The ranking was based on scores given by musicians/ trainers judged on five categories:
1) voice,tone colour/timbre
2) ability to reach the high vocal pitch
3) vocal skills & techniques
4) vocal range
5) expressive power
JYJ’s ranking and their scores (out of the Top 17 ) are as follows:
| Categories | #1 Junsu | #2 Jaejoong | #11 Yoochun |
| Voice,tone colour/timbre |
8.5 |
7.5 |
6.5 |
| Ability to reach the high vocal pitch |
4.0 |
4.5 |
3.5 |
| Vocal skills & techniques |
4.5 |
4.0 |
3.5 |
| Vocal range |
4.0 |
5.0 |
3.0 |
| Expressive power |
8.5 |
7.5 |
6.0 |
| Total |
29.5 |
28.5 |
22.5 |
1. Junsu – 29.5
2. Jaejoong – 28.5
11. Yoochun – 22.5
Source: Nate
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now THIS was the real evaluation and the real ranking. I wonder who are in the other ranks. Anyone know?
here’s the full list!
http://www.tweetdeck.com/twitter/AlmightyPloyje/~a1rw7
Looks like jj also tied with Paran’s Ace, and chunnie tied with CNBLUE Jonghyun and 2PM Junsu
I agree with a whole bunch of them and they way they scored each elements.
Maybe I’m a bit biased but I find Jaejoong should have higher score in expressiveness. I don’t know if the judge has seen his recent singing or his Japanese songs, because he moved me so much more than years before.
MTE! what is voice,tone colour/timbre based out of? how unique the voice is?
yes jaejoong improved so much more in his expressiveness, he never moved much in his debut days but now he has so much umph!
but i’m glad he scored well, and i think the highest on the whole list, of vocal range! He sure has a wide range, and so adaptable!
@double JaeDee “…Maybe I’m a bit biased but I find Jaejoong should have higher score in expressiveness….”
I was thinking the same thing. 😀 Nevertheless, I am pleased beyond the measure of all known expressions to see that he is second to Junsu (just by a pinch). ^///^ JJ especially needs to know how beautiful his voice is! Anyway, it’s an honor all 3 were recognized.
And also, unlike that last poll we’ve seen, ahem, this one seems to be far better, accurate judge of skill & aptitude for the singers rather than just simply ranking the artists alone based on the opinions of a select few of alleged vocal coaches. I can’t remember for the life of me what that darn poll was, but for me, the results were somewhat questionable…
@ doubleJaeDee ‘Jaelollipop~’,
“Maybe I’m a bit biased but I find Jaejoong should have higher score in expressiveness. I don’t know if the judge has seen his recent singing or his Japanese songs, because he moved me so much more than years before.”
I Think so, it should be higher score in expressiveness and high vocal picth, I don’t understand about the term also, but, when I listen to JYJ or JJ’s solo, I like he’s voice more, esp ost PtB I’ll protect you, I shed tears just coz hear for a song,it’s very rare for me even for sad movies. It’s moved and impressived me when he sing it and hit the high note, just Amazing!.I think he’s voice is really unique and amazing.
Maybe I’m a bit biased but I find Jaejoong should have higher score in expressiveness, agree and he has such a beautiful voice that the other haven’t
Same.. I feel Jaejoong should have a higher score in expressive power.. he makes you feel the emotions of the song like no other..
i agree with that and also, junsu with his musical training/practice, i would have put his vocal skills a bit higher. but that is what being biased does to you sometimes! i think the scores are good and reflect them though. i am definitely not a pro at it.
Maybe we are all biased… or maybe we actually have good taste lol but yes, I agree Jaejoong should be a bit higher and at least be second for sure instead of being tied.
Because even tho jj is my bias, I think js deserves 1st… but that guy from paran has nothing on our jj, I’m sure. Like..? I have no idea who he even is.
ALSO I think chunnie should be higher. I mean I know he has his moments where he sounds a bit raspy but I think it’s cuz of smoking (which might be jj’s problem too T.T) but like god, I’ve been a fan for about 6 years and well yoochun has an AMAZING voice that doesn’t get much credit. I mean he really can hit a range of notes and make it sound smooth and easy.
JYJ should be top 3 IMO lol biased much? idk…
I AGREE WITH YOU. TOTALLY,, HIS VOICE IS MORE POWERFUL THAN JUNSU, EVEN SINCE THEIR TVXQ DAYS.
Shinee Key and Yunho are same ranking……
Also 2AM’s Jinwoon, your point is..?
I love CNBlue Jonghyun’s voice, in fact, I prefer his over Yonghwa’s, but that’s a matter of taste anyway. I’m happy Yoochun’s pretty high up.
Also, Korea’s love affair with Taeyang’s voice. Forever above Daesung (and everyone else), LOL. I’m happy that Seungri’s on the list too.
Overall, a pretty good ranking. Junsu and Jaejoong always on top, yeah!
See, I disagree with that part of it. Daesung should be above Taeyang and I don’t understand why its the other way around. Im no fan, but Daesung has the better voice. Its not even opinion at this point, he out sings Taeyang in pretty much every way.
Agree with u guys. I don;t think Teayang deserves that place. I’m surprised that he’s at that chart.
totally agree with you guys about taeyang’s ranking… i was like “eh?” lol… i mean i like his songs and all, but yeah.. haha..
anyhoooo~~ happy the 3 are on the list.. su and jae for top 2! yeah! ❤
@tonidiaz
“totally agree with you guys about taeyang’s ranking… i was like “eh?” lol… i mean i like his songs and all, but yeah.. haha.. anyhoooo~~”
In my opinion, Taeyang is another one of ~those singers~ who sound fine recorded in the studio, really good even. But get him out there live–whole different story. He sounds shaky, pitch-y and generally kind of mediocre and that’s pushing it. Daesung seems to have better pitch sense but he’s far from the lead singer in that group. The three upfront are Taeyang, GD and T.O.P., two of which are not, strictly speaking, singers at all. So that’s a problem, although not a very big one because they are huge in SK and as I said they make highly enjoyable CDs and beyond that, their fans just really don’t seem to notice.
yayayaiii … I know from the start .. from the beginning that I choose the right artist to be admired so much … JYJ .. and I’m really2 PROUD being JYJ FANS …. their talent, their voice, their charisma, their handsomeness,sexiness, cuteness are really2 undeniable
yeah~ i never regret it.
never ever .. with everythings that already happen .. make me love them more and more
hugz you sist…..I’m with you from the start,,,now,,,and forever….
hug u back dear …
wow…..Junshu, Jaejoong, Yoochun…so cool,,,voice of heaven
JYJ Dae to the Bak
FINALLY all our boys are listed!! :DD and happy for jj and chunnie to be recognized at least. Always proud of Su!
a list that actually makes sense !
I laugh so hard coz of your comment…but you’re right dear….finally a realistic list
and i love they show the tally of points.. proud of JYJ ^__^ all of them doing well in the list..
😀 😀 😀 😉
But the calculation is not correct.
The total for Junsu is 29… not 29.5…
I agree there should be a slight modification. But ah well. We all know Junsu is the premier vocalist. At any rate, I can’t express how happy I am to see Jaejoong at #2 & Yoochun here as well!
Ooooh I didn’t even noticed that hahaha. Thanks for pointing that out.
Actually based on what the admins posted above, his total is 29.5 because for Skills he got a 4.5. But if you look at the full list on tweetdeck, under Skills it shows 4. So which is correct?
@Mia & JYJ3 team, really thankful for posted this in your site after received my email. The credit for translation should go to JYJ3. 🙂
@OnlyJYJ JYJ3 taken the details from the original source here. Junsu vocal skills was ranked as 4.5 with a total top scores of 29.5. Hope this helps. 🙂
http://m.pann.nate.com/talk/313416567
Ah thanks 🙂
I meant *credit for translation should goes to Mia & her team in JYJ3 site* typo in my earlier sentence.
Congratulations, especially to Jaejoong. Finally, after a long while someone is recognizing Jaejoong’s great voice.
Yuchun is a baritone, so high notes aren’t his strong point . There were actually 31 people on the list and several people tied for most places. There were 18 people ahead of Yuchun and 12 after him. Many singers were not on the top 30 at all, so it is a very good ranking for Yuchun. I actually think Yuchun needs his own set of criteria. He does so many type of voices beyond just singing.
@Lisa “I actually think Yuchun needs his own set of criteria. He does so many type of voices beyond just singing.”
Interesting point. Well, Yoochun has always been the unconventional one….
i always feel like YC belong in different genere of music from DBSK. u know using his strong points
“Yoochun has always been the unconventional one….”
So agree with you on the above :).
Actually I’m very proud that Yoochun is just 0.5 less than Changmin, because most of the time in OT5 sites, they really look down YC’s voice, that CH is the one who can match well with Jae Su. For me, good singing is not all about hitting high notes and YC has that special quality that gives a special flavor to TVXQ5 and JYJ songs.
“For me, good singing is not all about hitting high notes and YC has that special quality that gives a special flavor”
I’m with you, he has different color of voice. And I’m in love with that voice ❤
Good singing is not all about hitting high notes A+
micky also can hit high notes …you can hear his high notes in… bolero ….dont say goodbye ….w….love in the ice ….unforgettable …
and his voice is great in songs like ….kiss the baby sky ….survivor….force…all in vain …taxi…holding back the tears ….one …kiss shita mama sayonara
@kris
“For me, good singing is not all about hitting high notes and YC has that special quality that gives a special flavor to TVXQ5 and JYJ songs.”
Couldn’t agree more. Imagine in a group, if all were to concentrate on hitting high notes, who’s going to do the rest?!
@anna
Omgosh, I love all these songs that you mentioned especially “Bolero” and “All In Vain”. Kyaaah, I’m so going to listen to these songs now!! 🙂
@kris
“For me, good singing is not all about hitting high notes and YC has that special quality that gives a special flavor to TVXQ5 and JYJ songs.”
Exactly! Every time I listen to “I Love You”, and that is a lot, I just get this special feeling. The sound is so soft, but sexy as hell! He doesn’t have to raise his voice to get the message of the song across. It is one of my favorites! And his rap on “Song Without A Name”. It doesn’t have to be a yell in your face to say what needs to be said. Again, it’s said softly, but with strength and conviction! That to me, is why the song is so powerful, the words are just straight forward, no confusion on what is meant!. To me it doesn’t get any better than this.
@BAFfie
“Exactly! Every time I listen to “I Love You”, and that is a lot, I just get this special feeling. The sound is so soft, but sexy as hell! He doesn’t have to raise his voice to get the message of the song across. It is one of my favorites! And his rap on “Song Without A Name”.”
Well, I have to agree with my V.E. Sister here. Chunnie is a song stylist of no little power and soulfulness, no question. There’s nobody like him, you know his voice instantly. I also have to agree that he just coincidentally happens to have sung or wrote/sung some of my favorite songs ever. “Waiting For So Long” for one, “My Girlfriend” and “Kiss The Baby Sky” for two more. Imagining JYJ without Chunnie would be like imagining the Rolling Stones without Keith Richards.
“Imagining JYJ without Chunnie would be like imagining the Rolling Stones without Keith Richards.”
I have to laugh. Not being a RS fan, I have no idea how the comparison works! 🙂 😉
@BAFfie
“I have to laugh. Not being a RS fan, I have no idea how the comparison works! ”
Really?? No Rolling Stones?? OK, fair enough. Keith came up with all the “signature riffs” on guitar that totally made each and every one of the many, MANY hits that the British rock band The Rolling Stones have had over the last 40 years. Without his guitar riffs, not to mention his fabled songwriting skills, there would BE no Rolling Stones. He’s just about as essential to the group as it’s possible to be.
Dear VE Sister,
The RS would have to be the last band on earth and I still wouldn’t bother to listen. As I’m known to say, “I’ve never been that bored.” They just don’t do a thing for me. Mick Jagger couldn’t carry a tune if his life depended on it! I just don’t get the attraction. But then again, my tastes would probably not suit a lot of people, so we’re even. 🙂
@BAFfie
“he RS would have to be the last band on earth and I still wouldn’t bother to listen. As I’m known to say, “I’ve never been that bored.” They just don’t do a thing for me. Mick Jagger couldn’t carry a tune if his life depended on it! ”
I have not been a fan of theirs particularly either, although I certainly know lots about them because we’re sort of “same era.” They are a renowned rock band –one of the greatest that there ever was.
Actually Mick’s pitch is fine, in both recorded and live work. It’s probably his very idiocyncratic vocal quality that you’re not a fan of. I’m on the fence about it. He’s not a “good” singer by any stretch of the imagination. He has mastered the craft of making himself into a distinctive lead vocalist however, no small feat in his case. Many rock singers have done this. (NOT many R&B singers have done it. lol They can actually sing in the first place.) A borderline not-so-hot vocalist with a white hot passion to sing can literally will himself into a career in music by finding a certain style of singing and a certain way of singing that he can pull off convincingly. Mick Jagger is a prime example. Peter Wolf of the J. Geils Band is another one, as is Patty Smith, Tom Petty and of course the grand-daddy of them all, Bob Dylan..
🙂
@Lili
You have no idea how hard I’m laughing right now! “Mick’s pitch is fine, in both recorded and live work. It’s probably his very idiocyncratic vocal quality that you’re not a fan of. I’m on the fence about it. He’s not a “good” singer by any stretch of the imagination.”
ROFL!! I don’t give a rodent’s patootie about Mick’s pitch. The dude can’t freaking sing! I know I’m mouthing blasphemy, but I don’t care! Jagger couldn’t carry a tune in a bucket if his life depended on it. Yes, I know he has made a career for himself as a lead singer. He’s really a smart man. London School of Economics – still can’t sing. And I know the RS stature. Still don’t care. My taste runs along the lines of Rod Stewart, Bee Gees, Genesis…you know, people who can actully carry a tune. But hey, we all have to like something. 😉
@BAFfie
“ROFL!! I don’t give a rodent’s patootie about Mick’s pitch. The dude can’t freaking sing!”
LOL No, I really and truly know what you’re saying. Honest, I do. But I beg to differ, he is a SEMINAL rock singer, maybe the most influential of the 60’s and 70’s.. If nothing else he showed young boys everywhere (in the privacy of their bedrooms, before full-length mirrors) that if you want it bad enough YOU TOO can be a rock star. I wouldn’t want to even count how many of said boys have gone on to fame and fortune with less than optimum quality vocal instruments.
Here’s what you have to remember: rock is not like R&B. With R&B the criterion for who makes a great singer takes a sharp right turn skyward. Borderline singers don’t even compute. They literally do not exist in the popular culture. Only the best of the best get to have careers.
This I might add also holds for women singers. Mediocre women singers also don’t show up in the Hot Hundred. If you’re a women, you HAVE to be good. Now, men on the other hand (and GO FIGURE this one—duh) have a slightly different standard for themselves. You can be a bloody awful singer (see Leonard Cohen) but if you’re a great songwriter and poet, you’re just fine, no problem, here’s a career. It’s skewed.
Gee, when were we first aware that the world was skewed?
🙂
Sis,
The other names on my list…Lennon & McCartney, Bruce Springsteen, Jon BonJovi, Phil Collins, Peter Gabriel, etc. I’m not disputing Jagger’s ability to sell himself. I simply say the dude can’t sing! But I can listen to these others, because….unlike the Mickster, they can carry a tune. For my money and time, you have to bring a bit more to the table than prancing around on a stage, AND with no sense of rhythm! What others do with their money and time is one thing. What I do with mine is another.
And as for guitar players, like I said I don’t know enough about Keith Richards except having to go get his blood treatments to keep himself clean. But my guitar faves include – Carlos, Prince, Ernie Eisley, etc. Keith is not on the list. Mick still can’t sing.
^_____________________^ I hope the guys get to see this, esp Jae.
at least not the bickering and errrmmmmm~ heehhehe~
Yeah…. I posted this comment before the wank started! *fingers crossed JYJ DON’T see the comments on this post*
PS: Mummy-hen, I love Phil Collins’ voice. Separate Lives is on repeat lately.
Caught your comment on GAP 11/19. 🙂
Finally, the true rangking for Singging ability.
Jaejoong, Yoochun and Junsu congratz.
JYJ Dae to the Bak!
OMO JAEJOONG BEING RECOGNIZED BY KOREA…….& ITS NOT ABOUT HIS LOOKS!!!!!! @___@
all my cryyys ;____; congrats bb! T^T
@jjoejang AMEN SISTA. This is very rare(too rare to be fair for the scope of JJ’s talents & his worth). I swear the angels are singing somewhere… Oh, wait… We already know who they are 😀
@jjoejang ,
“OMO JAEJOONG BEING RECOGNIZED BY KOREA…….& ITS NOT ABOUT HIS LOOKS!!!!!! @___@”
Hi,
Yes, JJ always being underate for his singging ability, coz his face. But if i’m not wrong, before JJ also got the 2nd for poll like this as one of 25 Best Male singer in 2008 or 2009 (DBSK era), and after that, not again, I don’t know why, it’s looks like some ppl forget about him or ‘refuse’ to acknowledge him coz the prejudice first. So glad,now his he got recognized again (?) as one of Korean best Vocalist.
@Amauli In JJ’s case, his physical appearance is a double-edged sword *sigh* -///- And unfortunately, he suffers from his lack of confidence. It’s really quite a shame because he is really is quite something: a talented vocalist & x everything else.
@ Claudelle Le (@ClaudelleLe),
Hi,
Nice to meet you here, thanx for follow me back at twitter ^^
Yes, I agree with you, his physical appearance is unique and become double-edged sword, sometimes ppl like this suffer from insecure, coz he feels different form others, and got bad prejudice. What I admire from him is, it’s make him to always work harder to fulfill his dream, make him humble, respect others,cherish all he have, he do to others what he want others to do to him. All the hardships JJ and JYJ been through until now make him stronger, mature and confident than before.
Now, he become the hot issue in Korea, which he always be abandoned before (thanx to PtB and all the articles about JJ), and more ppl realize the real Kim Jaejoong, not the image create by SM. It’s funny JJ get more recognized outside Korea, but better late than never.
sorry for my poor english =__=
@Amauli Hi! It’s my pleasure. And don’t worry about your English. What’s more important is that I understand the feelings you are trying to convey, of which, I do 🙂
I think it is to be agreed that there is no one remotely like him. He’s worked so hard to gain acceptance & it’s still an on-going battle. Unfortunately, he has struggled since the beginning against the superficial prejudices that others have placed on him. It’s quite ironic that he was better recognized outside of his own country internationally (esp. in places like Japan).
Anyway, I’ve had a long discussion about this particular subject in prior w/ Nikki (feel free to DM me about it)
😦 hi Claudelle Le (@ClaudelleLe)! i didn’t even know that he suffers from lack of confidence or insecurity….how could he? he has everything…looks, talent, wealth..kekeke…charisma and power…..and us…:)))
@Eimar Ebiro Hello~! It is true that Jaejoong has everything going for him, but even the best breed or people are not confident in their abilities or themselves (he’s even admitted to it if I do not recall). Many of us have noticed that people have often placed more emphasis on his ‘image’ rather than his more musical abilities & other various talents (especially in the way he has been marketed in Korea). Of course, that would mean his talents would often come second to his face, and therefore, it’s difficult for him to get constructive feedback/criticism/praise so that he may further hone his abilities. It’s hard to argue that in most of the polls he has been nominated in were purely based on his beauty more so than musical/vocal aptitude. Because his other skills are not often recognized/emphasized, I would think that JJ would not feel so securely about his self-worth. We are also aware that JJ is very mindful about what others think of him- I think there’s been many instances in which he has been misunderstood & rejected by others because of their first impression of him (shallow I know). This may account for this ‘lack of confidence’ that we have been referring to.
@jjoejang ,
“OMO JAEJOONG BEING RECOGNIZED BY KOREA…….& ITS NOT ABOUT HIS LOOKS!!!!!! @___@”
Hi,
Yes, JJ always being underate for his singging ability, coz his face. But if i’m not wrong, before JJ also got the 2nd for poll like this as one of 25 Best Male singer in 2008 or 2009 (DBSK era), and after that, not again, I don’t know why, it’s looks like some ppl forget about him or ‘refuse’ to acknowledge him coz the prejudice first. So glad,now his he got recognized again (?) as one of Korean best Vocalist.
Upss…Sorry for the double post, =_=
yeah. Jae voice is golden, but unfortunately his looks often overshadowing his voice skill.
@gigikusakit Unfortunately, I have to admit this is so true. That’s partly because of the way he was marketed & because people place so much attention on his face rather than within.
not only singing also in acting Jae tone down a lot in PTB for people to look his acting.he has to fight with his look sometime
I always knew that sweet baby Junsu has powerful voice but I love beloved Jaejoong’s sexy tone more. I love hearing Jaejoong more, singing or talking. But regardless, I love all those boys….:)
I thought it was Junsu for “Ability to reach the high vocal pitch” and “Vocal range” categories but it seems that beloved JJ can do it better….:) Not that it is extremely important to me. I love JYJ (read, mostly Jaejoong) no matter what scores they’ve got…:)
Jaejoong has always had a wider range than Junsu actually, that’s why he was the main vocal in DB5K. Junsu tends to be shakier with his lower pitches. Jae had more versatility, while Junsu’s voice is very unique and has a distinct quality. Their song “Tonight” from their first album was one of my favourites that shows off Jae’s range. I wouldn’t say one is better than the other though, it’s just personal preference.
I strongly agree with everyone who likes this sort of ranking. It seems particularly lucid and has rationale that I can easily understand. Though Yoochun is very, very much my bias I see exactly how he is placed where he is and that does nothing to interfere with his masculine charms and warm manly appeal. It’s just straight shooting from some listening on a level that is purely musical critique. Cool. I’m happy Chunnie is on the list and big CONGRATULATIONS to Junsu and JJ
Yoochun’s my bias too! And I agree on “It’s just straight shooting from some listening on a level that is purely musical critique.” I’m really happy he got high points for the ‘voice, tone colour/timbre category’, I think his voice has this certain rich timbre that’s so unique, even if his control is a little shaky.
finally bb include on the list #hugJJ
i love the way junchan oppa singing but i love jj oppa voice more coz whenever i listen to it, i really want to hug him
they(jyj) sing with their heart
finally bb include on the list #hugJJ
i love the way junchan oppa singing but i love jj oppa voice more coz whenever i listen to it, i really want to hug him, he has something in his voice that touch me
they(jyj) sing with their heart
ME TOO.. when i heard jaejoong’s voice, it touch my heart..it is something that cannot be describe by word. But i love junsu and yoochun’s voice too.
yey. JYJ totally deserved it. Always Junsu at No.1. My bias JJ at no. 2. JYJ the greatest group of KPOP
Hmmm…I don’t know about this. I’m happy that Junsu and Jaejoong did so well but…I don’t get why Yuchun scored so low. I know he doesn’t have the range and is not as technically perfect but he should have kicked butt with points in the voice tone/color/timber and expressive category. But then again, baritones are always underrated.
i agree with you. i love yoochun’s voice most when i listen to TVXQ5 songs for the first time. his voice is very special, full of emotions and feeling of the melodies.
MTE. i won’t comment on JaeSu’s since it’s quite agreeable on most parts, it’s just that i feel bad everytime people try to undermine Yoochun’s voice. He’s not even my bias (a happy xiahpwa here^^) and there are times that i cringe everytime he tries to let loose of his voice when singing live but IMO, they should’ve upped Yoochun’s points for the voice color/tone/timbre since his timbre is just seriously, to die for.. and he has quite a wide vocal range too, can definitely sing the high parts (if only he can learn some techniques) and of course, the low parts. that being said, Yoochun should really improve on his techinques (again, IMO ^^) most specifically when he’s singing high parts on a live performance. xD
True! He should learn from Junsu. IMO Junsu has THE BEST technique in singing and is still improving while Yoochun has been regressing. 😦 Yc should take care of his voice. His voice quality is my favorite among DB5K.
@pian
Just for the sake of an example, here’s a singer who has wonderful tone and vocal technique, in my opinion. He sings with great passion and honesty. I think he is one of SK’s masters but of course you never see ~his~ name in any of the polls, ever. He is Yim Jae Bum. The song is “Confession.”
@lilibaiyu
“I think he is one of SK’s masters but of course you never see ~his~ name in any of the polls, ever. He is Yim Jae Bum.”
