JYJ3 note: This is Part 3 of an article written by Professor Lee DongYeon, who teaches cultural theory at Korea National University of Arts. We decided to translate this piece due to its strength of insight and its relevance to understanding how the situation between JYJ and SM is perceived by intellectuals as well as by the general public. DNBN, among other Korean fansites, have posted the professor’s article and we believe it is our duty to share it with international fandom. Read Part 1 and Part 2 by clicking on the links.
Source of happiness and free will
So are JYJ, the exiles of K-pop, happy? Of course they are, because JYJ fandom’s righteousness makes them happy. JYJ’s source of happiness can seemingly be viewed as a commercial success. Since their official debut in 2010 until now, JYJ have been as successful as they were in TVXQ days. Until now, combining 2 studio albums, members’ solos, OST albums, concert albums, etc., at least 1,200,000 albums were sold. They have appeared in more than 10 ads such as being models for Lotte Duty Free. Not only publishing photobooks, a music essay, and DVDs, the members have also participated in a movie, musicals, and dramas. They had 33 concerts and showcases in total (including Live Concert in Japan, Worldwide showcases in 2010, World Tour concerts in 2011), mobilizing audiences greater than 550,000. Economically, they have gained more benefits than TVXQ of the past and in comparison with TVXQ’s 2 members, they have gained greater fame.
But the real reason for which JYJ can be happy is that they can decide for themselves their activities. No longer having to follow unilateral activities under company’s decision, the recovery of freedom is indeed JYJ’s source of happiness. Without a management company, JYJ made an agency contract with C-JeS Entertainment that takes care of everything they need in their activities. Contrary to TVXQ days in which their activities were all under SM’s unilateral schedule, they have now all the rights to their activities. Now that they create and produce their own music, they want to be called artists. When they perform, have united activities, release albums, or have to do public activities, they don’t need to read anyone’s countenance, but instead have the right to decide for themselves. Giving up the original name and vested interests, they got freedom of thought and action in return. Isn’t it the thing that many K-pop’s musicians must dream of?
The TVXQ that was praised as the most perfect group in the genealogy of Korean idol groups has now been separated into TVXQ and JYJ. To fans, their fateful separation when they were running to the highest peak was unhappy and tragic. It would have been good if all 5 members of TVXQ had come out of SM and had had independent activities, like the example of Shinhwa. But unfortunately, getting entangled in these or other private interests, they have separated and broken off.
The past TVXQ fandom or the present JYJ fandom might once dream of their reunion. It means that 2 members cancel the exclusive contract and they reunite again under the name TVXQ, because there is almost no chance that the 3 JYJ members would join SM again because they miss the name TVXQ. In that case, could 2 TVXQ members come out of SM? And would they be able to exercise their rights as TVXQ and be active again?
Perhaps it would be impossible. If SM itself won’t give up right to the trademark TVXQ, it’s impossible to reunite under the name TVXQ in one form or another. The possibility that, the 2 TXQ members Uknow Yunho and Choikang Changmin who have already decided to stay at and continue their activities under SM until now, move on and liberate themselves out of SM, is not that high. Even if they could reunite, it would be impossible to use the name TVXQ again. In that case, there are only 2 ways left for the return (or reunion) of TVXQ. One way is for the 2 member TVXQ and the 3 member JYJ to acknowledge the reality of the situation [that JYJ are not TVXQ members], but I believe that JYJ are still seen in practical cases as being part of TVXQ. Of course they cannot claim the name TVXQ, because it clearly belongs to SM and is used solely for the activities of the 2 boys, however there are the 3 JYJ members who helped give true authority to the name TVXQ*. In other words, the members must accept the reality that there is a discrepancy between the name [TVXQ] and the content. In this case, instead of giving up their original presence in the ‘nation of TVXQ’, the members must be willing to be vested with the symbolic authority of the name by fans and live in exile forever. [T/N: the author is trying to say that both sides must give up the name TVXQ so that they can still remain as symbolic ‘TVXQ members’ in the minds of fans forever.]
Second way has bare possibility, it’s that 2 TVXQ members come out of SM and rejoin JYJ. In this case, they wouldn’t be able to use the name TVXQ either but they could practically acquire the nationality of TVXQ, because all the population of TVXQ nation would have applied for exile. The name doesn’t matter. Perhaps it would become JYJYC or YCJYJ. Although there were misunderstanding and hatred in the past, perhaps, fans would sincerely hope for this 2nd case. It means that they couldn’t call TVXQ ‘TVXQ’ but the name of a new exile, as long as they could be together.
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* The professor is mistaken here; SM does not own the trademark rights to 東方神起 or “Dong Bang Shin Ki”. The Korean Patent and Trademark Office rejected SM’s trademark application because “The requested trademark filed by SM Entertainment is inextricably and intrinsically connected to famous a cappella dance and singing group members U-know Yunho, Youngwoong Jaejoong, Micky Yoochun, Xiah Junsu and Choikang Changmin and as such, under Trademark Act Article 7.1.6, this request cannot be accepted. End.” Source and English translation
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Sorry but in my opinion…
JYJ DOESN’T NEED TO GO BACK TO TVXQ/SM!!!!
When you have had a taste of heaven, why go back to hell or be associated with it???
First again….
O_O
He’s not saying that, it’s just one of many solutions just calm down….
There’s no way they would go back to SM but I believe they would still make an effort to reunite with Yunho and Changmin. Don’t underestimate their friendship.
This is just my opinion, but I don’t believe it’s about friendship anymore.
How to say this… Like … their music is starting to differentiate a lot as the time passes … And also their respective individual fandoms.
However, whatever the future is. I’m agree with this statement. JYJ doesn’t need to go back to SM nor to TVXQ. JYJ value as itself, as a new wonderful music group.
@solangejj
“This is just my opinion, but I don’t believe it’s about friendship anymore. How to say this… Like … their music is starting to differentiate a lot as the time passes ”
I like EVERYTHING about the new pared down, streamlined, concentrated talent power plant that is JYJ. I like their attitude, their choices and I vastly admire their courage. I like what they stood up for and GOT. I can’t say any of those things about Homin, not really. I wish for them to deal wisely with the consequences of their choices, that’s about it.
Yes, but it’s a topic that needed to be addressed.
Remembered the book that Jae recommended , ” The man who wanted to be happy”. I think that he is trying to tell us that JYJ thru their reflections and experiences on what happened last 2-3 years, learn to free themselves from the long-held beliefs. They at peace with themselves now, knowing their life / music path and move on… Look at all the new happy and existing events that happening. For me that matter the most … ever!!!!!!!!!
They really dont need to go bac
There’s no way they would go back to SM. NO WAY. I never ever want JYJ to go back to that hell company again.
i know and their music style would change thats crazy cu why go across the world trying to make fans and show off your music as jyj and go ck erasing those songs and pictures( they take photosliterally every day) individual path choices like drama i mean theyre getting so muc hawards though korea tvs dont show it, we see it and we the world igger than that one country understand and love them, better for me. also sm would smile at them and then punish them hidddenly. also i don’t think even sm is stupid to stand next to three young boys they brought up and tell them to do this or that for a song one day. we just want their friendship not their music cuz music as five was just a start not forever forever is as brothers.if you watch jyj come on over which was end of 2010 ut released octover 2011, they became a family but nit always cling to eachother and 3of them have indivual schedules like NORMAL HUMAN BEINGS. plus there is a reason jyj without much support ( don’t mean fans but country tvs) are known everywhere though only went so SPECIFIC countries not everywhere, they are true artists. Homin don’t even care if snsd , those little girls are labeled like them an not given highest role in sm, even if sm wants to, theyre just dbsk past, not these amazing young men anymore, they deserve it( not in a mean way) if you watch their song ” how can i” you’ll cry your eyes out, i thought they voices were even better than jyj, amazing vocals, great choreography, but WHO RECOGNIZED THAT? WHO? sad as they also wanna prove the can dwell alone but ain’t getting it
“…. if you watch their song ” how can i” you’ll cry your eyes out, i thought they voices were even better than jyj, ….”
You must be kidding!
Why bother going one big round just to say the other side is better?
You could have just say it out loud in a HM site or a OT5 site.
So please go do that elsewhere. Duh~
You have a serious EAR issue girl. Besides, you have to improve your english. I hardly understood what you wrote.
@hanna
““…. if you watch their song ” how can i” you’ll cry your eyes out, i thought they voices were even better than jyj, ….””
You DO realize, I sincerely hope, that every millisecond of their recorded vocals is multi-tracked, composited and auto-tuned–right?? You DO know this? You DO know that, live, these two are just barely (and I do mean barely) competent lead singers, right? And that’s with no ad-libbing, no deviating from the melody, no licks, no vocal runs… You DO know this, right? Because if you don’t, then you are deluded, utterly, in your assessment.
@hana
The 2 sound better than JYJ? their voices are better than JYJ,oh you must be in sane.Please wake up.
the professor said it already, “no chance that the 3 JYJ members would join SM again because they miss the name TVXQ.”.
jyj will never go back to sm. that’s for sure. but as to jyjyc/ycjyj, it all depends on YH and CM, really. it’s obvious jyj is willing to accept them.
@Heddle Kate
“jyj will never go back to sm. that’s for sure. but as to jyjyc/ycjyj, it all depends on YH and CM, really. it’s obvious jyj is willing to accept them.”
It’s not obvious to me. Not by a long stretch of the imagination. Why should they, beyond the obvious fangirl driven rhetoric of AKTF and the like? What does Homin have that JYJ needs? Nothing. Besides, you don’t SERIOUSLY think SM’s going to allow Homin to traipse off back to JYJ taking the name and ALL that that implies along with them, do you?? I think they’d sooner have them killed. No, there’s not going to be any reunion in the foreseeable future.
Aside from any other consideration, SM would NEVER allow it.
I don’t think it’s because JYJ are willing to get them back but it’s more of clearing the misunderstandings/differences they have with Homin thus, achieving closure for everyone.
I agree 🙂
And I do believe JYJ wouldn’t reject the idea of being with Homin again.
But we can’t tell the future, so let’s just wait and see what happens.
“jyj will never go back to sm. that’s for sure. but as to jyjyc/ycjyj, it all depends on YH and CM, really. it’s obvious jyj is willing to accept them.”
i agree. Altough i think that JYJ is perfect as they are know, i can say that, if there was a chance, they would like to reunite whit HoMin…im not being delusional or something like that, its just the way i see the situation….JYJ still love Yunho and Changmin…i mean, just look at Jae, he stills consider JYJ a part of TVXQ…”JYJ from TVXQ”…
exactly. homin even when together looked like statues ( not mean way)do as told but in2st cent if say no,what can sm do? the fans everywhere are with dbsk, not sm and would follow them and support them and even other artists would love them as they are hurting but stick together as 5 and grow bigger cuz cassies wouldn’t split. now homin everywhere theyre satisfied with their LEVEL of fame, while jyj before and now wanna EXPAND it (theyre not crazy for money) cuz artists grow in age and should grow in their profession also and jyj did just that, also changmin did an amazing drama called paradise ranch and was amazing for his first time, but no tv show about,no award, they have best album in 2011 but who gave them album of year? no one. sjunior had mr simple, dumb for their age and how good they are( wished it was better) snsd had boys( great but not as an album as only that song was good.) damn korea sometimes, theyre just starting but their music industry is sparkling with jyj and don’t even use them to bring world to them, rather girly boys and toooo sexy acting girls,can dance only rather than the vocals of the song ( i mean theyre singers, when you watch their performances, you think theyre dancers and not amaze you with their music and voices. its hard thats why and they dance so much their voices fade away even with little words each) then how come sm brought out dbsk but no one even in asia compares to them that sm cant do it again, crazy ppl, they can welcome them to show how great korean group they have in country to world and put idols next to them in line, one day their turn comes you know?
“…changmin did an amazing drama called paradise ranch and was amazing for his first time, but no tv show about,no award, they have best album in 2011 but who gave them album of year? …”
If you wanna complain how your dear oppas are being treated by SM, pls do so in an ot5 site as I mentioned above.
This is a JYJ site!
P/s: I wonder how many times we must repeat that?!! Grrr~
Many more my dear @Shadow. The girl @Hanna has serious EAR issues; remember?
By this time; I don’t think it’s possible a reunion between JYJ and Homin, and not that JYJ, specially Jae hasn’t tried. Homin never wanted to meet with them again so how is possible for them to be together as if nothing had happened? ¡Please! The reality is not as pleasant and happy as one wants it to be.
@Shadow
Everytime I encounter asinine statements from Homin/OT5 fans, it appalls me. I wonder how old these people are. Basing from their perspectives, I sometimes think they’re underage still (mentally speaking). They’ve confounded their delusions and reality.
Sweetie….what exactly are you trying to say ?? I just don’t get it..
I’m replying my post @ hana..
Honey, PR was an OK drama but I wouldn’t call it AMAZING. Secondly they had poor ratings (so so). Changmin did well as a first timer, but they took 6months or more to film, refilm, cut, paste, photosync and what-nots to the drama before they aired it, when most dramas start airing their episodes after just the first-2 weeks of filming. SBS themselves knows better than anyone what they did to the drama to make it come out the way it did. If they think Changmin didn’t deserve an award at that time, then they probably have their own reasons why.Or SM didn’t want Max to feel too big for his own pants, less he leaves the company.
I agree with you that JYJ doesn’t need to go back to SME, but I totally hate it when you said that they doesn’t need to go back to TVXQ, maybe they won’t come back as TVXQ but they will be forever BROTHERS!
@lorain
“I agree with you that JYJ doesn’t need to go back to SME, but I totally hate it when you said that they doesn’t need to go back to TVXQ, maybe they won’t come back as TVXQ but they will be forever BROTHERS!”
But in fact, as JYJ have proved for the last 2 years, they DON’T need Homin to be great performers at the top of their game in multiple careers. They DON’T need TVXQ for any reason. They have proved that conclusively.
Further, that in fact are not brothers. I agree it did SEEM like it for a few years there when they were DBSK, but in fact, they were not. They worked and lived together for 7 years. Now they do neither and have done neither for 2 years. Both groups have moved on, in opposite directions. Insisting otherwise really only makes you look like you can’t face reality.
These posts are so interesting to read. Thanks so much to the translators!!! I’m looking forward to the next part!
Could someone tell me what was the first performance of the boys as:
1. JeJung/Junsu/Yuchun, and did they start? Because I have the feeling that their beginning as 3 was in Japan.
2. When was their official debut as JYJ?
Thank you, guys.
1. they are still reluctant at that time because of what happened but they are determined to stand on stage as singers. yes that was their beginning as 3 in Japan yet we know it didn’t push through with A===.
2. i think its in Oct.
1. yes they started it in Thanksgiving Live in Dome Japan with that name
2. i think actually it’s around June but after that their activities get suspend and they released their English-language global debut album under Warner Music Asia, The Beginning, on October 12
I tried to help as far I can :
Around April 2010, Avex stated that Jejung Junsu Yoochun will start their activity as trio in Japan while TVXQ have a break. When the trio held japan tour and releasing album “The..” , they still been called as Jejung/Junsu/Yoochun (not TVXQ or JYJ)
They doesn’t have any group name yet.
Jejung Junsu Yuchun officially formed as JYJ after releasing their album “The Beginning”, and their showcases. I’m not sure about their debut as JYJ, some says when they hold seoul showcase, some said when they performed at kbs award 2010.
Their first performance – not as “JYJ” but as Jejung/Junsu/Yoochun – was in June 2010 during Thanksgiving Live in Dome. Avex announced this and THSK hiatus way back in April. They rocked A-Nation in August (I was there yay!), but were still not referred to as JYJ by then.
“The…” (September 2010) is considered JYJ’s Japanese debut album, even though the name “JYJ” didn’t appear on the album cover. “The Beginning” (October 2010) is their global debut album, and it marks the first time the new group name, JYJ, became official.
I hope that helps. ^^
Yes it does~! Thank you very much~!
Plz let them know professor…but in my opinion they are not going to be reunited they made there decision and they should live with the consequences.. Those 2 is just damn stupid ..shinhwa was smart wen they left those 2 should have follow the same suit
That’s what I always thought too…
Shinhwa has my respect. I admire their brotherhood. All 6 of them stuck it out till the end. Eric is really the epitome of a leader. He never swayed. I hope JYJ have that type of brotherhood too and can last as long as Shinhwa.
JYJ and Shinhwa both have my respect~! They stood together for their beliefs and never wavered (at least publicly^^). Thanks for your coments~!
The time for homin to leave sme has come and gone … even if they would leave sme now, it wouldn’t have the same impact as it would, had they left with JYJ. More ridicule with fall upon homin if they do this at this point in time. So it would be more prudent for them to stay with sme.
And if they stay with sme, no JYJ + homin. Frankly, having TVXQ5 as one again is a long shot. JYJ knows they came from TVXQ5, they will always be grateful to that. But they are now JYJ. The last two years of hardships were something homin can only imagine. The five may have shared lives till 2009, but when JYJ left and homin decided to stay, they became different entities with different experiences.
@teya – “So it would be more prudent for them to stay with sme. ”
I absolutely agree with this….for many reasons:
1) They’ve already re-signed with SM… as full grown adults.
Whatever deal they made with the devil — it’s now sealed for the duration of their careers.
I’m going to guess that they actually (ironically, thanks to JYJ) were able to lay down terms that were FAVORABLE to THEM….due to SM’s *extreme need* to keep the TVXQ franchise….no matter how fractured. Clearly there’s still money to be made from ‘the legend that WAS TVXQ’
2) Based on the progression of JYJ into independant artist actions – just how would the injection of a *former leader* and *maknae* be an improvement in ANY of their lives?
At present…Changmin holds a higher position of decision-making than he ever did, or would, within TVXQ5…and Yunho is basking in the glory of being Sunbae to, generally, the entire SM donsaeng/crew.
Which one of JYJ would step aside to re-establish Yunho …as *leader*? (raises eyebrows…looks aside…and then says, “Aw… HELLZ NO ~ ain’t happenin”
3) Based on personalities on display in the last two years….JYJ and HoMin….are living with the kind of management that TOTALLY suits them. So yeah….much more prudent to stay put.
@Sally_b
The thing that kills me is all of this ‘Homin is “protecting the name” ‘ crap that their followers repeat back and forth to each other ad nauseum. Protecting the name from what, or from whom?? This convenient fiction is simply part of an SM written script. Why can’t people think for themselves for a minute and SEE this? SM wants the name because they want to continue to exploit it and the only way they can do that is to hang on to Homin. So they make up this catch phrase that “Homin is protecting the name of TVXQ” and their fans parrot it over and over again until it seems to be established fact. It’s totally ridiculous.
@lilibaiyu
Let them be, sooner or later .. that excuse will just sound too hollow even to them .. I really don’t care that much about the TVXQ name, what still rattles me at times is homin taking credit for everything TVXQ5 has worked for in the six years that TVXQ5 were together. But then again, I just pacify myself with the idea that homin probably needs it more anyway. Guess there won’t be much point in homin if they are not riding on the TVXQ name. 😛
i love you for taking the words out of my mouth, good job
¿Homin is protecting what???? They are only profiting on it. SM has to “squeeze” the name until nothing but ashes remain. ¡Protecting the name! ¡Pffffffttt!
exactly my point, i hope jyj goes their way and homin too just forgive achother in future days like brothers not musicians, they can’t start over together in albums and shoots and all that crap cuz their jyj hard work all over world and homin will be gone.> jyj wouldn’t leave if they wanted to return
this article is really neat. way to tell the truth.hopefully people will see the situation in a more positive objective light now. i love yh and cm as i love jyj but i just don’t understand their decision to stay now after all that has happened. why choose bondage to freedom. yes, the gamble was big but the payoff is worth it. i do understand wanting to keep the name etc. but it just isn’t worth giving everything up for something that is forever changed from the original. i don’t understand all the in’s and out’s of it and i will respect them for being who they are. i believe jyj took the right path and they deserve all the success they are receiving. there will always be 2 sides and pros and cons to every decision in life. all i hope for is that all 5 members are happy with the decisions they have made and can live up to their potentials. (kind of hard under sm though) but maybe they see things i don’t. whatever. i still support them all but my heart is with jyj and their path. i am seeing this more and more as time goes by. but, what if they had not been successful? i would still love them as i still love the other 2. its like with grown kids. you don’t always agree with what they do but you still love them.
Probably, all 5 of them agreed to leave and sue SM initially but there’s a reason why the other 2 stayed behind. This is my assumption. The parents of Homin were against their decision to leave SM. In an Asian family, respect for elders is a MUST. A child, regardless of age, would be accused of being disrespectful if he/she opposed a parent’s choice for him/her.
@pian
Respect for elder is a must.Okay,but don’t hurt anyone else especially your friends.Don’t say anything negative about the others.Be respective just like JYJ.That is why thay gain my respect.Have you ever heard them talking bad about the 2?Hello,there goes your respect.They live togher long enough to be considered family just like they said in Coupe Talk.What happened?It looks like the 2 just forgot all about it.You see only time and hard time can tell.
I know. Homin just came out and bashed them like that. Such arrogance! I loathed them for it. Some OT5 even defended them. I even encountered International fans denying about what Homin said against the 3. They said the 2 never bashed JYJ. Don’t those OT5 even wonder why most of the Korean cassies sided with JYJ? I don’t know if they’re just blinded by their OTPs or they just being oblivious to reality.
@ Sapphire
I was gonna say what you just said.
His father probably layed down an altimatum, “Your family or your bandmates”. And Yunh probably knew that this time around his father may never speak to him again for good. And considering the path JYJ were suggesting wasn’t fullproof/a-quaranteed-success, he chose his family instead of an uncertain future.
Where was that respect when Yunho auditioned for SM despite disapproval from his family? His father basically cut him off financially while he was a trainee and only accepted him back when he was about to debut. He was sleeping in subways and under bridges. He was also depending on Junsu and Jaejoong for living arrangements. For someone who was so “renegade” in pursuing his dreams, I don’t get his complacency now.
“Where was that respect when Yunho auditioned for SM despite disapproval from his family?”
RIGHT! XD
Junsu Love (@XiahJunsubias)
Do you think those stories Yunho’s been narrating on variety shows are even close to truth? He says one thing to a show and then he says otherwise in another show? (e.g. In one show he said he lived with Junsu’s family pre-debut, after a couple of years, he says he lived with the present SM president before his debut.)
your right, family was hurt they said in interview about crap given to them. i mean who even know their families or would say crap about them. its their choice just cuz theyre brothers doesn’t mean they all took it that extent and flowed with same blood. i mean Homin said they didn’t know at first they wanted to sue sm, What? homin was off my list then cuz jyj would never leave without pursuing other two and homin said themselves other time they chose to STAY. Also Sjunior said same thing about hangeng( not knowing he was suffering and wanting lawsuit) what kind of bulshit is that, they all say they didn’t know the person wanted to leave. you can see they are normal human beings , kind but are gonna make choices that hurt others. i dont care.. jyj fighting. now end of this year 2011 and to 2012 i’m happy theyre apart, they just went and came to perform at places and labeled cute and hot and when other groups came out, they didn’t do what dbsk did to get there but put on the same stage as our boys easier which dbsk talked about themselves as being sad. and in that talk show jyj members looked like they felt that way bigger and then you know they left for their rights. dbsk never expanded now jyj is and homin are treated and given same taste as snsd and sjunior and other sm kids. they deserve it and international pple might knowhomin them but no respect like jyj. Also homin even a little clip shows you they don’t wanna expand EXACTLY as much as jyj even when together it was jyj who had more fame as changmin as cute and hated talking camera and yunho was so fake as always acted strong never let him self out
@Junsu Love
Playing Devil’s advocate now, but seriously, being cut off from his family like that when he auditioned for SM & pursued his dreams could be the exact same reason why Yunho wasn’t willing to risk that sort of treatment again when it came to deciding to leave or stay with SM. Many have commented that Yunho is the type to (blindly) choose his family over his friends – having experienced the anguish of being exiled from his family by his own father, but now being back in his good graces again, Yunho may very well be terrified of ever doing anything that might possibly give his father cause to kick him out of the family again. The one time he did what he wanted to do for himself, his father punished him dearly. Not a happy or ideal way to live your life, but people & families are both complex, & the ties that both bind them together, & keep them apart, are even more so.
Sapphie-sister, you summed up my intuition about Yunho and his reasons very nicely 😀 thanks sis!
(Hope you saw anva’s shoutout in last gap, she missing you 😀 http://jyj3.net/2012/01/07/120107-jyj3-general-all-purpose-post#comment-278844)
I really have no problem with homin deciding to stay with sme. Different folks, different strokes. Who are we to say homin chose the wrong or right path for themselves? We know that JYJ chose the right path for them because it shows with the way they are now and how they interact with us. The thing that made me lose respect for homin is Changmin’s bashing of JYJ (am not sure if yunho also had his share of JYJ bashing) and of course their continued use of the TVXQ name. The use of the name is permissible but to claim TVXQ5’s achievements as if it’s theirs alone and celebrating TVXQ’s 8th anniversary with just the two of them is so distasteful.
I was actually hoping for something like “Since JYJ’s departure from TVXQ, remaining members homin have decided to … blah blah blah .. celebrating second year as TVXQ duo after JYJ’s departure….. ” but nothing like this sort can be seen from them.
Anyway, as I’ve said in my other post.
While sme is milking the tvxq name for what it’s worth, homin is slowly sinking into a place where they can no longer hold their pride and dignity. It won’t be long before these two get tired of the following:
1. trying to prove to everyone that they made the right choice
2. trying to stand out from the shadow of what was once the great TVXQ5
3. trying not to think of how things would have been if they left with JYJ
4. trying to assert themselves in the sme system and make sure that homin is not forgotten once new groups were launched and of course
5. try to fight the tinge of envy every time they would see JYJ basking in their freedom.
If this is the right path for them. I do wish them all the luck.
@teya: “While sme is milking the tvxq name for what it’s worth, homin is slowly sinking into a place where they can no longer hold their pride and dignity. It won’t be long before these two get tired of the following:”
THIS!
I agree w/ all your points. This is a road spiraling downwards tbh. But they made their bed, they must now lie in it. *shrug*
@koreamom
” i do understand wanting to keep the name etc. but it just isn’t worth giving everything up for something that is forever changed from the original.”
But if I’m understanding this correctly, it was SME who “wanted to keep the name” by hanging on to Homin! The five members owned the name. If all 5 had left together, their name would have gone with them. SME wanted to keep the name and continue exploiting it for as long as possible until fans finally realized it just wasn’t the old DBSK anymore. Who knows what they did to convince Homin, their parents or what they promised all of them. But some unholy bargain was struck obviously.
Exactly.
agree what you said (Who knows what they did to convince Homin, their parents or what they promised all of them. But some unholy bargain was struck obviously.)
@kris agree 100%
Agree
@koreamom
“i love yh and cm as i love jyj but i just don’t understand their decision to stay now after all that has happened. why choose bondage to freedom.”
