Prior to our ‘Ode to Joy’ soon, I’m pleased to post SM’s history of Losing as SM is due to add another case on its losing history. You’ll realise how pathetic this company is as this slave contract issue has been continued for more than 10 years, but the company still insists that its contract has no problems.
It’s a blessing that our JYJ members don’t belong to such company, and they will not ever be there again. XD
<July 28, 2002>
Fair Trade Commission Korea ordered 8 companies including SM to correct their unfair actions and imposed penalty surcharge(900Milion KRW)
– 8 companies including SM had founded the company called ‘I-KPOP’ together and sold their albums only through this company [illegal sole distribution] so that occupied 53.9% of total album market.
– Especially FTCK exposed that SM made unfair contracts with the members of H.O.T, Fly To The Sky and other artists. The contracts contained the clauses saying ‘an artist must pay 3-5 times as much amount as the estimated profits plus 50 milion-100 million KRW when he/she cancels the contract’.
(Can you see such similarity to the contract that JYJ is fighting against? SM has been doing this for more than decades.)
Funny thing is, SM filed a lawsuit for nullity against the above decision of FTCK.
Shall we see what the High Court decided?
<April 05, 2004>
Seoul High Court ruled against SM, saying “The corrective order that FTCK ordered against SM’s contracts which force its artists to pay excessive penalty was a RIGHT ORDER”.
– Quoted from High Court’s decision:
“An investor must take his/her risk of investment him/herself and SM abused its position by making excessive compensation for damages in order to re-collect the invested money used for one singer from another successful singer.”
<September 03, 2004>
Seoul Central District Court sentenced Soo Man Lee to 2 years in prison with 3 years of probation on charge of embezzling 1.15 billion of company funds.
– He was pardoned in 2007 by the government for 4th anniversary of the president.
<October 16, 2006>
SM’s model Min Ho You won a lawsuit to clarify invalidity of exclusive contract against SM Ent.
(See there was the exactly the same lawsuit 6 years ago and SM lost the case?)
– Quoted from the Seoul Central District Court’s ruling
“The clauses regarding compensation for damages and the terms of the contract infringe the plaintiff(Min Ho You)’s economic freedom too much, therefore, the contract is invalid by the article 103 in the Civil Law** which defines ‘an action violates public morals and orders is invalid’.”
“Terms and compensation for damages are essential parts of an exclusive contract, so whole of this contract should be invalid because those key parts are invalid.”
“The defendant(SM)’s insists cannot be justified because an investor[SM] must take a risk of investment, also high profits are expected when high-risk business is successful even if it takes a lot of money and time for training.”
“The amount of compensation for damages is too excessive as well as it gives too much financial burden to the plaintiff whereas there is no compensation for damages if the defendant violates the contract, therefore this contract has immoderate imbalance between the rights and duties of the both parties.”
<September 13, 2007>
Fair Trade Commission ordered SM to correct its slave contract
(poor FTCK.. I can’t even count how many times FTCK ordered the same things now..)
– SM actor Ji Hoon Kim notified SM about cancellation of unfair exclusive contract on Dec 2004 and the both were having disputes for a long time (almost 3years) at the court.
– His contract stated that 1) the terms of contract was 5 years from the date of his first appearance as a feature player and first album releasing date, and 2) he must pay 5 times as much amount as the total invested money plus the total estimated profits for the remaining period of the contract plus additional 100 million KRW.
– FTCK intervened in this case and ordered SM to correct its contract regarding unfair amount of compensation for damages and long terms.
<October 27, 2009>
Seoul Central District Court approved the 3 members of TVXQ’s application for injunction to terminate exclusive contract.
– Quoted from the ruling from the court
“The above-stated exclusive contract which mainly contains long terms and excessive amount of compensation for damages infringe economic freedom and basic human rights too much because the management company exercised unfair domination and imposed inordinate benefits in return and unfair responsibilities on its artists by abusing its prominent position.”
“This is an action that violates public morals and orders, therefore, there is a possibility that the validity of the all/parts of the clauses on the contract are invalid or subject to lapse as the reasonable period of existence has been expired.”
“The respondent[SM] MUST NOT 1) make or negotiate any contracts against the applicants[Jaejoong/Yuchun/Junsu]’ wills related to their entertainment activities such as appearances in broadcasting/movies, concerts, production of albums and other entertainment events with any third parties, 2) raise an objection to broadcasting companies, album labels, production agencies and other third parties regarding the applicants’ entertainment activities that the respondent is not involved and 3) interfere their entertainment activities by requesting any third parties to break relationships and other way until the decision for ruling of the lawsuit on the merits is finalised.”
– Legal expert Chan-Jong Park commented on this slave contract as:
“SM took an enormous profit by abusing the members’ weak position as minors/trainees and making unfair contract. The company bound the members of TVXQ by maximum 13 years of contract which can be considered ‘lifetime employment’ when they were minors(under 19 years old), did not show the original written contracts to them and share the profits unfairly (ex: the members only could receive 10 million KRW for the next album if a previous album was sold more than 500,000 copies).”
SM filed an objection against this decision and another injunction to terminate the validity of the exclusive contract between C-JeS and JYJ. You’ll see how the court reacted on these arrogant actions below.
<December 23, 2010>
Fair Trade Commission ordered SM to correct its unfair contracts made with its artists and trainees.
– Fans in Korea filed the petition with FTCK regarding SM’s unfair contract on Sep 09, 2009 after JYJ’s injunction.
– FTCK started investigation on SM (again!).
– SM ‘voluntarily’ corrected the conditions of contract with its artists after the investigation started, but also extended its contract with the trainees for additional 3 years in secret and FTCK warned such actions and ordered SM to correct this 3-year of extended contracts with its trainees as well.
– Ironically, the fans’ action against the slave contract made SM artists (that we hate as much as SM itself) had better contracts.
<February 17, 2011>
Seoul Central District Court ‘rejected’ the objection against the approval of the above injunction.
– Quoted from the court’s refusal letter against SM’s objection
“The court hereby confirms the injunction approved on Oct 27, 2009, to terminate the validity of exclusive contract between the two parties.” (=the injunction approval in 2009 has no problem and still valid)
“The debtor(SM) pays all expenses for objection.”
