JYJ3 Note: This article doesn’t reflect the opinion of JYJ3 Team, only the author.
The arbitration meeting date it’s set for August 10th.
There is no final verdict date.
Word out of Korea is the final hearing/announcement of the verdict which was supposed to happen on July 19 2012 has been delayed.
According to translated reports, the reason for the delay is because SM requested a mediation/arbitration meeting. Some say this is another SM delay tactic, while others think SM is seeking a private solution to prevent having a public court judgment entered against it.
According to a report, both parties “must adhere to the court’s decision once it grants arbitration”. (1)
SM applied for arbitration this last time on July 11 2012. This may suggest that the Court decision is not in SM’s favor and the company is seeking to end the dispute without having a Court ruling against it.
But this isn’t the first time SM has sought arbitration. Previous attempts at arbitration by SM failed, which resulted in the restart of the hearings aimed towards concluding this approx. 3 year case. (2)
Hearings in the case were finally completed and a verdict was expected to be announced July 19 2012. However, SM is still dragging its feet on this issue.
This problem between JYJ and SM blew up when the guys sought to terminate the ‘exclusive’ part of the contract with SM, which gave SM the ability to have a massive amount of master/slave-like control over not just the professional life but also the personal lives of these young men.
The root cause of this dispute is not really CreBeau or any other outside party. The main conflict between members of JYJ and SM was their ridiculously lopsided contract.
Previous court rulings in this case sided with JYJ that SM’s control amounted to unfair contracting practices and laws in South Korea have since changed to try to get rid of 13 year slave contracts.
The Korean Fair Trade Commission (KFTC) have previously investigated SM. (3)
Earlier reports already revealed some of the details of the contract between members of JYJ and SM. Its important to remember why this dispute began.
Such lopsided contracts included clauses like receiving no more than 5% of their album sales, and then splitting that 5% among the 5 of them. (4) SM assigned a manager to them. The group couldn’t chose anyone outside of the company to manage them. And of course the manager had a built in obligation to be loyal, first, to SM since he worked for SM.
SM could also decide to transfer all or part of TVXQ’s contract to some other business if they felt like it. Although they could object, there’s no reason why SM couldn’t use that threat as leverage to ensure members would do exactly what SM wanted.
TVXQ (which includes members of JYJ) did not receive any payment at all for appearing on TV shows where they weren’t regular cast members.
IF JYJ were unable to perform their normal activities for personal reasons, presumably like getting sick or family emergencies, their contracts were extended by the amount of time they took off. This must have been one of the reasons why they were sick as dogs and still got on stage to perform.
SM decided what activities they would be involved in and retained the rights to all goods, copyrights, distribution rights, performance rights, karaoke rights and the right to create “second hand goods regarding any compositions, arrangements or lyrics done” by all of TVXQ.
SM was allowed to give any song composed by any member of TVXQ (JYJ) to anybody else without the consent of the members.
Although SM incurred all production fees for an album, they were also contractually obligated to all profits. From the translated report Clause 8 (P.R. and Production Fees):
“3. For the production of albums that is done by ‘A’ and ‘B’, all responsibility including production fees is incurred by ‘A’ and ‘A’ is entitled to all profits or losses.“ (4)
A = SM
B = TVXQ
6 months before any termination of the contract, TVXQ are contractually obligated to produce an album.
If SM decides to stop the activities of TVXQ, they want TVXQ to compensate SM… even though it was SM’s decision to stop activities.
In addition, SM had control over the personal lives of each member. If TVXQ were scheduled so tight that the members only had 2 hours of sleep, then so be it.
The members also had to get permission from SM before they could invest in any outside company, which in effect gave SM total control over the little amount of money the members were paid.
And how much compensation did SM seek if TVXQ didn’t complete their obligations? SM wanted 3 TIMES the amount of money they initially invested into the group, PLUS 2 TIMES the “predicted profit” that would have been gained if the contract had not been terminated.
With a contractual setup like this, SM could claim any astronomical amount of investment along with any astronomical amount of “predicted profit”, which would be impossible for anybody to pay. Thus, having the affect of keeping the group with the company.
What was SM’s legal obligations to JYJ? The only obligation they had to the guys was to “maintain the popularity” of TVXQ and to “quickly report the schedule” to them. ….That’s it.
Moreover, apparently they wanted the members to sign away their rights to file a lawsuit if there was ever a dispute. According to the translated contract, in Clause 12 (Disputes and other responsibilities):
“If any misunderstandings occur due to a communication error in the contract, the problem is to be solved in a mutual agreement by ‘A’ and ‘B’ based on trust.”
Based on trust? Seriously?
And lord only knows what else the members had to deal with before they finally left.
Again, its important that we realize just why JYJ is in this legal dispute to begin with. Its not a simple situation nor employee greed. There are some serious legal problems which required a Court’s attention.
Now with SM seeking arbitration… again… we are left to wonder what if any resolution can be made by the two parties alone.
Source mat.: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
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Tagged: JYJ, Opinion, SM, TVXQ
oh my god
I hope that our boys won’t get tired of fighting for their rights… and I thought Korea was a “clean” country? Apparently it’s not.. JYJ FIGHTING!! 🙂
i was reading past reports about this issue and i had all these emotions going through me, as well as questions…one of them was why did the group disband or why didn’t the other 2 members side with jyj when it’s very obvious that sm committed such an unpardonable crime to them? excuse me for this, but why did u-know and changmin continue working with sm and worst come out as a duo carrying the same name? at first, i felt bad just being a jyj fan and thought i should not be biased since i, too am a fan of dbsk (even i get to know them after they had disbanded); but after reading some reports, from where i am in the u.s. i will support jyj the best i could. more power to these guys, and you will always be in my good wishes and prayers.
Damn damn damn it was supposed to end today ….what with Junsu’s concert in Singapore being called off and SM extending rapidly into the drama industy , I fear for JYJ’s future :(.
I do feel sad that junsu concert in Singapore is called off. I not sure if it because of sm effect because one of our local biggest event organizer is organizing all sm company concerts. Jyj concert last year was also being called off! Very disappointed. But there might be a reason that the concert halls in Singapore are fully book till the end of the year.
I want to hit everyone that’s over SM’s Company with a fucking bat (i’m on RAGE).
Really.. I wanna kick SM’s head !!
