legs and refuse to listen. Refuse to evolve. Refuse to have society progress to equality.
South Korea is just a huge disappointment, this resistance in changing their industry for the betterment of the workers. I know for sure that I’ll never want to go to S. Korea for work if this is how they treat their talented natives.
Excuse the language, but their businesses are just full of a**lickers. Hate office politics. Hate the monopoly. They need reform – not only to bolster their own economy so that they won’t have all their eggs in one basket, but to also allow for their culture to evolve further. All this ‘Hallyu wave’ nonsense is stunting their cultural growth in terms of music.
oh so that’s why the kfans are tweeting non-stop right now.
it’s a bit ironic that they want to discredit JYJ… I hope they realized that by doing this, they are also discrediting the so-called hallyu wave that they are promoting.
JYJ is still the first Korean group that has a solo concert in Europe. No one can discredit that.
@pheonixia, I believe in what I see in pictures from the fans or on the report in newspapers ….THE CONCERT WAS SUCCESSFUL….
I don’t even care about the rumour things people just make up after that…Nate was the one who have an article to say about the concert fill up with 3000 peoples,now what did they say ?2000,oh man, I wonder how the # had been change like this…
Was that reporter even present at their Barcelona concert? Even the Spanish media already reported that it was a crowd of 3000. SM is so obsessed with JYJ that they’re going coocoo over their creme de la creme ex-talents. Ridiculous and pathetic.
anyways,according to some kfan tweets just now, the journalist said he thought the manga performance was the actual concert <__< and the pictures used on the article were taken when the venue was still filling up, it makes sense for the lights to be on, it was like 9:00 at night http://nimg.nate.com/orgImg/th/2011/11/03/20111136118l638_T5_13720.jpg
Girl I’m so sorry!!! The last thing I want is for you to get caught!
I just go o_0 …….how stupid do these people think we are? Just admit it sir. You lied. You didn’t attend the manga event much less the concert and your “article” is just you looking at pics and making stuff up. He obviously didn’t even have the intelligence to look up a fan-account for reference or a video…ANYTHING! It is either he is some anti-JYJ douche with no life trying to bring himself some attention OR he is probably in the pay of SoMEone to write up a discrediting review.
“the journalist said he thought the manga performance was the actual concert <__<"
LOL I'm side-eyeing this punk-ass liar too. He must be a student from KBS, his lie is so obvious. I mean what exactly confused him? The big-ass "SALON DEL MANGA" sign behind JYJ? Did he not notice that the performance was in a building and not a stadium? What exactly made this piece of ……. think that this was JYJ's concert?
My dear sister it was not your fault! 🙂 I simply have an open area workspace. My workstation is right at the entrance of our department, so anyone going and coming through the doors pass by me.
Your comment was so delicious! I went out to lunch today. Normally, I have my lunch at my desk and peruse JYJ3 then. But I was checking a bit before and after. You simply hit the nail on the coffin. What does it take for these morons to understand? We are onto their game and will call them on it everytime!
@My sisterBAFfie
“Your comment was so delicious! I went out to lunch today. Normally, I have my lunch at my desk and peruse JYJ3 then. But I was checking a bit before and after. You simply hit the nail on the coffin.”
lol Now see? My V.E. Sister is right there proving my earlier point. We LOVE Mia’s point of view–she’s out on the ragged edge, yelling her head off and frankly, every family needs one to be just exactly that way. It would be a DARK DAY indeed without Mia.
So to our esteemed newcomers–we fervently hope that, given time, you will become as beloved and cherished as our Mia. In the mean time, listen and learn.
p.s. Mia and I have had MAJOR knock-downs in the past. Big time blowups. Now, I wouldn’t want to even imagine JYJ3 without her perspective because I know that underneath all the fireworks there’s a passionate heart and a thinking person. My favorite kinda girl.
🙂
i don’t know that Nate is one of the SM kiss-licking assers.
SM, butt hurt much with the banner “F*ck SM”, so you want to control the huge success of JYJ concert in Europe. tsk tsk tsk…
We can always count on Chinese fans to buy everything quickly ^____^
What is worrisome though is the number of Yunjae fans that probably bought tickets.
But, honestly sometimes I wish JJ would stop being nice for a few minutes.
If he dislikes Yunjae fans in-your-face attitude he should just come out and say it….even if he is going to lose fans. At least he will have peace of mind.
less 1 seat for yunjae fans coz I’m coming. lmao XD
sad to say but ~not being nice~ is not in the vocabulary of JaeJoong.
I think he will speak out if he can’t take it anymore like the sasaeng incidents.
(sighs) even with those incidents he only spoke out on behalf of Yoochun and his manager. And he scolded saessang taxi’s who take money from dumb fans and rip them off.
Jaejoong’s kindness makes me worried about him sometimes. But, he is a grown man and can deal with things on his own.
On another note…..I am SO SO jealous you will be attending! Please take lots of pictures and fancams!
Good for you ^_____^
Watchin old videos, when JaeJoong was 6-7 wished upon a star to become a supermarket owner when he grew up. Why? Because he thought he could get anything he wanted. Well, as a grown young man…he said that he changed his mind: he wanted to own a huge Korean restaurant…
lol, our cute, smarty pants boy. love him.
What the…So I just read an article written by Pitchfork (whaaat? that uppity Pitchfork?! Really?!) that talked about K-pop.
…Yes. K-pop. It’s riddled with misinformation (lol seems like someone just skimmed their research to me) but they mention JYJ!
Well. They mentioned JYJ and Kanye West and “awkward at best” Ayyy Girl ^^;;; But hey, publicity is publicity and that’s name dropping at it’s best. No matter how many haters there are, Kanye West is still way more legit in the American music scene than all the K-idols put together.
That said. I wish they talked about Empty. This guy’s nonfan colours are showing!
But lol at least half of their article was about SNSD and how they are the best selling group in Korea………and the biggest new thing in Japan.
The article is not very factual.
But at least they mentioned JYJ working with Kanye West.
“at least half of their article was about SNSD and how they are the best selling group in Korea”
Ok.. I have nothing against this group but this statment is NOT true
@iraaa “Released in 2009, “Gee” was a landmark event in the world of Hallyu. It set chart records in South Korea that have yet to be broken, and made history when a Japanese version of the song went double platinum and became the first single ever by a non-Japanese girl group to reach no. 1 on that country’s notoriously insular pop charts.”
This is what I meant. I’m sorry for not being 100% accurate.
Did they seriously set chart records in Korea ‘that are yet to be broken’? I doubt it.
-and side note: I am not an SNSD hater. I am a hater of articles that take small achievements and blow them up…….which is how SNSD is pretty much marketed-
I get what you mean, and I don’t think you’re a hater. But it IS true that “Gee” was a huge turning point. Now, I can say a lot of things about JYJ contributing a lot towards Hallyu, but DB5K was part of the 2nd wave of Hallyu (with Yon-sama and co. being first). The 3rd wave, in 2009, was headed by SNSD’s Gee and SuJu’s Sorry Sorry, both of which are runaway hits. Combined with the powers of internet and fan culture, Hallyu became an even bigger phenomenon. That does NOT detract at all from what DB5K did (also deserving mention are Big Bang’s Lies and Haru Haru and WG’s Nobody) and what they contributed, but it is what it is.
SNSD did in fact set records in Korea with Gee, but I always side-eye that 9 time MuBank record thing. At least I think it’s MuBank. They won 9 times in a row, which was a record, fine. Thing is, nobody’s allowed to win more than 3 times now, so obviously they’re gonna keep that record foreverrr or something. But hey, it’s still a record.
And they’re pretty darn huge in Japan too. It’s just that the author was talking about SNSD in the context of Kpop, so that was probably why he omitted KARA’s Japanese achievements. Yes, it does sound as if he’s blowing their achievements up, but in the grand scheme of things, does it even matter? He didn’t even recommend it in the end anyway, much to my amusement.
I know, Pitchfork = epitome of indie snobbishness (I was guilty of it once). But what most people don’t realise (because they’re too busy being all “Kpop in Pitchfork whaaa” or “who/what the heck is Pitchfork?”) is that
1) the guy that wrote this is part of an electronica duo that sounds nothing like kpop whatsoever so he’s looking at it purely from a fan standpoint
2) James is not part of the editorial staff for Pitchfork, so what he said =/= what Pitchfork thinks
I actually think that he has a pretty good article going on, it’s a good intro piece on kpop for non-listeners. I find it funny though that he talked about SNSD a fair bit but didn’t put up their video. But I give props to the man for After School’s Shampoo, that song is underrated, IMO.
Yes…I had an inkling that this was almost like one of those associated blogs where the one person does not reflect the entire Pitchfork. TBH, I’m kinda glad lol. Pitchfork may be uppity but they have their moments and there are people who actually do take them seriously.
Lol! That’s what I thought. I was like…Okay…talking loads about SNSD but no recs for them. Heh. Oh well, I prefer 2NE1 over SNSD any day so I can fly with that.
Yeah, props for 2NE1 and After School but he negated that when he rec’d HyunA’s Bubble Pop lol. That song is just kinda dreadful to me.
But he did have some of that signature Pitchfork vocab going on in the article haha. I do think that the videos he recommended were good examples of what he was talking about though, and they’re songs that the Western audience can probably most appreciate. Plus, if he said “high-budget, attention-grabbing videos” he can’t exactly put SNSD/SuJu videos can he? SM practically lives in a white room with a 360 camera.
I actually can tolerate Bubble Pop if I don’t watch the video LOL. It’s mindless fun, and probably the epitome of bubblegum pop. Not my favourite by far, but not the worst either.
And yeah, he mentioned on seoulbeats that for male artists, his fave would be GD&TOP so I was like, good taste my man, good taste.
With all the news about JYJ and SME reconciliation and this smear campaigns against JYJ, I’ll say my piece by posting some quotes from one of my favorite movie… The Lord of the Rings. I think it’s a perfect metaphor to JYJ’s situation… I hope most of you get what I’m trying to convey.
First, a quote that I think SM believes in:
Gollum: The thieves. The thieves. The filthy little thieves. Where is it? Where is it? They stole it from us. My precious. Curse them. We hates them. It’s ours, it is, and we wants it.
For JYJ:
Galadriel: I give you the light of Eärendil, our most beloved star. May it be a light for you in dark places, when all other lights go out.
Aragorn: Hold your ground, hold your ground! Sons of Gondor, of Rohan, my brothers! I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. An hour of woes and shattered shields, when the age of men comes crashing down! But it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you *stand, Men of the West!*
Arwen: From the ashes, a fire shall be woken. A light from the shadow shall spring. Renewed shall be blade that was broken. The crownless again shall be king(s).
And finally:
Frodo: I can’t do this, Sam.
Sam: I know. It’s all wrong. By rights we shouldn’t even be here. But we are. It’s like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn’t want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it’s only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant something, even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn’t. They kept going. Because they were holding on to something.
Frodo: What are we holding onto, Sam?
Sam: That there’s some good in this world, Mr. Frodo… and it’s worth fighting for.
LOTR is one of my favs too.
I also love Pirates of the Caribbean
Pursuit of Happiness
Remember the Titans
and Finding Nemo ^______^
(ah there’s so many good movies out there)
“But in the end, it’s only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer.”
The darkness will pass. I’m sure! I have faith in this!
“Frodo: What are we holding onto, Sam?
Sam: That there’s some good in this world, Mr. Frodo… and it’s worth fighting for.”
All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king
this has always been one of my favourite poems, since my mom used to read the books to us when we were little kids. And even the first verse is appropriate. JYJ wanders the globe, but are not lost. Their deep roots sunk in the “ground” of our unfailing support will not be reached by SM’s frost, no matter how hard poor ol’ Jack LSM Frost tries 😀
Oh yeah, their “roots” is already too deep that LSM can’t even begin to fathom it’s reach… he try as he might to destroy JYJ but he won’t be able to. In the end, as the poem goes… the crownless again shall be KING(S)!!!!
“Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant something, even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn’t. They kept going. Because they were holding on to something.”
it’s not only for JYJ but for JYJ’s fans who have to deal with all the crappy things in the world.. as they say .. “What couldn’t kill us can only make us stronger”
I always imagine LSM doing the Gollum dialogues for losing JYJ, specially evry time he hears good news for JYJ. But I very much compare him to Dark Lord Sauron himself…
It’s just a rumor spreading around that SME/Avex is now willing to reconcile with the boys but fans are still in doubt about it. It was much discussed in the previous GAPP and there’s a post regarding that if you still haven’t read about it… it was few days ago.
I never read any of LOTR, and I never saw any of the films. But reading the selections you chose, I can see the metphors and how they apply. Nice. I like. 🙂 Thank you for sharing.
Bwa! I love Balloons! When life absolutely kicks me in the metaphorical balls, I break out the big guns and watch Balloons. It never fails to make me smile. I even keep it labeled, “In Case of Emergency…”
Here is the Eng-subbed (click onto the CC button) vid of that Japanese TV program that talked about JYJ and the Ibaraki concert posted recently. (Pls note that the English is not the subber’s native language though nontheless it is very nice of him/her to try and translate it). A more detailed translation is also separately provided by smiley @ OneTVXQ.com below this video:—
“In Heaven”, the new album of JYJ, which was released in Korea in Sept, is causing repercussions.
Jaejoong, Yoochun, and Junsu, who left Tohoshinki because of their problems with the management company, made a new unit JYJ. Though they turned their back to the company and made a new start, the lawsuit with their previous company is still going on, so they were not able to hold live concerts.
In the new album, the members themselves composed and wrote the lyrics for most of the songs, they were participating positively to the production of the album. However, one of the songs in the album “Pierrot” was judged ineligible to broadcast by KBS, and had restrictions in their promotions.
(T/N: the lyrics of Pierrot)
The “p.s.m” phrase in the lyrics is said to be the initials of the President of their previous company, and it was interpreted that the lyrics was slandering an individual person. Thus, KBS judged the song ineligible to broadcast.
They were restricted from appearing in music programs not only in Korea but in Japan, too, and it was doubtful that events would be held. Their difficult situations were continuing for months. Under such difficult circumstances, JYJ’s event in Japan was held for two days without any special publicities. In the venue in Ibaraki, many fans gathered from all over Japan. According to the official announcement, the number was 80 thousand in 2 days!
Fan 1: (T/N: introducing her own name)
Fan 2: (T/N: introducing her own name) I hope that someone can make an environment so that they could promote freely in Japan.
Fan 3: I can feel that they are doing their best even under the current severe conditions, so I would like to support them as long as I can.
Fan 4: I feel that the connection between JYJ and the fans are very strong.
Fan 5: I hope that we can move forward with their love, and also with our love.
For the Japanese fans, the live concert and the new album were received with a flood of emotions. That may speak for the fact that the pre-order for “In Heaven” exceeded over 300 thousand. The album increased its sales, so that the shops had to make a special counter on the day of the release.
Yamamoto: We received a message from a JYJ fan. May I introduce it here?
Furuya: Yes, please.
Y: Sesami-san, 50 years old, a lady. Thank you very much. “I am always enjoying the broadcast. At last, JYJ released their Korean album! Though they haven’t done any promotions, the pre-order exceeded 300 thousand. That means, they are not only popular, but also have the real ability.”
F: It was the hot topics before release that the pre-order exceeded 300 thousand. If the 300 thousand sales is the actual number, the album will be the highest selling album in Korea this year. Of course there are gaps between the shipment and the actual sales number, so we do not know what the final results will be, but it means that the album is in high demand.
Y: Sesami-san also says that she would like to support JYJ’s activities in Japan, but their music videos are not broadcasted, and maybe the fans should feel impatient… I thought so, looking at her message.
F: Basically, their problem is not solved. In this stage, the promotions in both countries may be difficult in many cases.”
Source: 1596jiji
Translation: smiley @ OneTVXQ.com
Special thanks: chara1019
Credits: OneTVXQ.com
Waah thank you for this, they were straight and to the point in what they said so im glad, gaaah hopefully more people in japan start talking about JYJ :3
“I am always enjoying the broadcast. At last, JYJ released their Korean album! Though they haven’t done any promotions, the pre-order exceeded 300 thousand. That means, they are not only popular, but also have the real ability.”
There’s some popular idols group, but some of them not really have the real ability…So talent speak more that just popular by massive publicity.
hey sorry it seems that ive caused quite a stir earlier on the photographers post i just saw the replies just now..i still think it’s kinda strange though..i dont know anything about photographies but the fanpics ive seen looks okay to me..the pic doesnt have to be picture perfect even screen caps would do ive seen a lot of really good hq fancams..im sure fans will not sue if they use those since it’s for jyj..
Hannah – thanks for translating.. sorry if i have offended you in any way please translate more article i appreciate what you all guys do for us
Fanpics were grainy, not good for press printing. And no professional photographer would use a grainy pics for their article, because he would be getting backlash from fans who don’t know the situation, and would deemed it as laziness. A lot of things that factor in as to why they won’t use it. And actually, so far, I haven’t seen any group pic of JYJ for the concert that looks passable. Fancams is different from taking pictures.
If I remembered correctly, the press were stationed on the 2nd level of the building? With the bad lighting, the dome, and JYJ was all over the place interacting with their fans, it would be understandable that they couldn’t get a good group pic. They don’t have a problem taking individual pic, but for group pics, it look a bit hard.
You can say that they can zoom in though they are far away. It doesn’t work like that. It’s harder to take group pics when you’re at a high place, looking down. The concert stage is big for 3 and dancers, with a half dome like structure. JYJ were placed far apart. If to get 3 in one frame, from the distant of the photographers, they would get the whole stage, as well as some audiences, that would make JYJ look tiny in a picture. It won’t look good, because that picture would be deemed all over the place, there is no focal point. So it’s better from a high point, far from the stage, to just take the whole area. Stage, fans. So you can get a focal point of the blotch of red, then the stage. That’s why you see a lot of fan pics.
And it’s obvious that they can zoom in, to only one or two members at a time. Since JYJ boys did went around the stage, far apart from each other to interact with fans. You can see it in fancams.
I don’t know if all press were on the 2nd level? Or some on the ground. If there were some on the ground, then those on the ground must’ve been enjoying the concert instead of taking pictures. It’s easier to take group pics on the same level, close distant.
Anyway, you can try go to a high building with a group of friends, ask them to spread out, then you look down on them and see if you can take a good group pic on it. And when you developed the picture, see if it’s a good pic to publish.
No we’re not even talking about the press here, it’s the organizer who did not have pictures of jyj..
they should know the venue coz they are the one who chose it in the first place..their excuse of not having a pic together because the boys are dancing too hard sounds pretty lame to me..if they are not able to take the pic because of limitation on the location that it’s too near etc they should have found a better place where they could take that pic if they really wanna do their job..since the back part was pretty empty they could have just went down the pit and stood on a seat or a stool and took that one pic
anyway it’s not even important anymore coz it’s already done..
just one note and then I’ll leave this alone: even with the high tech cameras, there are limitations on the viewing ability with the photo on the camera. Once you get the image off onto the computer, many times a pic you ~thought~ was great on the camera turns out to be fuzzy, wrong thing in focus, etc. And I bet the photographers shot the concert and then started looking at the shots, cause unless the team was large enough, it’s hard to do both (shoot and proof the pics).
I agree that the organizers should have known their venue, but since the photographers are the same guys that did the photography on their american tour, i’d have to assume that they tried their best and it was just an unfortunately set of circumstances that ended with this result. Thank god that for OUR (fans) purposes, fancams and fanpics are sufficient 😀
whoops, sorry missed the last sentence in the fist paragraph: “…cause unless the team was large enough, it’s hard to do both (shoot and proof the pics). You need at least three people per camera if you’re doing live proofing: one photographer, one runner to shuttle cards, and one proofer to dump the card to computer and proof the pics.”
Press here is Photographers/organizer. They said they don’t have a pic of JYJ together while dancing onstage. Doesn’t mean they don’t have a pic of JYJ together when at off time. They meant no dancing pics of JYJ together.
And they obviously don’t know before hand that something like this gonna happen. And it’s not like it’s easy for JYJ to pick venues. More like the venues pick them now, and not the other way around. Maybe they did but the pictures didn’t turn out as they wanted. Sometimes, with a roll of 1000 pics, professional with standard would discard them all if he doesn’t find one he like. And the problem is simply JYJ dancing. They can’t take a pic of them together dancing. They want a pic of the 3 dancing. Not even posing, but dancing. Like the one from Ibaraki.
Sorry, just wanted you to understand what the article was talking about, and their reason is not that off, take into consideration of the venue that I’ve seen from fancam.
Today’s gif is wonderful! I love jyj’s concert bow signature. It is hearthwarming. Don’t ever change please, dear JYJ! Instead, please don’t ever stop to improve, and to be better.
Dear @BAF sis, read your discussion with jyjfanboy in yesterday Gap. I m getting old..or forgetful, for what I know was that..JYJ Cjes..cancelled the Indonesia and Singapore scheduled concert..Malaysia was never in the list, yes, initial plan it did, but Redstar decided not too…and it rumor to, SM to held concert for Suju in Msia. You don’t know how we were bashed by Suju fan coz a rumor that SM not happy with Redstar organizing JYJ concert and maybe Suju concert will cancelled. That period of time…fan were sadden..but still support our beloved JYJ. Sorry if I m wrong.
hi ladies^^
to all muslim ‘selamat hari raya aidiladha’
btw im happy rn…2mrw night im going back to my hometown… hoorayyyy!!!!
finally i can runaway frm uni life for a week… XDDD
but a holiday w a lot of assignments to do O_o”””
to people who r ad graduating n working, i jz want to say that ‘im jealos w u all!!!!!!’
Wishing you a happy holiday!
Enjoy your rest! Balance out the homework and JYJ fangirling~ 😉
I’m also a college student, so I know how you feel!
Second semester in the Philippines starts next week… so got a lot of studying to do again! 😦 Meanwhile, I’m enjoying the final days of semestral break!
uni life is hard… T___T
i thought if we r in uni we r free to do things we want… but surely i have to enjoy my life as uni student..
but what makes me more sad, there r no handsome boys in my class… LOL XDDD
Truly, it is! I used to have the same thinking when I was in high school. I thought in Uni we can just cut all our classes and still get high grades… but we all learned the hard way.