Some people prefer/feel safer in an environment where they are told what to do, what to believe, what is right. Whereas others need the freedom to think for themselves, to do what they themselves feel is right.
true and the future was very uncertain if they chose to leave. they have their reasons that we may never really hear and i will respect their rights to choose as much as jyj.
@lilibaiyu~ true. guess we will never know what went on behinds closed doors.
From Puppet to HUMAN
JYJ now are freer and more happy
Reunion?
As friends or as group, that’s hard to see now as Ilog Pasig.
well for me, as friends maybe still can but for as group…. i don’t think so because there are so many complicated matter around them and it’s really difficult to be happen
maybe… someday… when all wounds are healed
Remember Junsu statement in guerilla date, “we hope someday we can come back singing as five”. although he did not mention the name that they will use. from his statement i believe JYJ still want to do a performance with HoMin. (but i believe too, JYJ will not return to SM).
as friends maybe they still can reunited..but it will take time. As group? nooo.. I don’t think so. As I said, they already on different paths.
they’re indeed on a different path now..
Maybe I’m pessimistic, but I don’t see the possibility of a reunion even as friends.
Our boys’ path split up long ago.
A friend in need is a friend indeed. Where were Homin when JYJ faced so many problems? Hidden in the womb of their management company. JYJ couldn’t count on them. Homin never helped JYJ, rather the opposite …!
JYJ struggled hard, they swam counterflow and finally they can rais their head proudly and enjoy their freedom.
We all know our boys have a great and warm heart , but thinking that 2 years of bitterness and mortifications could be forgotten in favor of old sweet memories, IMHO it’s simply an utopian fiction.
@Ellis
“Our boys’ path split up long ago. A friend in need is a friend indeed. Where were Homin when JYJ faced so many problems?”
I’m with you. I don’t happen to have any of the warm ‘n’ fuzzy slogan-rich fantasies about the five that the Cassies now wandering in the wilderness do. Homin showed JYJ how completely unnecessary they really were in just about every department.
@Ellis
My thought exactly…
and utopian fiction…I don’t know why others can’t accept the fact that no matter how strong the bonds, it could still be broken. If a marriage of 20 years or more can still end up in separation/divorce, how much more of that less than a decade friendship. Some said we should not underestimate the TVXQ5 friendship, but as far as I can see and feel, from the start of the lawsuit till now, I haven’t seen any spirit of friendship those 2 for JYJ, what I see are anger, hatred and an alliance to destroy their supposed to be closest friends. YH even said to JYJ : “just settle your differences with the company, we’ll wait for you to come back to TVXQ/SM” , that only shows that the great leader of TVXQ never has a slight sympathy to JYJ’s plight and never give credit to the CAUSE JYJ is fighting for. Then can anybody tell me, where’s the essence of friendship Homin has for JYJ?
Reunion? I personally never want it!
@ kris A++++++++++++++++++++++++++
@Kris..
There’s a reason I keep falling for a person with the name Kris*SLASHIII*Chris ^____^
Agree with you, I think become a friend again would be difficult for them since just like JJ said to much misunderstanding, and need from HM side too for this coz untill this day i just see from JYJ side or mostly JJ who try to speak to HM.
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and remember that we are JYJ’s fans not SM’s Fans
I do not believe in any reunion either. JYJ and that Homin are too different. They had chose to go different paths, separately. Even a non-fans can see that. About friendship, oh please, after what they had said and done to JYJ, the so-called deep friendship already had cracks and it will fall into pieces in no time or it already broken into smithereens.
And why will those trouble makers OT5 will beg, scream their own AKTF, keep reminding themselves that they are Cassie and selfishly wants them to be TVXQ5 again? Because they want to cling onto such hope they know it won’t come.
@kris
You are the truth.
@Ellis,
I agree with you. Friendships can be damaged or severed at any time despite how long they’ve been together, and there’s has suffered a ton of stress. I just can’t see them being friends, or at least not in the way they were before, way too much has happened
@ellis
not pessimistic or losing hopes, but realistic right?
we are forming opinions base on what we heard, read and witness these past few years.
@kris
hug kita pwede? 🙂
@Simon Says….your TROLL-pants are showing, as well as your stupidity. HoMin made their choices as GROWN ASS MEN…deal with it….and move on. ಠ_ಠ # ◄—-stank. eye.
oohh sally, i wanna know what simon said, could u sum for me?? i miss it.. is he bash JYJ?
@sally_b
I like your emoticon ^^
Superb comment to kill trolls kekeke!
@Putrihs and Cat95 – our lovely Admins took-out the troll….so I think it would be impolite of me to re-speak.
The end-game is ~~~~…troll Be gone ~ hahaha.
exactly cuz of their choice, you can see Homin became close and though look close, just as dbsk split, they might one day as they really look like their success affects them rather than how they got there. they knew dbsk was awesome and thought in a way they should wait for it, dumb. changmin said he dated a girl in 2009-2010 ish, wow i was amazed, how can our cute shy changmin date someone in that dark hour of their time when jyj left and suffered? also im not gonna bash him, but homin did REALLY take loong time to comeback sooo it means they even dont’ wanna return to jyj, just sm makes them say that on tv to lok nice. from 2 years ago, every interview or show from jyj showed you they looked sad and had sympathy for homin as they looked like lost kids stuck in a whirl pool pool of sm jyj found a way to leave and wanted to save them, not caring for money or fame but as brothers cuz if they wanted fame, they got it and are rich, giving away so much crazy money everytime to donate and help, this shows you they not only found freedom from sm but joy in life as artists. they can smile at crazy fans online when annoyed by them outside of their homes cuz theyre so happy, they can’t be mean to fans who annoy them and jst laugh so much, ( a person can’t pretend to smile, its from the heart, they gave up, let us do it too.) jyj 2012 fighting, hope jaejoong doesn’t go to army this year cuz you can go even at 30 like hyunbin and not now. I hate how koreans add 1 more year to a persons life ( so sad, not only americans, but across the world pple use the same meathod for age counting than asians. he is 27 this year in february but 28 in korea sad, your young jj. a year is 12 months so a child born in january 1st i unerstand but someone born in june for example shouldn’t have that year added to their life as being 1 years old already but til next june. jyj fighting
agree.
I think it’s probably time to let go of hopes for a reunion, it can’t happen now and I’d like the boys to move on as JYJ without people bothering them about reuniting all the time. If it does happen, it won’t be for a long time anyway IMO
” If it does happen, it won’t be for a long time anyway”
Exactly what Yoochun said in one interview.
Yeah, if one lets go of this reunion hope, then they won’t be confused anymore .. and they’ll know who’s side is right. I am indeed glad that I’m not seeing “I miss homin.” anymore from our boys. These statements raises the hopes of others. I love yuchun’s statement which is similar to something like “the thing with homin is not something that can easily be fixed, whatever happens, happens.” For someone who was quite emotional in the past, I think chunnie has had enough and has learned to let go. 🙂 I think it’s the same with jae and su. Our boys are happy and at peace now. Thank God.
thanks again for the translation guys!
SME only has Promotional rights for the usage of “TVXQ” not that they own it! No wonder they were so keen on trademarking the hell out of all their remaining artists(what afraid they will bail on/leave your asses SME?? xD)….. So the only way to promote as TVXQ would be under SME or go to court to claim promotional rights for TVXQ like Shinhwa did (JYJ the geese, wouldn’t ever sue those 2 moral and perfect angels in OT5 lala everything is covered with unicorn and rainbows land~) . But JYJ is like HELL NO to going back to SME (I mean who gives up freedom for restraints???) and HM are hell bent into thinking they are protecting TVXQ….(highly doubt that because if HM had chosen to start over as HM or something else entirely from TVXQ (or just to show some sort of gratitude of what the FIVE of them did to get TVXQ where they were at the peak of their ladder) they would be worthless to SME’s pockets)
“if HM had chosen to start over as HM or something else entirely from TVXQ, they would be worthless to SME’s pockets” – this, exactly what happen, they are afraid that they are nothing without the name.
Am I a mean, heartless person to think that JYJ are perfect the way they are artistically as 3? And I would live it at that.
No you are not mean sister!
I also think that JYJ already perfect just the way they are right now.
@daebaksama I am with you in this. I like JYJ and could live with that. Even when they were still 5, I would always look forward to JYJ’s lines in their songs, kept repeating them. Then while watching DBSK5 concerts on DVD, I would rewind JYJ parts, skip on Homin solos, etc. I dont’ even like the song Mirotic coz Jaejoong had few lines. So yeah, I’m so fine with just the 3, they’re the best. It’s a personal choice.
me too, Then while watching DBSK5 concerts on DVD, I would rewind JYJ parts, skip on Homin solos, etc. I dont’ even like the song Mirotic coz Jaejoong had few lines
@daebaksama
“Am I a mean, heartless person to think that JYJ are perfect the way they are artistically as 3?”
You and me both, girlfriend. I don’t want a reunion. What for? Homin have ruined themselves in my eyes with their cruel remarks and collusion with SM. I’m done with them.
i want JYJ as 3…. FOREVER!!!!
don’t care about reunion.
i love JYJ as JYJ!
Two thumbs up!
d(⌒^⌒)b
COUNT me in, even if others will call use MEAN…
and like @cakestar, even before the TVXQ drama, watching/listening to TVXQ5 songs, I’m more to hear JYJ’s voices and I even shy away or lower the volume at CM screams and high notes. I’m a ballad lover person, JYJ’s voices have the best register on my ears (not counting how my eyes are satisfied), so YES, I only want JYJ !
Call me a heartless person, I was not even sad and mourning O.o
@daebaksama If you said that you are mean and heartless then I am much evil with darkness, buhahahaha!!! They are 3 as JaeChunSu (JYJ) and always will be ^___^
awww, you guys are so mean …. but then, that would mean I am too hahaha.. at this point, i see no benefits in having the five united .. (it would benefit homin though, kindda up their value, but nothing whatsoever for JYJ) 🙂
Though I really hope the five can slug this out once and for all. Have a no-holds barred talk or even a brawl if need be, so that any issues on the five would finally come to a close. Then JYJ and homin can just go their merry way.
i agree wit hyour previous ppoint, on twitter junsu said it was sad homin and they were together and would be togher FOREVER but sad how THEY stayed wit hthe ENEMY. sm artists like boa and shindong bashed at him back with mean things like they have a right to interfere with their group issues, they pissed me off. junsu never talked abt it again. later yunho tweeted even though he din’t say his name junsu, that how can he call him an enemy ( lee so man) who nurtured them and raised them as dbsk, that rude. ( oh my gOD) i was gonna rip yunho apart, this happended long ago in 2010. its just like movies and dramas, group wants to leave due to mistreatment of any kind while other half sees it but doeesn’t see it to leave and risk so much, in the end they turn on eachother even the public sees and get suporters on each side like enemies but deep down when all go home and lay down, a tear downs down their cheeks ” how did we lose eachother” this is human nature, ppple split and hate but not eachother but their choices and routes they took and not only that but why thry didn’t agree together. so no worries even as dbsk theyd leave eachother one day no by split but in life or death or age or having families and their music would en like other old group music pple today we see, but their brotherhood will return when everything cools down. it would be annoying if jyj since they have more albums and even coming, would stop and reunite and lose all those shootings shows songs as jyj. everything happend for a reason and they were smart enough to know when idols grow, artists come out and even if korea doesn’t care, the world will know them which is bigger
Haha not at all my friend, my friends and I all share the same sentiments as you. =)
@daebaksama
“Am I a mean, heartless person to think that JYJ are perfect the way they are artistically as 3?”
Nope! Actually, I think the 3 as JYJ are better artistically than TVXQ cause there is no dead weight for them to have to hold themselves back from or accommodate. Apparently in the Beatles, Ringo Starr wasn’t considered a great drummer, & without his knowledge, after he’d laid down his tracks, Paul McCartney would go back later & re-do them. But Ringo was their friend & an integral part of the band, so they weren’t going to kick him out, they carried him. But even if TVXQ5 were ever to re-unite, under any name, I don’t know how long JYJ would be happy to carry Homin for. Maybe when they first split up, it would have been a possibility, but now… Jaejoong, Junsu & Chunnie have total creative freedom now & they obviously relish it. Unlike what I’ve seen in Yunho & Changmin, they also have that creative drive, that need to grow & learn, to experiment, & to constantly keep working to improve. Whereas musically, Homin seem more than happy to stagnate. No matter how much you love them, to be professionally tied to people who can’t or won’t match your own talents, who want to stay tied to the ground while your own creativity is forcing you to fly – sooner or later something is going to give. As @Lilibaiyu once explained, vocally Homin will never be more than back-up singers in a group with JYJ. (Sorry to drag you into this Lils! 😉 )
Personally I think the break up of TVXQ was always going to happen, with or without SM. JYJ & Homin have basic fundamental differences, differences that became glaringly obvious when JYJ left SM & Homin stayed, differences that I believe would have pulled them apart even if all 5 had left SM together. Maybe it just wouldn’t have been so acrimonious.
@ Sapphire
It’s so true…indeed.
i didn’t know that the people on this site didn’t like tvxq
@fisdjf just let you know we are JYJ3’S FAMILY…
And you know what the meaning of “JYJ3”,right ?We loved the TVXQ,DBSK ,TOHOSHINKI when they were 5 members…,not now when they’re only 2 members who choose to stay behind with that company…The TVXQ with HM ,sorry,no comments here…
Isn’t it clear that it’s JYJ site? IT’S JYJ3. We support only Jejung Yoochun Junsu. We support JYJ .
actually almost people in here are ex-cassie and some people also knew about Jejung, Yoochun and Junsu through their solo activities like drama/musical or JYJ only but i’m sure there is cassie who just read in here and go or give some comment…oh and some us also still like to heard TVXQ (with 5 members) songs but not to TVXQ with 2 member..and like @jjlovejj said this is JYJ3 families
OK thanks. I just wasn’t sure. I don’t visit comments section often.
i am sorry to say this but i think your statement is quite wrong…please dear dont classified us all as dont like tvxq,that is too strongly sounded negative. here in JYJ3 we all LOVE JYJ very much. our emotion toward tvxq is very much differ for different person for their own opinion. if we talk about 5tvxq, there are a lot of us love them dearly and some just doesnt care. if we talk about the current one, there are some of JYJ Family knowing them just because they are a member in the same group where JYJ come from and because of the situation right now- blocking from the company and hurtful comment from both of them- they feel bitterness toward those two. some still support them and love them as individual or as the goup.some have move on.
like me have let go of the TWO because to me they are two strangers that dare to use the TVXQ name for their own benifits and just let their 3 brothers being bullied by the company that they look up like a family.
for the sake of the old time i do wish the two is succesful too. i do hope they can succes to perserve the name, fame and quality just for the tender feeling towards the name only.
I’m sorry. I phrased it wrong. I should have wrote SOME people.
i know wat you mean, homin like in could’ve told sm to not associste with jyj, its not like sm is gonna refuse and go after them, theyre part of sm and if they have issies with homin, their company would suffer just a little again. they can tell them to leave them alone and let them grow seperately as jyj doesn’t hurt homin either. and not saying they should do this cuz they love them but its the right thing to do. also sm knows jyj are better not cuz they left for rights but even in singing and what they do are just better than homin so they wanna build a hot wall in their way to lower their chances of being better without sm in charge. i don’t want jyj to perform on music shows but only on big awards cuz theyd be LABELED like other idols and put on the same variety shows as little kid idols whether by age or experience and jyj are not angels but just better and earlier, higher level boys, theyd suffer going to perform everyday on music bank and core and others, now theyre having personal free time and look at eachother as friends and musicians and get time to chat deeply while if they had same schedules to perform on music shows everyday like others, theyd only say hi and perform then run off to individual work. theyre free and happy and smarter sometimes they don’t lok korean but everyone in us as we all compare to them in a fun way
i dont dislike them
Chun introduced me to JYJ in 2010
they are just not on my radar at all.
exactly. *high 5*
I don’t hate them. I also don’t care about them.
I get to know JYJ because SKKS ..
me too
I know how great DBSK is in the past, but honestly I didn’t know them until I fall in love with YC’s drama and then YC inspired me to like JYJ more and more, and I begin to listen their hits from DBSK’s time. I like DBSK’s music too, but JYJ makes me feel their music showing their true artists.
I like TVXQ (the real one with Jae Chun and Ss’s voices), but I don’t like 2vxq.
Is it a crime? I believe not liking a group or persons is just normal, just like how I don’t like Justin Beiber songs, or I don’t like hard rock singers or how I dislike some personalities so I don’t care about them.
@kris
I don’t think anybody HAS to like anything they don’t really like. Anybody who tells you you HAVE to support Homin because you once liked TVXQ5 is just flat out wrong. You don’t have to like them if you really truly don’t. If these “You Have To Like Homin” people would just sit back and really examine their words I think maybe they might realize that they are ridiculous. This is MUSIC we’re talking about. People like what they like. Nobody HAS to like anything.
Anyone who says “But TVXQ/Homin is the exception to that rule” has been brainwashed by SM Entertainment for the purpose of continuing to get their money.
But no one is telling anyone to support anyone?
yes, i dont like them, just like i dont like suju and some other artist. =.= is it wrong? no! you dont have to like ALL kpop group out there =.=
@hana
So, so, so true. You don’t have to. Anybody who tells you you DO have to is full of it.
🙂
No one said anyone had to do anything. Read it again. It’s a declarative sentence.
@fisdjf
“No one said anyone had to do anything. Read it again. It’s a declarative sentence.”
No, not this time and I’m sorry I wasn’t as clear as I could have been. My post was a bit of a left turn based on things we’ve heard here so often in the past. You have to realize a bit of our short history to understand us here. 🙂 OT5s come here a lot and immediately start telling us how we “should” behave if we want to be considered true fans of The Five. We have to point out to people again and again that this is not an OT5 site it’s a JYJ site and we are in any case not particularly obligated to like anything that we just don’t like. I’ve been told countless times that I MUST “support all five” in their various pursuits. I feel this is wrong, quite ridiculous actually and so do a lot of others here. So that’s sort of the origins of my comment.
@lilibaiyu It’s okay I understand what you’re saying so you don’t need to apologise. I don’t usually read comments but I just didn’t know there was such a huge divide. I’m OT5 and I think anyone can support whatever they want. There can be civil debates and such but I just hope fans are not vicious towards each other. I wrote one statement that I thought was harmless and I can feel some harshness in some comments.
@fisdjf
” I don’t usually read comments but I just didn’t know there was such a huge divide. I’m OT5 and I think anyone can support whatever they want. There can be civil debates and such but I just hope fans are not vicious towards each other. I wrote one statement that I thought was harmless and I can feel some harshness in some comments.”
I think it’s gotta be really hard to come to a new List for the first few times and understand the “prevailing winds” right off the bat. What’s been happening here lately is that even though JYJ3 clearly states in the opening greeting that it is a JYJ3 only site (one of very VERY few of these, btw) we’ve been sort of getting inundated with OT5 drop-ins who show up, make rude comments or start telling us how we should think and behave and then leave again. Annoying, as you can imagine. So people can be really on edge here and that’s where the harshness comes from.
Personally I’m only interested in civil discourse, I don’t do fanwars and I’m not interested in name-calling but even I have on occasion “gone off” on someone who was just being argumentative to get a rise out of people. So stick around and sort of feel things out for a while. You’ll see we do include a wide range if ideas and opinions with only a couple of DON’Ts – no YunJae, ever and no rhapsodizing over Homin. There are lots of sites elsewhere to do that, believe me, where it’ll be just fine–mandatory even.
🙂
@fisdjf
@Lili’s not jumping all over you as such. As she said, we often get OT5’s telling us we need to love & support all 5. For the most part we TRY to be patient, but sooner or later one of us snaps & then our pent up frustration is released, not necessarily at the person the comment is directed too, but just in general cause we’re fed up with that kind of lecture. The same goes for me with Homin spazzers – I’ll ignore it for so long, then I’ll snap & go off… not so much cause I do or don’t like Homin, but because this is a JYJ site, & it irritates me when people disrespect the admins & the rules of the site.
You said yourself you don’t normally read the comments, so you had no way of knowing that there are many on-going conversations, & situations, in JYJ3 spanning a period of time.
i don’t like homin & no one can force me to like them,as simple as that.
“no! you dont have to like ALL kpop group out there”
and thank god for that, since honestly i really can’t stand k-pop LOL! It’s JYJ only for me!
Ditto!
JYJ and only JYJ!
Me too!!!
I didn’t say it was wrong.
i LOVE DB5K, i LOVE JYJ..i dont love the idea of Yunho and Changmin using the name TVXQ but i like some of their songs….but im JYJ biased xDDDD
@fisdjf This is a JYJ’s site named JYJ3. I am sure you have read the rules or you are like the others OT5 think this is just another site? Read the rules!
If you do not support JYJ, I think you shall not be lurking here and smash your heart.
i do support JYJ actually. i think you’re overreacting. telling someone to “smash their heart” isn’t so high and mighty because you think they don’t support JYJ. i think you need to check out your priorities.
sorry for this, i don’t know why some of us are hating on each other though we don’t even know each other, sorry and welcome to jyj3, don’t worry abt what anyone says, everyone here doesn’t hate homin but just hate what decision they made and therfore support only jyj. sorry for bad welcome. im sure everyone here just thought it was annoying a little cuz we love changmin and yunho but can’t stand them anymore. welcome to jyj3 and im im sure jyj would welcome you too lol
@hanna
” im sure everyone here just thought it was annoying a little cuz we love changmin and yunho but can’t stand them anymore. welcome to jyj3 and im im sure jyj would welcome you too lol”
Actually, I don’t love Homin (or hate them) at all, I am just no longer interested in following them, I am not entertained by their music or the sound of their auto-tuned voices. I am also not interested in looking at them. I think there are a LOT of people here on JYJ3 who are like me. Not all, of course. My reasons for feeling like I do are simple: I need to respect the integrity of the artists that I follow and enjoy. I’ve always been this way, my feelings on the subject started long before The Five were ever a group making albums as TVXQ.
Having said that, I also welcome fisdjf. I hope it’s a happy association, I hope you can scope out the landscape here and come to truly enjoy our no nonsense point of view. We are assuredly THE best site anywhere for up to the minute, what’s really going on – re: JYJ/Homin/SM.
Thanks for the translation.
“* The professor is mistaken here; SM does not own the trademark rights to 東方神起. ” ❤
I think it’s time to let go of hopes for a reunion, the reunion won’t be happen.
JYJ has fight against SM for more than 2 years. They already established themselves as JYJ which consist only three members. They already produced albums under JYJ’s . They already moved to a smaller but (much) better company, and I’m happy with the current JYJ.
Meanwhile, the current TVXQ also already chose their own paths which is choose to stay with SM.
Reunion wont be happen. Accept the truth. I’m sorry if I sound very mean.
the only ‘reunion’ i dearly long for…. is the one between JYJ and the tons of cash that SME owes them for blocking, for interfering with activities, for their (JYJ) years of hard work, for all the pain and suffering those bastards have inflicted on JYJ!!!
I’m saying! =D
@springbok7
Now THAT’S a reunion I’m up for!!!
How do you know a reunion won’t happen? How can you be so sure? Maybe it won’t happen soon, but there is still a chance.
@Al
“How do you know a reunion won’t happen? How can you be so sure? Maybe it won’t happen soon, but there is still a chance.”
I think that a lot of us here think this because we know a lot about all of the five guys’ current legal situation, their contractual ties and we can draw this conclusion based on a great deal of specific circumstances that have occurred, all of which point to the same thing. Do you have many of your other hopes and dreams in life pinned on things where there is a slim-to-none chance of something maybe happening sometime for no reason that anyone can say other then, well, because you want it to? This is called “magical thinking” and it’s not realistic. If you learn anything about DBSK’s stormy history with SM Entertainment you will see that Homin will not be going anywhere near JYJ, let alone performing with them for many many years to come, if ever, while of course making sure that Homin doesn’t really say that such is the case so fans like you will continue hoping and buying SM product. They also make sure OT5 fangirls keep saying to each other “Homin hasn’t really said anything so until they do, we’ll keep the faith.” It is nothing more or less than a supremely cynical ploy by SM, one of many, to keep you enthralled and buying their wares. Be smart and get the facts. Once you have them, you won’t wonder how we can be so sure.
I’m not think about facts and stuff. I’m just thinking about maybe a reunion in like 10 years. Like the HOT rumoured reunion.
If someone was to say “there is no chance AT ALL” then that’s “magical thinking”, as you put it.
I also don’t buy any “wares”/merch. I’m not a delusional OT5 fan. I’m just saying that people can’t be 100% that they won’t reunite and I know it’s not 100% that they will reunite, which is why I said there is a CHANCE that they will reunite.
@Al H.O.T Reunion??! when??!!
Say’s who?
Kangta!!One Of SME BoardDirector!!(while other members DIDN’T say anything abt it…but still…and im ‘still’ looking forward ‘when’ it will happened..) LOL
and i find IT FUNNY!!
Not only he said it ‘during’ SM-Issue-Rise..
THEN THAT HOW i see the “How-do-you-know-a-reunion-won’t-happen? How can you be so sure? Maybe it won’t happen soon, but there is still a chance…bla..bla…frendship..bla..”<-MANTRA comes up!!(by certain 'fans)
LOLOLOLOL
@EVIL IcEz’ LoRd
“THEN THAT HOW i see the “How-do-you-know-a-reunion-won’t-happen? How can you be so sure? Maybe it won’t happen soon, but there is still a chance…bla..bla…frendship..bla..”<-MANTRA comes up!!"
Honest to GOD, I wish there was something akin to a "Sell By" date on all of these mindless OT5 mantra/phrases… if only we could have SOME HOPE that at some future point in time they would STOP.
Like, "By June, 2015 We Will Officially Give Up Hoping That There's Gonna Be A Reunion." Wouldn't that be GREAT?? At least, give us something to look forward to…
2011 Taiwan TV top 5 CF kings Yuchun no1 English sub CR“w4nn:
Your post shall be at GAPP ^^
Thank you very much for translating this article.
One of my favorite points and most important phrases in this article ~ “recovery of freedom is indeed JYJ’s source of happiness”.
“But the real reason for which JYJ can be happy is that they can decide for themselves their activities. No longer having to follow unilateral activities under company’s decision, the recovery of freedom is indeed JYJ’s source of happiness”
THIS!!!
thanks for the translation, it’s really interesting and the professor really pointed so many facts except about the trademark rights to TVXQ……in my opinion, as friends maybe they still can reunited but as group i don’t think so…each of them has choose their own life path……those two choose stay with SM and JYJ also already established themselves as JYJ which consist only three membersand they look happy now with their decision
the real reason for which JYJ can be happy is that they can decide for themselves their activities. No longer having to follow unilateral activities under company’s decision, the recovery of freedom is indeed JYJ’s source of happiness. Without a management company, JYJ made an agency contract with C-JeS Entertainment that takes care of everything they need in their activities. Contrary to TVXQ days in which their activities were all under SM’s unilateral schedule, they have now all the rights to their activities. Now that they create and produce their own music, they want to be called artists. When they perform, have united activities, release albums, or have to do public activities, they don’t need to read anyone’s countenance, but instead have the right to decide for themselves. Giving up the original name and vested interests, they got freedom of thought and action in return. Isn’t it the thing that many K-pop’s musicians must dream of?
