For our last couple of polls, we asked you for the realization of your ultimate ideals in K-entertainment. Whether it is your ideal type or your ideal group, this time, we’re changing things up a bit. For our this poll, we’re going to be asking you to remove your favorite idols from the traditional, pop and performance modality and think above and beyond. Imagine your idols, who sing to our hearts, dance to our bodies, and perform to our souls, post-idoldom. After all, in the famous words of Andre 3000, “If nothing lasts forever, then what makes [K-pop] the exception?”
And the first poll to start us off on this fantastically elastic adventure is Most Likely to become CEO of Their Own Company.
While idols are traditionally performers who are all about the energy and the show, some idols have shown us that they’re about the creation as well. And while having demonstrated an interest in creating their own products, they’ve also managed to present themselves as leaders, who are willing to foster ideas and see their realization — a quality that requires a specific and yet undefinable combination of creativity, confidence, and charisma. While we live in the days of Kim Young-Min, Yang Hyun-Suk, and Jeong Wook, this might all change in a few years. You might see one of your favorite idols of the here and now, the CEO leading idols in the there and that.
So who’s it going to be, Seoulmates?
Winner!!
After what initially seemed like an all-kill win last week for Big Bang‘s G-Dragon as Most Likely to Become CEO of Their Own Company, JYJ‘s Kim Jaejoong, like always, ended up decimating the rest of the competition, coming out on top with 49.84% of the vote, followed by G-Dragon with 27.77% of the vote, and BoA with 15.88% of the vote.
With Jaejoong winning any and every poll, his victory may seem suspect, especially since his general attitudes and behavior don’t necessarily correspond to someone who would ideally be put in a leadership position, an essence that is best reflected in his rejection of the opportunity to be Dong Bang Shin Ki‘s leader. But both the times and situations have changed and Jaejoong has proven that he has a creatively minded, business streak. He has taken the lead in composing/writing many of Dong Bang Shin Ki/JYJ’s songs and he has taken creative and administrative control over many of his professional relationships. Many of the top companies are headed by former idols that took the same kind of initiatives that Jaejoong takes now and so, it is quite plausible and probably that Jaejoong will one day create his own idol groups and eventually head his own company.
“Kim Jaejoong, like always, ended up decimating the rest of the competition…”
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Waaaaah! Well done to everyone who voted for Jaejoong!
I’m so happy!!! That’s the power of JYJ’ers and Jaeharems 🙂
“especially since his general attitudes and behavior don’t necessarily correspond to someone who would ideally be put in a leadership position”
WHAT ?? Completely disagree! he has too many qualitys that fix leadership! like know to listen, wind up peolple, work serously, manage finacial issues …..countless
If you read things out of context, then it won’t convey the message that the author is intending.
Here is a better quote:
“…his victory may seem suspect, especially since his general attitudes and behavior don’t necessarily correspond to someone who would ideally be put in a leadership position, an essence that is best reflected in his rejection of the opportunity to be Dong Bang Shin Ki‘s leader. But both the times and situations have changed and Jaejoong has proven that he has a creatively minded, business streak.”
ke ke I voted it
me too 🙂
me too XP
Congrats to us, we win!
me too 🙂
i voted…yippeeeee!
Jae is the one who is teaching me art of soft leader ship.everything can be done in soft way,warm way,without doing harshly.
Second to that…..^____^
so true 😀
LOL! But, so true!
lol!! when i frist saw this poll! i thought GD will win..
but it seems i’m wrong..
congrats hubby Jae..
Congratulation JJ! Are the better! ❤
It won’t be a surprise if they announce that he become CEO in the future, he has that ability of the leadership.
“he has that ability of the leadership.” – yes, someone even said he is somewhat a dictator – ? – correct me if I’m wrong, but that word make me remember Steve Jobs.
“especially since his general attitudes and behavior don’t necessarily correspond to someone who would ideally be put in a leadership position”
Um, excuse me. Lots of people who are great leaders actly dislike the role. It’s usually thrust on them by circumstances and they rise to the challenge like no one else. ——> KIM JAE JOONG.
Just because he goes about it calmly, quietly, very often behind-the-scenes and w/o fanfare, does not make him any less efficient.
He has two qualities that distinguish him even among the so-called best leaders. One, he is unafraid. Two, he is fair and honest. In an industry ruled by money and corruption and where plenty are willing to turn a blind eye, he breaks barriers to get ahead of the game without making others a stepping stone. Final word. He deserves to win this poll and not only coz he has fans who want him to win it.