HAHAHA Awwww, Love! How about imagining JYJ instead? That will keep you inspired to study! :>
I don’t like kids…. I love them! 😀
My best friend is also taking up Pharmacy! Is it safe to say that she’s also a modern witch? HAHA! 😉 Wow, that’s such a hard course! Lots of Chemistry subjects *___*
i have 4 niece n 3 nephew but still i dun know how to be close w them.. haha
yeah a lot of bio+chem n need to learn bout bussiness too.. =_=” luckily we dun have math courses…
i really3 hate math… so ur friend also modern witch too??? hahaha
HAHA Yes, my best friend is a modern witch… that can cure sick people! Like you, someday! 😀
Don’t worry, you’ll make it through! My friend and I are graduating in one and a half years. We’re making it through, so I bet you also will. Good luck! 😀
please click “LIKE” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9EFJz-9L0M&feature=youtu.be&a
anties is at it again. if you guys ntice, its always JYJ japan-related clip on youtube get so many dislike, more than korea-relate. the anties group in japan at it again, sighhhh
Hai, happy idul adha to you too. I’m jealous at you because tomorrow I won’t be able to go back to my hometown since I must stick in my workplace. So I guess it is fair, you are jealous at me and I am jealous at you lol.. But one thing for sure, just enjoy your college time, it is a precious moment. Sure you will get your dreamjob if you study hard and work hard to pursue it.
haha… its ok!!!^^
yeah i cant wait to graduate->work… but im starting to worried rn bcz my specialize field is almost saturated in d country/.. i have to compete w a lot of people if i want to get d job. cant rely on d government anymore… ~sigh
yeah… i still have 3 more years to graduate^^ its too early to worried bout that.. i need to study harder so i can compete w other people… n as long as i still get my scholarship i can enjoy my life… XDDD
[TRANS] 17th Korea Musical Awards – JYJ Kim Junsu drew attention through the musicals “Tears of Heaven” and “Mozart”, and is garnering interest (from the public) to see if he can once again win the popularity award. (src: TVREPORT)
PS I have read over the convo in the last GAP and I’ve missed out on it. Real life WAYLT?
“Junsu, his manager and yoochun were inside a shop so we decided to see through the shop window and wait. We tried to be calm like nothing was happening because we don’t want to disturb them. But when we looked back, Yoochun was behind us smoking, looking at us and smiling like,” I know you are fans, girls.”
the quotes from Ralph Waldo Emerson
“Real action is in silent moments.”
“To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children…to leave the world a better place…to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is to have succeeded.”
“To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment.”
another quotes :
I have always thought the actions of men the best interpreters of their thoughts.- John Locke
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Quincy Adams
Honest hearts produce honest actions.-Brigham Young
True freedom is where an individual’s thoughts and actions are in alignment with that which is true, correct, and of honor – no matter the personal price.Bryant H. McGill
You prove your worth with your actions, not with your mouth.-Jean Paul
Those that are the loudest in their threats are the weakest in their actions.-Charles Caleb Colton
He who busies himself with things other than improvement of his own self becomes perplexed in darkness and entangled in ruin. His evil spirits immerse him deep in vices and make his bad actions seem handsome. – Ali ibn Abi Talib
I think I want to change my username to *silent warriors*……………………… JYJ DAE to the BAK. Great thing about JYJ’s success, they aren’t plastered EVERYWHERE but they are still achieving success. That’s like a stab to SME and friends. XD
MTE I love the group’s dynamics! It’s so refreshing loving all three of the adorkable dorks XD And when this pic came out it was my all time fav of JYJ pics~
Oh lord another sh*tstorm
RT: @JYJtack
always thought @Asahi is somewhat respectful.. Can’t believe Asahi wrote JYJ article representing one-sided story n ignoring neural facts
[참가부탁] 한미FTA로 나라에 우환이 가득한 가운데 짬을 내 신경써 주셨으면 하는 일이 있습니다.
11월 1일자 아사히신문은 지면과 웹에서 [동방신기 5인의 재결합을 바라지 않는 팬이 있는 이유]로 3명에 대해서는 ‘안티성 자료에 기반을 둔 부정적인면만’ 부풀리고, 2명에 대해서는 ‘부정적인 면을 거의 배제’한 기사를 실었습니다.
[625집회를 알게 된 이후, “2명이 배신했다”라고 해석한 3명에게 거부감이 들어서 다섯의 재결합을 반대한다],[이미 3명은 아티스트가 되어서 딱히 다섯의 재결합을 바라지 않는다]라는 의견을 인용했는데요. 해당 기사의 작성자 스스로가 2막의 팬이라 밝힌 바, 기사의 근원이 되는 자료 수집이 지극히 편파적이고 한정적일 수 밖에 없습니다.
이에 [내가 동방신기 5인의 재결합 바라지 않는 이유]로 팬들의 생생한 의견을 정중히 보내보는 건 어떠십니까? 앉아서 떠먹여주는 친절한 자료조사! 물론, 언론으로서 공정함을 저버린 [편파와 루머 보도에 대한 항의]를 따로 해주셔도 좋을 듯 합니다. 기사의 피드백이니 소중히 받을거라 믿어 의심치 않습니다. 다양한 의견을 듣고 새로운 시각으로 색다른 판단을 하실 수 있게 될지도 모르니까요! (멘션 언어는 한,영,일 상관없을 듯^^)
참고로, 아사히 신문(@asahi ) 사회면 (@asahi_shakai ) 아사히웹 WEBRONZA (@webronza ) WEBRONZA 편집장(@isshikikiyoshi ) 등등 의견교류의 창구가 많네요^^
My little understanding of Korean is that JYJ betrayed their “2 brothers” and that they spread hateful messages and defamed the innocent “2 brothers” referring to the 6.25 meeting (which again was like 2 freaking YEARS ago -_-) And that JYJ fans does not wish for a TVXQ reunion (because all we ever do is bash TVXQ *rolleyes*)
me too quite shock when i read that asashi d one who wrote this…
but theres nothing impossible rn… with money u can do anything inc throw away ur moral n humanism aside… rn d world seems keep moving backward… ~sigh~
but why they attack JYJ fans??? i guess they want to pour oil into d fire between OT5 vs JYJ fans..
This is getting repetitive I swear! Every FREAKING time JYJ pawned SME and friends this same shit from someone write these kinds of articles. We, JYJ fans shouldn’t only be the ones keeping up to date with CORREC/ACCURATE info and evidence. It’s also their jobs to research ACCURATE info/evidence before they do this bogus crap. Wonder how much SM/AVEX paid them this time. GQ Korea is already SME’s friend so now Asahi has joined SME and friends. *sighs*
(@Widmung_01)
Just to update what’s happening here and in Japan.
Fans in JPN/KOR are making complaints to Asahi @asahi as it wrote an article based on rumors what JYJ’s antis (I’d say HoTels) say. It quoted an opinion that “I oppose the reunification of the five members because I was repulsed by the three members who considered the other two as betrayers after I heard about the 625 meeting”. and how could possible a nationwide newspaper write such rumor without any filtering? @asahi_shakai @isshikikiyoshi
This is what hotels always saying and I’m sick of hearing the word 625 meeting.
It was not about someone betrayed or not, and you will see the whole script on http://mission4jyj.wordpress.com/.
I cannot help but wonder that something is behind this as this is sooo alike what hotels and SM say all the time.
Please show your protest to Asahi, as they seriously tried to damage JYJ reputation in JPN.
Or could it be retaliation because Sejong is not biting? Either way, the only thing they are really going to do is muck up their own side. They should remember, actions have consequences.
just wondering if this about the 625 meeting then can we give the truth of 625 meeting to @ASAHI ?
i am sure we have it in JYJfiles also if i’m not mistaken our site also have it
here the link of those articles in JYJfiles http://thejyjfiles.wordpress.com/2011/02/10/the-6-25-meeting-summary-and-explanation/
anyone in here have a link to ASAHI ?
sorry @thebankofjyj i don’t know that u has post the link of the 625 meeting in above
actually i’m not gonna surprise if there are some bad rumor gonna spread after our boys success because it was always happen but i believe that our boys can handle it with their own way n of course the support n help from their fans too at least for this case for give a public some truth n fact about the case
because i’ a believer so i also believe that even though those people gonna try spread a lies but God never sleep, God knew everything n i’m sure the truth gonna reveal soon one by one till there are nothing left
Sounds fishy..
Anyway I’m glad if they will not be reunited EVER !!!!
Who wants to join with some haters fan .. imagine we have to share the same fandom with them ? andwaeee…
My conciousness doesn’t allowed it.
There will always be people trying to damage the boy’s reputation so it’s something that we shouldn’t put much stress into, considering their lack of reliable sourcing in the article. I want it to be translated in English though, just to get a feel of how off they are in their story. The reporter is probably sinking in the fan’s hoards of complaints. I’ve always been under the impression that Bigeast hasn’t been receiving the correct materials and news from the fandom and getting dragged into those rumors.
Hm…This suspicious..after 2 years??? I guess Asashi just open the internet this years to get the info.( Well seemed like HoTel girls won with their tactic this time. Even got supported by big media..-_-!”.).I mean after the SM/A lawsuit news yestarday suddenly we got news like this…I assumed now they want to use psychological games with the fans. It’s seemed they want to used public and pushed JYJ to the corner……In Korea the fans stand behind JYJ and demand GQ apologizes on they next edition…….It worked…Our JYJ boys and our JYJ japan fans friends need our voice to help them now… As JYJ fans, We also have our part on this…..GIve us the twitter name or anything to reach this stupid media..grrrrrr…….They talked about 625? Fine…let’s talk about this meeting with them ..Lets educate them with this 625 thingy….
thebankofjyj:
your posts are always so attacking.
Asahi has written plenty of positive articles about JYJ, lately also about Jaejoong’s drama. And now when they include a few quotes (yes, direct quotes from people who are obviously not JYJ fans), you say the newspaper is corrupt. Oh PLEASE.
I understand that you want to have everything always positive about your idols, but it’s not possible for a newspaper to only have one opinion. And the quotes were clearly stated a quotes, so.. feel free to send feedback that you don’t agree with person X’s opinions.
Please also feel free to mention that you actually haven’t even seen, never mind read, the original article, but have all your information from a 3rd hand translation.
I am a JYJ fan and I support them wholeheartedly, but sometimes, quite often, this blog has numerous entries that are not thought-through at all and are so ready to crucify everyone and anyone – based on a 3rd or 4th party’s opinion and translation (that, as we’ve seen, are often very wrongly translated).
Nevermind the rumors and blowing them off proportion.
It makes people like me not want to read the contents, although we’d very much like to discuss things too.
Nothing wrong if you want to say your opinion, everyone have a freedom but why using some source from JYJ anti fans…a jurnalist doing something like this..tsk..tsk..this is a big fail and they are not only speak but also posting their opinion in articel with that source from JYJ anti fans..sigh..i can’t understand this ?
oh, I don’t know…could it POSSIBLY be because the writer was trying to find out why there were people who oppose THSK5’s reunion in the first place? because, she is looking at the whole mess very objectively and needs people’s opinions for that….
so for someone in a blog to say that it’s a journalism fail…. oh really……
The article has FOUR parts:
1. THSK/JYJ before and after the break up – general view
2. the too wide range of fans’ standpoints about THSK/JYJ – general view
3. Looking into why there are fans who do not wish for THSK5’s reunion
4. the writer’s comment to people who want THSK5 to continue their activities
so, you have jpass ID and actually read the full story (not just the first section that is up on the link that Shangri posted above. Which is a very good general views, yes, on the before- and after.)? And you still think that way? I’m confused.
ah ok…this is what i feel by the way,
I can speak japanes and i’m afraid some one like me already feed up with just like shangri said rumor and misstranslation can you trans the whole this japanes articel to english so we can understand.
And do they really add something like this in that articel ? do they ask JYJ fans view too ? coz this is feel like the writer didn’t look at the whole mess very objectively.
“It quoted an opinion that “I oppose the reunification of the five members because I was repulsed by the three members who considered the other two as betrayers after I heard about the 625 meeting”
anyway i dont have a problem with the other opinion just something like this.
First thanks for the link to the original article.
We all should be careful. I agree you see this phenom in much of the K-pop fandom. I call it Viral Pseudo news, that relies on the he said… she said, where people often don’t ask for the source of the information and even if they have a source they don’t read the article for themselves.
It goes like …. well I heard from Mike, who heard it from Jane, who heard it from Bill. And when you ask Bill what newspaper did he read the story … Bill says oh I never read the story, I read it on twitter I think…. Well when did Twitter become a trusted source for truth? The other issue is the translation from Korean to English. I now go to several websites to read the english translations because, the skill of each translator is different. By reading a variety of versions of the article you get a better understanding of what the writer was trying to convey or what the person being interviewed was really trying to say.
The bottom line is we need to ask for the source, read it for ourselves and then we can have an informed discussion about the issue. Anyway, thanks for the article link.
Perhaps someone can kindly translate and provide subs for this article in its entirety so we can clear up any rumors or misinterpretations? That will be most helpful indeed. Even IF it turns out to be a negative article, it’s always good to know all the facts. After all, Knowing thy enemy is a time-tested battle strategy that’s helped won many a war.
At the end of the day, everyone here who considers himself/herself a JYJ fan all have our love and support for JYJ as the common denominator—-its the ONLY one that should matter, right?
So if we strip away all our cultural/linguistic/bias/semantics differences and subvert our pride-egos for a while, we really ARE all on the SAME side here.
Contrary to most other kpop fandom, JYJ-family is unique in that our make-up is across a much wider age-gender range (as opposed to only tween-teens fangirls). Accordingly, many here fall into the college-age to professional working demographics who—-as a result of their greater life-seasoning/experience, social-intelligence and emotional maturity—-often tend to possess strong opinions and are not afraid to voice them either in defense of JYJ’s mistreatment or of the truth in general.
Please don’t let the noisy outside detractors divert us from our path or divide us through frivolous in-fighting. Stay focused and keep your eyes on the prize. Everyone’s input here can be invaluable if we exercise prudence and wisdom.
I’ve always felt welcomed here and truly believe that there’s always room for anyone with sincerity here at the JYJ3 table.
Sigh~
Guys, calm down a bit ok?
@Shangri Thanks so much for te new info and sorry if it was not accurate it’s just that so many bad things have been said about JYJ. We are in defensive-mode… and the way to have information about JYJ is very limited for a lot of fans that can not understand korean nor japanese.
It would be great if you could translate the article so we could ‘judge’ it in a wiser way.
Thank you.
Actually thanks for taking the time to read my “attacking post” =_= If you have read my post, I quoted a Korean fan and got the info from Korean fans on twitter. If you have a problem then take it up with them before you bark up the wrong tree. They did not post up the link to the original article so I guess that’s the only thing I’ll say thanks for but other than that don’t come at me with this insane fangirl attitude that you think I have. Because I don’t but once something bad happens to JYJ and JYJ fans I will always defend them. So my attacking posts will continue on. Feel free to continue following me and my rabid posts though.
My problem with your posts in general is that they’re 3rd hand translated information – at best.
And so the fact value is not high.
And still you post it like it 100% true and add fueling comments to them.
Of course you want to “defend” your idols… but what if there’s nothing to defend and you’re barking up the wrong tree… should the other party’s fans then come and demand an apology from you because you wrote wrongly about them? Or write bad comments about the entire community because that’s what you’ve done more than once?
Spreading halftruths or completely false information… don’t you think it would be wise to check if it’s legit first?
I believe it could be considered a kind of trolling.
Feel free to continue with your….posting style…, just wanted to say that it doesn’t give a good image of JYJ international fandom.
“just wanted to say that it doesn’t give a good image of JYJ international fandom.”
LOL. Please point out to me what fandom has a good image. None. SNSD, SuJu, KARA, 2NEI,TVXQ/Homin etc. fandoms don’t have a “good” image either if I take one person’s posts and somehow suggest that it is representative of everyone as you seem to be doing. I say inflammatory things but…..meme or Sapphire (and some other members here) for example don’t. Who is more representative of the JYJ fandom? Me or them? If we all belong to the JYJ fandom it doesn’t mean we all necessarily have the same stance or the same manner of expressing ourselves. Our common focus is our love of JYJ not making a kumbaya-society.
How about the ladies in Vietnam who set up the “JYJ Family Vietnam Charity Foundation”. Why don’t you think about them when you mention “representation” in the JYJ fandom? You discriminate and are as biased as anyone else so kindly get off your little high horse.
Everyone is so obsessed with looking “good.” We have silly fanwars and dumb discussions and not-so-great moments like any other fandom. So? Gonna sue or something? People who dislike us don’t give a damn about finding out “good” things. They are stuck in their point of view and I am not going to censor myself to make you happy and neither should the bankofjyj. She is really cool.
“OMG! Don’t say that! You make us look bad!” Whatever lady. If you can’t stand the heat….get out of the kitchen.
@MIA2:
That was uncalled for. No matter what, she had a valid point of finding out sources before we rattle off on “the big bad wolves.” Yes, we have occasional silly fan wars, doesn’t mean we cant right that-if we have the resources. i don’t see this high horse that she is riding on. Like you said, not everyone agrees with everyone’s point of view (like i don’t yours now), and just coz you think a person is cool for thinking this way (bankofjyj), not everyone has to think so.
MIA2;
It seems you think it’s “cool” to post false rumors and add even more inflammatory comments about them and watch how other people, who do not have the resources to confirm or dismiss add even more heated comments. Nevermind encouraging others to send angry messages to X because of what they’ve published.. even though no one really knows what X’s article said in the first place.
Ah well, each to their own.
I myself find your definition of “cool” odd.
Personally, I do not care how you want JYJ’s international fans to be portrayed.
But I would like to belong to a community that is known for being friendly and positive – not rumor-spreading and ill-mannered.
I do not have anything to do with any other fandoms you mentioned – nor do I care about those. Reason above.
You see me giving critique you obviously aren’t comfortable with – but is it really wrong of me to not support what I (and, I would like to think a normal fan too) consider bad features of a fandom?
Not everyone wants their fandom to be as _scandalous_ as some.
“Whole a lot of noise about nothing/Crying wolf” vs. “Raising your voice when it matters.” is also one way to look at it; especially with JYJ’s current situation.
Frankly, the comments in this post, your personally insulting one included, have reminded me exactly why I used to stay away from international fansites. And also why I can’t see myself returning to this one.
Keep your kitchen; one day you might find yourself there all alone.
Let’s put it this way… let’s all agree to disagree.
This a site that every type of personality come to have dialogues, express opinions and most of the time have fun and spazz about JYJ. To everyone: Conflict is cannot be avoided due to language barriers, personalities and ideals but let’s not shoot each other in the foot…
@jyjfanboy
“Let’s put it this way… let’s all agree to disagree.”
I always find that’s a good way to go. I’m of the opinion that reasonable men and women differ. We all enjoy the benefits of a lively dialog here, there are many extremely intelligent and perceptive people here and we simply can’t and don’t agree on everything. That’s fine, reasonable differences are an acceptable fact of life. Personally I found that it helped to get to know people here a bit too. Certain of us have very different styles of communication. Before just diving in and taking personal offense, I think sometimes it helps to lay back and just observe for a while and see who your “natural group of like minds” are.
From personal experience I can say that I’ve grown to love the rabble-rousers every bit as much as the diplomats here. Quite frankly, when the going gets rough and the shit hits the fan, I find comfort (and back up!) in having several of both types on our side of the barricades and I think shangri and W007 might feel that way too in time. What we DON’T want here is fanwar-type activity. It helps no one, nobody ever changes anybody’s mind and furthermore, I don’t think there’s ever anything much to be learned when people are just venting, except maybe how futile it all is.
U make a valid point, I personally wish I cud read japanese so I could decide if the article is indeed full of slander agaonst JYJ……..its just jusging from that quote, its kind of alarming bc its really extreme, I guess bc JYJ arent being talked about in japanese media and they arent or cant go on tv for interviews, and they havent been active in japan for almoat a year now, there is no possibility for jyj to come forth and tell their side of the story,leaving the general public with a bad impression. Then again, I havent read the whole article bc I cant so im curious.
Then please explain why Japanese fans are angry at Asahi? They are Japanese, and know Japanese, don’t read shit like 3rd hand translation?
Surely, through logic and common sense, there is a reason for why Japanese fans are angry at Asahi when this article was out. That’s all I care for, that Japanese fans were angry at it. And the article you link is in Japanese. I can’t read Japanese. And you just translated briefly what’s in Japanese for us. How would I believe that you’re not dooping us? I’ll just believe that the Japanese fans are angry at Asahi for a reason. Because there must be something wrong for a group of people to be angry after reading an article about their idols in their own language.
Sigh~
Guys, calm down a bit ok?
@Shangri Thanks so much for te new info and sorry if it was not accurate it’s just that so many bad things have been said about JYJ. We are in defensive-mode… and the way to have information about JYJ is very limited for a lot of fans that can not understand korean nor japanese.
It would be great if you could translate the article so we could ‘judge’ it in a wiser way.
Thank you..
I’m native Japanese and read the article.
It wasn’t a news article but a opinion column by a woman associate professor named Tomomi Shibuya. According to her wiki page she is a great fan of TVXQ and her hobby is watching TVXQ DVDs. *rolls eyes* http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%BE%81%E8%B0%B7%E7%9F%A5%E7%BE%8E
It was a short column but she said something like “JYJ should give a proper explanation about the 625 meeting. As for people who want to know what the 625 meeting is, I can’t explain it all here so come look here. (link to a pay to view site).”
I haven’t read the pay to view article ( I certainly don’t want to give her money for writing BS articles) but anyone with an ounce of objectivity should know that the 625 stuff is a bunch of nonsense cooked up by crazy Homin fans. And to bring it up now and saying that JYJ should explain shows she’s pretty deluded.
I have a feeling that Asahi wasn’t purposely putting a one-sided column based on rumor in their paper but rather failed to check. I mean non-fans have no idea what 625 is and the editor probably didn’t think it was that big of a deal.
Oh! Thank you!!! So it’s like that.
6.25 meeting *sigh* it was so many time ago. and to tell the truth, it’s not relevant. Really. most of that were said there were things that the people already guessed without the ‘help’of this meeting .And the the tone of whole thing were just assumptions … anything was assured there.
After JYJ successful concert in Japan and Europe. Shits are now being spew without sources. So please. Don’t believe in them. This shit always happen when JYJ get success. I’m so god damn tired of it.
almost of us has used with this situation right ? when our boys has gain success, those people (i’m sure u guys know who i’m talking about ) gonna spread some bad rumor…it was always happen but like the quotes said : action is more loud than a words….beside our boys has prove it many times through their interview n people also can see or watch in YT (knee drop guru with the other two as their guest) who is the one that speak about lies n who is the betrayal also speak a bad thing about our boys
sorry if i must used this words because they are the first one who talk about betrayal so i just copied it from them so don’t feel offended with my comment n i’m gonna stop in here before i speak some more harsh word which i really try not to do that anymore, i also don’t have any purpose to create some fan wars in here because i just wanna let it out
Oh dear…again. Someone has been very busy lately…giving shit story again and again. Rumor rumor rumor….lie lie lie…. I felt like a bomb was thrown a me on ‘Conciliation’issues yesterday and now this. Half of my sensible brain still hurt after attending industrial law and employment ordinance….trying to get the lawyer on d my reasonable doubt clear with JYJ -conciliation since morning. Need to sleep….yet I m mad..this is totally ‘Defamation’ and ‘Discrimation’ of media publicly toward JYJ.
what the ? i’m sick of these b***shits ! why they cant just leave boys alone ? please can someone make a formal statement against this newspaper ? can we ask cjes to make move legally and end to this shit once for ever ?