THIS!!!!
@ miaw. I agreed with you. I’m with Jae, Junsu and Yoochun since their debut in 2004. It’s their talent, committment and love for music that I love, not the band’s name. In fact , I was proud and happy when they decided to fight for their freedoom and belief. Now, they can fly high, be happy and free as bird in the sky. Their music and days in TVXQ is something I remembered and cherrished, but it’s their current and future work that I am following and appreciate… quote from one my favorite song : ” I will follow him, follow him wherever he may go… “.
[The professor is mistaken here; SM does not own the trademark rights to 東方神起 or “Dong Bang Shin Ki”. The Korean Patent and Trademark Office rejected SM’s trademark application because “The requested trademark filed by SM Entertainment is inextricably and intrinsically connected to famous a cappella dance and singing group members U-know Yunho, Youngwoong Jaejoong, Micky Yoochun, Xiah Junsu and Choikang Changmin and as such, under Trademark Act Article 7.1.6, this request cannot be accepted. End.”]
Question. Can this be used as a basis if JYJ decides to request an injunction on homin’s use of the name dong bang shin ki since the current dbsk is only composed of two and not five? Reasons for such request would probably be Homin’s ways of making it look that all of TVXQ5’s achievement are theirs alone. I mean, this won’t be the first since Shinwa was able to leave sme with their group name intact. Just asking 🙂
I think they could. SM cannot get copyright of TVXQ, so it belong to the 5 members. Furthermore, the current dbsk only consist 2 out of 5. Lol.
Well.. but I don’t think it’s necessary to fight the name, JYJ is great already and I like them as JYJ more 😀
im pretty sure they can.. but the Q is, are they really want it?
Remember, Jaejoong recently said “It annoys us when people say were the ex-members of DBSK. We are still members of DBSK.”… SM applied for the trademark rights of “DBSK” a couple of times but they were repeatedly denied since the 5 are strongly associated with the brand, meaning the 5 are the true owners of the name. Those 3 are really good guys. Their lawyers probably even coaxed them that they can sue Homin for still using their group name but they didn’t.
thats what i mean.. are they really wanna sue HoMin?
I don’t think they will. They’re too nice. They never said anything against Homin even after Homin bashed them on tv. They still value their past.
No. They sue SM. Not HoMin.
@pian I don’t want them to be too nice 😛 … let’s file for an injunction on the TVXQ name after we win the lawsuit .. hahahahah …
But yeah, seriously, I don’t think JYJ would do that. They are indeed too nice. And besides, let JYJ give the TVXQ name to homin as their all valentine-birthday-christmas gift to homin. Hehehehe.
Uhhhmmm ….It would be really nice if they would file an injunction. 🙂 Then homin would have to start from scratch like JYJ did. Would sm still back homin if they can’t use the tvxq name? hehehe
I am so bad. hahahaha.
I wish they sue Homin. Oh well, they don’t, alright.
@teya
Yes, they’re angels that at times it annoys me. 🙂 I don’t now if they’re just really well-mannered guys or they’re masochistic. After all the disrespect and hate they went through with some individuals (directly and indirectly), they still manage to be courteous to them.
@pian they can’t even get on TV.
@gigi: no, ur not mean..
but Remember Junsu
statement in guerilla
date, “we hope
someday we can come
back singing as five”.
although he did not
mention the name that
they will use. from his
statement i believe JYJ
still want to do a
performance with
HoMin. (but i believe
too, JYJ will not return
to SM).
as friends maybe they still can reunited..but it will take time. As group? nooo.. I don’t think so. As I said, they already on different paths. Guriella dates was happened like almost two years ago. A lot of things happened in 2011.
I don’t even want to remember about what JYJ have been through in 2011 (twitter attack, not a human, “after harvest the fruits they left” anyone?)
I remember this interview. Junsu kept on emphasizing their rights as Korean entertainers. To give them the opportunity to perform on tv in their own motherland. That statement of Junsu broke my heart then.
“Guriella dates was happened like almost two years ago. A lot of things happened in 2011.”
yes there are to many things happened , the KYHD things, the twitter convo things, that statement about some birds and inhuman things, etc yes to many actually and i think especially junsu must be really hurt because of that, coz when some reporter asking him in japan airport about yunho and changmin..he just smile and didn’t say anything about that.
because I believe, when Junsu said something it would hurt the five of them. I know about twitter, even Yoochun was puzzled why Junsu like that ..
I wish Yunho and changmin can be act more like junsu, HM didn’t talk to much about JYJ but when they talk about JYJ..sigh..if my bestfriend do something like that i think i would never forgive them especially because this is my bestfriend.
@Love_JYJ I highly doubt SM wants HoMin to talk about JYJ.
@ Al
are you sure coz it’s looks like SM allow them for bashing JYJ (in some HM interview and the famous that variety show with kang hoo dong) when JYJ didn’t even talk anything bad about HM, so yes just like you say “I highly doubt SM wants HoMin to talk about JYJ” but seems not like that with that if they wanna talk bad about JYJ.
@Putrihs
As many have mentioned, the Guerilla Date was nearly 2 years ago, & A LOT has since happened, a lot that could have changed those sentiments of Junsu’s. Don’t hold the guys to things they said, thought & felt years ago, when the situation has changed so much that they MAY not feel & think the same way any more.
dear Sapphire, performance can be done through many ways, such as a duet. I’m not saying they will go back into one group. but somehow their friendship has existed for a long time. I just do not want them to hate each other.. bcause is not their personality.
“I just do not want them to hate each other.. bcause is not their personality.” — Not their personality? Whose personality do you mean? I do not me forget how Changmin and Yunho personality shows when saying things regarding JYJ on television shows.
@Puti: sorry, because the replay is too long. I think it’s not wise to judge someone’s personality just from one word that they incur. we do not know what’s on their minds. I do not expect them to easily forget about their problems and re-reconciled.
if you consider the words that Junsu issued is only his sentiment, what if it turns out the words that HoMin issued also their emotion? I’m not OT5, I know how to be a realistic. but I’d be very happy if the five of them do not hate each other. 🙂
however, life is about to forgive each other rite?
@Puti
““I just do not want them to hate each other.. bcause is not their personality.” — Not their personality? Whose personality do you mean? I do not me forget how Changmin and Yunho personality shows when saying things regarding JYJ on television shows.”
@Puti — Exactly my same thought. “Not their personality??” What version of YH&CM has Putrihs been observing?? Not the one I have and most of us here have not been able to escape noticing.
Dear friends, PLEASE do not color these young men with your OWN emotions and tender feelings. It will do nothing but give you a very distorted view of reality. It will not actually change anything and you’ll be one of the Idle Hopers instead of someone with their head on their shoulders. A life and a future that does not include a reunion for JYJ is a perfectly acceptable and vibrant reality, full of promise of great achievement. WHY do you want to get in there and mess with it??”
@lilibaiyu
could u check my previous comment, which located right above your comment. thank you .. 🙂
@Putrihs
Hi,
OK, I did do that but honestly, I’m not sure what your point is…. Could you maybe be clearer?
🙂
@lilibaiyu: as Chunnie said in one his interview, “only time can resolve this misunderstanding”. maybe that time does not come quickly. but I hope when the time comes, they could face each other with a better soul not as a group, cause they’re all indeed in a diff path now, hut as a human and friends.. i think im chunniesm.. :p
@Putrihs
“as Chunnie said in one his interview, “only time can resolve this misunderstanding”.”
Yes, I do remember seeing that interview–I remember seeing him say that. My gut reaction to it at the time? Chunnie was just being diplomatic. He was being polite. As I’m sure you’ve noticed, these 3 men are unfailingly deferential in all situations. Look at what just happened with the KBS icon award. If that had happened to a rock band in the U.S of similar stature to JYJ, I swear those KBS people would have been kicked down the stairs, their box of health tonics aimed at their heads!
I think that all three members have made a vow to do what they can to woo old fans of DBSK over to JYJ and court many new fans right now–I think they are doing everything they can not to upset or marginalize ANY of their fans right now.
My feeling is that Junsu and Chunnie especially have HAD IT with Homin. I think they feel betrayed (and I happen to think they were too) and then were accused publicly of being the betrayers! They are young men and young men think and feel very differently than you and me. My earlier point was that we cannot over-lay the feminine mind onto these three 26 year old men and expect an accurate reading of their feelings.They think differently–they think like young men.
Yes, they are polite in all situations in front of their fans–that’s just who they are–but that may be the exact extent of the “good will” for right now. And my intuition is that Junsu and Chunnie are damned mad at Homin and will not consider a reunion or a collaboration any time soon. Jaejoong is the wild card here–I’ll give you that. But I’m pretty sure he would never try to push a situation on Su and Chun–his first loyalty now is solely with them.
As far as the future is concerned, what sense does it make to begin talking about things that may happen 20 years in the future, if at all? Who knows where any of us will be in 20 years? I am leaving the far distant future of JYJ in JYJ’s capable hands. That is theirs, it belongs to them, I do not plan to meddle in any way whatsoever in it.
@lilibaiyu:so.. let the time will heal it..:)
i don’t think theryre dumb enough to leave such a beautiful fame and 2 brothers and go through crap just to return one day smiling, theyre like other groups in the world who split and will one day acknowledge that and forgive eachohter and be a present in each other’s lives like in the future s older men. homin returned with an album and its not because we love those who fight for their rights that we;re all on jyj side but because they would’ve been stuck to normal everyday schedules that you can’t tell if theyre idols like the ones today ( coming out after tvxq split meaning alot of years of experience in between) or true grown artists like in the world, young boys and girls grow up evry year to try and expand their level of proffesion, music. THUS I HOPE THEY NEVER RETURN JST FORGIVE EACHOTHer AND UNITE THAT WAY. Also, we love them together cuz of their brotherly love no other group has, even in the world i think as groups are only in music together so as long as their brothers and chat once in a while being part of each other’s lives, no worries as theyd never be toghether FOREVER ANYWAY. these boys were once young and idols, now theyre men and should become ARTISTS. HOMIN though they think theyre ok theyre not as the word IDOL ( Small boys) will stick with them, LISTEN to TVXQ’s HOW CAN I song, you’ll literally cry eyes out as their vocals are insane, i don’t think kpop artists have that, just dance for attention and they don’t focux more on singing rather on being cute hot or sexy ( not the point of the word SINGER) SO THEYVE LOST THEIR ABILITY AND CHANCE TO BE LIKE WORLD STARS TODAY THAT ARE EVEN KNOWN IN SMALL POOR VILLAGES DUE TO FAME. THEY CHOSE IT AND I”m DONE WITH THEM HELLO 2012 JYJ
i ALMOST PUNCHED THE SCREEN WHEN I SAW CHANGMIN SMILING AND SITTING NEXT TO LEE SO MAN< HOW CAN HE? NOT CUZ OF JYJ ISSUE BUT BECAUSE THAT MAN GAVE THEM EVERY BIT OF FAME THEY HAD< TRAINED THEM <GAVE THEM ALL THE GOOD SONGS GAVE THEM BETTER OPPORTUNITIES THAN OTHER SM IDOLS BUT HATE HIM BECUZ HE ISN'T LETTING THEM BE TOP THE ARTIST OF HIS COMPANY BUT RATHER JUST LIKE EVERYONE IN SM WHO I MEAN WHO THE HELL WOULD EVEN COMPARE THEIR LEVELS OF THOSE YOUNG IDOLS TO THE KINGS OF KPOP< KPOP GOT FAMOUS CUZ OF THEM< OTHER GREAT PPLE BEFORE THEM GOT OLD AND STOOPED IN THE 1990s AND EARLY 2000s ANYWAYS WE ALL KNOW THEIR HIGH LEVEL OF AMAZINGNESS SO HOMIN SHOW EVERYONE THEY JUST DON'T CARE I KNOW THEY LOVE AND RESPECT THEIR JYJ BROS BUT IT WASN"T ENOUGH. HOMIN IF YOU EVER WATCH EVEN A LITTLE CLIP NEVER LOOKED TOO MUCH NOTICED OTHER TNAN YUNHO'S DANCING CHANGMIN HATED ATTENTION EVEN IN SHOWS< THEY SPLIT ACCURATELY AND THEY WERE JUST A GROUP NOT A LOVE COUPLE SO NO NEED TO GO NUTS. FUNNY HOW THEY WERE THE FIRST GRP TO EXPAND FAME IN KOREA THAT HIGH AND HOMIN NOW EVEN IN 2012 KEEP GOING BACK AND FORTH TO JAPAN WHICH ISN"T THEIR HOME AND ARE GREATLY #1 THERE, BUT THEY JUST FOLLOW AND NEVER SAY WE'VE BEEN ARTIST LONG ENOUGH TO DISTANCE OURSELVES FROM YOUNG IDOLS AND SHOW OUR TRUE COLORS TO REST OF WORLD. YOU SPREAD TO NEW PLACES WHEN DONE WITH ANOTHER PLACE RIGHT? HOPE BOTH SIDES SUCCESS
ummmm…Are you crazy or something?
There is really no need to write everything in ALL CAPS.
I listened to “How can I” (album version) and it was nice but umm..”insanely good vocals”….I don’t think so especially when you hear them live. Changmin’s lines make my ears cringe. It would be nice if he learned to round out his vocals but I suppose his “charm” is that he won’t or rather can’t.
Clearly you are concerned with Homin’s spot as the top dogs in “too-cheap-for-pretty-much-anything SME” and ummm….the typical JYJ fan can only shrug at your concerns since Homin chose this for themselves. Lets be honest..if they could conquer new waters as you seem to be suggesting then SME would have banked on that the minute JYJ left. They haven’t. Why? Maybe (just a thought) SME aren’t saving the best for last but rather that was the best Homin could offer. I gotta say SME knows the game. I’m sure they hooked up enough “new fans” and banked on the loyal Japanese BigEast to make it…..oh….wait…there goes 748% of the profits on promotions. Oh well at least they get to split the remains 50-50 instead of 20% right? YAY!!! GO OPPAZ!!!! FOREVER!
Brotherly love…yeah OK.
Sweetie, BoA is a shareholder in the company. She will still be making a boatload of money even if she never released an album again. Not everyone goes into the music industry because of their love for the art, some also want to make money as a primary objective. I believe BoA may be in the latter category.
Thank you, Admin. This commenter’s post were beginning to piss me off. I hate it when all the new HoMin fans come in here all warrior-like to defend their idols by rehashing misinformation about JYJ that has long been cleared up.
Thanks from me as well….I admit that I haven’t been the best at *with-holding anger* this evening. I’ve been sitting in the front row…following ALL JYJ related events for 2 years now.
There are times …after reading the SAME SHITE over & over…that I just blow a nerve. Endless websites are available for SM fans & 2VXQ ‘ers….and pretty much only ONE (the best, anyway) ….for JYJ.
THE TOP OF THE PAGE…says everything any visitor needs to know.
….bangs head on keyboard.
(sigh)……think I’ll go grab a shot of Soju. 😉
@HannaJYJFAN
Please….refrain yourself from spamming about HoMin…my child..!!! You’ve read the rules, right ?? You did read it thoroughly, right..???
Giving up the original name and vested interests, they got freedom of thought and action in return. Isn’t it the thing that many K-pop’s musicians must dream of?…..yes…it is what thwy want?but heve any of them really can do that thing?this is what a reason why i support them。jyj daebak…..long live jyj.
I like the then TVXQ(5) HoMin because they were good friends with JYJ, but they seem to lack the courage and kindness JYJ possess. Yes, they lack the courage and kindness that JYJ have. What a shame, they “could have had it all”.
But, if JYJ are willing to reunite when HoMin finally get wiser and leave SM (I know, not likely), then, JYYJC!
^This.
K I’m about to read all three parts since everything’s up now.
I have followed TVXQ5 since 2007. I liked their interactions as 5. But when HoMin debuted as TVXQ2, I felt the name “TVXQ” does not hold the same meaning for me anymore. I often wonder why. In my opinion, the atmosphere surrounding the 2 members can’t never reach the peak when it was 5. Things are just so different. Please excuse the clarity as it is hard to translate feelings into mere words.
I have no issue with the name “JYJ” as it is a new branding. And if I delve deeper into it, I feel JYJ gives a more family-like feel and actually reminds me more of “TVXQ” than HoMin. In this sense, eventhough the 3 members do not retain the name of “TVXQ”, they undoubtedly hold the soul of “TVXQ”. At the same time, I also acknowledge the fame and success of TVXQ5 belonged to and are attained by all 5 members as a whole and not single individual.
@Timenagain
“I have no issue with the name “JYJ” as it is a new branding. And if I delve deeper into it, I feel JYJ gives a more family-like feel and actually reminds me more of “TVXQ” than HoMin. In this sense, eventhough the 3 members do not retain the name of “TVXQ”, they undoubtedly hold the soul of “TVXQ”.”
I agree with you. JYJ is the BEST of TVXQ on a wide variety of levels. Only people completely taken up with nostalgia and “the good old days” (which really weren’t very freakin’ good for the guys!) will passionately dispute this. I understand that they want very badly to turn back time, really I do. But time does not have a watch stem that can be used to make the good old days reappear again. Time doesn’t allow itself to BE turned back and maybe for good reason.
The members of JYJ aren’t those cute kids anymore either. They are young men who each have serious artistic goals they wish to pursue and have realized, now that they have found out in technicolor that they can HAVE literally anything they dream if they are willing to work hard enough for it. Mind you, at SM when they were working as hard as their poor young bodies would allow, ANY ONE of their real dreams was beyond reach. Yuchun was worried about being able to stay in the home he’d gotten for his mom and brother, for heaven sakes!
Well, NOT ANY MORE he’s not. Each if them can do what they want and be celebrated and handsomely paid for his efforts. Going back in time would be an almost laughable idea to them now.
Sure, eventhough the 3 members do not retain the name of “TVXQ”, they undoubtedly hold the soul of “TVXQ”. At the same time, I also acknowledge the fame and success of TVXQ5 belonged to and are attained by all 5 members as a whole and not single individual.
“eventhough the 3 members do not retain the name of “TVXQ”, they undoubtedly hold the soul of “TVXQ”
AMEN.
I agree
thanks for the translation and i commend the professor on a job well done, except of course, for the little tvxq mistake ^_~
i use to love all 5 of tvxq since “hug” and “balloon” days, until homin went on a tv show and tried to put all the blame on JYJ for leaving, like it had to do with them being greedy ~~ yeah, rite ~~ at that moment i lost all respect and feelings i had for homin!!! U could tell they were kissing up to sme and didn’t care if they were throwing their bros under the bus!! with friends like that, who needs enemies???
then when Junsu voiced his opinion in a tweet, all the lifelong so-called friends (that are with sme), attacked him, like saying Junsu was betraying his father, (PSM aka PMS) i was thoroughly disgusted!!! i will not watch or listen to anyone associated with sme ~~
homin made their bed, now they can lie in it, so to speak AND i hope sme all burn in hell!!!
JYJ FIGHTING!!! JYJ FAMILY FIGHTING!!!
“i hope sme all burn in hell!!!”
I can’t even sum up that kind of anger anymore…I think that is a good thing. I’ll just watch SME family release their music albums until some scandal comes along or some investigation comes through incriminating SME…OH!!! Better yet! LSM in a black bikini surrounded by young idol girls….caught on camera!!! Woot!!!
…..I’m just waiting…any day now…
re: LSM in a black bikini surrounded by young idol girls” …..ewwwwww……..just got a visual.
ಠ_ಠ —► CAN’T UN-SEE.
hahahahah!
(give a girl some warning, eh?)
p.s. An Ego like LSM’s leaves me to speculate that his desire to have the *affections* of his underlings/children does not neccessarily confine itself to gender concerns. He’s just a creepy-creepy McCreeperson. (shudders)
“re: LSM in a black bikini surrounded by young idol girls” …..ewwwwww……..just got a visual.
ಠ_ಠ —► CAN’T UN-SEE.”
me to, and remains me with some pic when he hug boa, maybe like that lol
@MIA2 ~~ thanks, i needed that, cuz the more i thought about PMS the madder i get and U made me laff out loud!!! ^_~ i shudn’t let him get me all worked up again ~~ thanks!! ^_~
Reunion? That was my hope after falling love with TVXQ5’s songs.Not renion,that is and will be for ever my hope after the lawsuit and everythingelse followed.
@JYJ3 authors — From my heart, thank you very much and a blessed joyful 2012! JYJ have made a choice, a decision to be free. I define freedom as absolute happiness. I choose them.
i would love them as 5 again but if that means jyj must back to SM THATS A BIG NO
I believe they have their own faith (but until now i dont understand homin faith to stay under sment), they took their own path so as fans i just support their decision and always love them
JYJ FIGHTING
I WAS a proud tvxq fan who bought all their albums, went to 3 concerts in Japan. NOW, I am an extremely proud JYJ fan who trust, respect, love them and vows to support them until kingdom come. TO EACH THEIR OWN NOW — JYJ and HoMin. I have moved on WITH JYJ. I buy all their albums, have gone to 3 JYJ concerts in the USA and Japan. I pray that they will always be safe, happy, healthy including their fans all over the world. When tvxq split-up, I felt a tinge of sadness for a few hours; then came such huge relief and joy. Fans said that JYJ shines on their OWN light and that they took with them the tvxq soul and spirit. Totally agree. They have proven that they don’t need that name anymore nor SM and sadly, not even HoMin. I just returned from Asia and this is only a discussion among fans/friends there (repeat —>only a mere discussion) that not only SM blocks JYJ from appearing on national TV but also the other 3 big agencies. Could be to keep their business intact and to teach/warn their own talents that tvxq split-up is not allowed to happen again? This theory could be wrong. HyunJoong, Big Bang and 2PM all confirm they are happy where they are. It got my Asian friends and me thinking that it’s only SM against JYJ. That’s fine, that’s all right. It’s JYJ with their fans around the globe. Keep the faith? Yes, I have faith in only JYJ. I hope Yoochun comes to this site… to see and feel the big warm JYJ3 love. He can help with the translations for his Jaejoong hyung and Junsu baby. Happy new year to all!
@Lexy Cheng
“I hope Yoochun comes to this site… to see and feel the big warm JYJ3 love. He can help with the translations for his Jaejoong hyung and Junsu baby.”
Me too! Chunnie will be very happy to read that not only the koreans and japanese fans but the international as well have wholeheartedly embraced them as JYJ.
Happy new year to you too dear! ^^
“Giving up the original name and vested interests, they got freedom of thought and action in return. Isn’t it the thing that many K-pop’s musicians must dream of?
YESSSSSSSSS, is the answer. By leaving SM the 3 tremendously grew as artists and created their own individuality by their new name JYJ.
No confusion whatsoever when you search google. I’m so happy to see the images of only the 3 when i search for photos of jyj (well there’s 1 or 2 slips but 98% is purely jyj). Try typing TVXQ and you get photos of the 5. 😀
this is Random.. is JYJ able to sing all.TVXQ song now?? i mean with all.that legal issue and the 2VXQ stuff..
i think they cant….if my guess not wrong..they dont want to sing eitheir..( not mean they dont want..they want but not at JYJ…They still respect TVXQ is a group of 5 pps) just my opinion!!
Are they able to sing TVXQ songs?
hmmm…technically with the declaration of the Korean Patent and Trademark Office, I think they can. It will come down to finalize on who will get the TVXQ brand once again and for all. I don’t think they want to do that now, besides, all hell breaks lose every time JYJ members sing their old songs, even if it’s just a verse..but not the other way around.
recently i came across a youtube video of yunho and changmin singing a song medley of stand by you and somebody to love. i don’t search for HoMin videos. i was trying to find a live performance of stand by u i watched in the past. i didn’t even know HoMin were doing that also! i knew they were singing Rising Sun and have sung tvxq mashups/medleys for concerts but this brought it home to me that HoMin are willing to sing all and any of the old songs to manipulate their fans as they please! the reaction from the audience was obvious. how can they feel good knowing that those cheers when they sing those songs are not for them but for what they were?
Back to your comment. it sickens me that HoMin practically sing the whole freakin song of Stand by U and many others. When literally all hell does actually break loose when JYJ sings like what? a sentence???
If HoMin sang the song, Stand By You, well, I might have let it go a little. But, they sang the song so atrociously, I had to listen to the all 5 version of it with JYJ’s voices to get the 2 version out of my brain. They should stick with their TVXQ2 songs, imho.
blame sm instead
“Blame SM” coz HM themselves cannot carry the tunes?
I didn’t know SM controls their voices as well….
@Shadow
““Blame SM” coz HM themselves cannot carry the tunes? I didn’t know SM controls their voices as well….”
My ninja! Good point. That video said everything people listening with their ears instead of their eyes should need to know what’s what. Homin people WANT to believe, for some reason that I can’t understand, that what IS, IS NOT.
In other words, that Homin, who are not lead singers, who cannot BE lead singers on their best day, are.
Homin themselves of course will show them this is true, in live performance, any time they are not lip-syncing. If people are listening with their ears and if they are not tone deaf.
maybe ‘blame sm’ for “making them” sing those songs in the first place? they make their own decisions concerning what they will do and what they will not in any given situation. every human being takes that responsibility over their own actions. From my own point of view I believe Yunho and Changmin have a lot more leverage (in terms of bargaining power) at SM than (maybe) they are aware or are willing to make visible to the public. simply because they are the only ones left from TVXQ that stayed. so (at this point in time) if they don’t want to do something who is going to force them?
JYJ can’t sing all TVXQ songs, because SM paid for and thus own the majority of them. However if JYJ want, they can take legal actions to claim their rights on the songs that they composed. I guess no one would want them to go through such troubles, but just imagine how nice it would be to hear songs like Wasurenaide or Kiss the Baby Sky again.. The current TVXQ obviously cannot pull them off because of their vocal limitations, so if JYJ can’t sing them, the songs will be forgotten forever. 😦
It just pains me that they can’t even sing their own compositions… So back then, Shinhwa filed a lawsuit against SM to claim the rights to their name and their songs and won? Or they had a settlement with SM?
I’m OT5.But I’m agree with you.The songs will be forgotten forever .Protect TVXQ’s name are impractical.
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owww. not again.