<February 17, 2011>
Seoul Central District Court also rejected SM’s injunction to terminate the validity of the exclusive contract between C-JeS and JYJ.
– Quoted from the court’s refusal letter against SM’s injunction
“C-JeS Entertainment and the respondents(JYJ) only made a contact for agency business in order to manage their entertainment activities on behalf of them, therefore the applicant (SM)’s insist that they made an exclusive contract which has subordinative clauses is cannot be acknowledged.”
<February 24, 2011>
Seoul Central District Court ordered indirect order to SM to pay 20 million of penalty per each interference on JYJ’s activities
– Quoted from the orders from Seoul Central District Court
“Even after the court approved the injunction to terminate the exclusive contract on Oct 27, 2009, SM Entertainment held a press conference to force the members to follow the contract on Nov 02, 2009 and sent the contents-certified mail to Warner Music Korea to ask Warner Music not to produce/distribute JYJ’s World Wide Album. Those actions are acknowledged as interference in JYJ’s entertainment activities, therefore, the court hereby orders indirect order.”
Well what’s next?
I’m sure that another case will be added to this history of losing, in the very near future. XD
Translator’s note: Definition of Article 103 in the Civil Law**: ‘an action that violates public policies and morals is invalid’. It defines an action that violates public policies and moral as: 1) an action against justice (Ex: a contract inciting a crime with rewards), 2) an action against humanity (ex: prostitution), 3) an action extremely restricts personal liberty (ex: a contract restricts person’s psychological/physical/financial freedom too much, human traffic), 4) an action that one side forces unfairness on the other side by abusing prominent position (ex: excessive penalty for breach of contract) and etc.
(The court also used this article on the approval of the injunction applied by JYJ. )
In Korea, if something is considered as an action that the Article 103/104 in the Civil Law defines as violation of public policies and morals, it is considered as ‘absolute invalidity’ and no third party can insist on its validity any more. When the court brings up this article as the referred provision to judge the injunction of JYJ, it means that the contract between SME and the JYJ is invalid ‘unconditionally’ because it is considered an action that the Article 103 of the Civil Law defines.
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jyj fighting saranghee
amin. inshaALLAH JYJ will win,=. let’s all pray together for our boys
didn’t they also lost another lawsuit September 27, 2011? http://bit.ly/PZstTc
Oh yeah, right…
Thank you for refreshing my memory on all the judgments that have been handed down and against that particular company. With this succinct rundown of losses, I can’t imagine the court changing directions and do anything but find in JYJ’s favor. JYJ fighting!
Thank you for this excellent summary. I have bookmarked it for future reference.
how do you bookmark it lol
On my Google Chrome browser there a star at the right-hand top of the page in the browser window. I just hit that star and it’s saved.
thank u i was using internet explorer so i couldn’t find it
On Internet Explorer it’s near the top on the left side of the page. You’ll see a Favorites tab and next to it a tab with a star with an arrow over it. You can hit that star with the arrow and then it’s saved in Favorites or you can just click on the main Favorites tab and then click on the first icon “Add To Favorites.”
i downloaded google chrome. thank you for your help
OMG! fighting JYJ
May God battle for the weak.
Those who get better bargaining power, yet passive in controversial issue, please beware now.
Whatever the verdict, JYJ has made this listed co. and its commercial stock holders angry, however, this will not undermine its stock price, (Well, this stock only offer return slightly stable & better than bank deposit, just not sure why so attractive to fund managers, especially govt retirement funds / bank deposit funds).
People enjoy profit return w/o laboring themselves, tend to neglect how the profit come in, just like drinking a coffee not from fair trade in Africa, using electricity derived from polluting others’ home areas .
When profit meets conscience , usually the former one wins pure investors’ hearts.
Move on JYJ, the entertainment industry has changed a lot, wish all of you keep pace of changing, earn more & re-invest wisely before going to serve at boot camp. Enjoy life as you desired thereafter.
rapidly changed, we hope JYJ can well adapt and keep pace with the big changes, better ahead of it.
With “stockholders” you mean all the SM artists that became such ^^
I don’t believe she is referring to SM artists. The term ‘commercial stockholders’ refers to those who are on the outside of the company and purchase the company stock. I own Disney stock, I am a commercial stockholder. I do not work for Disney at all.
That was sarcastic ^^ sorry, I should have mentioned it ^^
Ok, my bad, I missed that. 😉 Sorry.
You’re right. Those fund managers for retirement funds, eg Truston asset mgt
who has increase shares recently.
However, SM artists increased their shares portion through 3rd party ,
( May, 2012) somehow is the worst move ever. Business is business ,
they should have turn themselves as creditors, NOT the shareholders anymore.
Pls wake up SM idols. Your new CEO already said , as long as the capital
not raised through debts is safe and favorable for SM, debts incur higher interest,
shorter term of repayment, collateral loan , and demands SM discloses more financial info,
Similar to Disneyland, it raised 50% debt capital from HK govt 7 years ago ,
HK govt has NO SAY NO VOTE in the disneyland management , later many problems
occurs, debt capitals keep on rising, HK govt turn as shareholders, and NOW not even
a penny has been earned. However Disneyland earns all the management fee annually !
Pardon us, this listed co. treat idols dumb, produce dumb new release, ( eg. the 12 guys
6th albums, 9 girls songs etc), goosh, their fans deserve better! No matter what they release
the fans just order & buy. They find ATM machines everywhere, in 6 months time, 12 guys held
concerts 4 times in Taiwan ! EASY $ ha..ha..ha ! Asia!
One day, when fans wake up, we want to get pop corn and watch.
Ha…ha…Very well, why should we poke them from wishful thinking? 😛
FYI, JYJ ALL hardest filmed dramas, movies , musical , concerts were all VANISHED to OVERSEAS MARKETS at KOREA TOURISM BOARD
For Xia Junsu, poor you! as talented as you are , has to earn a living so remote from home.
East / west coast USA, South America, Peru, Chile , Canada, Europe …..