P.S. Shocked to hear that JJ had apparently rejected the leader role. That is definitely news to me :O
“P.S. Shocked to hear that JJ had apparently rejected the leader role. That is definitely news to me :O”
to me too! i want to know what does it means! 😦
I guess its because he’s the eldest one and eldest usually become the leader or the group, but i read somewhere that he didnt want to be the leader hence yunho be one. I guess its a good and smart decision made by jae tho.
Jaejoong was the oldest in DBSK so he should have held the leader position by default e.g. Leeteuk in S.J. They have always explained it was because Jaejoong turned down the role to Yunho. While that might have some truth in it, I doubt SMe actually wanted Jaejoong for the “leader” position. SMe don’t necessarily want a leader that will make the best decisions for the team, but someone to keep the other members in control, obedient/loyal to the company, and to be the “serious” member of the group.
Also, read my reply to @NicoRobinAzul (@NicoRobinAzul). Also, I don’t necessarily think Jaejoong would have made a great leader when he was younger either. But the point (of the article) was that he is now.
@jaime
” SMe don’t necessarily want a leader that will make the best decisions for the team, but someone to keep the other members in control, obedient/loyal to the company, and to be the “serious” member of the group. ”
Yes, you’re right. A company always wants a ” leader” who is pro-management, serves for the company’s interests, it is a threat for a company if the leader is pro-labor or pro-member – and that’s what Jae’s quality.
agree ! i don’t buy story of jae turned down the leader position of dbsk anymore. it was more likely SM was the one who decided that jae was not their best version of leader.
jae tells people what’s on his mind without any filter, i don’t think SM liked it. they need type of leader who can make the members listen to the company, not the other way around.
I actually read somewhere a long time ago that SM wasn’t sure of Jae as a leader because he was more prone to speak his mind and Yunho wasn’t. I really wish I remembered where I read that from, but I know it was before I really started to follow DBSK.
Couldn’t agree with you more Nikki 🙂
after watching the various videos of rehearsal, practices, games of TVXQ / DBSK we can see exactly who the leader of the group
me too and right know in jyj jaejoong is the leader—–>please correct me is wrong
@Nikki
“P.S. Shocked to hear that JJ had apparently rejected the leader role. That is definitely news to me :O”
Yes, that sentence – “With Jaejoong winning any and every poll, his victory may seem suspect, especially since his general attitudes and behavior don’t necessarily correspond to someone who would ideally be put in a leadership position, an essence that is best reflected in his rejection of the opportunity to be Dong Bang Shin Ki‘s leader.” – seemed like a gratuitous dig to me. He was, what? 19 years old back then?? And extremely shy, from what I’ve been able to see. Who else gets judged and found wanting on what they will one day become at that age? What a ridiculous statement.
@Lili – MTE. Ticked me off too.
I agree w/ what you said below about him being the shadow leader. I’ve nvr brought it up before in public for fear of causing fandom wars but I’ve always believed that JJ had more to do w/ the few executive decisions they were allowed to take than most people would guess. In fact, Claudelle and I have had several discussions on this topic, as recent as last night. lol. It comes across in subtle small ways, the evidence is there if you pay attention.
@ 0.30 you can see JS & YC practicing the choreo for the performance, then JS turns to JJ and asks if they can use include a particular step. And JJ says no. I think it’s interesting to watch how naturally JS turned to JJ for that decision and not anyone else. And how naturally (and rather firmly lol) JJ makes the call. This is the example I can think of off the top of my head, no doubt there are countless others.
@Nikki That we have my dearest Nikki! If there is anything to add, I believe Jaejoong is not afraid to take risks or the necessary sacrifices that I find indicative of his ever-increasing affinity for the leadership role.