What is this??
because it hurts me when i saw SHINEe singing balloons with HoMin, because i’ve read that JYJ can not sing the songs of TVXQ, even song which their own creations at the time they were joined by AVEX.
they probably couldn’t yet as final verdict that includes provisions on copyrights have not been settled yet.. I just wish they could sing even just the ones JYJ members composed like Wasurenaide but I doubt that even JYJ could that they wouldnt.. Jaejoong said that the songs even if he composed or written them does not belong to him.. but the songs belong to the five of them .. and that singing it will be a disrespect to the fans who loved them as five..
though Jae to me when giving statements like this makes my heart break for him because i wish the two have the same level of conviction and respect.. All I can do for him is support JYJ with all my might so that we could put JYJ’s name on top and prove the whole Korean Industry and the world that standing for what is fair is never wrong.
So copyright for their songs is also an inclusion to the lawsuit they have against SM?… What amazes me is that the songs by JJ & YC (Wasurenaide, Kiss the baby sky, evergreen, love bye love, etc.) were created to accentuate the vocal strength of each member. Thus, it would be hard for Homin to nail those songs by themselves.
not sure if the songs were specifically included in the settlement but based on my limited understanding on the case.. If JYJ filed for the invalidity of their contract then all the provisions that goes along with the contract should become invalid, isn’t it? And I do remember like @coffee craze that SM holds rights to the songs they have written while under contract.. so if contract is invalid that should mean SM does not own the songs anymore.. not unless SM bought the songs from JYJ and filed for copyright ownership under the company’s name,, ? i hope someone who have in depth knowledge to clarify..
oh yes, I remember now…the contract they signed with SM also stated that their works either composing/writing/drawing, etc.) belong to SM….argh, one of the main reason I support their lawsuit.
jenknight18
I see. That’s logical. If Jaechunsu win the lawsuit then the contracts they signed will be ruled as null and void.
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@Simon Says
I don’t know how t explain it but i believe you’re wrong in so many ways. Why would JYJ return the earnings they had as TVXQ for those many years? that’s just so stupid.
@Simon Says
Have you ever gone to work in your life?
Did SM pay JYJ to sit around doing nothing back in the TVXQ(5)?
SM has worked those kids like there is no tomorrow for LSM’s pockets.
Did those kids do nothing when they were at SM? Did they just eat and play and receive paychecks from SM?
Why does JYJ have to return their earnings from the old days? You go to work to get paid, you don’t get paid enough, you sue the boss, now he wants you to pay back all that you earned and all the money the company would’ve made if you didn’t quit. Very funny.
You should try to get a job, work yourself to a zombie and return the money you earned plus the money they expected you to earn, after you have done that, then come back here and tell me, how do you feel?
Simon says huh? Appropriate name for a pathetic monkey that clearly has never done an honest day’s work in his/her life. Once you stop living off mommy and daddy, grow a few brain cells and cut your hair then come back and share your opinions.
what.?? return the eaning for SM…omennmmm..what is she coming from??
JYYJC
that should be the right order, by oldest to youngest…
(or CJYYJ, but I recall Jae refer to himself as the first J of JYJ ^^)
Sure, in your dreams only.
Hi, I’m not really new here since I’m always visiting this site for almost a year now. (so basically since this site started)
But this is my first time writing a comment for a post. I’ve always been reading posts but I guess this post by the professor what really sums up what JYJ fans is seeing, feeling and experiencing write now. So I thought that this will be the appropriate time to post
a comment. And I think this will be a long one. 🙂
I’ve been a TVXQ/DBSK fan since January 2004. I’ve watched them while browsing channels and accidentally landing on Arirang and it happens to show “Pops in Seoul” and during that time they were being interviewed for their debut song, Hug. I was attracted to Hero, well I’ve known them first by their English names since that’s what’s written on the subtitle.
I lose some interest in them when I heard the rumor in early 2005 that they will get disbanded or something. Since I’ve just experienced a heartbreak because of the disbandment of my previous favorite band (a1) I’ve decided that I should just let go while it is still fresh and I haven’t invested much time and feeling for them. And during that time, I was just a Hero fan and not yet a TVXQ fan.
I am in hiatus for almost 2 years. Then something happened that made me go back to liking Kpop and eventually landing back to TVXQ. I returned right before they released Mirotic. And during that time, I regretted the time that I am on hiatus since I’ve missed so many things from them. I became a full-blast TVXQ fan and Junsu became my bias due to so many reasons.
I was really shocked when I heard that JYJ filed a lawsuit against SME. I was in denial for quite a long time. I was just hoping back then that they will eventually be back together as 5. I am on that state until JYJ released their album “The Beginning”. It just dawned on me that there’s no turning back. But during that time I’m still a full blast OT5 fan and I thought that taking JYJ’s side is like betraying DB5K.
What made me decide to take JYJ’s side was during the time that a report was released that Homin said something against JYJ. I realized that Homin became a puppet of SM. I don’t want to defend Homin act since I know that they’re already adults who can make righteous decisions on their own.
To sum up my very long comment, I’m still a DB5K but I don’t regret taking JYJ’s side. I’m enjoying being their fan and JYJ’s dedication and love for their fans made me realize that I made the right choice. 🙂
nice to hear that testimony from you.. it’s really refreshing when we let go of the burdens of the past.. I think that is why JYJ is lighter and happier now is that they finally decided to moved on and be freed from the burden that they caused dissapointment to their fans. JYJ love their fans so much that when they see fans being happy for them and their decisions they were able to breath relief that they can start anew and still make the people who love them since 2004 happy with the new brand they offer that is JYJ.. only the group name changed but judging from the old videos.. Jaejoong, Junsu and Yoochun were the same playful people who are hardworking and are fun on /off camera.
It’s not that they forgot the past.. I think they’ll forever cherish the wonderful memories of their friendship, hardship and experience as DB5K but at some point they should take away all the burden away from their shoulder and just move on and be happy.. OT5 should not pressure them anymore of reunion.. if it is destined to happen, it’ll happen but putting pressure on JYJ is like telling them that no matter what they do .. they could not start new and will just be forever under the shadow of the name DBSK..
For me as a new fan (post break up) all i want for them is to soar high cause they deserve that,, so it irritates me when old fans find it hard to set them free from the shadow of the old name.. I am happy for what they had.. but I believe with JYJ’s talent and good heart.. the best are yet to come and they deserve to get them and reach their full potential kekeke (sorry for the long post)
Agree. JYJ deserves all the compliments, awards and achievements that they received in 2011. They’ve worked hard for it. The thing that also makes me proud is the dedication of the fans, they really put an effort to make JYJ stand out and push through with everything that they do even though there are big obstacles along the way. This will never happen without the help and encouragement of both parties.
I know that many people will not agree with what I’m going to say and sometimes I’m doubting it too. But in the core of my fangirl heart, there’s still a tiny part of me that’s holding on the thought of the reunion of five. But I know that it will be impossible in the near future but I guess there’s nothing bad in hoping. 🙂
it’s okay to hope.. it’s your personal faith.. but what we wanted OT5 fans to learn is to not force it into JYJ as if it’s the boys’ sole responsibility.. just let them fly and let destiny surprise us..
I dont know maybe in some parallel universe.. I get to watch LSM admit he was wrong, beg in front of JYJ for forgiveness and let Homin go.. then Homin admit they made a stupid decision to even speak ill of JYJ on public and say sorry (pressured or not pressured it was their action so they could not make others apologize for it.. )
im in Jenknight18 side.. 🙂
“I’m still a DB5K but I don’t regret taking JYJ’s side. ”
THIS.
i love DB5K as much as i love JYJ ~ but only HM im sorry ~ i cant give that much of love
i always love DB5K and i still do ~ but i gotta admit im more to JYJ’s side ~
maybe cos i prefer their music, voices and genre more ~ + their are more dorky XD
and yes ! 東方神起 belongs to 5 members ~ jaejoong yoochun junsu yunho changmin =)
completely agree with this n.n
agree with this too.. 🙂
I don’t want to upset anyone but I’m happy with the way they are now. I don’t really miss tvxq5 anymore, I just want JYJ.
Since their official debut in 2010 until now, JYJ have been as successful as they were in TVXQ days. Until now, combining 2 studio albums, members’ solos, OST albums, concert albums, etc., at least 1,200,000 albums were sold. They have appeared in more than 10 ads such as being models for Lotte Duty Free. Not only publishing photobooks, a music essay, and DVDs, the members have also participated in a movie, musicals, and dramas. They had 33 concerts and showcases in total (including Live Concert in Japan, Worldwide showcases in 2010, World Tour concerts in 2011), mobilizing audiences greater than 550,000.
WOW didnt realized that all of it in what a year and a half?
IKR?!!!! ^______________________^ Phenomenal huh?!! 😀 😀 😀 (Not to mention that much needed holiday in Hawaii, & Chunnie’s ski boarding & sailing hols!!)
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LOOOL =)) =)) =))
Same could be said about those fraudulent OT5 sites
If that’s what “everyone” around you say, I can infer from what world you came from. ^^ And if your purpose of being here is simply to testify what you heard about this site, I can safely conclude that there’s absolutely nothing we can say to convince you otherwise. ^^ So just to make it easier for you, the exit sign is at the top left corner of your screen. (^_~)
Hahaha! Good one!
wow, i need a new dictionary. Mine is faulty:
indifference =/= hate
Indifference equates to irrelevance… Some stans lurk here since they still consider JYJ relevant to their lives, whether they admit it or not.
bye ^^
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Rebba = Simon Says
Another HM’s Fan pretending to be an OT5
Banned!
WTH! This is not an OT5 site. You think the writer’s bitter? I think you’re the one who sounds bitter. Are you trying to convince us, JYJ fans, that 2VXQ are as successful as JYJ OR are you trying to convince yourself that 2VXQ are still on par with regards to achievements?!
ahaha i think s/he sound bitter now anyway
I can wait to see the day when i see JYJ didn’t get banned again and can have a fairly competition with 2TVXQ and all idol now.
I can wait to see the day when JYJ can sings freely live in all music show especially in korean and japan.
I can wait the day seeing their ex-company ceo bitter and butthurt face when JYJ won this lawsuit,
etc
yes i can wait,
JYJ “Keep Your Head Up”
Whether TVXQ’s achievements are/or on par with JYJ’s, It’s still better to know both side of the stories than to just lean on one. Yes, this is a JYJ3 site and not an OT5 site, but since OT5 was mentioned here in this article, isn’t it fair that we as the readers and/or fans of BOTH sides mentioned both their achievements as well? I agree with Rebba that we should also look at TVXQ’s achievements too. As you can see, TVXQ too, have made many achievements as 2. I’m not saying that they have more/as much as JYJ, but in my opinion, I think that that is something we, be it JYJ fans or TVXQ fans or any neutral K-POP fans at that matter, should applaud them for. Too be honest, I didn’t read the whole post since it was too long ( guilty as charged ) but I can say that TVXQ too have made many achievements. So please, don’t bash the other two even if this is a JYJ3 site. I’m sure JYJ wouldn’t want their fandom to consist of a majority/minority of TXVQ bashers.
As I said, this is exclusively a JYJ site. If you want to discuss this with your fellow “OT5s” then go persuade the admins of those OT5 sites to post this article.
TROLOL – ‘Too be honest, I didn’t read the whole post since it was too long”
…while I applaud you for your honesty…you should know, that by having made that statement, you’ve pretty much nullified anything you have to say after that. (just sayin’)
@pian…i think ot5 site will not post this story ….some ot5 fans still can’t move on so they don’t like to know the truth.
@sally_b
I’m amused at the hypocrisy of @TROLOL admitting she hasn’t read the whole article but in the same comment, telling us it’s only fair we mention & applaud TVXQ2’s achievements…. ?????
I’m honestly baffled. How do some people function daily when their brain cells seem so… confused??
the writter is a freaking professor of an univversity =.=
you are the one sound bitter. read carefully again. and what he say is true. beside japan. your TVXQ is still 1 step behind jyj.
Wait till JYJ launch a Japanese album. Jaejoong’s fandom alone can beat any Korean artist in Japan.
Even without a proper promotion, the In Heaven album is already on top charts. And, as usual, the SK-music industry is trying hard to ignore and even trying to eliminate the album from their market. But, alas, the market is coming and asking for the In Heaven album.
dear Rebba – HoMin wrapped themselves in the cloak/name of TVXQ …without consent of the 3 who MADE that name.
It’s insanely EVIDENT that ….JYJ were & ARE the core talent of TVXQ…and HoMin got themselves a ticket on the gravy train…and they’re still riding it.
ಠ_ಠ #◄—- stank. eye.
@Love _JYJ – “I can wait to see the day when i see JYJ didn’t get banned again and can have a fairly competition with 2TVXQ and all idol now.”
The day JYJ gets to step on a stage to compete with 2VXQ….SM will have hired assasins to take-out HoMin before they can affect their stock prices.
SM = Scary Management
I think if you work with SM and your are not their stockholders just like boa or kangta then your future/ career in entertainment industry korean is still unsure, doesnt matter how talented you are, they will trow you if they didnt need you again, and i think it would be sad/ironic if HM situation will end up just like MHJ and kangta, coz soemething like “why you didnt learn from the old one”.
1) your hate article is written by a prof in Cultural Theory who is not a fan unlike an individual member’s fan who happens to be a prof in unrelated major.
2) Your citing TV2XQ’s achievement from the 1st line, resulted mostly from international purchase aka Japan, the land’s notoriously full of JYJ antis and brand/company loyal fans.
@Rebba
If you really believe on how great Homin has performed, why don’t you email your post to the writer/professor so she can also write some favorable articles about them. If for you numerical data is enough to measure growth and development of one’s talent and capabilities, then suit yourself. But for most of us here and maybe also the writer believe that one’s success and growth are beyond numbers, it’s more on quality, innovation, diversification, self-reliance and independence, exploration and courage to take challenges, to try new ventures, going out from the comfort zone unafraid of failure, that’s how our civilization and society attain advancement, progress and breakthroughs.
You can post Homin’s great achievements on your walls, on subways or on broadsheets, we don’t really care, but to post those on JYJ sites, I think you’re just wasting your time. We have different set of parameters to measure success . Even if 2vxq sells milions and gathers thousands of trophies, as long as they remain being spoon-fed, stock to just memorizing the lyrics and the dance steps and forever following the “do this and do that” lifestyle, the success you’re referring to is just too shallow and unimpressive compared to how JYJ is doing.
So please, next time, choose the proper place to flaunt the achievements of your beloved idols. Have a good day.
@kris….nicely done.
@sally_b
“@kris….nicely done.”
I second that. A great post, kris. And your words bear repeating:
” But for most of us here and maybe also the writer believe that one’s success and growth are beyond numbers, it’s more on quality, innovation, diversification, self-reliance and independence, exploration and courage to take challenges, to try new ventures, going out from the comfort zone unafraid of failure, that’s how our civilization and society attain advancement, progress and breakthroughs.”
That is an absolutely wonderful description of how I feel too and why I am so interested in the further progress of JYJ.
People who “love” Homin can not possibly understand what it means to do what JYJ did, against all odds, with Lee Soo Man screaming threats of doom and destruction as they walked out the door a couple of years ago. In comparison to the positively muscular resilience of JYJ, Homin are spoon-fed incubator babies, saying what the company wants them to say, doing what the company wants them to do, going where the company sends them. There’s just NO real comparison to be made that JYJ does not come out on top of between the two groups any more.
@kris
well said 🙂
Love you kris!
Great!
🙂
can’t agree more on what kris has said!!
@kris
WOW!!!! I LOVE you! Brilliantly put. ^__________^ *hugs you tight*
I agree with you that TVXQ has achieved a lot in 2011, and I can assure you the majority of us here are not trying to downplay their achievements in anyway – many people here simply don’t know of such achievements, and they clearly say so in their posts. The reason why the author of the article said that JYJ is more successful than TVXQ is because he’s Korean and from the Korean fandom’s point of view, what he said is actually correct. Nevertheless, any discussion of this sort is bound to be subjective, and so I think there’s no reason to feel insecure after reading what this Professor – or any other individual for that matter – has to say. No matter what other people think, your belief in them is what’s important. Please don’t ever forget that! (^_~)
However, there are some points in your post that I would like to refute with all due respect.
First, you said correctly that THSK “unexpectedly” became the last act of A-Nation 2011. I won’t go into details how that happened, and it won’t hurt to agree with you that it was a huge honor for them. But you were wrong in saying that in the previous years the number of Bigeasts showing up at A-Nation was relatively small compared to other fans. In A-Nation 2009 half of the venue was red despite the official A-Nation color being blue. Bigeasts also made a perfect orange ocean for JYJ in A-Nation 2010 (the reason why it’s not red is because things were still very unsettled back then and the group JYJ didn’t even have an official name yet). So it’s not like Bigeasts suddenly proliferated out of no where to fill A-Nation 2011.
Second, you said JYJ never had to go through the horrors that Homin were subjected to. That, my friend, is distorted and slanted beyond words. I don’t want to recite what horrible deeds Hotels have done to JYJ – I will just say that the impact of what they did can still be very acutely felt until today. It is true, however, that if we leave those anti’s out of the discussion, unlike Homin JYJ never had to witness their own fans leaving them. But have you ever wondered WHY DBSK’s fandom gradually left Homin and sided with JYJ? If you finally decide to look for the answer, please remember also that a man is responsible for his choice and must accept the consequences, whatever they might be.
Third, you said TVXQ’s activities were suspended because of JYJ. I don’t know when you started becoming a fan of them, but the truth is during that time Homin were very active in their entertainment careers. You can dig a little bit further in the link below for reference, and please take careful note of the last bold sentence at the end of the post. (^_~)
http://jyj3.net/2011/03/03/analysis-part-2-%E2%80%93-who-says-yunho-and-changmin-had-to-take-a-break-because-of-jyj%E2%80%99s-lawsuit/
This reply is too long already so I’ll stop here. That is pretty much all I have to say, for now at least LOL. ^^
Although I am not 100% agree, but i love to read your comments, really… (^_~)
“JYJ might be “exiled” but they never had to go through the horrors of watching the majority of their own fans turning against them and bashing them along with their parents as if they were some sort of murders or criminals. They never had to feel their confidence getting the blow HoMin’s got with everyone harping about how they are not as talented or not as worthy as JYJ.”
They did have antis, specifically, HoTels coming after them and their parents. They have the entire entertainment (music and variety) segment against them and for SM. They feel a confidence blow when everyone told them that they wouldn’t make it without SM. They may feel the confidence blow that, though, they are Korean citizens, they cannot perform freely in their own country because they dared to buck the system. They feel a confidence blow to have schedules set only to be suddenly cancelled the day before or day or with a vague explanation. They have the “joy” of having the same fashion magazines that HoMin are in print misleading and slandering articles about them.
Come back when JYJ are in an equal footing with HoMin when it comes to performing freely on TV and doing other entertainment activities without being blocked. Meanwhile, it should be a testament to JYJ’s talents that they achieved this much while being blocked. Think how much more they will achieve when the blockade ends.
Why did my name change? LOL
“Rebba = Simon Says
Another HM’s Fan pretending to be an OT5”
OMG s/he is actually the same people, lol ok
ok this rebba aka Simon says seriuosly pathetic LOL i even feel embarrassing for her/him
I first didn’t want to reply to your comment, but here I am, replying to this comment of yours, about this issue, here on this site instead of else where. Reason: I tried and am tired of be reasoning with readers from OT5 / current TVXQ fansites or Homin fansites (individual / both) / kpop sites / omonatheydidnt among some others, when obviously they refused and attacked me for even just the slightest know-why fact for so-called kpop / tvxq ‘success’. And I’ve got reasonable / logical replies here in the past, so here I come regarding your comment.
To KYHD in Korea: if you look at Korean charts / awards / ceremonies etc, one can be easily stating that such things ARE unreliable. Heck, even Billboard is not like reliable 100%. But Korea, they demonstrate a blatantly unreliable ‘chart / ranking / award’ to the point of like saying to my face: ‘so what? shut up and just worship’ (courtesy of hechul from super junior). OK, just accept such problem – just like how we presume we are currently accepting every media outlet (fyi, kor chart n stuff are media too). But then, basing on such presumption, I can tell just In Heaven album from JYJ has outsold KYHD (single or album version) in Korea – from what Korean media said so far (KYHD ~300k and In Heaven ~450k. And to recall, JYJ’s production company had to ‘sign with Korean charts for counting album sales on charts. Such a national chart, huh?). For longevity, if you truly keep tracks on all kinds of Korean charts, obvious date said that In Heaven lasts for 3-4 months while KYHD lasts for 2 months (and suddenly raised 1-2 weeks, even not in top5, around the time In Heaven has been released). That’s for physical sale. To digital sale, this year is not for either JYJ or TVXQ (as usual on digital charts in their career so far). But In Heaven song, Get Out (or songs from In Heaven album) last 4 months and still charting, when compare to KYHD (or songs from KYHD album) lasting for 1 month at most from my checking ~1-1.5 months ago (I’m sorry that I fed up with checking every freaking Kor chart to gather info =___=).
Now, for promotion and comparison to Mirotic, you must be kidding me. Even I’m not the one to follow Kpop since 2004, some info is still here and there to check easily. And Mirotic promotion is like the shortest and most disappointed promotion time from SME to 5-member TVXQ (heck, SME even just didn’t let them to stay in Kor to promote for even full 1 month in total. Check TVXQ schedule from 2007-2009 please). While now, KYHD promotion time is freaking 2-3 months. 2 TVXQ members freakingly have to drag themselves on every music show (I mean, every) and variety shows, and don’t mention number of magazines. This promotion luxury for promotion in Korea to current TVXQ is not granted by SME when it’s 5 members. (The most promoted time they 5 got is for Hug, The way you are and Rising Sun – when they lost to Epik High on music show, even when they were considered as ‘Gods’ LOL).
On the other hand, In Heaven promotion, if even just 1/20 of KYHD promotion, is already a blessing to JYJ fans LOL Now, when we count both albums JYJ released so far, it’s blatantly reasonable that this writer said JYJ is on the roll now. And he did his research well in Korean market.
Move to next point, Japan market. From KYHD single to Superstar single sales, it’s undeniable that KYHD raised on BigEast cling to 5-member memory (Avex did help a big part in this). Tell me about Break Out sale is just like tell me ‘fact’ that every single of Kara after Mister is selling better (check out, Universal milks Mister of Kara like leech). If we compare JYJ and current TVXQ in JP market, it’ll be meaningless, because for real, since when JYJ is ‘allowed’ to promote in JP? JYJ even couldn’t release JP songs. ‘The…’ is not considered for current JYJ as Avex clearly stated at that time that The… is from Jejung, Yuchun, Junsu from TVXQ – not group JYJ now. With that, we should compare TVXQ success basing on pre-2010 TVXQ and other Kor groups in JP market now, aka Kara for example.
Compare with pre-2010 TVXQ, the now TVXQ have never passed the sale of the past TVXQ of 5, be it single or album (single can be on same level, one is ~300k and one is ~220k while album sale of the past is double of the now, for the highest record). And I talk from looking at data you gave here.
Now promotion, SME JP has taken over Tohoshinki promotion in JP instead of Avex like before. Result? Freaking huge $_$ for promotion. The most promotion of past TVXQ is for The Secret Code album. And it’s around 7 magazine appearances, ~5 (small) tv shows/award shows, 1 truck/bus, 1 banner in 109 tower for 1 week and 1 ad at train station. Now for KYHD and TONE, individually, it’s 13-15 magazine appearances at least (big bucks here we are talking, cuz you even said yourself, big name magazines right? VOGUE, GQ, etc), repeating tv appearances on not-so-freaking-small music shows like Music Station (that even past TVXQ only could appear 1 time for Stand by you promotion. Poor them LOL) and variety shows (which Kara is currently doing much), the biggest ad ever on 109 and shibuya area for any promotion so far in JP for freaking > 1 month, bus/truck ad? small money to spend; let’s talk about freaking whole line train ad 😀 SME doesn’t pay big for TVXQ now promotion like purchasing a special program for SNSD, but heck, they are rich enough to let them slide repeatedly into well-known show like Heyx3. Don’t forget, countless party show / fashion show / model show stuffs. Tell me again when you visited Shibuya area for Kpop niche around 2 months ago, banners and ads of TVXQ and SNSD still run around. Strangely that JYJ and Kara goodies are still the highest sales for Kpop groups in JP. OK, that’s beside the point. The point is now TVXQ is receiving 10-fold promotion comparing to the peak time of promotion for past TVXQ. (No wonder SME’s pocket for 2010, 2011 got big hole!).
Then, we talk about Kara vs the now TVXQ. Erm, bubble burst: Kara win hand down currently in JP market – from reading of JP charts (physical and digital). Kara doesn’t have luxury of now TVXQ’s promotion though (SNSD is more extraordinary). Kara does appear more frequently on smaller variety shows in JP. And it’s all good 😀
Conclusion? now TVXQ success still needs time to overcome past TVXQ (record is to be broken, fans) and TVXQ is not the lead in JP market for Kor groups since 2 years ago. For JYJ in JP market, you guys need time to pass now TVXQ success, if you guys can release and promote, of course.
Saying this, it doesn’t mean I trust Oricon (forget RIAJ because RIAJ is you pay, you get fact is known since before). Again, just accept chart of nature as it is 😀
Now tour. From current data, I think now TVXQ got my sympathy. TONE promotion tour got 200k at maximum for 9 cities why JYJ’s got 84k for 2 days only at one city (at remote place) or past TVXQ tour in 7 cities for ~350k. I’m not sure if I can call this TONE tour a success when you insist on comparing to JYJ success in JP. And it shows short-come if anybody tells me ‘a concert of ~50k seats’ sold out in 1 mintue (forget about even 100k seats for now). Why? Cuz except you’ve got freaking heavy duty servers like the ones in CERN (the biggest lab for natural science tests / experiments on earth), no computer system / configuration so far can process such 50k ‘successful’ transaction in 1 minute (or you’ve got hyper super transitors in modem / cable). Even when I heard ’bout Junsu’s sold-out ticket sale in 5 minutes, I doubted it greatly (~10-15 minutes are more reasonable in technical term). But it’s all about media hype. That’s the lesson I’ve personally learnt and live reported here from my associates and business partners in media field. So we should not be mentioning this at all as ‘success’, ok? Don’t count either all SMTown concerts oversea, unless you have yet or decide to ignore deadly-punch from oversea media outlets of the western. (Idol Kpop’s got a long record of exaggeration which is easily revealed oversea when at least major media are not under Kpop big 3’s influence.) One Madison Square and you’ve got ‘lip-sync’ mention in New York Times. I don’t know what’s there to call ‘success’. Really.
Now TVXQ got higher view rating on Kohaku then past TVXQ. That’s a success.
