Hello. This is C-JeS Entertainment,
We, the agency responsible for JYJ’s management, announce guidelines for fans’ support activities effective January 1st, 2012.
In the meantime, we have been allowing events and sale of goods by fansites, as we considered them to be fans’ autonomous territory. However, in some cases, using artist’s name rights (namensrecht) without prior consultation and creating profit [for personal interest] occurred. Inevitably, as a management agency, we must make this announcement regarding fans’ supports. Please be advised.
Especially, it’s not only the problem of the deterioration of turning fan goods into a form of business with high profit, but the fan goods with artists’ image on them were sold at high price by the 3rd, the 4th illegal traders [T/N: We believe CJeS means that the re-selling of fan goods by those other than the creators escalated the prices]. The industrialization of fan goods actually causes problem to the production of official goods that bring back right profit to the artists. In addition, it rather influences the endorsement of the contract of MD Goods that the artists have legally signed. As [these actions put] the artists in a disadvantaged situation, goods for sale will be strictly controlled in the future.
1) Production of goods using JYJ’s name rights and portrait rights (photos, images, etc.) is prohibited.
2) In case of JYJ (Jaejoong, Yoochun, Junsu) fan events with over 100 attendees per event, you must share the contents of the event with C-JeS. If there is entry fee, the breakdown of budget must be approved by C-JeS after prior consultation.
(Events with fewer than 100 attendees or events without entry fees are ruled out.)
3) For fan support activities or even donation activities, if involving money (entry fee, fund-raising, deposit, etc.), information must be shared with C-JeS in advance.
However, we think that rather than viewing these criterions to be the warnings by a management agency, we hope these will help fans to be self-conscious and to establish a proper fan culture. We hope for wise decision from fans who love JYJ.
Thank you very much.
Translation by: The_Little_Pear of JYJ3
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Tagged: Announcement, C-JeS, JYJ
“we think that rather than be the warning of management agency, these criteria help fans to be self-conscious and to establish a proper fan culture.”
^ THAT!! I really like this, C-Jes wants to know what fandom is doin’ so that translates that the boys want to know what we are doin’! and I love that. Fandom needs culture…
Yup… I love that as well..
“However, we think that rather than viewing these criterions to be the warnings by a management agency, we hope these will help fans to be self-conscious and to establish a proper fan culture. We hope for wise decision from fans who love JYJ.”
This paragraph sums up what I wanted to say but with reactions so vast in the other post I refrained lol.
CJes is absolutely right in their announcement. It’s technically wrong to take OFFICIAL photos of JYJ, stamp them on fan goods and sell at a lower price because the official goods are more expensive (and probably more bland). Without permission too. Making fanart is fine, heck even fan photography is fine because the FAN took it but fans need to be aware that there are laws that must be met with. Though it’s been evaded all this time…. And it is incredibly naive to think that anyone hate CJes for making JYJ more exclusive (when they are not) but forget JYJ left a company who had ALL CONTROL of their decisions/activities/lives to be in a company where they are the boss, so JYJ definitely approved of this action or at least went along with the decision.
I haven’t read the other thread since last night (a good 16 hours ago) but what you say here is kind of what i was trying to say there too.
and I must say a huge THANK YOU to Hannah for translating this. I was hoping someone would do it soon. I’d much rather have a full translation then a semi-summary translation that leave important stuff out…. especially on a topic like this.
LOL I was so absorbed into my troll/hater mood back on the other post LOL!
BUT!! what about if the fan event is overseas? Like Japan, Spain, USA, Thailand, Mexico…. will C-Jes have the time to aprove our fanmeetings? and now I’m a little confused about that .__.
I agree! I wonder if C-Jes have more EXTRA time to pay attention to us the fans from overseas….
yep! are CJes have a team to work it? its to nonsense..
we all know that Cassies aroud the world always make events so how they can control all?
yuph… I think they can’t make it… can you imagine every year C-Jes must pay attention for hundred maybe thousands event (such as JaeChunSu b’day party) make by fans around the world? Its impossible I guess -_____-“
hmm i wanna know too ?
I would like to know what do C-Jes thinks about fanmeetings overseas, although I think it’s very difficcult to supervise such a meeting, and even the selling of JYJ goods through the net. Maybe these rules apply mainly for domestic fans.