@lilibaiyu Let’s see… 2003 is when TVXQ5 began commencing activities (JJ’s 26/27 as of now) so that makes it 9 years, meaning he was 17/18 at the time… But whichever way, I concur with your statements. JJ has had led a very unpredictable life thus far and he was always one subject to constant chang & evolution in accordance to his image. Seeing as I have not been contributing to JYJ3 as much as I would have liked as of late (being that my college work has kept me vigorously occupied), I would like to share this bit of conversation that I had w/ Nikki in the light of this post (concerning the video she linked as reference):
“…JaeSu (not just limited to JaeSu only as there are the other members to take into account ofc but I can readily observe many instances where leadership spoke for itself) seems to reveal in significant ways about JJ’s frontal role. The more and more I look at it, the more and more that I can see who the true leader of TVXQ5 was and how much Yunho wasn’t YH was the publicist and spokesman yes (albeit a contrived one), but tbh, his title as leader was just a place-holder and figurehead; suffice to say, it was frankly a joke because the ruse doesn’t really deceive us completely. Now, we can speculate as these are only theories technically as they were never officially confirmed, but I think it is viable to argue and deduce for ourselves that JJ was in the lead of everything from our hearts to the group dynamics in every consummate aspect. JJ always had this natural and intrinsic quality w/in him since the beginning even if he didn’t know it at the time. This is why that instance you showed me the other day somewhat disturbed me for lack of better words. I shouldn’t be surprised but it felt like such a provoking revelation that I had a discussion about this with my twin brother. He too conceded the same conclusion. I’ve always found it bizarre to begin with as to why JJ wasn’t in the position he should be in legitimately on an authoritative level. It strikes me as amazing how we just assumed circumstances as they were only to realize that deep down we knew all along about this regarding JJ’s command of TVXQ5’s brand. I’m completely convinced this isn’t because we are biased or we’re compelled to put JJ into further importance than he already is for that same reason. The truth is that JJ just was and is the leader. I have no doubt about it my mind.
For instance, notice the way that JS acts toward YH as opposed to JJ. If YH were really leader like they said he was, wouldn’t Junsu be more cautious in his behavior toward YH? It’s all very peculiar since he reserves that attitude towards JJ supposedly out of respect due to the fact that JJ was born months earlier when really YH & JJ are essentially the same age by the span of a few days (or weeks as JJ’s official b-day was registered 2 weeks earlier than his actual b-day). Even more curious, JS seems intent on maintaining this distance between himself and JJ for the most part professionally in a way he never did with YH. Doesn’t that scream alert anyone? (Ofc, JaeSu are more openly affectionate towards each other now). That tells me there’s more than just age that affects the schematics of the complex relationship of JaeSu. Besides personality variables that lend themselves into these relationships, I’m highly suspicious there’s an extra, additional factor to all of this in the grand scheme of everything including the one I have listed. It doesn’t make at all sense why Junsu would consult JJ over an extra dance step only to comply with it quietly later >->! I thought resident “dancer” & alleged “leader” would have a say in that but evidently JJ was the one to make the decision. That rings all alarms in my cerebrum tbh. Normally that is up to the leader’s decision and it’s a weird anomaly since JJ wasn’t marketed as leader. Hmmm…. My mind as you can see has been stuck on it since our last conversations. I’m quite annoyed with myself I didn’t notice it before. I‘m dying to ask JJ what really occurred backstage because I’m sure this isn’t schizophrenia talking to me. Closet leader indeed. I have several theories that he was either leader from the start or that it just gradually shifted in that inevitable direction even though SM never chose to acknowledge it publicly. Another one would be considering how thing unfolded in Japan, essentially JJ became there leader there not that anyone is admitting to anything. Another example is that I’ve noticed whenever they did their TohoDancerFighto chant, JJ would usually be the one to send some words of encouragement. This became even more evident in their talks onstage at their concerts in some verbally unperceivable way. If it is true, JJ doesn’t feel the need to bring it up. Oh, SM, you’re not fooling anyone.”
I’ve seen it too ..
I remember in couple talk session2, when Yunho complained about JJ’s habit sending of texts / phone to a member when they’re outside even when they vacation, JJ replied “You should know how hard it is for me to manage the members from far ..”
and you’re rite .. there’re so many evident ..
@Kania
” JJ replied “You should know how hard it is for me to manage the members from far ..””
Wow. “Manage the members” ?? Really?
hi Lilibaiyu ,
oops, seems i have referred the wrong vid, I’ll try to find it .. there’re so many ..
you know? in psichology there’s a theory that someone who can be a leader commonly most of them are A blood type. A blood type is more reserved, focus and usually think first before speak. that’s why in Kpop where leader kind of an important position, company not only choose the oldest, but also the A type.
and tbh, JJ how butterfly social and lovable he is, sometimes he can’t keep his mouth. that’s why fans oftenly call him time bomb mouth LOL. coz u just don’t know when the secret actually come from that pouty lips.
that. IMO are also the reason why SM told him to “just sing”, “don’t talk” in the few years of his debut.
and how much i love him, how cute he is, how lovable he is, if he’s my employee, i won’t put him in leader position XP
but seems experience teach him many things. he’s more reserved now, eventhough still sproud out funny things that make su and chun panic and try hard to cover LOL.
and IMO, junsu is suprisedly a very good spoke person (judging from his interview where he even touch a sensitive topic and his past in SM without antis jumping on his throat) and junsu is A type, so that’s explain everything.
sorry for the long reply XDD
@Claudelle,
I’ve never really seen that sort of relationship between Jaesu the way you do, and I love your analysis on this. And this is funny because I am a big fan of Jaesu. My conclusion is that, yes he is a social butterfly, but I think he holds a character that truly cherishes the people he cares for and that is why all of his members hold him dear. If i were to console with someone it would be Jaejoong.