CF, drama, movie, musical, photobook, goodies: look at drama/movie rating and viewer feedback as well as reported revenue/income, it’s safe to say JYJ is more successful in Korea (I dare to say that due to JYJ success in acting, JYJ got flying status right now in Korea and international). In JP, except for imported stuffs from Korea which JYJ ranks top and (fan) goodies as said for Shibuya area which JYJ and Kara are on top, I can’t compare the rest when no data from one end. But it’s sure that now TVXQ got more CFs than past TVXQ (revenue or alike, we simply don’t know. If look at SME balance reported, erm I think we should consider it as ‘inconvenient truth’ XDD)
That is all for ‘success’ argument of number and data basing for JYJ vs TVXQ. You are free to correct any data I’ve been missing 😀
To hardship, I personally don’t think it’s meaningful to ‘compare’ which is ‘worse’ than which. I mean base on what standard and for what? Just want to correct you that during 1-year halt of now TVXQ, JYJ’s also got nearly 1-year halt from work (to obtain contacts to release The beginning, I guess. A desperate attempt). And during that 1-year halt, individual activities were on tab.
*I’m ready for any correction and feedback*
This is truly an eye-opener to me. I know the current TVXQ has broken several records of TVXQ5, but I never thought about how aggressively SM has been promoting this “new” group. My friends in Japan also said that Homin can be seen literally e.v.e.r.y.w.h.e.r.e during their promotion period. I will check back on your post to see what other OT5 have to add to this interesting discussion. ^^
I’m not sure how to view without mocking intentionally on ‘record’ that every freaking kpop groups coming to jp has been stating so far, especially from idols managed by sme, yg and jyp in korea. i mean, ok, you are the first girl group to get this and that, you are the first guy group breaking this and that, you are the first soloist achieving this and that in jp and so on; but man, 1, look how many other nation’s singers beside korea flock to jp and vigorously intensively promote there, while even katty perry, which is not even promoting in jp and heck, not good vocal either, can last more than freaking 1 year in jp itunes? and 2, total sales of first week for single from kor most ‘famous’ group (snsd, kara, tvxq, 2pm, shinee, big bang, 2ne1, dna, etc) can add up to similar amount of one single sale of one jp idol group (akb48), and then you call yourself ‘market domination’. should i mock or cry? T_____T
i forgot replying to original commentator (rubba something) about a-nation fiasco. it’s a serious fiasco, as much scandalous as clear proof of oricon manipulation from avex, kr manipulation of kpop sales in jp, PR sales of gek suk something guy and snsd or deadly big bug investment of kr government for hallyu expansion in jp and usa (so much goes into personal pocket of everybody-know-who). why? when ayumi, who was single-handed pull avex to its nowadays status and is considered as jp’s icon, said it’s problematic in terms of artistic collaboration/work and organization, it does mean a-nation lost all credit built so far. i don’t like ayumi’s voice but this girl’s got freaking talent in lyric writing and expressing / presenting her career as revolutionary singer in jp (which is something that, sorry to say to some fans, boa, for korean market, or beyonce, for usa market, can only dream in her next life for such iconic status).
haha i actually look forward to some replies to my comment, so that at least i can get more updated data (if any) without me moving my as* from every corner of this pop chart maze LOL *will check back after coming back from today’s comedian show for weekend outing 😀 *
@popo..sorry..I cant give you some more “data”.. but i want to say i really enjoy your to read your “data” Thank you ^__^
Thanks, @popo. ^^ for all the input/insight.
Thank you for the insight ^^
@popo
wow..this is a very fruitful comparison of ‘succes’.. i can’t see any rooms for arguments.. i just nod in agreement in every sentences.. you did it so well with your research and observations.. its like my thesis that im conducting LOL! im inspired by you.. ^__^
some of your data are accurate coz ive seen some of them too.. the rest that i still have no clue not until now after reading yours..a lot of insights..if you have something more to share .ill be waiting.. its interesting ^__^
btw.. i agree with the TONE promotion tour..
why are they giving hyped on this one .. wherein JYJ in just a 2day concert can gather 80K fans in remote area..
even i who dont like math subject ..but this is just basic computation.. ..for goodness sake..
@popo
Thank you very much for sharing this very detailed comparative data ( now shall I thank @rebba for provoking you). How diligent you are researching and summarizing all these .
yea, kinda ‘provoking’ to me, i guess, because i recall the exact (or similar to 95% of content) comment was encountered by me on quite a number of sites (here, dbsknights, seoulbeat, toho something, among some i can remember so). at some points, i even think it’s like copy-and-paste action for posts relating to jyj-vs-tvxq success debate hahaha
@Rebba/@Simon Says
LOL!!! You can’t fool our lovely admins! 😉
alert alert JYJers. Anties coming XD
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bye 🙂
OMG! raul wasted his time on us! LOL!
right back at ya ^^;
If not a fan, reading articles gathering/academically analyzing information from the start till now make you see it as a hate article…hmmm…don’t know what you call those written by antis/tabloids, truth?
TRUE.
and for JYJ antis they have a name right “hotel girl” right, and i always wanna know why they are called as “Hotel Girl” coz it’s sound like..hmm…yeah…
Hotel Girls sound very sleazy….oh ya, haha~~
and Please say hey from me for “That some people” coz they even need wasted their time come and promate this site ^^
I’m also just curious, can you please tell me the name of that “some Kpop forum” you mentioned? ^^ I also have some clarification and corroboration to do. 🙂
sally_b
on January 7, 2012 at 2:11 am said:
The day JYJ gets to step on a stage to compete with 2VXQ….SM will have hired assasins to take-out HoMin before they can affect their stock prices
OMG did you really just write that SM will hire people to assasinate Yunho and Max? Why would anyone make such a comment ? I just wish people would stop making it a competition between the two groups because its not necessary. I hope this year both JYJ and TVXQ continue to be successful.
My comment is based on ironic/sarcastic humor…and the FACTS about SM’s exceedingly illegal, coercive and BRUTAL form of management. The comment was also directed at another poster’s remark…it did not come out of the BLUE.
I honestly don’t believe SM will EVER let HoMin compete with JYJ….and as for their individual successes…that too will play-out in the fullness of time.
Even if you wish for there NOT to be a competition…SM will NEVER forget that there is….and how it affects their bank account.
but with the record they way SM treat 2HOT members, they can do that right ? i can feel even HM fans themself afraid if HM didn’t get all that achievements “SM will have hired assasins to take-out HoMin before they can affect their stock prices”, that way i still remember how even ot5 fans assk JYJ only fans to vote and buy HM album in the name protect dbsk name, this the way i look SM manage their artist..the one who made this is looks like a compettion is SM themself can you see that all the mess from SM idol fandom when there is an award show.
“Second way has bare possibility, it’s that 2 TVXQ members come out of SM and rejoin JYJ. In this case, they wouldn’t be able to use the name TVXQ either but they could practically acquire the nationality of TVXQ, because all the population of TVXQ nation would have applied for exile. The name doesn’t matter. Perhaps it would become JYJYC or YCJYJ. Although there were misunderstanding and hatred in the past, perhaps, fans would sincerely hope for this 2nd case. It means that they couldn’t call TVXQ ‘TVXQ’ but the name of a new exile, as long as they could be together.”
Hmmm… well, only time, the universe and destiny will decide to that. So, OT5-ers, you can start hoping, praying and holding on to the faith on that, JYJ-ers and HoMin-ers, it’s up to you to bash/hate on or support(?) that statement. I, would just follow the flow.. though a part of me hopes and dreams of the statement to come true. If it happens, it happens and I’ll be jumping with joy and all the haters can leave. If it doesn’t happen, it doesn’t happen and I’ll be happy for their success and continue to support both JYJ and HoMin, even if it’s at the cost of my wallet.
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yah… i sooo love the the second paragraph.. ^^ makes sense.. actually the two fandoms: jyj and homin should not fight. really… they should not. 🙂
they shouldnt.. but then you come here and tell people to shut up and call them pathetic.. how do you expect peace to happen if you dont do what you preach.. be consistent..
I agree with this whole comment
i always wonder always wonder if those who are trolling this place or those ot5 read this bolg title? ITS JYJ3 =.=
you cant change us mind or thinking about your beloved TVXQ2. why you guys so pathetic?
we’re not trying to make you guys love the homin… i really don’t know why do you jyj fans feels that way. just don’t say any hurtful words about the homin then we’ll don’t have any problem at all. thanks ms.pathetic.
woow..you came other pps house and , jump everywhere call pps pathetic or shut up….”we’re not trying to make you guys love HM”…last long this site poen untill now we dont know how many time we have to deal with “lesson” if “we love JYJ we have to love HM” fromTO5 visit this site we sick of this !!
What are you trying to do? prevent us from expressing our feelings freely? In fact you are the pathetic person here..Simply u can not force all people to love what you love..this site for jyj and their fans ONLY ..
@angelique sonza woooah with the name calling.. should i call you ms.disrespectful too??
then probably your rebuttal will be that @kim started by saying this:
“you cant change us mind or thinking about your beloved TVXQ2. why you guys so pathetic?”
your intentions might be good.. but you cant preach to some JYJ fans in a JYJ site.. that they couldnt have strong opinion agains Homin or OT5.. everyone is entitled to their own point of view..i get it..
but the thing is you dont go to someone else’s house and teach the residence what to do or what to say.. it’s his place.. you can suggest but you have to be ready that your opinion is not welcome..
Homin fans and Ot5 fans are allowed also to have strong opinions against JYJ in their own house if they want we wouldnt bother them..
this is a JYJ site.. The reason why we stay here in this “house” is so we could share our opinions without fighting with opposite sides.. hoping 2VXQ fans will stay on their own “house” … we cannot force Homin fans to accept JYJ .. and me personally will not bother going to a Homin site to convince them to not bash JYJ.. they could do whatever and i wouldnt care.. am pretty much secure with the love for JYJ we have here that i dont need to go convincing people .. and it’ll be peaceful if you do the same.. (that;s my opinion.. you may disagree.. )
@jenknight18…you are so right!! every thing in my mind ^__^!
Erm…you forgot one word “from” ms.pathetic…YOU! XD
To the @angelique sonza whatever, your dearest Yunho oppa, kekeke~~ won’t fall for such a ferocious female like you. So, my advise is, do take up some etiquette classes to mind your P & Q and improve your “Engrish” ^_________^
I agree with you but the last part was unnecessary. But OP was rude as well. Eye for an eye? Not sure if I agree with it, but I do understand it.
and it’s not like homin’s fans stop mocking about jyj and jyj-fan in their own fansite. each to their own.
@angelique
“we’re not trying to make you guys love the homin… i really don’t know why do you jyj fans feels that way.”
Stick around. You’ll LEARN a lot.
@lilibaiyu
“@angelique
“we’re not trying to make you guys love the homin… i really don’t know why do you jyj fans feels that way.”
Stick around. You’ll LEARN a lot.”
ROFL!!!! That was what first caught my attention too!!!
Thank you for this very interesting article. I’m waiting for the next part ^^
I do agree with the author of this article, the only thing that I (or we ) can’t be sure is that do Homin / JYJ want to reunite again. I can feel that each member does need the others 4 but to reunite again after such a long time…It would be difficult even though the’d like to do it. There was already a wall between them ; I don’t underestimate their nearly 10-year old friendship but still….
Anyway the reunion of the 5 is always my dream. And I hope they can do it, even if in 2 years, 5 years… I think fans can wait for them. And I hope too that together as 5 they can make good music. I miss the harmony that they have had in the past. ….:)
The harmony you miss is JaeChunSu because they are the middletones, the soul of TVXQ5. Does it ever occur to you that JYJ’s music sounds and harmonize “eerily” like their old past while Homin is more like backup vocals. But I do admit I can hear CM’s voice sometimes. I am not a TVXQ5’s fan but a pure JYJ’s fan and I do have a couple of their old songs and honestly, what I can hear most is JaeChunSu’s voices.
Friendship?? Hmm….friendship and even marriage of long long years can be broken. I won’t burst your lovely bubble but just let fate decide. You won’t be surprise as you grow much older, TVXQ5 has become a lovely memory to reminisce.
i think you really don’t know that much about harmony and music..if you don’t like the homin then you just have to “KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!!” you’re not making sense AT ALL!!!
Hahahaha!! A shut mind like yours shall have a a shut mouth. Naaayyy……
And you are a Yunho’s fan, no wonder, so aggressive, please drink some herbal tea before you burst your arteries.
I don’t think you have the qualifications to decide who knows how much about harmony and music, and I KNOW for a fact that you don’t have the authority to tell people to keep their mouths shut if they don’t like “the Homin”. Just saying.
And pray tell—what are YOUR musical qualifications that make you a more suitable judge of “harmony and music”?
@angelique
“i think you really don’t know that much about harmony and music..if you don’t like the homin then you just have to “KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!!” you’re not making sense AT ALL!!!”
Bottom line, Angelique, is that you’re off to a bad start here and you’re not going to be happy here. You’re not going to be able to convince people here of much of anything if all you can do is yell rude comments when people don’t agree with you. Maybe try another blog where the Homin is loved and revered. Because here–JYJ is our focus.
@lilibaiyu
Aren’t people like her the worst? “I don’t know why JYJ fans think that Homin fans want everyone to love Homin boo hoo hoo~” 10 min. later…..”i think you really don’t know that much about harmony and music..if you don’t like the homin then you just have to “KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!!” you’re not making sense AT ALL!!!”
Must be real hard having only one brain cell in the head! Poor thing can’t even remember her earlier statement.
THE Homin fan huh~
@Mia2
“Must be real hard having only one brain cell in the head! Poor thing can’t even remember her earlier statement.
THE Homin fan huh~”
lol Girlfriend! You made me laugh – that’s practically the nicest thing you can do for me besides give me money. 🙂
Yes, the lilibaiyu is not impressed with the Angelique’s logic. 🙂 She has gaping holes in her ability to persuade anyone of much of anything. To me, these people are really like the flying monkeys in “The Wizard Of Oz.” They swoop in, they make mischief and ruffle feathers, and then they fly away again. **Siiiigh** So tiring.
I think this is already the last part… isn’t it?
but i’m enjoying the current harmony right now from both sides, maybe because i’m a relatively new fan. some HoMin songs are good and they sound good by themselves. but i’m not really interested in them. xD
Certain fans keep harping on the “years long friendship” between JYJ & Homin, like it’s some mystical, magical thing that couldn’t possibly be forever broken. Well I hate to break it to you, but long friendships last only if they are true, & broken friendships are only mended when both sides want to do the mending. Once the ship started sinking, all I saw was Homin deserting their friends for dry land, then kicking them in the teeth in the process – that is not the act of true friends. & nothing Homin has done since has in any way indicated that they WANT to be friends with JYJ. Jaejoong in particular has held out the olive branch time after time after time, only to be repeatedly rejected, if not outright ignored. I know this will burn a lot of OT5’s, but honestly, I really believe Jaejoong, Yoochun & Junsu deserve far better friends than the ones Yunho & Changmin have shown themselves to be.
A+++ @Sapphire
worth repeating, and I want to say it louder !
“but honestly, I really believe Jaejoong, Yoochun & Junsu deserve far better friends than the ones Yunho & Changmin have shown themselves to be.”
@Sapphire
Certain fans keep harping on the “years long friendship” between JYJ & Homin, like it’s some mystical, magical thing that couldn’t possibly be forever broken. Well I hate to break it to you, but long friendships last only if they are true, & broken friendships are only mended when both sides want to do the mending.”
True words, my friend and apparently an almost impossibly bitter pill for the Wholly Indoctrinated OT5 fan to swallow. Here we have yet another plank in the “True Believer” platform of beliefs that all dedicated Cassies seem to cling to and repeat to each other endlessly: “But THE FRIENDSHIP was so important to them! They LOVE each other like brothers! They MUST reunite!” Well, I’m going to be another bearer of bad tidings I guess, because sad to say even brothers have been known to be ready to kill each other if the wounds that they inflict are deep enough and vicious enough.
Friendships, even those as highly publicized, romanticized and exploitable as DBSK’s regularly fracture and end in the real world. Often long time friendships, even long time marriages break apart and are severed–this is not new news. WHY once again, have Cassies insisted that in DBSK’s ice-cream castle of a parallel universe such a thing could never ever happen?
Why this one group of young men — why are they excluded from the rest of the human race in being allowed to be fallible mortals with weaknesses, shortcomings and failed relationships? Does it seem fair to you? It doesn’t to me.
So here we have yet another instance where the undying Love that Cassies claim to have for The Five is in fact an unchangeable and inflexible set of inhuman rules that can not be broken and where perfection is absolutely required. Now if I know anything about the artistic temperament, I know this: artists do not like these kinds of inhuman, impossible to follow rules imposed on them–they will rebel and fight them off every time. There would be virtually no way now that the 3 members of JYJ could ever exist in that world of the Cassies.
@lilibaiyu
It’s almost like some sort of security blanket for them – that in an imperfect & often unhappy & outright dangerous world, TVXQ5 were perfect = perfect people, perfect friends, perfect family, perfect idol group… Maybe for these people, to admit that that isn’t & was never the case with TVXQ5 will shake, if not crumble, the foundations of their world, if not their very being, so even considering their perfect fantasy isn’t real is too terrifying a thought for them.
Absolutely. Without trust (the kind of trust they HAD—past tense—-when fighting to survive mentally in Japan), you really no longer have the DB5K, TV5K or TH5K we knew anymore since the solidarity of the 5-member group is no longer there. Even IF they do reunite, the emotional nature of that group dynamics is gone and what you get is is a shell/shadow of that 5-member vocal group with all the talent but little of the heart that drove it. In other words, a newly reunited group will never be what it once was since the Nature of the group dynamics is forever different now—-for eg (1) how can JYJ ever accept YH as the group leader again, (2) how can JYJ ever trust HM to have their backs when the going gets tough again?
Perhaps such a “reunion” might be adequate with the OT5 cassies but it is not for greedy me and I suspect, won’t be enough for JYJ. If technical excellence is all you want, then place any 5 great performers together and you have that. The former DB5K/TV5K/TH5K was more than that since it was the sum of their flaws, talents and emotional bond that “made” the group what it was. And JYJ was always indisputably the creative heart and musical soul of that group.
Much as JYJ loved/loves their old members, much of that old trust must have been eroded. Unlike the old days when they first went to Japan and survived because they could count on each other to watch their backs like comrades on a battlefield, the last 2 years must have opened their eyes. Whatever you may think of them, JYJ might be naive but they are not stupid. Ever heard of the old adage “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me”?
Even if they could forgive HM (and it seemed that they actually did from all the songs they wrote/sang about missing HM earlier) of their decision to stay behind with SMe, I sincerely doubt that they can as easily forgive/forget the subsequent hurt HM dealt them with the latter’s various belittling statements. For me personally, the last straw was when HM publicly AND deliberately lent themselves as tools to wound their former “brothers”. Trust me, no stranger can ever hurt JYJ more than someone they love so deeply, in this case it was HM themselves.
In regards to many comments here recently about the Asian concepts of Confucianism, filial piety, respect/allegiance to the elders (and possibly some degrees of self-preservation) as the driving motivations behind HM’s decisions to stay with SMe:—-as someone with familial affiliation with Chinese, Japanese AND Korean backgrounds, I truly do understand. Nonetheless, all these Asian cultures also have another just as important edict that many failed to mention. That is the concept of Loyalty with Integrity, i.e. to do all those things (about respecting your elders, following their wishes/instructions and being loyal to your family etc etc BUT) WITHOUT betraying your honor and integrity. These concepts are inter-related and certainly not “elective” based on whichever suits your convenience/benefit at the time of your decision-making!
It is most telling how JYJ’s explanation of AKTF fits actually closer to the 2nd concept (Loyalty WITH Integrity) than the first (loyalty/piety by itself).
Unlike many OT5 who choose to “go with the flow” or sit on the fence because “we don’t know everything”, I’m old enough to have learned that life is all about choices. Its not about being judgmental since I won’t pretend to know why HM decided to stay behind. However, I refuse to excuse or absolve HM—–as fully-grown adults who claim to be of healthy mental faculties, possessing of admirably high IQs (not to be confused with EQs) and relative individual/professional freedoms under their own chosen management of SMe—-from the consequences of their deliberate choices.
Many OT5 insist on forever “infantalizing” HM image’s as helpless mindless children incapable of independent decision-making, probably because it feeds their image of HM as victims, validates their own denial of the truth and sustains their fantasy of a Disney-like reunion. Life is too short to live in a rose-colored fantasy, no matter how pretty.
I own every album the former DB5K/TV5K/TH5K had ever put out and like my memories of them, I’ll always treasure them. However, I refuse to be a cog in the wheel of SMe’s injustice by supporting their artists financially from now on. Now that I am made aware of the truth, however painful (and it was extremely), I will not close my eyes like some OT5 and pretend ignorance. That is MY choice and I can honestly live with that on my conscience.
To all the OT5 who come on JYJ3 to preach about loving all 5 and how JYJ/HM is incomplete without all 5—-from a former cassie to you: STOP. JYJ fans don’t “hate” HM/TXQ2 nor waste our engergies doing so on other fansites. Most of us are simply In-different and prefer to concentrate on supporting the boys. If you love all 5 as you claim, why don’t you spend the time you have here on JYJ3 sharing and showing us of that love for the 3? That will be most welcome indeed.
And no matter how much thou doth protest: -Even if TVXQ (since 3/5 is now gone) is no longer a complete unit (go complain to SMe or HM about it if you must)——–JYJ IS COMPLETE IN AND OF ITSELF.
/end rant/
@livingfree
*Deep bow & standing ovation from me to you*
@livingfree
“Absolutely. Without trust (the kind of trust they HAD—past tense—-when fighting to survive mentally in Japan), you really no longer have the DB5K, TV5K or TH5K we knew anymore since the solidarity of the 5-member group is no longer there.”
Wow. Utterly amazing and insightful post. Thank you SO much, my good friend, for taking the time to put your thoughts into words for all of us here. I enjoyed reading it, it gave me insights I’m glad of and I learned something new about new-Confucianism. Fancy the OT5s, who have worn out our eardrums with references to Homin’s filial piety and the ingrained importance of their “loyalty” above all else to conveniently neglect to ever mention the truer concept of “Loyalty with Integrity.” Makes you wonder–doesn’t it?
@livingfree
“I enjoyed reading it, it gave me insights I’m glad of and I learned something new about new-Confucianism.”
Oops, that should have been neo-Confucianism.
🙂
@livingfree – this is a very late reply…as I just happened to wander by this stunningly long post. Wanted to say your comments were *spot on* and thank you for taking the time to write….really. Exceedingly well said. Kudos.
For anyone interested, you can actually see a really simple demonstration of this in action in Sungkyunkwan Scandal (Episode 15).
Evil In-Soo knew that because Confucianism place tremendous weight on family values/morals and the family unit, therefore homosexuality is viewed in Sungkyunkwan (a Confucian University) as the ultimate sin/dishonor (since it interfere with one’s “sacred duty” to procreate and pass on family heritage. He thus seized the opportunity to hold the student body disciplinary meeting to judge Yoon-hee and Jae-shin for their possible homosexual activities, hoping to get them expelled as a result. However, Lee Sung Joon/Chunnie rose to the occasion and “schooled” everyone of the TRUE meanings underlying ALL the main Confucian ethics fundamentals and actually applying those principles to their words/deeds.
Dramabeans (credit to reviewer: cassie.opeia) actually gave a very brief but pretty decent summary of that in their recap
http://www.dramabeans.com/2010/10/sungkyunkwan-scandal-episode-15/:—
“Myung-shik(the Soron) mumbles something about Neo-Confucian teachings, but smarty pants Sun-joon cuts in:
“In Neo-Confucianism, the highly prized principle of “In(仁)” stands for the endless care for a comrade. Am I wrong? Selflessness(In,仁), Righteousness(Eui,義), Propriety(Yae,禮), Wisdom(Ji,智), and Faith(Shin,信). These are the principles that every Confucian scholar should uphold—but instead of looking at the facts, you see what you want to see and believe what you want to believe, and thus you lack Wisdom. Without even realizing that your thoughtless curiosity is putting others in trouble and is in it of itself a sin, you just laugh and enjoy the show, and thus you lack Righteousness AND Propriety. And you distrust your comrades, thus you lack Faith and cannot be regarded as a true Confucian scholar. No one here has the right to point any fingers. If this is the Confucian way, than I’d rather choose homosexuality.”
***Righteousness(義)=Integrity
***In Confucianism, Loyalty/Piety is not just for elders and family but also to Friends and Comrades.
@livingfree
“For anyone interested, you can actually see a really simple demonstration of this in action in Sungkyunkwan Scandal (Episode 15).”
Nice! Wow, a perfect example of why I love coming here! Fascinating insights on the true nature of neo-Confucianism, thank you SO much! Livingfree you are on a ROLL!
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@livingfree
ARGH! thanks to you posting that link, I ended up reading that… and then 16… and then 17…. 18… 19… 20… LOL! Now I’m two hours behind in my work LOLOL! Aish, I have GOT to learn not to open this stuff when i’m ~supposed~ to be working… but what’s a woman supposed to do? they call… siren song and all!
~note to self: NEVER “accidentally” put COO dvds in purse on the way out the door to work. will get NO work done on that day~
@springbok7
” Aish, I have GOT to learn not to open this stuff when i’m ~supposed~ to be working… but what’s a woman supposed to do? they call… siren song and all!”
AARRGGH! I have the same illness, girlfriend!! My marketing lady gave me a dressing down yesterday like you couldn’t believe about “the colossal waster of time” I was indulging in, instead of applying myself dutifully to my jewelry business. Ouch! I CAN’T help it either! I blame Jaejoong!
All of these topics are way too interesting! Can’t we have some really boring topics that nobody cares about once in a while?? lol
@lili
HAHAH! yeah, only my problem is *I* have to give *MYSELF* that dressing down, cause i’m the only one that knows, no one else does thankfully otherwise me get in hot waters! but yeah.. omg, why aren’t we getting nice uninteresting topics like…. i dunno… SOCKS! wait…. maybe that’s not such a good one…. cause socks go on feets…. 😉 ok next bright idea? LOL!
@springbok7
“why aren’t we getting nice uninteresting topics like…. i dunno… SOCKS! ”
lol How about this snoremaster: Leading Economic Indicators for 2012: Pork Belly Futures…
Damnit it woman, that’s not helping either! First thing that popped into my head when I read that was a mental image of Junsu and Jaejoong making silly faces while they rubbed the tummy of a vary fat potbelly pig, with yuchun on the side dying laughing at them. sigh. i think i am a lost cause.
No need to go back unless SM became JYJ.
FOR ME: it really doesn’t matter if they’ll remain to sm town or if they’ll go out of sm town…i don’t mind at all if they’ll change their group name or what so ever.. as long it’s the 5 members, i’ll support and love them till the end!!! ^^ also.. they’re all grown ups, before they made their decisions most probably they had thought about it over and over…again and again before they came up with their own decisions. In fact, we doesn’t even know the whole story, why did the homin stayed at sm town and why did jyj left, right??? so let’s not judge them according to the news,rumors that we get from various sources out there.. i knew that WE ALL HAVE OUR OWN RIGHTS TO EXPRESS WHAT WE FEEL AND SHARE OUR OPINION BUT THERE IS STILL A SO CALLED “LIMITATION.” people should still know how to pick the right words to say so that we’ll be able to avoid misunderstandings and TO AVOID hurting other people’s feelings.