This is getting ridiculous and its just making it more obvious how pressed SME and Avex are. On the upside, every non-fan that reads up on JYJ’s misfortunes becomes a die-hard JYJ supporter so I guess we’ll see even more new JYJ fans after this onslaught LOL.
I know, right?
There are new fans of JYJ that became fans after the split of DBSK.
I kinda was a fan of them when they were 5, but I’ve became a die-hard fan of JYJ after they split. 😀
I don’t know who Clara Orti is (sassech is her on twitter). She just tweeted a photo of the boys at the last night in Barcelona. here is the link: http://yfrog.com/nzbapuj
I asked her if the boys still do their vocal training. as I know they are so busy, but I always wanted to know that. so I asked her and she replied that: yes, still do
that is nice to know
Three points that HM stans keep attacking JYJ with (despite the rumor mill they’ve been on since July 31 2009 <.<)
1. JYJ "The" didn't sell enough. Means they don't have as many fans as ppl thought!
2. People keep saying that JYJ will have a career in music after 30 years of age, but HM have high IQs and they can get a master degree in business and start their own business after 30 too.
3.THSK in 2010 sold 86,000 + it's first week while 2VXQ sold 100K -113K (?) so 2VXQ doesn't need JYJ!
My answers to these twits are
1. JYJ's (JJY) "The" was NOT promoted. They didn't do the amount of promotion HM did (train ads +100000 other promotions they did for Tone) For w/e reasons also they didn't ATTACH the THSK name though it will always be attached with them -_-. So tell me after all this how would JYJ have made a huge splash with NO promotions with a MINI album? As compared to a FULL album with promotion? Please do educate me ^O^
2. Ah the high IQs HM stans are so proud of…… (though I believe it's all a ploy to make them sound educated) what have they done or are doing with this supposedly "high IQ"? Let me reiterate what JYJ have done and are doing. Currently JYJ have their own businesses and at that gaining experience. I believe they will be the business moguls out of the 5. They've already started and they are not even 30 years old yet! Jaejoong has one of the best, if not the best articles when he is interviewed? He almost sounds like a philosopher. Also JYJ can play pianos (ALL 3), isn't that in itself an attribute to high IQs? Thank heavens JYJ do not brag about their IQs because then us JYJ fans will be superficial if they did.
3. This one is the one that gets a ………………………. from me -_- THSK in Japan last year were not promoting AT ALL. That in itself is an accomplishment because ZERO promotions were done for them in 2010. They don't seem to understand that their oppas ARE plastered everywhere and they only sold 20K + more than THSK5 did last year with NO promotions. Actually with this logic they shouldn't be so proud of this because Bigeast are very loyal plus they do not want to lose to SNSD.
I know this will get wank from HM stansand OT5) but the concrete proof of what has and did happen need to be engraved into their system so they can stop belittling JYJ.
The HM stans obviously will try to defame JYJ to try to make their oppars better. It’s ok, let them live in their own world and we support ours. Time will tell everything lol.
How come they never mention oppars failing all their dramas so far??? So much for having high IQs.
It seems like the HM fans are just like SM, stalking JYJ and try to defame JYJ whenever possible.
They’re insecure because they know deep in their hearts that HM are INFERIOR to JYJ. When they were 5, even a non-fan would notice who among them had sublime musical artistry.
I wonder how HM felt when they heard the news about Yoochun being in the top 5 list of richest stars in their 20’s… rage, envy, regret?…
Some of those HM stans I’ve encountered are a bunch of ignoramus anyway. No matter how much you explain it to them logically, they just wouldn’t get it. It’s like talking to a wall so it’s better to ignore them.
Actually those statements are just sign of insecurity and jealousy, and even themselves are not too convinced that their Kings are doing great thus they need some kind of confirmation, just let them be. As long as Jae-Chun-Su are having great time taking vacation in Europe while having concerts to meet their European fans, and enjoying their multi dollar homes and boat and cars and soon….who needs those figures of sales and ranking in charts and trophies in awards?
About #3 …have they seen the statement of accounts of the current 2hsk, or do they have any idea what debit, credit, profit mean?, I think they only look at the sales and the Oricon ranking and the media releases, they better look at other items first before bragging around. Anyway, just leave those kids to take their time to grow their minds.
@Kris
“Actually those statements are just sign of insecurity and jealousy, and even themselves are not too convinced that their Kings are doing great thus they need some kind of confirmation, just let them be. ”
Absolutely agree. Leave them alone. Their fans are not them. I’m sure they are doing the best that they can. It’s tragic that within the SM idol system most of the money they make goes to “expenses”, “reimbursements” and then is payable to them perhaps only as a few percentage points of the net. All the evidence isn’t in yet about those high I.Q.s, but I would imagine that they’ve realized that even with all of the threatened SM retaliation fully in play for their ex-group-mates, the members of JYJ made the Pure Genius Move 2 years ago and they threw snake eyes.
Yes, they have a splashy, high profile career right now, no question. From the outside looking in, especially to young teenagers who haven’t left home yet, they look successful. What the teens don’t know is that all that splash costs heaps of CASH. Homin are literally spending it as fast as they make it, because all expenses come off the top. They get what’s left, ALLEGEDLY, and baby, I can tell you right now, that aint much.
Meanwhile their lesser I.Q. brothers across the aisle are all millionaires by now, all actively looking for their next investment. People–do you have any idea how PAINFUL this must be for Homin to have to think about?? Kiddie opinions aside, they must be in ANGUISH about the terrible decision they made. No wonder they won’t speak to the guys.
In my opinion, while IQ tests are potentially useful for gauging and measuring one’s intelligence, they are not without fault because the overall sum of one’s intelligence is somewhat arbitrary. One person may be strong academically whilst the other is not, but academic astuteness does account for the entire whole of their smarts. HoMin are perhaps intelligent in certain areas, they are not without mistakes & nor can they always make the ‘right’ decisions (ah, but who are we judge?)… They have their weaknesses as well. For what HoMin lacks JYJ compensates & vice versa. There are different forms of intellect. Perhaps not as scholarly as the pair, it does not necessarily mean JYJ are any less intellectual in their capabilities. Although they are not without fault either (e.g. as they too are often swept away by emotion), from what I have observed in their interviews and such, JYJ have displayed astounding maturity in both emotional facilities and philosophical ways.
@Claudelle
” Perhaps not as scholarl y as the pair, it does not necessarily mean JYJ are any less intellectual in their capabilities.”
I had a slight intake of breath at this statement, I admit. Has ANYONE, ever been able to demonstrate in any way Yunho’s “scholarly” tendencies??? Let alone Changmin’s? Honestly, the very thought of it is ludicrous.
@lilibaiyu Worry not! For the term, ‘scholarly,’ I was referring to these supposed scores in their academic life as far as I know. To be honest, I haven’t thought of them as the ‘scholarly’ type per se or demonstrate the abilities that are supposed come along with it to my knowledge O~O…
A high IQ is meaningless if you do not go to your full potential. It is not an indicator to how successful a person is in their career or personal life.
A person can have an extremely high IQ yet be an utter sloth and where will that take them? Nowhere. High IQ is not a good justification at all.
I think I don’ t have a problem seeing JYJ soaring high as a fulfilled musicians and artists and seasoned businessmen, after 30 ,(since they have lower IQ, lol) and seeing those 2 being a college instructor or a neophyte businessmen with their “high IQ!”
I’d rather be a STREET SMART than a BOOK SMart. Here in the US, there are successful college drop outs who earn way more than those degree holders. JYJ are street smart. They know what they want and they go after it. In this world, you have to dream big and be assertive. If you choose to be otherwise, then you are TOAST. You will be a LAP DOG all your life (in layman’s term “loser”). Anyone can have a high IQ if they’re studious in school. Just sayin’. I know Chun’s IQ is over a hundred too like HM. JJ and JS just have lower IQs since they don’t like school I think.
Those so-called “IQ”‘s are just a label on paper in IMO. I dislike citing the term ‘high/low IQ’ because it makes JYJ sound… unintelligent or less than they are. Book-smart means nothing if you can’t apply it in the real worlds
In their interviews as DB5K before, I was always fascinated by JYJ’s (especially JJ and YC) interviews. They got substance in their answers. It’s poetic at times. While I find HM’s bland, especially H. I find his statements nonsensical plus he’s not even funny. Such a bore.
@fleur
“A high IQ is meaningless if you do not go to your full potential. It is not an indicator to how successful a person is in their career or personal life.”
Oh, man, do you ever have THAT right! My brother and sister are the poster children for THAT being true! lol
High I.Q. often means…. mental problems, among other things.
Just wanna say, the high IQ they bragged about are probably from the scipt in variety shows that talked about it and not the true results…If you wanna talk about intelligence, look at how JYJ talk about life in general from their interviews..Also, it takes more than an IQ to adapt and make it best out of life…
high iq =/= wisdom, and I’ll take wisdom any day. We already that JYJ has that in busloads. And ya, a little something something tells me they ain’t no dummies neither!
Sigh~
1. everyone have their own opinion about the future. We can only guess about it.
But I find really lame to use something as the future (wich is not sure at all) just to put down the effort of JYJ.
2. JYJ and the other artists situation were/are totally different and the ‘results’ can’t be compared without taking in consideration a lot of things.
PD. My dear fellow JYJers . Please, I beg you, Let’s NOT become like that too. It’s not necesary to put down other people to acknowledge JYJ’s value.
And use ‘some’ please… not all their fans but ‘some’ ..
I don’t give a damn about what people say about JYJ anymore. It’s ok, the more they get attacked, the more people will know about them and get curious. They can be the underdog in this situation and turn the table around in the end.
Haters gonna hate. JYJ supporters will stay as JYJ supporters. Non fans will not rely on 1 or 2 articles to make judgement if they wanted to know more about JYJ, they would read some other news and make the decision for themselves.
People with knowledge wouldn’t be dumb to believe that leaving the company that treated you badly and not paying your salary as an act of betrayal. I guess those rumors can only fool middle schoolers.
there’s an article about that “betrayal, ungrateful…”
Unhappy = Ungrateful? (http://seoulbeats.com/2011/11/unhappy-ungrateful/)
“Take the DBSK debacle for example. Was it money? Maybe — there was speculation a
bout the JYJ members and their investment in a cosmetics company, but the ultimate question is: why can’t they invest their money where they want? Oh, right: SM Entertainment owns them and they can only spend their money on whatever is “SM approved.” It really just comes down to issues with the working conditions imposed by their companies.
But does their expression of unhappiness mean that they are ungrateful for what the company has done for them? Absolutely not. Even with KARA and their incident, the main issue was about the members’ unhappiness with their working conditions. Both groups were forced to fulfill schedules in which they had no say. Sure, they’re getting paid, the company’s getting paid, it’s what they love to do, blah blah blah — but being
forced to do what you don’t want to do just sucks for everyone, celebrities included.
Should they have to suck it up more than normal folk? No, they shouldn’t. They’re people too.
“Just because you want the best conditions to do your job does not make you an ungrateful person.”
VE Sister, what, you’re having memory lapses now? You vowed the last time was the last time. Remember now…if you keep doing the same things over again, expecting different results, that’s the definition of crazy. Don’t believe me? Ask Einstein. 😉
@BAF
“VE Sister, what, you’re having memory lapses now? You vowed the last time was the last time.”
Who, me? Are you kidding?? Memory lapses R Us these days. I can barely remember what I’m doing from one moment to the next. Good thing I have my evil twin here doing all my typing and composing all my posts (you know–so they make sense) Damn, she’s good though, no?
And yes, Yes, YES, I did it again! AArrgghh! I couldn’t help myself, honestly, I just could not NOT post something. I kept thinking the whole time I was writing, “just don’t say anything mean about Homin and you should be good to go.”
And it’s true! Nobody has dumped on me so far! I’m in shock, honestly. Every post from Seoulbeats that has shown up since I posted my comment, I’ve thought, “OK, here it comes…. somebody’s going to rip me a new assh*le now…” but so far so good. All the posters leaving comments are actually AGREEING with the general points made in the article! Bonus! And who knows…. maybe if I behave myself on Seoulbeats I can post again sometime!
actually i was thinking the same way too the 1st time i heard about crebeu. its JYJ’s money, so why cant they do what they want with it? why must sme involved in their investment with their own money? wasnt it a proven evidence that sme control everything in our boys’ life? if they cant even do anything with what belongs to them, how can u be sure they have enough freedom to do what they want?how can u be sure if they happy with this kind of life?people in SK should understand about ‘freedom’ or ‘independence’ means, since they experinced being colonized and have no freedom, just like my country.and boy i’m glad my founding father fight for our freedom, coz then we have a better life here.
@one_nee
“actually i was thinking the same way too the 1st time i heard about crebeu. its JYJ’s money, so why cant they do what they want with it? ”
I’m going to go way out on a limb here and answer that question in this way (and keep in mind, it’s just my opinion)
I think SM controlled, quite strictly, the money their star attractions had access to. I think they wanted it that way. People who have no money can’t visit attorneys and discuss their options, let alone file lawsuits. When they left SM, JYJ realized NOTHING they had actually belonged to them. Even the fangifts given to them were said to have been retained by SM. All of their works in progress? Confiscated by SM. They walked out with nothing. Crebleu was so reviled by SM and their many fangirl apologists because oddly enough, THERE might have been a small source of income to keep them going that was legitimately theirs. This part of the story is still hazy quite frankly. We haven’t heard much about Crebleu since they were so maligned, their reputation so ruined they had to sue SM to get it to stop. But my theory is that SM must have told them not have further involvement with JYJ and Crebleu said, “Sorry, that’s our business, not yours” or some such. So SM just went ahead and tried to ruin them too.
Sis, regarding their money, what they got of it, I’ve heard them say they sent their money home. Their parents took care of what little they were getting. That whole Crebeau thing was such a red herring. I’m surprised they got as much mileage out of it as they did. For me the astounding thing was, they only got paid twice a year. Ok, I’ve been one of those folks who thought getting paid once a month was a stretch, but only twice a year? This is how I believe they kept such tight control. If you are dependent because you don’t have funds right away, well……….
Btw, some are overly concerned about JYJ’s voice being damaged by smoking. May Western musicians smoke weeds and cigarettes and they can still produce good songs e.g Amy Winehouse
So let’s try not to be so overly sensitive regarding JYJ smoking or drinking. They are entitled to have a life…and if that’s what they want, let them be.
Umm, maybe the person you mentioned would not be a good example. Yes, Amy Winehouse is beyond good, she’s a brilliant singer but where she at now? She now belongs to Club 27…
JJ and Chun know very well they effect of drinking and smoking and fans are just voicing their concern about their well being but ultimately, it’s JJ and Chun’s choice if they quit or not.
asteeeg… ❤
kung anong tinanim.. syang aanihin..
magtanim ng kabutihan.. kabutihan aanihin..
magtanim ng masama.. di na kelangan ng damo dahil ikakamatay ng kabayo??
kekekkeke
If people try to pull you down, it just shows that you are above them, you’re on the higher level ….mamatay na lang sa inggit ‘yong mga walang magagawa sa buhay kundi sisiraan ang JYJ ! (SM and friends, chillax lang, huwag masyadong mag struggle )
love this song 2….at jyj3 i heard about adele and i like all her song….tq for jyj3 sister who recommend this great singer…its been a long time since i want 2 buy cd for other singer except JYJ of course……i think the last time i buy other singer cd is for celine dion greatest hit n armageddon soundtrack…..
With its “strangely” proportional correlation, I find the intensity of Detractors a particularly accurate barometer for gauging JYJ’s real professional success on the international stage. And the louder their noise gets, the more convinced I am that JYJ and we as their fans are on the right path.
Positive forces always attracts negative forces ….I think it’s just normal but in JYJ’s case, the negative forces are too strong and influential, but appear to be too stressed by just 3 young men!
@livingfree
“With its “strangely” proportional correlation, I find the intensity of Detractors a particularly accurate barometer for gauging JYJ’s real professional success on the international stage.”
Gads, what a horrible thought. I wish someone could explain to me just what about JYJ is so threatening to so many of these people. Are they ex-fans? Are they on the SM payroll? Who are they and don’t they have anything better to do?? Trolling around writing lies about a pop group–what kind of life is that?
“Trolling around writing lies about a pop group–what kind of life is that?”
It’s called — no life. The atmosphere is really quite filled with smog. You should know what smog look and smells like. 🙂 Me thinks our sister sally_b is on to something. SM has gotten wind the the case is about to come to and end, and they will be paying out the wahzoo! The comment attorney Shin I believe his name is said, “I’m confused as to why they would make this suggestion.” (paraphrasing) Well, Sejong being confused to me, suggests they too know what’s coming down the pike and for their side, it’s all good. No need to change anything. I’m going to be the eternal optimist here…I’m ordering my bottle of champagne tomorrow!
Remember when I mentioned to you a while back, distractions coming out of no where, are meant to camouflage something that will have a big impact? The major problem here is the fact the side SME is so married to the concept of creating havoc, they literally cannot help themselves, and stop. Like a junkie they have to get their fix, otherwise they are going to bounce off the walls.
AGREED with u my friend @BAF. we will wait for the main actress to start the drama. conciliation may have the pro and con. the trail may have to be extended to higher level and longer time for the final verdict. SME have moved their little pony on rumors…not knowing us the JYJ fan …recognised ..SME tactics…SME have this signature…”how to create stir to JYJ fan”. i prefer to order two jug of beer…but planning to have Long Island Tea – cocktail. @__@. …sssss i hide my southern comfort limited ed.
@BAFfie
“Remember when I mentioned to you a while back, distractions coming out of no where, are meant to camouflage something that will have a big impact?”
Yep, I think you called it just about EXACTLY RIGHT.
“i prefer to order two jug of beer…but planning to have Long Island Tea – cocktail. @__@. …sssss i hide my southern comfort limited ed.”
Oh my dear, you are brave. Long Island Iced Tea? Whoa! I’m impressed. I’m not a big drinker, so a couple of mixed drinks preferably with gin. I can’t abide brown liquor. Had a bad reaction when I was only 2 years old. 😉 And my wine has to tend to the sweet side. So, my Moet/Chandon order is for their Imperial Nectar. Sweet, fruity, and nutty ~~ just like me. 😉
Pettie (@DefertoNeminem5)
[FANACC] This is my friend’s fanacc, she was in Berlin rite now and she got JJ’s signature xD
She was waiting in front of the hotel. While she was on the phone, suddenly she realized JJ came out with 2 staffs.
2 other fans approached him and asked for signature. After that, she went to JJ and asked him too. She wanted to give him In heaven’s photobook to sign, but since she was too nervous and trembling, she gave him In heaven album CD LOL
So he signed, then stopped a bit to talk to the staffs, then finished his signature. During that, she stared at him non-stop LOL
They said thank you to him, JJ said “Kamsahamnida” too.
¡Someday in the near future I’m going to ask them for their autographs as well! That means when I’m about to attend their concert, I have to take my “In Heaven” CDs with me evrywhere, lol…..
Ohhh My GOD!!!!!
You should put a warning before you post that up!!!!
I almost had a heart attack!!!
I drooled all over my workbench and computer!! Dammit!! Where did I put my towel??!!!
Hello my fellow JYJers!!!
I was browsing around YouTube and our cute adorkable Junsu vid came up.
I couldn’t stop giggling just watching our little duckbutt!!!
Here is the vid. Please enjoy our buns of steel Junsu’s charisma!!! kekekekekekeke
Ahhhhh ooops!!
And how can I forget to also mention that our resident genius JJ is in this vid too!!!
See? See? JJ is smart too!!! He has a pretty good IQ too!! *rolls eyes* sarcasm people sarcasm…..
Sheesh what’s with people saying our boys are not smart? PFFFFTTTT
It is like my sister and me…..we are totally opposite but we compliment each other.
I am academically smart but totally retarded in street smarts.. my sister is totally street smart but a ditz academically. So we balance each other out.
JYJ is the same they are all smart in their own way.
Well, I don’t know about you, but I was always considered pretty smart and yet, wonder of wonders, becoming a millionaire at 25 somehow eluded me! Go figure! Oh, yes. The boys are Smart with a capital ‘S’. They dutifully learned and perfected their craft for nine long years and decided to make their move when they saw that phase of their lives reaching its breaking point. They did the smart thing, in other words. The Smart Thing isn’t always the easy thing. That’s what Homin did. The easy thing. So now we see the results.
Oh, yes. I’d have to say the members of JYJ are Smart.
maybe because DB5K was really2 famous and success …. and they never imagine that DB5K will ‘divorce’ like this now … they can’t accept that.. and we all know now who is better .. who is getting more success with own song,,
Honestly, theres what I think
1. JYJ is fighting against SME. SM artists defend SME and disses JYJ [Suju/HoMin] , So theres a lot of SME supporters who are against JYJ cause of that reason.
2. DBSK had a enormous amount of fans. Some fans went with JYJ, some with HoMin. Hardcore HoMin fans now becomes JYJ anti’s.
3. JYJ doesn’t have a stand out amount of haters lol. If you want to talk alot of anti’s, SNSD, SuJu have wayy more lol.
No, I was talking about JYJ issue only. As the 625 thing resurfaces again, Kfans dismiss it immediately from the beginning as it’s not a matter to concern, while in Japan it is used again and again as if it’s a bible to hate on JYJ. So, I wonder if it’s a of cultural perception or lost in translation or else…
2. Ah the high IQs HM stans are so proud of…… (though I believe it’s all a ploy to make them sound educated) what have they done or are doing with this supposedly “high IQ”? Let me reiterate what JYJ have done and are doing. Currently JYJ have their own businesses and at that gaining experience. I believe they will be the business moguls out of the 5. They’ve already started and they are not even 30 years old yet! Jaejoong has one of the best, if not the best articles when he is interviewed? He almost sounds like a philosopher. Also JYJ can play pianos (ALL 3), isn’t that in itself an attribute to high IQs? Thank heavens JYJ do not brag about their IQs because then us JYJ fans will be superficial if they did.
I never heard Yunho and Max brag about their IQs it was always Jaejoong that praised Yunho for his scores in school. They both are in college ( I believe Yunho graduated already not sure ) so I think they are educated. I think all 5 of them are smart if they weren’t they wouldn’t be successful. No one knows what Yunho and Max are doing because they are private and maybe thats why you don’t know what Yunho and Max are investing in.
@Daisy
“I never heard Yunho and Max brag about their IQs it was always Jaejoong that praised Yunho for his scores in school. They both are in college ( I believe Yunho graduated already not sure ) so I think they are educated.”
Well… interesting. So you believe that Yunho and Changmin have been attending college while they were under contract to SM? Because, before SM… not college grads. During SM tenure… a little busy.
I DON’T understand why Homin people feel a need to fabricate a resume’ for these two. They are OBVIOUSLY not college grads. Saying “they are private” really only says “They have nothing to say on the subject because it’s a falsehood that they are educated.” They’ve been BUSY being SM Idols all of this time!