One of the most obvious changes of ‘leadership’ was during Tohoshinki’s promotion in Japan. Slowly but surely, Avex have been promoting Jaejoong as the front and center for the band, leading or starting the conversations during events or tv broadcasts. YH can joke about him being a leader and not having any influence or significance in the group because it really shows. And since Avex is handling Tohoshinki’s activities, they were smart in who and how to promote. SM on the other hand, loves the attention-hogging leaders. Take YH and the new EXO obvious-leader, Kai. They are always front and center, telling the world how hot and amazing they are and how their little minions are doing what they say.
The thing that I cannot understand with kpop bands is that one of the members have to be a leader, and usually it’s always the oldest. Being the oldest does not mean you have the qualities of leading. Like 2NE1 for example, whose second youngest member is their leader. Usually it all comes down to teamwork and when someone is significantly put on the spotlight as the leader of the pack, then all of the attention would go to him/her. Oh SM, you are notorious for doing this. It’s usually always the YH and Yoochun that you use as your promotion tool. Jaejoong, being the king of varieties, don’t get enough screen time. If he was the person who is also in the spotlight, you would be racking in some big bucks. Although now that I think of it, thank goodness Jae isn’t big on varieties back in the day. He would be tired to death and won’t be getting the money he deserves. It also makes him more special.
You know I remember an a show my friend sent me the other day —> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-1uLsOcWFI&feature=related start the video @3:25 It’s an episode of Xman featuring Junsu, Yunho, and Yoochun. In this section of the video Junsu is going against Yunho in the game “of course”. I’ll let you all see the rest. Just want to note that Yunho seemed a bit hurt by what Junsu’s (Yoochun too) comment about him being leader.
@lilibaiyu
Who else gets judged and found wanting on what they will one day become at that age?
All of Korea does. Actually I think the university exams are at 17, aren’t they? One of Korea’s biggest handicaps is their system of deciding a person’s future based on one exam. It doesn’t account for innovation (which is discouraged) or “late bloomers” (who are ignored) or a bunch of other things that I read last week in an interesting article in The Economist (discussing what Korea needs to do to remain competitive.).
The way Jaejoong is discounted because he doesn’t fit into the very rigid Korean model of intelligence or achievement is…to his advantage in a way. They’ll never see him coming.
@Eliza
“Who else gets judged and found wanting on what they will one day become at that age? All of Korea does. Actually I think the university exams are at 17, aren’t they? One of Korea’s biggest handicaps is their system of deciding a person’s future based on one exam.”
Yes, I’ve heard this many places, I know that you are right. In the most practical terms however placing a whole-future label of unacceptability on someone at 17 years old seems misguided to me and allows many many late bloomers, who often turn out to be geniuses who were merely bored by early years’ education, to slip through the cracks. And I LOVE your last line: “The way Jaejoong is discounted because he doesn’t fit into the very rigid Korean model of intelligence or achievement is…to his advantage in a way. They’ll never see him coming.”
🙂
@Double JaeDee Ah! Thank you for so thoughtfully replying. Yes, there was a bit about JaeSu (because of the video that I was making observations from; it’s only my theories and inferences that I have made but it’s interesting to ponder nevertheless) but that just relative to what I was discussing with Nikki about JJ’s progression into the role as we seem him now ^////^ “One of the most obvious changes of ‘leadership’ was during Tohoshinki’s promotion in Japan. Slowly but surely, Avex have been promoting Jaejoong as the front and center for the band, leading or starting the conversations during events or tv broadcasts. YH can joke about him being a leader and not having any influence or significance in the group because it really shows. And since Avex is handling Tohoshinki’s activities, they were smart in who and how to promote.”Ah, so we are not alone in noticing this. To be honest, I when I was observing TH5K’s activities in Japan, I noticed it was Jaejoong who mostly carried the entire act in some indescribable way… Imagine to my surprise when I was told YH was ‘leader’ when I was just first getting myself acquainted to TVXQ5. I thought it was odd, but I didn’t question it until much later. I figure that most of us knew deep down the truth of it all… There is a very little to your post that I could add since I couldn’t have summed it up better…
Also remember that Kim Jaejoong is already CEO of Bum’s Story
I believe that you can not compare the Jaejoong of now to the Jaejoong who debuted as a member of DB5K, Jae has proven that he got now all the strenghts that are required to be a leader.