Actually we do know why JYJ left
I think the lawsuit makes it very clear, the reasons why they left
As for the reasons Homin stayed thats, their own thing but the Geese comments and Changmin saying JYJ “didnt have the ability to discern right from wrong and ability to make good judgement” and basically implying fame went to their heads pissed people off
That much is understandable dont you think?
Then theres TVXQ claiming the name for themselves when legally the TVXQ name belongs to five people, and JYJ have made it clear they were diappointed when yunho and changmin came back as “TVXQ”
(JYJ could actually have objected when Homin decided to use the name; how would you have felt if they had done that?if JYJ had taken action against Homin for using the TVXQ name?)
That pissed off people too
I dont have any strong feelings whatsoever towards them
@bazinga
OMG!!!!!! Are you a Big Bang Theory fan too??!! Best show ever!! (Aside from The Closer!)
Sry I just had to comment on this point:
“In fact, we doesn’t even know the whole story, why did the homin stayed at sm town and why did jyj left, right??? ”
Have you not heard JYJ’s Song without a Name? I think we’re all perfectly aware of why JYJ left SME. But why HoMin stayed….that remains a mystery.
angelique sonza (@uKnowLheky)
Girl, try to open your mind and LISTEN to “Nameless Song Part 1” (composed and written by Yoochun). Only then will you realize and understand (that is, if you have sufficient comprehension) why JYJ left SM.
Most people here are not expressing their opinions on mere hearsay They have basis for their reactions.
“We doesn’t even know the whole story, why did the homin stayed at sm town and why did jyj left, right?” – This is an ignorant person’s excuse or an excuse for people who turn a blind eye to evidence. For one, there’s no deep mystery to unearth on why homin stayed with sme, by now it’s pretty clear that it was simply their choice. Nothing dramatic, nothing mind-boggling. Homin stayed because they wanted to.
Most of us here have no problems that homin stayed with sme, it’s what they did and what they are still doing that we find quite distasteful. – Bashing JYJ, continually using the name TVXQ, claiming TVXQ5’s achievements as if it’s only the two of them who attained these.
If you love the five as you claim, then you cannot be so oblivious to JYJ’s plight. You cannot be oblivious to Changmin’s blatant attack on JYJ and you cannot be so dense on homin’s exploitation of the TVXQ name that Jae, Chun and Su defined for six years and have homin claim TVXQ’s achievements as their own.
We post comments here with no intention to hurt others, but it’s also not our obligation to make sure we don’t hurt others. Everything is pretty subjective. What you think can hurt you may just be pretty factual to another. We can’t have people limiting their opinions just because it would hurt your feelings.
If you feel your emotions can’t take opinions being posted here, you can always click the X on the upper right side of your browser.
@angelique sonza
Angelique, it might be of interest for you to know that you’ve just repeated a well-known bit of SM created brainwashing propaganda that many Cassies repeat back and forth to each other until they believe it. It’s “We Don’t Really Know The Whole Story, So Until We Do, Keep The Faith (and continue buying product.)” That last bit, in the parentheses, it the KEY piece of information, needless to say. SM wants your money. They hung onto Homin so they could continue getting some of it. The name TVXQ is a multi-multi-million dollar franchise. Please don’t be a willing part of SM’s greedy agenda. Or failing that, please don’t come here and repeat ridiculous statements like “We Don’t Really Know…etc.”
WE ALL HAVE OUR OWN RIGHTS TO EXPRESS WHAT WE FEEL AND SHARE OUR OPINION BUT THERE IS STILL A SO CALLED “LIMITATION.”
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the limitation here, by the way, is set by the JYJ3 rules. and the limitation is to keep the discussion around JYJ, no JYJ-bash, and no Homin/OT5/Yunjae spazz.
@angelique sonza
Really?? REALLY??? You’re coming into a JYJ fan site where the over-whelming majority of the people here do have more than one functioning brain cell, are able to discern right from wrong, do care about moral & legal injustices, abuse of power etc, have made it our business to EDUCATE OURSELVES & KNOW exactly why JYJ left sm, & you’re mouthing this BS??? Girl, WTH are you smoking???
“i knew that WE ALL HAVE OUR OWN RIGHTS TO EXPRESS WHAT WE FEEL AND SHARE OUR OPINION BUT THERE IS STILL A SO CALLED “LIMITATION.” – which is exactly why this is a JYJ ONLY fan site, not a Homin fan site, not an OT5 fan site.
You are free to love Homin all you like, but don’t come into our JYJ family home & tell us what we can & can’t say. & frankly, don’t be so stupid as to come into a JYJ fan site & not expect hard words on Homin…. that is just the epitome of stupidity.
& for the record, most of the fans in JYJ3 DO CARE that JYJ got out of the hell hole that is SM, most of us do care that they were abused, exploited, over-worked, underpaid, bullied, & regarded & treated as nothing but money-making robots in SM, most of us see them as human beings with inalienable rights, not just pretty faces with great voices who have to live their lives according to our wishes. In fact, most of us care passionately about Jaejoong, Chunnie & Junsu as PEOPLE, & nothing makes us happier than seeing their happiness. So for you to come in here & say you don’t care whether they stay or leave sm town??? You show your ignorance & stupidity with every word you write…
“& for the record, most of the fans in JYJ3 DO CARE that JYJ got out of the hell hole that is SM, most of us do care that they were abused, exploited, over-worked, underpaid, bullied, & regarded & treated as nothing but money-making robots in SM, most of us see them as human beings with inalienable rights, not just pretty faces with great voices who have to live their lives according to our wishes. In fact, most of us care passionately about Jaejoong, Chunnie & Junsu as PEOPLE, & nothing makes us happier than seeing their happiness. So for you to come in here & say you don’t care whether they stay or leave sm town??? You show your ignorance & stupidity with every word you write…”
*hugs you so hard!*
A person who can’t even TRY to understand why things ended as they did (doesn’t care of the pain that led to this~ yes even for Homin and their low EQs) shows just how little human respect and empathy she holds for ALL FIVE! If they are worked like animals she doesn’t give a shit as long as they “look hot” and sing her some pretty songs.
@angelique sonza
I won’t say that I pity Homin for having a fan like you. I JUST PLAIN PITY YOU!!!!!!!!
Thank you Admins clean up the mess in here… and thank you to all my sister here to keep our house get comforterable for all JYJ fan free to disscuss and express our feeling!!!
agree with you
jyj will never go back to sm,,,they are JYJ now and i think forever,,go ahead JYJ we are with you all the way,,,no matter what happen
pardon me.. but why this site suddenly become a fanwar arena? noo.. not fanwar, but civil war.. JYJ and HoMin never declare that they hate each other. if u are OT5 and u wanna hang out in this site please read the rule first.. me is cassie, and i know that this site is only for JYJ3 so leave all that HoMin stuff before u step in..
that’s the problem.. i am friends with a lot of cassies and some of them still love the five.. but it’s easy for them to understand that you go to a JYJ site and be prepared that not all people love the other two because of so many events in the past.. JYJ fans have different reactions to Homin.. but it has been like mutual understanding among people here in JYJ3 that Homin can be criticize for their past actions because it brought hurt to JYJ’s public reputation, etc…. but spazzing over them alone shouldnt be done here as it annoys most who dont like them and this site is not about them…
based on reactions of the population in this site, those who dont care/dont like/dont know versus those who love the other two is around 90-10, or 80-20 .. so it would have been easy if Homin fans dont argue about JYJ fans perception on Homin.. they can discuss this on other sites but here.. they should be prepare for argument..
This is a JYJ site. I am here for JYJ news.
I am first a DB5K fan since 2008 and I do hope (good to hope & dream) for whatever reason/s, commercial/friendship or for goodwill sake, that one day, the 5 of them will stand on the same stage together again. using whatever name, it doesn’t matter. SME can keep TVXQ name for all they want! A name without substance is just an empty shell!
I am only wishing that if that happens, I will surely want to support them and go fly to Seoul or wherever to watch their LIVE concert which I have not been to one. That is my only regret. Watching the DVD and attending Live concert is totally different feel.
2010 & 2011 has been good to me, I managed watch JYJ showcase & 2 Worldwide concerts. I look forward to their Asia Tour in 2012 and wish to see them more often!
Being a fan of the boys is all due to their music. I am still enjoying listening to DB5K /TVXQ5 and of course, our JYJ music. That is why, I am here!
Welcome to come here to sharing and enjoy JYJ news and music ^__^ we respect whoever you want to support… but at you know this JYJ site only just please understand and dont limmit our feeling and our mind right in our home, it is just so annoy….^______^ thank you!
This is what I call as academic writing. The professor do make homeworks before he write! Although he kinda wrong abt the copyright issue but whatever, we got the points! ^^
Just to share with all of you, I started to be a hardcore TVXQ5 fans aft they released Rising Sun. That time, the one that catches my attention the most is Changmin. I’m such a die-hard fan of his. I bought all their albums, concert dvd etc etc. It was until JYJ suddenly sue SM aft their TSC Concert in Dome I think that make me all shock and sad. They were at the peak of their fame and glory. As an OT5 fan, I can’t take it well. That time I dont know who to blame. JYJ for leaving or Homin for staying. Things are all blurred that time and there are too much news, I cant even tell which one is right and which were rumors. I choose to be an OT5 that time, supporting both sides. I cant bring myself to side with either one bcoz my heart tell me that JYJ is the right side but my deep love for Changmin made me think that I’m betraying him. The climax of all these was when Changmin said something about “geese that leave the flock cant say that they are from the flock” or something like that. I dont remember the exact words clearly. But that made me sooo shock and dissapointed. Did Changmin that I truly love and respect just said that to his 3 hyungs? I can’t accept that, its kinda rude and arrogant IMO. Then JYJ come to Malaysia for The Beginning showcase and for the first time in my life, I met them! I never go to any TVXQ5 concert before. I still remember I cried when I first saw them up in real life in front of my eyes. I didnt realize that I cried. It was a wonderful experience and since then I feel like some sort of attachment to JYJ. So now I’m a JYJ biased (obviously! XD). I can’t even pick my fav from the 3 of them bcoz all of them are just amazing, humble *insert all wondeful praising words here, I just dont know what to say anymore*. And Changmin, sometimes I feel bad for him. And sometimes I regret myself for loving him sooo much, that it hurts when I know his true colors. Its not like I say he’s a bad person. But that sentence really hurts and even if jyj really is the bad side, its like Changmin’s sentence is rubbing salts on open wounds… I know what’s in OT5 minds bcoz I used to be one. When I was an OT5, I try to believe all things even I knew it’s wrong, just to keep believing that they will unite again, just to please my heart that the friendship gonna last forever. Well guess what, nothing last forever. Friends come and go. But true friends will stay with you till the end. JYJ, thanks for opening my eyes and I’m grateful for that. Love JYJ forever.
***sorry its very long, eekkk. <.<
Thank you for writing your piece here. If you would read past threads and posts, a lot of people here have similar stories to yours. I, myself, though a relatively new fan (after watching Sungkyunkwan) fell in love with TVXQ5. For quite sometime, I really wanted TVXQ5 to be one again as I have missed out on everything TVXQ. I was lost in the delusion that the five were brothers, that they must share the same strength and fighting spirit. That homin must have some great reason that they stayed, even thought that they were blackmailed by sme. It took some pretty strong opinions and hard facts from the people here to convince me to sympathize with JYJ’s plight. Homin’s attitude towards JYJ was a real turn off. I could have let go of homin’s usage of the TVXQ name, nevermind that they claim TVXQ5’s achievements. But the arrogance displayed by changmin as his way to defend his decision to stay with sme is what totally put me off homin.
I believe it’s even harder for our boys. For us fans, it’s quite easy to just ignore homin. I can just imagine the hurt and frustration these have brought the three. I mean, I was not even aware of TVXQ when all these happened and yet I was hurt when I knew of what Changmin said. For you, whose bias was Changmin, it must be even harder. Then it must be truly even hurtful for Jae, chun and su.
I thought that the five were friends, even brothers. Apparently, they just belonged to the group TVXQ and were not necessarily brothers.
Though now, I think we can safely say that Jae, Chun and Su are brothers by choice. 🙂
“I can’t even pick my fav from the 3 of them bcoz all of them are just amazing, humble *insert all wondeful praising words here, I just dont know what to say anymore*” – Love this part ^^
I really only notice jyj recently as a result of their on going lawsuit. Out of curiosity, I followed the case closely and all the news impartially so as not to take side.It also lead me to look into their music and songs from their debut as 5 member teams .They are a great boy group team with great vocals and harmony. One of the rare kind in Kpop .my personal verdict. the 3 jyj members are the very soul of DKSK while the Homin team are the just part of the background harmonizing body from listening to all thier past songs.Since the separation, the 2 teams have gone also different path with their kind of music.Jyj has evolved into a finer team while the homin team sadly remain stagnant with their kind of music. There is no distinction in their music style with other Kpop group.ie, the usual dance movement and music style.JyJ has certainly move away and one level up from the herd. They have brought kpop to new ground and it is the first in k pop boy group -own compositions, world tours , Face book, you tube, etc.Not forgetting their individual activities as actors in dramas and ost and muscials.They have excel more through this unfair and difficult 2 years. The end reason is great for them. 2012 promises to be a even better year. They have showed courage and perserverance.They have certainly won my heart over as their fan.
@Gary
“my personal verdict. the 3 jyj members are the very soul of DKSK while the Homin team are the just part of the background harmonizing body from listening to all thier past songs.”
Precisely the same conclusion I drew myself when I first heard about the split and started following the lawsuit. (I have a background in singing in vocal groups for many years and I certainly know the difference between a lead vocalist and a background singer.) Anyway, thanks I enjoyed reading your post. 🙂
@lilibaiyu
Just for discussion’s sake .. am just wondering how sme would have reacted if it’s JYJ who stayed and homin who decided to get out? Would they be as vindictive to homin as they are currently vindictive with JYJ or would they have been lenient with the whole thing? I mean, most of us here believe that JYJ is the more prominent sound in TVXQ (if not the heart and soul, since others want to believe otherwise .. at least by saying dominant sound, we have proof that when you listen to a TVXQ song, it’s either Jae or Junsu’s voice that can be prominently heard and then Chun’s husky textured voice is easily recognizable.) So, am just wondering how things would have been if it was the other way around. 🙂
I personally think they would get exactly the same treatment. SM wants to show to everyone that when an artist goes away from them, a permanent blacklisting will be the consequence. They use JYJ as an example.
@lilibaiyu, thank you .And I thought I am the only one too.:)
KBS may be in for the shock with their actions. The medium and promotional method for Kpop has changed and it is really wise for them to rethink their blockage strategy. It would only bring harm to the whole k music culture. They are silly to halt one of their finest asset. This is short term gain for those in greed and power to deepen their wallet and purse. Long term lost to Korea.In the end Korea and the korean people in general has missed the boat and opportunities in the world stage.
It is to their advantage to rethink this strategy halt for the sake of advancement of Korean culture on the whole.These boys are their country assets and should be promoted as their culture to the outside world and within Korea itself.
@Gary
“And I thought I am the only one too.:) KBS may be in for the shock with their actions.”
Well, once again, I must agree with you. it’s been quite a singular year or so, following the bizarre progress of JYJ’s exodus from SM as it has unfolded. The Chairman of the board of SM appears to have gone mad as a hatter with rage at being caught off guard by the 3 members’ decision to walk and has put much of the focus of his efforts last year to thwarting their every career move, even though quite early on last year the high court in Seoul ruled that such blocking and interference with JYJ’s ability to get on with their career activities was from then on illegal and a fine-able offence for each instance found. As far as KBS is concerned, Lee Soo Man seems to have the music entertainment dept by the balls and how he can have such influence, up to and including having them participate in the illegal blocking, with a government funded and publicly owned TV network has confounded our understanding so far. Various theories have been floated, but the facts of the collusion are really threatening to break big time now that there is so much international interest in JYJ and the international press will not be nearly as cozy with SM and its agenda as the Korean entertainment press has been, that’s for sure. I think you’re right, Korea’s prestige is about to take a major hit (which they won’t like at all) because of course Lee Soo Man has been giving interviews here, there and everywhere touting the beauty of his “talent training system” which as we all know involves those notorious slave contracts that were the basis of the JYJ lawsuit. The man is basically running a criminal enterprise and I think, I hope anyway, the poop is just about to hit the propeller.
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SM action towards this is predictable. They have lost one or its most profitable “milk cow.”..if I may use. SM is ultimately a business enterprise.These boys are their investment commodity nothing else and its money making machine.You can be sure many individuals in the entertainment and media industry like KBS has vested interest in SM privately as shareholders.And it is also to their selfish greed to see that their share price in SM is protected.This is politics at its ugliest form.This is the sad reality.This can only change when there is public outcry from the peoplei in korea.People power is the only way to bring justice when you are dealing with big multinational.The report and exposure by the FTC has break that tide but it is only the starting crack for SM,It takes persistence people power and its will to highlight their plight..Lets just see how it plays out later and hopefully justice prevails for the 3 boys.
@Gary
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@Gary
Said– “You can be sure many individuals in the entertainment and media industry like KBS has vested interest in SM privately as shareholders.And it is also to their selfish greed to see that their share price in SM is protected.This is politics at its ugliest form.”——–
My POV —– as we are talking about this view. Something has already taken places since this summer, their private shareholders continued to unload shares into the public pension funds..When I read that news. my first reaction was whoa! Clever move from SM shareholders. They are ahead of their game in protecting their investments. Leaving the working, middle, and poor classes holding the SM’s shares. Out of all the funds, they pick the pension funds. Humm…Politics at work.. We were so distracted, unable to understand why Government funding SMTown, in Paris.?
What can I say? I hope by making this move, the investors feel secure and are willing to let go of JYJ. We will see— what will happen in the year 2012?
Gary said—–This is the sad reality.This can only change when there is public outcry from the people in korea.People power is the only way to bring justice when you are dealing with big multinational.—-
My POV—- So far SM has tried to control the flow of information on what people can read or cannot read in Korea about their company and JYJ’s news. It ‘s going to take a lot of courage and public outcry to bring justice and to enforce the laws. At least, we know there are options and solutions that will help JYJ to continue on with their music.
@Gary @lilibaiyu
Thank- You for your comments here, well thought^^
I have learned to see things as “a bird’s view” point from sky. 😛
@Cat95
“Something has already taken places since this summer, their private shareholders continued to unload shares into the public pension funds..When I read that news. my first reaction was whoa! Clever move from SM shareholders. They are ahead of their game in protecting their investments. Leaving the working, middle, and poor classes holding the SM’s shares. Out of all the funds, they pick the pension funds. Humm…Politics at work.. We were so distracted, unable to understand why Government funding SMTown, in Paris.?”
Oh God. I think I’m actually rendered speechless for a moment by your post and its unthinkable implications for the pensioners in SK who will be depending on that money being there for them. Is there anybody here who still thinks maybe SM’s Chairman is not evil? That he is not ready to throw granny under the bus in favor of another zero or two in his stock portfolio? Well, my solution of course is pretty simple: DIVEST SM stock from pension funds YESTERDAY. And fire the fund managers who suggested buying it in the first place. Because if SK is in fact a cutting edge democracy, the leaders and the business of which wish to continue joining western nations (and even surpassing many of them!) in modern thinking, trade and forward progress in general, then their press will also be stepping up to do their part to keep things running cleanly.
The only other thing I wish to say is that I think Lee Soo Man is really a monster of deception and greed. He is hedging the detection his illegal activities with the lives and well-being of SK’s old and infirm. Nice going, LSM.
@lilibaiyu
Did you read the email article I sent you on psychopaths? I honestly believe that LSM is one himself.
@Sapphire
“Did you read the email article I sent you on psychopaths? I honestly believe that LSM is one himself.”
Agreed. Also he must certainly be a Malignant Narcissist. (this is actually an established psychological diagnosis) Then again, he might possibly be a sufferer of Borderline Personality Disorder. So many unfortunate possibilities for mental instability with this man.
on twitter junsu said it was sad homin and they were together and would be together FOREVER but sad how THEY stayed with the ENEMY. sm artists like boa and shindong bashed at him back with mean things like they have a right to interfere with their group issues, they pissed me off. junsu never talked abt it again. later yunho tweeted even though he din’t say his name junsu, that how can he call him an enemy ( lee so man) who nurtured them and raised them as dbsk, that rude. ( oh my gOD) i was gonna rip yunho apart, this happended long ago in 2010. its just like movies and dramas, group wants to leave due to mistreatment of any kind while other half sees it but doeesn’t see it to leave and risk so much, in the end they turn on eachother even the public sees and get suporters on each side like enemies but deep down when all go home and lay down, a tear downs down their cheeks ” how did we lose eachother” this is human nature, ppple split and hate but not eachother but their choices and routes they took and not only that but why thry didn’t agree together. so no worries even as dbsk theyd leave eachother one day no by split but in life or death or age or having families and their music would en like other old group music pple today we see, but their brotherhood will return when everything cools down. it would be annoying if jyj since they have more albums and even coming, would stop and reunite and lose all those shootings shows songs as jyj. everything happend for a reason and they were smart enough to know when idols grow, artists come out and even if korea doesn’t care, the world will know them which is bigger
yunho has a twitter? didn’t know that .. anyway, it doesn’t really matter .. i think everyone who sucks up to sme thought JYJ were done for when they left .. now everybody’s probably in shock as to what happened… JYJ not only survived, they are excelling in the showbiz industry … making history as we speak .. Nobody really knows what can happen in the future … homin better really suck up good on sm’s ass coz if not, they’ll soon be fading away .. shindong who? oh that suju guy .. so, where is he compared to JYJ? .. they’ll soon be eating their words .. 🙂
‘i think everyone who sucks up to sme thought JYJ were done for when they left’
This basically. Almost everyone thought they would disappear when they left SME. What these people underestimated were JYJ’s talents/abilities and the support of their fans (which is what the author of this article was pointing out). JYJ took a huge risk and it paid off. What JYJ have done and accomplished for the past year alone speaks for itself. They’re here to stay and I’m in it for the long haul.
“its just like movies and dramas, group wants to leave due to mistreatment of any kind while other half sees it but doeesn’t see it to leave and risk so much, in the end they turn on eachother even the public sees and get suporters on each side like enemies but deep down when all go home and lay down, a tear downs down their cheeks ” how did we lose eachother””
LOLOL!!!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!! I’m sorry but I can’t take you seriously AT ALL! I read all your previous comments and you seem to go back and forth. You are also HannaJYJfan right? So…if I’m reading all your comments correctly you really seem to like Homin more and are angry that they stayed behind because they could have grown as artists if they had left with JYJ. Oh and you seem pissed that Homin are in the same “level” as SNSD, SuJu and the others under SME. Well what can I say?
1. Homin aren’t artists, never have been and won’t likely ever be so.
2. They seem to be pleased with their decisions so hopefully they’ll feel the same way in 10 years.
3. “Before You Go” is a good song. Shame it went to them and not…KRY SuJu for instance. Their voices don’t do it for me just like JYJ’s doesn’t seem to do it for you.
4. Yunho doesn’t have a twitter account. Don’t go around stating things you don’t know- you’ll confuse others.
5. Rip Yunho apart? Wae? Did he ruin your OT5 fantasy by not being the noble and brave leader?
I’ll amend though; by no means should my opinion matter to you and I’m pretty sure it doesn’t. Just felt like venting.
*shrugs* What can I do? I also like to share my opinions.
Lol^^
Hi Mia2 !!! Happy New Year 2012 to you…Are you settling down now ? How’s life ?
@Della
Hey girl! I’ve been fine. Thank you for asking. How has life been for you lately?
@Shadow
“tear down their cheeks ‘how did we lose each other?'” *rolls eyes* yeah OK lady
lol too.
i was just going through the comments because I just couldn’t read them: the more i read the more i am hurt buy the comments. it feels like if someone wants to be JYJ fan he has to hate TVXQ and promise to beat them!!!
I understand that JYJ3.net is dedicate only to JYJ. but honestly why so much hate for the other two? because they choose to stay? because they didn’t tell what?: that they are slaves?,that they are in pain and regretful that they didn’t leave? because they use TVXQ name? or maybe you hate them because they didn’t fall? that they still have success?
do you know all about these 5 men and their future decisions to be so sure that they are never ever not gonna reunite? but what if? really? tbh what would you do? Would you start to like the other 2 or would you start to hate JYJ? my bet you’ll hate JYJ ’cause how do they dare to choose their friends or former members over the hate of their fans?!
i start to believe that you don’t love or care about JYJ but instead you use JYJ for fulfilling your hate for TVXQ (it doesn’t matter 2 of 5)
don’t excuse your hate behind of “she knows nothing about JYJ and their pain, she has no clue about what TVXQ and their fans did or said about JYJ”. PLEASE GROW UP AND BEHAVE BETTER THAN THEM! Try stop spreading the hate and be indifferent towards TVXQ (it hurts more than the hate).
you can call me a fan TVXQ or an anti fan of JYJ but my money went for JYJ products!
“PLEASE GROW UP AND BEHAVE BETTER THAN THEM! Try stop spreading the hate and be indifferent towards TVXQ (it hurts more than the hate).”
Who’s spreading the hate? You are fully aware that this is a JYJ site ONLY. Just because you disagree with some viewpoints here does not validate your beliefs. Everything in here are all commentaries from different people.
ooooo…again….HATE….where?? if we dont say good to your OPPA or say what we think is different than your thinking and we are became haters????
“Would you start to like the other 2 or would you start to hate JYJ? my bet you’ll hate JYJ ’cause how do they dare to choose their friends or former members over the hate of their fans?!” i dont care they reunite or not, that the JYJ choice but i will choice what ilike…not just becaue “our oppa”
” PLEASE GROW UP AND BEHAVE BETTER THAN THEM” you are the one have to grow up. while you cant know what different between opinion and hate..a lot commenders in here, they way much grow up than your oppa.they know what they taking about not onlly ” they alway handsome”
“but my money went for JYJ products” sooo…your money go to JYJ it mean we have to please you by shut all our mind, our thinking, our opinion ….ridiculous!!!!
@claudia
“i was just going through the comments because I just couldn’t read them: the more i read the more i am hurt buy the comments.”
Oh dear, it all is very tiring, isn’t it? My advice to you is to FIRST heal your own compatriots in the OT5 community. My guess is that this will not be an easy task. They are willfully ignorant, many of them, and hostile to a fault. They are rude and they seem to enjoy childish name-calling.
We here on JYJ3 are not nearly as mindlessly hostile to Homin as you might suspect. We are merely, well, most of us anyway, in receipt of the facts associated with the history of both groups after the split. Homin’s record, in concert of course with and doing the bidding of SM Entertainment, has not been encouraging.