I agree with you my friend. We’ve had our discussions about him and to this day I cannot understand why he is so undervalued. This is one of my all-time favorite songs.
Everyone said “finally” for JJ lol
I think this is very rare for korean people to recognise JJ singing ability, so proud ^^
and i know junsu will always be no.1 here , anyway congrats and YC too.
Congrats for my JYJ boys…the three of you is a talented singer.
some time, I don’t get this.
I think, this kind of list isn’t important at all.
checking on the list, all the competitors are idols, right? and they are younger than jyj, no?
as we always said before, jyj isn’t just an idol anymore, they are artist, actor, musical actor and senior singer.
*sigh*
sorry for my ranting. ^___^
This may be off topic but
“and they are younger than jyj, no?”
Age has nothing to do with it though. Yesung’s older, and 2AM Changmin’s the same age as them (1986), Youngseng too. MBLAQ’s G.O.’s 1987. It’s experience more than anything I guess.
I love the way u express ur idea and I love ur idea.
Agreeeee!!! but Jaejoong’s voice still my favorite. ^^v *happy*
junsu <3<3<3
aaaah…junchaaaan *borrow chun expression*
lol
great job ^^b
I love youuuuuuuu
they have awesome voice !
Yes!!! Jae gets the recognition he so rightly deserves. Junsu … as expected! Chunnie … right up there as well!
the first voice i fell when i listened DBSK is JJ my rocker love u jae please be more confidence your voice is the best.
Junsu always will be first cos he has beautiful voice plus skill his skill in singing is undeniable.
YC glad u make to top list i will give u more mark in expressive power u have something that make my heart move in every song i was always like who’s voice is that. If u train your voice more and sing using your voice strong points i think u have many more to show.
finally my beloved boojae is on the list…though i like junsu’s voice but it’s jaejoong’s voice that i fell in love with.a list of poll that finally recognized the 3 of them.congrats my gorgeous JYJ.
Agreed!
😀
To see they recognized as JYJ’s Junsu, JYJ’s Jaejoong and JYJ’s Yoochun makes me proud…
Personally I think JYJ’s voices are unique. Not a regular male voice that seems similar each other. My ears adores only Junsu’s, JJ’ and Yoochun’ vocals since they’re DB5K.
Agree!
“Personally I think JYJ’s voices are unique. Not a regular male voice that seems similar each other…”
agreee!!! plus…they sing much better (than me _ _||| *hehehe)
My JYJ babies.!!!! *hugs*
Junsu is the best in term of singing. I’m not saying that both Jaejoong and Yoochun are not good singers, but when it comes to vocalization, breathing technique, and things like that, Junsu has one of the most stable vocal I’ve ever heard in my entire life. he lets us know the story of the song he sings. He makes us weep, cry, smile, laugh, even blush *coughintoxicationcough*
However, when it comes to vocal range, Jae has the widest range even back then. That is why he is DB5K lead singer (I say lead, not main, coz dbsk did not have main singer)
he can reach the highest notes and the some of the lower notes easily, while junsu is kinda struggle with his lower notes.
as for chun, well this man is forever my bias, but maybe because of his asthma, he kinda has difficulties in his control. nothing to major, because he still hits the notes perfectly. However there is still rooms for improvement.
both Junsu and yoochun have unique voice. Husky and very ‘different’ that makes you either love it or feel annoyed by it. While Jaejoong voice is very nice to the ears. He posesses the voice that most people can like and appreciate. But then again, it come back to our own preference. I love their voice color – every single one of them. I also love how they can convey feeling while singing.
there are a lot of people who can sing well. a lot of group have a main singer who can probably someday grow and beat Junsu singing ability (well,I kinda doubt that too)
however, you can only have one group like Jyj who all members posses amazing voice, great singing ability, outstanding look, millions devoted fans that keeps growing everyday, multi-talented, strong stage presence, well basically everything any entertainer wish to have, yet still being those humble, cute, and warm person like they used to be.
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well said 🙂
my fav “a lot of group have a main singer who can probably someday grow and beat Junsu singing ability (well,I kinda doubt that too) ……………………….”
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Beautifully said.
I like this alot. You said what I wanted to say 🙂
How could you say all of this just in one sentence. It makes me wanna cry.
@orangelibraantz
Nicely said and well-reasoned. I give your post a 9.9!! 🙂
The first time I heard Jaejoong sing, after I got over the visual shock that is, that the voice was coming from THAT beautiful boy, well, it was the fact that he reminded me so much of our great and venerated singer here in the U.S. Smokey Robinson. He also had that sort of meltingly beautiful tone and delivery.
Finally, I agree that the sum of the Three is the key. THIS is what has plagued the days and nights of the minions at SM for two long years now. That these three will be unleashed on the global music world. Well, bad news, SM. In fact, worst possible news.
It’s happened.
agree with u….
Everytime I listen to JS, I say to myself: Woow! No wonder he is ranked the best idol singer in Korea!.
But when I listen to JJ, my brain stops all functions and I forget about everything else. I teared up many times by JJ’s voice.
For me, JJ is totally out of (ranking) range.
That’s how I feel about Jae’s voice.
On jae’s voice, I thought it’s only me and my over sensitive-self…I thought it was the scenes accompanying the music..Good to know there are people like me…
kekeke me too!! it’s like i have a brain freeze everytime i hear Jae sings…:)
I have watched the recent JYJ fan cams. YC has really improved a great deal. I don’t think this poll does him justice at all.
JYJ is indeed the dream group.
Now there you are POSITIVELY RIGHT ON. JYJ is thee dream group. That is a perfect score right there.
I agree, YC has improved so much..His achievement can be seen in their THSK’s days…A lot of high notes, he pulled off are remarkable…I guess the judges watched only their work in Korea…
Jojo, I agree with your comments on JS and JJ. I feel the same…
I agree. After having heard YC singing live, I thought that he had always been underestimated. His only problem? Singing between two angelic and exceptional voices: this make his husky voice to seem less outstanding…
In an average group YC would be one of the best!
JYJ Dae to the Bakkk !!!
Yeah for Jae, Chunnie and Su!!!
Just asking, so the total maximum points is 50?
jyj dae to the bakkk!!!!!!!!
you r so wonderful !!!!!!!!
jyjfamily is proud of you!!!
lol ^-^
YAY, this ranking confirms that JYJ is the best group in SK ( this might be one of the reason why they are banned from music shows, they are just too good to be there). No wonder way back then when I met Tohoshinki music, I only focused to JYJ, I loved their harmonization but when it comes to solo parts, their 3 totally different distinct beautiful voices were the only ones registered in me.
Though I think Jae’s voice is still underrated in this ranking esp. in Tone and Expressiveness, I don’t mind at all since Junsu is the one on top, be it another singer, I should go on protest (kekeke). Yoochun Fighting, I think you should be higher but anyway #11 is not that bad. I’m not so familiar with the others, but BB Daesung and Seungri are even lower than him.
I feel so proud that I got to choose the group having the best voices in town, that means I have an excellent taste!
js is awesome of cos..jj has this very unique almost haunting tone to his voice..it evokes his emotions very well..especially sadness/melancholy i think..they both have very clear and sharp overall singing voices..i actually fell in love with yc’s husky voice from mirotic though..heehee~ but now i love all 3..JYJ exists cos of 3 very special and beautiful voices. if yc was #10 we could say that JYJ have 3 of the top 10 best voices! ^^
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Warned!
=.= js fans like you annoy me
@ Phea Tran (@PheaMe),
I think no one compare JS and JJ. I recognize that Junsu is the best for the singging ability, that’s why his the 1st. but it’s all depend on the personal preference. Jaesu compliment each other voice, actually I want to hear Jaesu duet, it will be great.
“i forever lol at jj stans saying his looks are a double egded sword xD”
Actually it’s the reality, if not, why so difficult for him to get recognized for his singing ability? it’s more easy for him be in poll for his face rather than his ability as a singer, why?. I think it’s not just opinion as JJ biased, but also the public opinion said that he only pretty boy, and some ppl underate him coz of his face. Sometimes without realize ppl so easy to prejudice, underestimate, maybe, not know yet, and even already know, still hard to acknowledge, coz of JEALOUS. It’s very rare for someone to have very good looking with very great talent. I think if someone deserve to get compliment, just give it even not the fans, jus coz deserve to be recognized. But now JJ got recognized not only his face but his talent.
Peace ^^
Upss…already delete, and I quote his comment =__=
Finalyyyyyyy my jaejoong oppa T___T !! It feels like since forever that korea recgnized his voice T_T I’m so happy for him 🙂
I know that junsu’s voice is really really awesome and perfect but I’ve always liked jj’s voice more even before jj become my bias , the first I listened to them , jaejoong’s voice was sooooo sweet and I fell in love with him , his voice is just too good for the ears , so relaxing ! Not to mention his wide range ! Amazing
And I’m really happy for yoochun !! Though I hope they could rank him higher ! Man his voice is just too sexy ! ❤
Congratzzzz for forever korea's #1 singer kim junse <3333 and jaejoong and yoochun !
I'm so proud !
@megajaefan,
Hi,
Maybe the last time at 2008 (correct me if i’m wrong), and finally now, happy for him too 😀
yeah i know , but i though it was in 2009 (?) but its still great ^^
@megajaefan,
Aah, yes, I’m forget, I think 2009 also (JJ was the 2nd), thanks.
But after that, not include again in the poll for vocal ability, and now, finally! 😀
I think that as far as raw material goes, Jaejoong’s voice is better than Junsu’s. However, Junsu has taken care of his and has worked on improving it. I get more than a little annoyed at Jaejoong at times because I know he is ruining a very precious instrument with his addiction and one of his favourite pass-times. I don’t think he’s taking his career as a singer as seriously as he should (although he certainly didn’t get any guidance on that front at SME), although there is still time to change that. He still sounds amazing. A singing career does not need to end at 30, Jaejoong!
@Eliza
“He still sounds amazing. A singing career does not need to end at 30, Jaejoong!”
Oh, my gosh, no! Opera singers, arguably the most trained singers, sing into their 60’s. A voice certainly changes over the years, but in my opinion many get better and better. My hope is that perhaps after all the stress of the lawsuit is over and their lives are somewhat back to normal, Jae will be able to think about quitting. He’s talked about learning more music theory and harmonics, I know he’s serious about singing. I think the smoking is largely a stress reliever for him now. I just really hope he’s not one of the ones that the addiction grabs hold of the hardest…
I think Junsu knows that and is training for the long term, but sometimes I wonder if Jaejoong is still in the head-space where it’s all going to end in the foreseeable future. I know he’s working toward a long term music career, but he always talks as if singing itself is only short term. In a population where throat cancer is common and drinking is required socially, add the cigs, and he’s not necessarily wrong. I’m hoping that with Junsu’s example and the fans’ influence, he might be convinced otherwise. (He has the most beautiful voice I’ve ever heard; it makes me so EXTRAORDINARILY sad when I see he’s not doing everything possible to keep it that way.)
@Eliza
“In a population where throat cancer is common and drinking is required socially, add the cigs, and he’s not necessarily wrong. I’m hoping that with Junsu’s example and the fans’ influence, he might be convinced otherwise. (He has the most beautiful voice I’ve ever heard; it makes me so EXTRAORDINARILY sad when I see he’s not doing everything possible to keep it that way.”
I so hear you… Another factor that worries me is the air quality in Asia now that only appears to be getting worse and worse. I’ve read many times that the air quality in Seoul is now very bad. This is tremendously damaging to the voice and lungs, not to mention asthma sufferers and I’m sure it is also a contributing factor to lung cancers, emphysema and of course heart attacks. Then when you add smoking on top of ~that~…. it’s not good. When you deprive the lungs and therefore the body of oxygen, over time all your organs start to malfunction and finally they shut down.
If I had my way cigarettes would be a controlled substance like prescription drugs.
I know a lot of people won’t agree (my mum for one), but given the toxic ingredients in cigarettes, I think they should be banned altogether. The Australian Govt spends millions in anti-smoking advertisements, but they refuse to ban them because they make billions from the sale of cigarettes in taxes. They use the justification of smoking being bad for the health & wanting people to quit just to keep upping the prices & increasing their share of the profit.
my ranking of voice: 1st is YC and JJ together, 2nd is JS
haha yc is so your bias 😉
I somewhat agree ^^ My fave songs are the Soulmate songs in Japan
@pheonixia
“I somewhat agree ^^ My fave songs are the Soulmate songs in Japan”
It’s funny because I agree that Junsu is #1 in the over-all rankings, his voice and how he uses it really takes my breath away sometimes. (as in “Beautiful Thing.”) But I have to say my favorite single track is still “Waiting For So Long” with a close second of “Shelter.” Go figure…
🙂
was there any doubt about them being the best singers!!! i think not!
my JYJ is dae-to-the-bak! ❤
I dont care about the rating..i am proud of them! JYJ..saranghe oppa!! The recognition must be important for JYJ..let support them forever!!
now this is an accurate ranking….MUAHAHAAHAH….
Both Jaejoong and Junsu’s voice are both amazing and they honestly bring out the best on a song. However, for me personally, it is Junsu’s unique voice that clicks with me. I guess for me, the emotions that Junsu puts in, I’m able to feel it to a greater degree. Interesting rankings.
Do we even still need this to prove how musically-gifted our boys are? ❤
yes! so the whole SK could open their eyes how they really wasting the most worthy artist they ever had! LOL
this is dae-to-the-bak…
congrats to Jaejoong and Junsu…! but i think yoochun also has a great voice…
i love JYJ… *proud of JYJ
im happy for jaejoong … i love his vocal the most … congrats for JYJ ..they are great singer …
Congratz to our boys!!Their voice are so amazing!!!
JYJ you’re the best <3!!
I’m proud for JaeSu <33 Anyway I don't agree fully with Yoochun's ranking but JYJ as a whole would not be complete w/o their baritone. So personally I'd ask them if they ever listened to JYJ's Japanese songs because Yoochun's voice sung in Japanese does him justice to at least be in the top 5 😛
Ah, yes, yes…..YC’s Bolero part blew me away…
Definitely. The problem is he doesn’t stick to one kind of voice or skills. He’s always trying to sing with a lighter/higher voice (maybe he does it to blend better with the boys) when he’s a low baritone person. I love his low singing voice much much better. I think he should have learned to improve/control that better rather than changing it like he’s been doing. Besides I thought he should have been ranked much higher on the voice tone/timber category. He has a really reach voice.
“He has a realy Rich voice”
An opinion some a visitor of this site- I don’t get why Phia trans comment got deleted by admin …..
The comment was like any other comment, an expression of opinion on how she/he felt. Its good to keep the site a friendly place but Admins should loosen up with the sensoring a little, or else there is no point in having a comments section.
Sorry from what I was able to collect that poster said this (sorry didn’t see the whole comment made by the poster) “i forever lol at jj stans saying his looks are a double egded sword xD”
That isn’t an opinion. That is a snide remark made by someone about JJ fans.
thanks lol
at least there are still ppl here with reason
the fact that my comment got deleted and even warned sorta proves how jj bias this fansite is haha
and i even wasted my time defending the admins the other day saying that there’s no real reason to complain about the obvious bias but i guess there IS reason lmao
i know for sure i did not break any rules so at least give me a credible reason why i was deleted apart from the fact that admin is a jj stan that is annoyed cos i think their opinion in funny
what stan? =.= so you say you are not a stan? ridiculous
Hi Phea,
This time I will not delete your comment, because I want people to see why you are being banned.
I’ve noticed it already. Just a person trying to create chaos among the fandom. Well, at least this post and these comments are very useful to be awared about who’s a real and trustful JYJ and who is not. 😉
and the way you are speaking is so full of yourself.
I would like to believe someone just doesn’t drop by to insinuate a mini fanwar. Just becase of your snide remarks about JJ fans…. -_- first of all, (since you are so full of yourself) you’d notice in the past that the admins removed comments by certain posters trying to start fandom drama. Be it JJ fans, JS fans, YC fans, HM stans etc. You however want to start drama for no reason.
You know, if you’ve been here regularly, you’d know that you’re not the only one that gets the comment being deleted Even regular commenters encountered such things. I read most of those questions on GAP way back, but nobody ever related those to admins being bias to any member of JYJ.
And the fact that you’d easily jump to that conclusion without asking first shows that you never really appreciate this site for whatever they offer for us fans.
There is for one reason this comment is deleted, because I don’t want a fanwar between JYJ’s fans and In my opinion it’s pretty offensive to JJ’s biased fans.
You’re right dear. I can’t understand why do some girls haven’t understood yet that JYJ is a unit no matter whom I love or like the most. They belong together and JYJ can’t exist without one of their voices. So, at the end, JaeChunSu are one and are the best; the three of them together :D.
I’m with you admin 🙂
@ Jo
I think maybe coz @Phia, seem to bash JJ biased fans, and this can create fanwars, honestly I’m get offended too, so before create fanwars, better delete (unfortunately, I quote the comment =__=), there’s the rule to not bash JYJ’s fans right, means no bash between biased fans, we have to learn to respect others right?
because her comment have negative attitude, esp saying forever lol to jj fans. that just not right you know. we all may have bias in JYJ, but remember they are brothers and we should not said something negative to one of members of JYJ.
We could say ” ah I love Junsu voice, but I love JJ voice more” that’s okay because it’s an opinion. What’s wrong with that? we praise Junsu and JJ. We like both voices. We may love Junsu voice, but that doesn’t mean we don;t like JJ voice and vice versa right?
But her comment was “i forever lol at jj stans saying his looks are a double egded sword xD” that’s not an opinion. that kind of mocking.
I’m glad admin deleted it, it could lead to fanwar which really unnecessary
I try to reply with my limited English…… n it’s my thoughts:
If i read about “JJ’s stans say his looks are a double edged sword” …..i have questions like, seriously do you think that the other people underrate JJ because his good looking face?
and as we know that here, JJ fans answer yes. Next…..so if JJ is less handsome …he is definitely on a higher ranking then??
I just make a point that many people can judge somebody’s ability objectively and especially this is a trainer’s judges which i think is more competent…..
well, being recognized is not only about ranking though most often it show if someones ability is being recognized. in the past few years, JJ wasn’t on the list of singers with vocal abilities, and yes that’s partly because of his looks that people underrate his vocal skills. We -JJ fans that said his looks is double-edged sword-, here, didn’t try to make it seems like “if JJ is less good looking, then he’ll rank higher than Junsu”, NO. it’s just that we’re kind of hoping that people will start recognizing his talent and skill beyond all that angelic good look.
Read again, i don’t mention Junsu at all….becoz my point is :
– not everybody fall for somebody’s looks thus can not think properly n objectively….that’s including Me
– especially this is vocal trainer’s judges whose i believe more competent and there is no appraisal for physical beauty here
– there are a lot of talented singer in Kpop, try to watch Immortal Song for example
Congratz baby Su! you are the best~ also for Jae and Chun~~ JYJ MANSE MANSE MANSE!!!! Dae-to-the-bak!!! hehehe.. all of them have such a beautiful voice~~~~ ^^
Wow…your stan-attitude should be enough of a reason to be banned…
I’m not saying Junsu should be this ranked and JJ in that ranked. Each singer has his own song to fit and not every rendition of the song is his best or worst. Tone, timbre, colour, etc., those criteria are subjective to one’s ears. Perhaps to professionals they knew the right key and note and glide as to rank them accordingly. But on cue, when someone sings, its not only the sound but the feel inside the heart, the totality of the person singing his song. I have no doubt about Junsu and Yoochun may or should have his criteria for being melodious in mellow. As a JJ biased, i must say,I am moved! Him singing without seeing the face, his expression all comes vividly to mind. And watching him sings, I can’t contain all his emotion.He is acting the song (emotionalism, they call it) I heard long ago Insa (Farewell) without knowing it’s JJ and the song left an impression. Watching SKK Scandal and hearing For You Its Waiting. . . as if a pleasant pierce keeps comings to me. I was drawn to keep wanting to know who is behind such soulful voice. Yeah, perhaps JJ’s heavenly looks make his songs all the more passionate, lovely, captivating, undeniably disturbing to the senses and imagination.
It’s been a really really long time since I decided to write such a long comment. I hope you know that I’m writing this when i’m super calm. I hope my poor English will not make anyone misunderstand the meaning of my message, and that this comment won’t be deleted >.<
I guess some Junsu fans feel that whenever this kind of ranking appears, JJ's fans will make it sound like they don't agree with the ranking of Junsu, or that Junsu doesn't deserve higher ranking. It might not be your attention, but maybe just the way you say it, for example " I think JJ should be higher", or "JJ's voice is more expressive more me" ( these are just some examples, not actual quotes)
Now i'm not trying to create a fan war here. I've never written or expressed anything that would cause fanwar before, and I'm writing this in a clear state of mind (lol). I just want to say something that I think a lot of Junsu fans feel. JJ's fans feel sad because JJ is not as recognized in terms of vocal ability, however, Junsu's fans have our own concerns too.
Ultimately, things like this are subjective, so it's impossible that everyone will agree on this. I will just state an example on how Jaejoong has always been ranked so high in terms of look. JJ fans can rejoice while Junsu fans will forever cry in the corner just because Junsu is no where to be seen on that poll !! ( lmao) But I myself never complain coz i know that jUnsu is the most handsome boy for me and that's enough.
So ultimately, please just be happy for JYJ. Look at it as JYJ's achievement as a whole One member's achievement will help the whole group, so there's no need to analyze too much. This applies to all JS, JJ and YC's fans. State our opinions freely but please also consider how others might feel about it.
I'm not sure whether i'm actually making sense. but yeah. My thoughts are quite messy right now. so bye ^^
agree…
^^
Aww it’s okay. I understand what you said and agree that some of the comments made by Jaejoong fans can lead a JS biased fan to think that way but again their just showing how biased they are because again your bias will always be #1 (but for me I skip those comments lol). But also understand that both YC and JJ(especially JJ -_-) have been passed off as pretty boys when they possess great voices that to many haven’t heard or appreciated yet. At the end of the day JYJ rocks! That is all lol To each it’s own….. JaeSu <3333
AGREE….but, since years ago junsu is forever the best…
I think you may be reading too much. Just because we are happy Jaejoong talent is recognized doesn’t mean we don’t agree with the ranking. And as you pointed out, since is subjective there is always someone who will think the ranking is wrong, or that this or that should be higher.
I’m pretty sure it has nothing to do with Junsu, so don’t worry ^-^
hi ^^ i’m actually not talking about JJ fans being happy that JJ is recognized, but rather, im talking about JJ fans saying things like ” i think JJ should be higher than this” but I think both of us understand this matter, so it’s ok ^^
well, can you blame JJ fans? 😉 for example when JYJ is in a list, don’t we want them to be the #1 too?
is ok, I just think that this kind of things are not mean to be so serious…
@haphuong91,
Hi,
Maybe there’s misunderstanding here, when I say should be higher, it’s not mean higher score to beat Junsu as the 1st, but rather wonder, the score from the trainer based on JYJ latest album or not, coz I think they really improve now, so maybe the score can be higher for Junsu, Jaejoong and Yoochun, and don’t worry most of us recognize Junsu being the 1st, no need to doubt about that, he deserve it, and I think JYJ is the best group, coz all of them has amazing voice that can make awesome harmonization.
” I think JJ should be higher”, or “JJ’s voice is more expressive more me”
^
im so tired of those word. i saw it in every article Junsu rank no.1 in vocalist poll. like who said that not respect JS’s ability.
@Chrispy
Then should I feel tired with Junsu’s biased fans comments saying “Junsu is the best” ??
Everyone have their own taste, but some people need to be less sensitive and others less offensive too.
mte lol
why is that ? its not like if we said that it means we dont respect js’s ability >_> seriously .. why do you think that ? nobody bashed junsu and we all know that he’s the best singer ok , its just korean always recognize jaejoong for his looks and not his talent , thats why we feel that , and about who prefers jj’s or js’s voice , its a personal preference , you like js’s voice more , fine , i like jj’s voice more , fine ! its just simple like that ..not a big deal goshh -__-
oh no i’m not that serious. it’s not a big deal for me too. and i never though Junsu is the best singer. i know it’s up on personal taste.
They do that far too often. I feel you. I think sometimes they forget that this is absolutely subjective. And these Music critic are too pinned on “the right way” rather than how the song being sang feels to the listener. It’s kind of like how my music major friend thinks that Celin Dion isn’t that great a singer, and I’m like “get out! she’s the best!” LOL.