While variety shows alike singers/ actors with hrhhh music, their coins bags almost split up just 2-3 hours plane travels.
@JYJ global listener
Playing footloose and fancy free with the stocks is something done all over the world. If the Disney situation in HK happened as you say, then the powers that be got some bad advice. They should have done their homework. Investing is a risk, but one can minimalize it with a bit of caution and don’t rush to make a decision.
My guess with the SM artist shareholder situation, there is probably the same amount of attention paid to this as signing those contracts. They trust SM too much. So whatever happens with their holdings is on them. I’m willing to bet though, there is probably a ‘no sell’ clause. They are going to be stuck with that stock no matter what happens. Besides, I seriously doubt with the exception of BoA, none of them have enough stock to make it worth their while.
As for the tourism drama thing. Ok, it does appear as if they purposely did not include JYJ dramas. But this is not the end of the world. I have in my possession a couple of items from their tourism board. One is their official book for 2011. Guess who’s photo appears in a tourism add as soon as you open the book? Yup, JYJ. Didn’t expect that all. I don’t recall CJeS even mentioning the guys were going to be included as tourism spokesman. I may have missed it, hope someone else heard about it. Then there’s another one this year that does show a SKKS photo promo as part of the TV drama info. Actually, it doesn’t get lost in a display like the one in the link you provided. It’s featured rather prominently. These are materials that are distributed by the various KTO locations around the world. So, don’t read too much in the non-inclusion.
Besides, the proof is in the pudding. Look at how much they are garnering for distribution rights. SSKS winning a foreign drama prize at that NYC International film/tv fest. Lotte World grabing exclusive distribution for Jae’s movie. Let’s look at the bigger picture here and acknowledge that despite the snides, there really is no stopping this juggernaut. I don’t keep up with the promos for the works of the other idols. So I don’t have any idea how they are fairing when it comes to international distribution. But as long as the members of JYJ are getting their just due, that’s all that matters to me.
I belong to a krama group nearby where I live, and all the dramas for the guys are mentioned and talked about on the forum board. There are members from all over the country. Right now our Drama of the Month club is covering RTP. PTB, and Dr. Jin were mentioned as possibles as well. So don’t think their works are not getting any attention. Yes they are. 😉
All SM artists own less than 7.9% of total stocks. ( among 30 + artistist perhaps ).
Guess this offers stable low return on their capital only.
But for some male idols, who need to serve 2 yrs in boot camp, or female idols who have little interest in asset management or running own business, perhaps this kind of ” investment ” is ” better” than bank deposit.
JYJ ‘s challenges not limited to music now, here FYI
I was just joking, because I’ve read an article awhile ago about them becoming shareholders ^^ I should have mentioned it though that I was just joking, sorry.
But anyway, I really like your posts, thank you for this one too. I honestly always learn something new from you 🙂
We all support JYJ, and we like your post too.
EunHyuk is our favorite among Suju,
same as your ideas, some of the members are not our cup of tea.
We’re happy to learn new ideas here too, sharing uplifted spirit ^^
Pls enjoy a great week ahead 🙂
@JYJ global listener
I did see that article on SB when it came out. Just didn’t go through the comment sections. Yeah, they really are receiving a HUGE amount of stock, 680 each! Well, I hope for their sakes, as little that they received, it stays stable. One person made a comment about the stocks only paying off well depending on the dividends. Well, I’ve got a news flash for them. Last time I looked SME does not pay dividends. Soooo….
As to the info about all the other sidelines SME is branching into. Yes, it is good for a company to diversify. Nothing wrong with that. I’m sure some kind of marketing studies were done. Goodness knows they need to improve on their choices. The karaoke thing cost them $4M in loses. Never heard one more peep about the cruise ship deal or the amusement park investment. I guess they couldn’t con anyone to foot the investment bill for them, so they nixed them.
Yes, they are now going into the drama producing business. We’ll see how that turns out. So, far they are not batting too well in drama participation. Although the author of the piece seems to think they are going to do quite well, because well, they’re SM.
Again, you are only as good as your material. Given the fact that SM is not big on a huge amount of real talent, just talent that they market well, doesn’t mean they will blow anyone out of the stratosphere. I’m reminded of a very important fact. If SM is relying on the future youth market to support them, there is a potentially huge problem waiting for SM. SK’s population is not large enough to sustain large numbers in their upcoming generations. Like Japan’s, their population is aging quickly. Not a whole lot of large families populating. So where is all this future support coming from?
There is no guarantee that Kpop as a genre won’t turn into a fad worldwide and fade into oblivion. Those who are able to establish themselves as artists independent of Kpop, read: JYJ, will have more going for them for sustained careers. Having a huge roster of singing acts with marginal talent is not going to last very long.
“So, far they are not batting too well in drama participation. Although the author of the piece seems to think they are going to do quite well, because well, they’re SM.”
I had to laugh out loud then I read the above. Good one, sis. It does indeed smack of the time-honored honeyed prose of the SM press office.
Appreciate so much all your opinions, you’re so liberal , optimistic & have good critical thinking abt the stock issues.
Hopefully English speaking regions got to know more about JYJ and be fair to them. Since major online & offline mass media indeed being manipulated to boost SM & other big leaders, instead of JYJ. This is especially serious during the
JYJ membership week. Which we believe cjes need to do more on the mass media part.
sment, you look so dumb right now
I was happily reading the article until this popped up “Ironically, the fans’ action against the slave contract made SM artists (that we hate as much as SM itself) had better contracts.”
I really don’t want to start a long discussion (like i accidently did last time on another article…) and i know this is the opinion of the author…but reading it still really bothered and annoyed me.
I still hate SME yes they broke up my favorite band, they put our boys through years of hell and hard labor…but i don’t hate the artist themselves…many are very nice people. You can’t hate them JUST because they are under SME! Feel sorry for them yes…but hate them? No. Don’t we like EunHyuk who is SuSu’s best friend? He’s under SME…is he a bad guy? No he stood by JunSu and remained his friend even though his company didn’t like JYJ. Just because they are SME doesn’t mean we should hate them.