As to what they are or or not “investing in” if there is money at their disposal which they are free to invest at their discretion, no one has yet heard about it. This flies in the face of EVERYTHING we know about K-Pop idols and their well-known desire to promote the businesses they own. Again, OBVIOUSLY this is how those businesses would become successful enterprises–they would be attached and enhanced by the cache’ of the star who owns them.
We KNOW what the members of JYJ own–they have told us. We know NOTHING about the assets of Homin. How did they become so notoriously private all of a sudden, I wonder? Have they morphed into Howard Hughes-like men of few words who demure speaking of their net-worth??
All of my intuition bells are going off. I think not.
on November 4, 2011 at 10:30 pm said:
@Daisy
“I never heard Yunho and Max brag about their IQs it was always Jaejoong that praised Yunho for his scores in school. They both are in college ( I believe Yunho graduated already not sure ) so I think they are educated.”
Well… interesting. So you believe that Yunho and Changmin have been attending college while they were under contract to SM? Because, before SM… not college grads. During SM tenure… a little busy.
I DON’T understand why Homin people feel a need to fabricate a resume’ for these two. They are OBVIOUSLY not college grads. Saying “they are private” really only says “They have nothing to say on the subject because it’s a falsehood that they are educated.” They’ve been BUSY being SM Idols all of this time!
As to what they are or or not “investing in” if there is money at their disposal which they are free to invest at their discretion, no one has yet heard about it. This flies in the face of EVERYTHING we know about K-Pop idols and their well-known desire to promote the businesses they own. Again, OBVIOUSLY this is how those businesses would become successful enterprises–they would be attached and enhanced by the cache’ of the star who owns them.
We KNOW what the members of JYJ own–they have told us. We know NOTHING about the assets of Homin. How did they become so notoriously private all of a sudden, I wonder? Have they morphed into Howard Hughes-like men of few words who demure speaking of their net-worth??
All of my intuition bells are going off. I think not
Why would I need to fabricate Yunho and Max resume? Why would I lie about them attending college? A lot of Asian stars are attending college with an schedule. How do you know Yunho is not a college grad or going to be? Lots of people attend college, I attend an university. Whats with the “OBVIOUSLY not college grads” you don’t know them personally, so how can you know Yunho didn’t graduate or is about to? Why is that hard to believe ? Why should you know the assets of Yunho and Max its not your business its theirs?
They don’t have to discuss it with you. I’m pretty sure they probably have a stock portfolio and a financial adviser that helps them maximize their assets. “They’ve been BUSY being SM Idols all of this time!” And what have you been doing all this time, but taking time out of your day, to talk about people you don’t know. I’m not sure what you want to know about their assets, do you need to know what cars they drive? What homes they bought, how much jewelry they own, will that satisfy you? Have Yunho and Max ever stated their net worth? I don’t think they have, so why would they now? And I am happy JYJ own a lot of stuff, they deserve it but what does that have to with Yunho and Max. And there is no need to fabricate a resume for Yunho and Max they have a pretty good one and so does the rest of TVXQ/JYJ.
@Daisy
“Why would I need to fabricate Yunho and Max resume? Why would I lie about them attending college? A lot of Asian stars are attending college with an schedule. How do you know Yunho is not a college grad or going to be? Lots of people attend college, I attend an university. ”
Oh, goodness no, I’m quite sure you wouldn’t lie. If you don’t mind my saying so, you seem to have taken more than a little personal offense to my post. None, I can assure you was intended. Forgive me for saying so, but your response had “Homin Person” written all over it. These are exactly the kinds of dialogs I get into whenever I say anything less than gushingly positive about them to the avid followers of YH&CM. It makes me wonder how you managed to find your way here to JYJ3, a site meant exclusively for JYJ followers, except of course you mention your love for JYJ in your post and so I’m going to absolutely take you at your word.
Re: “a lot of Asian stars attending college” well, I’m stumped. I haven’t heard a thing about that. Your own personal experience really doesn’t apply here, does it? I mean, unless you have the kind of full-time career schedule that we all now know SM demands of its acts. I’m going to assume that you’re up to speed on that. It’s grueling, exhausting and never-ending, and not necessarily in that order. No, I’m rather sure that there are no college students currently signed to SM. Please feel free to provide documentation that I am wrong.
You said: “And what have you been doing all this time, but taking time out of your day, to talk about people you don’t know. I’m not sure what you want to know about their assets, do you need to know what cars they drive? What homes they bought, how much jewelry they own, will that satisfy you? ”
Well once again, I can’t help but feel personally accosted by your hostile response. The only time this happens, btw, is on non JYJ3 sites such as All-K Pop where Homin stans gather. You’re doing a really really good impression of being one of them. But I will answer your accusations thusly: I identified a while ago that “We don’t really know anything” is the last resort of Homin people who have run out of actual fact and compelling argument for their case. ” Here’s the thing: I, as a thinking person, well versed in the music business and human nature in general, I who have been here for the last year and some, doing the research and keeping my ears open DO know something. I do not post rash or ill-advised comments unthinkingly. I stand by ALL my earlier statements. More than anything else, Homin’s silence on all these issues send up red flags to me and as I said are most assuredly atypical of their Pop Idol bretheren. When an idol has a business interest, we find out about it. Your insistance that they have a “portfolio” somewhere makes me sad. THEY SHOULD. But I just don’t think they do.
I know, without a shadow of a doubt, that everything they have actually belongs to SME. And so I would say to you, Daisy–Prove me wrong.
lilibaiyu wrote:
on November 5, 2011 at 10:02 pm said:
Oh, goodness no, I’m quite sure you wouldn’t lie. If you don’t mind my saying so, you seem to have taken more than a little personal offense to my post. None, I can assure you was intended. Forgive me for saying so, but your response had “Homin Person” written all over it. These are exactly the kinds of dialogs I get into whenever I say anything less than gushingly positive about them to the avid followers of YH&CM. It makes me wonder how you managed to find your way here to JYJ3, a site meant exclusively for JYJ followers, except of course you mention your love for JYJ in your post and so I’m going to absolutely take you at your word.
Re: “a lot of Asian stars attending college” well, I’m stumped. I haven’t heard a thing about that. Your own personal experience really doesn’t apply here, does it? I mean, unless you have the kind of full-time career schedule that we all now know SM demands of its acts. I’m going to assume that you’re up to speed on that. It’s grueling, exhausting and never-ending, and not necessarily in that order. No, I’m rather sure that there are no college students currently signed to SM. Please feel free to provide documentation that I am wrong.
You said: “And what have you been doing all this time, but taking time out of your day, to talk about people you don’t know. I’m not sure what you want to know about their assets, do you need to know what cars they drive? What homes they bought, how much jewelry they own, will that satisfy you? ”
Well once again, I can’t help but feel personally accosted by your hostile response. The only time this happens, btw, is on non JYJ3 sites such as All-K Pop where Homin stans gather. You’re doing a really really good impression of being one of them. But I will answer your accusations thusly: I identified a while ago that “We don’t really know anything” is the last resort of Homin people who have run out of actual fact and compelling argument for their case. ” Here’s the thing: I, as a thinking person, well versed in the music business and human nature in general, I who have been here for the last year and some, doing the research and keeping my ears open DO know something. I do not post rash or ill-advised comments unthinkingly. I stand by ALL my earlier statements. More than anything else, Homin’s silence on all these issues send up red flags to me and as I said are most assuredly atypical of their Pop Idol bretheren. When an idol has a business interest, we find out about it. Your insistance that they have a “portfolio” somewhere makes me sad. THEY SHOULD. But I just don’t think they do.
I know, without a shadow of a doubt, that everything they have actually belongs to SME. And so I would say to you, Daisy–Prove me wrong
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What is a “Homin Person” anyway? And there are K-pop idols who have a schedule and attend college Changmin, Yunho, Bi-Rain before he left for the military, some of the members of SNSD, and some of the Shinee members. Most of the members including Yoochun and Junsu attended college too,I believe. I think Jaejoong, Changmin, and Junsu were all taking classes in english. You say you are in tuned to human nature, so because of this you understand the mindset of Yunho and Max and can also tell if they have a financial adviser? Two superstars with money and don’t have a financial adviser, Do they put their money in a bank? I don’t know about you but I have a bank and I’m advised on what I should do with my money. So they can’t have a portfolio either or have attended college because you don’t believe it. What does research or keeping your ears open? Have to do with Yunho and Max, how would that give any information about what is exactly in Yunho and Max bank account or if they had a portfolio.
Maybe they don’t say that they have bought stuff because they don’t want to or because there really is no reason too. I think fans wanting to know about what they own or don’t is an invasion of privacy, K-pop fans take it to far, hacking Jaejoongs twitter and stalking JYJ at hotels, I even saw a fancam with Yoochun in his room sitting on his bed that a fan took, if thats not an invasion of privacy I don’t know what is. Hopefully, we don’t see fans hacking into stars bank accounts, medical and other private information just to get information about stars to use against them. And I like JYJ and the past and current TVXQ, and I like both because I’m American and I don’t have to follow the rules of K-pop fandom, I can listen to whoever I like because thats what Americans do we listen to everything without having to be aligned with just one artist. And I wasn’t offended by your comments
Yaaay
armpits alert!!
Aaawwww…..you beat me by a nanosecond!!! 🙂 ^__^ Congrats on being first!
Woopsiedoodles, sorry bebs 🙂
That’s ok. As Scarlett once said, “Tomorrow is another day.” =)
Woohooo~
hahahaahh!!!!!!!! congrats!!!!!!!!!!!
😀 😀 😀
I actually saw your post a while back about how you missed everyone but I never got the chance to reply back. So I’m glad to see you here, when I am finally here to say I miss you and everyone else. It feels weird just browsing over JYJ3 and not read all comments or making a comment. Something’s missing, like my heart is ’empty’ 😦
congrats !!! my data connection is not working very well. twitter is off and IM is delayed. *sigh.. lucky we still have jyj3.. miss you all..
@Dee
I’ve missed you. 😀
@Sapphie,
-Huggles-
congrats on first! 😀
Congrats 🙂
haii .. congrats being first ,,* kiss hug
congrats dee!^^ u’ve been a stalker now in jyj3 since u r 1st today..kekeke
Hello to you too. Good to see you whenever you can make it. Life does call. 😉 Hope all is well. Take care.
All is well BAF sister and I hope yours is too. There were a few hurdles, but what’s life without them. 😉
I lve JYJ!!!
naman!!!!!!!!! JYJ dake!!!!!!!!!!!
*LOVE JYJ!!!! We really do need an “edit” button! ^_^
Hi @Leahb518!!!
Thanks so much for the vds you shared the other day! I was laughing so much because of Junsu’s cuteness/silliness on the “Brunch Date Master”
I had to re-watch again and again some parts! XD *Evil JaeChun were so funny too! XD*
@SolangeJJ
Hello! Junsu was cute and funny during the Brunch Date, but have you seen the Ontomeon interview vid? I put that up for dl too so that others can enjoy the comic genius of Junsu. 🙂 That kid is seriously funny and a great sport. He constantly gets trolled on, but he makes it so that you laugh WITH him and not at him. He really is a mood maker.
Hi @Leahb518
Can you please put up that list again if its not too much trouble? I can’t find it and would love to save it on my external drive if possible.
Also, does anyone know if there is an Eng-subbed download for either Memories of 2010 or History in Japan Special? Thanks!
@Livingfree
I’ll post the link up later today when I get home from work. Luckily I haven’t deleted the files yet. 🙂 Which volume of History in Japan were you looking for? I know I have vol 4 and the extra movie for it. I may have the others, but I’m not sure. I’ll check my hard drives. I’ve downloaded so much I don’t even remember what I have….I haven’t watched everything either. You have perfect timing because I finally got my laptop back from the repair shop yesterday. ^__^ Yay!!!
Where are you posting these at?
@Leahb518
Sorry but just saw your reply. Basically, I need all of the History in Japan, including the last one (the History in Japan Special). And if you have the Memories in 2010, that would be truly awesome too. I also still need the Ontomeon interview (JS vids are my happy vitamins when I have the blues. Actually, anything JYJ can make me smile but that cherub JS always crack me up) ^^
Arrigato!
J Y J! J Y J! =))
Hello!! have a nice day everyone!!^^
counting the days for 15million hits!! 😀
Hola ^^
Hola! ^^
Hola! ^O^
I love you! Please take care of yourself. ^ ^!
love JYJ 4ever…
Awww ^________^
Love JYJ forever too!
Me three!!! ^____^
yebaahhh! cool!
Just wanna share, Wonder Girls’ new teaser is out!
I liked the first teaser better, it was a lot edgier. Apparently it’s 2 different songs, their comeback song’s “Be My Baby” (bit similar to Miss A’s Goodbye Baby, but maybe it’s cos of the use of “baby”). Still like it though, although side-eyeing the furry things. This is fast becoming one of my favourite comebacks of the year.
This is an awesome comeback by WG (and worthy of the word comeback). I thought BEG’s comeback was spectacular so now I’m very excited for WG.
Yubin (that’s her name right?) looks really hot. Actually all the girls do. I miss the other girl who left, she was one of my favorites 😦
SunMi, yeah I know. She’s a decent singer (good? has potential to improve) and she’s super pretty. I miss her too, but it’s good for her to get her priorities straight.
Yoobin is a hottie. But I’ve always had a soft spot for Sohee, even though she’s not the best singer out there. She really improved though, and I love her fashion sense. Sunye is an absolute sweetie.
The thing about WG is the fact that they’re all sweet, likeable girls. They’re not the prettiest, but they DO have a certain something on stage, kinda like my boys BigBang. Which is probably why WonderBang was such a hit.
I don’t really remember how I got to like SunMi, not as a vocalist, but as a person. It’s very true though, WG are approachable individuals who are not as ‘perfected’ and company manufactured. I think that’s why I have a soft spot for them over everybody else. I’m still a bigger fan of BEG though haha.
My boys too, Bigbang 🙂
I know right, perpetual soft spot for WG. BEG’s “My Style” and “How Come” (Eojodda?) are still my jams.
OUR boys, Big Bang 😉
i wish the girls will do really really well. there are not my favorite by far, especially 2 of them who seem to be so disconnected with the stage or maybe just a little awkward. anyhow, i was reading around the internets, and there are some who say that the girls are over in their mother land. i like underdogs, so that alone motivates me to have the girls do an all kill and wipe the charts and tv shows clean. you know, just to make a little bit of waves in this big ocean of k-pop.
I prefer the first teaser more, too. Also side-eyeing the furry things and fluorescent colored patterns (just a personal thing though–I have an irrational hate for them). Their silhouettes remind my of Beyonce’s Single Ladies. Expecting some really sexy choreography from Jonte. Looking forward to the full MV.
So stoked for their comeback! I think they are really pretty, and I really have this bias for groups who have lesser members. 😉 HIHI (makes it easier to get to know the members more and appreciate their voices)
J—Y—J DAE TO THE BAK
Hello everybody…
How i miss JYJ3 and all the JYJ3ers,
now I have to start from Oct. 29 onwards, OMG so much to read…
hahhahah! namiss din kuta Kris! ^____________^
Hello Kris, glad to see you here. Having the same problem too. And still not done yet, plenty more updates to go through.
Yes, so many updates this week. I don’t think the Mods have slept in days! I know I haven’t, just trying to keep up. =_=
Hi Chris! ^^
Yeaph you have so many articles waiting for you! ^^
lol! you’re the same as me. I’m going to start from 1 Nov. Too busy with assignments and college. But I somehow managed to find some time on reading some posts here ^^
yun oh!!! WELKAMBAK!!!
Fellow Filipino, yes?
I’m new here! I’m Cathe!
Hello Kris! 😉 Welcome back!
Thank you my friends, my sisters, my kababayans…..
JYJ3 is really a wonderful place, you can always feel the warmth….<3
Truly! Hope you’re enjoying backreading all the past posts!
Seems like all of them are good news about our boys, right?
@Kris
Welcome back! Pati ako kailangan ko rin mag back-track. I’m so behind eventhough I visit JYJ3 daily, there are so many articles/news and GAP discussions to read and videos to watch. It’s been so busy at work I only have time to skim.
Hi kris! and Hi too to the rest of the Pinay members of the fam who seem to congregate in a spot pretty quickly 🙂 Hope to meet you all soon ~~
Hello Jan! >:D<
Yes, absolutely! Hope there will come a day that I can meet all of you! JYJ3 Filipino Family ❤
hi kris!
kumusta bakasyon?
Sharing this AGAIN coz it’s just too adorable! ^__________^
LOVE his laugh. And they all seem super comfortable with each other, I love it.
i diiiiiiiieed when he said “noona” haha and hes totally older then me too ^^;
Jae’s natural voice here with his spontaneous bursts of laughter is so ….intoxicating.
At 1:10 where JJ says Where are you? Where are you?
I like the way this sound in the Korean …. ”’Chaywohdayah? Chaywohdayaah?!
I think I’ll make it my next ring tone… 😉
hey..has anyone noticed the JYJ poster in Vampire Prosecutor? LOL..it’s the In Heaven poster..watch it here at the link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCAXx9w8OJI&feature=channel_video_title….you can see it at 9:16….just thought everyone might want to see.
Wow yeah!
Vampire Prosecutor is actually a pretty good show.
I really need to start watching this show. When I have time ><.
Or maybe I'll wait until it's over and I'll do a weekend marathon or something.
I've been kdrama deprived lately.
Me too. I finally got my laptop back from the repair shop today and I can’t wait to marathon Scent Of A Woman and Protect The Boss. ^_^ I’ve been missing watching Arashi’s shows too. Those guys are funny! Not too into their music (I’m stuck on JYJ right now), but their shows are hilarious!
yeah ^____^
gosh, whenever I watched that show, I always have to pause in the middle…soo scary…
i just finished ep 5, getting interesting. Can’t wait to watch the next eps. Honestly, besides JYJ, i keep myself busy with dramas and not other kpop bands, because only JYJ and their musics can attract me and keep me wanting more
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ahahaha thats awesome ^_________^
hi JYJers ………. after Yoochun, Jaejoong and Junsu gifts now is JYJ turn ………………..
JYJ , 3-Men Justin Bieber???????
http://www.dbsknights.net/2011/11/trans-111101-influential-spanish-paper.html
No offense to Bieber fans .. but some how I don’t feel like it’s a praise.
I feel insulted … and yeah .. I am upset ! Anyway congrats JYJ for being mentioned on big, influential Spanish newspaper.
I always feel insulted when our boys are compared to anyone else because I know they are so talented and admirable people. But I think this was intended as a compliment. Justin Bieber is considered such a charmer. At first glance in a press conference, wouldn’t that be the first thing they noticed – how incredibly handsome they are? And the screaming girls that follow them?
(sighs) Korea’s (Or SME’s) new smear campaign against JYJ includes them paying a reporter to cover bad points about JYJ’s Barcelona concert. There is a whole article on Nate right now that is first place that claims that the venue was not filled with 3000 but 2000 people. =____= Please don’t go and search for the article and click on it…..even if it linked on twitter as the reporter will just make more money for posting such an article………..the purpose being just to bring JYJ down.
I hope CJes or beyondmonica (who does an AWESOME job) deals with this issue quickly.
Big money for bad publicity. What did they do? Count each and every 2000 people who came to the concert individually… hahaha… oh laughable.
they took a picture of an empty green space and said that the numbers were inflated and the proof of the low number of attendees was the ’empty green space’
Hahahaha, I know it’s not suppose to be funny, but damn it that was hilarious
A fan who was there said, VIP and SVIP left their seats to stand on the pit, hence empty green space…
i saw this : http://gall.dcinside.com/list.php?id=dongbang&no=2167927&page=1&search_pos=-2141876&k_type=1100&keyword=%EB%93%A4%EC%8D%A9&bbs=
can anyone translate it ? some people said it’s respond to the article on Nate.
All the fanaccounts said that it wasn’t filled to capacity, and that’s fine actually. But really? 1000 people off the mark? What the? I find it funny because Korea, you’re so quick to claim any and all success to being “Hallyu”, so why would you buy this shtick?
I know some of the fanaccounts did say that.
This is why I wish reporters would research instead of throwing numbers around.
Since JYJ said it was 80% sold out I will believe them.
Also, lol the manga festival was full to the brim……..
I know right, it’s not as if they’re saying it’s sold out. They’ve said 80% for a few times now already.
Korean press is so quick to attribute JYJ’s success to K-pop and the hallyu wave, without accepting that this is JYJ’s own success. Then immediately they want to find a way to discredit them further by saying the numbers are a lie. If it isn’t manipulation, what possible motivation would there be want to lower the numbers? Usually Korean press would want to exaggerate the numbers because it makes Korea look better.
I noticed the trend to do this in the media starting from the Jeju Island incident. KBS claimed that they dropped JYJ because they weren’t as popular as SNSD and fx. It was a ridiculous claim, but by doing so they defended their choice as reasonable and also insulted and discredited JYJ as unpopular.
They can keep doing these dirty tricks at SME’s request, but you can only stick your head in the sand for so long before JYJ’s popularity is so strong, there is no way to hide it. I am sure many fans of SME groups have a reason to want to believe JYJ’s success is a lie. They have bought the lie for a long time that JYJ are worthless traitors, and to have JYJ be popular is a threat to their reality.
tweets I read and love
“RT @oren13ji: Sorry Korea, JYJ are unlike other Kpop acts. We don’t pull put numbers. We are proud with our small achievement, thank you…”
“RT@6000Clouds oh but we do… many pictures. Unlike his SMtown NYC that they claimed 20k, when it was 11.5k.”
“I see SoMEone is so damn butthurt already LOL what abt ur sold out a concert in 2 3hrs but claimed 1min only,n yet it has only 800 seats LOL”
Wow, that is actually new information O___O
How much news have I missed? Any other ‘interesting’ facts?
Here’s an interesting read -if you want it-
http://www.asianjunkie.com/2011/10/fluff-journalism-fan-delusion-doing-more-harm-than-good-for-k-pop-in-america/
It’s basically a rehash of what we have been discussing here on JYJ3 for a while now.
Man I hate missing great discussions. Thanks Pheonixia!
That really was a great read. For me it seems as if the implication is Kpop is SO anxious to conquer. Ok, sometimes you want to get there fast. But fast is not always best. There were so many points that resonated. But the one that struck me the most were the ones that dealt with comparisons.
Sure comparisons are cool, but they had better be accurate, because honestly, if your artist were ever on a stage singing next to one of those comparisons, you better be prepared for what happens.
This comparison is not about teens vs pros, but once on TV program, the singer Joe Crocker was paired with Patti LaBelle. To put it mildly it was tragic. His attempt to sound soulful and keep up with Patti was painful. There are precious few who can keep up with her, he was not one of them.
When I mentioned in my fanaccount about JYJ being able to hold their own with a list of well known artists, most famous R&B singers, I wasn’t going for hyperbole. If you know anything about the history of the R&B music world, most concerts are not about flash. Sometimes there are some nice backdrops. But for the most part it’s the musicians, the mike, and the singers. R&B audiences want to HEAR the singers SING. The better the singer, the better the show. R&B audiences like to GROOVE with their artists.