SM always delayed final lawsuit..
This so SVCK , when SM made abitration again..
I’m pretty sure that JYJ will win this final lawsuit..
I’m so tired of this and sooo tired of Korea sometimes…sorry, but the law there sucks, everyone knows what sm is doing and they do nothing, even if the ask for a delay, they give it to them….that’s why sm is like that,k because they always do what they want….they have had so many lawsuit and they keep acting the same…and I really dont hate the other bands that are part of sm, but i fucking hate how they are everywhere!…come on, JYJ shows a movie at the cinema, sm does the same, JYJ does comercials for diferent things sm does the same, JYJ acts in dramas…or sm does the same…get a life sm and the law should start doing its job!…so pissed off right now…sorry
I’ve noticed that they’ve been doing this too. It just makes me so concerned for JYJ…
Yeah , exactly… SM is Copycat management. Poor Creativities !!
I’m not sure, but i think that even tvxq did some medicine commercial??? nothing against them, i dont follow them though, but i think that is just TOO MUCH
You know when SM made a film called ‘I AM THE MOVIE’ ??
I think its copycat from JYJ previous film… Bcz on I AM ,they r describing private life same with JYJ.
I know, they did the exact same type of ‘movie’ they even take the theatre from JYJ, but at the end JYJ was a lot more succesful than sm…i think that at the end doesnt matter what sm does, JYJ will always be better in everything…but maybe the guys might get tired of strugling with every simple thing
I’m horrified and dismayed right now. How can they grant this when SM has been dragging this case along for YEARS?! We know it, so they sure as hell know it too… WTF?!
I’m disgusted by all of this… JYJ fighting!
OMG. Dirty SM. Fighting jyj! We are always with you boys.
In my opinion, the company has to be forced to close its doors FOREVER and EVER. However, we know that things don’t work like that in real life. What this devil in disguise is seeking is to get a lesses punishment for its wrongdoings, so it continues to do the same. How can the brothers stand by and continue do business as usual is besides me. I do hope that our boys surrounded themselves w/ the toughest, the most “ruthless” lawyers and take these snakes out for good.
Can i ask y’all sumthing ??
is on 10 august rly the final lawsuit or just make an abitration ??
Im so curious—
@Mollyzka: it is for arbitration.
Thanks for the info ^^
I can’t bear any more of the incompetence and injustice of the Korean Court! The judges may have been bought by SM; I wouldn’t be surprised if this was actually the case. Otherwise, hard to comprehend.
Of course SM doesn’t want a public judgement. Heaven forbid it tarnishes their image and exposes how they really treat their groups, past and present. (snort) At this point, complete transparency in their business practices, accounting and contracts should be key, but I ain’t holding my breath…’cause that would only harm me. 😉
but everyone already knows how they trwat them…is what make things more frustrating, because noone does anything!
I’m not even surprised… *bitter* It’s always the same.
OMG will be that it will never have an end???? damn SM
JYJ, you guys will have my love and support as long as you need me to, i’ll support you more than i already have, be strong to fight the devil, we’ll be at your side,always..JYJ fighting!!! sm, you’re so ugly.
i love how the writer emphasizes the unfairness. the heck with employers’ greed, the way sm doing their business is all wrong. even if sm invest with all their money in someone else’s work, it doesn’t make sense how they get all the money and the boys didn’t get their copyright money. and heck, this is freakin entertainment company, their job is freakin managing the boys’ activities as entertainers, why would the boys must be obliged to them in other business they want to do? now, sm makes their artists as their shareholders, making them looks fairer. are you kidding me? i mean, no offense to these artsists, but most of them aren’t business players, and now they don’t even have a manager on their side (all from sm’s side, parents don’t count as not all of them understand), do you think they’ll get real fair profit share now? man. if anything, making them shareholders is a way to shift on responsibilities to these youngsters when they had difficulties.
thanks dongbanger for writing this, and jyj3 for sharing this.
My mind never understands why the parents and the boys in first place agree to sign that contract. It’s so unfair and abusive. Poor boys
This is SICK….Is SM sooooo large like that in Korea that they can band any law they want…. my god …this is just like here too if u have many good connections with the ruling party, u can band any law u want in ur favour and no one can do anything about it… 😥
I really really hope that the people who going make final decision are side with the boys not with SM…. I know the the law is by their side…we need ppl here…
And also like daebaksama mentioned the boys need toughest lawyers by their side too..
What can we expect ? it’s not only about SM but a cancer at it’s most advanced stage is engulfing the whole circle – interdependence of different sectors, not only within the entertainment industry but it has metastasised to other branches of society, from business sectors to politicians -making it so sick. SM doesn’t have to pay a bribe to those people who might lobbied the judicial branch, it’s all a matter of symbiotic relationship, all those people whose individual interests might be negatively affected if SM will lose are extending their helping hands to each other. JYJ is just composed of three young men against this cancer-infected-society, I think the boys and their legal team are already anticipating this acceptance of the 5th arbitration to happen, what can they do but continue the battle, it’s the last man standing to win. If it’s a card game, we know too well who’s holding the aces, only the losing opponent is collaborating with other people around to do synchronized cheating to win – let’s just wait and see if a cheater could win in this JYJ-SM battle.
can we all make a petition to SK govt so that SK officials aware that this has been heard by international fans and it’s somewhat destroying the country’s image?
But its not easy as we though..
Altought we have many fact and proof its not work..
This link is regarding the petition that was done last year by 80K+ international fans. Trust me SK officials know, they just don’t care. We just have to stand tall. There are also other links on site that will provdie more information on how it was done.
SK maybe on SM side ikr….
Why SM must covering all entertainment music in Korea !! Yeah i know that SM is the BIGGEST Company but why all ppl always on SM side although he/s know that SM is The Worst company ever
there are must be many reason behind of those things……maybe for some bunch people who doesn’t want any changes in their entertainment industry because if the system on it changes, they are gonna lose what they have now, or maybe because people already became used with the agency attitude n even though the people doesn’t like it, they choose to step aside and became a spectator only. They are just gonna said this is not right and that’s not right about SM act but they are not gonna interfere more, etc. i am sure there are still many an other reason behind it (it’s only my opinion though and i hope there are no people who felt offended by my comment).
maybe… if JYJ win this lawsuit, it cause domino effect and their national treasure a.k.a KPOP Wave will drop down.