Another thing i would like to point out. Ok so we SHOULDN’T be happy that what the fans did HELPED the SME artist with their contracts?! *facepalm* REALLY?! Have you not forgotten what JYJ is FIGHTING FOR?! They are fighting for fairness in their contracts! I think they were happy that they could help the some of their friends in SME that they trained with and spent time together with. If i were them i would see it as a small victory against the war towards SME.
Sorry for the rant…just sometime *sighs* i really don’t get people…
To end on a happier note after my rant. SME HAVE FUN GETTING BEATEN AGAIN 😀
I was thinking the same and am totally with you.
I love SuJu (well except two members perhaps) too and EunHyuk even mentioned JunSu in his “Thanks To” of the new 6Jib. But I knew SuJu before I learned about TVXQ, the lawsuit and the problems, so that’s another case.
But I have to admit that it’s kind of not possible for me to support other SM-artists. Yes, I know the artists themselves are surely nice and everything, but with supporting them I would support SM and, as mentioned, I can’t do that. However, I’m happy that they have better contracts now, since this was the goal of “our boys” ^^ but honestly, you can read above how many lawsuits SM had and as far as I know nothing changed.
But in the end, everyone has to choose what one think is right.
i think when that was written, we are all thinking about those artists that did say something bad about jyj.
IF Its BOTHER u much….
just ‘click’ UP-Right THERE => EXIT
Seriously…(i been keep silence ever since reading ur comments in last post)
u been ‘pointing-out’ & start to ‘preach’ this & that is no good…
like we here can’t think which is good/bad for our-self? geeezzzz!!
Calm down. ^^ Everyone can have their own opinions. And I don’t think any fan is in a position to claim to know what JYJ are “fighting for” beyond the official statements they’ve made, which do not include a war or fair contracts. They are severing their contract, not improving it.
I really don’t think JYJ3 is the place to run to the defense of SM artists. Perhaps go take it up with the person who wrote this piece if it bothers you.
I agree with you , I don’t hate these artists under SME, except a few artists say very bad about JYJ. These artists have been understand why JYJ left when they are very successful. In other hand, these artists still under control of SME therefore they can’t tell the true.
I am a fan of DBSK before 2009 and now fan of JYJ, I listen Kpop because of them (before I only listen UK/USA music)
But I still thank you JYJ3 for this article, so I understand more about SME. After read your article I understood why HOT, SHINHWA and JYJ left SME. Even, they have been know they maybe can’t be perform on stage anymore.
The true never change, no matter what you have been done. I really hate SME because the way they behave with their artists, terrible contracts (13 years). JYJ are very brave, they are broke the rule, although they are pay very expensive price( they can’t perform on stage, variety show…etc) that the main reason I love them and support them forever.
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i think a lot of sm stans or those who say that sm isn’t bad (cause why would yunho and changmin stay) and jyj is doing this because they’re greedy and selfish need to read this
This would be confusing them with, you know, facts. They seem to have an aversion to facts. Facts don’t make sense to them.
If I believed in heaven and hell, I would say there is a pitchfork that has LSM’s name on it. There is a special place on his body where it can be directed. As such, since I don’t…I’ll simply say…payback is a B***H, LSM/SME. Get ready!
One thing I’m hoping for is that the SK judicial system will grow a pair and not allow LSM/SME to continue thumbing their collective noses. If you make a judgment about fines, MAKE THEM PAY UP!! Why else impose if you don’t have the cojones to do so? IT’S CALLED CONTEMPT OF COURT!
Lady Karma, I will leave the miscreants to you to do with as you see fit. I know you will not disappoint me. Thank you. Your humble admirer…BAF.
😀 LMAO –> “There is a special place on his body where it can be directed.”
Preferably while it’s HOT! 😉
^^ Just saw this and immediately though of your post –> http://www.badideatshirts.com/KARMA-TAKES-TOO-LONG-ID-RATHER-JUST-BEAT-THE-CRAP-OUT-OF-YOU-NOW-T-SHIRTWHITE-INK-P2260.aspx (I hope this is not forbidden though, hmmm)
ROLAMO!! Priceless, and saved! Thank you!! 🙂 🙂
“^^ Just saw this and immediately though of your post –> http://www.badideatshirts.com/KARMA-TAKES-TOO-LONG-ID-RATHER-JUST-BEAT-THE-CRAP-OUT-OF-YOU-NOW-T-SHIRT”
I think that’s the same website that sells the tee shirt with the big ugly bloodstain on the side of it and the caption “I’m fine” that I like so much.
You’re welcome 😀
Yes it is from that website 😀
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This company is just unbelievable! SME not only looks down on the laws by ignoring the court’s and FTCK’s orders, but also makes the company look like a hellhole which once you get in, don’t even dream to get out at your will. And when you’re finally able to get out, you’ve become so dependent and disoriented that you will find it hard to restart your career from scratch. Just look at how JYJ were struggling to survive right after Avex also dropped them. Not to mention your former so called “father” and “family” may not let you continue your career freely. I don’t know much about H.O.T, but 3 of its members got out of SME after their contracts were over and formed another group. Didn’t SME hinder their activities and try to ruin that group as well? What boggles my mind is why the court has let SME drag this case for 3 years when there have been quite a number of similar cases regarding unfair contracts against SME. JYJ have been fortunate that they can prosper despite all the obstacles, but the case has to be concluded soon, preferably on July 19. JYJ’s winning the case can shut up a lot of antis who until now still ignore all the facts and reasoning, and stubbornly frame JYJ as being greedy. >__>
“This company is just unbelievable! SME not only looks down on the laws by ignoring the court’s and FTCK’s orders, but also makes the company look like a hellhole which once you get in, don’t even dream to get out at your will. ”
Hi Angie, great comment I enjoyed reading your thoughts. Every once in a while I start to think maybe I have judged SM in the extreme – that no company can possibly be this bad, can they??? As you may know, I’ve spent 30+ years in the music business here in the U.S. and I’ve seen my share of snakes, assholes, bad contracts, dishonestly of every description and dubious dealings. But NOTHING like this. SM really takes the prize as being THE Worst and it seems to be being helped to act outrageously by the current gov’t of SK which is even more troubling. They seem to have even done trouble-shooting regarding their evil ways, once again pulling strings and getting their stock heavily invested in by many municipal pension and welfare programs so that if they go down, so do the poor people who have paid in all their lives and are now, in their old age supported by these stock market-based plans.