@Yane1210
Of course you are right, I completely agree. How on earth can anyone determine a young man’s future when he’s 19 years old? What I remember is that Jae was technically the oldest member of DBSK, that’s why the leader role seemed as if it should go to him. However at that time, Yunho seemed better suited for that job.
Agree!
i agree..he’s so young back then..i think one of the reason he didn’t become the leader is because he speak whatever come across his mind, very honest and candid…he’s now so mature in terms of thinking…young or current jaejoong..i always respect him…the stories before he debut touches my heart…he’ll forever be my role model…
Although in the past jaejoong has given off the impression of not a leader these past couple years after breaking away from sm he has displayed his ability as a leader. As some have stated he is the main writer(and as a result image maker) of the group. He has taken on the role of directing their shows and in private has become a co owner of a resturant that fans have seen and reported that he is hands on. Though i think jaejoong is too nice to be a ceo of music company… but if he were to ever decide to become one, his company would reflect yg the most.
this .
he can definitly do anything he wants as multitalented young men.
Yes, Jae was way too maive and uncareful of his words back then (he was 17/18 when he debuted), but he has gained common sense and it’s easy for him to interact with his fans and other people now. Also he has the power to impress take good care of the people around him. And his creative mind and good taste are also important.
This is to answer @lilibayu
He might not possess the quality of being a leader then but now he completely overturns the table. and in my opinion, the latter years of Db5k he became the “shadow leader”.
JJ, the way he present himself nowadays will end up being the real Cha Muwon in PTB, the ideal CEO/Leader. Not the screwed, greedy, ruthless CEOs you knew today.
Peace 🙂
@vhonz
Agree. I think maybe the main reason he became the “shadow” leader back then was that no one could keep their eyes off of him when he was in the room. lol And by now, I think we can all agree that he has learned the “people skills” to meet, impress and win over anyone, anywhere. He is one of the most charismatic people in the world right now. So, yes – in terms of his future he can pretty much write his own ticket. And what a truly AMAZING head of an entertainment company he could be.
I agree with you vhonz. Jae was somewhat unlikeable during his early years in DBSK. It might have something to do with image packaging or he was just so carefree but I have seen some remarkable transformation especially in their Tohoshinki years and as what you say a “complete overturn” when they decided to step out from SM. Going out from the biggest entertainment company in their country thru a lawsuit was one of the TOUGHEST and crucial decision a person of his stature can make, but he (together with Chun Su) made it and they manage to survive. How Jae/JYJ manage to stay relevant and successful till now is a showcase of being a CEO material.
Unlikable? Jae?
Hehe~ I wouldn’t use that word on him ever! XD
@shadow: ikr?? lol Maybe we shud be glad we met JJ in the later yrs, free from the taint of SM’s packaging?
@kris: “How Jae/JYJ manage to stay relevant and successful till now is a showcase of being a CEO material.”
Yup. Pretty much.
agreed 🙂
“JYJ‘s Kim Jaejoong, like always” LOL
“With Jaejoong winning any and every poll” now the got used to it XDXD
“an essence that is best reflected in his rejection of the opportunity to be Dong Bang Shin Ki‘s leader” what does it means? O.o
@Hilya
From my perspective it looks like snippiness.
If he ever becomes the CEO of his own entertainment company,
BEHOLD, HERE I COME KOREAAA!!
Jae has shown skill of leadership tremendously when they perform JYJ. His roll as Concert Director has proven that he has that ability to lead, direct and manage people. I wish him the best for future CEO.
With regards to Jae not being the leader back then:
1) His looks/concepts
He was told to act cool, don’t speak and just look cold by sm. That is the concept that was given to him back then. So for a leader, he can’t be doing that. That’s why probably he wasn’t chosen as the leader.
2) He’s too honest and straightforward
He speaks his mind. Even the members have said Jae just say why he wants without holding back. SM fear he may just say things that are not allowed to be said.
3) Despite not being the ‘actual’ leader, Jae takes on the role with YH, behind the scenes. That’s what YH had said. That he and Jae discussed and made decisions together for the group.
4) A leader doesn’t have to be vocal. He can lead by example and use different approaches.
@Shadow
#1, that’s what I’m referring to as “unlikeable” (for others), his looks and concepts back then, but maybe it’s not the right term , hehe, …but nevertheless, he caught my eyes and ears way back then!
Well, honestly I think he failed big time there coz right from the start I find him cute and shy. XD
And the more I know about him, the more I fall in love with him.