“WAVE” (according wiki) the most basic wave is the (spatially) one-dimensional sine wave, amplitude of the wave, there’s the HIGHEST point also LOWEST point during one wave cycle, let’s wait n see when this KPOP phenomenon will drop down or in the LOWEST point
Is cronisme. Should the system being challenged, a lot of people (such as businessmen + politicians?) will get affected! Thus parties involved will try to cover each one’s backside….& someone has to be sacrified and be the cronies scapegoat. Minority use to be the victims when come to this situation and this worried me the most, please everyone pray hard for our beloved JYJ to fight against those “mafia”!
S. Korea as a whole is controversial enough! Is this country really in the WTO?
One side it promotes to the world with images as free, young, energetic, legendary…
in reality, not only its entertainment industry is “distorted”, many others sectors also so problematic.
If foreign giant entertainment agencies were established in this countries,
a more balanced market will appear. However, this govt doesn’t want money drain,
so Laissez-faire to the extreme!
JYJ, your grievance is not a single worst case, its a worldwide phenomena,
its our comfort for you.
Well, If Yoochun did not surrender his US identity,
things may be better 😛
** work well, play well, study well, help the needy & enjoy life with family , best wishes **
In a culture like SK’s there is not a lot of room for people to freely express themselves. SK is not a true democracy, therefore one should not expect to see/hear actions that show this. It is a very closed society. They do not welcome other ideas.
It’s very difficult for people to step outside of their comfort zone when they know Big Brother is watching. For those who do speak out, and I mean seriously criticize the status quo, they can go to jail. Not to say that is what could happen in this case. But there is a mindset that exists that does not like going against the cultural norms.
JYJ did not set out to make a socio/politico statement. They simply want the freedom to be out from under an oppressive contract that does not treat them as human beings. The conditions of this contract are way past extreme. They literally define the word ‘slavery’. This is placing their entertainment system on display in a way it has never been displayed. This makes folks uncomfortable.
The conclusion of this lawsuit is going to set a precedent. Precedents are hard to come by. They don’t happen everyday. This especially does not happen everyday on SK. So, for others to speak out loudly and frequently is a challenge.
The voices that have come forward are those who normally do any in case. But the vast majority of people in SK are not that progressive or brave. So whether they know or don’t know how SM behaves is really not the issue. SM simply milks the system, but they are not alone, this is learned behavior.
But I’m a firm believer that justice will prevail over evil. It just isn’t coming as fast as we would like. Be patient. JYJ’s day will come. 😉
Yup, it’s more than k-ent. it’s ingrained in the society. it’s how things are done there. look at all the k-movies and k-dramas-> they are presenting the society the way it is ( no matter what anyone argue that is just imagination). all shows clearly emphasize how the rich and powerful continue to stay in power. countries in which human rights are not respected, in which law is not enforced, where everyone has a price and can be bought…arghhhhhhhhh. i will stop here, because I am sick of this bs.
I think you’re right. Take for example Dr. Jin, all it’s political powerplays and how it’s society behaves are so relatable to JYJ’s case. JYJ maybe in the modern age but it’s adversaries, SM and friends have still that Joseon era mentality. Sometimes I wonder if LSM is a Joseon man time slip to this century – slave contract, patriarchal submissiveness … Kyung Tak’s blind loyalty to his father, even if he knows he’s just being used/exploited but he still cling to what he figured out as the father who made him as what he becomes (so familiar plot in a certain company, isn’t it? ) . It’s good JYJ is an awakened Kyung Tak, but the process of separating from the father is never been easy. If it happened in Joseon era, JYJ were already beheaded – but what is happening to them now is as good as death penalty but luckily they’re holding their breath not to die .
Agreed @daebaksama @kris
Being the traditional collectivist society that SK truly is (despite the flashy images of high-tech gadgetry and 1st world economic dominance), do I-fans never question why its citizenry so unabashedly display their nostalgia for Joseon sageuk-dramas and generally rank those over any other drama genres? (Hint: its NOT all about the beautiful hanboks).
This is 1 of the many examples that could help give us insight into the heart of the SK society. True democracy (as defined by Western cultures) is still a long way coming, unfortunately.
Democracy? What is that? Or did you mean capitalism? ^_~ Anyway, good post.
I’m going to take your comment as snark, ok? 🙂 But one thing is for sure, SK is not a true democracy.
By the way, there really is nothing wrong with capitalism. It’s how you inject it with your political thoughts, that matter. Any socio/politico/economic ideology can be corrupt. Best to leave your political persuasion at home. Not easy to do. It certainly doesn’t happen here in the States.
“To take sth. as a snake”…..I guess that means you think I am sarcastic (again lol)? Sorry, I am not a native speaker (I guess you know that ^^)….but yeah, it was ^^
Hmmm if something is wrong or not with capitalism, I guess it depends on the point of view and who you are asking (on this planet). But you are right that any ideology can be corrupt, I think so too.
Hmmm “leaving your political persuasion at home”… honestly if someone wants to discuss it I’m all in, but I don’t go around and tell everyone what I believe in; on the other hand I am not afraid to express my thoughts and if my opinions would annoy someone… but since we live in a democracy (I live in Germany) I have the right to express my opinion, right ^^
But anyway, I guess that’s a bit of topic ^^
I’m learning. See, I checked first, right? 🙂
Regarding expressing one’s political beliefs, I’m not saying people have to. My reference is towards what happens here in the States. There are some who allow their political beliefs to infiltrate into the work place. Especially in supervisory or managerial positions. That is not suppose to happen, but it does. And of course we have CEO’s and corporation owners who publicly donate and support all kinds of political viewpoints. It’s what makes America what she is.
It’s just that in some instances folks cross the line. Like leaving photos of a lynched man in/on the locker of a co-worker who is black. This needless to say is so not correct. At office parties, mocking folks who are losing their jobs and becoming homeless.
Things like this. In a free society, some people can be downright nasty and tacky. But it’s the price one pays for having a TRUE democracy.
Heck, I put up a good size poster from a magazine cover of then candidate Barack Obama on my desk. Quite frankly, I was hit in the workplace. Everyone wanted to know where I got it. I should have asked the publisher for a commission considering how many folks ordered it! 🙂
LOL and I’ve learned two expressions from you today ^^
I see… I think I never experienced it to this extend (infiltrate into the work place).