It is stunningly ironic that they have encouraged the belief among their partisans that JYJ are the greedy ones, the selfish ones. If there was ever a poster boy for unbridled, lawless GREED INC it would be Lee Soo Man and SM Entertainment.
“It is stunningly ironic that they have encouraged the belief among their partisans that JYJ are the greedy ones, the selfish ones. If there was ever a poster boy for unbridled, lawless GREED INC it would be Lee Soo Man and SM Entertainment.”
Isn’t that strange tho? Here’s a company that are essentially VAMPIRES, which preys on young kids (most of whom have no hope in hell of deciphering legal jargon and procuring fair terms for themselves) turns people into products, sucks them dry then tosses them aside w/o a second thought and yet, have managed to convince people across the world – even people in countries that are ALL about personal freedom and basic rights – that they are the wronged ones. That, in fact, it’s the victims who are to blame. That asking for fair treatment is the worst form of ingratitude. That being given a job you are qualified to do requires you to sign over the rest of your life. That asking for a raise when you’ve been at the job for 8 yrs and are still making less than minimum wage is greed. That quitting a job where you are miserable entitles your boss(es) to make sure you’re never hired anywhere else again.
Wait, which century is this again??!
“Isn’t that strange tho? Here’s a company that are essentially VAMPIRES…”
Yep, that just about covers it. And you’re right–it is utterly incomprehensible how in the face of all of the facts, there are still people who believe SM’s whitewashing job of their wrongdoing. Unbelievable.
I realy like your comment! ….If there was ever a poster boy for unbridled,lawless GREEDING it would be Lee Soo Man and SM Entertainment. I couldn’t agree more, specially Lee Soo Man, after JYJ and Hangeng left DBSK and Super Junior then he design but he has large shares in SME that mean he still have power and authority to control the company. He will do it behind not appear in TV or whatever. He had a master degree( I can’t remember in what’s). Usually when he got expert knowledge he got more dirty tricks to cheat audiences. But not for the fan like you and me.
This is what happens when you create a cult mentality. When you control the thoughts of others, you control their actions. What separates those who manage to survive outside of this environment is their ability to shake loose the manipulation.
I firmly believe the ambition, drive, talent and intelligence of those who make it away from SM, is pretty much their saving grace. They may have a tough time to start off with, but the desire to survive is a very strong motivator. Having some good karma helps too. 🙂
What SME has successfully done to the others is take away their sense of survival. They don’t believe they can, so they don’t even try to get out. When Jessica mentioned that she would not want her children to be in the entertainment business, who can blame her? After the company says no one tried to sexually harass you in public, that would seal it for me as well. No place for my child.
The fact that this nest of vipers has no conscience, is not a surprise. Unadulterated GREED drives some to do the most incredible things. They are not the only ones who do it, but it looks as if they enjoy doing it. This is what gets me.
@BAF I heard on twtr it is your b’day?? Happy B’day bb! Hope you have a wonderful wonderful day! <333
It was Saturday, the 14th, but thank you so much for the well wishes. I’ve got an entire new year here, so any wishes received, are appreciated. 🙂
Like your comment so much.
A company only founded in 1995 has grown their ego like this! What IF it became Fortune 500 ?? Who have nurtured its arrogance??
They comment ” rebellious slaves” as greedy, ha…pls let them explain the core value of a listed company in Capitalism first ; keep raise capital through shares instead of debts from “obedient” idols NOT an evil greed?
Although SM has kept on ‘losing’, their influence is still unshakable. This greedy, unscrupulous Mafia still has its ways. I hope eventually, the JYJ case will make history and change the rules.
(How nice if all the SM artists stage a massive ‘walk out’? But of course, not every one is so talented like JYJ [“Always I believe myself”], who are able to do it. And very few people are as COURAGEOUS as our JYJ boys!)
“(How nice if all the SM artists stage a massive ‘walk out’? But of course, not every one is so talented like JYJ [“Always I believe myself”], who are able to do it. And very few people are as COURAGEOUS as our JYJ boys!)”
You’ve hit on it exactly. It takes extraordinary people, with extraordinary belief in themselves and their abilities to withstand the frightening picture that I’m SURE was spelled out to them in vivid technicolor on the eve of their departure. All but the strongest (or in Chunnie’s case the most pissed off lol) would have collapsed and surrendered at that point, realizing that perhaps they didn’t have what it would take to make it on their own amid the obstacles that SM would throw at them after all.
These three, JYJ, are one in 10 million. Even if they LOSE on July 19th, they’ve gotten OUT and they’ve made it. They have a career. They are safe, free and clear of that evil company. So I think we should all start our celebrations a few days early for that fact alone.
JYJ lives! They rise again and they are unstoppable now. Let’s celebrate THAT!
JYJ, your other name is ” Jasmine ” .
Your revolutionary spirit & ” bloody” sacrifice , POSSIBLY not publicly recognized by those who gain the benefit after reform, but your young souls and courage forever recorded in Heaven, God must have happy for you, JYJ.
( ” stupid ” yet brave warriors once in your life)
thanks for sharing~ after all of this, i wonder whether sm has thought about changing their method or not? i’m not talking about evils turn into angels, it’s just, even from business perspective what sm done isn’t a nice move. it’s bad for their image, bad for their future. paying the artists fairly would make them lose some money, but gain more in the future.
anyway, from the moment the lawsuit begin, i’ve already knew that sm will lose. just. make. it. fast!!!! dammit.