JYJ’s progress on the other hand has been nothing short of heroic, which is why they are poised to break out internationally as the real force of the future of Korean pop music. Soon the entire power structure of Korean business interests will realize their brand potential and value, get on JYJ’s bandwagon and then even SM, with all of their dirty tricks and illegal maneuverings, will not be able to impede them any further.
We are not deluded people here, this is probably what is throwing you about this particular site. We are not big on slogans, catchy phrases or magical thinking. We don’t waste time telling ourselves over and over that “we don’t know anything” because here on JYJ3 several of us DO know all sorts of things which we have liberally and regularly shared with others here.
We know plenty.
If SME has still got you hoodwinked, touting the party line and advancing their agenda for them, well, I don’t know what I can tell you. Maybe this isn’t the best place for you.
“it feels like if someone wants to be JYJ fan he has to hate TVXQ and promise to beat them!!!” – dont generalize..and dont exaggerate. I may not like Homin but it doesn’t mean i hate them, i just dont care… Not even more.. starting when they used “TVXQ” and the ‘geese’ story..
you may find some of the comments here very offensive for you..but these are all the viewpoints from different people…so live with it..
our fangirling had come to a 2nd level . . .being a JYJ fan.. we had to have backgrounds about lawsuit, korea’s culture and differences, and contracts/ management… we are not just screaming fangirls who crazily worshipping every JYJ stuff.. if you dont have any background..its hard to catch up and understand JYJ and the path they are taking… if you are blind and simply keeping the faith and wait for them to be back as 5…you’ll have no right to show your face on JYJ in the future coz its like saying in their faces that “hey, i don’t care about the hell why you file your lawsuit…i just dont care if you are fighting for your justice… i’ll just close my eyes until the time that you go back as 5, until then i’ll just wait and hear nothing” . . .
if you are a cassiopeia who loves both HOMIN and JYJ then love each of their craft without saying in the end “i like it i like that…but i still love them when they are 5” because its a SLAP in their FACES!!!! its like “i dont really approve your music its just that i have no choice but to accept it now.. ”
why live in the future? when today is where we are now? and im sorry.. i dont hate HOMIN but i just dont support their decision.. thats all.. its SM who im hating…
” i was just going through the comments because I just couldn’t read them:”
Then I suggest you read and understand every comment, each and every comment to come up to a more concise and intelligent reaction. Try to grasp the general gist of our hundreds of comments, don’t just randomly pick the one that sore your eyes before you accuse us and this site of anything. Have you taken reading comprehension in your school? then can I copy the one you’ve written in capslock : PLEASE GROW UP AND BEHAVE BETTER THAN THEM!…listen to yourself , and KNOW YOUR PLACE .
So what if your money went to JYJ products, that’s your own free will to do so. It doesn’t give you the right to dictate what others have to do or think or say. If you don’t like the scent of the sea breeze, stay at the top of the mountain.
My solution for you:
Click that X on the top right hand corner and you don’t have to face the truth anymore.
You and the rest who buys what SM propaganda sells can continue to live in that small world.
Thus applies to those ot5 who are lurking around getting pissed reading the comments here.
@Claudia
If you really think we hate HOMIN, you don’t know a single thing. TO DISAGREE with their behaviour towards JYJ is not to hate them. Better learn a thing or two before lecturing us on nothing.
As mention before, this is JYJ site.
I guess, JYJ fandom comprises of some delicate hearts coming from TVXQ5, fan who know the 5 boys before the breakup. I. who still hope to see the 5 boys on stage together in the future, but I wont force it. Come what may, and learn to accept it already.
JYJ has gain many new fans as well as retaining lots of TVXQ5 fan.
Type 1: TVXQ5 = support 2 & 3 now.(Supporting both group: TVXQ2 & JYJ)
Type 2: TVXQ5= support only when 5 are together if it ever happens in the future ( like me)
Type 3: TVXQ5= Support only 3 (totally a JYJ convert)
Type 4: TVXQ5= Support only 2 (totally a HOMIN convert)
Although I am a Type 2 TVXQ5 fan (means only support TVXQ when they are 5 and not 2) simply because, while being a TVXQ5 fan, I am also a totally Prince charming Kim JaeJoong bias fan since the beginning.
Now, I love the 3 boys but of course, my bias still stay the same!
That is why, I love JYJ & JYJ3!!!
I’m a new JYJ fan (it hasn’t been a year since I started listening to their music). I recently cleaned up my iTunes library and found out I had some old TVXQ songs. I don’t even remember having them. Maybe one of my friend downloaded it for me. Anyways, I tried listening to it but, to be honest, I didn’t really enjoy it. The music just didn’t feel…… as genuine to me. I’m not trying to rile up any OT5 and TVXQ fans here. I mean, it’s definitely catchy and all but It just wasn’t my cup of tea. I’m not much into Kpop anyways. Now, if I’m not even a fan of TVXQ then, why would you expect me to like the TVXQ now?
Honestly, I don’t know how I will react if they do somehow end up reuniting. I seriously don’t want to think that far ahead though. I really just want to enjoy JYJ’s music now. So, PLEASE STOP TELLING ME THAT I HAVE TO LIKE 2VXQ BECAUSE THEY MIGHT “REUNITE” WITH JYJ. It’s like telling me I have to like everything JYJ’s friends and family does just because they are associated with JYJ.
sickening isn’t it? just like your a puppet or a baby teaching you and telling you what to do.
If you like others fine, good for you.
I can only love one at a time and i love JYJ as a whole!
We as JYJ fans loves JYJ. Period.
It is a free country, support which ever artist you want. you don’t have to love 2VXQ just because you are a new or old fan of JYJ. It is your choice.
As long as you like or love JYJ, this is the site for you.
To those OT5, who are still bearing resentment against JYJ for the breakup of TVXQ5, please be mindful that this site is dedicated to JYJ.
To those 2VXQ fan and HOMIN fan only, why are you even here??? If you have free time to spazz on JYJ, you are welcome. but be mindful always that this is JYJ site. You might ended up falling in love with JYJ!
@claudia
Oh for goodness sakes, take your own advice: PLEASE GROW UP AND BEHAVE BETTER. I’d say more but my lovely sisters have already put it succinctly.
@claudia
“i was just going through the comments because I just couldn’t read them”
Perhaps this is your 1st problem: not reading through enough of the comments to fully understand what was discussed.
Quick summary of some of comments (since it was clear that YOU did not read): JYJ fans are less troubled by HM/TVXQ@’s decisions to stay with SMe than with HM’s SUBSEQUENT deliberate and public verbal belittling of JYJ (through different SNS forums and on various media) virtually publicly ridiculing and nullifying their former brothers’ claims of suffering of injustice. Not to mention their hurtful co-opting of the legendary TVXQ(5) legacy that ALL 5 contributed to for themselves.
Just realized something positive:— Painful though all this might be, somehow JYJ stans, JYJ fans and JYJ-bias fans seem to be made of sterner mettle. We do not easily shy away from hurtful realities and refuse to be daunted by “impossible” barriers thrown up at them. Much like JYJ themselves. 🙂
This is an epic song! So beautifully composed and written that I forget it’s about their sad story..
After having knowledge of this song, I totally understood why they walked out of SM.
The first thing I noticed: The mistake the Professor made when talking about who owns TVXQ name rights. TVXQ belongs to YH, JJ, YC, JS and CM not to SM.
Yes!
¿Are you sharpening your sword my dear ninja J2? 😉
I really can’t help it with some of the comments here….
Haha^^ so am polishing my JYJ frying pans as well.
YES! the frying pans need to be en guard now!
Twinnie, wait for me. MSN isn’t behaving itself in Chrome, so I’m going to log in via IE.
Hi all sisters of JYJ3…I’m in full power now with 2 frying pans….Wait up for me !!!!
hahaaha Of coz we’ll count you in sweetie~
how should i read this 332 comments? (_ _)”
Slowly~
Haha^^ I just did now also…
omg…there are new users keep piling up comments, interesting comments that I somehow enjoy reading them, especially how they got to know JYJ…interesting they posted them here in response to some comments…
So I shall sing to die-hard OT5 who ALWAYS think that JYJ-only fans HATE HM… “Why can’t you let it go~ Let it go~ Let it go~”
It’s 2012… Haven’t they learned? err~ I dont think so… hahah~
Admins! Admins! Admins where you at?! Could you please close the comment section now. I don’t want any fanwars/misunderstandings to ruin JYJ’s upcoming Chile/Peru concerts. I want a full house and most of these fans that will hopefully attend are both 0T5 fans and JYJ only fans, and probably curiousHM fans too.
How so?
If you love JYJ and their music, you wouldn’t let anything hinders you from attending their concert and enjoying their music.
If those people get affected and back away from JYJ, it only means they don’t love them enough…. kinda like some ot5 isn’t it?
And avoiding the issue at hand isn’t gonna solve any problems.
“And avoiding the issue at hand isn’t gonna solve any problems.” – so true, better face the issue, the sooner the better. Please keep in mind that this is a JYJ concert in Chile/Peru, South America, no other band concert. K-Pop South America fans should know that.
comments here wont ruin JYJ’s concerts.
it will only show how much we still need to talk abt things surrounding them, and it opens our eyes at who is watching, why and what they’re seeing, when you see the comments section.
only DIEHARD OT5ers (and ofc HM fans) will only think we’re creating chaos by talking abt these things…
but what the heck would they be thinking reading stuff and comments on YJ3? ahhh yes, bec THIS SITE IS STILL ALIVE and has the MOST ACTIVITY! It’s MORE FUN HERE, if you wanna call it that!
*forgive the typo… it’s supposed to be JYJ3, not (Yoochun Jaejoong3….) ahhahaah~
sorry junsu!
LOL!!!! I didn’t even notice the mistake. I often type JYj by mistake & have to go back & correct it. My little finger is too lazy to keep holding down the Shift key! Sorry Junsu….
WOAH TOO MANY TROLL IN THIS COMMENt
@dolta
DITTO!!!!
he left out anothere possibility for a reunion. if both sides are willing to set aside their pride and recent history, they could collaborate for an album. other artists do that all the time. two artists under different labels and names come together, make an album and split the profit. they can do the same, split the profit in half, and whatever each side wants to do with the money, in this case sm will probably pocket 75 percent of homin’s share, they cand o. this way we get the five original dbsk members in one album, and everyone can stay with their management. but honestly i feel like this might be impossible too, only because sm is greedy and will probably clash with the management of jyj (cjes). well, i can hope, can’t i?
It’s possible .. i mean a concert or an album won’t kill them right? .. I remember here in manila when the band Eraserheads reunited for a concert after quite some time of split. The guys comprising this band really have issues with each other but their songs were good. And in fairness to them, when they split, no one used the name Eraserheads. A good contract with a huge sponsor paved the way for a reunion concert.
I imagine a reunion concert for some big charity event or an album collaboration where the proceeds of the sales would go to some charity foundation.
I doubt we’ll have problems with negotiations on JYJ side, but the old school sme will most likely be a prima donna when this happens. You know how it is, it would probably make sme cringe to be negotiating with the prodigal sons they wanted to crush to the ground.
@teya
“It’s possible .. i mean a concert or an album won’t kill them right? .. I remember here in manila when the band Eraserheads reunited for a concert after quite some time of split.”
You are forgetting that squarely in the middle of anything involving JYJ and Homin squats SM Entertainment and their remorseless vendetta to ruin the careers of JYJ. That’s the difference. SM wants to shut down JYJ so that they can then have complete freedom to re-write history and continue on exploiting the name TVXQ with impunity. So it’s a little different than a band just breaking up, doing different things for a while and then deciding to re-form for concerts or the like.
waah, don’t get me wrong .. am just saying it’s possible in the context of a one-time charity event or something for the greater good .. while eraserheads did it clearly for the money, something profound would move the heart of JYJ. I just don’t really know with homin and of course with sme … 🙂
@teya
“waah, don’t get me wrong .. am just saying it’s possible in the context of a one-time charity event or something for the greater good .. ”
Greater good or not, here’s why it would be inadvisable: the OT5 fandom would go absolutely insane and start demanding “More, More, MORE!” Then, if more didn’t materialize, another huge fanwar would break out, like in the beginning, just after the split. We’d be starting ALLLL over again with all the rancor and mutual hostility. It would be exactly the opposite of what JYJ want for their fans. I’m convinced that they want us to be happy and peaceful with things as they are. This would be flinging us all back to The Ugly Beginnings of Things.
Beyond that, there’s just no way SME would ever allow this to happen. Because suddenly all sorts of unpleasant scrutiny would once again be on them as to WHY they keep Homin on such a short leash, WHY Homin can’t have any of the freedoms that JYJ has, WHY Homin is still gagged and afraid to open their mouths, why, why, why! Also, all of a sudden the entire fandom would be able to compare the 5 member DBSK with the 2 member version. Not a good comparison. Then JYJ would go away again and Homin would look like an anemic step-sister compared to the DBSK including JYJ. Obviously it would be disaster for Homin’s prestige and would beg the question–why are things like this? Why can’t they still work together? DBSK2 is totally lame compared to the REAL DBSK! Etc. etc. None of these questions can be answered very easily by SM, let alone, as AFriendOfJYJ mentioned earlier, the financial splits that would have to happen, that C-jeS would insist upon, would leave Homin with chump change compared to what JYJ would demand and get. This would be vastly embarrassing to EVERYONE, I would venture to say.
So no, for all these reasons,. plus all the reasons others have mentioned, I don’t see it happening.
@teya
@michelle (@seunghyunlovemi)
“It’s possible .. i mean a concert or an album won’t kill them right? I imagine a reunion concert for some big charity event or an album collaboration where the proceeds of the sales would go to some charity foundation.”
“in this case sm will probably pocket 75 percent of homin’s share, they cand o. this way we get the five original dbsk members in one album, and everyone can stay with their management…” “well, i can hope, can’t i?”
_____________
SIGH….
The problem I have with those who are holding out for “reunion” or collaboration under SME is that if you take a hard, close look at this hope or fantasy it reeks of complete selfishness and self-gratification on the part of the fandom. It’s an ever pervasive attitude that says I don’t care how the product gets made or who the source is as long I get mine and enjoy it; I don’t care who is behind it. It says, I really don’t care if you as an artist have to suffer, as long as I am able to get the music I love and enjoy. It’s like when Yunho told JYJ just patch things up with SME and come home.
Statements like this reveal a deep insensitivity to JYJ… their past history and present. It completely negates what has taken place over the last 8 years. To say — “I mean a concert or an album (with HOMIN) won’t kill them right?” Well …. Here let me get graphic… Imagine a group of “Johns” meeting a woman who was their favorite prostitute years ago but she left her PIMP after years of getting $1 of every $100 she made. Now these men who proclaim how much they loved her and how good she was,say to her… We miss you so much well why not just work for him one more night… it wont kill you, so please go back to him and just work one more night please, after all we got so much enjoyment out of you and we miss you so much, will it kill you to work for him just one more night?” And as to” sales to charity foundation” If the John’s donated their payments to charity, would that make the ex-prostitute feel any better? She freed herself of her past life, she has built a new life with a new image and wants to move on, yet these men continue to hold on to her past and ask her to return to a life she struggled hard to free herself from and they keep asking… and why do they ask? because its to gratify their own pleasure.
Please think long and hard before making a comment like: “I mean a concert or an album (with HOMIN & SME) won’t kill them?”
If after following JYJ all this time you still don’t know the answer to this question… then really nothing I could say to you could help you understand why such an “unholy alliance” will never occur.
@AFriendOfJYJ
“Imagine a group of “Johns” meeting a woman who was their favorite prostitute years ago but she left her PIMP after years of getting $1 of every $100 she made. Now these men who proclaim how much they loved her and how good she was,say to her… We miss you so much well why not just work for him one more night… it wont kill you, so please go back to him and just work one more night please, after all we got so much enjoyment out of you and we miss you so much, will it kill you to work for him just one more night?””
Wow–that is really an inspired analogy. Thank you. It perfectly illustrated what I view as the less than savory underbelly of the OT5 fandom. “Because WE JUST WANT IT!” It’s a spoiled and selfish attitude and I daresay it will no longer be a persuasive argument with JYJ. They are now in charge of deciding what they will and won’t do. Their fans since becoming JYJ are overwhelmingly supportive of what THEY choose to do and very protective of them regarding anyone who tries to manipulate them any further. They’ve DONE all they can do, all they plan to do as DBSK and in the service of SME for its owners’ exclusive enrichment.
@A Friend Of JYJ
Do u know what’s the problem with u n other people who still hope for the reunion ? u guyz just cant let them go, so that hold u back n make u yuzz cant move on . . .
The problem between JYJ n Homin more complicated then we think n the wound deeper than we though, yes may be one day they can make up n be friends again because there’s no forever enemy but there’s a chance too that they willl never settle the missunderstanding.
In my point we fans JYJ3, Cassie, Big East n other fans must let JYJ n Homin to take their own path, their own road, they are young man for God sake , no one force them to leave or stay in SM so whatever they choice are the best for them, so let them to be JYJ n TVXQ2 n dont give a damn bout reunion thing again coz i just will coz fan war but in the end only wound n heartbreaking that we all will get.
Dont make burden for JYJ n TVXQ2 , they happy in they condition now n i know jaejoong once told that very hurt when people called them ex TVXQ but i think we cant blame people for what they assuming because Homin said it self that JYJ not part of TVXQ ( if im not wong but i remember reading news bout Homin said sth like that ), all matter for JYJ now is that not their past but their future , there’s no use too looking back so u must reach the bright future.
And some people said dont underestimate TVXQ5 friendships . .. plz dont be so naive, these days even siblings can be enemy, even parents n kids can be enemy , sometimes friendship come n go and yoochun said himself that the problem between them not sth that can solve with one man big heart so i think the problem n wound between them more complicated n deeper.
Even my heart break when TVXW split but i accpet the fact that they are in different road now n i never thought bout reunion after i hear Homin bad comment bout JYJ n dont u guyz dare to argue that Sm told them that coz i wont buy that, for me they all grown up young man who can decide everyhing on their own without people telling them to do so.
And u know the funny fact that what JYJ fight for this long happened to Backstreet Boys once, they sue their own company since the company wont tell the boys how much exactly they earn n even they said themself in entertainment u cant trust almost everyone n thats why they decide to more involve in the management, n Backstreet Boys once hiatus n have personal problem between Nick n the othe member but they can solve it but their problem not complicated like JYJ n no one bad mouthing bout others.
So to all my sisters face the reality . . . JYJ is JYJ , TVXQ2 is TVXQ2 . . . accept the reality so u guys wont have any burden
@Ndi Chan
Um… I think you might have been responding to the wrong person. @A Friend Of JYJ was explaining why it’s wrong of some fans to try & push for a TVXQ reunion, exactly because of all of the deeper wounds between them.
michelle (@seunghyunlovemi)
“. if both sides are willing to set aside their pride and recent history, they could collaborate for an album.”
Hmmm???? My friend, I am perplexed by your comment when you say BOTH sides should “set aside their pride”. Not once have I ever seen anyone use the word pride as you have used it here to describe the character and nature of JYJ. See because a word like “pride” as you have used it here is the daily DOMAIN of HOMIN and SME along with words like arrogance, and abuse of power.
When you say JYJ should “set aside their pride,” I have to ask, do you really feel these three young man have been prideful for the past 3 years in their struggle? If they had any pride to begin with it has been beaten out of them a long time ago. By all accounts they have been made to “EAT HUMBLE PIE”, almost daily for the past three years and they have eaten that humble pie with grace and dignity. They have demonstrated more HUMILITY under fire than I have ever seen in adults twice their age, who have much more life experience to call upon. (Just recently again they were insulted by the KBS “Dressing Room” Award Presentation. Notice how our boys graciously accepted and drank the herbal tonic. Pride? I think not…. )
Pride is not a word I would associate with JYJ. If collaboration were even a consideration the ones with pride issues would NOT be JYJ. In the last three years not once has JYJ said “we intend to climb to the top of the mountain and dominate the K-pop music scene.”
No they’ve said.. All we want to do is sing our songs, freely. Pride?
HOMIN and pride, now yes lots of pride and arrogance there. Changmin has made it clear that their intent is to PROVE they made the right choice by staying with SME. By making such statements there is an insinuation that they will do “anything” to prove they were right.
These two now speak boldly of the TVXQ5 past as though just the two of them built the TVXQ5 brand without the other three. So now in addition to pride we can add delusion and arrogance to the list. And what can we say about SME? For the last three years this company has demonstrated the epitome of what it means to be prideful. Pride and Arrogance for HOMIN and SME has become part of the very fabric of their characters.
So you can hold on to your hope/fantasy of collaboration and you have every right to it, but please don’t demean JYJ by saying your hopes of collaboration may be crushed because you feel JYJ has let go of their pride issues. Like I said Pride when used in a negative way is not a word I would associate with JYJ.
@A Friend of JYJ
Well said, sweetie. You made your point really well and I totally agree with it.
@AFriendOfJYJ
““. if both sides are willing to set aside their pride and recent history, they could collaborate for an album.””
My problem with Michelle’s naively optimistic scenario is that she is assuming that JYJ and Homin are both artists. JYJ, yes. But Homin? Hardly. They would have nothing to bring to a song collaboration but a need to cut them in for a percentage for sitting there. They don’t play instruments, they don’t write songs. Do you get it? So far in their careers they sing what they are told to sing. They have not been motivated to do anything more. They are not writers as JYJ are and have been for quite a while now. There’s nothing there that JYJ would be doing well to ally themselves with except “old times sake.”
JYJ has been busy for the last couple of years fighting for their lives as artists, to be able to continue to perform and create music. They’ve been fighting against Homin’s close personal mentors, their employer, SME. Everything SME has done to hinder and block JYJ has furthered Homin, make no mistake about that; they’ve been playing on that uneven playing field that SME has arranged for them without a whimper of protest at what SME has been up to. I somehow think JYJ are a bit fed up at this point with The Two and will grow only more so as time goes on if SME constantly continues to try to mess with them..
A+++
@A Friend of JYJ
very well said and I’m very thankful you clearly laid down the comparative definition of PRIDE, ARROGANCE with an addition of delusion (LOL) when applied to JYJ and their former “brothers/friends” and “family-sm”…
@A Friend of JYJ
@lilibaiyu
@kris
I’m so thankful for for all your reply here to michelle (@seunghyunlovemi)
Pride and prejudice… well defined ^^
@A friend of JYJ….so agree…. you have really good one ^__^
A++++
love your comment \^_^/
@A Friend Of JYJ
Thank you for articulating this as clearly, decisively & as calmly as you did. As @sally_b puts it, the white-glare of anger was driving me over the ledge until I read your replies! 😉
@michelle (@seunghyunlovemi) Your idea of collaboration is far fetched. Wounds are too deep and will take a very long time to mend. I would’ve preferred if JYJ and Homin vented out their frustrations/disagreements by hitting each other physically. Instead, those 2 (esp. Changmin) released defamatory statements. All 5 of them were devastated by the split but to come out in public and call your once considered “beloved hyungs” geese and insinuate that success went up to their heads is adding insult to the injury. Words are more powerful than they seem to be.
@pian
Totally agree with you. The word “geese” was the one that made me realize the real ugly truth.
one curious question. is why did yunho and changmin stay:? =o =[
@ireneshy
One very simple reason — They’s Crazy!
LOL…the first time i see my sister with very short explain..^___^ agree hhahah
Now Lili, you know OT5 and Homin fans stalk us right? 😛
@ireneshy
To answer your question, I’d say that I don’t know why Yunho and Changmin stayed, and I don’t care enough to try to rationalize any of their decision.
Back then when I used to care, I collected some popular stories that until these days I can still hear people tell:
(1) Parental influence – the two greatly respected and were unduly influenced by their parents who happen to place great significance on loyalty and faithfulness. My stand on this: this story is inconsistent. As a Cassie from (almost) debut until recently, I did not notice this mollycoddle in YHCM and especially the former’s personality traits. If it’s true, great, but it makes the 2 become pathetic if you ask me.
(2) SM’s maneuver – the company managed to turn the 5 members against each other by spreading lies and the whole fiasco was just a big misunderstanding. This is by far the most popular one among OT5. To me it sounds somewhat ridiculous, but I guess it’s always easier to blame everything on the bully SME.
(3) JYJ’s fault – JYJ somehow did something so horrible and atrocious that the 2 could never forgive them. This is what Homin stans came up with, and it’s a matter of faith more than anything else. In my wildest dreams I can never imagine JYJ doing anything of similar nature to the friends whom they very much appreciate and have constantly been reaching out for. Mind you, 3 members of DBSK dance team in Korea left with JYJ (the rest didn’t stay with Homin either) and Tohoshinki dance team in Japan disbanded. If I can recall correctly DBSK stylist also left with JYJ. The people who logically would know much of the inside stories went with JYJ against all odds. If that doesn’t ring anything to you I don’t know what will.
These are for your own judgment. As I said before, it doesn’t matter to me why they chose this path anymore – I don’t know this new group and I don’t care much about them. I only care when they start attacking and hurting JYJ publicly. I don’t know how familiar you are with those incidences but that’s exactly what they’ve been doing. (And I have a completely different set of theories about this too if you’re interested LOL)
@wicked angel
“Now Lili, you know OT5 and Homin fans stalk us right?”
I think I’ve already been pegged as a trouble-maker long before this. 🙂
I also think that they would do well to read several of these posts on this topic though.
Maybe something among them will ring a bell. Sooner or later, these people have
to wake up.
@lilibaiyu
I think they’re not, instead they were smart and calculative.
They know exactly their place in TVXQ5 and the grandeur of TVXQ kingdom, it’s worth and fame. With that they know also their LIMITATIONS and CAPABILITIES. I’m sure with sm’s words/promise ( I don’t think there was threat) for them and their family, who will dare to leave and step on a dark tunnel, banging their heads on the greatest wall, that is craziness for them. They can’t gamble because they don’t have enough to bet OR they feel there’s no reason to gamble. They stay and they inherit everything about TVXQ’s kingdom, the crown, the scepter, the seat of the KINGS are all theirs, only for the two of them. The light is now focused solely for them, when they were 5, we know who had the more spotlight. TVXQ – what a mighty name when even Jaejoong and Yoochun inked that on their skin, so for Homin, how can they resist to OWN that name just for the two of them?
For the economic gain, freedom and growth, that’s another story and I don’t think the 2 are thinking about that.
For how long that crown keeps on shining, well, the discussion is to be continued…
@Kris
“They know exactly their place in TVXQ5 and the grandeur of TVXQ kingdom, it’s worth and fame. With that they know also their LIMITATIONS and CAPABILITIES. I’m sure with sm’s words/promise ( I don’t think there was threat) ”
Well, of course I was kidding, but your explanation is really interesting and certainly thought provoking. I have to say it puts them in a highly unflattering light, at least to my mind anyway. Greedy for the spotlight–the whole spotlight. Wasn’t it ironic then that “greedy” was one of the most common insults hurled at JYJ in the beginning…
@lili
Actually with my limited English, I can’t find the most appropriate single term/phrase to summarize what I’ve written…
“Greedy for the spotlight” …it could be (hahaha, am I playing safe here?)