In JYJ, Jae is the best with high range songs, Yoochun is the best with low range songs, and Junsu is absolutely best right in the middle voice tone songs. That is the voice tone God gave each.Your preference will lie with whichever voice tone “rings your bell”. It is only when they try to enter into different voice ranges that we notice their limits and skills. We should all be happy with their singing abilities and stop trying to make our biases sounds greater than others.
I can empathize with you.
What i dont understand is if JJ is perpetually underrated, does that mean,,,
Japan is deaf and blind to Junsu’s talent
Is it because they dont consider him good looking enough that they dont love him as much as Jaejoong?
If Junsu fans said that everytime JJ topped a poll in Japan i wonder what Jaejoong fans would say
I love JJ, but i hate double standards and sometimes it does rub me the wrong way too.
loving your comment!!!
this so much!!!!..but honestly though the ‘i like js but love jj more’ and ‘jj deserves more recognition’ doesn’t really bug me..i mean ppl have a right to like whoever they wanna like right?..what bugged d me most bout the comment section that there were some comments that implied that even in this poll that jj did get recognised in..their not satisfied with the results (i mean shouldn’t u b happy for him that he ranked so high and is finally getting some due recognition?) ..saying things like he should have scored higher…i mean i might just be too sensitive but doesn’t that just imply that u think he should be no.1..and since junsu ranked no.1,that he by default should be ‘dethroned'(quoting frm below)/is less deserving so to speak..yeah i’m a lil butthurt bout those sort of comments…and saying things like js is a good singer but it is jj’s voice that really moves me and stuff i think is completely unnecessary…i mean can’t u just say that u like jj’s voice without the underlying implication that u think he’s better than js..why the need to drag js’s name in and draw comparisons..seriously..everytime this sort of poll comes up… i’m honestly disheartened though..last time when jj didn’t rank..the comments were y was js there and jj not there..so i thought this time when jj ranked so high..everyone will be happy..but still some ppl are not satisfied..honestly (this is what i truly feel and u’re free to correct me if i’m wrong)..if it were some other singer which ranked ahead of jj instead of js (let’s say yesung frm suju <–awesome singer too)..i think all jj biased fans would have been more than satisfied with the ranking..somehow i feel like the main problem was that it was su's marks b that were higher…TT
you say exactly what i wanted to say ( i just didn’t know how to express it like you did ). maybe without the last part, but the rest, you say exactly what i wanted to say
honestly I dont see a reason for people to get too sensitive about this issue since no one will ever fully agree with a poll, especially if they have a strong bias and their bias is not #1 lol Thats the way it always works. I dont see anyone in this comment section bashing Junsu so I think its best to just brush it off and avoid getting to worked up by it 🙂
@tealonyx
“honestly (this is what i truly feel and u’re free to correct me if i’m wrong)..if it were some other singer which ranked ahead of jj instead of js (let’s say yesung frm suju <–awesome singer too)..i think all jj biased fans would have been more than satisfied with the ranking..somehow i feel like the main problem was that it was su's marks b that were higher…TT"
Dont be ridiculous.
You're directly implying that JJ fans have an issue with JS which is NOT true.
Stop trying to instigate fanwars!
@Shadow
I’m pretty sure I’m a Jaejoong bias except for on some of the days when we get new photos of Chunnie and then I think, no, I’m back to being what I started out as, a Chunnie bias. That disclaimer out of the way, I have to say I love Junsu’s voice. It’s beautiful, expressive and unique. No one’s going to tell me he’s not supposed to be at the top of the rankings. Then again, I have a soft spot in my heart the size of Kansas for Jaejoong’s voice because it sounds like love to me. It’s a gorgeous instrument and how it wound up in such a similarly gorgeous body which also is home to such a gorgeous heart and soul has gotta be one of the mysteries of the ages. Jaejoong, to me, literally is a miracle of a man–there’s just no one in the world even remotely like him. I am very thankful that I appear in fact to have a Triple, Rotating Bias! It means that I can agree with everyone about how wonderful each member is.
@Lili
I agree. I may be a Jae bias but I love Chunnie and Su all the same.
I’ve never had a bad word to say about ChunSu.
As for their voices, I love them all coz they’re all amazing and unique.
@Shadow
” I may be a Jae bias but I love Chunnie and Su all the same. I’ve never had a bad word to say about ChunSu.
As for their voices, I love them all coz they’re all amazing and unique”
Isn’t the name of the blog really the bottom line here–the JYJ3 site is a little haven, a refuge from the intense storm out there in SM dominated K-Pop Land for those fans of THE THREE MEMBERS OF JYJ. We love the group, we love the guys and we understand the guys well enough to know how much they value and love each other. Why would any one of us want to dis one of their beloved brothers?
@Lili
Well lady, some people just had to do it…. I don’t know what’s wrong with those people coz probably they think their bias will love them more if they speak badly of their brothers… meh~ <_<
@Shadow
@Lili
I was so happy when I clicked on this post again to see 453 comments…. oh naive me!! It’s not a post with everyone happy & raving about all of JYJ featuring highly on this poll. Instead it’s silly, childish fanwars…. *face palm* Hugging Lili & Shadow – I’m so disappointed, I need a big hug right now.
There have been a lot of quotes posted recently in gapp about gratitude. Gratitude is being happy with what you have, not complaining that it’s not enough, not good enough, that you want more. So can we understand that this is a subjective poll, that we all have our own reasons for loving certain voices more than others, & just be happy & grateful that Junsu, Jaejoong & Chunnie have been recognised in this poll.
@Sapphire
“So can we understand that this is a subjective poll, that we all have our own reasons for loving certain voices more than others, & just be happy & grateful that Junsu, Jaejoong & Chunnie have been recognised in this poll.”
YES. *sigh* Let’s do that.
@Sapphire
~hugs~
I’m glad there are still many ‘sensible’ fans around.
This post, which should be one where JYJ fans are proud of, is giving me a headache with some comments.
I agree with you a lot. I just think that although there are no intentions of undermining Junsu, comments as such comes across the wrong way… just like what haphoung91 said. Let’s say I’m not a JYJ fan or I dont have a bias. If I read comments like JJ should be rated higher, you’ll likely to interpret it as higher than JS because there’s only one person above him, and that’s JS. I’m also with you when it comes to Japan and JJ or JS for that matter.
Also, I have to somewhat agree with whoever has her comment deleted… at a certain extent. This site is mainly JJ bias but nonetheless a JYJ site as well. It’s not a bad thing though as long as we all co-exist peacefully.
@rainbow monkey
“Also, I have to somewhat agree with whoever has her comment deleted… at a certain extent. This site is mainly JJ bias but nonetheless a JYJ site as well. It’s not a bad thing though as long as we all co-exist peacefully.”
Well, you may see that JJ bias here but honestly, I just don’t. There seems to be PLENTY of content on all three of them on a regular basis. I think to have a problem with the content here being slanted towards Jae you really have to be nit-picking a bit and even so, I still just don’t see where it’s happening. Certainly we’re all free to skip posts we’re not interested in! But I must agree with you about co-existing peacefully. That’s what I want for JYJ3 too. It’s hard sometimes because I think we’ve all had the experience where we read something and as we all tend to be pretty passionate about Our Boys, our blood just boils. Maybe I should just be speaking for myself here: there have been times when I just could NOT stop myself from posting my displeasure at something someone wrote, but I am trying to work on that and I am trying to stay calm and seated at all times. lol
🙂
@Lili
“..Well, you may see that JJ bias here but honestly, I just don’t. There seems to be PLENTY of content on all three of them on a regular basis. I think to have a problem with the content here being slanted towards Jae you really have to be nit-picking a bit and even so, I still just don’t see where it’s happening..”
Not nit-picking a bit my dear, I think alot!
Look at the numerous picture-posts of Su when he attended the musical awards or when Chunnie has his dramas… tell me those are not alot!
Some people seem to have a problem with this site just because the admins are Jae bias.
And the funny thing is, they still wanna hang around here…
You know what, those people are always free to venture out if they cannot stand this site.
“Is it because they dont consider him good looking enough that they dont love him as much as Jaejoong?”
But actually yes, I dont think its a big secret that Jaejoong very much fits Japans taste and his popularity has a lot to do with his looks. So if Junsu fans point this out I wouldnt be offended its very true imo. But Junsu has been recognized for his vocals in japan as well even though Jae seems to be more appealing to Japan. Its the same as how Korea has always been very Yoosu bias and no1curr about Jaejoong in korea lol I think PtB has helped him out though
@haphuong91
Yup. actually understand a little bit of your feeling.. But I think it is normal for every biased fans to “be proud” (can i say this?) of their biased… like junsu bias is very proud of junsu of his vocal or his cuteness.. or JJ bias is very proud of his looks, and also YC bias is very proud of his sexy attitude .. XD .
We have to remind ourself all the time that not all people are same with us and maybe dont have the same bias with us. So, yeah, in public convo like this we must respect each other, love each other.. We only have each other right?
ITS.NOT.THAT.SERIOUS.
I’m getting REALLY tired of the push back on what is, in reality, fairly innocuous posts from fans wishing that JJ was appreciated a little more. No one said Junsu is not a good singer, they just said JJ deserves more recognition, which is true when you look at how JJ usually is not mentioned in anything related to ranking based on musical critics but is ALWAYS mentioned for his looks until this ranking.
How is wanting him more appreciated unreasonable in that instance?
This whole thing is just TOO ridiculous and I want JS biased to cut it OUT. No one is trying to “dethrone” your bias.>.>
Are u replying directly to me? I actually wanted to stop right there but since i read ur reply, i decided to write mine.
I’m not sure whether or not it’s because of miscommunication, but u sound quite pissed to me. It might be because it’s the accumulation of all the previous posts that makes you so pissed, but please know that i wasn’t being “paranoid” or anything; like i said, i was and am calm while writing my posts.
I’ve never said that it’s “unreasonable”. I was just merely voicing out my concerns in the nicest way possible. We all know how JJ’s fans feel everytime there’s a vocal ranking and JJ is not in the top. Trust me, I know coz i have JJ biased friends too. However, what I was stating was Junsu’s fans feelings. I just think it’s fair for us to share our feelings. Like I said, it’s not only JJ fans who are upset over sth, we have our concerns too ( for e.g: how Junsu is forever underrated in japan. but dont worry, i’m not gonna elaborate on that).
You sounded quite pissed so I just wanted to clear things up.
@Tealonyx:
how is it inappropriate/arrogant?
See this is you assuming that b/c I say “JJ is getting a lot of attention now” that I MUST mean that “if it were the same exposure Js wouldn’t be #1”. Don’t assume a conclusion that I don’t give out.
“(yup, sorry but he’s considered to be the best singer even in japan..jj is the most popular by a long shot but js is still considered the best singer ”
POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK. You JUST committed the same inappropriate/arrogant move that you accused me of.
I NEVER went into who is “better” b/c I’m not trying to start anything. I was just stating the facts. On top of that, Just b/c he won “asia” does not mean that Japan thinks he is better than JJ. That is a load of BULL. Winning Asia doesn’t mean he won every country in Asia. On top of that, most of the votes on that were from KOREA. Seriously, don’t come at me with that.
@Haphuong and Tealynyx:
The comments here, on twitter, on other blogs,etc
Its ridiculous that you’re actually sitting here and telling me that JS fans don’t say negative shit against JJ and YC when I’ve seen it so many times. Oh wait, but its ok when its covert or other JS fans right?
I would’ve said smth if there was ill-intent from the JJ fans, but there wasn’t any. YOU blew this shit up into something it didn’t need to be. Its sad b/c I’m sure you just think I’m a biased JJ fan, but I’m not. I don’t have a bias in JYJ and I don’t care if anyone else does. What pisses me off ( NOW Im pissed) is when you try to absolve yourself of any blame but then pile it on everyone else but YOU.
JS fans DO all the things you accuse JJ fans of doing. ALL.OF.IT AT THE SAME FREQUENCY.
Honestly, you two are making me not like JS fans and I never had an issue with Js fans before today.
@bmw81187 “JS fans say negative shit about JJ and YC” ? OK. You claimed you’ve seen that, so may times? Fine. Fair enough. there will always be ill-mannered biased fans who will say bad things about other members. that is unavoidable. However, what I was expressing was my feelings towards this particular post. Reread my comments again to see whether you can understand that. And my concern was that JJ fans felt that they must keep emphasizing how they think JJ is better in their comments. that’s what bothers me.
I think it’s unnecessary for you to get worked up like this. I was really polite, and merely stating my opinion. However, you feel like you’re the owner of the internet, and that i’m not allowed to say what i want to say. Furthermore, I”m a genuine JYJ fan who just wanted to share my feelings, I didn’t even have any ill intention. Please quite being a police here. You don’t own this space.
@ haphuong I read your comments throughly.
But of course, now I’m told that I’m trying to ‘OWN” internet.
How predictable. I started this whole thing trying to clear the air, but now I have come away from this with a new opinion on quite a bit. I’m always wrong, I’m always the provocateur,I’m always the rude one, I’m always the one that when I come to the defense of people that I think are being unfairly judged, I’m trying to “police” the internet.
You have an opinion, YES. But your opinion does not trump other people’s opinions and that is pretty much how you treated this whole thing whether you can see that or not.
@bmw81187 you’re saying like you’ve received this kind of comments from other people before. Anyway, as you can see, I also came here with the purpose of stating my opinion – no harm. and i’m still trying to be polite even after you’ve lost your cool.
and you’re right. I can’t force everyone to agree with me, and neither can you. I see we have very different on this. Fine. I don’t need you to accept my opinion, but you should also stop saying how your opinions are correct coz i will never see that either.
I’m not pissed, I’m annoyed. There IS a difference.
Sharing feelings is fine, but when it gets to the point where you assume JJ fans are trying to undermine another member’s success it then gets ridiculous.
Nothing about that assumption is reasonable, especially since just b/c your friends might think that way doesn’t mean every JJ biased does and most DON’T.
Japan is a whole other league, and who they like is who they like. JS biased wouldn’t really be able to level that claim anyway since the level of exposure in Japan has been exactly the same from the beginning.JJ got solo activities,Js got solo activities,etc.Js has had ample opportunities in Japan, so it is what it is. You can’t say that about Korea, not by a long shot. JJ has been getting equal exposure only recently, and that is why he’s gaining so much attention right now.
Neither one is the same situation.
Ohhhh I think what i said hasn’t been interpreted like how i would want it to be. .. sorry maybe it’s just that i can’t express myself good enough. I’m just going to be straight to the point. Comments like “I like Junsu but Jaejoong is the best” (again this is not the actual quote) are what makes me annoyed. Yes. everyone has her own biased and professing her love for her bias is nothing wrong. However, why can’t we just have a “celebrating” tone instead of a “i don’t agree with this tone”. Like i’d never go to a “most handsome idol” poll and say “i love JJ and YC but JS should be number one” >.< It defeats the whole "celebrating" mode of the post. Which is what exactly happens here.
Then I think you should be jumping on the NUMEROUS “I like JJ, but JS is the best singer”
comments on this article as well. Don’t just single out JJ fans, that is another thing that annoys me about the Junsu biased in this article.
‘Japan is a whole other league, and who they like is who they like. JS biased wouldn’t really be able to level that claim anyway since the level of exposure in Japan has been exactly the same from the beginning.JJ got solo activities,Js Ygot solo activities,etc.Js has had ample opportunities in Japan, so it is what it is. You can’t say that about Korea, not by a long shot. JJ has been getting equal exposure only recently, and that is why he’s gaining so much attention right now’
i’m shocked that u dont think this comment is a lil inappropriate/arrogant ….coz obviously if they had the same amount of exposure, js would have never been considered as k-pop best singer..*plz note the sarcasm*…brushing aside js achievement in korea and japan (yup, sorry but he’s considered to be the best singer even in japan..jj is the most popular by a long shot but js is still considered the best singer *plz don’t forget the entire junsu ‘Asia’s No.1’ title came during his japan promo’s) by saying it’s cause of the amount of exposure he got is rude..
i “single out JJ fans” because JJ fans are the ones who make those kind of comments the most. And I don’t think you get my point. The point is, in this ranking, Junsu DOES get number 1. So naturally, agreeing with that is like complimenting. However, becuase JJ get 2nd, and not 1st, by saing “I like Junsu but JJ’s voice is the best”, ppl are, like you say “dethroning” the ranking. That’s the difference. People are not satisfied with this ranking.
@bmw81187 Then I think you should be jumping on the NUMEROUS “I like JJ, but JS is the best singer”…by numerous u mean 2 or 3?..vs probably half the comments up there….i’m sorry but if u can’t see what @haphuong91 is tryin to say..then this conversation probably is not gonna lead anyway..so let’s just end it here…
@haphuong91
That isn’t true at all. I see Js fans making all kinds of comments that explicitly are slights against the other members.
I’m not liking all the gripes with JJ fans when you won’t even address the people in your camp that do the same things you believe JJ fans are doing. Its hypocritical.
@bmw81187 Please tell me all the comments Junsu’s fans have made that are against other members? Please count how many comments like that can u see ? one ? two ? and i’ll tell you just how many comments JJ fans have made regarding how “JJ’s voice is better”. You are the hypocritical here.
@bmw81187…Asia’s No.1 title came frm a poll? seriously,ppl (korea)voted for him to get the title? 0_o?..o thought it was a coined term frm the management/media/fans…and maybe i should have worded it better but what i meant to say was the level of exposure is not really an issue..coz junsu voice was/is equally highly regarded in japan..so if i offended anyone by bringing up the Asia’s no.1 bit i’m sorry…but more importantly…
‘Japan is a whole other league, and who they like is who they like. JS biased wouldn’t really be able to level that claim anyway since the level of exposure in Japan has been exactly the same from the beginning.JJ got solo activities,Js Ygot solo activities,etc.Js has had ample opportunities in Japan, so it is what it is.’ SO IT IS WHAT IT IS? <— u don't think that's a lil rude?..and yes this comment does imply that given the same amount of exposure, jj will 'dethrone' junsu….aaargh..this whole thing is so pointless…let's just drop it….*sigh*
@haphuong91
we were having a celebrating tone until your comment…. and a healthy discussion
and most of the people comments are saying how accurate the ranking is in general…
@Carmila No. The way i see things, a lot of comments have been focusing on how some people are still not satisfied with the ranking. And I think the discussion we’re having right now IS healthy too, because it addresses something that has been going on for quite sometime.
@haphuong91
“a list that actually makes sense
THIS was the real evaluation and the real ranking.
I strongly agree with everyone who likes this sort of ranking.
now this is an accurate ranking”
People saying they enjoy JJ (or JS or YC) voice more is their personal preference. I didn’t find many comments that say “the ranking make no sense” or “JJ should be first”, while I find many comments that say the ranking is accurate. I don’t think is wrong saying I like this voice best, is only an opinion.
I don’t think that discussing if a member “should have higher score” in one aspect is “dethroning” Junsu.
And people are discussing too about Yoochun scores, but it seem you only care about Jaejoong’s. Is it because Junsu is right above him? Don’t worry, it has nothing to do with junsu, if JJ was 3 or 18 we would discuss it.
Is just a ranking, I don’t know why people are so sensitive about it.
And also, not everyone will agree with it, or has to agree with it
@Carmila “And also, not everyone will agree with it, or has to agree with it” agree. Not every one will and has to agree with what a person thinks. Therefore, besides congratulating the three, i don’t see the point of keep saying how one likes this and not that.
but why not? I mean if you are not insulting someone else, in which case I would say keep your oppinion to yourself. But if you are not belittling anyone, why should people stop expressing their personal preferences?
I doubt anyone here wanted to insult Junsu or anyone (lets not talk about the troll ;)) so I don’t see what is wrong with them voicing their preferences. or discussing an aspect of the scoring, for example.
We are all humans with different preferences and opinions, there is nothing wrong with it as long as we can respect other people preferences too.
Sorry if any comment made you feel like we were dethroning junsu, he is # 1 and I belive he deserves it 🙂
‘The point is, in this ranking, Junsu DOES get number 1. So naturally, agreeing with that is like complimenting. However, becuase JJ get 2nd, and not 1st, by saing “I like Junsu but JJ’s voice is the best”, ppl are, like you say “dethroning” the ranking. That’s the difference. People are not satisfied with this ranking’
@haphuong91 this is my sentiments exactly!!! it’s like they feel bb junsu shouldn’t be no.1..but seriously though let’s just drop it coz this argument probably’s gonna go on and on and on…*hugs fellow xiahpwa* …let’s be happy tht all our boys ranked and as a group their score is probably the highest,right?…so technically JYJ is No.1!!!<3
I feel the same as the two of you. I read the post from the top til here and find the majority of the comments are such. I find it odd that some people are so aggravated over 1 or two comments that dares to question theirs. It wasn’t necessarily a comment(s) that was intended to lead into some “bias-war” but more on saying what what the person feels and what most probably too but decided to keep quiet about it. Also, the caps locking and over-defensive (sorry, i wanted to say it in a nice term but it comes to me that way) comments from bmw81187 didn’t help at all. We are supposed to be family here. Of course we don’t agree on everything but we should be able to take in what others said and take it with a gain of salt. As long as it’s not bashing (as i did not see tealonyx and haphoung91’s comments as bashing but a mere opinion) anybody from JYJ, we should be able to accept them and be cool with it.
Now… breathe in…. breathe out…. aaaahhhhh~~~~ lets all go back to spazzing…~
did you REALLY just single me out? Seriously?
Ok, I’m done here.
No one here is wrong except me and JJ fans. Got it.
I’m sorry, it did appear as I singled you out but in all honestly, i don’t have anything against towards you (as a person or you commenting).I actually agree with most of your comments from other posts i was pointing out at your caps locking and your means of replying that came across me as over defensive and most of all not towards JJ fans. I just said your caps locking and over defensive comments didn’t help. I was pointing towards the action and not towards the person.
Ok i get it,
My conclusion is Junsu fans..they don’t like it when JJ fans say the statement ” maybe junsu is number one here but i like JJ voice more”..hmm i think i can understand this if you doesnt like it but dear this is everyone personal taste.
Anyway if you know in allkpop there is fanwar too about this even some people still questioned JJ voice and mostly they just agree with one things this poll legit because Junsu is number 1 means….
Just be happy JS fans your bias recognize with his talent as a singer not like JJ,, for me nothing to be proud about winning the most handsome people after all he is a singer not a model, thats why i wish people can recognize JJ voice and of course YC too coz this guy have a good voice like his brother.
be happy JYJ fans (i say JYJ fans not bias fans here) we can agree and disagree here but still we support the same grup so we are in the same team, lets support each other and try be respectful each other too. sorry with my english and good night
I try to make it simple…..and i speak as neutral as possible:
When u dissatisfied about one of our boys’ ranking, which is made by the ‘outsider’, you are so free to express your dissatisfaction….and it’s better if u don’t drag another’s boy’s name or worse…make a comparison.
i reply for general, not just to mjjejelove..
That’s why i said i can understand if JS fans like you doesn’t like this and i can understand if all of you become so angry should i say to all JJ fans ( even if you look at my comment i never said anything about JJ is more then JS), one things from this converstation at least we know what each other want….what JS fans want and JJ fan also YC fans want too. All of you already said what you dont like each other and then what… in the end this coming back to everyone personal preference, i just wish now we can be more rescpectful each other.
“dissatisfied” so this is hwat you feel from JJ fans comment..sigh,, i even never said and feel like that..sigh,,,
oh im sorry i dont see your second comment.
the simple lesson is is to stop comparing the boys if you really love them. When you start comparing, all the biasness will come out ( like today ).
@haphuong91
“the simple lesson is is to stop comparing the boys if you really love them. When you start comparing, all the biasness will come out ( like today ).”
I agree! When you have 2 singers of their quality, everybody wins, right? Besides, we can’t even imagine how important to one another Junsu and Jae are within the group JYJ. They TOTALLY depend on each other in the live show. You can see it and you can hear it. So let’s properly respect the brother singers here. I would hate to think of the group being without either one of them.
Good lesson for all JYJ fans here ^^
*now i think i should sleep, again let’s be happy JYJ fans **
@lilibaiyu i wish everyone could be as respectful as you are .