Actually, I’ve already identified a change in SM’s policy. They are no longer recruiting great singers, or more accurately, young singers with great potential, like they once were. They are also going far afield from S Korea to recruit “new talent” under the guise of conducting talent searches, in less developed, uneducated, poor or under-privileged countries like Azerbaijan. They have ascertained that singers with an actual future in the industry, who might grow popular and wish to go solo, will start examining the contract they signed looking for a way out once it dawns on them that they can’t actually make any money and that will give them problems. These days, virtually anyone can be made to sound like they can sing with all of the technology available in modern recording studios. Singing live is no problem either – SM acts have long lip synced in concert and their acts’ audiences seem just fine with that. So why BOTHER finding good singers who will want OUT later? Better to find mediocre talent who know perfectly well that they need every single last trick that SM’s minions can muster to make them sound like they can carry a tune.
So now, SM looks for pretty, sexy little boys they can primp into teen heartthrobs and perfectly sculpted girls with mile-long legs who can be taught to pout and pose becomingly. Dancing skills are desirable but not mandatory. That can be faked too. That’s about it. These are SM’s “new” changes. What a company.
“So now, SM looks for pretty, sexy little boys they can primp into teen heartthrobs and perfectly sculpted girls with mile-long legs who can be taught to pout and pose becomingly. Dancing skills are desirable but not mandatory. That can be faked too. That’s about it. These are SM’s “new” changes. What a company.”
This is probably why their fortunes are being directed towards China. Huge market with money. They know they really can’t shuffle off their current crop in the West with solo acts vs SMTown. Looking at the honest attempts by JYP and YGE to try and establish a foot hold and probably succeed where SME will fail, couldn’t instill confidence by a long shot. Ergo, working more of their roster into the acting field.
SM’s artists songs and music trend is the same. The latest release songs by SM artist has the same music flow as previous. Dancing style is same.
I agreed with your statement ” SM looks for pretty, sexy little boys they can primp into teen heartthrobs and perfectly sculpted girls with mile-long legs who can be taught to pout and pose becomingly”.
We hope ” Hang Geng” inhuman incident with SM becomes the eternal thorn from SM succeed big in China.
@JYJ Global Listener
“We hope ” Hang Geng” inhuman incident with SM becomes the eternal thorn from SM succeed big in China.”
I guess we’ll see. I think the Hang Geng case is interesting because SM let him off fairly lightly (if dragging him through a court case and then threatening to appeal their losing decision can be considered “light”) simply and only because they view China as such a potentially huge market for the future they didn’t want to overly tarnish their image in that country, most likely after noticing the level of anger Chinese fans were showing them regarding the Hang Geng case. But count on the new breed of SM acts from now having the maximum seductive and addictive qualities. (as long as you’re a teen-ager with some cash to spend, that is) This is their strategy and actually it hasn’t changed all that much. One of the jobs of SM’s roster of acts is to seduce the audience into falling in love with them so they will continue buying product. I predict they will step up their game in this way in China by a factor of 10.
I agree with @lilibaiyu, SM Ent couldn’t do much worse towards Hang Geng because it’ll discredit the South Korean government image in international public too.
Like your opinion very much.
Indeed, Hang Geng’s recent new release, ” Clown mask” really reminds his ” dark” days in earning a living in SK. So sorry for him indeed.
And yes, seems SM has intensified using NLP in their idols’ images, many hidden hypnotic commands
throughout their seductive and additive piece works.
Poor teens w/o strong mind surely become slaves.
And this company lacks patience now , just like serving Peking duck as tourists’ meal : C grade roasted duck served for 2 ways of eating. The M team and K team sharing same duck that is ><
i see, so that’s why they didn’t sign any of those talents from kpop star then. 😐
Noticed that did you. 😉 I say…look out for SuPearls.
@butterfliesarefree2: idk… sometimes i just don’t click with current yg releases. i’m still anticipating their debut though! 🙂
It’s not that I’m really into YGE talents music. I only listen every once in a while. But I did check out a few of the the video performances on the talent show the three chaired. The young women who make up SuPearls are awesome. They have some of the most incredible voices, strickly RnB focused. I have a feeling YG is going to showcase them like nobody’s business. They already have talent, not a great deal of ‘training’ needed. 🙂 SM doesn’t have anyone who can touch them. Okay there is The Grace, but we all know how much SM values them.
It all worked out for the best. JYP signed the winner. I really believe SME had no intention of signing any of them, just my opinion mind you. But all these young ladies lucked out, they didn’t wind up at SME! That is is the beauty part. 😉
These kinds of actions are what I meant by JYP and YGE gaining a foothold in the West faster and better than SME. Sure SM is going to test the waters, but with what talent? Any act that attempts to be presented without being in an SMTown showcase is going to find hard sailing. Lipsyncing is not going to work over here.
“so that’s why they didn’t sign any of those talents from kpop star then.”
What is so shocking to me is that it seems to reflect my view that SM has moved past caring about real talent in favor of very pretty, seductive kids they can manipulate. SM is far more committed to its old business model of exploiting and cheating its young roster of acts than to sensing a change in the times and adjusting its way of doing business to reflect a fair deal for its acts, more transparency in their methods and a reasonable ability to get OUT if they want to. There is just SOO much money to be made when you are robbing your workers,not allowing any chance for them to make a decent wage if they are successful and when you have structured their contracts so they cannot, for all intents and purposes, leave you once they realize that they have been trapped in that way. JYJ and a very few others were the notable exceptions. But looking at them, you have to admit that they all had extraordinary talent. Also, interestingly, they were all men. NO women on the SM roster so far have ventured to defy “The Father”. And that, in 2012, is sad.
aahh CSHJ the Grace, I like them. But about SuPearls, I heard they are going to debut this September. And like BAF said, they are pretty good. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvS40kgLh40
I love your comment about SME, that’s true for a long time about the way they have been found the artists (not about the voice or talent, just handsome or beautiful even their aritist have to use plastic surgery to make their face look better than their nature face).
If SM still use that way to make a idol groups, it isn’t live for long, maybe first or second album because they are sexy or handsome on the stage so the audiences want to know how they are perform. Example: the new idol group EXO, they just debut, I listen their sing and dance, nothing new at all, they are similar like another idols groups. Only thing make the teenages crazy about them because they are handsome, sexy, not about their voice or talents. Although before they debut SM maketing for that idol group a lot.
Good luck SM, you have the best group is DBSK but you don’t respect and kind to them even they make a lot of money for you. I look forward to see how your new group go on in future. I agree with you friend, what a company.