“It’s just that in some instances folks cross the line. Like leaving photos of a lynched man in/on the locker of a co-worker who is black. This needless to say is so not correct. At office parties, mocking folks who are losing their jobs and becoming homeless.”
This sounds horrifying for me, actually it makes me really angry when ppl think that they are superior over another race or think that they are better, it doesn’t even matter why.
But honestly, I don’t think that being nasty and tacky has something to do with living in a democracy, for me it has something to do with human nature, because there were always ppl like this, no matter which political system they live in, which year or century, it’s just that in a democracy they can say that it’s their right to express their nastiness. (Btw, I really wish I could speak English fluently… I have to learn more and harder ^^).
I hope you get my point though ^^
LOL ^^ I like that, you should have asked for commission 😀
Yes, we can deplore others being mean, uncaring, and saying stupid vicious things, but if one values FREEDOM, you put up with it. It comes with the territory.
I got called out once by someone when I defended the rights of the KKK to spew their venom. How could I, they asked! When those people are responsible for killing blacks in America. If you cared anything about this, you wouldn’t say something like this. That is tantamount to saying they have right to murder.
Then I had to explain to her, as best I could, my reasons for doing so. As a direct descendent of enslaved Africans, and someone who grew up in parts of the Jim Crow era, I knew exactly what the KKK represented. Not to mention, I knew the difference between freedom of speech and the felony crime of murder.
But I also know what our Constitution stands for. I will put our Bill of Rights up against any other section of any other constitution in the world. I may not always agree with some of the recent decisions handed down by our current SOTUS, but the document they are charged with interpreting has stood the test of time for 200+ years. It has never been suspended, nor riped up in shreds. It still stands.
What our Constitution gives us, is CHECKS AND BALANCES. This I find sorely lacking in SK. If I’m wrong, someone please correct me. In the U.S. legal system, JYJ would never go through anything like this. First of all, SME would never have the opportunity to scam a judge like they have in this case. Judges here tend to look down on folks who insult their intelligence. 😉 Not to mention, calling them out on it. Here we also have juries, SME should be extremely lucky they don’t do juries over there.
And you’re right the kinds of people we described can be found in any society. But the level of tolerance for those kinds of people differ, from place to place. Paraphrasing Gandhi…good always triumps over evil, it always does. 😉
Actually I would say it’s like that in almost every country on this planet – unfortunately…
By the way, please do not worry about your level of proficiency in English.
I wish all my JYJ3 family would come to accept the fact, your trying to place yourself out there in a language not your native tongue is HUGE! I applaud this and encourage you, and appreciate your efforts. We can all learn from each other! 🙂
I can’t say that I’m surprised by this development. I was wondering how they were going to wriggle their way around this latest date. Hopefully the court does end up throwing out the arbitration request.
Can I say this word: #FUCKSM in this forum?
I really want to say that, ten thousand times..
We should make a WW Twitter Trend with that ^^
And people said its’s not slave contract. Reads like one to me. But again, what goes around comes around.
This lawsuit btw 2009 ~ 2012, modern ages, some people still don’t accept the definition of ” slave contract”, is it due to lack of education? or already “used to ” one , therefore no objection?
My guess is that people are uncomfortable with the use of the word ‘slavery’ in the modern world, even though it still exists in parts of the world.
SK’s history is practically built on the concept, and they have thousands of years of it. Here in the States, slavery in this country is practically ignored or not mentioned in U.S. history books. Denial is like a requisite for folks here. For us it just ended about 150 years ago.
So, it does not surprise me that in SK, there is a sense of denial about how accurate the use of the term is. Every clause in that contract ‘screams’ slavery! There is no way one could deny. This is hard for people to rationlize, or come to terms with.
Agree with you.
For every political power in charge , minimum last for 100+ years more. Ideology & value shaped by the authority and the riches. Hopefully all the discontent will not piled up, otherwise, ” Jasmine incident” may happen in SK one day.
Jumping in the convo here. Those who are uncomfortable with the world slavery, I will say it very crudely- get over it. Slavery is alive and thriving in 2012 in many developed and undeveloped countries; it’s a billion dollar business; it has to do with human trafficking ( from children to adults) who are smuggle even in USA, deceived, sold by their own parents or partners, used from prostitution to labor to organ farm or baby farms…Let’s not deceive ourselves in thinking that just because we evolved technologically, we somehow became better as human beings. Slavery takes many sophisticated forms in this day of age. this is the reality as cruel as it may be.
Exactly, there is a disconnect for folks who are in denial of the use of the word slavery.
There are all kinds of connotations. It’s just that the word does fit here in this case. When someone else gets to control EVERY aspect of your daily life, from sun up to sun down, and YOU don’t have a say in it…that is SLAVERY. You don’t have control over how you earn, what you earn, where you live, how you live, and have no say in any of it. You are not a FREE person. The members of DBSK/TVXQ/JYJ were not free.
So for all those naysayers out there, this is what a ‘slave contract’ look like and what it means. There is no other way to dress it up. As we say here, it’s like putting lipstick on a pig.
Since this phenomenon is still with us in the ‘civilized’ world, let’s call a spade a spade. SME does not get a pass just because the practice is not institutionalized. They know exactly what they are doing and seem to be damn proud of it too! This is why they are fighting tooth and nail to keep the wraps over this entire situation.
As you say, slavery is still in use in various parts of the world. And guess what, the ones most likely to become victimized are those who have no voice. The invisible ones no one seems to care about, so they don’t matter. Out of sight, out of mind.
In this case, as it is with the entire Kpop industry, they take young people with dreams and exploit those dreams by promising the moon, the sun, and the stars. It’s not hard to grab vulnerable youth and suck them in. So, they may not fit the ‘technical’ description, but they fall into the class of being at risk. Why is it, there is a mission now to tighten up the rules? Could it be the scandals coming out about the sexual abuse? Geez folks, none of that crossed your minds ever?
So for folks who love to run the line about, “they should have known what they were signing.” Oh really? How many agreements do we sign everyday of our lives and never bother reading all the fine print. Unless you are a compulsive personality disorder type, I dare anyone one to say they haven’t ever done this at least once.