@lilibaiyu
your comment ❤ this is call respectful ^^
Can i hold you?
Coz what you said is true!
You can see in every musical/sing ability with jusnu being no.1, there will always comment like what you said above, and since they are the majority bias here, then almost in every comment you’ll find for me he should be no.1, etc etc, so many will said that and it’s just feel the majority here not agree with js being no.1 and not happy with it..but what can we do? If we said something they’ll said every one has their opinion,yep..opinion to feel dissapointed coz junsu being no.1.
I feel so unwelcome in a post where the 3 in the same pool and junsu being the no.1
Sometimes i really wish junsu just being ignore in the corner and let the other being no.1 and highly recocgnize so everyone will be happy.
That’s sad. Never do that.
~sigh!~
Junsu, Jaejoong, Yoochun… I’m so HAPPY that despite ALL the trolling and blocking to you guys, Trainers still ACKNOWLEDGE and RECOGNIZE your voices and talents, that’s why I’m so PROUD to be a FAN OF JYJ!
I’m so glad JJ voice is recognized! He is an amazing talented singer.
And also glad to see Yoochun and Junsu in the list, they all deserve it.
A bit of maths here and JYJ score is 26.8 and all 3 members are in the list!
JUNSU FOREVER THE BEST
JYJ FOREVER THE BEST =_=
JUNSU, YOOCHUN, AND JAEJOONG FOREVER THE BEST!
we’re trying to keep every calm here so please don’t make everyone so worked up again lol
@haphuong91
I love every single comment you made on this post, It seems like you took the words right out of my mouth.
I wish people with biases would stop trying to shove their biases down our throats, so we can just enjoy how well JYJ is doing against all odds.
“we’re trying to keep every calm here so please don’t make everyone so worked up again lol”
and lol @ this comment.
yep he is ! and so is jaejoong and yoochun
JYJ FOREVER THE BEST ^__^
well said my dear.
sorry…i was talking about the idol list….he is in 80% of the polls number 1…so forever the best….
woah, so much heated for ranking (well, as always in pop fandom in general and kpop in particular, or extreme to say the least). it’s just one among many rankings, guise.
for me, it all depends on songs mostly. i can bleh to js/jj/yc voice in some songs but not others. just like pavarotti sings well but for ‘time to say goodbye’, jose carreras sounds much more better than him; yet not so in other songs.
still, it’s good that at least jyj fans are not to worry/defense over these guys’ singing skills like fans of other groups as a whole (in kpop realm at least). tho some stans are really malicious / ill-natured in fandom issues, whichever excuses you use to laugh off or otherwise, mock at other fans *so much energy to waste*
i agree that the voice preferences depend on the song they sing. The argument of whose voice sounds better is really a never ending debate.
@popo Are you the Admin of yeppopo.wodpress.com?
I can definitely tell that you are YG biased. Your blog’s contents are all about k-pop but I see that especially for JYJ news, your blog is really really unupdate. It is so unfair to those who just CAN read Indonesian blog and want to know more about JYJ. Most of your JYJ news are just tagged with other idol groups, such as POLLING.
I know that your are YG biased, and of course it dosn’t matter, BUT… surely you have to balance on writing articles about all k-pop idols,especially the populer one. I am saying this because your blog isn’t dedicated for YG only (I found many of your articles write about SM groups),unlike JYJ3 that exist for supporting JYJ ONLY. We are all happy for Bigbang’s victory @MTVEMA but none of your articles write about JYJ’s success concert in Berlin…I am totally can’t accept this. All I want to say is BE FAIR PLEASE.
No offense, but PLEASE don’t comment in JYJ3 as if JYJ3 isn’t fair because you are the one who do that…
Correct me if I’m wrong…
hey, sorry, late reply as i’m not that dedicated to fandom all times.
and sorry, i don’t know what you were talking about. i don’t know indonesian language either.
i don’t think it’s necessary for me to declare who i am to you or what i’m doing to justify my ‘fairness’; yet to reveal a bit for chat-chit sake, no, i’m not yg biased, oh in fact, no kpop biased whatsoever. i do have my fav kr artists tho. name some? naul of brown eye souls, taisha. hence, kindly re-read what i commented before jumping on me.
Here’s what I think, my very own personal point of view:
I’m a totally JYJ biaised fan because I love the three of them deeply, so I can’t choose one among them.
¿Do I like one of them as a man more than the others? Yes; I’m totally in love with Jaejoong and also with Junsu, but my first love is Jae no doubt. I keep Chun into my heart but he’s not my type although I think he’s very attractive and manly.
¿Do I like one of their voices more than the others? This one is difficult. Well, tbh I die for Junsu’s superb angelic voice. ¡Ohhh! Junsu’s voice makes me soar in heaven. Jaejoong’s voice ¡Oh gosh! Absolutely wonderful. When I heard him singing “It’s my world” I almost fainted; ¡what a magnificent voice! Yoochun’s baritone voice, the least common tone of the three, ¡ohhh man! very deep, it reaches your inner self and it fills everything with his sensuality. Amazingly beautiful. (Jae and Su are tenors) What I am trying to say is, it doesn’t matter who’s ranked higher by the vocal trainers. They sure know about voices and their statements are valid to make up a rank but at the end the ones who decide which voice to keep in our heart are us all, their loving fans. It’s a very personal choice since not all of our brains process what our ears listen in the same way. Maybe some of us have a “good ear” in musical terms, others don’t, but we all have different musical tastes and opinions.
As @haphuong91 says above, “Ultimately, things like this are subjective, so it’s impossible that everyone will agree on this”.
The only thing that I’m absolutely certain is: I CAN’T IMAGINE JYJ WITHOUT ANY OF JAECHUNSU VOICES. Their voices harmonize and complements perfectly, They form an unbelievable wonderful unit beyond comparisons. And the three of them are extremely talented artists. 😀
A++++++++++++++++++++++++
Thank you dear ShuheiLove!
^^ lOve this!!!!!
JYJ harmonizations r perfect n flawless……
JYJ r perfect n complete each other……..
*agree
yeah JYJ Dae to the Bak…..
Agreed the three sound really good together ^^ And even though I prefer some voices over others I don’t think the other voices are any less.
No one can sound angelic like Junsu can or reach the super high notes. No one can touch my heart like Jaejoong’s voice does and soothe my soul. And no one can seduce me as much as Yoochun does with his rapping and low baritone voice.
Together these three are complete and that is why they can play with any genre they choose to.
I really want them to try a hiphop song so fandom can love Yoochun’s voice more.
They are ALL weak in areas…..none of them are perfect………but when their voices are combined they cover each other imperfections and create magic. ^^
Where JYJ fans differ I feel is just the type of voice they prefer……..not the technical aspect. Junsu is indeed amazing in the technical aspect! While Jaejoongs voice is most pleasing to my ears. And when I hear Yoochun rap I think no one can rap like him (he could totally go Eminem style if he wanted).
OO my sis @shuhe….A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I knew there’s a reason why I don’t read too much comments here anymore. People are looking for way to create war, and issue out of every damn thing. Okay people if you think this site is too bias for you liking, just GTFO! It won’t cost you anything, and definitely will save us some troubles.
I think JJ in PtB and him singing the OST really did him a lot of good. Because of the popularity of the drama and his solo, people are sitting up and noticing him for not only his good looks, but his talent in acting and singing. Anyway i’m just happy that our boys have done well here 🙂
i know that everyone here have different biases in JYJ and i know that all of us like to express how we feel about them thru our comments… Everyone of us are different from each other, what may be offensive to me might not be for others, etc. I just hope that everyone keeps an open mind about it and to not dwell too much on each other’s comments…
Yoochun’s voice is so special. I love him because his voice’s very warm.
Giong hát mang phong cách Park Yoochun.^^
Im happy to se JJ on this ranking, srsly, hes one of the best singers on kpop, so congrats to Jae!!
Junsu at 1st…not even surprised, Korea love this boy’s voice, and im totaly in the same situation, he has the most beautiful and unique voice i’ve ever heard…so yeah, he deserves to be at no. 1!!!!
And Yoochun is also here!! so happy!!! although Chunnie’s voice is not my favorite (dont worry Chun ur still my 2nd ultimate bias xDD) i have to admit that he has a beautiful color of voice, specialy in low toned songs, so im happy to see mi Chunnie on this list.
are JYJ the best or what?? xDDD
JYJ sugoiiiiiiiiiiiiiii……..
GO JYJ! ♥ We always support you! ♥ It’s true that Xiah had a good voice quality! 🙂 also for Jae ♥ and Micky! ^^
AKTF!
–Fan from Philippines
Hello!!!
Nice to see another Pinay fan here…
Wag ka sana madala sa wayan gaya nyan kanina… Marami kasing adik dito… heheh….
Tayong mga Pinoy, stay low lang… ehheheh…
Minsan pag tlagang OA na, hinahayaan ko nlng sila, gusto ko na ngang abutan ng tag-isang kutsilyo eh…. heheheh….
So ayun, hello ulit! ^_^
@sam-sam…alam mo sumakit ang ulo ko sa mga comment,ayaw magpatalo lahat.minsan nakakainis na.
hi stephanie!
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Are you kidding me?
Changmin and Yunho were and are the best out of TVXQ.
Do you even know Min’s range and high pitched tone?
Yun’s vocal and technique?
Duh,this site is indeed JYJ biased,the poll was mess up big time.
Just because you like JYJ more than Homin doesn’t mean you can overlook Homin’s voice and say JYJ are the better singer and voices.
¿¿¿¿¿ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? Sorry, I couldn’t resist the temptation to do so. ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is the total ranking:
http://www.tweetdeck.com/twitter/AlmightyPloyje/~a1rw7
You can notice YH was ranked number 16 out of 17 by the vocal trainers.
BTW, congratulations. CM was ranked number 10. The boy has a great voice indeed 🙂
sis this girl r ‘cute’……… i cant stop laughing.. hahaha
¡YES! Poor thing. It seems she can’t distinguish between a toad and a duck when listening at them. ¡¡ROFL!!
i cant even mad at her.. XDDDDDDDDD
@logicgem u r d best+funniest troll i ever seen………. please come n visit JYJ3 n JYJers again..
¡YES! We need to divert from time to time. Very funny, oh yes……. 😀
^.~
offcours this site is jyj biased because this site made for JUST AND ONLY JYJ !! so u should know by urselfe >>>> NO HOMIN ! ITS JUST JYJ !! <.<'
Sorry @logicgem.. THIS IS A JYJ SITE.. please go to other site if you want to talk about Homin.. you can read in the admin disclaimer right?
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
girl u r sooooo funny…. thanks for giving me a big laugh…
LOOLOLOLOL!
Admins! Please, don’t delete this post! It’s so funny that I can’t stop laughing!
JYJ biased site… WAAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
This isn’t a JYJ biased site: this is a JYJ site (the best JYJ site so far!)
Poor little girl, next time you better read the header! Removing a single word, meaning changes completely.
And, by the way, Yuhno’s nasal voice and Min’s screaming were NEVER the best voices in DBSK. Look at what vocal trainers said!
lol trollin, trollin, trollin~
Not even gonna bite this hilariously false troll post.
OMG LOL! Oh please don’t even get me started
omg someone cannot read or what? IT’S JYJ FANSITE. Poor you
HAHAHAHAHA yo brainless skull ! go buy some brain and get a life .. you’re just wayyyyyy too pathetic.
LOL your avatar shows your monster with a brain but without a skull , i guess your brain is just useless and its not that you have no brain , poor thing HAHAHAHAHA ( yeah i love to troll too :D)
Perhaps the brain was exposed to air for too long and now it is oxidized. Needs a transplant.
*dr Victor Frankenstein is urgently required in operating room … *
😀 😀 😀
Thank’s for your comment,,,, i can’t stop to laughing now…ROFL 🙂
@logicgem
Min’s “high-pitched tone”?? That’s some interesting terminology. I can see you know a lot about vocal technique. lol
¡¡¡¡¡ROFLMAOOO!!!!!! ¡@Lili; dear, You’re the best!!! 😀 😀
*hugs*
I started laughing SO LOUD! The girl next to me gave me a look but she ended up laughing too!
Thanks Lili! I really needed that!
I hate the company I work for so much I dont even attempt to smile here, but her comment made me LAUGH!!!!!!!!
So you, little HM fan who got lost in the forest of KPOP and ended up here in JYJ3 (YES, A JYJ-BIASED SITE!!) I thank you SOOO MUCH!!!!!
(And yes Lili, she indeed has an interesting interpretation of vocal quality and skills… Sorry, Min… Your voice is just really not my type… >.>”’)
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LOL XD
“Duh,this site is indeed JYJ biased”
yes this site is totally JYJ biased. Don’t you read the above text?
JYJ3/ JUST FOR JYJ’S LOVERS!
and didn’t you read the rules? I’ll post this for you, kindly read and guide yourself whenever you go in this site again
1. This site has been created to support Jaejoong, Yoochun and Junsu from JYJ. So you can’t bash any member here, neither bash JYJ’s fans, JYJ3 Team and JYJ3.
2. Please don’t HOTLINK the pictures we posted here.
3. You can share or translate our Posts in other sites, but please give us the credit (Credits/Translation Credits: JYJ3) and do not remove, alter, or add to the credits.
4. Only to TVXQ5′s fans: You are welcome here, but please remember this is a Fansite that supports only JYJ, so please refrain yourself from spamming about Homin and Yunjae.
Finally enjoy JYJ3 and spread the love for JYJ!!!^^
errr…this is JYJ SITE… don’t you think you’re in the wrong place? and this is not POLLING, this is based on musician/ vocal trainer lists.
and no one says anything about homin is here…
….at least before you came.
now look! they’re bashing homin right now!
it was all good, just a few misunderstanding/miscommunication at first from jyj fans, until you came and start comment..
thanks to you my dear… you make me as an OT5 embarrassed!!
woy salah jalan lo ni jyj site dodol telo lo
maybe your didn’t know this IS JYJ SITE
WRONG PLACE FOR A WRONG FAN. Logicgem, i think you don’t think logically. Sorry to say, you’re like out of your mind. You may say that you’re fan of TVQX as 5-member-team, but when you compare JYJ to Homin, we-the big fans of JYJ will not let you do that. something wrong with your ears. go see the doctor. I’m sure even the doctor will laugh at you………Poor girl!
Salah besar mbak, masa’ Junsu, Jaejoong, Micky nyanyi sebagus itu kok dibilang kalah sama Homin. Kupingnya soak??????
…someone seems to be lost…
oh people please stop this war. -.-
JYJ dae to the bak~
JYJ you are The BEST……
Go watch Before You Go LIVE and you’ll know what i mean.
That’s what vocals are made to die for!
A really difficult song with a lot of difficult techniques, and they pulled it off so well LIVE
Homin’s vocals and techniques are fabulous,they make me go WOW
JYJ can’t even sing that way duh.
JaeSu are overrated really,Homin should be on top 2!!!
when i read ur comments it makes me smile………………..
ur comments is d funniest……. hahaha
XDDDDDDDDDDD ROFL!!!!!
ofcourse JYJ r overated bcz they r d best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
let me laugh with u unnie !!
the comment really makes me XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
JYJers family is sugoiiiiiiiiiiiiiii… ❤
Sorry, you forgot about the hideous autotune…………… ¡¡¡ROFLMAO!!!
@shuheilove love your comment…hahahahahahahahah…..
it is hideous enough coz my brother that just heard me listening to that just now smirk me and said
” so, you are into that robotic voice now? oh please sis, you are too old to grooving that kind of songs or your precious JYJ into that kind of sound? **i have to cencor this part because it will be too harsh/insulting to the TWO fans that frequently love to visit this site** it really make me dizzy listening to that…you better stop before your migrain strike again..”
p.s: of course i had explained to him THAT is TOTALLY NOT JYJ….funny thing is he looked relief… ;p
😉
…Wow, you sound pressed. Even HoMin stans that i know of never ever claim that they should be top 2. I like Before You Go actually, it’s a great song and they’re voices are lovely in that, but let’s face it, Changmin has never had the same amount of control JaeSu had during DB5K. He improved a lot though, I’ll give him that but he’s starting to sound a bit strained, carrying most songs by himself. And Yunho sounds good in songs of his range, but he is a bit limited. Plus I’m not a fan of nasally rap, thanks. And this coming from an OT5 fan.
mmhmm @logicgem.. can you just SHOO SHOOO!!!! Bye bye…
XD
LOL even homin’s most die hard stans doesnt even say that ! trolls these days are ruining true trolls image ( just check akp they are so funny) HAHAHAHAHAHA thanks for the good laugh !
@logicgem
“Go watch Before You Go LIVE and you’ll know what i mean.”
No, thanks. There’s no need to do when I can listen JYJ live and feel like I’m IN HEAVEN…
@logicgem
“Go watch Before You Go LIVE and you’ll know what i mean.
That’s what vocals are made to die for!”
Actually, what a coincidence. I did just watch that within the last few days. And oh my goodness, it impressed me alright. There was so much off-pitch singing I was pretty shocked, actually. They were all over the place pitch-wise. And Changmin’s attempts to “emote” vocal runs was just…. well, it was dreadful, no it was painful to watch. I can’t honestly imagine how anyone could watch and listen to it without just coming away convinced that if not for auto-tune in the studio recordings, these two would have little chance of any sort of a career.
I certainly will give you that they are both very cute and are indeed wonderful dancers. But that’s about it. Sorry.
🙂
you know, more you are talking more show how silly you are. I know you are here just to make a mess. Just wait until admin banned you. You and your fool logic.
Homin is full of AUTOTUNE, where’s the melody huh?
Does they can harmonizing like what JYJ did in IN HEAVEN?
Does HOMIN can even composed a song?
Did your bias can produce, make, and direct their own album?
You are the biased one! You plugged your ears so you could deny that JYJ ARE WAYYYY BETTER THAN YOUR IDOL!
I dont know how someone like you even can doubt expert who did this ranking?
GET OUT!
One more thing : DID THEY EVEN HAVE FREEDOM LIKE JYJ HAVE? oops sorry..JYJ have their freedom to expand their talents. They have transformed from “idol” to ” artist”
Yes, they are recording artists now.
@logicgem
“Homin’s vocals and techniques are fabulous,they make me go WOW
JYJ can’t even sing that way duh. JaeSu are overrated really,Homin should be on top 2!!!”
Oh My… seriously.. you are really embarrassing yourself. Even HOMIN themselves would not dare to think or compare their limited vocal skills to Kim Junsu. And really, if you know anything about music, HOMIN maybe adequate singers, but in terms of harmony, as a duo they will never compare to JYJ. That’s just a fact which even SME knows, hence the onslaught of auto-tune and highly engineered songs for HOMIN.
OMG XD
You are in the wrong site… Please, go away!
This is the wrong place to say that O~O
GO GIRL TELL THEM….( I think I have a good day today!)
Dear Admin, please write a big notice that the ranking starts from the bottom to the top!
It’s really messed-up, the RISING GODS OF THE EAST? Those coaches must be really TONE DEAF…DUH JAESU can’t even sing Before You Go.
JYJers, the best voice starts from the bottom!
(Thanks for a good laugh dear @logicgem)
Anyway, I think Homin sites will publish the correct ranking, GO and CHECK !
LOL
sumasakit talaga ang tiyan ko!
Actually we should thank her, na divert tayo sa JaeSu drama sa itaas, buti na lang my comedy na dumating!
PANALO DI BA? heheheheheh
winner as in!
SIYA NA!
HAHA!
ABSOLUTE AN IDIOT。。。。。。。JYJ DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD2TBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB
Homin (homo minus).
Oh… poor you….
your attempts are really … FUNNY!!! LMAO
can’t satisfy yourself in your ‘HOME SITE”, so you want to have a TASTE OF JYJ HEAVEN?
But SORRY, your idols are NOT my cup of TEA
*facepalm*
just stop and go…
you’re embarrassing yourself in other people’s home..
i still love homin, and i don’t want to read other stans badmouthing them. but what you’re doing is adding fuel to fire, THIS place hate HOMIN enough you know?
just go…
@Yukasato
“i still love homin, and i don’t want to read other stans badmouthing them. but what you’re doing is adding fuel to fire, THIS place hate HOMIN enough you know?”
Oh gosh, please calm down. *patting you on the back* I don’t “hate Homin.” I think they’re marvelously attractive specimens of Uber-Maleness and super groovy dancers. That’s apparently all you need to be considered a “Pop Group” in SK. Outside of SK, if God forbid your auto-tune box conks out, well, you’re probably going to be in trouble.
@lilibaiyu
it’s auto-tune’s fault, AND THE COMPOSER’s FAULT. GEEzzz…I know SM is regressing in creating a good material, and they pull the 2 down with them. I mean, in term of technic, i realize from many-many times ago that homin were not as good as JYJ, but like what some people said, homin were not untalented also. both can have their own way if given the perfect material that suit their voices, sure, their voices individually IMO not suit with pop song (but i like ”confession” and ”she” from KYHD album).
still, i blame them for some reason for why they still stay in that jail that prevent them to growth. if they follow their brothers, their talent will growth some more, there’s always a room for improving ya know? like our JYJ.
but it’s their choice, and I try to keep my love for them for as long as i can.
ps: @lilibaiyu maybe you don’t hate homin, but i see that many other are. and it sucks to hear the one you loves mocked by people around you, though there’re some truth in their words, but the way they said it was the one that made me sad.
Can’t believe there’s gonna be some TVXQ fans say this thing. Every true TVXQ fan can identify their voices, can tell who’s good and who’s better. And this is the vocal trainers who rank. Pls, vocal trainers. You should learn more and think twice before saying anything, kiddo.
i am watching this now, for the nth time, because i particularly like the song and the dance *blush*. as much as i always cherish db5k’s lives over their recorded ones, this time i have to be honest, i much much much prefer the recorded ones. idk which perfs you’re talking about, but the one i’m hearing right now makes me want to cringe so much. they sound good in “maximum” though and i really hope they attempt to sing soulful song ends soon… -_-
as for me JYJ complement each other. they sure shines in their solo’s but they r more brilliantly super duper amazing n awesome when they r 2gther… they can rule d music world.. their harmonizations is dae to the bak!!!! JYJ hwaiting!!! JYJers hwaiting!!!^^
im a jaeharem+chunsa+xiahpwa……………
lOve this JYJ3 fandom n lets keep it strong girls no matter what happen in d past, rite now n in d future……….. ❤
lol we have a troll in our midst with bad ears. Don’t take the bait guys, just laugh at the failtroll.XD
Yes, lets just laugh at them. The moment we say something bad about Homin is when they get what they want to start a real war
@¡¡DIBUDIAZ!!
¡BABY!! So nice to see you again.
Hey!(つ ^o^) つ Its been a while huh? I got a job and with school its been super busy. How are you?
Having fun baby. ¿Are you working during Christmas? Please, show on twitter from time to time babe. 🙂
Working during Christmas and the entire semester. I’m saving up to buy a car. The subway rides everyday are killing me
¡GREAT! I wish you to achieve that goal soon 😉
@meme & JYJ
“LOL …well you’re already the notorious JYJ fan everyone talks about right ?”
*gulp* Yes, I suppose that would be me… So in a way, I HAVE to comment here. I’m probably banned almost everywhere else. lol
To quote our great national hero and wizened sage Rodney King, “Why can’t we all just get along?”
@dibudiaz
“The moment we say something bad about Homin is when they get what they want to start a real war”
Oops.
🙂
😀
@ lilibaiyu
LOL …well you’re already the notorious JYJ fan everyone talks about right ?
¡¡¡¡¡¡¡ROFLMAO!!!!!!! 😀 😀 😀 ¡YOU’RE RIGHT!!!!!!
hehehe… i cant mad at her bcz she’s funny…. i want to laugh.. muahahhahahha *evil laugh* ops sorry.. XD
All you can do are saying ‘i can’t be mad at her’ or ‘she’s trollin’ because you realize what i said was true and you can’t state what parts of my comments are the trollin.
^ can we ignore her please
Do not retaliate
Cleanse your ears with this
^ there’s your answer.
No, its because its such a ludicrous idea. It really does make people laugh.
i lOve this song….. ❤ @JUNO post more videos please^^
@JUNO Post more (｡◕‿◕｡)
Dear, so sorry but you are very funny. It’s impossible to be mad at you. I do have something to admire: Your courage and your love for HOMIN. I hope they’re capable of fulfilling all your musical expectations. 😉
what parts? lol ALL OF IT.