Whenever I listen to JJ, YC, and JS sing, even without the dancing, I know for a FACT, they can stand on a stage with any of those artists I mentioned and hold their own. The vocal skills they possess give them an honest entree into the American music scene. Not to mention their stage prescence as well. There is no need to camoflage their appearance. It simply doesn’t pay to alter this much talent. So, this article is exactly right, the comparisons had better be justified, because if they aren’t, Korean acts are going to pay a steep price.
@phoenixia
Great read—–sad but true picture of the delusional megalomania that currently typifies much of the kpop PR machinery.
Thanks pheonixia for the post. Interesting read. The one thing I think is missing from the analysis is what is really generating the intensity of fans’ interest. Korean singers and Korean dramas may not be as great and professional as the American versions. But there is an indescribable attraction to them that overrides that. I often know the drama I am watching is not well done, but I still cry and laugh when they want me to. And when it is over, I am lost for a few days. It has such an emotional impact and becomes a part of my life. This is without any hype. People are not rational beings, they also have emotions and desires, and Korea has a way of going underneath all the usual ways of operating, and captivating people on that deeper level. In music, that breeds a devotion that goes way beyond music. And I don’t think it is because of delusional press reports. As for JYJ, I love them, truly. It is based in their music, but goes way beyond that. And I am an adult, not a teenager. I think this is way bigger than how music critics normally analyze trends. there is a storm brewing and will take the American music industry by surprise.
Uhm okay. Desperate much? Lol. JYJ is laughing in Berlin right now, not worrying about the childish S. Korean entertainment. I just can’t even with Korea.
Like you, I hope damage control is being done by Korean fans, C-JeS and Beyondmonica.
@fleur
ONCE AGAIN I find myself just shaking my head and wondering to myself, “WHO needs this?? Who needs the kind of abuse that JYJ is routinely subjected to in SK?? These are THEIR SHINING STARS. They are making SK look like a place that might bear further investigating by the rest of the world, a place with perhaps even more beautiful and talented people. And THIS is how they are treated for their pains by their own press?? News articles full of lies at the behest of the company out to ruin them?
It makes me very angry.
@lilibaiyu
It’s like they stuck their heads between their legs and refuse to listen. Refuse to evolve. Refuse to have society progress to equality.
South Korea is just a huge disappointment, this resistance in changing their industry for the betterment of the workers. I know for sure that I’ll never want to go to S. Korea for work if this is how they treat their talented natives.
Excuse the language, but their businesses are just full of a**lickers. Hate office politics. Hate the monopoly. They need reform – not only to bolster their own economy so that they won’t have all their eggs in one basket, but to also allow for their culture to evolve further. All this ‘Hallyu wave’ nonsense is stunting their cultural growth in terms of music.
@lilibaiyu I agree this is ridiculous when JYJ brings good press to SK. And people claim JYJ is “ungrateful”?
Sigh~
Even if there were less people … the concert was amazing!
Why? Because of the energy and joy shared between JYJ and the people that were there.
And it was not a CJeS statement nor JYJ’s … the press THAT WAS ACTUALLY THERE were the ones that published the numbers! Why do they would lie?
oh so that’s why the kfans are tweeting non-stop right now.
it’s a bit ironic that they want to discredit JYJ… I hope they realized that by doing this, they are also discrediting the so-called hallyu wave that they are promoting.
JYJ is still the first Korean group that has a solo concert in Europe. No one can discredit that.
@pheonixia, I believe in what I see in pictures from the fans or on the report in newspapers ….THE CONCERT WAS SUCCESSFUL….
I don’t even care about the rumour things people just make up after that…Nate was the one who have an article to say about the concert fill up with 3000 peoples,now what did they say ?2000,oh man, I wonder how the # had been change like this…
Was that reporter even present at their Barcelona concert? Even the Spanish media already reported that it was a crowd of 3000. SM is so obsessed with JYJ that they’re going coocoo over their creme de la creme ex-talents. Ridiculous and pathetic.
i saw actually that they claimed it was only 1000 people pfffft I rolled my eyes, 3k isnt even that huge, JYJ even said it was a small concert ::rollseyes:: anyways a lot of kfans on my tlist were really mad and i came upon this link lol korean fans dont play around: http://gall.dcinside.com/list.php?id=dongbang&no=2167927&page=1&search_pos=-2141876&k_type=1100&keyword=%EB%93%A4%EC%8D%A9&bbs=
anyways,according to some kfan tweets just now, the journalist said he thought the manga performance was the actual concert <__< and the pictures used on the article were taken when the venue was still filling up, it makes sense for the lights to be on, it was like 9:00 at night http://nimg.nate.com/orgImg/th/2011/11/03/20111136118l638_T5_13720.jpg
oh how embarrassing for him … if he can’t even check for better picture why bother writing about it ?
fail journalism !
@BAF
Girl I’m so sorry!!! The last thing I want is for you to get caught!
I just go o_0 …….how stupid do these people think we are? Just admit it sir. You lied. You didn’t attend the manga event much less the concert and your “article” is just you looking at pics and making stuff up. He obviously didn’t even have the intelligence to look up a fan-account for reference or a video…ANYTHING! It is either he is some anti-JYJ douche with no life trying to bring himself some attention OR he is probably in the pay of SoMEone to write up a discrediting review.
“the journalist said he thought the manga performance was the actual concert <__<"
LOL I'm side-eyeing this punk-ass liar too. He must be a student from KBS, his lie is so obvious. I mean what exactly confused him? The big-ass "SALON DEL MANGA" sign behind JYJ? Did he not notice that the performance was in a building and not a stadium? What exactly made this piece of ……. think that this was JYJ's concert?
ROFLMAO!!
I’m at work right now trying DESPERATELY to not give myseld away that I’m not working. You go girl! 🙂
woops…I posted my reply in the wrong place.
My dear sister it was not your fault! 🙂 I simply have an open area workspace. My workstation is right at the entrance of our department, so anyone going and coming through the doors pass by me.
Your comment was so delicious! I went out to lunch today. Normally, I have my lunch at my desk and peruse JYJ3 then. But I was checking a bit before and after. You simply hit the nail on the coffin. What does it take for these morons to understand? We are onto their game and will call them on it everytime!
@My sisterBAFfie
“Your comment was so delicious! I went out to lunch today. Normally, I have my lunch at my desk and peruse JYJ3 then. But I was checking a bit before and after. You simply hit the nail on the coffin.”
lol Now see? My V.E. Sister is right there proving my earlier point. We LOVE Mia’s point of view–she’s out on the ragged edge, yelling her head off and frankly, every family needs one to be just exactly that way. It would be a DARK DAY indeed without Mia.
So to our esteemed newcomers–we fervently hope that, given time, you will become as beloved and cherished as our Mia. In the mean time, listen and learn.
p.s. Mia and I have had MAJOR knock-downs in the past. Big time blowups. Now, I wouldn’t want to even imagine JYJ3 without her perspective because I know that underneath all the fireworks there’s a passionate heart and a thinking person. My favorite kinda girl.
🙂
i don’t know that Nate is one of the SM kiss-licking assers.
SM, butt hurt much with the banner “F*ck SM”, so you want to control the huge success of JYJ concert in Europe. tsk tsk tsk…
in other news, it seems like the JJ fanmeet is sold out. ^_^
http://www.damai.cn/ticket_31177.html#
So excited! ^^
We can always count on Chinese fans to buy everything quickly ^____^
What is worrisome though is the number of Yunjae fans that probably bought tickets.
But, honestly sometimes I wish JJ would stop being nice for a few minutes.
If he dislikes Yunjae fans in-your-face attitude he should just come out and say it….even if he is going to lose fans. At least he will have peace of mind.
less 1 seat for yunjae fans coz I’m coming. lmao XD
sad to say but ~not being nice~ is not in the vocabulary of JaeJoong.
I think he will speak out if he can’t take it anymore like the sasaeng incidents.
(sighs) even with those incidents he only spoke out on behalf of Yoochun and his manager. And he scolded saessang taxi’s who take money from dumb fans and rip them off.
Jaejoong’s kindness makes me worried about him sometimes. But, he is a grown man and can deal with things on his own.
On another note…..I am SO SO jealous you will be attending! Please take lots of pictures and fancams!
Good for you ^_____^
Sold Out already?
WOW! O.O
I tried to buy in the site but it won’t let me choose anymore.
I think the JJ fanclubs bulk-purchased tickets so it was sold out pretty quickly. 😀
But you to got it right? My friend is going too. BTW, you are in seating or in mosh pit?
@murasaki yes i was able to buy.. i’m in the mosh pit.. (goodluck to me lol)
Watchin old videos, when JaeJoong was 6-7 wished upon a star to become a supermarket owner when he grew up. Why? Because he thought he could get anything he wanted. Well, as a grown young man…he said that he changed his mind: he wanted to own a huge Korean restaurant…
lol, our cute, smarty pants boy. love him.
and he did now with Bum’s story,,
moral lesson?? Dream big and work hard for you’ll never know they might actually come true and more.
@daebaksama
And NOW he can buy both if he feels like it.
🙂
What the…So I just read an article written by Pitchfork (whaaat? that uppity Pitchfork?! Really?!) that talked about K-pop.
…Yes. K-pop. It’s riddled with misinformation (lol seems like someone just skimmed their research to me) but they mention JYJ!
Well. They mentioned JYJ and Kanye West and “awkward at best” Ayyy Girl ^^;;; But hey, publicity is publicity and that’s name dropping at it’s best. No matter how many haters there are, Kanye West is still way more legit in the American music scene than all the K-idols put together.
That said. I wish they talked about Empty. This guy’s nonfan colours are showing!
But lol at least half of their article was about SNSD and how they are the best selling group in Korea………and the biggest new thing in Japan.
The article is not very factual.
But at least they mentioned JYJ working with Kanye West.
“at least half of their article was about SNSD and how they are the best selling group in Korea”
Ok.. I have nothing against this group but this statment is NOT true
Um, nowhere in the article did he say THAT. I actually went to reread it a couple of times to make sure. Here, have a look.
http://pitchfork.com/features/articles/8700-to-anyone-the-rise-of-korean-wave/
@iraaa “Released in 2009, “Gee” was a landmark event in the world of Hallyu. It set chart records in South Korea that have yet to be broken, and made history when a Japanese version of the song went double platinum and became the first single ever by a non-Japanese girl group to reach no. 1 on that country’s notoriously insular pop charts.”
This is what I meant. I’m sorry for not being 100% accurate.
Did they seriously set chart records in Korea ‘that are yet to be broken’? I doubt it.
-and side note: I am not an SNSD hater. I am a hater of articles that take small achievements and blow them up…….which is how SNSD is pretty much marketed-
@phoenixia
I get what you mean, and I don’t think you’re a hater. But it IS true that “Gee” was a huge turning point. Now, I can say a lot of things about JYJ contributing a lot towards Hallyu, but DB5K was part of the 2nd wave of Hallyu (with Yon-sama and co. being first). The 3rd wave, in 2009, was headed by SNSD’s Gee and SuJu’s Sorry Sorry, both of which are runaway hits. Combined with the powers of internet and fan culture, Hallyu became an even bigger phenomenon. That does NOT detract at all from what DB5K did (also deserving mention are Big Bang’s Lies and Haru Haru and WG’s Nobody) and what they contributed, but it is what it is.
SNSD did in fact set records in Korea with Gee, but I always side-eye that 9 time MuBank record thing. At least I think it’s MuBank. They won 9 times in a row, which was a record, fine. Thing is, nobody’s allowed to win more than 3 times now, so obviously they’re gonna keep that record foreverrr or something. But hey, it’s still a record.
And they’re pretty darn huge in Japan too. It’s just that the author was talking about SNSD in the context of Kpop, so that was probably why he omitted KARA’s Japanese achievements. Yes, it does sound as if he’s blowing their achievements up, but in the grand scheme of things, does it even matter? He didn’t even recommend it in the end anyway, much to my amusement.
I know, Pitchfork = epitome of indie snobbishness (I was guilty of it once). But what most people don’t realise (because they’re too busy being all “Kpop in Pitchfork whaaa” or “who/what the heck is Pitchfork?”) is that
1) the guy that wrote this is part of an electronica duo that sounds nothing like kpop whatsoever so he’s looking at it purely from a fan standpoint
2) James is not part of the editorial staff for Pitchfork, so what he said =/= what Pitchfork thinks
I actually think that he has a pretty good article going on, it’s a good intro piece on kpop for non-listeners. I find it funny though that he talked about SNSD a fair bit but didn’t put up their video. But I give props to the man for After School’s Shampoo, that song is underrated, IMO.
Also, Seoulbeats did an (heavily edited) interview with the duo about a month ago here. Have a read, it’s good stuff about 2 white guys liking Kpop http://seoulbeats.com/2011/09/a-western-band-with-a-k-pop-obsession/
But I’d suggest reading the comments section too cause James answered more satisfyingly there than on the article.
Yes…I had an inkling that this was almost like one of those associated blogs where the one person does not reflect the entire Pitchfork. TBH, I’m kinda glad lol. Pitchfork may be uppity but they have their moments and there are people who actually do take them seriously.
Lol! That’s what I thought. I was like…Okay…talking loads about SNSD but no recs for them. Heh. Oh well, I prefer 2NE1 over SNSD any day so I can fly with that.
Yeah, props for 2NE1 and After School but he negated that when he rec’d HyunA’s Bubble Pop lol. That song is just kinda dreadful to me.
But he did have some of that signature Pitchfork vocab going on in the article haha. I do think that the videos he recommended were good examples of what he was talking about though, and they’re songs that the Western audience can probably most appreciate. Plus, if he said “high-budget, attention-grabbing videos” he can’t exactly put SNSD/SuJu videos can he? SM practically lives in a white room with a 360 camera.
I actually can tolerate Bubble Pop if I don’t watch the video LOL. It’s mindless fun, and probably the epitome of bubblegum pop. Not my favourite by far, but not the worst either.
And yeah, he mentioned on seoulbeats that for male artists, his fave would be GD&TOP so I was like, good taste my man, good taste.
Good day, JYJ3 Family! 🙂
I hope everyone’s having a great time today/tonight!
I miss reading tweets from our boys 😦
Take care everyone!
With all the news about JYJ and SME reconciliation and this smear campaigns against JYJ, I’ll say my piece by posting some quotes from one of my favorite movie… The Lord of the Rings. I think it’s a perfect metaphor to JYJ’s situation… I hope most of you get what I’m trying to convey.
First, a quote that I think SM believes in:
Gollum: The thieves. The thieves. The filthy little thieves. Where is it? Where is it? They stole it from us. My precious. Curse them. We hates them. It’s ours, it is, and we wants it.
For JYJ:
Galadriel: I give you the light of Eärendil, our most beloved star. May it be a light for you in dark places, when all other lights go out.
Aragorn: Hold your ground, hold your ground! Sons of Gondor, of Rohan, my brothers! I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. An hour of woes and shattered shields, when the age of men comes crashing down! But it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you *stand, Men of the West!*
Arwen: From the ashes, a fire shall be woken. A light from the shadow shall spring. Renewed shall be blade that was broken. The crownless again shall be king(s).
And finally:
Frodo: I can’t do this, Sam.
Sam: I know. It’s all wrong. By rights we shouldn’t even be here. But we are. It’s like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn’t want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it’s only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant something, even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn’t. They kept going. Because they were holding on to something.
Frodo: What are we holding onto, Sam?
Sam: That there’s some good in this world, Mr. Frodo… and it’s worth fighting for.
LOTR is one of my favs too.
I also love Pirates of the Caribbean
Pursuit of Happiness
Remember the Titans
and Finding Nemo ^______^
(ah there’s so many good movies out there)
@ pneonixia i like all movie u mention too persuit of happiness touched my heart really deep
“But in the end, it’s only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer.”
The darkness will pass. I’m sure! I have faith in this!
“Frodo: What are we holding onto, Sam?
Sam: That there’s some good in this world, Mr. Frodo… and it’s worth fighting for.”
It´s totally worth! ^__________^
All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king
this has always been one of my favourite poems, since my mom used to read the books to us when we were little kids. And even the first verse is appropriate. JYJ wanders the globe, but are not lost. Their deep roots sunk in the “ground” of our unfailing support will not be reached by SM’s frost, no matter how hard poor ol’ Jack LSM Frost tries 😀
Oh yeah, their “roots” is already too deep that LSM can’t even begin to fathom it’s reach… he try as he might to destroy JYJ but he won’t be able to. In the end, as the poem goes… the crownless again shall be KING(S)!!!!
Oh! I love this saga, The Lord of the Rings.
And yeah it’s a perfect metaphor to JYJ’s situation…
*sigh*
Suddenly, I feel like crying…
omg i luv you haha and i totally love LOTR 😛
THIS!!
“Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant something, even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn’t. They kept going. Because they were holding on to something.”
it’s not only for JYJ but for JYJ’s fans who have to deal with all the crappy things in the world.. as they say .. “What couldn’t kill us can only make us stronger”
@JYJfanboy
ROFL at Gollum’s quote!!! I think LSM mutters those very words to himself every night when he goes to bed!!
I always imagine LSM doing the Gollum dialogues for losing JYJ, specially evry time he hears good news for JYJ. But I very much compare him to Dark Lord Sauron himself…
@JYJFanBoy: oh yeah, one mroe quote just for ol’ LSauronM:
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
^_____^….my precioussssssss…..JYJ.
@JYJfanboy – “With all the news about JYJ and SME reconciliation”
Did I miss something? What reconciliation? Did they finally settle the lawsuit?
P. S. I love your quotes! Especially Arwen’s….yes, the crownless shall be kings again!!!!
@leah518
It’s just a rumor spreading around that SME/Avex is now willing to reconcile with the boys but fans are still in doubt about it. It was much discussed in the previous GAPP and there’s a post regarding that if you still haven’t read about it… it was few days ago.
LOL. I love the LOTR references!
@JYJfanboy
I never read any of LOTR, and I never saw any of the films. But reading the selections you chose, I can see the metphors and how they apply. Nice. I like. 🙂 Thank you for sharing.
I’m sorry I just have to post this video cause it makes me drool every time
gets to me everytime tbh ;-P
Likewise ^^
Woow hot video and ..YEAH this song was tottally made special for Jae ..It was the first thinng i thought when i heard it lol 😀
ROFLMAO~!!! I’m dying! So funny!!!!
If you no likee TOP, start at 4:23. Kekeke…^^
But really, who doesn’t like TOP?! LOL
Snuggle gloves! Oh Simon…I wish Junsu could meet you 😀
aigoo….my tummy hurts 😉
Bwa! I love Balloons! When life absolutely kicks me in the metaphorical balls, I break out the big guns and watch Balloons. It never fails to make me smile. I even keep it labeled, “In Case of Emergency…”
HAHA! This is so true. It has the ability to cheer you up on your saddest day! 🙂
I wish it was like that for me ….
never liked that song >_< … it's just annoys me so much …. the MV too ( never showed it to anyone )
Aigoo~ I was laughing so hard, I was already crying~
LALALALALA~ *does the Balloons dance*
@ Bluefyre
TOP ? hehe .. you mean GD 😀
Here is the Eng-subbed (click onto the CC button) vid of that Japanese TV program that talked about JYJ and the Ibaraki concert posted recently. (Pls note that the English is not the subber’s native language though nontheless it is very nice of him/her to try and translate it). A more detailed translation is also separately provided by smiley @ OneTVXQ.com below this video:—
“In Heaven”, the new album of JYJ, which was released in Korea in Sept, is causing repercussions.
Jaejoong, Yoochun, and Junsu, who left Tohoshinki because of their problems with the management company, made a new unit JYJ. Though they turned their back to the company and made a new start, the lawsuit with their previous company is still going on, so they were not able to hold live concerts.
In the new album, the members themselves composed and wrote the lyrics for most of the songs, they were participating positively to the production of the album. However, one of the songs in the album “Pierrot” was judged ineligible to broadcast by KBS, and had restrictions in their promotions.
(T/N: the lyrics of Pierrot)
The “p.s.m” phrase in the lyrics is said to be the initials of the President of their previous company, and it was interpreted that the lyrics was slandering an individual person. Thus, KBS judged the song ineligible to broadcast.
They were restricted from appearing in music programs not only in Korea but in Japan, too, and it was doubtful that events would be held. Their difficult situations were continuing for months. Under such difficult circumstances, JYJ’s event in Japan was held for two days without any special publicities. In the venue in Ibaraki, many fans gathered from all over Japan. According to the official announcement, the number was 80 thousand in 2 days!
Fan 1: (T/N: introducing her own name)
Fan 2: (T/N: introducing her own name) I hope that someone can make an environment so that they could promote freely in Japan.
Fan 3: I can feel that they are doing their best even under the current severe conditions, so I would like to support them as long as I can.
Fan 4: I feel that the connection between JYJ and the fans are very strong.
Fan 5: I hope that we can move forward with their love, and also with our love.
For the Japanese fans, the live concert and the new album were received with a flood of emotions. That may speak for the fact that the pre-order for “In Heaven” exceeded over 300 thousand. The album increased its sales, so that the shops had to make a special counter on the day of the release.
Yamamoto: We received a message from a JYJ fan. May I introduce it here?
Furuya: Yes, please.
Y: Sesami-san, 50 years old, a lady. Thank you very much. “I am always enjoying the broadcast. At last, JYJ released their Korean album! Though they haven’t done any promotions, the pre-order exceeded 300 thousand. That means, they are not only popular, but also have the real ability.”
F: It was the hot topics before release that the pre-order exceeded 300 thousand. If the 300 thousand sales is the actual number, the album will be the highest selling album in Korea this year. Of course there are gaps between the shipment and the actual sales number, so we do not know what the final results will be, but it means that the album is in high demand.
Y: Sesami-san also says that she would like to support JYJ’s activities in Japan, but their music videos are not broadcasted, and maybe the fans should feel impatient… I thought so, looking at her message.
F: Basically, their problem is not solved. In this stage, the promotions in both countries may be difficult in many cases.”
Source: 1596jiji
Translation: smiley @ OneTVXQ.com
Special thanks: chara1019
Credits: OneTVXQ.com
Waah thank you for this, they were straight and to the point in what they said so im glad, gaaah hopefully more people in japan start talking about JYJ :3
“I am always enjoying the broadcast. At last, JYJ released their Korean album! Though they haven’t done any promotions, the pre-order exceeded 300 thousand. That means, they are not only popular, but also have the real ability.”
There’s some popular idols group, but some of them not really have the real ability…So talent speak more that just popular by massive publicity.
** forget to add, from Sesami-san, 50 years old, a lady…
Thank you for posting this ^^
hey sorry it seems that ive caused quite a stir earlier on the photographers post i just saw the replies just now..i still think it’s kinda strange though..i dont know anything about photographies but the fanpics ive seen looks okay to me..the pic doesnt have to be picture perfect even screen caps would do ive seen a lot of really good hq fancams..im sure fans will not sue if they use those since it’s for jyj..