His background, how he survive in Seoul searching for his dreams, how he took care of his dongsaengs with all that he had, how he works extremely hard to fulfil his dreams and many many more~~~
^____^
ditto 🙂
@shadow
You said whats in my mind…
I couldn´t be more agree with what you said ! 🙂
agree with u @shadow…. i think most of the decision made by joongie when he is in dbsk….
Congrat JJ….
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Congratulations Jaejoong.
I do have a lot to say about this, but I’m just going to let the future talk for itself.
Jaejoong fighting! ^^~
I watch JYJ 3Voices which contain Jaejoong work as Stage Director. His mood totally different than him become an artist. He has this professional aura of become someone to become leader even thought previously he resist to become a leader.
“Jaejoong will one day create his
own idol groups and eventually head
his own company” ,, obviously, amen to that 😀
Ah SB polls and the OPs leave me with a bad taste in my mouth now. I knew they always disliked Yoochun the most from DBSK but their general targeting of him after the scandal and using him as an example for idols not going into the drama industry….and general attitude that JYJ and Homin absolutely suck now because they are not DBSK irks me. They seem really high and mighty to me and I don’t like that. I miss the old Seoulbeats.
Ah in regards to the poll…….in the future I still don’t want JJ to be a CEO. The business in Korea is so cutthroat that he can’t afford to be nice. If he was a CEO in an industry like Japan that would be a different story. But if he becomes a CEO of an actual ‘singing’ company and not an idol training/brainwashing machine company then I fully support him.
JYJ have been making many changes in the industry whether anyone admits it or not. If JYJ become CEO’s then I would want them to choose talent over training like the American system.
But, generally I like JYJ better having an agency WORK FOR THEM, and they also work alongside other artists/actors. CEO would just be a random extra title with a lot of stress involved.
It is only in Korea that these kinds of things are considered….why do idols HAVE to have multiple roles? Can they just not be singers…..and if the want expand into other fields that is their choice I guess. Most of the popular singers in America, only have a career in singing.
@Echo
Yes, there have been more than a few negative remarks and catty digs emanating from Seoulbeats; I’ve noticed too. There is an underlying prejudice there that no one separately is going to be as good as DBSK was. I however disagree. NO artists, I don’t care who they are, can truly be said to be “better” in bondage, miserable, over-worked to the point beyond exhaustion and under-compensated while making millions for their owners — than their liberated and therefore exhilarated brothers. Each adult man in DBSK had a choice to make, each man made their choice freely. Since I happen to believe that JYJ made the RIGHT choice, I will back them solidly until the end of all things, as will many many of my sisters and brothers here on JYJ3 and of course, elsewhere.
Personally? I think it’s really REALLY time to stop bemoaning the demise of DBSK. Glad or not, like it or not, that group of five is gone and they are not coming back any time soon. You can thank SM Entertainment for that. If SM had really been responsible to the largest fandom in Asia and, needless to say,THE WORLD, they would have negotiated with the 3 members now forming JYJ for a higher rate of royalties. When this whole thing started, that’s all they wanted. Oh, and Chunnie needed a LOAN. At interest. Lee Soo Man said NO, stonewalled 100% of their demands and the rest is history. If only the preponderance of OT5 fans could grasp this one simple fact, I think many problems would be solved overnight. But they can’t, they won’t, they are apparently incapable of digesting new information that is not part of the fan club approved phrases they parrot back and forth to each other so slavishly.
No! It’s better like this if those two want to join JYJ then they have to leave.I prefer JYJ outside that greedy company
Btw please vote for Kim Jae Joong he is in 2nd place now
http://www.the-top-tens.com/lists/most-famous-people.asp
@meidhyna
…..yeah that is what lilibaiyu said. Did you read her comment?
This poll. Is it based in Asia? Because if you mean most famous people the world over then a JYJ member may not qualify yet. 2nd. As much as I dislike the new generation of db’s hanging out at SeoulBeats the author does make a point. Voting JYJ in every single poll fans can find may turn out to be a disservice. Already they make jokes. Eventually they will dismiss any poll in which JYJ is the winner. Polls on the internet that reach a target audience over the general populace are already unreliable and biased but it is even worse when you go to a site (ex. JYJ3) and every other comment is “pls vote in such and such. JYJ is in whatever place.”