“I think they’re not, instead they were smart and calculative.”
Come to think of it, this is true. Why give up the fame and glory for something unknown and most likely a suicidal path to one’s career. I bet almost everyone in sme and others believed that JYJ was done for when they left. Now JYJ is sending ripples of shock everywhere.
LOL….” why did yunho and changmin stay:?” your question not simple like we see in this fandom after more then one year follow ..I can say little:
DISCUSS:
1. Maybe they don’t trust they have enough support from fans or talents to find and build up their freedom way and again a big grant powerful awful, bloodsucker SM. (Too much risky like killing career)
2.Maybe they love so much “Sm family and LSM father who control everything..phone, speak, work, rest all 24/hours, 7days a week….like SOMEONE always said
3.maybe they want to “protect the NAME” more then their behoved brother share with them 8 year tears and bloods
and many more reasons maybe all sisters in here with excellent English can explain add more in here LOLLL^__^
@Anva
” why did yunho and changmin stay:?” your question not simple like we see in this fandom after more then one year follow ..I can say little:”
I’m with you on one and two more or less (I still like my earlier answer best lol) But answer number three is a no go in my book because it is EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what is truly happening. By staying at SM Homin have exposed the name unconditionally to SME — offered it up to them on a silver platter really, to be used, exploited and of course to also allow SM to begin to slowly and systematically exclude mention of an important reason WHY that name is so valuable: the hard work and talent of the three departed members. SM will attempt whenever possible to re-write history so that soon we will routinely be hearing that Homin are the only reason DBSK was great. I’m really wondering if Cassies will actually sit still for that or if they will start to protest at long last.
@Lili…My sis, i tell you about little funny about my first comments in pubic site about JYJ and other…and this a my first experiences comment too ^___^
I never any fan of any artist or dont know about K-pop eitheir untill watch SKKS and i read one comment about men lead (LOL..you know who) ” he not hansome like other 2.” and i saw allot comments rely with OOOOO..” not handsome..you know who is he???..he is Yuchun..blalala….OK he look interesting with me..and i researched everything about Yochun and I found some TO5 site…I read and read until i got some information..Young Kpop band, 5 lovelly boys ..and all comments they are soooo love each other, they spent 7 years hard work , share all kind up and down , tear and bloods..to build up their band..the band not mean anything if miss even one member..soo on..and i am the type of the girl really think the love, care and family are very important and i like them …..
2 week later..one day other 2 had the interview with ” protect the NAME” was the reason…WHAT?? the reason was look sooo weir with me…who made the name??, how about their call brothers?? i feel be treat like a kid…and came up my first comment in my life…” why they dont protect their brothers??” and you know happened …long list relied and bashed with all anry…LOL…ny hair stood up…That is the MEAN OF FANDOM?? that the question I ask this time…but lucky i found JYJ3 later if not maybe I will run away with my terrible experienced…hahahaha..sorry for my English ^___^
Protest? Nah~ there will always be delusional people around.
@anva
What an amazing story. Thanks for sharing it with me and all of us here. I always love finding out how people find their way here because so often, after they finally get here, they are like, “Finally! People who aren’t crazy!”
lol
I’ve never seen anything like the rudeness of Homin fans or the willful blindness. They just will NOT listen to anyone else’s take on things, they immediately become verbally abusive, name-calling, swear words–the whole thing. And that’s just for politely disagreeing: for taking exception to their ridiculous beliefs that make no logical sense and yet can’t ever be questioned without the sky falling in on you. That’s why I’m happy here. We can discuss, we can disagree and hopefully learn new things. I learn from people here EVERY DAY. That’s why I’m so fond of everyone here.
@anva
I’m so happy you’re here. You’re one of my favourite sisters, & JYJ3 isn’t the same without you. ^____^
@lili & @twinnie
“Finally! People who aren’t crazy!”
Please PLEASE include us twinnies in that category… we really ARE NOT! heheheh!
kidding aside… I also wanna thank the STALKERS… you GUYS are AWESOME!!!!!!!
Thanks for the free press on your blogs, and for the hits you contribute when you tell your litter mates abt how terrible and hateful people are in JYJ3!!!!!!! (sorry, i have two new adopted kittens playing beside me on my bed… >///<)
my @Sapphire… i don’t know i deserve what you said ..but i know you and @MINMIN and a lot of sisters in here really make this place like my second home, like magic medicines when I have home sick, lonely.. and where I can share my happy time, fun, joke..all time up and down with JYJ and JYJ Familly Thank you ..Thank you ^______________^
“one curious question. is why did yunho and changmin stay:? =o =[”
cause they’re —————–>scared with SM,KBS,KFC?,KPIAC?,AVEX.
Reunion huh?
Problem with many ot5 is that they don’t truly care about the well-being of the 5 guys.
Yes, HM included.
They only care about (what my other sisters here mentioned) “What I want!”.
I don’t even need to talk about what will happen to JYJ if they are being forced to return to sm somehow, as everyone who really do care about JYJ will know.
Let’s talk about HM then.
JYJ are on a totally different level with HM right now. (Whether or not those ot5 or HM fans wanna admit)
JYJ have developed musically and artistically so much more than HM who just sing & perform what sm told them.
But well, at least now, they hold 50/50 of a song. And what happens when JYJ are around? They get a few verses here and there and probably some raps or screaming parts, that’s all.
So what are those people trying to say?
That you don’t mind if your bias sing little coz I enjoy all5 more. Truth is, you enjoy JYJ singing more! So why don’t you just listen to JYJ? Simple isn’t it? 😛
Next. After all that happen the past 2 years. JYJ can face HM with their heads held high for they have never once say anything bad about HM. Can we say the same thing of HM then? How can they face JYJ when words that came outta their mouths were less than friendly? They will be embarrassed had they have any shame! Are you gonna subject your bias to that?
Then, even if it’s only a collaboration that sm somehow got struck by lighting and agree, JYJ becomes an equal negotiator so lets just say they get half of the earnings and the other half by sm. So what about HM? 1% less all expenses, then divide by 2?
So again you are subjecting your bias to that?
There are many more that I can mention but do I really have to?
If you really love someone, you wouldn’t wanna subject him/them to all those nonsense they may face.
@shadow
“Then, even if it’s only a collaboration that sm somehow got struck by lighting and agree, JYJ becomes an equal negotiator so lets just say they get half of the earnings and the other half by sm. So what about HM?”
My Ninja! i think you’ve just hit on the ultimate answer to all of the OT5’s wishlist of Must Have’s re: JYJ and Homin! SOMEBODY’S gotta be struck by lightening! Ideally somebody at SM–somebody at the top. The Chairman. maybe….
Yeah~ call me nasty but I really hope he just disappear from the face of earth!
@Shadow
In my dark and idle hours I sometimes fantasize as follows: of all the fabulous donations, pricey branded goods, luxurious gifts, etc etc the JYJ fandom has bought or contributed towards in the last few years…. WHY couldn’t we just call this another “fan project,” take up a collection and hire the best hitman money can buy? The object of our fan project: Take Out Lee Soo Man. Why couldn’t we?? If about 20,000 of us contribute, even if we’re found out–can they arrest us all? If so, couldn’t we all just claim the “Crazy Fangirl Defense” and get off with a warning not to obliterate any further despicably evil slime weasels in the future??
Or, maybe I should just consider cutting back on my caffeine intake before bedtime….
Dear @Lili
Even though I actually will be very interested in THAT project, pls remember to say it’s all a joke coz ya know, we have lots of spies here. LOL^^ 😀
OMG @lili
No need for the hitman, we’ll just report him to the City Hunter, anyway they’re both from the same city! lol
@shadow
Yes, I’m also worried for the PEA-BRAINED SPIES ..but anyway @lili says ” in my dark and idle hours I sometimes fantasize” , am I seeing someone screencapping this post?…
@Shadow
@Kris
Ahhhh…. **sigh**…. I’m getting more than a little tired of delineating which posts are serious and which aren’t for the edification of my invisible unfan club. To all readers with more than 5 or 6 active brain cells it should be FAIRLY obvious. Then again, why would I assume that people who have nothing better to do with their lives and talents than lurk here and grab a post of mine and run and tell mommy and daddy on a Homin List would have more than 5 or 6 active brain cells? Silly me.
And no, that post was not serious.
HAHAHA @Lili, you almost killed ME with your post! I whooped with laughter, choked, and started a coughing fit, freaking the shit out of my dog and my husband, who are both staring at me like I’ve sprouted wings or fangs or both.
Ahh my dear @Lili, you’ve given them too much credit.
“More than 5 or 6 active brain cells?” ??? It probably is just 1 or 2 at most!
I would believe, that somehow, somewhere in their dark hidden chamber, there is a list of names taken from JYJ3 consisting of those who are black-listed by them.
My guess is I’m in too. (Hello there!)
Oh yes, they are that nutty.
Else explain why we get visitors every now and then, who will come in and make ‘silly’ comments or even bother to thumb the posts down???
Geez~
Oh, and did I mention they also ‘follow’ the boys and tweet nasty things to Jae?
So yes, they are cray-cray alright!!!
@ Shadow
U know we can make project to make a mask n give it to Homin so when Homin meet JYJ they can use that mask coz they must feel embaras after talk very bad to JYJ hahahhahahhahahha . . . . joking . . .
N like my other sista here i wish Soo Man can go to hell , even i think hell still too good for him . . is there worst place beside hell ? . . .
Well Homin just puppet now but thats the choice they made n every words bout JYJ which come from their mouth i will consider that’s what they felt , i wont buy shit things bout sm pressure them to said so . . both are grown up man n Yun ho even the leader of the group, so for me what Homin said is what they said . .
Every JYJ n Homin choice made consequense n they must live that, for better or worse that’s life . . .
@Ndi Chan
You wrought >>>>
January 9, 2012 at 12:37 am said:
@A Friend Of JYJ
Do u know what’s the problem with u n other people who still hope for the reunion ? u guyz just cant let them go, so that hold u back n make u yuzz cant move on . . ”
?????? Ahhh Ndi Chan are you reprimanding ME? I think you must have NOT HAVE READ my posts properly. If you did you would not have lumped me > A Friend of JYJ> in with “u n other people who still hope for reunion.” Please go back and read my posts carefully. If you took the time to read my posts and came to this conclusion then I am truly at a loss as to how you made this mistake. I have no hopes for reunion or collaboration between JYJ and HOMIN. And anyone who posts here at JYJ3 regularly knows my thoughts and my stand on that topic.
Below are the first two paragraphs from my post… how on earth did you get from this that I want them to reunite??
THIS IS WHAT I SAID…..
“The problem I have with those who are holding out for “reunion” or collaboration under SME is that if you take a hard, close look at this hope or fantasy it reeks of complete selfishness and self-gratification on the part of the fandom. It’s an ever pervasive attitude that says I don’t care how the product gets made or who the source is as long I get mine and enjoy it; I don’t care who is behind it. It says, I really don’t care if you as an artist have to suffer, as long as I am able to get the music I love and enjoy. It’s like when Yunho told JYJ just patch things up with SME and come home.
Statements like this reveal a deep insensitivity to JYJ… their past history and present. It completely negates what has taken place over the last 8 years.”
____________________
I’ll take it that maybe you were replying to someone else and mistakenly picked up my user name.
But in any case if not and you were indeed responding to me…. well please read the thread carefully before posting replys.
Thank you in advance for your consideration.
PEACE!
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@Cat95 @lilibaiyu
Cats95 said-“Something has already taken places since this summer, their private shareholders continued to unload shares into the public pension funds..When I read that news. my first reaction was whoa! Clever move from SM shareholders. They are ahead of their game in protecting their investments. Leaving the working, middle, and poor classes holding the SM’s shares. Out of all the funds, they pick the pension funds. Humm…Politics at work.. We were so distracted, unable to understand why Government funding SMTown, in Paris.?”
Wow,,, it is going to be very interesting to see how SM big picture unfolds the next few months..I do feel sorry for the ordinary mums and dads retirement fund though….evidently ,History does repeat itself unfortunately…
It took me hours and hours to read. very interesting thread indeed….but I still want to add something if I may. 🙂
I’d like to address the people who are still dreaming of a TVXQ5 reunion, let me make you recall latter part of 2009. JYJ already filed the case. They still had some schedules to fulfill and they’re willing to do them. Example is the Mirotic concert in Schenzhen. JYJ’s lawyers wanted to see the contract first but SME refused to do so.
Then how about the shows that the 5 were supposed to perform in Japan, they flew in different flights but going to the same place, had different dressing rooms, managers made sure they won’t talk to each other. And when they preformed, Homin couldn’t even look at JYJ. It was awkward. I could still remember Changmin’s bitter face up to now.
So to OT5, I’m just giving you a scenario of how it will be if you want a collab. Do you honestly want these boys to go through these things again?
@cakestar
“So to OT5, I’m just giving you a scenario of how it will be if you want a collab. Do you honestly want these boys to go through these things again?”
You BET they do! Absolutely and in droves, they do. Because this particular group of OT5s is completely focused on WHAT THEY WANT without any regard or concern whatever for the happiness and well-being of JYJ or Homin. (and I don’t mean all OT5s because a whole bunch more are very reasonable people who also love JYJ as a 3 member group.) I’m not here to worry about Homin but I am going to support JYJ’s decision not to go back into the lion’s den after they have only barely escaped.
I only support jyj3
I just hope that jaejoong change his twitter 1.profile and remove “jyj from tvxq”
2.And I want jaejoong to stop following list “jyj-5”
If he does these two some dreaming fan will stop dreaming about the reunite
Only support the three hard working boys
Idk if anyone is still commenting on or looking at this page since it’s already been up a few days, but I am going to comment anyway.
This is my view on the whole JYJ-HoMin-DB5K thing.
I do not see a reunion, at least not anytime in the near future. Why? Because I don’t believe it will happen unless JYJ rejoins SM (which definitely will not happen), or if HoMin leaves SM (which is also not going to happen, at least not anytime soon). But let’s just hypothetically say, for whatever reason, HoMin randomly leaves SM and goes “hey jyj, lets be a group of 5 again!” Will JYJ just be like “okay!!!” and forget all that’s happened in between? No way!
Firstly, there is too much that has gone on between the two “sides” of DB5K. JYJ have made it clear that they are disappointed that HoMin continued using the name “TVXQ,” though they remained very mature and calm about the whole matter. JYJ have never criticized HoMin. But HoMin, on the other hand, have trash-talked JYJ on more than one occasion, putting all the blame on JYJ while claiming their own innocence. And as the whole name thing goes, while HoMin claim it’s because they want to protect the name and not let people forget about them, I personally believe it is more likely that they were afraid they would not be successful if they started again with just the two of them, so they kept it as “TVXQ” to be secure.
Secondly, it is bad enough that HoMin stayed with SM instead of leaving with JYJ. What really sickens me is the fact that they can still sit there and talk about how much they love LSM as a father, along with their whole SM family, while SME is cock-blocking JYJ every 5 seconds. I’m sure HoMin had their reasons for staying (though what they could be is beyond me), but the fact that they continue to back this company that is hurting their supposed best friends/brothers baffles me. It seems to me that unfortunately their love for JYJ has been overshadowed by their own personal career desires. Apparently, seeing as they stayed, they are more concerned with continuing on under SM where they are guaranteed support by the company than with the welfare of their three friends.
Third, JYJ have just come SO INCREDIBLY FAR as a group of three! Musically, they have truly become artists. They write the majority of their music now, and many the songs have actual meaning, rather than just being another fun pop song. And they have overcome many barriers and have progressed to be real world stars. With being blocked from the media and having performances interfered with by SM and Avex, they have still continued on and have not given up. I do not think that if HoMin were to come to them, that JYJ would just forget all that they have been through and accomplished these past couple years.
Having said all that, I do believe that JYJ would be friends with HoMin again, were HoMin to give them the chance. But unfortunately, they have not been able to communicate. Honestly, I am not expecting a reunion and I don’t even want one because I feel like JYJ is greater now than they were in TVXQ. But I really do hope they become friends again and can work through some old wounds. I believe that all three of JYJ do long to be friends with HoMin again. I think this due to various tweets, lyrics, and many tears that they have shed. But as far as reuniting as a singing group of 5, I don’t think it’s likely. And frankly, I don’t know if their friendship can be regained due to HoMin’s refusal to budge from under SM’s wing. And I have not seen HoMin shed any tears over JYJ.
But who knows. I may be wrong. Maybe JYJ would say yes if HoMin just all the sudden wanted to rejoin with them. None of us really knows what the five members would do in that situation, we can only guess. But one thing that is true is that Jaejoong, Yoochun and Junsu have released several cds with and toured with the name “JYJ,” and as of now, they are JYJ, not TVXQ. Yes, they may be JYJ “from” TVXQ, but they are not actually “TVXQ” right now. They are JYJ. I wish more OT5s could support JYJ and HoMin separately as two groups, rather than insisting on calling the JYJ members “TVXQ.” Yes, they were a part of TVXQ. Yes, Jaejoong and Yoochun have TVXQ tattoos. Yes, being in TVXQ was a major part of JYJ’s lives. Yes, at one time, back when they were actually in TVXQ, they said things like “we will be TVXQ forever” and “TVXQ is only complete with the five of us,” and I’m sure at the time, they believed those words to be true. But now circumstances have changed and they have moved on, and it is only fair for OT5s to allow JYJ to move on rather than holding them back by supporting only “TVXQ.” And telling JYJ you will wait for them to be 5 again…. IMO, I think that is like negating everything JYJ have been through and accomplished, and it sounds like you don’t care about them or their music now, and the only reason you like them is because you liked them back as 5 and you won’t like them again until they are 5 again. Fine, you may like them as 5, but now they are 3 and 2, so please support them as such. If they are meant to be 5 in the future, then fine. But as of now they are not 5 and they probably won’t ever be 5 again. If you are true fans, I don’t see why they have to be 5 in order to support them. It’s true that Jaejoong has “JYJ from TVXQ” on his twitter, and many OT5s interpret this as him saying he is still TVXQ. Personally, I partially agree, because I think he is saying that he will not forget being in TVXQ, and he is indeed “from” TVXQ. But I think the “JYJ from” part is key, because he is clearly stating that while they used to be in TVXQ, they are now JYJ. And the whole AKTF thing, did any of the 5 members ever say that meant that they would be 5 forever? Because if they did, I don’t remember. All I remember is Jaejoong saying it means to stick to your beliefs. And ok, to be fair, OT5s use it to represent all 5 members being together because that is the belief of OT5. But please understand that that is not what JYJ means by it.
In summary, I don’t think there will be/should be a DB5K reunion. HoMin is TVXQ now, and JYJ are JYJ now. I believe JYJ have accomplished a lot and have come very far as artists, and I hope all their fans, whether JYJ fans or OT5s, can support them for what they are doing now.
Sry this is long. Btw, I am not intending to offend anyone with my words, I am just writing what I believe to be the truth.
And FYI, I have known TVXQ since 2007. Yes, back when they existed as 5, I was a “Cassie.” In the first couple of months after the lawsuit started, I was OT5, hoping they would be five again. But ever since JYJ’s showcase tour, I have completely sided with them. I in no way “hate” HoMin, but I do not agree with the choices they have made and I don’t like some words that they have said, and I cannot get into their new music, so I can no longer support them. But I love JYJ’s music and respect their decisions and efforts and struggles and accomplishments, and I am now always and forever JYJ fan.
I read your whole comment and I find it (mostly) with the same wavelength with what the JYJ3ers are thinking. Wish for those who believe otherwise to read thoroughly and all those similar posts, discern, and stop telling us “We don’t know everything why they left, why they stay so we have just to support and love all 5, and always keep the faith that they will be back as 5 again” at least not here in JYJ3 !
@Kris . .
I think there are some people who still cant let go the past ( TVXQ for me just a past, JYJ is the current the best group for me . . no offense to other group but that the real thing for me ), they cant accept the reality & face the truth that JYJ is JYJ now & even until now people always connect JYJ to TVXQ but so far i see JYJ succeed to step out from TVXQ shadow, lot new fans n those new fans some doesnt know bout JYJ past condition . . . . i always want to ask why they always said ” AKTF that 5 will be reunited again ” because so far i know from the beggining only JYJ who make that effort especially JJ, but they only thing they got just cold reaction from Homin.
And now looking at Junsu & Yoochun interview i think ” the reunion ” nearly impossible , too much pain between JYJ & Homin and i think their problems wont solve just because one side said ” i’m sorry ” , their conflict very complicated and i bet they didint expect the problem would be came these far & complicated, but all bad thing already happened, all bad words already said and we can turn back time to start over again , no . . . the pain is real, the dissapointed is real, the heartbreaking is real.
JYJ has been gone really hard day for the past 2 years ( i cant said anything bout Homin since i didnt follow their news ), and for JYJ the people who are with them in their hard time are trully their friends n families.
I dont see a point to always mention TVXQ everytime JYJ new out, and i dont see the point either that anties or some old fans attact or said bad bout JYJ , if they dont like JYJ just dont listen their music, dont watch their drama or performance, and for old fandome ( i mean OT5 or whoever who still dreamin 5 TVXQ will reunion ) if the name TVXQ so precious enough for them just do whatever they want but never bad mouthing bout JYJ , because JYJ never ever ask them to be side them . . no . . JYJ gain more fans with their own powers, music, and talent.
So for whoever whose still dreamin bout ” reunion ” just smash ur self, wake up n face the truth . . . JYJ is JYJ . . . TVXQ2 is TVXQ 2 . . . .in the end its JYJ
I agreed with your comments…Respect JYJ’s Musics & their choices & their hard works..Actually I don’t want them back as 5…TVXQ5 was a past tense…
@Della
Actually, I don’t either, Della. For a whole variety of reasons, I will be disappointed in them if they go back and work with The Two again. I say: Let a few decades go by. Start to notice a few gray hairs, JYJ. Start to get a bit nostalgic in your middle age. THEN maybe think about seeing the old boys again.
@lilibaiyu
Yep!!! Looking back as the years went by…Those 2 never “stand by” JYJ at all…I’m happy the 3 boys as JYJ only…
@Ellyellyelephant
I would hope that no one here EVER has to apologize in advance for making a carefully thought out personal assessment such as you have done. Thank Heavens we are not on one of those sites where if you write something people don’t like they heave rude F-bombs at you! I read your post and agreed completely with most of it, like kris. Now personally, I think the only way there could ever be a reconciliation is for YH&CM to get on their knees in front of JYJ and abjectly beg for forgiveness. Knowing what I know about the continually growing arrogance and ego of The Two, I just don’t see that happening. CM has announced publicly that he plans on spending the REST OF HIS LIFE proving he made the right decision to stay with SM. YH, the former Fearless Leader, just doesn’t say anything and always looks vaguely miserable.
This is an unfortunate combination: little talent and great ego. It makes for insecure, petty, reactionary people prone to ill-advised remarks that they can never take back.
I am sensing that the discrepancy between my views and most other JYJ3ers lies within my comments about the friendship of the five.
I just wanted to clarify that I am making a distinction between reuniting as a singing group and reuniting simply as friends. I do not expect a group reunion, and I do not want one. JYJ far exceed DB5K musically.
But like I said above, I do hope they can become friends again, because I get the impression that despite the seemingly ever-growing divide between them, deep down, JYJ wishes to be friend with HoMin again. And if that would make JYJ happy, then I wish it would happen for them. I am not saying it would be easy, and I am not saying that all would be immediately forgiven or that JYJ hold no angry feelings toward HoMin, because I’m sure they do. I am just saying that if HoMin were to budge just enough to at least, I don’t know, return one of their phone calls or text them or something, I believe JYJ would be willing to at least make an effort to get along with them again, rather than having an “it’s too late for that” attitude toward them. That’s my personal opinion, anyway.
@ellyellyelephant
” I do hope they can become friends again, because I get the impression that despite the seemingly ever-growing divide between them, deep down, JYJ wishes to be friend with HoMin again.”
I just have a hard time picturing how these young men could possibly be friends again when The Three have absolutely triumphed and vastly prospered against near impossible odds (those odds courtesy of SME, Homin’s purported great benefactors.) Homin has gone on record staunchly affirming their decision. That decision was…well, let’s just say the Mistake Of A Lifetime.
It gives me the willies just thinking about ever being so very very wrong about something so important and life-changing.
I try to imagine what that 5 member group would have been if they had walked out together. Pretty powerful and unstoppable–pretty easy for the whole freakin’ fandom to instantly rally behind. Total solidarity. Who in the world would have actually still supported SM’s “position” of subjugation such as it was?
Of course, this is why SM HAD to retain Homin and I still maintain that they virtually promised them/threatened them with anything it took to keep them. Then why not much earlier give in to JYJ’s initial demands, SM? That’s a question I have that may never be answered. I guess Fate reared it’s beautiful head at that point. The Three NEEDED to be free to go on and realize their dreams and that is exactly what happened.
@lilibaiyu
I agree, HoMin made a very wrong decision. “Very wrong” being an understatement. Though I do think JYJ in the end are very lucky that it went that way, so they were given the chance to grow and become so great as three.
“I just have a hard time picturing how these young men could possibly be friends again when The Three have absolutely triumphed and vastly prospered against near impossible odds (those odds courtesy of SME, Homin’s purported great benefactors.)”
HoMin definitely initially screwed JYJ over when they stayed with SM, and like you said, if they all left as five, they would have been “powerful and unstoppable.” And the fact that HoMin continue to stay by SM’s side is quite….unpleasant, for lack of a better word. But as I said before, I perceive JYJ to be willing to try to mend their broken friendship. Just the impression I get. And as I said, I am not saying it would be easy and all would (or should) be immediately be forgiven.
But I doubt that will happen any time soon anyway, if ever. I do believe that HoMin would need to first make an attempt to contact JYJ in order for this to occur, but they are too busy kissing SM’s asses.
What’s important now is that JYJ have each other and they are strong in spirit and talent and I truly believe that these three can achieve anything they set their minds to. They themselves have what it takes to make it (while others need a boost from a powerful company). JYJ will stick together and support each other and stand up for themselves and achieve their dreams and be successful all while being FREE, and this is what matters. 😀
JYJYC or YCJYJ or JYCYJ name doesn’t matter professor..>_>
but just imagine the 5 of them being as free as JYJ now. unstoppable talent power that can blow SM and the whole world away ❤
still waiting for the day to come…
Yes, I so agree with you. I don’t mind if they stay as JYJ and Homin … but it seems that JYJ will want to reunite with Homin … whether as a music group or not, time will tell. But the point is for them to get rid of their differences and be together as brothers/friends. Because this is what JYJ wants, I will support them in it.