When a LSM stands at the head of the table with his $2,000 suit on, with his gold watch on his wrist, his designer eye frames, his shiny, snake oil face grinning with his slick smile, and says “TRUST ME”, what do you think is going to happen? He’s the epitome of success. He’s made more promises than a drunken sailor to a whore. He has them hooked. SME bled them dry for the entire time they were there. Worked them like animals. And they were supposed to ‘happy little slaves’ – believe it or not, there are folks in America who have a cottage industry of books about the slaves being happy – so they should grin and bear it. BS!
Another form of slavery in America…people rarely think about is correctional slavery many corporations use the labor of prisoners..to make products we use today..such businesses that utilize this form of labor are Victoria’s Secret, At&t, Bank of America, Mcdonalds Walmart and more…inmates aren’t just making license plates anymore…their making textiles, shoes, furniture, clothing, ect…while making below minimum wage…
Many sweatshop employees in Asia work under inconceivable conditions…. companies such as Nike, Walmart, Gap have all been under fire for their use of slave labor and paying low wages…recently Apple computer had took lots of heat for their sweatshops in China…lots of employees have been poisoned, injured, and forced to work under grueling conditions, some even committing suicide…
And what about e waist dumping..where American electronic waist ends up in developing countries, leaking toxic chemicals..all hazardous to the health of these people…most dump sites end up in Asia and Africa..e waist dumping has become big business
I think all these company CEO’s need to be held accountable for their actions….just like Lee Soo Man…Bill Gates should be responsible for his actions of using sweatshop labor ( not that I’m saying SM artist struggle are comparable to sweatshop labors..who work under extremely lowly conditions)…because it is those workers blood, sweat, and tears who bought Lee Soo man that 2,000 dollar suit like Butterflies mentioned and Bill Gates that multi million dollar home…
Practices such as these and corporate greed ……. is probably why there will always be economic inequality and the disproportion of wealth between the rich and poor will always remain staggering.
I totally wrote waste wrong in my post…what was I thinking ha ha
I’m probably going to be one of the few people on this planet that defends Bill Gates/Microsoft.
Bill Gates made a point of taking his money and putting it where his mouth is, with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Through this foundation he is making an effort to make a difference in this world. An effort mind you, that has encouraged Warren Buffet to pledge his fortune to the foundation upon his demise.
Most American companies outsource their work. Manufacturing simply is not a part of the American fabric like it once was. However, I have not run across any indications that Microsoft operates in the same manner as Apple. No where is it indicated that Microsoft keeps its money offshore to avoid paying taxes either, like Apple. Is it possible for you to provide a link to this information? Thanks.
Slavery for SK ended less than that – Korean wasn’t on it’s own until the late 1800s (China still being a major factor even with their own royal family) and then in 1910, USA screwed them over and handed them to JP. Yes, I can say that – I live in the USA too. And then the Korean War around 1950. So SK hasn’t been “experimenting” with democracy long enuf to know what to do with it, plus they instilled their “class issues” into it.
But on another note – the court should just say “FU SM!” and just slap them with the bill already! All this stall tactics is really too much.
Harriet Tubman once said, “I freed a thousand slaves I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves.” <–I think the same situation can be applied to the way many S. Koreans (people in general, really~) think about slave contracts. Many people would rather stay in a situation even when they don't feel it is ideal than do something about it; doing something would take work. (For example: When JYJ were initially facing their television ban, Changmin's response to the situation was along the lines of "What did they expect would happen, they should have been smarter about leaving" <–(not those exact words, but that's how it came across to me.)) It seems like in S. Korea rather than deal with situations head on, people would rather sweep them under the rug as if they don't exist. But the thing is, you keep sweeping stuff under the rug and eventually the dirt will start to pile up until it spills out the other ends. Ultimately, fixing this problem will be kind of like helping an addict recover. The first step to recovery is admitting there is a problem.
“What did they expect would happen, they should have been smarter about leaving”
When did Changmin say those words…are you referring to those quotes he made about a flock of ducks.
Most American companies outsource their work. Manufacturing simply is not a part of the American fabric like it once was. However, I have not run across any indications that Microsoft operates in the same manner as Apple. No where is it indicated that Microsoft keeps its money offshore to avoid paying taxes either, like Apple. Is it possible for you to provide a link to this information? Thanks
Young, Exhausted & Disposable:
Teenagers Producing for Microsoft
Mostly about Apple computer but same manufacture (Foxconn) produces Microsofts XBOX
300 Chinese Foxconn Workers ‘Threaten Mass Suicide’ At XBox Plant, Reports Claim
Microsoft Accused of Using Chinese Sweatshop Labor
China Labor Watch
The links were for Butterflies who requested information on Microsofts workers conditions…
Thank you, I’ll read them.
Please don’t give up JYJ! There are many people around the world that support you. Stay strong together, you can do this. Sending much love and prayers your way…….
does anyone knows what a one-sided contract means? then read those clauses… i’d never encountered such a one-sided and unfair contract like this!
and i’m still hearing saying that JYJ are greedy… B*t*h*s
I guess JYJ is greedy for those freakin’* ppl who doesn’t give a sh*** what their idols are going through as long as they have what they want… ppffffff
Those people yelling ‘greedy’? I’ll bet a dime to a dollar, not one of them is working for a living. Mommy and Daddy are still paying the bills. 😉 They probably are still getting allowances.
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[OPINION] 120718 Final verdict in JYJ vs SM case Delayed
i knew it…….it’s gonna be happen. Those people of course gonna take this way, they are knew that they can’t win this battle if they let the court interfere. they are just a bunch of coward b’st’rd…..and i heard many people said that JYJ is the one who greedy and hate them…..to be honest i felt like wanna hit many people as many as i can but….. after i thought it again,i guess it’s not worthy at all.
This matter just only became my other sources of the spirit to stay and support the boys.
i believe that the end of these ridiculous action of ‘that’ company gonna come soon.
I don’t care if an anti or anyone who hate JYJ and JYJ fans read this and mock me or said anything bad things about us…..i don’t care at all of those things because even though ‘that’ company have a million supporters, money, dirty tricks it’s doesn’t gonna changes the fact that ‘that’ company only a vessel for a greedy and coward people.
yes you can said this is how a business get run and you can say ‘that’ company still gonna be one of the three biggest entertainment agency in Korea also became a success in business world but it’s only like that.It’s just a things that you only can have in this world and not gonna companied you forever.