“Only thing make the teenages crazy about them because they are handsome, sexy, not about their voice or talents. ”
I have a theory about this: SM figured out that having really genuinely talented singers was too much trouble and there was too much potential for them to become dissatisfied and try to leave once they achieved a degree of fame. And they would be ABLE to leave and go on with their singing careers because… they were talented. Their new strategy is to depend solely on marketing and serious auto-tuning, etc. in the studio to sell an act, not on the group’s real abilities. All the group ever makes is “mini-albums” and they only lip-sync live. Yes, they still need to be seductively handsome and sexy, but what kind of talent is that?? Since SM directs their careers in every possible way, if by some fluke one of them proved to be a capable actor SM could always say, “OK, no more of that for you unless you sign this new contract for more years, less money and more controls” or “You can only take exploitive teen idol roles” and nip that source of potential future problems in the bud. For SM’s business model to work, both the old one and now the new, the key here is that they have to OWN the people, lock, stock and barrel. They have to have total control.
This is why so many of us are so grateful that the members of JYJ got out.
thanks for sharing ^^
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LOL is all I can say because I still find it amazing how some people can continue to defend SME despite the obviously (RIDICULOUSLY) unfair contracts they have made and continue to make. All they can do is extend and delay the lawsuit, poor bastards.
We don’t “hate all SM artists”. We just intensly dislike some of them and we couldn’t care less about the rest. LOL.
PS: We here means Me.
Me too! 🙂
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I somehow feel relieved that our boys are out of that hell-like company… 🙂
I pray that every people who fight for their freedom and their human right like JYJ gonna win the battle and get a happiness in their life. I pray that JYJ and the others who have same problem like them can be strong and never gave up to reach their freedom.
I believe that there are a time for people like SM to get a result from every their bad action. If not in this world then i believe that God gonna take the Judge role and punish all of them and every money, connection, and power that they have right now not gonna help at all because of those kinds things just gonna be another burden for them, they are gonna be a nothing.
for SM : just go to the hell and living in there forever 😛
for JYJ : we always support both of you no matter what happen! oppa~ fighting!!!
i love JYJ. JYJ Fighting!!!!
what on earth is actually happened?? o_0 !!!
SM is really the worst company ever.With all the rules they broke,all the fines they got,they are still surviving well.Why?Because we are feeding them.It is really fans’s money flooding into SM’s pocket to let this company be the evil.Is this the time for us the fans to wake up thanks to JYJ?
“s this the time for us the fans to wake up thanks to JYJ?”
I think so. I think it would help a lot. In fact, it would make all the difference. SM won’t change as long as they can continue to make money. 🙂
I just come from allkpop..
people are bashing the three of them is greedy etc. Actually I’m confused with all these stuff since many SM artist is defending LSM and said they love him etc so that make our boys looks bad.
WIth recent success of HOMIN in Japan, people again call JYJ as greedy etc..
I just hope the truth will prevails…
“I just come from allkpop..”
AllKPop is a site for foolish teenagers to let off steam. I expect wholesale panic to be setting in about now among the SM Apologists as we are on the eve of the verdict. Do not take their desperate and nonsensical remarks even remotely seriously. As to who is greedy – Lee Soo Man is the KING OF GREED. His employees are trapped in contracts they can not get out of. Unless they kiss his ass their careers will suffer. You figure out why they must praise him in public.
My VE Sister,
“I expect wholesale panic to be setting in about now among the SM Apologists as we are on the eve of the verdict.”
Oh how sweet it is. Just imagining the blood pressure counts is food for thought. 🙂 If they are calling JYJ greedy, they must be expecting a BIG award. Oh wouldn’t that be nice. If I allow my inner child to come to the forefront, I’d show up there on Thursday go — Nah, nah, nah, nah. Ok, that does sound silly but I can’t help myself sometimes. 😉
My definition is — cases of arrested development.
Oh, I know. I’m happy and more than a little excited about what I will see on JYJ3 tomorrow. This has been a long hard journey, fraught with set-backs and trouble of every variety. Thank-you, my dear V.E. sister, for taking this journey with me and for helping me to understand and persevere. I appreciate and love you, from the bottom of my heart.
it’s still 2 days to go in my part of the country.. WAITING FOR GOOD NEWS!! 😀 😀 😀
“Oh, I know. I’m happy and more than a little excited about what I will see on JYJ3 tomorrow. This has been a long hard journey, fraught with set-backs and trouble of every variety. Thank-you, my dear V.E. sister, for taking this journey with me and for helping me to understand and persevere. I appreciate and love you, from the bottom of my heart.”
This! The adage, ‘unexpected consequences’…I don’t think any of us expected to form the kinds of friendships we have. I’m not trading this for anything! 🙂 And likewise for me as well. XOXOXO
The laughter, the pride, the tears, the anger, the joy, the happiness, all of it, comes down to seeing these young brothers become FREE MEN!
I don’t give a tinker’s damn who doesn’t get it. In the grand scheme of things, they don’t count. The only ones who do are JYJ ~~ Kim Jaejoong, Park Yoochun, and Kim Junsu. In the end it is JYJ and their Family of Fans!
It sadden me with the hatred towards JYJ..T____T
“It sadden me with the hatred towards JYJ..T____T”
Not me. I’m proud of them, madly proud, in fact. This “hatred” you talk about… I don’t care about people who would hate JYJ for standing up for themselves and taking their destinies into their own hands. We’ve all see how that turned out over the last 3 years, btw. So no, I’m not “saddened” in the least. In fact, on the eve of the verdict, I am quietly confident. this has been a long time in coming. I sincerely hope that justice is done.
Please don’t reply and misunderstood my phrase above like what people in allkpop did to me. I expected the least from here.
What I mean is, i hate when people misjudge and talked unfairly about JYJ when they are not like that NOT because of they standing for themselves.
“What I mean is, i hate when people misjudge and talked unfairly about JYJ when they are not like that NOT because of they standing for themselves.”