You fail at trollin. Go to AKP and see how to troll properly.
@Juno
I love you my sis. *muachhhh* 🙂
LOL poor u ! u really just cant face the reality that jaesu are the best vocalist !! -.-‘ the one who made the ranking is from a professional korean vocal coach… soooooo its OBVOIUS ! just accept it dear ^.^ and if u cant feel free to not come here anymore and go to homin site !
HAHAHAHAHA you’re just sooooo funny and girl you’ve got some problems , get a hold of yourself ! and calm down okayyyyys <33333 LOL
Let me add another favorite
Just because you like JYJ’s voices more doesn’t mean they are better singers than Homin.
Well, i rest my case here since all of you must have no musical background at all and it’s useless for me to point out Homin’s capability because you’ll still deny it.
Good morning.
“No musical background”
I have an extensive background in singing and playing Viola.
Don’t assume what you don’t know.
Your lack of logic makes your name ironic lol
¡ROFLMAO!!!!! But it’s obvious that you “have no musical background at all” and the worst is you don’t have musical ears either. ¡PLEASE! ¡This is very funny! Bye bye.
¡That’s because she’s a fake gem!! ¡ROFL!! That’s very logic and make perfect sense 😀
wow ! so jyj’s voices are just shit compared to homin’s .. oh well you know better than us , of course ! .. WTH ??? even homin’s stans doesnt dare to say that , you’re really something LOL .. an advice : go to the hospital to check if you have a brain and ears .. seriously , im not kidding now
if we dun have musical background but d trainers r expert in musical background^.~ awww im sad…. why u must go rn.. T____T *cries a river* XDDD
lol you know that makes me LOL at this comment .. the “good morning” at the end , its just funny , i dont why XDDDDDD
LOL…i wanna gone sleep but after read your comment i can’t sleep and can’t stop to LOL,,,you’re so funnies baby,,, 🙂
@logicgem
“Just because you like JYJ’s voices more doesn’t mean they are better singers than Homin.”
Hmmm? Wait a second did you read the article? A group of Musical Trainers evaluated and rated 16 idols on their vocal abilities. The general public did not make this up nor did the fans of the idols ranked did not make this up.
HOMIN like all the others on the list was ranked by an independent group of musical trainers. That’s what the article is about.
So @logicgem look at the stats.. they speak for themselves in terms of where HOMIN ranks in their vocal skills.
The fact that you’re ignoring that stats is confirmation that because YOU LIKE HOMIN you believe they are better singers.
Liking how they SOUND is different from whether or not they have vocal skills.
I may like the sound of my dog barking, but that does mean he can sing.
@logicgem
I may like the sound of my dog barking, but that does NOT mean he can sing.
Nooo, she left! @logicgem, I’ll miss you…. It was so much fun for us!
LOL
you really are so funny!
LMAO!!!
“Well, i rest my case here since all of you must have no musical background ”
OMG, what a shame to all JYJers, we are all noobs about what good music sounds….Oh the mighty KINGS HOMIN, behold your devoted fan preaching your glory here in JYJ3…
But anyway, I would like to thank you @logicgem to bring such great HUMOR here, all serious drama is boring, at least you give a taste of a COMEDY, it adds up life and energy and more hits to this site.
Hope next time, you’d come up to a more hilarious thing for us to laugh hard, now go drink your milk and sleep well to have a better senses the next day!
Ok seriously.. thanks to someone i can have a smile in my face before go to sleep..
sorry cant stop commenting… sooo happy….
LOL, but you always show a huge smile on your face 😀
Sweet dreams dear.
me too… ^^
thanks to her rite…… XDDD
seriously i need to study but i just can’t ,it is getting really funny with this fail trollin’ hahaha .. i just wanna thank her personally for making me laugh this much ! MWAHAHAHA
hehe…. dun suddenly laugh while reading d books… it will look weird.. XDDDD
*but im doing d same action*
LOL ikr ! im actually doing it and my mom thinks im wierd xDDDD
¡Oh my dears! I wish you to be successful with your studies. It’s good to relax with this king of jokes 🙂
awww thanks ^^ but its somehow distracting xD i just cant help but laugh everytime i try to study , she’s just too funny , oh well .. back to studying
@megajaefan
Study hard dear. You’ll succeed for sure 🙂
@megajaefan n @shuheilove i wish she comes here again… i like her.. she enlighten d mood in this post. for d 1st time in my life, i like HM stan.. *jz her only* XDDDD
@IOve @megajaefan
You’e right. We need her to make our days more often 😉
Geeeeeez. Please dont overanalyse everything. This is a happy poll. Antis and certain companies are not the only problem for JYJ but it is also certain people here who make mountains out of a moehills. You are making this site unbearable…. ALLL YOU DO IS MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF NOTHING.JUST TYPE A NICE COMMENT AND LEAVE. DONT ANALYSE EVERYTHINGGGGGG PLEASEEEEEEEE. ADMINS, PLZ JUST LOCK THE COMMENTS FROM NOW ON.
Tbh, I have got mixed feelings on this post. I’m truly excited and happy for JS and JJ but I felt so bad for YC.
The more I scrolled down the list of comments above (btw, I’m just halfway through), the more I was like ~ man, I felt REALLY bad for YC, I better get outta here. This is not good. I thought to myself, uhmmm … maybe I’m the weird one or maybe I’m tone-deaf.
But to me, just when YC (vocally) ~ might not be as technically perfect as JS/JJ, he might not be able to hit the highest of notes like JS/JJ, he might not be able to do many things that JS/JJ can do ~~~ but you can’t deny, he is still a great singer! (to me, at least). I TRULY love his voice/vocal – rich, husky and all. The emotions that he brought to the songs, when he sings. There’s just this UNIQUENESS in his voice/vocal that adds special flavors to JYJ/DBSK songs or any songs for that matter, in my opinion. But too bad, baritones will never be appreciated and will forever be underrated.
Phew, that said, Imma go take a breather and decide whether to come back and continue reading the comments, lol. Cheers!!!
P/s: Ok, Imma go take a breather and I’ll come back to continue reading the comments, lol.
YC can’t sing for fuck shake weirdo.
Just like JaeSu.
Get out from ur JYJ’S BUBBLE
if yoochun can’t sing , then what did you left for your beloved yunho -__- seriously you’re crossing the lines wayyyy too much and you just fail WHY THE HELL ARE YOU HERE ??? looks like your homin fansites are just tooooo boring but thanks for giving me a good laugh you poor thing
BTW, my VERY PERSONAL OPINION about YH. ¡His voice sucks!! That’s why he is so low ranked in that list. He’s just being an anchor to poor CM. If CM doesn’t manage to get rid of him, he’ll sink for sure.
@shuheilove
I’m surprised at you! Breaking a troll’s heart like that.
@MIa2
My dear, so sorry. My apologies. I don’t like nor want a single soul to come to bash and less to mistreat and insult any of my JYJ men. JaeChunSu are precious to me. Please excuse me my dear. And the above is what I really think, and I do appreciate CM’s voice for real; he’s a gifted singer.
LOL! Shuheilove I was just kidding! A troll is a troll!
I can’t help but worry for her. She has a bitter soul and her ears are clearly rotting so please don’t break her barely-functioning heart!
😉 😀 😀
¡Oh! So the funny HOMIN stan has a very BIG mouth. Better wash your teeth before they got infected with your “trying to be a bad-ass” dirty words. You’re the fakest gem I’ve ever seen. And yes, you’re not funny anymore. You’re just PATHETIC.
yup big mouth and big useless brainless head ^^ not to mention deaf MWAHAHAHA
i sooo much agree with every word u said !! A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
@logicgem get this right plz !! and if ur poor brain cant !! THEN PLZZ FEEL FREE TO GOOOOOO AWAY FROM JYJ3 SITE !!!!!!!!
I so agree. I can’t even think Yunho is on the chart. His voice sucks when I see the live perf of Doushite.
weren’t you supposed to be leaving?
lol you must be a closet JYJ fan to be this obsessed with them 😉
ROFL!
are you sleep yet baby????you still there to be entertainer here
thank’s for you comment,,, thank’s you come here… i’m much LOL after read your comment and i can’t stop laugh now….you’re very funny…ROFLMAO
seriously, we got A CLOWN in here!! Admin, just banned her! She obviously lost huh? lost to JYJ fansite. Perhaps your site are boring too much?
u know what also …. i wish changmin to release a solo .. sorry but yunho is ruining their songs ! his voice is just not good *my opinon*
I’ll try? to approach this through logic.
If JYJ can’t sing at all then DBSK would have gone nowhere real fast. All 5 were together for what? 7 or something years. So all the fans they have amassed in that time were there because of what? Changmin and Yunho sang parts in all songs so I’m sure you appreciated that but if you think that JYJ sang badly then how did you tolerate their music or are you a Homin/cassie/whatever fan? In most songs actually, JYJ sang the majority of the lines. Changmin did great parts too but Yunho? That I can’t agree with. He has a pleasant enough voice but vocal range or an “impressive” tone? Nope and he really does sound nasally. Even after all that he has fans so I’m pretty sure “taste” counts for a great deal. Our tastes are JYJ, yours are Homin.
The problem with you is that you assume your tastes are superior. Apparently the thousands of Japanese, Korean, IT fans who have actually heard and like all 5 (separately or together) LIVE are somehow in a “bubble” of denial. Your reference is a live video on youtube. That can be manipulated very easily. I have originals of DB5K performances where people put chipmunk voices, strained voices etc. for all 5. But you know best right?
well said ! thumps up ^^
🙂 🙂
LOL. Well-said!!
BAHAHAHAHA TROLL YOU’RE SO OBVIOUS XDDDD
I’m back. And the first thing I see is a clown commenting here, issssssh.
@logicgem
First of all, your name doesn’t suit your brain (I’m assuming that you have one).
Secondly, if what you said is: JYJ can’t sing. I have this to say to you: It’s hightime for you to go get your ears checked, GO … like N-O-W!!!!!!!!
🙂
@logicgem
“YC can’t sing for fuck shake weirdo. Just like JaeSu.”
WOW… Ahhhhh and now we see your true colors…
When you have no “logic” to support your point of view, fans like you always just resort to cursing and name calling?
And yes you are at a blog called JYJ3 it is a JYJ BUBBLE….. that’s why we are here!! duhhhhh!
“And yes you are at a blog called JYJ3 it is a JYJ BUBBLE….. that’s why we are here!!” ~ aHahaha, isn’t this obvious? There’s clown who’s obviously lost her way, LOL.
It was fun for a while, but now she is going beyond limits.
Can I borrow from the always underappreciated Yoochun his ‘ F*ck you ‘ sentence and throw it in this troll face?
try harder and more dear
You’re really making me LAUGH!!!
LOL!
you’re still here after said “resting my case here” ???
I’m OT5, a die hard one since 4 years ago. and you make me embarrassed.
OK NOW YOU’RE REALLY PISSING ME OFF!!! I was going to keep myself out of the dissing of the troll. But I’m not going to ANY LONGER!
If you have something smart mouthed to say, say it, and then take your happy little ass home. Don’t you dare come in here and say something like this again – “YC can’t sing for fuck shake weirdo. Just like JaeSu.”
These are three of the most exceptionally talented young men to come down the pike in a very long time. Your opinion means JACK! You sound completely like the fool you are. No one here is impressed with anything you have to say. Actually, this phrase comes to mind listening to you ~~ “If she had a brain, she’d be dangerous!” GO HOME LITTLE GIRL. YOUR MOTHER IS CALLING YOU!
its ok bb, they’ll appreciate chun one day *nods* until then lets cheer him on, OK?
=D
@bmw81187
Ok, I’m all ready to cheer our Chun now, hahaha.
awwwwwwww i really love yoochun’s voice its just so deep and sexyyyyy ! really !
I love Yoochun’s voice as well. I really L-O-V-E his voice in “Get Out”. He sounds incredibly good.
Not to mention his “FUCK YOU” ¡HA! ¡Extraordinary!!!
esp when he sings it live !! man i get chills when says : “i dont need a damn explain ” live ! it just sounds tooooooo good !! love his voice ^^
Thank you, you are a darling. *hugs*
Ikr? This is one my favourites from the album. And may I borrow YC’s “F*CK YOU* to say it to the clown above, what’s her name again? …… @logicgem???
@bubbly
You’re welcome dear. Yoochun baritone voice reaches my soul . ¡Gosh the man has a very sexy voice! 😉
@bubbly
My dear, I really love this one; I could fall in love with Chun while listening at him singing this wonderful song
My lovely seductive rascal………
@megajaefan
Deep and sexy is YC’s voice, so agree. Glad that I’m not alone, haha.
Yes Yoochun’s voice is very sexy. Especially when he sang “All in Vain.” You can find it on Youtube. He sounds so good. 🙂
@cha
Ah! “One Last Cry” — and Yoochun was a puppy (20) still, yet gave a mesmerizing performance.
dear ! im with u that yc has an unique voice .. dont worry we didnt forgate abt him without him the songs of jyj wont be completed !!
JYJ COMPLET EACH OTHER !! ^___^
@logicgem
just one question for u !! WHAT THE HELL R U DOING HERE !!!!!!!!!!??????????
@jj4ever
“JYJ COMPLETE EACH OTHER !! ^___^” ~ well-said, my friend!!!
That’s exactly my point! Looking at how things are unfolding, my worry is that J-Y-J might end up as just J-J, if you know what I mean.
Oops, did I just say something that I shouldn’t say 😛
i know wt u mean ! and dont worry that will never happen ! even thoiugh im jj bias i’ll always support the other 2 as they r my bias as well ! its like i cant imagine JJ without yuchun and junsu ! they r connected to each others with a rope that cant be broken ! ^___^ they r brothers and so jj fans and yc fans and js fans must be brothers as well right !! then all of us are JYJ FANS !
dear ! im with u that yc has an unique voice .. i love it so much and dont worry we didnt forgate abt him without him jyj songs cant be completed ……. JYJ COMPLETE EACH OTHER ^____^
@logicgem
and u ! one question for u !! WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING HERE !!!!!!!!!!???????
opps !! SORRY for the double post >.<
I love Yoochun’s voice. I just don’t think he is given enough time to shine when standing next to the other two.
The soulmate songs in Japan are my favorite songs forever because Jae and Yoochun both balanced each other perfectly. They both shone brilliantly. I want them to create more music like that where all three can shine this time.
I think a big weakness (if you count is as a weakness?) is that Junsu is so technically strong and his voice is so powerful that the other two sometimes have to get out of their comfort zone to stay ‘in-pace’ with our beloved Junsu. Especially Yoochun. What I think they should do is lay off the smoking (if they are considering careers as singers as a lifetime thing). And Yoochun and Jaejoong need to revisit a vocal trainer….to become technically as good as Junsu. And Junsu may need to step back just a tiny little bit to let their group dynamics shine more. Actually…..Junsu and and Jaejoong both. Instead of trying to individually shine they need to figure out a system to make their group shine as a whole………….and I love the fact that through this new album they are already making headway down that path (—->In Heaven, You’re, Nine, Pierrot,etc.)
I hope their new international album will continue this trend ^^
Hi pheonixia *waves*
I want to expand on what you said because I completely agree with your assessments. I think Jaejoong and Yoochun make the best duet within the trio because both of their voices are so flexible and compliment each other so well. I also think that Junsu’s vocal strength and uniqueness can be a difficulty, but it’s one that I think he is aware of. When you watch the footage of the musicals and the behind-the-scenes, you see that he has to make a strong effort to allow his voice to blend with his duet partners and that he’s much more comfortable with the solos. It is possible that with JYJ he relaxes a little too much and ends up bursting all over the place like the Sunshine he is. 😀 (I also agree that Jaejoong and Yoochun need to take their singing more seriously–take care of their health, do some studying–if they plan on keeping up with Junsu for the rest of their careers.)
@Eliza
“I think Jaejoong and Yoochun make the best duet within the trio because both of their voices are so flexible and compliment each other so well.”
Agree to what you said. Especially, the above quoted line. 🙂 They are Soulmates for a reason, haha ;).
“I love Yoochun’s voice. I just don’t think he is given enough time to shine when standing next to the other two.
The soulmate songs in Japan are my favorite songs forever because Jae and Yoochun both balanced each other perfectly. They both shone brilliantly. I want them to create more music like that where all three can shine this time.”
A+++ to your comment especially the above quoted lines. That’s EXACTLY what I’m looking forward too, instead of concentrating on how to OUTSHINE each other ~ I hope they will really put more effort on creating musics whereby all three can shine together. It is possible! Just listen to JaeChun’s collaboration in – for example, “Colours & Melody”. This is my ALL-TIME favorite!!! Soulmates’ voices just blend with each others so perfectly and both shone equally well in this one. This is what I’m dreaming of seeing in the near future, hopefully, in their next album! Cheers!!!
And Yoochunnie, I hope you know that you are born with a to-die-for voice ~ with a little effort on the technical department and you will be all-ready to shine!!! Love ya!!! 😉
Jaejoong has the voice of an arena rock god, and Junsu has “Sound system? I don’t need no stinkin’ sound system” power and projection (not to mention perfect pitch and control. Yes, I think he deserves #1) But Yoochun’s style of singing is very warm and intimate. He was made for those little clubs with a stage only just big enough for the piano. If I had to choose one of them to sing to me, it would be Yoochun every time.
If you look at the difference between the #10s and the#11, the only real difference is in the “volume” category. It would be interesting to see the rankings if we took the category out and showed some appreciation for the singers meant for a quieter seduction. 😉
“Junsu has “Sound system? I don’t need no stinkin’ sound system” power and projection (not to mention perfect pitch and control.”
…well, let’s not exaggerate.
His voice color can turn.. how’d you say it? “whiny” at times and also he has a problem with his vibrato (sometimes in ballads it’s all over the place).
He’s got a good technique, ABSOLUTELY, and a good and powerful voice, but to say “perfect” is kind of off,.
well, let’s not exaggerate.
Why not? If anyone can take a bit of exaggeration it’s Junsu. 😀
As for your comment, I said he has perfect pitch, this is an actual musical term; he knows how to recognize a true note. This has been confirmed by the other members and I believe some of the musical staff as well. You can see it annoys the hell out of him whenever he misses a note. He also has excellent control at maintaining the pitch and power of a note within his range (I know he struggles with the lower octaves), they don’t tend to trail off unless he wants them to and they stay on pitch (see above). He also has superior phrasing and breath control, I think I’ve only seen him struggle to finish a phrase once (so rare which is why I remembered it. 😀 ) I don’t think any of this is exaggeration.
I didn’t say anything about his vocal techniques (what you call his “colour” and vibrato) which I can find overdone at times and is one of the reasons why Jaejoong and Yoochun knock him down to #3 in my personal ranking. (Unless he happens to be singing at the moment. That’s how I rank them, whoever is singing is #1 😉 )
@Eliza
” (Unless he happens to be singing at the moment. That’s how I rank them, whoever is singing is #1 )”
LOL I loved this, although it doesn’t sound entirely scientific. 🙂
For my money, if I ever run across any nay-sayers regarding Junsu’s prowess, I merely direct them to the song “Beautiful Thing.” This song will tell you everything you need to know about Junsu’s abilities. Beyond it, you need to know little else.
@ Eliza.
Whopsydaisy, I just read it as “Junsu’s voice is perfect, even his pitch and control” and that made me rise eyebrows. My bad, sorry for the misunderstanding.
JS and JJ both have impressively perfect pitches, you could often see it in recording offshots released when they take their notes.
JS’s power is amazing, true. My ear that is also absolute, just finds his voice color disturbing at times (when he goes “whiny”) or when he so very much overdoes the vibrato that the control slips away. But his singing power – yes, I agree, it’s great. Big lungs, that boy! 🙂 I also am, o course, agreeing with your about his weakness in the lower register 🙂
I’m a music teached in high school and I’ve used some Toho- and JYJ songs for my best students. They’re hard to sing! 🙂
(….and then there’s this guy, this lead vocalist, whose voice is so unique that makes it so so so hard to cover their songs!!) 🙂
Exaggeration’s fine, usually 😉 It’s after all JYJ that we all like very much.
Also, a good way to rank people! JYJ Fans Fighting!
@gina
“My ear that is also absolute, just finds his voice color disturbing at times (when he goes “whiny”) or when he so very much overdoes the vibrato that the control slips away.”
Hi, glad you’re with us. 🙂 I was interested in this phrase you used “when he goes whiny” as I haven’t really noticed or been aware of that with Junsu myself. Are there songs you might suggest to me where in your opinion this happens? I’d be interested in checking them out. (I’m also a long-time student of singing and a singer myself of many years.) I’m aware of his vibrato becoming overblown occasionally. The human singing voice is such an amazing thing, isn’t it? I’ve heard it said that it is by far the best way to communicate deeply with others. A speaker of words can often only communicate intellectually but the singing voice connects soul to soul.
I absolutely love Yoochun’s voice too. When he sings all the emotions the song is suppose to carry comes crushing down on you. It’s like you’re watching a movie. The songs have a life of their own. I love the raw edge to his voice. I think he’s underrated most of the time because, sometimes he shows unsteadiness. I’m actually impressed that he’s able to do live concerts so well considering the fact that he’s asthmatic. He does so well I completely forgets, almost all the time, that he’s someone who from time to time depends on meds to breath properly. I’m completely satisfied with his singing ability.
WOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH Is this troll freely roaming JYJ3?
she’s our entertainment. 😉
Thanks to her we don’t have this petty drama going on here anymore lol. GOOD ONE TROLL! NOW KEEP US ENTERTAINED FOOL xD
yeah….. it’s very funny,,, 🙂
so remember about JYJ song “pierrot” LOL
i actually want her to comment here everyday ! poor her , she got too bored at homin fansites ! we welcome her here ! HAHAHA xDDD
she’s clown of the day.
But the clown is turning bitter and rude…….. 😦
awwwwwwww kids will hate him and cry T__________T im crying .. << i really hate clowns since i was young XDDD
She was bitter and rude from the beginning. If she genuinely believes Homin are the superior talent then she can take up her concerns with the vocal trainers who ranked them. WTF? is she doing here. While she is at it she can go troll all the others who also ranked above Homin.
NO BISH JUST BASHED YC…………………. to come on JYJ3 turf and talk bad of JYJ? She is very lucky that she can say those things in front of her commuter….
awwwwwwwwww dont take it to heart dear , shes just a stupid fail troll who’s delusional ! just laugh at her brainless comments ! we all know she’s just a clown and if she was infront of me .. god only knows what im gonna do to her , like u said she’s like to be infront of her computer ^^
IDK whether I should laugh or SMH at that poor confused soul but me thinks two reasons why you are here. You are a JYJ fan trying to just make HM stans look bad or you really are a confused HM stan still trying to make HM stans and yourself look bad. (The latter) Either way buddy you hate HM that much to come here and say this blatant lie about them being better vocalists.
HM: What? Do not overhype us like that. We know our place. We are only good at dance performances and looking good for the camera.
hahaha i so much love ur last sentence !! 😀
thx for the videos !!
@logicgem
see the talent of jyj that dosent compare to homin !!
ummm i think your last sentence is for yunho .. i mean we gotta give changmin some credits for his vocals .. the boy really can sing ^^ *my opinion*
He can sing but he really needs to learn to control his voice. When he hits high notes correctly it sounds great but that doesn’t seem to happen very often because most of the time I cringe. I don’t understand why this is so when he possesses a great range.
CM has a much better vocal range, pitch-accuracy (most of the time), volume, technique and stability compared to YH. So yes, objectively I will agree that he is a very good singer indeed compared to most idol singers. The reason why its not “comfortable” listening to his solos for long periods of time is that there is—–for lack of better terms rather than trying to be denigrating here—–a distinct shrillness/edginess/metallic timbre to his tones or notes. Good examples are the “screaming” parts in Mirotic and Rising Sun where instead of using YC’s warmer falsettos or JJ’s cleaner/rounder high notes, they went with CM’s since it gave the songs an extra edge. However, too much of that and as some fans put it so delicately “your ears start to bleed”. Singing with JYJ was the best thing musically that ever happened to HM since it allowed them to showcase only the best qualities of their voices singing songs that they could not do well singly.