Hannah – thanks for translating.. sorry if i have offended you in any way please translate more article i appreciate what you all guys do for us
Fanpics were grainy, not good for press printing. And no professional photographer would use a grainy pics for their article, because he would be getting backlash from fans who don’t know the situation, and would deemed it as laziness. A lot of things that factor in as to why they won’t use it. And actually, so far, I haven’t seen any group pic of JYJ for the concert that looks passable. Fancams is different from taking pictures.
If I remembered correctly, the press were stationed on the 2nd level of the building? With the bad lighting, the dome, and JYJ was all over the place interacting with their fans, it would be understandable that they couldn’t get a good group pic. They don’t have a problem taking individual pic, but for group pics, it look a bit hard.
You can say that they can zoom in though they are far away. It doesn’t work like that. It’s harder to take group pics when you’re at a high place, looking down. The concert stage is big for 3 and dancers, with a half dome like structure. JYJ were placed far apart. If to get 3 in one frame, from the distant of the photographers, they would get the whole stage, as well as some audiences, that would make JYJ look tiny in a picture. It won’t look good, because that picture would be deemed all over the place, there is no focal point. So it’s better from a high point, far from the stage, to just take the whole area. Stage, fans. So you can get a focal point of the blotch of red, then the stage. That’s why you see a lot of fan pics.
And it’s obvious that they can zoom in, to only one or two members at a time. Since JYJ boys did went around the stage, far apart from each other to interact with fans. You can see it in fancams.
I don’t know if all press were on the 2nd level? Or some on the ground. If there were some on the ground, then those on the ground must’ve been enjoying the concert instead of taking pictures. It’s easier to take group pics on the same level, close distant.
Anyway, you can try go to a high building with a group of friends, ask them to spread out, then you look down on them and see if you can take a good group pic on it. And when you developed the picture, see if it’s a good pic to publish.
/note, a good picture has to have focal point
No we’re not even talking about the press here, it’s the organizer who did not have pictures of jyj..
they should know the venue coz they are the one who chose it in the first place..their excuse of not having a pic together because the boys are dancing too hard sounds pretty lame to me..if they are not able to take the pic because of limitation on the location that it’s too near etc they should have found a better place where they could take that pic if they really wanna do their job..since the back part was pretty empty they could have just went down the pit and stood on a seat or a stool and took that one pic
anyway it’s not even important anymore coz it’s already done..
just one note and then I’ll leave this alone: even with the high tech cameras, there are limitations on the viewing ability with the photo on the camera. Once you get the image off onto the computer, many times a pic you ~thought~ was great on the camera turns out to be fuzzy, wrong thing in focus, etc. And I bet the photographers shot the concert and then started looking at the shots, cause unless the team was large enough, it’s hard to do both (shoot and proof the pics).
I agree that the organizers should have known their venue, but since the photographers are the same guys that did the photography on their american tour, i’d have to assume that they tried their best and it was just an unfortunately set of circumstances that ended with this result. Thank god that for OUR (fans) purposes, fancams and fanpics are sufficient 😀
whoops, sorry missed the last sentence in the fist paragraph: “…cause unless the team was large enough, it’s hard to do both (shoot and proof the pics). You need at least three people per camera if you’re doing live proofing: one photographer, one runner to shuttle cards, and one proofer to dump the card to computer and proof the pics.”
Press here is Photographers/organizer. They said they don’t have a pic of JYJ together while dancing onstage. Doesn’t mean they don’t have a pic of JYJ together when at off time. They meant no dancing pics of JYJ together.
And they obviously don’t know before hand that something like this gonna happen. And it’s not like it’s easy for JYJ to pick venues. More like the venues pick them now, and not the other way around. Maybe they did but the pictures didn’t turn out as they wanted. Sometimes, with a roll of 1000 pics, professional with standard would discard them all if he doesn’t find one he like. And the problem is simply JYJ dancing. They can’t take a pic of them together dancing. They want a pic of the 3 dancing. Not even posing, but dancing. Like the one from Ibaraki.
Sorry, just wanted you to understand what the article was talking about, and their reason is not that off, take into consideration of the venue that I’ve seen from fancam.
Today’s gif is wonderful! I love jyj’s concert bow signature. It is hearthwarming. Don’t ever change please, dear JYJ! Instead, please don’t ever stop to improve, and to be better.
Today’s pics are from Newark, right? 🙂
🙂 That’s what I thought also. It’s the lighting.
Dear @BAF sis, read your discussion with jyjfanboy in yesterday Gap. I m getting old..or forgetful, for what I know was that..JYJ Cjes..cancelled the Indonesia and Singapore scheduled concert..Malaysia was never in the list, yes, initial plan it did, but Redstar decided not too…and it rumor to, SM to held concert for Suju in Msia. You don’t know how we were bashed by Suju fan coz a rumor that SM not happy with Redstar organizing JYJ concert and maybe Suju concert will cancelled. That period of time…fan were sadden..but still support our beloved JYJ. Sorry if I m wrong.
you are not wrong
it’s true the one which get cancelled is my country (Indonesia) and Singapore
@Miaw…thank you. ^____^ . Happy Friday tommorow.. weekend.
Well, I stand corrected. Thank you.
hi ladies^^
to all muslim ‘selamat hari raya aidiladha’
btw im happy rn…2mrw night im going back to my hometown… hoorayyyy!!!!
finally i can runaway frm uni life for a week… XDDD
but a holiday w a lot of assignments to do O_o”””
to people who r ad graduating n working, i jz want to say that ‘im jealos w u all!!!!!!’
p/s: sorry.. im a bit stress rn… LOL
‘selamat hari raya aidiladha juga^^
‘selamat hari raya aidiladha’ too for all muslim (including me) in around of all the world ^^
Hi @love and @lovejae….where you from? Wish u happy holiday.
im frm msia… ^^
Hari isnin depan cuti kan. Selamat Hari Raya…nice meeting u. Hati hati balk kampung.
terima kasih… naik bas 6 jam bru smpi… T___T slmt hari rya…. XDDD
Wishing you a happy holiday!
Enjoy your rest! Balance out the homework and JYJ fangirling~ 😉
I’m also a college student, so I know how you feel!
Second semester in the Philippines starts next week… so got a lot of studying to do again! 😦 Meanwhile, I’m enjoying the final days of semestral break!
uni life is hard… T___T
i thought if we r in uni we r free to do things we want… but surely i have to enjoy my life as uni student..
but what makes me more sad, there r no handsome boys in my class… LOL XDDD
Truly, it is! I used to have the same thinking when I was in high school. I thought in Uni we can just cut all our classes and still get high grades… but we all learned the hard way.
HAHAHA Awwww, Love! How about imagining JYJ instead? That will keep you inspired to study! :>
LOL.. if i keep imagining JYJ i will keep dreaming n not studying… haha
surely uni life is hectic… btw what course did u take???
I’m taking up Family Life and Child Development! It’s like family and child psychology. 😉
How about you?
u must like kids rite??? im a witch-to-be.. but modern witch^^ i take pharmacist…
I don’t like kids…. I love them! 😀
My best friend is also taking up Pharmacy! Is it safe to say that she’s also a modern witch? HAHA! 😉 Wow, that’s such a hard course! Lots of Chemistry subjects *___*
i have 4 niece n 3 nephew but still i dun know how to be close w them.. haha
yeah a lot of bio+chem n need to learn bout bussiness too.. =_=” luckily we dun have math courses…
i really3 hate math… so ur friend also modern witch too??? hahaha
HAHA Yes, my best friend is a modern witch… that can cure sick people! Like you, someday! 😀
Don’t worry, you’ll make it through! My friend and I are graduating in one and a half years. We’re making it through, so I bet you also will. Good luck! 😀
u too goodluck^^
lets fight!!! hwaiting!!!^^
selamat hari raya too..^^
tapi tetep gag libur juga .. kan Lebarannya hari Minggu … senin tetep kerja .. arrrgghhh …
please click “LIKE” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9EFJz-9L0M&feature=youtu.be&a
anties is at it again. if you guys ntice, its always JYJ japan-related clip on youtube get so many dislike, more than korea-relate. the anties group in japan at it again, sighhhh
Hai, happy idul adha to you too. I’m jealous at you because tomorrow I won’t be able to go back to my hometown since I must stick in my workplace. So I guess it is fair, you are jealous at me and I am jealous at you lol.. But one thing for sure, just enjoy your college time, it is a precious moment. Sure you will get your dreamjob if you study hard and work hard to pursue it.
okey, this is epic fail.. my comment is supposed to be a reply to @lOve post above. kekeke,, sorry guys,, have a nice day! ^___^
haha… its ok!!!^^
yeah i cant wait to graduate->work… but im starting to worried rn bcz my specialize field is almost saturated in d country/.. i have to compete w a lot of people if i want to get d job. cant rely on d government anymore… ~sigh
@love.. Life is a song..lets sing it. Hang on. Love your life…don’t worry about to get a job. Believe in your dream.
yeah… i still have 3 more years to graduate^^ its too early to worried bout that.. i need to study harder so i can compete w other people… n as long as i still get my scholarship i can enjoy my life… XDDD
[TRANS] 17th Korea Musical Awards – JYJ Kim Junsu drew attention through the musicals “Tears of Heaven” and “Mozart”, and is garnering interest (from the public) to see if he can once again win the popularity award. (src: TVREPORT)
PS I have read over the convo in the last GAP and I’ve missed out on it. Real life WAYLT?
[TRANS] The 17th Korea Musical Awards will air live on SBS on 14 Nov, 5.20pm, at the Seoul Olympic Hall. (src: Asia Today)
Fanaccount
“Junsu, his manager and yoochun were inside a shop so we decided to see through the shop window and wait. We tried to be calm like nothing was happening because we don’t want to disturb them. But when we looked back, Yoochun was behind us smoking, looking at us and smiling like,” I know you are fans, girls.”
LOL Chun XD
LOL… sooooo cute!!!
ROFL
XD XD XD
If I were the girls, I’d be so thrilled! EEEEEK *blushes*
chunface … you never know when he will popup .
the quotes from Ralph Waldo Emerson
“Real action is in silent moments.”
“To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children…to leave the world a better place…to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is to have succeeded.”
“To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment.”
another quotes :
I have always thought the actions of men the best interpreters of their thoughts.- John Locke
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Quincy Adams
Honest hearts produce honest actions.-Brigham Young
True freedom is where an individual’s thoughts and actions are in alignment with that which is true, correct, and of honor – no matter the personal price.Bryant H. McGill
You prove your worth with your actions, not with your mouth.-Jean Paul
Those that are the loudest in their threats are the weakest in their actions.-Charles Caleb Colton
He who busies himself with things other than improvement of his own self becomes perplexed in darkness and entangled in ruin. His evil spirits immerse him deep in vices and make his bad actions seem handsome. – Ali ibn Abi Talib
+1
You’ve done it again. Really great ones. 🙂
I think I want to change my username to *silent warriors*……………………… JYJ DAE to the BAK. Great thing about JYJ’s success, they aren’t plastered EVERYWHERE but they are still achieving success. That’s like a stab to SME and friends. XD
SME and “friends” HMMM :>
Aw, but I like your name as it is! 😦
Ah thanks ❤ but I should of been more clear. I meant my twitter name!
BTW i like your avatar
it was one of my favorite pics that Jae took for his tweet
love their dorks act ^^
MTE I love the group’s dynamics! It’s so refreshing loving all three of the adorkable dorks XD And when this pic came out it was my all time fav of JYJ pics~
Oh lord another sh*tstorm
RT: @JYJtack
always thought @Asahi is somewhat respectful.. Can’t believe Asahi wrote JYJ article representing one-sided story n ignoring neural facts
what is going on?
Asahi a Japanese newspaper is doing the same sh*t GQKorea is doing but only in Japan this time.
Oh no, what article is this D:
RT: Mission4JYJ
[참가부탁] 한미FTA로 나라에 우환이 가득한 가운데 짬을 내 신경써 주셨으면 하는 일이 있습니다.
11월 1일자 아사히신문은 지면과 웹에서 [동방신기 5인의 재결합을 바라지 않는 팬이 있는 이유]로 3명에 대해서는 ‘안티성 자료에 기반을 둔 부정적인면만’ 부풀리고, 2명에 대해서는 ‘부정적인 면을 거의 배제’한 기사를 실었습니다.
[625집회를 알게 된 이후, “2명이 배신했다”라고 해석한 3명에게 거부감이 들어서 다섯의 재결합을 반대한다],[이미 3명은 아티스트가 되어서 딱히 다섯의 재결합을 바라지 않는다]라는 의견을 인용했는데요. 해당 기사의 작성자 스스로가 2막의 팬이라 밝힌 바, 기사의 근원이 되는 자료 수집이 지극히 편파적이고 한정적일 수 밖에 없습니다.
이에 [내가 동방신기 5인의 재결합 바라지 않는 이유]로 팬들의 생생한 의견을 정중히 보내보는 건 어떠십니까? 앉아서 떠먹여주는 친절한 자료조사! 물론, 언론으로서 공정함을 저버린 [편파와 루머 보도에 대한 항의]를 따로 해주셔도 좋을 듯 합니다. 기사의 피드백이니 소중히 받을거라 믿어 의심치 않습니다. 다양한 의견을 듣고 새로운 시각으로 색다른 판단을 하실 수 있게 될지도 모르니까요! (멘션 언어는 한,영,일 상관없을 듯^^)
참고로, 아사히 신문(@asahi ) 사회면 (@asahi_shakai ) 아사히웹 WEBRONZA (@webronza ) WEBRONZA 편집장(@isshikikiyoshi ) 등등 의견교류의 창구가 많네요^^
My little understanding of Korean is that JYJ betrayed their “2 brothers” and that they spread hateful messages and defamed the innocent “2 brothers” referring to the 6.25 meeting (which again was like 2 freaking YEARS ago -_-) And that JYJ fans does not wish for a TVXQ reunion (because all we ever do is bash TVXQ *rolleyes*)
Yay my Korean isn’t that bad XD below is what I almost said lol
RT: @JYJtack
Asahi has an article on why some did not want TVXQ to unite and they only exaggerated negative aspects based on data of Hotels
me too quite shock when i read that asashi d one who wrote this…
but theres nothing impossible rn… with money u can do anything inc throw away ur moral n humanism aside… rn d world seems keep moving backward… ~sigh~
but why they attack JYJ fans??? i guess they want to pour oil into d fire between OT5 vs JYJ fans..
This is getting repetitive I swear! Every FREAKING time JYJ pawned SME and friends this same shit from someone write these kinds of articles. We, JYJ fans shouldn’t only be the ones keeping up to date with CORREC/ACCURATE info and evidence. It’s also their jobs to research ACCURATE info/evidence before they do this bogus crap. Wonder how much SM/AVEX paid them this time. GQ Korea is already SME’s friend so now Asahi has joined SME and friends. *sighs*
the typos and fail T_T
(@Widmung_01)
Just to update what’s happening here and in Japan.
Fans in JPN/KOR are making complaints to Asahi @asahi as it wrote an article based on rumors what JYJ’s antis (I’d say HoTels) say. It quoted an opinion that “I oppose the reunification of the five members because I was repulsed by the three members who considered the other two as betrayers after I heard about the 625 meeting”. and how could possible a nationwide newspaper write such rumor without any filtering? @asahi_shakai @isshikikiyoshi
This is what hotels always saying and I’m sick of hearing the word 625 meeting.
It was not about someone betrayed or not, and you will see the whole script on http://mission4jyj.wordpress.com/.
I cannot help but wonder that something is behind this as this is sooo alike what hotels and SM say all the time.
Please show your protest to Asahi, as they seriously tried to damage JYJ reputation in JPN.
It’s a little suspicious for me that this comes after the rumor about settlement with SME/AVEX vs CJes and also their Spain concert!!!
trying to pressure JYJ’s side into conceding with the settlement?
Or could it be retaliation because Sejong is not biting? Either way, the only thing they are really going to do is muck up their own side. They should remember, actions have consequences.
just wondering if this about the 625 meeting then can we give the truth of 625 meeting to @ASAHI ?
i am sure we have it in JYJfiles also if i’m not mistaken our site also have it
here the link of those articles in JYJfiles
http://thejyjfiles.wordpress.com/2011/02/10/the-6-25-meeting-summary-and-explanation/
anyone in here have a link to ASAHI ?
sorry @thebankofjyj i don’t know that u has post the link of the 625 meeting in above
actually i’m not gonna surprise if there are some bad rumor gonna spread after our boys success because it was always happen but i believe that our boys can handle it with their own way n of course the support n help from their fans too at least for this case for give a public some truth n fact about the case
because i’ a believer so i also believe that even though those people gonna try spread a lies but God never sleep, God knew everything n i’m sure the truth gonna reveal soon one by one till there are nothing left
Sounds fishy..
Anyway I’m glad if they will not be reunited EVER !!!!
Who wants to join with some haters fan .. imagine we have to share the same fandom with them ? andwaeee…
My conciousness doesn’t allowed it.
i hope they will reunite when North Korea will reunite with South Korea!
This is the first time I dare to say this out loud!
@lina LOL we won’t be seeing that in our lifetime if that’s the case.XD
@Lina
Your comment made me LOL! very much into my tea LOL!
There will always be people trying to damage the boy’s reputation so it’s something that we shouldn’t put much stress into, considering their lack of reliable sourcing in the article. I want it to be translated in English though, just to get a feel of how off they are in their story. The reporter is probably sinking in the fan’s hoards of complaints. I’ve always been under the impression that Bigeast hasn’t been receiving the correct materials and news from the fandom and getting dragged into those rumors.
Hm…This suspicious..after 2 years??? I guess Asashi just open the internet this years to get the info.( Well seemed like HoTel girls won with their tactic this time. Even got supported by big media..-_-!”.).I mean after the SM/A lawsuit news yestarday suddenly we got news like this…I assumed now they want to use psychological games with the fans. It’s seemed they want to used public and pushed JYJ to the corner……In Korea the fans stand behind JYJ and demand GQ apologizes on they next edition…….It worked…Our JYJ boys and our JYJ japan fans friends need our voice to help them now… As JYJ fans, We also have our part on this…..GIve us the twitter name or anything to reach this stupid media..grrrrrr…….They talked about 625? Fine…let’s talk about this meeting with them ..Lets educate them with this 625 thingy….
thebankofjyj:
your posts are always so attacking.
Asahi has written plenty of positive articles about JYJ, lately also about Jaejoong’s drama. And now when they include a few quotes (yes, direct quotes from people who are obviously not JYJ fans), you say the newspaper is corrupt. Oh PLEASE.
I understand that you want to have everything always positive about your idols, but it’s not possible for a newspaper to only have one opinion. And the quotes were clearly stated a quotes, so.. feel free to send feedback that you don’t agree with person X’s opinions.
Please also feel free to mention that you actually haven’t even seen, never mind read, the original article, but have all your information from a 3rd hand translation.
I am a JYJ fan and I support them wholeheartedly, but sometimes, quite often, this blog has numerous entries that are not thought-through at all and are so ready to crucify everyone and anyone – based on a 3rd or 4th party’s opinion and translation (that, as we’ve seen, are often very wrongly translated).
Nevermind the rumors and blowing them off proportion.
It makes people like me not want to read the contents, although we’d very much like to discuss things too.
Oh, and if anyone actually wants to READ the original article and not quote rumors and cry FOUL!, here is the link: http://astand.asahi.com/magazine/wrnational/2011102100012.html
Nothing wrong if you want to say your opinion, everyone have a freedom but why using some source from JYJ anti fans…a jurnalist doing something like this..tsk..tsk..this is a big fail and they are not only speak but also posting their opinion in articel with that source from JYJ anti fans..sigh..i can’t understand this ?
@mjjejelove
oh, I don’t know…could it POSSIBLY be because the writer was trying to find out why there were people who oppose THSK5’s reunion in the first place? because, she is looking at the whole mess very objectively and needs people’s opinions for that….
so for someone in a blog to say that it’s a journalism fail…. oh really……
The article has FOUR parts:
1. THSK/JYJ before and after the break up – general view
2. the too wide range of fans’ standpoints about THSK/JYJ – general view
3. Looking into why there are fans who do not wish for THSK5’s reunion
4. the writer’s comment to people who want THSK5 to continue their activities
@ jessica-jj
“general view” are you sure, why i can’t feel that?
so, you have jpass ID and actually read the full story (not just the first section that is up on the link that Shangri posted above. Which is a very good general views, yes, on the before- and after.)? And you still think that way? I’m confused.
ah ok…this is what i feel by the way,
I can speak japanes and i’m afraid some one like me already feed up with just like shangri said rumor and misstranslation can you trans the whole this japanes articel to english so we can understand.
And do they really add something like this in that articel ? do they ask JYJ fans view too ? coz this is feel like the writer didn’t look at the whole mess very objectively.
“It quoted an opinion that “I oppose the reunification of the five members because I was repulsed by the three members who considered the other two as betrayers after I heard about the 625 meeting”
anyway i dont have a problem with the other opinion just something like this.
@Shagri
First thanks for the link to the original article.
We all should be careful. I agree you see this phenom in much of the K-pop fandom. I call it Viral Pseudo news, that relies on the he said… she said, where people often don’t ask for the source of the information and even if they have a source they don’t read the article for themselves.
It goes like …. well I heard from Mike, who heard it from Jane, who heard it from Bill. And when you ask Bill what newspaper did he read the story … Bill says oh I never read the story, I read it on twitter I think…. Well when did Twitter become a trusted source for truth? The other issue is the translation from Korean to English. I now go to several websites to read the english translations because, the skill of each translator is different. By reading a variety of versions of the article you get a better understanding of what the writer was trying to convey or what the person being interviewed was really trying to say.
The bottom line is we need to ask for the source, read it for ourselves and then we can have an informed discussion about the issue. Anyway, thanks for the article link.
Okay…
@OnlyJaYouSu I got the e-mail.
I’ll brace myself. Thanks
Perhaps someone can kindly translate and provide subs for this article in its entirety so we can clear up any rumors or misinterpretations? That will be most helpful indeed. Even IF it turns out to be a negative article, it’s always good to know all the facts. After all, Knowing thy enemy is a time-tested battle strategy that’s helped won many a war.
At the end of the day, everyone here who considers himself/herself a JYJ fan all have our love and support for JYJ as the common denominator—-its the ONLY one that should matter, right?
So if we strip away all our cultural/linguistic/bias/semantics differences and subvert our pride-egos for a while, we really ARE all on the SAME side here.
Contrary to most other kpop fandom, JYJ-family is unique in that our make-up is across a much wider age-gender range (as opposed to only tween-teens fangirls). Accordingly, many here fall into the college-age to professional working demographics who—-as a result of their greater life-seasoning/experience, social-intelligence and emotional maturity—-often tend to possess strong opinions and are not afraid to voice them either in defense of JYJ’s mistreatment or of the truth in general.