¡Hey! And; what about the donations? I think in this specifical field, C-Jes is able to control the fans’ activities in an easier way.
i have the same question, here in Mexico we do a lot of events for JYJ, i dont think that Cjes can be advised of ALL fanmeetings done wordlwide….
that’s it is stated there “be self-concious and stablish a proper fan culture”. C-jes surely know their limitations, wherever you are you know that there is a guideline. If you organize something e-mail them,if they don’t respod its their problem. At least inform them. And wherever you are you yourself/or your fansite know if what your doing is right or wrong. Selling goods with the artist official fotos,logos or from the products they indorse is unlawful. Even if your intentions are good its still a violition, not only to JYJ but to the people who work behind that..If its for the maintenance your fansite and for gifts or donations, well it’s time to be more creative, use your own fanarts and designs, or we can sell cookies together it will be fun,hehe.:). If you use them for personal or for banners,i think theres no problem with that, just be decent. You know it’s just saying that wherever you are whether they know you exist or not be a responsible fan.
typos– that’s why it is stated there.. And establish, 🙂
Anyway positively, it is good to have a policy on these. Now it’s just starting, if there areany problems, definitely there will be feedback FROM JYJ’s fans which are in countless numbers ^^
great move by C-jes to take control and I think it will be a great thing that they will be aware of what’s happening in the fandom
well done c-jes and jyj. i really support your action.
I like that…. C-jes, they are always different…. ^^
Last time YG following C-jes system for protecting their artist from a bad rumors (even thought at first some people criticize them) and now i wonder who will following this system too ? i think it’s just about the time KFC (i’m forget their name) and they friends (all idol company) change they way they are managing their artist, don’t just give them vacation 1/3 day but protect their right, their life coz they are more then just money maker right.
;-; i guess it’s good, but they must share the money with c-jes?
I dont think so, as for events with entry fee they jst need to know the budget breakdown to avoid things that hv to do with personal profit.
Great job C-Jes, now guys please stop blaming eachother, fandom or ‘sub-fandom’, we all love the boys then start with our own respectful ways.
We all want to be better person for them rite? 🙂
that clear things up a lot.. ^_____^
well it’s a guideline.. those who wants to continue doing the illegal stuffs may do so without CJES knowing it.. but they set the guidelines for fans to know so when they were found out later there will be no blaming that CJES is over reacting as they set the warning,,
can CJES grant licensing.. for the photos if fansites want to use them?
i love that there are fansites but i still wish there is an JYJ OFFICIAL fanclub.. i really want to belong to a fanclub now..
“i still wish there is an JYJ OFFICIAL fanclub.. i really want to belong to a fanclub now..”
Me too, they need that so we can more organize.
I wish JYJ had an official fanclub too.
I think they made an official fanclub in Korea, available only to Korean fans, with the promise that later they would open it up to int’l. fans. The fan meeting in March 2011 in Seoul was only open to those Korean members. At that time I felt a little left out, but honestly they are a growing company that is dealing with lots of issues besides normal management issues, like fighting dragons. We can ask them, but I don’t think they are ready for it.
It’s a C-JeS membership, not a JYJ fanclub.
Do they have to announce it themselves or can we perhaps inform them that we want to have a fanclub label exclusively for JYJ fans? It would be nice. 😦
i agree…its kinda difficutl to organize as a fandom when we dont even have an offical fanclub…but i think that maybe its too soon to our boys to open a new fanclub…maybe we have to wait a bit more n.n
oic,, after read all translation of cjes i know if cjes not mean to ban but they only control it’s,,, i thought it’s good move from cjes, but i hope cjes will open to i-fans membership like as official fansclub so we who live in outside of korea can to buy official goods,,, hope and pray 🙂 🙂
I think this guidelines will not hurt those legitimate fanclubs, if they want to produce fangoods to raise funds for a certain club activity /project/charities, they have just to coordinate and get authorization from Cjes ….this is more directed to producers of JYJ merchandizes for sole commercial purposes, some are not even fans or hardly know JYJ but as long as they know what sells fast, they will produce and sell and I think this is prevalent in any country with any celebrity. These guidelines are not new, these are supposed to be the standard operating practices, but often times everybody goes out from SOP when there’s nobody watching or nobody is calling their attention. And as the closing statement goes ” we hope these will help fans to be self-conscious and to establish a proper fan culture ” …the world is too wide, in every corner where JYJ name is known, there’s always a possibility of fangoods to be produced with or without Cjes knowledge, so they can only hope for a proper and responsible fan culture.
You’re right dear. These are guidelines for fans’ activities and there mustn’t be a problem to follow them if their main concern is JYJ’s wellfare. These are necessary to preserve JYJ’s rights.
I agree. It’s only so far that c-jes can extend their “jurisdiction”, but it’s good that they are using the laws that are there to protect and represent the artist. An I-n international fan club will be great, but that has an extensive scope. I recommend that c-jes, recruits an already existing fan club in each country where JYJ has fans. Screams that fan clubs, like any other job interview and makes that club/ website JYJ official repin that country by linking their website to the official c- jes page. Then, c-jes creates policies and procedures for the I-fan rep as far events, promotions, sales of goods. The respective country fan club rep will be in direct contact with c-jes, all official country reps wi abide to similar ways of doing business, get the most accurate a direct info, and we are united by the same mission. It could be like an international organization with headquarters In each country. If someone who knows Korean wants to email c -jes this idea, you can take it and run with it.