Then my sincere advice to you is this: do not go to Allkpop anymore, do not read the articles there, do not read the comments.They tend to be rude, are mostly woefully uninformed, refuse to be informed and they will only upset you further. There is no law saying you need to read that nonsense. You don’t. Personally, I am made of pretty stern and resilient stuff and I rarely if ever go there. It’s upsetting to know there are people that ignorant and full of venom in the world. So I stay away and I suggest that if it upsets you, you do too.
I just went to enewsworld.mnet.com and saw a poll “which entertainment company would you want to join?” and there’s SM, YG, JYP, etc… I chose YG just to see who gets the highest score.. YG placed first (~40%) and SM got around 30%..
this is not important, but, I wish people would open their eyes -___- that company should be placed the lowest..
Lee “f**king evil” Soh Man is INTERPOL FUGITIVE
SM only cares about the profits that they are making. They don’t even look at talents that often, SM Entertainment only cares on looks. Why can’t they pick talents as well? I know that all SME’s artist are really talented, but they should give other people a chance. Look at YG Entertainment or JYP Entertainment both companies look at talents very well. Why does SM have to do this to people? I agree with JYJ, if three years that they have been a trainee they shouldn’t count that as part of a 13 years of deal from there contract. 13 years means debuting with TVXQ members. I still won’t forget on what happened with Hangeng about discrimination. SM Entertainment doesn’t know how to take care of there singers properly. When was the last time you gave SNSD or Shinee or the other artist a vacation. From what I can see, SME hadn’t giving an opportunity to give there artist a break. For the overseas singers in SM Entertainment, when was the last time that you let your artist see there family. Seriously SME, you don’t know how to treat your singers. Don’t you know that SME is a family. I also heard that if one of the SNSD members talk about anything for JYJ’s case you’ll take out one of the members from SNSD. Apparently, your too much. Look at YG and JYP Entertainment they did a collaboration with there artist together on stage. SME, feels like your an outcast with the two of them because you guys are big three. I’m ashamed of you! Sometimes you ruined the dreams of people. Let others into your company will you. There’s many talents in the world as well. Let JYJ get what they want, all they are asking is simple and you couldn’t even give it to them. Shame of you guys, only care about the money.
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Evil will not prevail.
Ok wow where to start
well first i want to thank you for posting this article very informative and i 100% facts and secondly i blame the SK government for SM’s actions.Think about SM is like a petulant spoiled child that can do whatever he wants and receives no punishment, sure the government makes threats and sets rules but the never enforce them. It seems like all it does is give them a stern talking to but we never see them truly held accountable for the laws that they continue to break. LSM is like a dictator its either his way you suffer the consequences
You should add in Hankyung’s case on the lawsuit in this.
And WOW, i did not know KSM actually went to jail
Can anyone tell me, how can anyone guilty can be easily pardoned by South Korean President like Lee Man Soo? What if it is ordinary people of Korea? Will the president pardon him also? Why is it a double standard here? Some party (usually the ordinary people) is below the law and some above the law? South Korean people can you please tell me about this matter…
I have watched many, many, MANY saeguk dramas in the last 5 years. They are by far my favorite style of K-drama. I have learned a thing or two about Korean history in them, either that or else every single writer of them is in collusion with every other writer to portray the exact same society elements in ancient Korea. My conclusions? Not much has changed. The Yangbans run the show, they are corrupt but untouchable by the law. The police’s job is to keep the poor people in line and to punish them severely so they will behave and not cause a disturbance for…. the yangbans, the ruling class. Same damn deal going on right now with JYJ. They upset the big entertainment companies’ applecart, exposing the dirty underpinnings of the Hallyu Wave, that happy, big bucks economic export that just looks so darned adorable and fun to all who embrace it. That’s why the entire industry felt perfectly justified in coming down so hard on JYJ, to “teach them a lesson” about who’s in charge and who’s going to STAY in charge.
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I HATE SM! My fave artists are under them and im so worried for them! how can they STILL get away with this!!!! URGH! this makes me SOOO ANGRY! HOW DARE THEY DO THIS TO DBSK(JYJ+HoMin)!! I hope they get back together and if not I hope they regain(?) their beautiful friendship
Anyone heard about the Incheon Asian Games Committee, as of July 1st, JYJ has not been included in the opening and closing ceremony performance but “newly added EXO”. JYJ have been honorary ambassadors for over a year promoting IAG including the recorded “ONLY ONE” song. I haven’t checked lately but not long ago the ticketing agency had still on the ticket JYJ written. JYJ were promised the performance, they were promised that IAG will not hurt them like in 2011. There is a petition ongoing on change.org about the investigation of unfair treatment for JYJ find it and sign. I haven’t seen any latest development whether IAGC has made up their mind. I heard also that SM Ent. put some money in the Paralympic (?)…….. could that be the reason IAGC is now JYJ pulling out because of SM monetary sponsorship and so the add of EXO???
Hi. Of course, SM bribed the organizing committee and they re-named the bribe a “sponsorship” which suddenly coincidentally meant JYJ was OUT and EXO was in. This is the kind of mafia-like outfit SM Entertainment is, but no one does anything about it because 1. they are well connected at the highest level and 2. they indulge in brainwashing their groups’ fans to LOVE the members and become addicted to watching them. I know this can sound outlandish at first but I can guarantee you that is what is happening. Young fans simply don’t care that they are sending their money to a criminal organization. They want what they want, instant gratification of seeing and hearing their idols, never mind that SM is systematically robbing them of rightfully earned royalties. It’s a sad situation with no end in sight.
The StandUp4JYJ Facebook page has been promoting all 3 petitions for several weeks now; so far the one calling for an investigation of the events leading to JYJ’s dismissal is doing the best. 🙂
here are 2 petitions you can participate:
Done! Signed and made a comment
Finallyyyyyyyy, SM is falling!!!!! I am glad to see that. What they did to us was unacceptable!!!!
The Incheon Asian Game 2014, SM’s EXO was in and JYJ was out, which was ridiculous because JYJ was the ambassador
MAMA2014 and GDA2014, SM’s EXO won, instead of TVXQ. Come on seriously, SM was a totally jerk that should have dissapeared in Korea for a long time ago!!!!!!!!