Like i said before, in this world, those people can do such thing like this, keep delaying everything, ignore the court decision but when the ‘time’ has come, everything that they had right now is gonna be useless, they can’t ask any arbitration, they can’t have any second chance, they can’t run away and hide, they can’t use their money for bribe, they can’t ask their connection to help them, even though they begged for many times, it’s gonna be useless.
I always believe that time gonna be happen so JYJ i hope you guys never gonna give up and keep your strong will and spirit to fight back your freedom and your human rights. i am always gonna stand and support you as much i can. JYJ fighting !!!!
sorry for the harsh words that i used (bow)
I want to fucking cry. (pardon my crude langauge)…. As a fan, I can’t stand this anymore, but when I think about how much more the boys went through and STILL are going through BECAUSE of SM…… It’s a hundred times worse for them. We were ONE.FREAKING.DAY away from a damn verdict, but this arbitration was approved the day before the verdict. You have got to be kidding me.
I want JYJ to hurry up and win…Even though SM will still be cockblockers…At least the winning of the lawsuit can be a bitchslap to the SMTOWN stans and HoMin stans who are completely oblivious to the truth even though it’s right in front of them…. They DENY the unfairness of the contract when it’s LITERALLY right there in front of them; instead, they say that we changed the wording or whatever.
@vonz you mentioned that some ppl are still calling JYJ ‘greedy’! That’s only because of the monumental success of JYJ on their own without the Kr entertainment industry; if JYJ at this point were doing very little, with minimal success, do you really think greed would even be an issue; of course not! These people are either blind or totally ignorant of the law, and the law has(up til now)been in favor of JYJ. This request for arbitration is just another foot-dragging ploy by Sm and I ‘m truly disappointed in the court system for allowing them to get away with this-
Well , the “Town” is holding big event on 18-Aug-2012 at Seoul,
now organizing worldwide fans worship them at Seoul through subsidiary travel agency,
they surely don’t want any more scandals against them all these while…
we hope worldwide fans eager to join the “Town” big event on 18-Aug-2012 at Seoul,
think twice before consume. Are yr happiness built on others’ agony ?
Though, entertainment is entertainment, conscience consumption is highly expected.
and i heard that the town charged some fees for fans to go to that event.. i wonder if their event would be successful though..
If through a travel package, all inclusive.
They have loyal fans base….and recently all TV in Asia seems
parring up to boost this summer vacation business pie !
That Town is tactful at B2B networking.
Actually their should be something like a demonstration with banners and everything for JYJ, addressing the horrible doings of SM infront of this building or wherever this event will be held…. hmmmm are demonstrations in SK legal?
ups, *there not their ^^ sorry
yeah, was there already any demonstration regarding this problem in SK?
I don’t know… never read something about one.
JYJ please stay strong and do not give up! Your fans love you and is standing by your side forever!
Only 4 words ! GO TO HELL LSM !!!
my heart jst brke into tiniest pieces..
we’ve bin anticpatng dis day.but then again….
evrytime when d jdgement day is set n as it cme closer SM alwyz fnds a way ti avoid their defeat…its always like this..a routine….its alwyz easy for SM..i dnt knw..
my mind is blnk…my heart is hurtng tooooo mch…
p.s.can smeone tel me why junsu singapre concrt cancled…?
Stall stall delay delay. Put off losing for as long as possible. Also, this probably keeps the Avex lawsuit alive and the Japanese market closed to JYJ. So discouraging! I had assumed SM would just appeal immediately. I’d forgotten they could delay it this way. SM is tough, no doubt about it. There’s so much money at stake, I guess it shouldn’t be surprising. Let’s just keep supporting JYJ. JYJ fighting!!!
They are prepering for the ext album right? I was wondering if it is possible to record some Japanese songs on this one, actually I was wondering if it is possible to produce an international album, like literally with Korean songs, Japanese songs and English songs on one album?!
I’m sure when the time is right, we may see this come to pass. I think it will be cool as well. But first things first. Let them score big with English language albums for the entire international market. This is where SM/AVEX can’t touch them. Once all the legal nonsense is over, the watch out world! 🙂
What make more furious was the fact that the judge granted SM’s plea, after was REJECTED FOR 4th TIMES, A DAY BEFORE THE VERDICT. I mean.. how come they granted it when they have rejected it more than once before, and above all, just A DAY before the verdict? I mean I believe the judge isn’t from KBS. I don’t know if some of those 4 was rejected by this judge or the previous one. If those 4 was rejected by the previous one, and this one is granted by the new judge… than I lost my trust for any fair trial.
When I heard that the judge was changed, I was so worried. This new job isn’t involved as much as the previous one. He wasn’t there from the very beginning. I’m afraid he don’t really understand SM dirty tricks. I was so afraid since he just read reports from the trials he never attended. My background is psychology. I always believe seeing n experiencing things yourself are much better than just read notes or heard people told you about it. Gesture, words, how people said their story, how he would ask if he was there, etc.. could be a base for your judgement. And this new judge didn’t really experienced it all. He just joined in the latter part of the trial.
This case have been dragging for 3 years. SM’s distrustable acts have widely known. Heck SM even proven n was punished for interfering with JYJ activities. And eventho it didn’t make news in SK (it seems no many coverage for it), I doubt the judge as a judge for JYJ vs SM trial didn’t know about it. He must knows. That’s why I really really really cant understand how come he granted a plea that have been rejected 4th times. Even people know that when JYJ filed for a lawsuit against SM, they have said that they lost any trust with SM and that they didn’t want to negotiate anymore. So that and the knowledge of SM all dirty tricks, what make the judge thought the arbitration is a good choice for both of them? One side don’t want it, the other said do it just to keep the trial longer n longer, and it have been 3 years!!! Ivy didn’t even face this so many ridiculous things with her lawsuit against her company before she won the lawsuit. So why? I really cant understan!
Gosh I’m so mad that my heart thumping so hard while I wrote this. i dont even know if i wrote the right spelling or grammar… i just so furious n typing madly…
i hope the boys will keep strong with this. if us fans are tired n sick with all of this, they must be feeling it much more than us…
JYJ Fighting!!! Cjes Fighting!!! JYJ lawyer fighting!!! JYJ Fans Fighting!!!