Santa all I want for x-Mas is my personal edit button. Today at work I sent an email that Said something like “let’s show them our threats” instead of treats. Of course, the receiver, freaked out. I had to email back and say that I was actually talking about treats, like in goodies. Lol and lol.
¿What happened to your lovely avatar dear? ¡It turned into a four eyed monster!
Do you see my pic with the boys dressed in white, or do you still see my brown monster? When I write from my iphone,I have the monster, and when I write from my mac I see the pics with the boys dressed in white. It’s weird, but I don’t know why.
¡Oh! I understand. Now I am looking at your monster 🙂
“Santa all I want for x-Mas is my personal edit button. Today at work I sent an email that Said something like “let’s show them our threats” instead of treats. Of course, the receiver, freaked out. I had to email back and say that I was actually talking about treats, like in goodies. Lol and lol.”
I understand the basis of how this would strengthen things a bit, in theory. But I would sooner eat a box of nails than let C-JeS choose a local representative for me. They’ve tried to “screen” people in the past, only to wind up with crazy OT5 blabbermouths on their payroll. Most of the BNFs in this fandom are not people I’d ever, EVER want to have one iota more power than they already have. No offense to anyone personally, but I do not want JYJ fans (any of you) being my representative in anything. People should be able to be dedicated fans without having to obey other fans.
Remember the JYJ Dots thing? Same idea, huge disaster. Reps used their accounts to tweet their own opinions and pissed a lot of fans (like me) off. Too many fans just assume that how they feel about something is exactly the way everyone else feels. Fans should not have to have someone represent them; we are each important.
Additionally, what happens when reps start stepping out of line? They will, guaranteed. C-JeS already has massive problems with organizations (like ZAK, Mr Egg, etc) misrepresenting things (sometimes with the most noble of intentions). There is no way they can control a bunch of fans, too. And all of those fans will have “official” standing, so the potential for major damage to JYJ is enormous. It would cause SO much work and problems for C-Jes. T_T
Mr. Egg ? is he is under an organizations too like ZAK, who work for C-jes ?
A lot of events will probably be turned down by CJES unfortunately in my opinion.The dedicated clubs and fansites are just going to have to find another means to support their clubs to be able to buy expensive gifts,bulk albums and such. Hope for the best
Yup, on a brighter note, this will force creativity out of fansites or clubs, establishing their financial transparency, and better system~ :3
it’s good that cjes uses law to protects their artists, but a lot of the support gonna be turn down by the Cjes..such as subway advertisement n all of those amazing supports…it’s gonna be difficult for fansites to find another way around it… personally i don’t like it.
perhaps in those cases, the organising fansite should consult CJes on their plans. esp if it’s for a good cause, CJes could allow exceptions. i feel this move on their part is an attempt at control – rather than restriction.
It’s not nesessary to be turned down…The project like this asking for donation which usually keeps tab on money flow and budget needed for those advertisement. They can submit that info to CJeS. I don’t think a creative project like this one going to be turned down…
I totally understand.
@Daebaksama I like your ideas about establishing individual FCs in a given city to link up with C-jes; with the goal of JYJ OFFICIAL membership. I feel this would be more manageable for C-jes and JYJ as far as fan meets, charity events and auctions in the cities they visit. Imagine JYJ having a FM in your city or auctioning off some personal items! I’m giving myself goosebumps just thinking about some of these things!!! C-jes needs to seriously consider some of the fans ideas, if they haven’t already.
@Barbara D. Bolton
IKR. It will need a little bit of strategic planning and managing to create the strong foundation, for the C-jes with “subsidiaries” around the world, but with screening of the rep, and clear expectations, and then policies unified under the same mission, we could have a strong fan culture, each local rep could have a “Donate” button, or a “Pay Membership Fee” button, so we can all become part of official JYJ fans. Another great good thing will be that each official rep website to have a link to the official C-Jes store, but people will pay for goods in local currency because the rep will receive the bulk merchandise and mail it everyone in the country.
Then each country C-jes official rep can be the direct link to all the other fan groups within that particular country and keep updated records of the membership, events, projects, and in that way we can really see and measure the impact that JYJ has all over the world. Oh, there is so much more that I want to add….I actually touched on this idea many months ago…I guess I am babbling about, but I am sure that C-jes and co are already thinking about ways of unifying the fans.