If you look back at TVXQ5/DBSK5/THSK5’s song repertoire in its ENTIRETY in both Korea and Japan since debut, you will find 1 thing that even SM-Avex vocal trainers and production teams agree consistently on. And that is that ALL 3 JYJ members ALWAYS had solo songs since debut compared to the the mere 3-4 each (concert lives recorded) that HM were given by both companies. Those were Company decisions not colored by subjective personal biases like mine (despite too many years of violin and piano) but determined by professional experts hired by both companies to generate the best/most appealing (aka lucrative) signature “sound” for this band.
As an EX-ot5, I will admit that I enjoyed both HM’s past solo parts or their limited solo numbers in very SMALL doses, particularly in concert-performances where I can easily distract myself with the excellent visuals/dancing. Sadly, I have difficulty doing so for their audio-only recordings or for any extended periods of time. Listening to their solos then OR now (and I really do try to be fair and gave them a listen too) —-without the soothing buffering cushion of JYJ harmony to smooth out CM’s shrillness or balance YH’s nasaliness— their voices really start to grate on my nerves (and ears) pretty quickly. Its one thing to enjoy a single solo track but another to be able to tolerate it for the duration of entire album of such. And this is coming from someone who also enjoys her share of rock (alternative, old-school, R&B, hard, metallic, goth) music. And even though CM has improved (either from coaching or simply being forced to since he’s now shouldering > wt of the melody), there is only so much one can change vocally even with the best training. And erasing his unique vocal tone/timbre would be inadvisable since that will make him sound like every other good idol-singer out there.
@livingfree
“CM has a much better vocal range, pitch-accuracy (most of the time), volume, technique and stability compared to YH. So yes, objectively I will agree that he is a very good singer indeed compared to most idol singers. The reason why its not “comfortable” listening to his solos for long periods of time is that there is—–for lack of better terms rather than trying to be denigrating here—–a distinct shrillness/edginess/metallic timbre to his tones or notes.”
I enjoyed reading your analysis and agreed with most of it. I hear real pitch problems with CM anytime I’ve heard him live. Now combining THAT with that metallic shrillness you’re talking about and I literally can not listen to him. He doesn’t appear to have much of an available vibrato, certainly not to the extent of say Junsu or Jae. Since I’ve never been a fan of singers who sing with straight tones, CM would never be a favorite for me, but as I said, the pitch problems are the real deal-breakers for me.
yah, stop it already…she’s gone already and there’re some ot5 lurking around here dear…
*pointing myself*
peace ^^
ps: i haven’t heard the long way daishi dance remix, is that the studio version or a fanmade?
that troll is obviously wrong but to say that about homin is really not right too… haiz never mind…
@thebankofjyj
¡Thanks for these videos dear! I love “Get Ready” 🙂
me too. ❤
YAYAYAY THIS IS THE POWER OF JYJ ^_________^
Junsu is always the best when it comes to vocal skills, but I love JJ’s voice more ^__^ I’m just biased that way.
P/S: Wow, if this one ranking can cause such chaos and butthurt (read some comments above) in the JYJ fandom itself, I can’t imagine how furiously other fandoms are side-eying us ^__________^
For some reason I feel good about it XDDDDD
Why?
Dunno ._. That’s why I said “for some reason”…
WOW!! this post will have alot of comments thx to that troll !! she made a big deal out of something called homins ! *sorry but i dont know them * <.<' some tell the CM is better than yunho and some tell that both of them r not that tallent ! to me i dont know them and i dont even need to know them cuz i love one group and only group called JYJ and im sure that this site belongs to jyj so why u come here to spazz abt homin ! sigh~~ -.-'
you really dont know them ? yunho and changmin the current tvxq? so you’re a new fan of jyj not from db5k days ^__^ and i agree with you ! this troll is just pathitec .. seriously if she wants to spazz about them she should just go to her fellow homin fans -_-
yup i dont know them i only know that they r a memebrs of dbsk ! i knew jyj through kbs drama awards 2010 through there performance of found u ! and so i falled in love with JJ at first and then i started to know about there past ! yes im jyj fan not from db5k fan ! and im so PROUD Of that ! its enough to have JYJ beside me
she’s just too much ! i really feel bad for her for having such a brain !
Happy to see their voices received such passionate responses. This is why we became their fans and are so devoted to them.
If we love JYJ, we have to love all 3, regardless of bias. Anything else must be hurtful to them.
This rating is based on technical vocal issues and surely the judges could not listen to all of the work of all these artists, so they are basing their decisions off limited exposure, surely.
I think that JYJ’s greatest singing ability lies not in their technical ability, but in something more difficult to define. It is what makes them artists. If you listen to Jaejoong’s OST for SungKyunKwan Scandal, they always play his solo at the deepest parts, eliciting deep emotion. It isn’t just expressing emotion in his voice. It is some indefinable quality of his heart and character which are transmitted inside the music.
Yuchun has a similar ability to express pain and at other times tenderness that cannot be technically explained. It comes from who he is, and it is why I am so crazy about him.
Junsu’s vocal abilities overshadow this quality, but he also transmits a hopeful, bright spirit. I can always tell when he has had a major impact on a song because regardless of the words, the song has such a feeling. His solo OST for SungKyunKwan Scandal shows this quality well.
so much agree on your whole opinion. T.T
“If you listen to Jaejoong’s OST for SungKyunKwan Scandal, they always play his solo at the deepest parts, eliciting deep emotion. It isn’t just expressing emotion in his voice. It is some indefinable quality of his heart and character which are transmitted inside the music.”
T.T
i always listen to “empty” live if i want to have a taste of yoochun’s vocal.
@Lisa
““If you listen to Jaejoong’s OST for SungKyunKwan Scandal, they always play his solo at the deepest parts, eliciting deep emotion. It isn’t just expressing emotion in his voice. It is some indefinable quality of his heart and character which are transmitted inside the music.””
Oh, this is so true, Lisa. His depths of emotion are a bottomless well, I’m sure because of who he is and all that he has been through in his life. I feel the same way about his vocal performance on the Legend OST song “Forgive Me.” WHAT a song and what a powerful, heart-rending performance Jae gave here.
Junsu!!!! <3333
i ABSOLUTELY love his voice ^w^
I THINK THEIR 3 VOICES ARE AMAZING, and even I’m biased by YooChunnie! I THINK JS,JJ AND YC Voices are beyond amazing! And they have the ability of make me cry and feel good and rock depending on my mood, there are somedays when I desperately need JJ’s voice to throw up all my anger or my frustration, and then there’s JS’s voice, that always makes me like…fly, and cry while I’m flying XD, cuz it’s soft and powerful at the same time and then, we have YC’s Voice, that can drive CRAZY bc it’s soooo HOT and at the same time in songs like Bolero, or Love in the eyes or even Long way, his soft voice bring me to tears.
Beyond this “OFFICIAL” RANKING, I think each one has their own, and is biased by one of the boys, but the important thing is, we know that THE 3 OF THEM, ARE TRUE TALENT WALKING THIS EARTH, and they are finally being recognized in their country…
SO, Don’t fight for stupid things, because “who’s better than who” is a very personal and endless war, and of course TOTALLY USELESS.
JYJ, is Jaejoong, Yoochun and Junsu and they are AMAZING. PERIOD.
Yes. so the lesson here is, don’t compare. If you love the three of them, don’t compare them to one another. Because the moment u start comparing, all the biasness will come in, and then you know what happens….
what so important with all those rankings?
also… ‘those-bias–comparison- &troll(?))’ comments up there???
seriously….who need those (be Its Official Or Not) rankings..
UNLESS….u don’t believe in them (Yuchun, Junsu, Jaejoong’s abilities)
???what wit my dp???
hahaha…i got many eyes in my brain xD
so much crycry lol
I’m so proud of them! They are AMAZING! Congratulations my dear boys ❤
Congrats to everyone who made it on this list. Being on the list is enough acknowledgment for singing ability. I know everyone loves being a critic but let’s just leave that to the professionals. I don’t see the need to take jabs (yes, that’s what it is) at members in order to one up.
lol this post is a mess… it’s like akp written all over the comment section T-T
Ecstatic that jaebb is getting the recognition that he deserved, which was wayyyyy overdue imo, not surprised that su is first again <3, and pleasantly surprised that chunface is listed as well ^-^/
ano, napagod na yata yung mga nagpapalaparan ng papel… heheheh~
aliw tlga kay~ pag nagpapastress kayo, nakakatawa tlga…. buti nlg tahimik lng kami… heheheheh
buti na lang may clown na dumating, nawawala ang drama !
For me, these type of polls are just ~nice/good to read~. everyone is happy if their bias is included. I’m happy that JYJ gets recognized for their singing ability. I don’t know much about music technicality so somehow this helps.
But at the end of the day, my personal preference is all that matters. ^^
You guys have lots of FUN while I’m sleeping…!!! 😀
JYJ, you really are the BEST/GREAT/AMAZING!
JYJ FANS, Always Dae-to-the-Back!!!
trolls, you really HILARIOUS AND FUNNY!!!
😀
Oh Lord. Can’t we just be happy happy that all 3 have placed on the list at all?
omg.. after i went to sleep last nite, that girl become d REAL troll… awwwwwwww i kind of quite like her at d 1st place but now not so much.. ><
Weeeew .. I am late.. this post is so long but the troll was really funny..
nothing more to add..LOL!! I cant believe there are people with that much guts and ignorance in one body LMAO!
@jenknight
” this post is so long but the troll was really funny..
nothing more to add..LOL!! I cant believe there are people with that much guts and ignorance in one body”
LOL I think we’ve all been taking ninja lessons from YOU! And once again–I just have to wonder about these people who come here spouting nonsense. Do they really, in their WILDEST imaginings, think that any one of us is going to ever agree with them, or abandon JYJ for the siren call (albeit in slightly FLAT tones) of Homin??
Jen, late ka nga! Ako, napagod sa mga palaparan ng papel ng mga nandito (gusto ko na ngang sabihan ng “magtag-iisa kaya kayo ng tinidor no???? heheheh), tapos biglang eto yung troll tapos pinatawa ako!
Grabe! talagang itaas ang lebel ng Homin sa pagkanta? Hala ano ito? NGEBS??? hehhehehhe~
i dun care abt anything/pple… i’m just so happy that all the boys are on the list… and it’s their vocal that’s been ranked and not others… i think we should put the 3 as jyj first before seeing them as individual… without anyone of them, there will not be jyj…
Oh…crap! I need to go 1 kilometer to the top to be able to see my comments again….LOL. There have been so many bad remarks here.
Admin has been working so hard supervising them. I find the trolls amusing. So, they have their own opinions and bad intentions. Their comments were meant for some wars. Congrats to admin with such quick responses.
I practically never care much of what scores Jaejoong, Yoochun & Junsu have resulted. And I don’t care if others dislike JYJ. I love JYJ and love listening to their songs. I even love Jae’s voice and have it as my ringtone……the sexy tone….
Btw….can anyone submit the full details? I would like to see who are ‘better’ in the list. Gomawo….
do you mean this one?
[CHART] Male Idols with Singing Abillity (BEST 17) By Korean Vocal Coach
1. JYJ JunSu (Tone: 8.5, Treble: 4, Skills: 4, Volume: 4, Expressiveness – 8.5, Total: 29.5)
2. PARAN Ace (Tone: 8, Treble: 5, Skills: 4, Volume: 4.5, Expressiveness – 7, Total: 28.5)
JYJ JaeJoong (Tone: 7.5, Treble: 4.5, Skills: 4, Volume: 5, Expressiveness – 7.5, Total: 28.5)
3. BigBang TaeYang (Tone: 8.5, Treble: 3, Skills: 4, Volume: 3.5, Expressiveness – 8.5, Total: 27.5)
4. FT Island HongKi (Tone: 9, Treble: 3.5, Skills: 3, Volume: 4, Expressiveness – 7, Total: 26.5)
2AM ChangMin (Tone: 6, Treble: 5, Skills: 4.5, Volume: 4, Expressiveness – 7, Total: 26.5)
SHINee JongHyun (Tone: 7, Treble: 5, Skills: 4, Volume: 4, Expressiveness – 6.5, Total: 26.5)
5. CNBLUE YongHwa (Tone: 7.5, Treble: 3.5, Skills: 3.5,Volume: 4,Expressiveness – 7, Total: 25.5)
MBLAQ G.O (Tone: 7, Treble: 4, Skills: 4, Volume: 3.5, Expressiveness – 7, Total: 25.5)
6. SHINee Onew (Tone: 8.5, Treble: 3, Skills: 3, Volume: 3.5, Expressiveness – 7, Total: 25)
7. SS501 YoungSaeng (Tone: 7.5,Treble: 4, Skills: 3.5,Vol : 3.5, Expressiveness– 6, Total: 24.5)
KyuHyun (Tone: 8,Treble: 3, Skills: 3.5,Volume: 3.5,Expressiveness – 6.5, Total: 24.5)
YeSung (Tone: 7,Treble: 3.5,Skills: 3.5,Volume: 3.5,Expressiveness – 7, Total: 24.5)
8. 2AM JoKwon (Tone: 6, Treble: 3.5, Skills: 4, Volume: 3, Expressiveness – 7.5, Total: 24)
9. RyeoWook Suju (Tone: 7.5, Treble: 3.5,Skills: 3, Volume: 3,Expressiveness – 6.5, Total: 23.5)
10. DBSK ChangMin (Tone: 5, Treble: 5, Skills: 3, Volume: 5, Expressiveness – 5, Total: 23)
U-Kiss SooHyun (Tone: 6, Treble: 4, Skills: 3, Volume: 4, Expressiveness – 6, Total: 23)
BEAST YoSeob (Tone: 6.5, Treble: 3.5, Skills: 3, Volume: 4, Expressiveness – 6, Total: 23)
11. JYJ YooChun (Tone: 6.5, Treble: 3.5, Skills: 3.5, Volume: 3, Expressiveness – 6, Total: 22.5)
CNBLUE JongHyun (Tone: 8, Treble: 2.5, Skills: 3, Vol: 2.5, Expressiveness – 6.5, Total: 22.5)
2PM JunSu (Tone: 6, Treble: 3.5, Skills: 3.5, Volume: 3.5, Expressiveness – 5.5, Total: 22.5)
12. DaeSung (Tone: 6, Treble: 3.5, Skills: 2.5, Volume: 4, Expressiveness – 5.5, Total: 21.5)
B1A4 SanDeul (Tone: 6, Treble: 3.5, Skills: 3, Volume: 3.5, Expressiveness – 5.5, Total: 21.5)
2AM Seulong (Tone: 7, Treble: 3.5, Skills: 3, Volume: 3, Expressiveness – 5, Total: 21.5)
13. SungMin Suju (Tone: 6, Treble: 3, Skills: 3, Volume: 3, Expressiveness – 5.5, Total: 20.5)
14. SHINee TaeMin (Tone: 7.5, Treble: 2.5, Skills: 2.5, Volume: 2, Expressiveness – 5, Total: 19.5)
15. TEENTOP Niel (Tone: 6, Treble: 2.5, Skills: 3, Volume: 2.5, Expressiveness – 5, Total: 19)
16. DBSK YunHo (Tone: 4, Treble: 3, Skills: 2.5, Volume: 3, Expressiveness – 3.5, Total: 16)
2AM JinWoon (Tone: 6, Treble: 2, Skills: 2, Volume: 2, Expressiveness – 4, Total: 16)
SHINee Key (Tone: 4, Treble: 3, Skills: 2.5, Volume: 3, Expressiveness – 3.5, Total: 16)
17. BigBang SeungRi (Tone: 5, Treble: 1, Skills: 2, Volume: 2, Expressiveness – 3, Total: 13)
the most agreeable ranking. more less one two points are not a problem at all, I love each marks that be given to them, JYJ FIGHTING!
love them with their own distinctive tallents, they complete each other, end of story…peace guys…
@popo Are you the Admin of yeppopo.wodpress.com?
I can definitely tell that you are YG biased. Your blog’s contents are all about k-pop but I see that especially for JYJ news, your blog is really really unupdate. It is so unfair to those who just CAN read Indonesian blog and want to know more about JYJ. Most of your JYJ news are just tagged with other idol groups, such as POLLING.
I know that your are YG biased, and of course it dosn’t matter, BUT… surely you have to balance on writing articles about all k-pop idols,especially the populer one. I am saying this because your blog isn’t dedicated for YG only (I found many of your articles write about SM groups),unlike JYJ3 that exist for supporting JYJ ONLY. We are all happy for Bigbang’s victory @MTVEMA but none of your articles write about JYJ’s success concert in Berlin…I am totally can’t accept this. All I want to say is BE FAIR PLEASE.
No offense, but PLEASE don’t comment in JYJ3 as if JYJ3 isn’t fair because you are the one who do that…
Correct me if I’m wrong…
LOL at some comments above…some of the comments are really funny…saying JYJ cant sing is like a total joke…but i guess since this is a jyj site when a stan come bashing down on jyj..and some fans will retaliate by bashing back on homin in the same way…but nonetheless i think all db5k members are great at singing and is kinda hard to rank them…but i am so happy that junsu and jaejoong are first two!!!(=
reading comments above n kinda lit bit fan war make me want to laugh coz come one sista JYJ may be even wont bother with that rank , n im just an ordinary noona n i dont understand bout tone, treble or whataever the rank categorize but i only understand this :
1. i love Junsu love because its so amazing n no one cant deny that he’s the best singer in SK, but i do reallize that when he sing very low note his voice kinda shaky n yes he can hit the high pitch but not powerfull as JJ, bout technique of course he’s the best since he’s the longest to get train back then, n yes even my bias is JJ but i must admit that Junsu Voice Superb.
2. Now let me explain why i love JJ voice, since the first time i hear his voice i got smitted , his voice may be not as good as now but i must admit that his voice day by day, n yes for ability to reach high pitch note he’s better than Junsu n when he reach low tone more stable than Junsu, n since the DBSK era his voice whose make the harmony , even Junsu said it by self when they both got inteviewed, Junsu said because of JJ very different from others but it is his voice tied the other ro blend well, n i like JJ voice especially cos he can sing any genre music esp Rock, in DBSk era Chang MIng prefer the high note but JJ with easily can reach high note like Chang MIng so For me JJ voice Superb Duper.
3. Micky voice totally beautiful, its like when i hear his voice like he is seduce me hahhahaha but really his voice very romantic n even he hav baritone voice but he can reach high note too , u guys im sure already watch DBSK mv or listen their live right , now i always wonder why in ballad JJ, Junsu n Micky always have this epic line , u know when these three sing high note , i mean why not JJ, Junsu n Chang Ming ?, i dont mean to bashed Chang Ming but we must admitt that Chang Ming indeed hav a great voice but its like no soul in his voice , when he sing high note its like he just scream very different from JYJ , when JYJ sing high note its very beautifull.
Im sorry if my opinion offense anyone, well im not professional training , i just try to explain whats my ear caugh . . . anyone whos in the rank i think they deserve , n no matter high or below the rank whhy should we care , what matter is our JYJ in the list . . . im happy n satiesfield with the rank . . . no matter JYJ no 1 or 2 or even in bottom rank.
For me JYJ voice are amazing n im happy that i can listen to these amazing voice, for me they all are Angelic Voice, n yes JYJ wont exist without the other voice, their voices beautiful when together.
Sorry if my commecnt too long heehehehe . . n plz dont take everything too seriously, JYJ wont bother with that kind rank all what matter for then is to produce a good music for ther fans n let everyone know n listen their music . . .
Peace
Yes, you’re right, ranking or not ranking, I will forever love to listen to JYJ’s voices, solo, duet, trio, even if they just hum, or sing lalalalala, it’s still very beautiful to my ears.
so true . . i dont give a damn for that kind rank . . JYJ voices always special to me , Junsu JJ Yoochun . .they all hav unique voice n not fair to compare since they have different voice.
why dont we enjoy JYJ voice without thinking bout rank or whatever like that.
For TROLL above …
OMO this vid is EPIC! XD
HoMin seem to be singing off-key. Maybe it’s just me.
@RainieNight
“HoMin seem to be singing off-key. Maybe it’s just me. :/”
Well, no…. it’s not you. It’s them. This is what they do, live, without auto-tune. This is why I say that no one can seriously say that Homin are “as good as JYJ” let alone “great” as so many of their fans never get tired of yelling at the top of their lungs. The REALITY, I’m actually very sorry to say, is somewhat different. They cannot seem to sing on pitch live. That automatically excludes them from any sort of GREAT! category and in most unbiased listeners’ minds puts them in the “not really all that good at all” category.
¡OMG! ¡I dare to say YH can’t sing at all!! In fact, reminding of many TVXQ famous songs, YH never has sung a solo; his parts are almost raps and if he sings is just for a few seconds (if I’m not wrong, his best song is “Bolero”). ¡The man can’t sing! That makes me wonder; ¿why does SM chose him to be a part of TVXQ? ¿Only for his dancing skills? ¿Because of how he looks? That’s why SM wanted to fire him later, but golden hearted Jaejoong begged and cried them to let YH stay. ¡Life issues! ¡To think how YH has mistreated JJ nowadays! ¡Incredibly ungrateful! 😦
@shuheilove
“OMG! ¡I dare to say YH can’t sing at all!! In fact, reminding of many TVXQ famous songs, YH never has sung a solo; his parts are almost raps and if he sings is just for a few seconds ”
*Sigh* Really, I should know better. You just CAN NOT speak the truth to these ultra-fans of TVX2 you just CAN’T do it! They will not hear of it, they are mired deep in their particular fantasies and they will not budge from there. It’s very discouraging to me that I now have to pretend along with people who have just about zero practical knowledge of singing here on JYJ3 of all places, sort of the last refuge of people who are fans of the considerable vocal skills of JYJ. And it’s not that I hate Homin! I DON’T! How many times do I have to say that I think they were valuable members of TVXQ5 because they functioned well in the capacity of back-up singers to the 3 main vocalists and had excellent skills as dancers. They were also personable and very attractive. But it doesn’t matter how many times I say these things because what I will not say is that they are talented technical singers, well qualified to carry on the legacy of the name TVXQ because in my opinion, they just aren’t.
@Lili, dear
No, they are not qualified to carry the name “TVXQ” over their shoulders. It’s really sad 😦
both are good to me(=
@bubsbubsoohlala
“both are good to me(=”
Well, then I might just say, and I say this respectfully, that you may not be able to differentiate pitch well. Many thousands of people can’t. Many more are simply tone deaf. Can you sing on key? That’s often a good indication of whether you are able to discern pitch correctly. It’s a specialized talent, no question. A few musicians and singers are said to have “perfect pitch” which means that they can absolutely tell when a note is even a fraction sharp or flat. It doesn’t of course mean they never sing sharp or flat, it’s just that they really know it when they do.
Both YH & CM are singing significantly and consistently off pitch in that video. See if you can tell the difference with JYJ’s version. Beyond that, they are singing hesitantly, like they are not sure of themselves and their performance.
JYJ on the other hand are standing with their feet planted on the ground singing strongly, like they mean it. That’s the difference between the two groups.
i get it…this is a jyj site…i don’t care who is better, instead of comparing and finding fault in another to prove one is better…i am just going to appreciate jyj singing as it is..with no hate(=
@ilibaiyu
I have to agree with you. I think that out of all 5, JS probably has the closest to absolute perfect pitch and the rest have varying degrees of relative perfect pitch. In the above video, HM seems really lost and unsure of their pitch without the other 3 to set their external pitch reference. Sadly, they really did go off-tune quite a bit throughout the entire segment. Perhaps I was overly gentle in my previous estimation of their vocal prowess since my judgment is clearly influenced by my past affection for their history with JYJ.
Some of our JYJ3 members here also recently shed some great insight into the differences between our 3 boys’ vocal impressions—–and I honestly can’t recall who so I can give proper credit to them for their words—but the gist of it being that 1)YC’s tone has a intimacy that make you feel that he’s singing/speaking just to you and it has the ability to make me feel wonderfully warm or wistfully melancholy
2)JS basically speaks through the songs or he “drives” the songs with his incredible voice and projects himself /his raw emotions through the lyrics so when he sings, the singer takes center stage. Add these with his charisma and confidence, you tend to notice him (the singer) before the songs.