I’m not defending the judge but he IS in an unenviable position. If the verdict goes in JYJ’s favour, he will have to suffer the consequences from SM’s cronies, some of whom could be in higher positions than him. If he lets SM win, he will face the wrath of JYJ’s fans and he knows he should NEVER underestimate the power of these fans. HIs photo will be circulated throughout the world via Internet and he will always have to watch out for frying pans or additional ‘ingredients’ in his food when he goes to a restaurant. So, the best way for him will be to ask both parties to settle via the arbitration route.
However, I hope JYJ’s lawyers will be smart enough NOT TO accept arbitration. They must push for public disclosure of
TVXQ’s earnings during the 6-year period to let the whole world know how much SM profiteered from these guys. SM supporters are still spreading lies about JYJ’s greed and a private settlement via the arbitration route will only provide them with more fuel to attack JYJ further.
actually i know abt that too… i have commented somewhere abt it before that maybe thats why the judge seems very careful in this trial, while other artists, for example Ivy, who have won the same lawsuit case agains their company, have a verdict not as long as JYJ. the judge must be very careful abt his verdict, i know. but the reason he IS a judge is to judge fairly. and i just cant understand why, after denied the plea for 4th times, after JYJ lawyer have spesifically said that JYJ have lost their trust to SME and dont want to have anything to do with them anymore, thus not open for any negotiation, since they have said it that they tried it numerous time before, until they lost trust to SME. thus they brought in the lawsuit. so, why now? A DAY BEFORE the verdict? when JYJ side made it clearly they dont want any negotiation. after 3 long years… after KTC have punished SME for breaking court order. after the court keep ordered them to submit the accounting reports n the contratcs but they never did.. why must the judge granted this plea, the 5th plea SM asked 10 days before the verdict n then ‘finally’ the judge agree to it a day before the verdict. i just cant, i really really really cant understand. the evidences have been shown, testimonials have been given, witnesses have been gave out their testimonies. for me, when the judge agree for the abitration a day before he should give his verdict, just shown that he dont want to give the verdict. i mean a day before the verdict? he should have been decided already! he have weeks to think abt it. all he need to make verdicts have been given out in the court.
idk.. i just so angry.. i understand he is in tough position. but it was his duty to serve justice, not a big company… if he cant decided bcoz he afraid of SM, then really, idk if i can even hope for him to give a fair verdict. i mean JYJ have won 2 cases against SME before, they succesfully have a verdict to annuled their contract n granted freedom. they also have a verdict that succesfully denied SM interference n injuction. those judges didnt faltered. heck Lee Soo Man have been found guilty before n should be in prison if just he didnt get the Presidential pardon. SME have lost cases before, like with Shinhwa n HanKyung. it mean there are judges who werent faltered, rite..
sigh.. i dont know.. i just hope the boys, their families, lawyer, cjes staffs will keep strong…
My take on SK courts is, SK people are all about saving “face”. Even more so now than their JP’s counterparts. So the courts, while using democratic practices to some extent, allow more freedom for both parties to come to an agreement on their own b4 stepping in. But enuf is enuf!! (btw, I say this because I have a friend that is SK, she came to USA when she was 14, and has gone back to SK on several occassions – one being to get married (her 2nd) and have it registered in Korea – and proceeding years later to have to go back to SK to sue her husband there for child support when he left her here in the US with 2 kids.) Yea, don’t ask. But it took years for that too.
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I seriously wonder which century I’m living in that this kind of labor contract exists and such company can still get away with it! It doesn’t take rocket science to see how unfair and one-sided these clauses are, yet some people can still blindly defend SM and say it’s okay just because their idols also have similar contracts. SM literally forces all financial burdens and investment risks on its artists, as well as blocks their exit door. It’s hard to believe an entertainment company has that much power in Korea to the extend that it can play around with the laws. How corrupted! I’m disgusted by the way SME don’t care how low it stoops or how much resources it spends just so it can suppress a group of 3 young men. In the meantime it will follow JYJ’s steps to copy their every move. Geez, it’s such a shame that one of the Big 3 can’t even come up with something creative and worthy enough on its own! I hope that if there’s no result drawn from this arbitration, the court will just go ahead and announce the supposed final verdict, because what is left that requires more hearings? There’re only certain ways to delay judgement, anything beyond that will become ridiculous and illogical. The case may be dragged, but JYJ will win. That’s my belief. We’ve been in this for so long that several more months shouldn’t matter. The boys need us, so we should maintain our unwavering support for them.
jyj don’t know notning of this!
the judge is corrupt!
SM does not care if they win or not.They are rich enough to pay any damages when they loose.They just want to show how powerful they are and get us all frustrated.Just ignore SM.JYJ is doing much better now and they are achieving what they wished after the split.
All we need to do is stand by JYJ forever.Let’s see how much longer SM can last.
LOL I THOUGHT SLAVE TRADE IS ALREADY ILLEGAL NOWADAYS?. WHY IS SK PROMOTING IT? .SO BUSINESS and money are more IMPORTANT THAN HUMAN RIGHTS THERE, EH??to you SK govt…… i’m disappointed at you . i’ll not be surprise if the verdict will make the horrible company the winner ..guys , the real painful truth will come out soon . pls prepare . .
Lost a lot of faith already in SK…. BURN SM, BURNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!! Crumble into tiny bits of pieces!!!
JYJ Fighting! We can do this DX
no no no no No NO NOOOOOOOOOOO !!!
why, Why WHY?!
i really want to break something now, maybe a window of a certain company in SK, but sadly enough I don’t even live in Asia
and secondly, I don’t want to fall to their level if that’s even possible
all i can do is stand by JYJ and show them our support
JYJ fighting !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i’m not surprised what SM will do but i’m surprised what kind of Court (judge) who granted SM request….
No No Noooooooooooo !
I mean .. COME ON !
I’m feeling Rage right now !
Even the Egyptian judgmental system – which has a reputation in (taking so long) – won’t spend that much time on a case like this !
It’s been 2 years already ! , don’t they even want to be relieved from this case ! ..
And JYJ ..
U know what Guys : U are Fighters , and in our cultural beliefs ( Good outcomes happen to those who fight and those who are sincere ) , Keep fighting ..
We will never stop supporting U ..