I’ll be very honest. These polls are ridiculous in their very nature and ALL fandoms get the fans to vote like crazy for their favorites. If their favorites don’t win they whine like crazy about how unfair and blind people are for not agreeing that such and such person or group should have won. Also I recognize that the digs against JYJ fans are unfair since as I said earlier pretty much all fandoms do this too. Let us not give fodder to the mill. By all means vote if you think it actually matters but don’t go overboard.
this is my opinion
‘It is only in Korea that these kinds of things are considered….why do idols HAVE to have multiple roles? Can they just not be singers…..and if the want expand into other fields that is their choice I guess. Most of the popular singers in America, only have a career in singing’
actually it’s not only in Korea, because in my country (Indonesia) there are some of the singer or celeb have their other job at business world,there are many reason for these
even though there are some people who dedicated her/himself as a real musician but for the others the entertainment world is something that can unpredictable and they felt insecure because of that since now there are so many young artist who start show up, so they choose to try other roles and when they think it’s the time for them to retired from entertainment world, they are can have another income from their business,
the other reason is maybe because they are someone who really have so many interest in many field and to try many things and in many field, with this they can get many experience in their life and learn many things from other field/ life…….it can be a way for help to fill their inner satisfaction
at least this is the reason that i can though right now
@miaw (one of my very favorite people here)
“the other reason is maybe because they are someone who really have so many interest in many field and to try many things and in many field, with this they can get many experience in their life and learn many things from other field/ life…….it can be a way for help to fill their inner satisfaction”
Three words kids: Bae Yong Joon. This man started out as an actor and fairly quickly transitioned into a mogul of a multi-million dollar empire. Will he act again? Who knows? He certainly doesn’t need to. He was so overwhelmingly popular in Japan that they turned him into an icon and made it possible for him to never need to work again, ever. Frankly, I see this happening to Jaejoong. Of course, not for a few more years but he is now seriously entering acting in a BIG way. From all reports, he LOVES acting. (as does Chunnie.) If roles come his way that he finds interesting, then I would imagine he will stay engrossed in the process for a good long while. If he will learn English convincingly, there is every chance of him moving on into the mainstream of American films ala Rain. But again, I would caution: as HUGE as Rain is in Asia, he was merely an interesting and exotic oddity for American audiences. I hope Jaejoong takes note of this.
@lilibaiyu
‘one of my very favorite people here’—————–> hahahaha…….i feel happy and honored to be your favorite person in her thank u (bow)
‘……I see this happening to Jaejoong. Of course, not for a few more years but he is now seriously entering acting in a BIG way’
i also felt it too, he was someone who gonna take all of his effort to every field that he try to expand ( his brothers also same like him)
i think Jae really like a baby who always wanna try many new things around him and explore it till he feel satisfied and when he started to do something that makes he feel interested, then no one can disturb or stop him till he finally stop it by his own self .
‘ he will learn English convincingly, there is every chance of him moving on into the mainstream of American films ala Rain’
honestly i always imagine that really happen in the future. but i also understand what u meant about ‘he was merely an interesting and exotic oddity for American audiences’ part. For Jae himself, i think it’s gonna be more odd for Americans audiences especially by his appearance which have a great balance between a feminine and masculine side which i think it’s really rare (please correct me if i get wrong in this part). there are still a long way for him to get another recognize by people from America and around the world but if he get that chance i’m sure he gonna grab it immediately after he consider it carefully and give his best effort that he can
@Miaw
Well, I bow back to you, my friend — so accomplished for one so young. You impress me.
I happen to agree with you about Jaejoong being a perfectly balanced combination of his masculine and feminine sides. it’s actually one of the things I love most about him. We all have both sides within us, it’s just that some are severely out of balance. In some, one or the other is suppressed altogether and held in the dark, the unconscious. This I feel is the cause of many problems for the person. So too a society that only honors one sex and suppresses and marginalizes the other.
But in Jaejoong we glimpse a highly evolved man, a man comfortable expressing his integrated self.
@miaw and lilibaiyu
If I may comment. I think the single most powerful reason for why many of these kids have to be a bit of everything; dj, host, singer, actor, model etc is the very economics of where they live. American artists get to make a career of one thing only because the U.S. is still the biggest economic market in the world. Beyonce doesn’t release consecutive albums; she does them every once in a few years. They sell well and get hype because she has (as an American artist working for the right company) more reach in the global market. Artists in S.Korea or Malaysia can’t say the same.
I don’t count talent in this because well…people seem to have very different ideas about who has talent and who doesn’t. Why do you suppose Korean entertainment companies are drooling like dogs and sending all their artists to Japan? Because until very recently Japan was the second largest economy, recently overtaken by China BUT China’s market is still highly unregulated and young. Also bootlegging is a very common practice in China so you can imagine the loss these companies would suffer. In Japan that is not a problem and they still have one of the most powerful music industries in the world.