3) In contrast for JJ, the songs speak through him via the way he interprets each note/tone/rhythm/word to communicate the story or mood of the songs through his singing. Even though you are aware of the gorgeous beauty of his voice, the songs takes center stage and at times, you feel him more as a narrator communicating the storyline through the musical language of the songs. Not sure how much of this is tied in with his lack of confidence in his own vocal talent.
And when they come together—–sheer HEAVEN for our ears.
@livingfree
What a great yet very personal summation of the guys’ various roles, strengths and contributions within JYJ. I loved reading what you wrote. These three really are magic together because each is so distinctive and wonderful on their own. How miraculous it was that this core unit was brave and resolute enough to have left SM and become JYJ.
Thanks, @ilibaiyu
Its actually much easier to take apart their vocal qualities and critique them clinically. However, whenever I listen to the JYJ boys, emotions always take over and all rational thoughts fly out of the windows.
I just know what/how they make me feel——the way YC’s voice never fails to stir me nor wrap me in a blanket of warmth, sensuality (coughcough) or melancholia, the way JS uses music/songs as his instrument to communicate his feelings & thoughts (remember the Thanksgivings Live @ Tokyo Dome concert where he confessed that if he couldn’t live without singing and will probably sing till the end of his life?) VS the way JJ allows his voice to be used as the instrument-language that the music/songs are channeled-expressed through.
JYJ might not be absolute perfection (if there is such a thing scientifically) but they’re the closest thing to Magic for my auditory senses. Initially, it was distressingly bewildering for me to realize that their music makes me smile since I’ve never been into boy/girl/idol bands (Western or Asian). Their looks are a bonus or (most pleasant) distraction but once you throw in their positive personalities and strength of character, I’m a goner and there is no going back. Ever.
@livingfree
“I just know what/how they make me feel——the way YC’s voice never fails to stir me nor wrap me in a blanket of warmth, sensuality (coughcough) or melancholia, the way JS uses music/songs as his instrument to communicate his feelings & thoughts (remember the Thanksgivings Live @ Tokyo Dome concert where he confessed that if he couldn’t live without singing and will probably sing till the end of his life?) VS the way JJ allows his voice to be used as the instrument-”
Oh, me too–to your entire post. It’s funny, because as I was out doing errands today I hit a horrible (although expected) L.A. traffic jam and sat virtually stopped in traffic for an extra 20 minutes or so. While idling, I listened to “Shelter” and “You Are So Beautiful” among other tracks. (I make compilation discs to listen to in the car) As many times as I’ve heard them, I was thrilled and engrossed sonically and in their individual performances just like the first time. As you may know, I spent decades of my life in the recording studio both getting great performances from singers I’d hired and in giving the best performances I could as a singer myself. I do know what it takes to make a memorable performance and in a way, this makes my appreciation for the artistry of JYJ that much more intense.
I have to give HoMin credits for their courage to sing this song. But they sound AWFUL.
I love all the old TVXQ/DBSK songs with the exception of the two solo songs of HoMin they sang in Secret Code. In fact I removed the two songs right away from my IPod after listening to them just once. HoMin were not bad as backup singers and I sometimes missed CM’s climax pitch. But they are very far from being OK as main vocalists. Trust me. all dear HoMin fans. I am being totally objective here.
I’ve heard that they’ve improved a great deal. But judging from this clip, I must have heard wrong.
Btw, can someone tell me what is the problem with CM? I can understand YH’s problem. YH’s voice is obviously too weak to be a professional singer. But what is wrong with CM? His voice is not so bad and he has a big vocal range. What has he learnt in the past 10 (or 9) years? A high school kid with an average voice can sing better than he does in the clip.
I am actually a bit upset after watching the clip. I used to be very fond of CM. He was so cute and he was close to JJ. At this moment I so want to shout at him: Wake Up!! Are you deaf to your own voice????
*sigh and return to my JYJ*
WOW… now you can see the HUGE difference here..
poor homin… LOL
JYJ is too damn GOOD…
JYJ is dae-to-the-bak!!
this video! so epic!lmao! i c a floating chunface!!<3
@ChunCrazyWife
WOW! great material. Should be ENOUGH to set the record straight! ATTENTION: logicgem, Hope your senses will lead you to acceptance, it’s never too late to accept the truth – TRUTH will set you free – go choose it – Peace and Joy to you!
Thanks ChunCrazyWife 🙂
I find this list super sketchy!
At first this list seemed legit, I was drawn by the rankings JYJ got, its about time all 3 were recognized for their vocal ability.
But as you go down the list, you start to wonder.
I mean sungmin???wtf? Are they serious.
Taeyang higher then Daesung? really? they should be equal if anything, they probably forgot to put his name on the #3 spot
Yunho-time should not even be on the list, come on his vocal skills is like ke$ha, not quite singing not quite talking….(even in DBSK days he wasn’t all that)
Super junior KRY should have been top 5
I love Seungri and his voice is better than Yunho but does he deserve to be on this list?
It’s hard to give my opinion on the rest of these idols since I don’t know their vocal skills…and dont really care to, but more credibility is lost by the fact that 10 out of the 17 listed are SM artists. I didn’t know that so many of their idols were “talented”.
@Yoosu
“I find this list super sketchy!
At first this list seemed legit, I was drawn by the rankings JYJ got, its about time all 3 were recognized for their vocal ability. But as you go down the list, you start to wonder.”
Yes, you raise an extremely valid point. Any ranking by “vocal coaches” that has Yunho on it would have to be seriously questioned. And PLEASE OT5 people, I’m not saying he’s without talent as an entertainer! He’s apparently vastly entertaining to many many of his fans. All I’m saying is that technically, as a singer, he should rightly be at the bottom of the Hot Hundred Best Singers In Korea.
@Lili
You’re right my dear, as you should be. 😉 And I definitely sing ON KEY. 🙂
i agree with the sketchy thing. i’m sorry if someone has said this before, but it was said in certain forum *cough, i swear i went to that forum from google, lol*, that this list is not legitimate enough because this list is only done by one person in DC inside, is it true? i tried to open the nate link but my slow connection won’t allow me. haha.
oh yeah, when i searched this poll, you know how usually akp and other kpop sites always feature this kind of thing, but i’m a bit surprised that none feature this except jyj/dbsk fansite. i’m sorry if this comment is not right. as much as i love junsu-jaejoong secure top 2, i still found it weird to see daesung that low (i prefer daesung anytime but i’m not surprised to see taeyang over him because Korean have so much biased towards taeyang’s vocal, kke) and taemin that high (man, taemin on the list is actually weird enough. sorry taemin’s fan, i believe he’ll be better after japan’s debut, but right now his voice is still too raw). and no infinite’s sunggyu or jay park (he still considered as idol, right?) while there’re some questionable person here is another thing that bug me.
so yeah, let’s say that i only view this list as an opinion of certain person and i agree with some of his/her point.
I read all the comments and had a good time laughing at some, especially Lilibaiyuy’s and Butterfliesarefree’s.You both can be so cleverly funny. The others are equally entertaining and inspiring. And I feel sorry for one non JYJ fan who sounded pretty angry.
But how does a new fan view them?Let me speak as someone without a musical bone in my body. So please don’t crucify me as I can only speak as a layman who listens and responds to music as any layman would. Technical jargons like color, volume, tone etc are all Greek to me.Not music..
1) I have always disliked Korean boy bands ( yes, I switch to other TV channels the moment they appear on screen as they look like packaged ,pretty dancing boys to me, not singers) until I discovered DBSK through Yu Chun who won me over in the drama SKKS last year.
2) I was stunned by DBSK when I first saw the live performances of ” Why do I fall in love with you?”, ‘Love in Ice” and ” I beleve”.
.and put aside my bias against boy bands for the first time in my life. Which cave was I living in all those years DBSK was in existence?
3) What struck me IMMEDIATELY were:
a) this singer on the extreme left (I later found out his name is Junsu).He has that unique, raspy emotive voice that stirred my heart. I couldn’t get over that “love at first hearing ” of his voice. If I have to marry a voice, I would marry his after our first date.
Since that day. I have been listening to his “Beautiful Thing” daily. O , he has a sunny disposition that I find adorable.
b) the manga good looks of the singer in the middle ( found out later his name is Jae Joong) hit me direct bewteen the eyes. How can a real guy look so unreal? Did he sculpt his face to win over the Japanese manga fans? It was only after the initial shock of his looks that I realised this guy has a beautiful voice with a wide range. What I loved was the clear timbre in his voice.So clear, that I can even hear the “vibrations” as he sang with so much emotion. I was deeply impressed that this boy can sing ballads as well as rock. But I felt his good looks can be distracting. Making viewers lose focus on his voice.
3) Ah! Yu Chun ,my beloved SKKS actor.Can he deliver as a singer ? Unlike Junsu and JaeJoong whose voices pulsate with a lot of emotion , I found Yu Chun’s soft, smooth .rounded, soothing voice very mesmerising. It is a voice that accompanies me every night when I sleep , with my MP 3 plugged into my ears. His voice that sweeps over my soul and makes me feel good.So good, I forget about the cares in this world. And that deep, sexy, manly drawl in “I believe” he sang in 2004.. How can an 18 year old sound so unbelievably sexy? I was also stunned by his high notes in ” Bolerio” and “Love in Ice”. How did he manage that with a low voice quality?
4) I looked at the remaining two singers and thought ” H’mmm , one boy can hit high notes and the other can dance well. Not bad back up team mates.” I apologise if I offend any Homin fan reading this..But remember, I am just a layman with no music background and I honestly thought those two were back ups..I am but one of the multitudes who would buy my favourite group’s DVD , no matter what the professionals say.
So you can imagine my joy when I discovered the three guys who impressed me the most in DBSK had become a new group,JYJ. Imagine my grief if the combination were otherwise and one of my favourite three had remained behind.
So the ranking by the professionals in putting Junsu and JaeJoong in top positions , is no big surprise as laymen like me have similar response to talent in music.Even if none of the 3 boys is placed, would it have made a difference in my love for JYJ?
Everyone here knows my answer.
@Hottie
So spot on, my Jr. VE Sister. 🙂
“Imagine my grief if the combination were otherwise and one of my favourite three had remained behind.”
yup.
@lilibaiyu Is is really to that extent? I suppose they take your posts very seriously to an unusual degree O~o
@Claudelle
“Is is really to that extent? I suppose they take your posts very seriously to an unusual degree”
Ask Daisy. She’s got all the details about these places. The whole thing just makes me tired.
@Hottie
HOTTIE!! You’re BACK!! Thank goodness. I need an appointment with you right away for some intensive therapy. I’ve been feeling this unexplained paranoia, like there are lurkers on the JYJ3 who copy my posts and share them on Homin sites and then they all engage in a Hatefest with ME rotating on the spit over a blazing fire!
Help!
What????? LMAO…………………………………………………… They really do that? I wonder if they do that to all comments posted here. Must be closet JYJ fans to be stalking this site THAT regularly lol
@thebankofjyj
” They really do that? I wonder if they do that to all comments posted here. Must be closet JYJ fans to be stalking this site THAT regularly lol”
Oh, my yes. Just ask Daisy. She seems to have the very latest, up-to-the-minute doings on the TVX2 sites. And, so she advises me, its officially open season on lilibaiyu.
🙂
@LILI
can you believe that? you have ANTI-FANS! That only means you have too right? heheheh~ ^____~
But seriously, when I read what was “said” here by the posters above, it made me think there’s a SPY amongst us… BEWARE KIDS!!! Very dangerous when one is posing to be one of you in YOUR OWN HOME… *shivers*
***you HAVE FANS TOO, right? (is what I meant… hahahha)
@sam-sam
“But seriously, when I read what was “said” here by the posters above, it made me think there’s a SPY amongst us… BEWARE KIDS!!! Very dangerous when one is posing to be one of you in YOUR OWN HOME…”
Oh, I know. *Sigh* I’ve known for a while now but what can you do? Wait till they can’t keep from posting something *kind of obvious* I guess. Really, I wish they would just declare JYJ3 a Lost Cause, a No-Man’s Land for The Criminally Insane and leave us alone. Can’t we have ONE PLACE where it’s just us???
@Lili
It IS terrible isnt it?
They hate us that much that they need to monitor us like it was WWII again…
It’s very SAD too… Being a FAN is supposed to be FUN, but just bec of circumstances (difference of opinions, mainly…) we’ve now brought FANDOM to a whole new level… a VERY UGLY level of conspiracies, bickering, dissing, and all the nastiness anyone can imagine….
I’m sure JYJ is aware of how the fandom is now and I know they’re saddened by it, but it hit me hard when Junsu said they felt down when they were told they have lesser number of fans. That’s a real heart-breaker for any established artist. It’s not like they have less fans now, they just have a broader market to cater to… If only we can tell them that…
And while MOST OF US here at JYJ3 are just trying to make a HOME for JYJ fans only, OTHER people still try and destroy the peace by creating confusion and disarray… For me, it’s something retarded. But humans are susceptible to doing that, being envious of the good things that they dont have. So what we’re seeing here is sorta like the proof of a social experiment huh?
(I wouldve posted this like 30mins ago if I werent at work, and MY WORK is not interfering w/ my business w/ JYJ3 & JYJ… Work sucks… >.>””)
@sam-sam
“And while MOST OF US here at JYJ3 are just trying to make a HOME for JYJ fans only, OTHER people still try and destroy the peace by creating confusion and disarray… For me, it’s something retarded. But humans are susceptible to doing that, being envious of the good things that they dont have. So what we’re seeing here is sorta like the proof of a social experiment huh?”
My thing is, there are so many more places for the Homin fans to go, there are any number of places where they can go and be happy, enjoy getting to know others of like mind and spazz endlessly about their favorites. All we have is JYJ3. This is our little corner of the globe. Why do they have to come here, spy and either make trouble for us, insult us, incite arguments and generally try to mess with our very good thing? We all value JYJ3 so much. We love it here and we love the people who post regularly. Is it so unacceptable for us to have our one undisturbed place?
That I cant find an explanation for… we can assume that it’s bec of envy.
Envy is something inherent in all of us, but I can control mine. It just seems that THEY can’t.
@sam-sam
“That I cant find an explanation for… we can assume that it’s bec of envy. Envy is something inherent in all of us, but I can control mine. It just seems that THEY can’t.”
Well, once I’ve calmed down (the Irish temper, you know) I have to say that is must be a very chilly time to be a Homin fan, all SM’s flailing and money-lavished productions to the contrary. Yes, they’ve received spectacular production values on their conspicuously FEW recorded tracks. (If I live to be a hundred i will never understand the attractions of the “mini-album” among fans. Here in the U.S. when artists go to do their albums, there is usually major in-fighting about whose songs make the cut for the album – there are only 12 slots typically and there are more often than not WAY more songs demanding consideration.) But fine, mini-albums mean cost cutting for the entertainment agencies; silly me thinking there were artist/songwriters involved in the decision. Homin’s videos, too are awash with big ticket stylishness. They look BEAUTIFUL, other-worldly even and gosh darn it, you can’t find a single fault with their dancing, no how, no way.
So where’s the ‘chill’ then, lilibaiyu, you may be asking? Just behind the scenes, I would suggest. The ‘chill’ happens when you realize that this singing group, this legacy-bearer of the biggest Idol group to ever come out of Asia can’t sing on pitch, they know it, and they look a whole lot like they know it. These two are professionals–they know good from bad. They’ve been doing it a long time. And they ARE trying, you can see that. But you can’t turn a Yunho into a Junsu with fevered fan-love and heartfelt slogans. God knows at this point I wish you could! Among the more mature fans, among the more perceptive ones, I think reality may be dawning on them. And that’s, I’m guessing, where the ‘chill’ comes in.
I know…
Think abt this too… Even after a full length Korean album & a full-length Japanese album, this TVXQ2 has not had a MAJOR concert tour for both albums (not in Korea, not in Japan). Isnt that worrisome? What HM has been doing is to appear on ANY possible music/variety show, do concerts w/ their FAMILY, but NO SOLO CONCERT!
This in itself is the biggest tell-tale sign where this TVXQ is going… I dont know if you’ve seen the fanvid of their special mini-concert in a certain Amusement park, where they weren’t even able to fill the first and second audience sections (and this happened just after their release of WHY). But when I saw that, I went… OH MY GOD. This IS NOT GOOD.
They may have garnered new fans, yes, but their loss of the majority of the original Korean Cassiopeia, is a MAJOR blow in so many ways.
So, maybe that’s why now we can see WHY these HM fans are trying to ruin what they can just to lessen the pain they are bracing themselves for.
@sam-sam
“I know…Think abt this too… Even after a full length Korean album & a full-length Japanese album, this TVXQ2 has not had a MAJOR concert tour for both albums (not in Korea, not in Japan). Isnt that worrisome? What HM has been doing is to appear on ANY possible music/variety show, do concerts w/ their FAMILY, but NO SOLO CONCERT!”
True enough. And I wonder, don’t their fans wonder about that? WHY might that be? When I see what they are doing now, all of these ‘SMTown’ variety shows, only one word comes to my mind–Demotion. They have been demoted on the SM roster to where all the other mid-level acts are. To say that it must be humiliating to have once been the superstars of the roster and now be reduced to doing three songs in a field of 5 other acts… well, I feel for them. Add to this that SM will use them for leverage against JYJ and discard them when it suits them and it can’t be a happy time for them.
@lilibaiyu
“Is it so unacceptable for us to have our one undisturbed place?”
“Can’t we have one place where it’s just us?”
IKR?? I don’t want to make OT5er’s feel unwelcome, or suppress anyone’s freedom of speech, BUT there are some days when I really wish some people would pay more attention too & respect the house rules.
It’s a sad story… I know HM knows where they are at right now… Kinda makes me think abt CM’s refusal to give any message of sort to his hyung… It’s just my thoughts though… Maybe he’s thinking what their fans are thinking… JYJ is getting success anywhere they go, out of a company they detest and having the artistic and financial freedom all five of them longed for.
But you only get now the results of your decisions before, so if I can pat CM on the head right now or hug him just to comfort him, I’d do that… But I dont think he’d allow me to do that… I’m not Jaejoong-hyung afterall… heheh~ (you can tell I like JaeMin huh?)
@sam-sam
“But you only get now the results of your decisions before, so if I can pat CM on the head right now or hug him just to comfort him, I’d do that…”
If I met him belatedly at this point I don’t know what I would say to him. I would say to him I’m sorry. I would say to him I wish it could have been different. I wish he could have trusted his Hyungs more. Beyond that, I just don’t know…
@ lilibaiyu
that means you’re that AWESOME !
@meme & JYJ
“that means you’re that AWESOME !”
lol I’m thinkin’ that isn’t exactly what the consensus is…
🙂
@ lilibaiyu
at least you are famous now but just be careful with your stalker sis ^^
well some people can’t handle the awesomeness of JYJ and their fans (˘⌣˘) can’t be helped .
My dear VE Sister…you have to learn to not give ‘a flying f**k’. If they think you are awesome enough to stalk, then look upon it as envy as Sammie says. Their feeble little minds were developmentally arrested quite a while ago, and there really isn’t anything anyone can do about it. But still express yourself when the mood strikes you. It’s good for the soul. 😉
@BAFfie
“My dear VE Sister…you have to learn to not give ‘a flying f**k’. If they think you are awesome enough to stalk, then look upon it as envy as Sammie says.”
Well, I know that at least I can always count on my V.E. sister to have my back. 🙂 And I do appreciate it, I hope I tell you enough. And it’s not that the worrisome Homin lurkers will dissuade me from speaking my mind, because that will only happen several minutes after my actual demise. lol I think that one of the shining, platinum gilded benefits of being a JYJ3 family member is that we are all allowed to speak our minds. We are all friends here–we trust each other.
People who show up out of nowhere, start complaining, start making personal attacks–they show themselves instantly as who they are. Those others who may have just not commented before but who finally muster courage and do… they also are identified as welcome new members of a remarkably happy and convivial community of JYJ fans.
@Lili
“Well, I know that at least I can always count on my V.E. sister to have my back. And I do appreciate it, I hope I tell you enough. ”
As long as you know that, I’m satisfied. 🙂
@lilibaiyu
Really?
I always love your post, thus I am a fan of yours 🙂
But having anti-fans?
That shows also your star quality, right? Like our beloved JYJ, having anti-fans out there—even visiting us here, hehehe – the nerve!
Well, take heart – your comments surely made so much impact to them [its effortful to copy and paste, and feast on their “hate” on it, geeeez] , unfortunately, they don’t have the strength and courage to ACCEPT, poor them 😦
stuck and sulking in their limited corners…
That’s all they can afford to do – “hatefest” – so,so, so pitiful them 😦
But, we don’t take them seriously right, coz like JYJ, we share love,love, love and happiness to everyone!
Peace and joy to you! 🙂
@jyj1214
“Really? I always love your post, thus I am a fan of yours But having anti-fans? That shows also your star quality, right? Like our beloved JYJ, having anti-fans out there—even visiting us here, hehehe – the nerve!”
Yes, these’s seemingly no end to the nerve of some people who come here–obviously unhappy and offended at the content among List members, ready to point fingers and disclose unfriendly things like that. They’re passive-aggressive and defensive to one and all and yet, they STAY, looking for further opportunities to create distension, I suppose.
Well, to the hidden (and not so hidden) Problem People — fine. Go ahead and continue to monitor and share my posts. If you really think anything I’ve written is so subversive and controversial as to need to be taken away and re-hashed elsewhere (which is reasonably chickenshit of you, don’t you think?) be my guest. Enjoy!
@lilibaiyu
Peace to you 🙂
I work as a university counselor and lately I’ve been so stressed dealing with “borderline” clients. Seriously i can manage bipolar and clinically depressive clients better than those with borderline personality disorder [BPD]….And literature reveals that BPD’s are challenging for both psychotherapy and psychiatric treatment ;-(
Hmmmm, I may sound very judgmental here- which goes against my profession, but I am not a counselor right now. I am ME – JYJ fan at the moment. But I can sense symptoms of BPD among some “trolls” around… the best is just to ignore… they lacked insight after all, and are too stuck [narcissism] in their own world…:-(
So let them be…and continue with what you’re doing. You have our support, my support! We support, care, share hugs, pat shoulders of each other in this universal family right. This is what I love about JYJ3. We love even in our diversty. Afterall, love is universal 🙂
P.S. sorry if i’m offending anyone
@jyj1214
” But I can sense symptoms of BPD among some “trolls” around… the best is just to ignore… they lacked insight after all, and are too stuck [narcissism] in their own world…:-(”
Yes, I’m finished “dialogue-ing” with that person. There’s a chip on her shoulder the size of Arkansas and life is too short. I’m familiar with BPD; I was married to someone who suffered from it, and in fact still does. And makes good and sure everyone around him suffers right along with him. 🙂 At first we thought it as Asbergers’ and it may well be that or that also. But it makes life unimaginably hard for those around them. I think one of the reasons it’s so “resistant to therapy” as you said is because they think they are smarter than any therapist and just refuse to go and talk to “idiots.” So it’s hard. Just about all you can do is save yourself sometimes. 🙂
YAY! JUNSU CONGRATS!
lilibaiyu
Yes, you raise an extremely valid point. Any ranking by “vocal coaches” that has Yunho on it would have to be seriously questioned. And PLEASE OT5 people, I’m not saying he’s without talent as an entertainer! He’s apparently vastly entertaining to many many of his fans. All I’m saying is that technically, as a singer, he should rightly be at the bottom of the Hot Hundred Best Singers In Korea.
Yunho has improved on his singing abilities and Changmin sings good too. All of the members of JYJ/DBSK can sing. But this is a JYJ website so I don’t think anyone regardless if someone is talented or not will be giving compliments to members and vice versa with Yunho and Max stans.
I saw 499 comments…i just want to be the 500 marks! 😀
Congrats to Junsu!!!
Congrats to Jaejoong!!!
Congrats to Yoochun!!!
When I listen to their songs, especially new songs, I always anticipate on how each one of them will bring the song to life with their voices..it’s always amaze me, each part of verses by each members will give different vibes and feeling to the melodies, sounds and how it blends so perfectly..