I trust GOD’s Justice & I believe in Karma ..
SM wouldn’t even have the chance to delay or manipulate the hearings if only the Korean law is normal (sorry Koreans but what the court does now is seriously weird). SM is confident that they can drag this case for as long as they want. Why? Because they know that the court spoils them. Yeah, I know the court is supposed to be objective and all but why do they keep on approving SM’s ‘counter-attacks/measures’ when they know that the company has been doing it for years with their other lawsuits (SM even lost their other lawsuits and obviously their goal is drag the case longer and longer until the other party gets tired or lacks financial back-up). Come on, you must know (especially when you’re a professional) when you should say yes or no.
Okay, so my main point is SM IS ALWAYS DELAYING THIS CASE BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THE COURT SPOILS THEM. Period.
And yes, I am angry. Who wouldn’t be? I expected the court to be much smarter about this.
Such a disappointment from the court…
I WANT TO SEE JYJ IN RUNNING MAN!!! So, please SM… letting these 3 boys won’t hurt you that much! GAH. What are you afraid of? tch… Can’t letting go these 3 boys *ups they are men now :)* means you are not confident with your 40+ slaves’ talents and abilities.
I want JYJ in Running Maaaaaaaaaaaaan!!! that’d be awesome!!! =DDDDD
SK suck a big country with no justice…..please TELL me that ist not true.
HOPE TO THE END 🙂
it is not enough that SM messed with the boys, but they also mess up with people who love, cheer up and follow JYJ…US!!!!!
Despite this arbitration and the delayed judgement, they better come out with a positive outcome for JYJ. Otherwise it ll just prove that SK, unfortunately, is really susceptible from the point of view of the judicial independence and loyalty to the State of Law.
I will be def marking up the 10th of August as a crucial date in my personal agenda!!!
Most of all what I want most is Junsu, Yoochun and Jaejoong to stop being treated as PIERROTS ( which THEY ARE NOT!!!!!!)
Take care you guys, love you with all my heart
Has anyone read the article including JYJ sales with TVXQ sales…like JYJ is somehow a subgroup of TVXQ…here it is…they really need a rewrite…they can’t combine TVXQ sales with JYJ.
SM Entertainment‘s second generation idols have achieved an album sales volume “all-kill”.
A post titled ‘2nd generation idols’ music sales‘ was shared on an online community site, and has been gathering much interest recently. While the big names of the first generation K-Pop idols are usually listed as H.O.T, Sechs Kies, g.o.d, Shinhwa, S.E.S, and Fin.K.L, the big names among the second generation idols who have also become Hallyu stars tend to include TVXQ, Super Junior, Girls’ Generation, and Big Bang. This post listed the second generation of idols who have truly acquired great success and income.
SM Entertainment idols have particularly proven that they have taken some of the top spots in the K-Pop industry. According to the post, when it comes to second generation idols and their album sales, TVXQ takes first place overall with their fourth album ‘MIROTIC’ which sold a total of 600,857 copies. Following behind TVXQ is fellow labelmate Super Junior who sold 502,830 copies of their album‘Mr. Simple’. In third place is TVXQ once again with 458,686 copies sold of their third formal album ‘O-Jung. Ban. Hap’, and taking both fourth and fifth place is Girls’ Generation with 385,348 copies of ‘The Boys’ and 334,785 copies of ‘Oh!’.
Furthermore, TVXQ proved that they were truly the ‘Idol Kings’, occupying 9 total slots on the list (including JYJ album sales) of 16. And among the top 16 places, SM Entertainment artists such as TVXQ, Super Junior, and Girls’ Generation have seized 14 of them, achieving an SM “all-kill” on the list.
Netizens who have seen these numbers have commented, “Wow, SM has conquered [this chart],” “[This shows] TVXQ’s dignity,” “It looks like TVXQ is on a whole other level,” and, “My album should be somewhere in here.”
Credits: star today, allkpop
I meant to put this in open discussion…sorry.
Well now, it looks to me as if someone should pass this piece along to JYJ’s law firm Sejong. There is a number quoted in this piece that indicates SME is guilty of a felony charge for lying under oath. SM, you have been a werry werry bad boy…
“TVXQ takes first place overall with their fourth album ‘MIROTIC’ which sold a total of 600,857 copies.”
Liar, liar, pants on fire…you told the court TVXQ could not be paid the increase they were due because MIROTIC sold less than 500K units. Ok, you want to explain the decrepency since this indicates you lied under oath?! Ah hah!
The whole thing is a BS piece of PR propaganda. It is totally self-serving at a time like this. But that’s ok, I still say, what goes around, comes around.
I can’t say that I’m surprised by this development. I was wondering how they were going to wriggle their way around this latest date. Hopefully the court does end up throwing out the arbitration request.
all i can say is please people help keep sme out of the US and Europe they are moving in and hindering jyj from promotion i really wish everyone would have voted for jyj London Olympics they were standing at 3 sme got it people didn’t vote
Wow. I’m just getting filled in about the actions of this SM Entertainment. I am so proud that the boys were able to break away and are fighting against this horrible ‘slavery’ they endured. I had no idea. How and when did the boys decide to fight SM? Is there an article I can read about how the boys decided to break away? How did they get out of the contract? What happened to the other members of the group? Are they still with SM? Gosh–I am so proud that they took the courage to break away from this injustice. A blogger said that they are banned from Korean TV and radio because of this lawsuit. FOR REAL?? iS THAT EVEN LEGAL? God, they are so courageous for possibly putting their careers on the line for justice. Keep fighting, boys! You inspire the fans to FIGHT AGAINST INJUSTICE AND TO STAND UP FOR THEIR RIGHTS IN THEIR COUNTRIES. (Are you listening, Turkey?) Fans, always be brave and fight against the VULTURES in your life! Don’t let injustice win. Thank you, JYJ, for standing up for your rights! You are showing your fans that JUSTICE, COURAGE and FARINESS are worth fighting for! (A special thank you to DAISY for her insightful article.) Rise up, fans of JYJ! Fighting!
hi!!! just wanted to share, there’s a project now for all JYJ fans who want to send their best wishes to JYJ for the court ruling – we can send our messages to them in Korea!!! Here is the project – pls share! http://www.vingle.net/posts/39384-JYJ-Fighting-Project