Please don’t let the noisy outside detractors divert us from our path or divide us through frivolous in-fighting. Stay focused and keep your eyes on the prize. Everyone’s input here can be invaluable if we exercise prudence and wisdom.
I’ve always felt welcomed here and truly believe that there’s always room for anyone with sincerity here at the JYJ3 table.
Sigh~
Guys, calm down a bit ok?
@Shangri Thanks so much for te new info and sorry if it was not accurate it’s just that so many bad things have been said about JYJ. We are in defensive-mode… and the way to have information about JYJ is very limited for a lot of fans that can not understand korean nor japanese.
It would be great if you could translate the article so we could ‘judge’ it in a wiser way.
Thank you.
Actually thanks for taking the time to read my “attacking post” =_= If you have read my post, I quoted a Korean fan and got the info from Korean fans on twitter. If you have a problem then take it up with them before you bark up the wrong tree. They did not post up the link to the original article so I guess that’s the only thing I’ll say thanks for but other than that don’t come at me with this insane fangirl attitude that you think I have. Because I don’t but once something bad happens to JYJ and JYJ fans I will always defend them. So my attacking posts will continue on. Feel free to continue following me and my rabid posts though.
My problem with your posts in general is that they’re 3rd hand translated information – at best.
And so the fact value is not high.
And still you post it like it 100% true and add fueling comments to them.
Of course you want to “defend” your idols… but what if there’s nothing to defend and you’re barking up the wrong tree… should the other party’s fans then come and demand an apology from you because you wrote wrongly about them? Or write bad comments about the entire community because that’s what you’ve done more than once?
Spreading halftruths or completely false information… don’t you think it would be wise to check if it’s legit first?
I believe it could be considered a kind of trolling.
Feel free to continue with your….posting style…, just wanted to say that it doesn’t give a good image of JYJ international fandom.
“just wanted to say that it doesn’t give a good image of JYJ international fandom.”
LOL. Please point out to me what fandom has a good image. None. SNSD, SuJu, KARA, 2NEI,TVXQ/Homin etc. fandoms don’t have a “good” image either if I take one person’s posts and somehow suggest that it is representative of everyone as you seem to be doing. I say inflammatory things but…..meme or Sapphire (and some other members here) for example don’t. Who is more representative of the JYJ fandom? Me or them? If we all belong to the JYJ fandom it doesn’t mean we all necessarily have the same stance or the same manner of expressing ourselves. Our common focus is our love of JYJ not making a kumbaya-society.
How about the ladies in Vietnam who set up the “JYJ Family Vietnam Charity Foundation”. Why don’t you think about them when you mention “representation” in the JYJ fandom? You discriminate and are as biased as anyone else so kindly get off your little high horse.
Everyone is so obsessed with looking “good.” We have silly fanwars and dumb discussions and not-so-great moments like any other fandom. So? Gonna sue or something? People who dislike us don’t give a damn about finding out “good” things. They are stuck in their point of view and I am not going to censor myself to make you happy and neither should the bankofjyj. She is really cool.
“OMG! Don’t say that! You make us look bad!” Whatever lady. If you can’t stand the heat….get out of the kitchen.
@MIA2:
That was uncalled for. No matter what, she had a valid point of finding out sources before we rattle off on “the big bad wolves.” Yes, we have occasional silly fan wars, doesn’t mean we cant right that-if we have the resources. i don’t see this high horse that she is riding on. Like you said, not everyone agrees with everyone’s point of view (like i don’t yours now), and just coz you think a person is cool for thinking this way (bankofjyj), not everyone has to think so.
MIA2;
It seems you think it’s “cool” to post false rumors and add even more inflammatory comments about them and watch how other people, who do not have the resources to confirm or dismiss add even more heated comments. Nevermind encouraging others to send angry messages to X because of what they’ve published.. even though no one really knows what X’s article said in the first place.
Ah well, each to their own.
I myself find your definition of “cool” odd.
Personally, I do not care how you want JYJ’s international fans to be portrayed.
But I would like to belong to a community that is known for being friendly and positive – not rumor-spreading and ill-mannered.
I do not have anything to do with any other fandoms you mentioned – nor do I care about those. Reason above.
You see me giving critique you obviously aren’t comfortable with – but is it really wrong of me to not support what I (and, I would like to think a normal fan too) consider bad features of a fandom?
Not everyone wants their fandom to be as _scandalous_ as some.
“Whole a lot of noise about nothing/Crying wolf” vs. “Raising your voice when it matters.” is also one way to look at it; especially with JYJ’s current situation.
Frankly, the comments in this post, your personally insulting one included, have reminded me exactly why I used to stay away from international fansites. And also why I can’t see myself returning to this one.
Keep your kitchen; one day you might find yourself there all alone.
@shangri @W007
BRAVO for standing up for your opinion!!!!
Let’s put it this way… let’s all agree to disagree.
This a site that every type of personality come to have dialogues, express opinions and most of the time have fun and spazz about JYJ. To everyone: Conflict is cannot be avoided due to language barriers, personalities and ideals but let’s not shoot each other in the foot…
@jyjfanboy
“Let’s put it this way… let’s all agree to disagree.”
I always find that’s a good way to go. I’m of the opinion that reasonable men and women differ. We all enjoy the benefits of a lively dialog here, there are many extremely intelligent and perceptive people here and we simply can’t and don’t agree on everything. That’s fine, reasonable differences are an acceptable fact of life. Personally I found that it helped to get to know people here a bit too. Certain of us have very different styles of communication. Before just diving in and taking personal offense, I think sometimes it helps to lay back and just observe for a while and see who your “natural group of like minds” are.
From personal experience I can say that I’ve grown to love the rabble-rousers every bit as much as the diplomats here. Quite frankly, when the going gets rough and the shit hits the fan, I find comfort (and back up!) in having several of both types on our side of the barricades and I think shangri and W007 might feel that way too in time. What we DON’T want here is fanwar-type activity. It helps no one, nobody ever changes anybody’s mind and furthermore, I don’t think there’s ever anything much to be learned when people are just venting, except maybe how futile it all is.
U make a valid point, I personally wish I cud read japanese so I could decide if the article is indeed full of slander agaonst JYJ……..its just jusging from that quote, its kind of alarming bc its really extreme, I guess bc JYJ arent being talked about in japanese media and they arent or cant go on tv for interviews, and they havent been active in japan for almoat a year now, there is no possibility for jyj to come forth and tell their side of the story,leaving the general public with a bad impression. Then again, I havent read the whole article bc I cant so im curious.
Then please explain why Japanese fans are angry at Asahi? They are Japanese, and know Japanese, don’t read shit like 3rd hand translation?
Surely, through logic and common sense, there is a reason for why Japanese fans are angry at Asahi when this article was out. That’s all I care for, that Japanese fans were angry at it. And the article you link is in Japanese. I can’t read Japanese. And you just translated briefly what’s in Japanese for us. How would I believe that you’re not dooping us? I’ll just believe that the Japanese fans are angry at Asahi for a reason. Because there must be something wrong for a group of people to be angry after reading an article about their idols in their own language.
Yeah yeah, JYJ3 is wrong, yady yada. #rolleyes.
Sigh~
Guys, calm down a bit ok?
@Shangri Thanks so much for te new info and sorry if it was not accurate it’s just that so many bad things have been said about JYJ. We are in defensive-mode… and the way to have information about JYJ is very limited for a lot of fans that can not understand korean nor japanese.
It would be great if you could translate the article so we could ‘judge’ it in a wiser way.
Thank you..
I’m native Japanese and read the article.
It wasn’t a news article but a opinion column by a woman associate professor named Tomomi Shibuya. According to her wiki page she is a great fan of TVXQ and her hobby is watching TVXQ DVDs. *rolls eyes*
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%BE%81%E8%B0%B7%E7%9F%A5%E7%BE%8E
It was a short column but she said something like “JYJ should give a proper explanation about the 625 meeting. As for people who want to know what the 625 meeting is, I can’t explain it all here so come look here. (link to a pay to view site).”
I haven’t read the pay to view article ( I certainly don’t want to give her money for writing BS articles) but anyone with an ounce of objectivity should know that the 625 stuff is a bunch of nonsense cooked up by crazy Homin fans. And to bring it up now and saying that JYJ should explain shows she’s pretty deluded.
I have a feeling that Asahi wasn’t purposely putting a one-sided column based on rumor in their paper but rather failed to check. I mean non-fans have no idea what 625 is and the editor probably didn’t think it was that big of a deal.
Oh! Thank you!!! So it’s like that.
6.25 meeting *sigh* it was so many time ago. and to tell the truth, it’s not relevant. Really. most of that were said there were things that the people already guessed without the ‘help’of this meeting .And the the tone of whole thing were just assumptions … anything was assured there.
Thank you @bengal…
hope you’ll visit JYJ3 more often to give us some feedbacks about the Japanese side of story.
@Bengal
Thank you for taking the time to clear some things up. You are really appreciated!
After JYJ successful concert in Japan and Europe. Shits are now being spew without sources. So please. Don’t believe in them. This shit always happen when JYJ get success. I’m so god damn tired of it.
It’s hard to believe they are from the same country!
They must feel proud because their compatriots is being recognized abroad.
EXACTLY!!
I was soooo proud when my compatriots had big success in Europe.
almost of us has used with this situation right ? when our boys has gain success, those people (i’m sure u guys know who i’m talking about ) gonna spread some bad rumor…it was always happen but like the quotes said : action is more loud than a words….beside our boys has prove it many times through their interview n people also can see or watch in YT (knee drop guru with the other two as their guest) who is the one that speak about lies n who is the betrayal also speak a bad thing about our boys
sorry if i must used this words because they are the first one who talk about betrayal so i just copied it from them so don’t feel offended with my comment n i’m gonna stop in here before i speak some more harsh word which i really try not to do that anymore, i also don’t have any purpose to create some fan wars in here because i just wanna let it out
Oh dear…again. Someone has been very busy lately…giving shit story again and again. Rumor rumor rumor….lie lie lie…. I felt like a bomb was thrown a me on ‘Conciliation’issues yesterday and now this. Half of my sensible brain still hurt after attending industrial law and employment ordinance….trying to get the lawyer on d my reasonable doubt clear with JYJ -conciliation since morning. Need to sleep….yet I m mad..this is totally ‘Defamation’ and ‘Discrimation’ of media publicly toward JYJ.
Discriminations….
what the ? i’m sick of these b***shits ! why they cant just leave boys alone ? please can someone make a formal statement against this newspaper ? can we ask cjes to make move legally and end to this shit once for ever ?
This is getting ridiculous and its just making it more obvious how pressed SME and Avex are. On the upside, every non-fan that reads up on JYJ’s misfortunes becomes a die-hard JYJ supporter so I guess we’ll see even more new JYJ fans after this onslaught LOL.
I know, right?
There are new fans of JYJ that became fans after the split of DBSK.
I kinda was a fan of them when they were 5, but I’ve became a die-hard fan of JYJ after they split. 😀
I don’t know who Clara Orti is (sassech is her on twitter). She just tweeted a photo of the boys at the last night in Barcelona. here is the link: http://yfrog.com/nzbapuj
I asked her if the boys still do their vocal training. as I know they are so busy, but I always wanted to know that. so I asked her and she replied that: yes, still do
that is nice to know
That’s good to hear. I’m worried about Chun’s voice.
Three points that HM stans keep attacking JYJ with (despite the rumor mill they’ve been on since July 31 2009 <.<)
1. JYJ "The" didn't sell enough. Means they don't have as many fans as ppl thought!
2. People keep saying that JYJ will have a career in music after 30 years of age, but HM have high IQs and they can get a master degree in business and start their own business after 30 too.
3.THSK in 2010 sold 86,000 + it's first week while 2VXQ sold 100K -113K (?) so 2VXQ doesn't need JYJ!
My answers to these twits are
1. JYJ's (JJY) "The" was NOT promoted. They didn't do the amount of promotion HM did (train ads +100000 other promotions they did for Tone) For w/e reasons also they didn't ATTACH the THSK name though it will always be attached with them -_-. So tell me after all this how would JYJ have made a huge splash with NO promotions with a MINI album? As compared to a FULL album with promotion? Please do educate me ^O^
2. Ah the high IQs HM stans are so proud of…… (though I believe it's all a ploy to make them sound educated) what have they done or are doing with this supposedly "high IQ"? Let me reiterate what JYJ have done and are doing. Currently JYJ have their own businesses and at that gaining experience. I believe they will be the business moguls out of the 5. They've already started and they are not even 30 years old yet! Jaejoong has one of the best, if not the best articles when he is interviewed? He almost sounds like a philosopher. Also JYJ can play pianos (ALL 3), isn't that in itself an attribute to high IQs? Thank heavens JYJ do not brag about their IQs because then us JYJ fans will be superficial if they did.
3. This one is the one that gets a ………………………. from me -_- THSK in Japan last year were not promoting AT ALL. That in itself is an accomplishment because ZERO promotions were done for them in 2010. They don't seem to understand that their oppas ARE plastered everywhere and they only sold 20K + more than THSK5 did last year with NO promotions. Actually with this logic they shouldn't be so proud of this because Bigeast are very loyal plus they do not want to lose to SNSD.
I know this will get wank from HM stansand OT5) but the concrete proof of what has and did happen need to be engraved into their system so they can stop belittling JYJ.
The HM stans obviously will try to defame JYJ to try to make their oppars better. It’s ok, let them live in their own world and we support ours. Time will tell everything lol.
How come they never mention oppars failing all their dramas so far??? So much for having high IQs.
It seems like the HM fans are just like SM, stalking JYJ and try to defame JYJ whenever possible.
Oh the funny thing is they also say JYJ can’t sing which is hilarious because JYJ are the main vocals of the old TVXQ *smh*
They’re insecure because they know deep in their hearts that HM are INFERIOR to JYJ. When they were 5, even a non-fan would notice who among them had sublime musical artistry.
I wonder how HM felt when they heard the news about Yoochun being in the top 5 list of richest stars in their 20’s… rage, envy, regret?…
Some of those HM stans I’ve encountered are a bunch of ignoramus anyway. No matter how much you explain it to them logically, they just wouldn’t get it. It’s like talking to a wall so it’s better to ignore them.
Actually those statements are just sign of insecurity and jealousy, and even themselves are not too convinced that their Kings are doing great thus they need some kind of confirmation, just let them be. As long as Jae-Chun-Su are having great time taking vacation in Europe while having concerts to meet their European fans, and enjoying their multi dollar homes and boat and cars and soon….who needs those figures of sales and ranking in charts and trophies in awards?
About #3 …have they seen the statement of accounts of the current 2hsk, or do they have any idea what debit, credit, profit mean?, I think they only look at the sales and the Oricon ranking and the media releases, they better look at other items first before bragging around. Anyway, just leave those kids to take their time to grow their minds.
@Kris
“Actually those statements are just sign of insecurity and jealousy, and even themselves are not too convinced that their Kings are doing great thus they need some kind of confirmation, just let them be. ”
Absolutely agree. Leave them alone. Their fans are not them. I’m sure they are doing the best that they can. It’s tragic that within the SM idol system most of the money they make goes to “expenses”, “reimbursements” and then is payable to them perhaps only as a few percentage points of the net. All the evidence isn’t in yet about those high I.Q.s, but I would imagine that they’ve realized that even with all of the threatened SM retaliation fully in play for their ex-group-mates, the members of JYJ made the Pure Genius Move 2 years ago and they threw snake eyes.
Yes, they have a splashy, high profile career right now, no question. From the outside looking in, especially to young teenagers who haven’t left home yet, they look successful. What the teens don’t know is that all that splash costs heaps of CASH. Homin are literally spending it as fast as they make it, because all expenses come off the top. They get what’s left, ALLEGEDLY, and baby, I can tell you right now, that aint much.
Meanwhile their lesser I.Q. brothers across the aisle are all millionaires by now, all actively looking for their next investment. People–do you have any idea how PAINFUL this must be for Homin to have to think about?? Kiddie opinions aside, they must be in ANGUISH about the terrible decision they made. No wonder they won’t speak to the guys.
In my opinion, while IQ tests are potentially useful for gauging and measuring one’s intelligence, they are not without fault because the overall sum of one’s intelligence is somewhat arbitrary. One person may be strong academically whilst the other is not, but academic astuteness does account for the entire whole of their smarts. HoMin are perhaps intelligent in certain areas, they are not without mistakes & nor can they always make the ‘right’ decisions (ah, but who are we judge?)… They have their weaknesses as well. For what HoMin lacks JYJ compensates & vice versa. There are different forms of intellect. Perhaps not as scholarly as the pair, it does not necessarily mean JYJ are any less intellectual in their capabilities. Although they are not without fault either (e.g. as they too are often swept away by emotion), from what I have observed in their interviews and such, JYJ have displayed astounding maturity in both emotional facilities and philosophical ways.
@Claudelle
” Perhaps not as scholarl y as the pair, it does not necessarily mean JYJ are any less intellectual in their capabilities.”
I had a slight intake of breath at this statement, I admit. Has ANYONE, ever been able to demonstrate in any way Yunho’s “scholarly” tendencies??? Let alone Changmin’s? Honestly, the very thought of it is ludicrous.
@lilibaiyu Worry not! For the term, ‘scholarly,’ I was referring to these supposed scores in their academic life as far as I know. To be honest, I haven’t thought of them as the ‘scholarly’ type per se or demonstrate the abilities that are supposed come along with it to my knowledge O~O…
*see them demonstrate Darn this laptop.
Just got one thing to say:
A high IQ is meaningless if you do not go to your full potential. It is not an indicator to how successful a person is in their career or personal life.
A person can have an extremely high IQ yet be an utter sloth and where will that take them? Nowhere. High IQ is not a good justification at all.
I think I don’ t have a problem seeing JYJ soaring high as a fulfilled musicians and artists and seasoned businessmen, after 30 ,(since they have lower IQ, lol) and seeing those 2 being a college instructor or a neophyte businessmen with their “high IQ!”
I’d rather be a STREET SMART than a BOOK SMart. Here in the US, there are successful college drop outs who earn way more than those degree holders. JYJ are street smart. They know what they want and they go after it. In this world, you have to dream big and be assertive. If you choose to be otherwise, then you are TOAST. You will be a LAP DOG all your life (in layman’s term “loser”). Anyone can have a high IQ if they’re studious in school. Just sayin’. I know Chun’s IQ is over a hundred too like HM. JJ and JS just have lower IQs since they don’t like school I think.
Those so-called “IQ”‘s are just a label on paper in IMO. I dislike citing the term ‘high/low IQ’ because it makes JYJ sound… unintelligent or less than they are. Book-smart means nothing if you can’t apply it in the real worlds
In their interviews as DB5K before, I was always fascinated by JYJ’s (especially JJ and YC) interviews. They got substance in their answers. It’s poetic at times. While I find HM’s bland, especially H. I find his statements nonsensical plus he’s not even funny. Such a bore.
@fleur
“A high IQ is meaningless if you do not go to your full potential. It is not an indicator to how successful a person is in their career or personal life.”
Oh, man, do you ever have THAT right! My brother and sister are the poster children for THAT being true! lol
High I.Q. often means…. mental problems, among other things.
Just wanna say, the high IQ they bragged about are probably from the scipt in variety shows that talked about it and not the true results…If you wanna talk about intelligence, look at how JYJ talk about life in general from their interviews..Also, it takes more than an IQ to adapt and make it best out of life…
only one comment on this:
high iq =/= wisdom, and I’ll take wisdom any day. We already that JYJ has that in busloads. And ya, a little something something tells me they ain’t no dummies neither!
Sigh~
1. everyone have their own opinion about the future. We can only guess about it.
But I find really lame to use something as the future (wich is not sure at all) just to put down the effort of JYJ.
2. JYJ and the other artists situation were/are totally different and the ‘results’ can’t be compared without taking in consideration a lot of things.
PD. My dear fellow JYJers . Please, I beg you, Let’s NOT become like that too. It’s not necesary to put down other people to acknowledge JYJ’s value.
And use ‘some’ please… not all their fans but ‘some’ ..
Thank you .
Thank for reminding everyone solangejj 😀
I don’t give a damn about what people say about JYJ anymore. It’s ok, the more they get attacked, the more people will know about them and get curious. They can be the underdog in this situation and turn the table around in the end.
Haters gonna hate. JYJ supporters will stay as JYJ supporters. Non fans will not rely on 1 or 2 articles to make judgement if they wanted to know more about JYJ, they would read some other news and make the decision for themselves.
People with knowledge wouldn’t be dumb to believe that leaving the company that treated you badly and not paying your salary as an act of betrayal. I guess those rumors can only fool middle schoolers.
there’s an article about that “betrayal, ungrateful…”
Unhappy = Ungrateful? (http://seoulbeats.com/2011/11/unhappy-ungrateful/)
“Take the DBSK debacle for example. Was it money? Maybe — there was speculation a
bout the JYJ members and their investment in a cosmetics company, but the ultimate question is: why can’t they invest their money where they want? Oh, right: SM Entertainment owns them and they can only spend their money on whatever is “SM approved.” It really just comes down to issues with the working conditions imposed by their companies.
But does their expression of unhappiness mean that they are ungrateful for what the company has done for them? Absolutely not. Even with KARA and their incident, the main issue was about the members’ unhappiness with their working conditions. Both groups were forced to fulfill schedules in which they had no say. Sure, they’re getting paid, the company’s getting paid, it’s what they love to do, blah blah blah — but being
forced to do what you don’t want to do just sucks for everyone, celebrities included.
Should they have to suck it up more than normal folk? No, they shouldn’t. They’re people too.
“Just because you want the best conditions to do your job does not make you an ungrateful person.”
that interesting, I mean we work to got pay, even if we love that job,
we need live, if DBSK pass their golden age and they realize they have nothing,
@jaebabycutest
Oh God, oh God, Oh God…….. I did it again… I promised myself I wouldn’t and now… I did it. I commented on that thread on Seoulbeats…. Heaven help me.
VE Sister, what, you’re having memory lapses now? You vowed the last time was the last time. Remember now…if you keep doing the same things over again, expecting different results, that’s the definition of crazy. Don’t believe me? Ask Einstein. 😉
@BAF
“VE Sister, what, you’re having memory lapses now? You vowed the last time was the last time.”
Who, me? Are you kidding?? Memory lapses R Us these days. I can barely remember what I’m doing from one moment to the next. Good thing I have my evil twin here doing all my typing and composing all my posts (you know–so they make sense) Damn, she’s good though, no?
And yes, Yes, YES, I did it again! AArrgghh! I couldn’t help myself, honestly, I just could not NOT post something. I kept thinking the whole time I was writing, “just don’t say anything mean about Homin and you should be good to go.”