Do I agree with this analysis? Or am I disagreeing? On what ground? Because of my bias? Or is it really because I think I know music as I have been exposed to music since I’m in my mom’s belly…or because I have PhD in Music??? Hmm, no la..no comment whatsoever..my personal opinion ~ these vocal trainers’ certification on each of shortlisted idols/singers on their abilities, uniqueness and weakness in different categories are just part of analysis that these vocal trainers done so as to find a perfect voice of South Korea!
lilibaiyu
on November 17, 2011 at 1:23 am said:
@bubsbubsoohlala
“both are good to me(=”
Well, then I might just say, and I say this respectfully, that you may not be able to differentiate pitch well. Many thousands of people can’t. Many more are simply tone deaf. Can you sing on key? That’s often a good indication of whether you are able to discern pitch correctly. It’s a specialized talent, no question. A few musicians and singers are said to have “perfect pitch” which means that they can absolutely tell when a note is even a fraction sharp or flat. It doesn’t of course mean they never sing sharp or flat, it’s just that they really know it when they do.
Both YH & CM are singing significantly and consistently off pitch in that video. See if you can tell the difference with JYJ’s version. Beyond that, they are singing hesitantly, like they are not sure of themselves and their performance.
JYJ on the other hand are standing with their feet planted on the ground singing strongly, like they mean it. That’s the difference between the two groups.
I think Bubs should listen to whomever she wants ,if that makes her happy. I enjoy all kinds of music including JYJ’s and Yunho and Changmin’s, R&b, Rock, Pop, and Latin. Music is suppose to make you feel happy, your suppose to enjoy it. So bubs if you like JYJ and TVXQ’s music than listen to it all you want because thats what makes you feel good and no one should try to imply to you that your musical choices are somehow wrong. lilibaiyu doesn’t in my opinion like Yunho or Max, because if you read her post because they are kind of everywhere on the internet, its mostly negative when it concerns them, she can’t make a neutral argument because she is a biased fan. No disrepect lilibaiyu.
Context of response ignored… and grave generalization made without consideration of the context.
@Daisy
Hello. I want to tell you a secret: As you said, everyone is free to listen and to love the music and the musical group he/she wants when and where he/ she wants and no one has the right to tell him/her: “That is wrong, you’re mistaken”. Well, you have to respect your own statement. Then, @Lilibaiyu has the right to has her own opinion and to listen to and to love the musical group she wants. And, just for you to know, she happens to be an authority in everything related to music. Taking this into account, her point of view happens to be extremely valuable and skilled; at the end if she’s biaised or not is of no importance 🙂
@shuheilove
“Taking this into account, her point of view happens to be extremely valuable and skilled; at the end if she’s biaised or not is of no importance :)”
Thank you for that lovely vote of confidence my dear lady. For my own part, I must tell everyone with an ear to hear me fairly that I have NO agenda for dissing Homin. If they were excellent and technically proficient singers I would be the FIRST ONE to say so and would argue passionately in their defense. My comments only go as far as their technical abilities here. I mean them no ill will, quite the contrary. Please hear this: I wish them only good things. I think they are trapped in an unraveling, untenable position and I’m sorry for it.
Shall I highlight, copy and save the above paragraph so I can copy/paste it the next time I am accosted by Homin people? Yes, perhaps I will.
@Daisy
Absolutely @bubsbubsoohlala should listen to whoever she/he wants to if that’s what or who makes her happy. My own god-daughter is a HM/SM stan who loves going to SM idol concerts. Other than honestly explaining my reasons on why I prefer JYJ (musically and personally) and why I refuse to gift her with SM/HM merchandise or concert tickets for her birthdays/Xmas (that’s between her parents and her substantial pocket-money allowance), I’ve never tried to discourage her musical choices despite my biases. My only attempt to influence her musically is to answer her questions about music (since I do have a little musical background), invite her to share in my extensive music library or to attend concerts with me. I figure that time and experience will remedy/improve her musical taste, though poor child will still be forever tone-deaf.
From reading @ilibaiyu’ s posts above, I did not get the impression she was critiquing Bubs’ musical choices but rather clarifying the fact HM’s live 2-men rendition of Lionheart on SMAP was off-pitch. Which it was. Personal tastes are subjective and yes, certainly biased and very “all shades of grey and rainbow too”. However, @ilibaiyu statements above about pitch and pitch-differentiation are black & white facts that are rudimentary elements of music theory, music structure and vocal music. It just IS. I genuinely believe that Lill’s critique of HM’s vocal abilities here, despite her wild internet reputation and biases, is not so much a personal one as a professional one.
So dear @bubsbubsoohlala, please DO feel free to listen to whomever you want to. Perhaps HM’s tones/timbres are appealing to your ears since individual tone/timbres are the more subjective vocal qualities and your individual response to those can be just as subjective. Hey, many of us (including me) have our “guilty listening pleasures”, music we enjoy for unfathomable reasons but mostly “just because”.
However, none of us here will be doing you any service by telling you white lies that HM’s just as accurate pitch-wise as JYJ, either in the past or now. HM are certainly decent, credible singers (CM>YH) compared to many SK idols. At the end of the day, if you break down their individual vocal qualities and definitely pitch-accuracies in any clinical, objective musical analysis, JYJ undeniably will come out a league ahead.
Just MHO.
@livingfree
Hi, I love and totally agree with your post. I am no expert in music…i just rely on my ears and heart 🙂
Yours and lilibaiyu’s inputs and other JYJ3 lovers opinions and expertise in music- are all valuable inputs to me. I am learning so much from all of you and i really appreciate all these.
Thank you! Maraming, maraming salamat 🙂
@jyj1214
“I love and totally agree with your post. I am no expert in music…i just rely on my ears and heart ”
I also love reading yours and livingfree’s posts. They’re always insightful and informed with actual fact. (What a concept, huh?) It’s a continuously learning experience here in so many areas. The thing I want MOST to learn, of course, is that the members are finally free of the burdens of the lawsuit….
🙂
Awwwww…….@ jyj1214 and @lilibaiyu
Right back at you both *Squishy hugs*
Can I confess that this is the ONLY fandom I’ve ever willing & openly (translation: proudly) declare myself a card-carrying member of in all my years of music listening? I will admit to being a fan of many musicians, but to actually participate in such a positive and intelligent fandom is a truly exhilarating new experience. ^^
Typo *willingLY*
Love you, JYJ3 Admins but we seriously need “edit’ or spell-check functionality. (Esp moi)
@livingfree
“Can I confess that this is the ONLY fandom I’ve ever willing & openly (translation: proudly) declare myself a card-carrying member of in all my years of music listening? ”
Oh, me too, totally. Absolutely Numero Uno for me too. I’ve only ever been a real fan of an artist one other time in my life as a matter of fact. There wasn’t any “fandom” – it was just me, or as I now like to call myself, Fan #001.. That experience… had its ups and downs, but I don’t regret a thing.
But there’s just something about these three guys, isn’t there? I can’t quite name what it is but I know that everybody here feels it too. And I find that WONDERFUL.
🙂
@Daisy
” lilibaiyu doesn’t in my opinion like Yunho or Max, because if you read her post because they are kind of everywhere on the internet, its mostly negative when it concerns them, she can’t make a neutral argument because she is a biased fan. No disrepect lilibaiyu.”
Oh, my goodness, no offense taken. Why would I be offended by your implication that I am some sort Homin-hating pariah renowned far and wide for my vicious and continuous slander against them? I’m really sorry you feel that way about me, Daisy and I’ll certainly keep it in mind for the future. Just for the record though, I don’t “hate Homin” and I’ve said so in multiple posts. In fact I think I say it just about every time I mention them. When I mention them at all it is almost always in the context of their technical skill as singers, as above. There I do have reservations about certain of their inherent abilities. But I would no more suggest that Bubs “stop liking them” based on my comments and my perspective than I would fly to the moon. As Livingfree put it, the appreciation of music is subjective and also I might add, emotional as well. I was discussing TECHNIQUE, hoping to perhaps impart some information on singing to another poster. What you ended up doing in the middle of our conversation flinging about innuendo I’m still not too sure I understand.
lilibaiyu’s posts are every where on the internet? I wonder why kekke… But whatever, it’s called freedom of speech. I am sure that’s exactly what that person Precious is enjoying too, am I right? 😉 If you or your minions are reading this, no disrespect Precious.
@daisy:
Everyone has the right to be biased, and being biased has nothing to do with the ability to make a neutral argument. Even a biased argument, assuming that it really is biased, can still make sense if you set the sentiments aside. Disregarding any logic of the said argument just because it seems biased to you shows that you’re biased as hell too. DECLARING that you can’t see ANY logic in a biased argument simply shows, sorry to say this, your inability to make a neutral argument. Again, this is just pure common sense, no disrespect Daisy.
That being said, this little war has been needlessly prolonged. HoMin fans, please understand that JYJ fans don’t have time to carry on this stupid feud. If you have some spare time, please buy some TVXQ2 albums and save money for their concerts (there’s one in Japan early next year right?). We want no connection with you in any form whatsoever.
I was not surprised by the rest of the rankings.. but I was surprised that YC got vocal range 3… Well may be the vocal range what they refer to and what i refer to might be different…
If u r not a fan of TVXQ at all, u will never be able to differentiate YC voice from the songs… That my defination of vocal range.. Well, if u guys only play YC’s part and compare u will understand what i say.. There are lots of ppl who has good vocal but there are only few singers who can sign different songs with totally different vocal..
i know what you mean..hehe..
like yoochun’s daebak scream in ‘love in the ice’ song..
it was really good..!!
I love that scream too. I remember I was very surprised the first time I heard that scream.
my bias is JJ but with yuchun’s scream in “love in the ice” i became a fan of yuchun fan too though my bias is still JJ.i just can’t get enough of him.
i became a fan of yuchun too though my bias is still JJ
I may be apparently Jaejoong bias, but I absolutely adore Yoochun’s voice. Even in TVXQ days when he has limited lines per song, but every verse he sings really has a register in me. And I love all JaeChun’s duet, Melody and Harmony, Shelter, Been So Long, and all their duets, Yes Jae may rank higher in vocal quality, but when JaeChun perform a song, both carry the song in equal weight (no more no less), Yoochun brings out the best Of Jaejoong when they are together. Like in the song In Heaven, his line after kajima, kajima…is just so beautiful, and even if he will just say a line in a song without a note, it is still music to my ears.
@ kris
Hello kababayan. I absolutely agree with you. I adore Yoochun too and love Junsu as well, [well i am JJ bias of course] and i am completely in love with Jaechun’s duets and all of JYJ’s songs [ i have them all in my ipod] , and honestly, i do not see any point of comparison as far as JYJ is concerned. They perfectly complement each other. What makes the trio so successful is that they are together in sharing, harmonizing, maximizing and optimizing their giftedness and talents in both singing and personal relations. I am no expert in music, but listening to them literally and figuratively heals and distresses me, moves me when i need to release my tears, gives me hope when I’m down, and makes me dance and groove when I am so happy…Beyond those rated talents of theirs, there’s something about JYJ that’s hard to describe, but it’s just there in them, really!!!…perhaps to concrete thinkers, this is hard to quantify. But to the JYJ3 Lovers who are highly intuitive people , i am sure, we understand what that JYJ magic is 🙂
Dear all my sista . . . .
I read all comments above n i read negative comments too ( u know Homin Fans ) . . but i dont feel hate or angry to them, u know why ? because i know the quality of JYJ n when people start to feel upset or jealous n deny the quality of JYJ u know whats that mean , that mean they know how bad their Idol quality , if Homin as good as they thought why on earth they try soooo hard to deny JYJ abillity n quality to sing.
U know if we fans a Idol we must take everything the idol is, bad or good coz hey they are human too n they are not perfect , n yes i know JYJ almost perfect but they are not perfect but that doesnt makes me love them less . . i love them for just they way they are.
And i dont give a damn bout that kind ranking because for me JYJ always no. 1 , yes may be there are lot singers better then my boys but still i love their voices.
And bout some u guys got spy by other idol fans . . dont be scare . . . why would u be scare , they only can hate u or angry with u only in cyber world , n it wont like u meet them in real . . . so chill out . . . n bout spy like i told u, only a insecure fandom who will apry othe fandom . .
I love n i have faith in JYJ , so even they being blocked everywhere, deny on music chart, exclude from music award, but in the end they are the RICHEST . . . . haahahah so who give a damn for award or music chart or music program, as long as JYJ happy im happy . . n i believe Talent will speak than words . . .
Peaceeeeeeeeeeeee
lilibaiyu wrote:
“Thank you for that lovely vote of confidence my dear lady. For my own part, I must tell everyone with an ear to hear me fairly that I have NO agenda for dissing Homin. If they were excellent and technically proficient singers I would be the FIRST ONE to say so and would argue passionately in their defense. My comments only go as far as their technical abilities here. I mean them no ill will, quite the contrary. Please hear this: I wish them only good things. I think they are trapped in an unraveling, untenable position and I’m sorry for it.
Shall I highlight, copy and save the above paragraph so I can copy/paste it the next time I am accosted by Homin people? Yes, perhaps I will.”
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Do you review other singers or just Yunho and Max? People get better overtime, thats why there is a such thing as practice. They only been a duo for almost a year, they have to practice to get it right. Not everybody is going to be super talented, with everything coming naturally to them, some of us will have to practice and as a future teacher, if a student isn’t as talented as the next person, I will definitely encourage that student to do his or her best.
lilibaiyu wrote:
I think they are trapped in an unraveling, untenable position and Im sorry for it.”
Since you appear to be worried about their future from the above comments, this is what Yunho wants to do in the future. I hope this calms your worries for him and you don’t have to be sorry.
Yunho – “My goal is to get married one day and build a nice family. And I also want to run schools or facilities for social welfare. In addition, TVXQ is able to reach this position today because many people have given us strength and opportunities. It will be great if I could pass on the numerous opportunities and help I’ve received to other people. And the most important thing is that I want to be a good father.”
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Alice_JJbias:
HoMin fans, please understand that JYJ fans don’t have time to carry on this stupid feud. If you have some spare time, please buy some TVXQ2 albums and save money for their concerts (there’s one in Japan early next year right?). We want no connection with you in any form whatsoever.
Who’s make believe feud are you insinuating about? because I’m not a part of it, so refer that to someone else. I like both groups and respect the decisions they have made. I already have both JYJ’s and TVXQ’s albums, I’m glad your concerned about me owning them, thanks. I don’t have to have a CONNECTION to you because I don’t know you and until Jaejoong, Yoochun, Junsu tell me, not some random fan on the internet, that I can’t be their fan, than I will remain their fan because you do not speak for JYJ’s fandom or them.Or tell a JYJ fan that the JYJ fandom doesn’t want anything to do with a JYJ fan that happens to like the other members too. I don’t have to have a connection to you, because I’m a fan of JYJ not you.
I’m not replying for lilibaiyu, this is just to address what you said to me.
You also noticed that I used the subject “Homin fans”, did you? I apologize I have to burst your bubble, but I wasn’t directly talking to you (unless, of course, if you actually are a part of that feud in spite of what you said).
Second, I AM talking about the feud between the JYJ fandom and the Homin fandom. I don’t have to “insinuate” anything because anyone with just one eye open can clearly see what’s going on. Hotels haven’t died out yet; Precious is still posting regularly; hundreds and thousands of fans in the world are still reading about the “horrible things” that JYJ did and JYJ fans are doing, therefore feeling this peculiar “need” to defend Homin and their fans. I was a Cassie before and I’ve never hated Homin. But the stans that I detest, despise, abhor >__< have forever changed my affection for that duo. Call me whatever names you like, that's just what it is.
Third, the reason why I mentioned you in your comment, is because of what you said in the first place" "lilibaiyu doesn’t in my opinion like Yunho or Max, because if you read her post because they are kind of everywhere on the internet, its mostly negative when it concerns them, she can’t make a neutral argument because she is a biased fan. No disrepect lilibaiyu.” I just wanted to point out the absurdity in it, for which I clearly have made my case.
Fourth, I certainly don't have the right to talk for everyone else, but from my point of view, it is kind of lame to attack a JYJ fan personally and start a fight with the rest, then take the alleged fact that you have bought JYJ albums to threaten people (or whatever your purpose of saying that is). Seriously? Let alone the fact that I have no way to confirm what you said (not that I care enough to), it's simply better, IMO, to stop buying their album and stop fighting with the rest of your purported "family" altogether.
I wasn’t fighting with anyone, you told me that JYJ fans don’t want any connection with TVXQ’s fans and I told you that I like both groups. And I said that I don’t have to have a connection with you, to be a JYJ fan because I’m fan of JYJ not you, my connection is with their music, not you because I don’t know you. You asked me if in my spare time did I buy TVXQ’s album and I told you, yes, I did along with JYJ’s how is that threatening people? I also bought Beyonce’s 4, Lady Gaga, and Jennifer Lopez albums. I should stop buying their albums because of why? And I wasn’t fighting with anyone. And if you or anyone else or lilibaiyu thinks I was fighting with them, those weren’t my intentions. Why does a differences in opinion mean we are fighting?
First, you said you were not fighting with other people, all I have to say is I beg to differ. (Insert quoted sentence above) It is kind of obvious, I don’t think I need to explain myself any further.
Second, I still don’t want any connection with HOMIN’s fans, and I will never recant what I said. I like OT5s (except for some ALLEGED OT5s and to whom I’m referring is also obvious) a.k.a Cassies, because many of them are respectful and they TRULY don’t want more trouble to any of the two sides. By Homin’s fans I mean, as I said before, Hotels, Precious & minions, and the like of you (unless you really are what you said you were, which, again, I have no way to verify). I definitely don’t want any connection with those people, and yes, for this I know I can speak for all JYJ fans.
P/S: You keep reiterating that you’re not my fan or don’t know me… Why? I know that, (thank God for that), and never said otherwise!
u know sista i cant believe i will post comment here twice in a day but read comments above my my finger type without i realize hahhaa . . .
Sista what happened between JYJ n Homin already happened , nothing cant changed what already happened . . JYJ n Homin are grown man ( adult ) , whatever the decission they made they already think bout that.
When JYJ decided to get out from SM they already knew the worst scenarion they wont able to became singer again and they accepted that and continued fight their right.
When Homin decided to stay with SM they must knew what will they face , coz they knew what JYJ felt bout SM are the same like Homin but still Homin stay with SM , so they must ready for everything would come like JYJ did.
JYJ face lot of hardship but they still stood up, so Homin must doin the same thing they should still stood up no matter what happened because thats what JYJ and Homin path to be chosen.
So im kinda lit bit amuse when fans said how sorry for Homin , how SM treat them . . guys Homin are adult, grown up young man who can think by themselves , so they must face all the consequent from they decission and JYJ too , no matter how hard the road JYJ must goin through that the road they’ve been chose.
So we are fans JYJ and Homin rather than feel pity for them or fight with each other fans , dont u guys think it will better for us to give all our mind, power to figt with JYJ & Homins, to stay beside them no matter what tornado will come.
So JYJ fans keep beside JYJ , and Homin fans keep beside Homin . . . they need our strength . . . they no need fan war . . . hope u guys can like me . . im living in my world n JYJ , i dont give a damn what other fans bout my boys . . all matters to me is that i know my boys so i live in happy n peace . . .
JYJ fans & Homin fans . . peaceeeeeeeee
I don’t know if you were replying to me or not but In my statements I was talking about singing ablities, and replying to someone who said that the JYJ fandom wants nothing to do with a fan, that happens to like TVXQ’s Yunho and Max as well, I never mentioned anything about being sorry for Yunho and Max, someone else on here did, and I never said I pitied anyone of them. I think there all doing extremely well. I take from your comments that you think I am a TVXQ5 fan that thinks they are going to get back together, when I never made any comments about them getting back together or anything about the state of events.
hem…such a heated discussion we have here… one with a troll that just plainly rude and all the biases… funny thing is i am feeling very calm and enjoying all the argument between the JYJ fans but i think it is the time for the hater that always lurking here to learn our ways of discusson. i think if the hater are able to stay objectively when expressing his/her opinion we may/can having such a contructism discussion- maybe we can understand a little bit of their mind/action and welcoming (?) their comment.
it is sad when we have to resort to insult/curse/violence whenever we loose the ground in argument. that is only make things more difficult/worse and develop complication. tbh i speak from my own experiences, in my earlier years i was a hot-blooded narrow minded girl. i’d suffered a lot because of that. some bridges that had been burned cannot be rebuilt because of that. i think all people will come to their senses in times, so i always trying hard to be considerate and polite everytime…
what great about these heated discussion is i gain a lot of insightful opinion/info about the area i am not know much- vocalisation and singing techniques. it help me to listen to songs in a different light and help me understand more about how different singer bring out different feel evenhougth they sing the same song…
actually i been surfing youtube and listening to goose dream that been sung by a lot of singer including our own lovely junchan and his jae hyung… i wont say anything about others but i think jae sure have a great and beautiful voice since the earlier days and i love it so much but he sure looked too shy/not confident enough to nail it better. that is the different between him and junchan… from the earlier days junchan always so confident and emite an aura that nobody cannot help but to be amaze with him whenever he singing- maybe because he is the one with the longest training days plus his early involvement in the industry (he was in a boy group back in the school with his best friend- hyukjae). then his jae hyung sing beautifully and his voice always wow me but i always wish he can be more confident because whenever i watch they sing in hug-my little princess-the way you are era he looked being smitten by the spotlight. i love his confident after 2006 or 2007 (i need to go back with the research again). nowaday jae just make me want to shut every sound around me when he is singing and fly higher and higher…
@hodoh45
“what great about these heated discussion is i gain a lot of insightful opinion/info about the area i am not know much- vocalisation and singing techniques. it help me to listen to songs in a different light and help me understand more about how different singer bring out different feel evenhougth they sing the same song…”
This has been my only and ardent wish: that I can take my 40 years or so experience in music and impart some of what I have learned over those years to make my JYJ3 sisters and brothers more informed listeners. I want nothing but the best for all of us.
I think that the more practical information you have about a subject the more able you are to enjoy the best parts of it. This has always been my feeling anyway. I’ve come up over the years, learning as I go and I have arrived at some interesting and I think informed conclusions about the music business in general and singing in particular.
And so I feel inclines to share these with the ladies and gentlemen of JYJ3 because they are My Cherished People.
thanks veery much…i just love you and others regular JYJ family that always objectively sharing info in vasely area.
in my opinion, JYJ fans are the luckiest fans ever exist because we have our great 3guys that always make us proud and cherish us; we have this place where we can called as our home thanks to our great admin and the JYJ fans that in spite of differences and clashes still united and cherished each other in their own ways…. the differences, the uniques, the sharing spirits that we share becoming our strenght to walk by JYJ side…
JYJ Fighting!!!
JYJ3 Fighting!!!
JYJ Fans Fighting!!!
@hodoh54
🙂 Agree, agree.
@Lili:
hai, i like reading your comments and others who understand about singing ……not just merely about bias thing, hahaha…
from the 5 categorizes above, which ones are from a person’s naturally gifted and which ones come as a result after working on it?
i hope you understand my limited Engish, thx
@xiahgold
“from the 5 categorizes above, which ones are from a person’s naturally gifted and which ones come as a result after working on it?”
Hi! OK, here’s my run-down:
1) voice,tone colour/timbre Gifted. It’s God given, you can not “learn” this.
2) ability to reach the high vocal pitch – vocal range can be worked on via practice–it can be stretched over time. Likewise, when skills are not practiced regularly it can shrink again. A singer must sing, a lot –all the time. The vocal cords are a muscle–it’s use it or lose it, like any other muscle.
3) vocal skills & techniques – Of course, these can be honed and perfected if the basic ‘voice’ is there to begin with.
4) vocal range – See #2. Both high and low can be gradually widened, with practice, over time.
5) expressive power — This seems to be akin to #1. I think it is a gift that may be perfected, although perhaps it is also an ability borne of increasing confidence in one’s voice and knowing what you can do with it. Singing, full out in one’s “chest voice” is a singularly courageous thing to do, believe me. It’s not for the faint of heart or for those not confident in what’s going to come out of their mouths. Singing full out, in chest voice when you’re off pitch can be very very bad and awful for the singer to experience, amplified as it is via microphone. Then, losing confidence, the whole performance suffers. Expressive power is all about the sure knowledge that you’re going to hit those notes and the pure WILL to go for it, full out.
JYJ has the giftedness, the long and often tested experience and the unshakable will — you can hear it in everything they sing.
Thx for your kindness to explain….we can continue on other posts then
If you reply this post, yours will be the 600th comments, hahaha…..
@Lilibaiyu
@xiahgold
You rang?
🙂
Yoochun’s voice was very much underrated.