It makes sense economically and I’m very sorry to say that artistically things evolve only if economic opportunity is present. For example. (I like Leessang) but…turned off the tv is overhyped. Why? Because the lyrics (and the video) are about a man speaking frankly of his sexual desire for his girlfriend and then he teases her at the end by claiming that he is no longer in the mood. Nice but hardly the most creative or frank thing I’ve ever heard yet it seems to have been an “indie” success story over in Korea. The culture, the opportunity etc. is different. In the U.S. the most that song could have achieved is radio play in indie radio stations from some colleges. It would not have been competing with the top dogs here. Also, Korean youth seems to be a lot like American youth in the sense that every popular modern artist is “trash” and only underground, oldies or indie music is “real” and “relevant” blah, blah, blah. Same story the world over. Much of the youth have become musical snobs. So there is my two cents. Would love to hear your opinions.
@Mia2
Hello, my dear Mia! How I have missed your always wonderful and thought-provoking posts. My perspective on the plight of artists and bands in the U.S. is a bit different from yours – maybe you’ve heard about the social revolution here between “the 1% and the 99%.” At the moment, the 1% richest Americans are on the hot seat as the middle class here continues to erode and sink into being poor. They are being asked if they wouldn’t like to start paying their fair share of income taxes since the middle class, who have traditionally been shouldering the lion’s share of that burden, is disappearing noticeably and the 1% are answering with a resounding “NO!”
Well, there’s a 1% and 99% factor going on with artists in the music business here too. For every one Beyonce there are probably 10,000 working musicians and singers who are definitely not getting by. You really can’t use Beyonce as any sort of an indication of what a career in music is actually going to be like. She is like the ornament on the hood of a Rolls Royce. lol Even bands that have record deals are struggling now that record companies are running scared about losing profits to downloading and they have scaled back their contracts with new artists so there is virtually no way they can actually make money unless they start consistently having hit records. Traditionally, musicians have day jobs or they marry a woman with a good career who can support them in their quest for fame. So the top 1% of artists–yes, they live fabulously. The other 99%…..
This post on FB is fairly illustrative of what happens to the older musician in the U.S.
Hey Lilibaiyu! Sorry for the late reply. I have a new job….it is not really that great and we have zero access to a computer T_____T
Reading your reply made me think some more. Yeah Beyonce is definitely not the average singer. Bad example. Sorry!!!!
I guess then that until music companies figure out what to do with the benefit and simultaneous curse that is the internet many more artists will have to keep struggling by. It is sad and this will likely be the future crux of companies like SME. They clear a good share of the market for their artists to get exposure but the price is definitely high….
@Mia2
“Sorry for the late reply. I have a new job….it is not really that great and we have zero access to a computer T_____T”
Well, I’m just so glad you’re back. 🙂 I’ve missed you. I just had some sad news yesterday. My dear friend, the great guitarist Ronnie Montrose has died. He was a major talent and because he was so good and so smart, he was able to have a great whole life career doing what he did best. When he wasn’t touring with various bands he was doing sountrack work for films and video games.
But it is really really tough for the average musician or singer here, especially as the fire to perform and make it they all had in their twenties gradually dies.
JJ is always the BEST out of the best
Jae is always my role model…i voted for him ^_^ so happy
My Jaejoong is surely the best in anything. I am so happy for you my love… ^__^
love all of comment in this post.i can’t say anything again.
IOL, cant read all this O,o
Wait? Isn’t he already a CEO of some luxurious pub or sth like that? I always envy those who are so outgoing and has leadership skills naturally as a business major student. (sorry, envying is not a good thing.) T T. And he’s sooooo like-able.
Jae is always my role model…i voted for him ^_^ so happy
i love you jaejoong kim …….. 🙂
I will be very happy work under Jaejoong…>.<
YE,,YE.,,I’VE NOTICED THAT TOO ,, DURING THEIR TOKYO DOME CONCERT AND THEIR KOREAN CONCERT , JJ WAS THE WHO DO MOST OF THE TALKING , EVEN IN THEIR OTHER ACTIVITIES AS WELL.
I agree! Tbh, I’ve been thinking a lot about this lately… for JYJ to open their own company and Jaejoong to become CEO. He’s well-rounded and talented, and he has very good social skills. Maybe someday in the future, the three of them just might make a “JYJ Entertainment” corporation or something lol~ anything is possible. JYJ fighting!!
Wow, I can totally see it man! If one day Jae ever decides to step out of the limelight it’d be perfect for him to open his own company!` Muwon CEO all over again!
what can i say more he was once the director of jyj tour n the korean gymnast show…..is there any idol can do that….even junsu give up being a director…..