And it’s true! Nobody has dumped on me so far! I’m in shock, honestly. Every post from Seoulbeats that has shown up since I posted my comment, I’ve thought, “OK, here it comes…. somebody’s going to rip me a new assh*le now…” but so far so good. All the posters leaving comments are actually AGREEING with the general points made in the article! Bonus! And who knows…. maybe if I behave myself on Seoulbeats I can post again sometime!
Or my evil twin can anyway.
🙂
actually i was thinking the same way too the 1st time i heard about crebeu. its JYJ’s money, so why cant they do what they want with it? why must sme involved in their investment with their own money? wasnt it a proven evidence that sme control everything in our boys’ life? if they cant even do anything with what belongs to them, how can u be sure they have enough freedom to do what they want?how can u be sure if they happy with this kind of life?people in SK should understand about ‘freedom’ or ‘independence’ means, since they experinced being colonized and have no freedom, just like my country.and boy i’m glad my founding father fight for our freedom, coz then we have a better life here.
@one_nee
“actually i was thinking the same way too the 1st time i heard about crebeu. its JYJ’s money, so why cant they do what they want with it? ”
I’m going to go way out on a limb here and answer that question in this way (and keep in mind, it’s just my opinion)
I think SM controlled, quite strictly, the money their star attractions had access to. I think they wanted it that way. People who have no money can’t visit attorneys and discuss their options, let alone file lawsuits. When they left SM, JYJ realized NOTHING they had actually belonged to them. Even the fangifts given to them were said to have been retained by SM. All of their works in progress? Confiscated by SM. They walked out with nothing. Crebleu was so reviled by SM and their many fangirl apologists because oddly enough, THERE might have been a small source of income to keep them going that was legitimately theirs. This part of the story is still hazy quite frankly. We haven’t heard much about Crebleu since they were so maligned, their reputation so ruined they had to sue SM to get it to stop. But my theory is that SM must have told them not have further involvement with JYJ and Crebleu said, “Sorry, that’s our business, not yours” or some such. So SM just went ahead and tried to ruin them too.
Sis, regarding their money, what they got of it, I’ve heard them say they sent their money home. Their parents took care of what little they were getting. That whole Crebeau thing was such a red herring. I’m surprised they got as much mileage out of it as they did. For me the astounding thing was, they only got paid twice a year. Ok, I’ve been one of those folks who thought getting paid once a month was a stretch, but only twice a year? This is how I believe they kept such tight control. If you are dependent because you don’t have funds right away, well……….
Btw, some are overly concerned about JYJ’s voice being damaged by smoking. May Western musicians smoke weeds and cigarettes and they can still produce good songs e.g Amy Winehouse
So let’s try not to be so overly sensitive regarding JYJ smoking or drinking. They are entitled to have a life…and if that’s what they want, let them be.
Umm, maybe the person you mentioned would not be a good example. Yes, Amy Winehouse is beyond good, she’s a brilliant singer but where she at now? She now belongs to Club 27…
JJ and Chun know very well they effect of drinking and smoking and fans are just voicing their concern about their well being but ultimately, it’s JJ and Chun’s choice if they quit or not.
Ang punong hitik sa bunga, binabato
asteeeg… ❤
kung anong tinanim.. syang aanihin..
magtanim ng kabutihan.. kabutihan aanihin..
magtanim ng masama.. di na kelangan ng damo dahil ikakamatay ng kabayo??
kekekkeke
here’s for the haters…
Kung sino ang unang pumutak, siyang nangitlog.
Whoever cackles first is the one who laid the egg. (Guilty!)
and to JYJ fans/family
“Magsama-sama at malakas, magwatak-watak at babagsak.”
United we are strong, divided we fall.
and to JYJ
“Sa taong walang takot, walang mataas na bakod.”
To a fearless person, no fence is high enough.
“Ang bayaning nasusugatan, nagiibayo ang tapang.”
A patriot who is wounded becomes more courageous.
Final sayings for today…
“Walang naninira sa bakal kundi sariling kalawang.”
Nothing destroys iron but its own corrosion.
All are way cool. 🙂
If people try to pull you down, it just shows that you are above them, you’re on the higher level ….mamatay na lang sa inggit ‘yong mga walang magagawa sa buhay kundi sisiraan ang JYJ ! (SM and friends, chillax lang, huwag masyadong mag struggle )
14,812,313 hits … WOW … so JYJers READY for 15 millions and more … i love this site …. i love JYJ … I love you all …fighting
I love this song !
I love Adele ♥
Lol, she started singing and I thought, “Crap! There’s no English subs!” ^///^ I’ve been in kpop/kdrama land too long!
But, yeah…Adele. Rolling in the Deep’s my fave. ^_^
love this song 2….at jyj3 i heard about adele and i like all her song….tq for jyj3 sister who recommend this great singer…its been a long time since i want 2 buy cd for other singer except JYJ of course……i think the last time i buy other singer cd is for celine dion greatest hit n armageddon soundtrack…..
I love her too. My favourite is melt my heart to stone
With its “strangely” proportional correlation, I find the intensity of Detractors a particularly accurate barometer for gauging JYJ’s real professional success on the international stage. And the louder their noise gets, the more convinced I am that JYJ and we as their fans are on the right path.
AMEN
Positive forces always attracts negative forces ….I think it’s just normal but in JYJ’s case, the negative forces are too strong and influential, but appear to be too stressed by just 3 young men!
True. And personally, I find it most gratifying that WE are the positive balance to all that negativity.
@livingfree
“With its “strangely” proportional correlation, I find the intensity of Detractors a particularly accurate barometer for gauging JYJ’s real professional success on the international stage.”
Gads, what a horrible thought. I wish someone could explain to me just what about JYJ is so threatening to so many of these people. Are they ex-fans? Are they on the SM payroll? Who are they and don’t they have anything better to do?? Trolling around writing lies about a pop group–what kind of life is that?
My VE Sister…
“Trolling around writing lies about a pop group–what kind of life is that?”
It’s called — no life. The atmosphere is really quite filled with smog. You should know what smog look and smells like. 🙂 Me thinks our sister sally_b is on to something. SM has gotten wind the the case is about to come to and end, and they will be paying out the wahzoo! The comment attorney Shin I believe his name is said, “I’m confused as to why they would make this suggestion.” (paraphrasing) Well, Sejong being confused to me, suggests they too know what’s coming down the pike and for their side, it’s all good. No need to change anything. I’m going to be the eternal optimist here…I’m ordering my bottle of champagne tomorrow!
Remember when I mentioned to you a while back, distractions coming out of no where, are meant to camouflage something that will have a big impact? The major problem here is the fact the side SME is so married to the concept of creating havoc, they literally cannot help themselves, and stop. Like a junkie they have to get their fix, otherwise they are going to bounce off the walls.
AGREED with u my friend @BAF. we will wait for the main actress to start the drama. conciliation may have the pro and con. the trail may have to be extended to higher level and longer time for the final verdict. SME have moved their little pony on rumors…not knowing us the JYJ fan …recognised ..SME tactics…SME have this signature…”how to create stir to JYJ fan”. i prefer to order two jug of beer…but planning to have Long Island Tea – cocktail. @__@. …sssss i hide my southern comfort limited ed.
@BAFfie
“Remember when I mentioned to you a while back, distractions coming out of no where, are meant to camouflage something that will have a big impact?”
Yep, I think you called it just about EXACTLY RIGHT.
🙂
@audi
“i prefer to order two jug of beer…but planning to have Long Island Tea – cocktail. @__@. …sssss i hide my southern comfort limited ed.”
Oh my dear, you are brave. Long Island Iced Tea? Whoa! I’m impressed. I’m not a big drinker, so a couple of mixed drinks preferably with gin. I can’t abide brown liquor. Had a bad reaction when I was only 2 years old. 😉 And my wine has to tend to the sweet side. So, my Moet/Chandon order is for their Imperial Nectar. Sweet, fruity, and nutty ~~ just like me. 😉
“And the louder their noise gets, the more convinced I am that JYJ and we as their fans are on the right path.”
Yes, the saddest thing would be to go unremarked and unnoticed.
http://kavenyou.com/highlights/jyj-receives-resounding-cheers-from-thousands-of-fans-in-spain/
Pettie (@DefertoNeminem5)
[FANACC] This is my friend’s fanacc, she was in Berlin rite now and she got JJ’s signature xD
She was waiting in front of the hotel. While she was on the phone, suddenly she realized JJ came out with 2 staffs.
2 other fans approached him and asked for signature. After that, she went to JJ and asked him too. She wanted to give him In heaven’s photobook to sign, but since she was too nervous and trembling, she gave him In heaven album CD LOL
So he signed, then stopped a bit to talk to the staffs, then finished his signature. During that, she stared at him non-stop LOL
They said thank you to him, JJ said “Kamsahamnida” too.
Where am I goingto be that lucky?
sigh~
LOL XD I mean *when
I always dream of meeting him >///<!
¡Someday in the near future I’m going to ask them for their autographs as well! That means when I’m about to attend their concert, I have to take my “In Heaven” CDs with me evrywhere, lol…..
It’s called being in the right place, at the right time. Sweet.
Found this :
http://twitpic.com/7akje3
>////<
*///* Might a well call the coroner now…there’s no way I can survive this!
Ohhh My GOD!!!!!
You should put a warning before you post that up!!!!
I almost had a heart attack!!!
I drooled all over my workbench and computer!! Dammit!! Where did I put my towel??!!!
*drool* OMG!!! O_O I love it! XD
Hello my fellow JYJers!!!
I was browsing around YouTube and our cute adorkable Junsu vid came up.
I couldn’t stop giggling just watching our little duckbutt!!!
Here is the vid. Please enjoy our buns of steel Junsu’s charisma!!! kekekekekekeke
I love Junsu’s language skills. He knows so much, but understands so little!!
LOL!!!! Love your statement!
Ahhhhh ooops!!
And how can I forget to also mention that our resident genius JJ is in this vid too!!!
See? See? JJ is smart too!!! He has a pretty good IQ too!! *rolls eyes* sarcasm people sarcasm…..
Sheesh what’s with people saying our boys are not smart? PFFFFTTTT
It is like my sister and me…..we are totally opposite but we compliment each other.
I am academically smart but totally retarded in street smarts.. my sister is totally street smart but a ditz academically. So we balance each other out.
JYJ is the same they are all smart in their own way.
Jaejoong’s head tilt at the very end says it all, lol.
Yeah! Ah, lovely JJ!
So cute! >_<
@kementari8
Well, I don’t know about you, but I was always considered pretty smart and yet, wonder of wonders, becoming a millionaire at 25 somehow eluded me! Go figure! Oh, yes. The boys are Smart with a capital ‘S’. They dutifully learned and perfected their craft for nine long years and decided to make their move when they saw that phase of their lives reaching its breaking point. They did the smart thing, in other words. The Smart Thing isn’t always the easy thing. That’s what Homin did. The easy thing. So now we see the results.
Oh, yes. I’d have to say the members of JYJ are Smart.
no matter how many times i see this, I ROTFLMSO! every freaking time!!!
I have always wondered why JYJ have a lot of antis in Japan than in Korea or any other countries.
Any idea why?
maybe because DB5K was really2 famous and success …. and they never imagine that DB5K will ‘divorce’ like this now … they can’t accept that.. and we all know now who is better .. who is getting more success with own song,,
Honestly, theres what I think
1. JYJ is fighting against SME. SM artists defend SME and disses JYJ [Suju/HoMin] , So theres a lot of SME supporters who are against JYJ cause of that reason.
2. DBSK had a enormous amount of fans. Some fans went with JYJ, some with HoMin. Hardcore HoMin fans now becomes JYJ anti’s.
3. JYJ doesn’t have a stand out amount of haters lol. If you want to talk alot of anti’s, SNSD, SuJu have wayy more lol.
No, I was talking about JYJ issue only. As the 625 thing resurfaces again, Kfans dismiss it immediately from the beginning as it’s not a matter to concern, while in Japan it is used again and again as if it’s a bible to hate on JYJ. So, I wonder if it’s a of cultural perception or lost in translation or else…
Hey guys, can you please vote and share this poll. This is for Peru’s Sexiest Man of 2011. Last year, JJ was first but he was pipped by Changmin and Hyde.. The results so far has JJ and YC, lets keep that way. 🙂
http://www.revistaprivilege.net/2011/10/14/ranking-de-los-hombres-mas-sexys-del-mundo-revista-privilege-2011/
I voted ^^
Thank you 😀
thebankofjyj wrote:
2. Ah the high IQs HM stans are so proud of…… (though I believe it’s all a ploy to make them sound educated) what have they done or are doing with this supposedly “high IQ”? Let me reiterate what JYJ have done and are doing. Currently JYJ have their own businesses and at that gaining experience. I believe they will be the business moguls out of the 5. They’ve already started and they are not even 30 years old yet! Jaejoong has one of the best, if not the best articles when he is interviewed? He almost sounds like a philosopher. Also JYJ can play pianos (ALL 3), isn’t that in itself an attribute to high IQs? Thank heavens JYJ do not brag about their IQs because then us JYJ fans will be superficial if they did.
I never heard Yunho and Max brag about their IQs it was always Jaejoong that praised Yunho for his scores in school. They both are in college ( I believe Yunho graduated already not sure ) so I think they are educated. I think all 5 of them are smart if they weren’t they wouldn’t be successful. No one knows what Yunho and Max are doing because they are private and maybe thats why you don’t know what Yunho and Max are investing in.
@Daisy
“I never heard Yunho and Max brag about their IQs it was always Jaejoong that praised Yunho for his scores in school. They both are in college ( I believe Yunho graduated already not sure ) so I think they are educated.”
Well… interesting. So you believe that Yunho and Changmin have been attending college while they were under contract to SM? Because, before SM… not college grads. During SM tenure… a little busy.
I DON’T understand why Homin people feel a need to fabricate a resume’ for these two. They are OBVIOUSLY not college grads. Saying “they are private” really only says “They have nothing to say on the subject because it’s a falsehood that they are educated.” They’ve been BUSY being SM Idols all of this time!
As to what they are or or not “investing in” if there is money at their disposal which they are free to invest at their discretion, no one has yet heard about it. This flies in the face of EVERYTHING we know about K-Pop idols and their well-known desire to promote the businesses they own. Again, OBVIOUSLY this is how those businesses would become successful enterprises–they would be attached and enhanced by the cache’ of the star who owns them.
We KNOW what the members of JYJ own–they have told us. We know NOTHING about the assets of Homin. How did they become so notoriously private all of a sudden, I wonder? Have they morphed into Howard Hughes-like men of few words who demure speaking of their net-worth??
All of my intuition bells are going off. I think not.
lilibaiyu Wrote:
on November 4, 2011 at 10:30 pm said:
@Daisy
“I never heard Yunho and Max brag about their IQs it was always Jaejoong that praised Yunho for his scores in school. They both are in college ( I believe Yunho graduated already not sure ) so I think they are educated.”
Well… interesting. So you believe that Yunho and Changmin have been attending college while they were under contract to SM? Because, before SM… not college grads. During SM tenure… a little busy.
I DON’T understand why Homin people feel a need to fabricate a resume’ for these two. They are OBVIOUSLY not college grads. Saying “they are private” really only says “They have nothing to say on the subject because it’s a falsehood that they are educated.” They’ve been BUSY being SM Idols all of this time!
As to what they are or or not “investing in” if there is money at their disposal which they are free to invest at their discretion, no one has yet heard about it. This flies in the face of EVERYTHING we know about K-Pop idols and their well-known desire to promote the businesses they own. Again, OBVIOUSLY this is how those businesses would become successful enterprises–they would be attached and enhanced by the cache’ of the star who owns them.
We KNOW what the members of JYJ own–they have told us. We know NOTHING about the assets of Homin. How did they become so notoriously private all of a sudden, I wonder? Have they morphed into Howard Hughes-like men of few words who demure speaking of their net-worth??
All of my intuition bells are going off. I think not
Why would I need to fabricate Yunho and Max resume? Why would I lie about them attending college? A lot of Asian stars are attending college with an schedule. How do you know Yunho is not a college grad or going to be? Lots of people attend college, I attend an university. Whats with the “OBVIOUSLY not college grads” you don’t know them personally, so how can you know Yunho didn’t graduate or is about to? Why is that hard to believe ? Why should you know the assets of Yunho and Max its not your business its theirs?
They don’t have to discuss it with you. I’m pretty sure they probably have a stock portfolio and a financial adviser that helps them maximize their assets. “They’ve been BUSY being SM Idols all of this time!” And what have you been doing all this time, but taking time out of your day, to talk about people you don’t know. I’m not sure what you want to know about their assets, do you need to know what cars they drive? What homes they bought, how much jewelry they own, will that satisfy you? Have Yunho and Max ever stated their net worth? I don’t think they have, so why would they now? And I am happy JYJ own a lot of stuff, they deserve it but what does that have to with Yunho and Max. And there is no need to fabricate a resume for Yunho and Max they have a pretty good one and so does the rest of TVXQ/JYJ.
@Daisy
“Why would I need to fabricate Yunho and Max resume? Why would I lie about them attending college? A lot of Asian stars are attending college with an schedule. How do you know Yunho is not a college grad or going to be? Lots of people attend college, I attend an university. ”
Oh, goodness no, I’m quite sure you wouldn’t lie. If you don’t mind my saying so, you seem to have taken more than a little personal offense to my post. None, I can assure you was intended. Forgive me for saying so, but your response had “Homin Person” written all over it. These are exactly the kinds of dialogs I get into whenever I say anything less than gushingly positive about them to the avid followers of YH&CM. It makes me wonder how you managed to find your way here to JYJ3, a site meant exclusively for JYJ followers, except of course you mention your love for JYJ in your post and so I’m going to absolutely take you at your word.
Re: “a lot of Asian stars attending college” well, I’m stumped. I haven’t heard a thing about that. Your own personal experience really doesn’t apply here, does it? I mean, unless you have the kind of full-time career schedule that we all now know SM demands of its acts. I’m going to assume that you’re up to speed on that. It’s grueling, exhausting and never-ending, and not necessarily in that order. No, I’m rather sure that there are no college students currently signed to SM. Please feel free to provide documentation that I am wrong.
You said: “And what have you been doing all this time, but taking time out of your day, to talk about people you don’t know. I’m not sure what you want to know about their assets, do you need to know what cars they drive? What homes they bought, how much jewelry they own, will that satisfy you? ”
Well once again, I can’t help but feel personally accosted by your hostile response. The only time this happens, btw, is on non JYJ3 sites such as All-K Pop where Homin stans gather. You’re doing a really really good impression of being one of them. But I will answer your accusations thusly: I identified a while ago that “We don’t really know anything” is the last resort of Homin people who have run out of actual fact and compelling argument for their case. ” Here’s the thing: I, as a thinking person, well versed in the music business and human nature in general, I who have been here for the last year and some, doing the research and keeping my ears open DO know something. I do not post rash or ill-advised comments unthinkingly. I stand by ALL my earlier statements. More than anything else, Homin’s silence on all these issues send up red flags to me and as I said are most assuredly atypical of their Pop Idol bretheren. When an idol has a business interest, we find out about it. Your insistance that they have a “portfolio” somewhere makes me sad. THEY SHOULD. But I just don’t think they do.
I know, without a shadow of a doubt, that everything they have actually belongs to SME. And so I would say to you, Daisy–Prove me wrong.
lilibaiyu wrote:
on November 5, 2011 at 10:02 pm said:
Oh, goodness no, I’m quite sure you wouldn’t lie. If you don’t mind my saying so, you seem to have taken more than a little personal offense to my post. None, I can assure you was intended. Forgive me for saying so, but your response had “Homin Person” written all over it. These are exactly the kinds of dialogs I get into whenever I say anything less than gushingly positive about them to the avid followers of YH&CM. It makes me wonder how you managed to find your way here to JYJ3, a site meant exclusively for JYJ followers, except of course you mention your love for JYJ in your post and so I’m going to absolutely take you at your word.
Re: “a lot of Asian stars attending college” well, I’m stumped. I haven’t heard a thing about that. Your own personal experience really doesn’t apply here, does it? I mean, unless you have the kind of full-time career schedule that we all now know SM demands of its acts. I’m going to assume that you’re up to speed on that. It’s grueling, exhausting and never-ending, and not necessarily in that order. No, I’m rather sure that there are no college students currently signed to SM. Please feel free to provide documentation that I am wrong.
You said: “And what have you been doing all this time, but taking time out of your day, to talk about people you don’t know. I’m not sure what you want to know about their assets, do you need to know what cars they drive? What homes they bought, how much jewelry they own, will that satisfy you? ”
Well once again, I can’t help but feel personally accosted by your hostile response. The only time this happens, btw, is on non JYJ3 sites such as All-K Pop where Homin stans gather. You’re doing a really really good impression of being one of them. But I will answer your accusations thusly: I identified a while ago that “We don’t really know anything” is the last resort of Homin people who have run out of actual fact and compelling argument for their case. ” Here’s the thing: I, as a thinking person, well versed in the music business and human nature in general, I who have been here for the last year and some, doing the research and keeping my ears open DO know something. I do not post rash or ill-advised comments unthinkingly. I stand by ALL my earlier statements. More than anything else, Homin’s silence on all these issues send up red flags to me and as I said are most assuredly atypical of their Pop Idol bretheren. When an idol has a business interest, we find out about it. Your insistance that they have a “portfolio” somewhere makes me sad. THEY SHOULD. But I just don’t think they do.
I know, without a shadow of a doubt, that everything they have actually belongs to SME. And so I would say to you, Daisy–Prove me wrong
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What is a “Homin Person” anyway? And there are K-pop idols who have a schedule and attend college Changmin, Yunho, Bi-Rain before he left for the military, some of the members of SNSD, and some of the Shinee members. Most of the members including Yoochun and Junsu attended college too,I believe. I think Jaejoong, Changmin, and Junsu were all taking classes in english. You say you are in tuned to human nature, so because of this you understand the mindset of Yunho and Max and can also tell if they have a financial adviser? Two superstars with money and don’t have a financial adviser, Do they put their money in a bank? I don’t know about you but I have a bank and I’m advised on what I should do with my money. So they can’t have a portfolio either or have attended college because you don’t believe it. What does research or keeping your ears open? Have to do with Yunho and Max, how would that give any information about what is exactly in Yunho and Max bank account or if they had a portfolio.
Maybe they don’t say that they have bought stuff because they don’t want to or because there really is no reason too. I think fans wanting to know about what they own or don’t is an invasion of privacy, K-pop fans take it to far, hacking Jaejoongs twitter and stalking JYJ at hotels, I even saw a fancam with Yoochun in his room sitting on his bed that a fan took, if thats not an invasion of privacy I don’t know what is. Hopefully, we don’t see fans hacking into stars bank accounts, medical and other private information just to get information about stars to use against them. And I like JYJ and the past and current TVXQ, and I like both because I’m American and I don’t have to follow the rules of K-pop fandom, I can listen to whoever I like because thats what Americans do we listen to everything without having to be aligned with just one artist. And I wasn’t offended by your comments