@Daebaksama You’ve touched on so many interesting ideas! Hope to hear more-and get these ideas to C-jes. And, yes, I’m just waiting for that ” Pay Membership Fee” button ;D
The thing I don’t like about that is it creates “leaders” in fandom who then come to represent all fans. Individual fans’ opinions cease to matter and only the leaders get to have their say. More often than not, the leaders abuse their power and come to express only their own opinions & that of their close friends. This happened repeatedly in TVXQ fandom pre- and immediately post-split. A few foreign fans have often tried to “represent” on behalf of foreign fans to Korean fandom, and in fact they were not representing i-fans at all, just their own wishes. It’s helped cause a permanent rift between the fandoms at a time when unity is vital. It’s just like politics. I would never trust anyone else to represent what I want.
Additionally, a lot of fans genuinely don’t feel a kinship with other fans. Everyone is different. Many want to deal more directly with the original source (JYJ, C-JeS, etc), not with some over-powerful superfans. I would never hand over my personal information to a fan, only to C-JeS directly, and I don’t really care to interact with other fans that much because it doesn’t fit my personality. Pretty much the only time I post here is to try to correct misinformation. If a million local fanclubs were established, I would cease to matter and only those who chose to participate in the fanclub would actually be considered fans.
While I understand the good intent behind this idea, I think logistically it would be extremely open to massive abuse and culture-wise it would alienate a LOT of fans. T_T
hmm, i understand alot of fans must be annoyed by this. but i think this is a good move by CJeS to protect JYJ. yes, there’re lots of donations or fan event that are good for JYJ. but there’re also many site who used JYJ’s name for negative things or personal gain. like some sites who sell JYJ’s stuff illegally (i found some sites accidently who sold pirates cd n dvd of JYJ and TV5Q, or sold JYJ photos or postcard. and that arent even for donations or for gathering budget for fan event. but for their own personal gain. CJeS didnt restrict fan event or banned it, but they just asked to receive a report. its good, esp for shunning people (or anti) who could be spread rumours about ticket prices for any JYJ event and made it look like CJeS or JYJ got profit from those sales tickets and told about how greedy of them to sold it at such a high price.
i also remeber during TV5Q theres a tours n travel company who using TV5Q pics in their promo poster and made people thought they will meet TV5Q or the package was sponsored by SME or TV5Q. many bought the package then when they dont even could meet them, they send a harsh complained n blame TV5Q or SME that time. there also an event in where people who bought the an event tickets and promised that they could meet TV5Q member in the event, turn out it didnt and people bashed n complained about them again (i dont really remmember, but i think the organizer spread a rumours TV5Q cancelled them on the day of the event, thus many people bashed n mad at TV5Q).
and about copyrighted pics/photos, remmember many of those photos that printed in fan goods were copyrighted by another party (like Jae Elle’s pics, or JYJ’s NII pics or Chun’s High Cut pics). they could send a complained or protest to CJeS. esp since its fan goods, they dont credited the copyright holder or even mentioned the photographer (in magz, name of the photographer have to be mentioned), and they made money of those. i mean we are mad when couple months ago, some new singer tried to release Jae’s Wasurenaide without creditted Jae. i believe this also the same with those copyrighted pics/photos. and there also many poster/banner using JYJ member pics and another person from other group who used the pics and psed to made it look like another series of pic, even the unproper ones (ps’ed YJ pics for example).
and about the donations, i think CJes just tried to control if smthg goes bad and could tainted JYJ’s name. i mean the donations or event used JYJ’s name. can u imagine if there’re some people who misused JYJ’s name for donations and turns out they never donate the money or not fully donated it. i mean even people asked questions about JYJ charity event in Japan, when there werent any news about how n where the donations went. even when the Zak Corp n CjeS relesed a report where the donations went, people again asked how much of money used to bought the 1000 NukAlert and asked about the rest of the money. can u imagine if this happened to those donations made without CJeS knowledge, and when it goes bad, JYJ’s name will be brought up, eventho the donations didnt even involved JYJ’s or CJeS participation.
moreover, this could also help with YJ sites, events, banner, pics, etc that have been made public and not within the YJ circles/communities anymore.
so as long this could protect JYJ’s name and their rights, eventho this could limited us, fans, as long this for our boys well fare, it means a good thing, right? =)
Agreed! AND A++++++++++++++******************************
This is a matter of TRUST AND CONFIDENCE , it depends on the fan now. Real fans wont hurt their idol by doing illegal stuff but fake fans will never care. So I think CJes is pointing out the people who just greedily sell stuff to earn more money by using official images of JYJ, & also using their name.
now, i hope this clears up the misunderstandings!
CJES as a management company of JYJ, protects JYJ.