The final sentencing between SM entertainment (hereinafter called SM) and JYJ’s exclusive contract dispute has been postponed again.
The final sentence for the case between SM and JYJ is scheduled to take place on Sep 13, 10 am at the Seoul Central District Court in Dongguan. But the judge had ordered that the position must be adjusted on both sides. Representatives of SM and JYJ has submitted a written note on the 11th. On the 12th, the date change was determined.
SM and JYJ’s dispute is originally scheduled last July 19. Then was changed to August 10 but SM side requested for arbitration, but eventually, the arbitration has not been successful.
There are a total of 6 arbitrations since May of last year, both sides’ position show no signs of agreement.
Last July 2009, JYJ members Kim Jaejoong, Park Yoochun, Kim Junsu who were members of TVXQ (a group under SM) has filed for injunction on the suspension of their exclusive contracts.
Source: Sports.Hankooki.com via Nate
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KNetizens reactions to “JYJ-SM Contrat Dispute Verdict Postponed”
Article: JYJ-SM contract dispute verdict postponed
Source: Sports Korea via Nate
1. [+21, -0] SM, don’t be a coward and come out;;; If you’re in the wrong, admit it and pay the price. What are you trying to hide?
2. [+20, -0] What is SM trying to hide that they’re postponing this for three years now
3. [+10,- 0] If arbitration was possible from the get-go, would a lawsuit have even been necessary…? The three members would have tried their best to make it work then.. but seeing as how SM had no intention of changing for them, they filed a lawsuit. It was SM that turned the lawsuit into a mudslinging fight. They had three years to resolve this and still couldn’t until now..?
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try to send the CNN Freedom Project a letter or the CNN producer about the injustice ban XIA and JYJ recieve how they make MVs and produce music but are banned because of SME dictatorship over local brodcast and talk about the lacking justice system etc all the bullying the boys recieved the slave contract the lawsuit the ban ect. This is a case for a documentary.
do try contact the CNN Freedom Project. Not asian report nor entertainment report JYJ and XIA case is serious. if someone knows how to directly contact the CNN Freedom Project do give the link..
THIS REALLY PISSED ME OF .. HATE SM
this kind of problem will be drag on for years….albeit the delay, i fervently hope that the outcome would be fair and favorable especially for JYJ…they deserve to be treated well and we all know it
With all due respect, who the “F” is the judge? And where does he live? I have one or two, not so pleasant, words with him.
“I have one or two, not so pleasant, words with him.”
You are not by yourself.
“With all due respect” can be omitted. No respect is due.
Agree with both hands. This is how courts earn their litigation fees.
Delaying means prolonging the restrictions to JYJ’s activities.
The judge had been bought by SM? Or simply having no guts, no spine? No conscience?
A national disgrace, indeed!!!
“The judge had been bought by SM? Or simply having no guts, no spine? No conscience?”
Well, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck…..
Seems like SM owns the whole of South Korea…. They are more powerful than the S. Korea President.
That’s the way it looks to me. So if it’s NOT true, then the judge needs to re-think his position. Because barring that, his reputation as a fair and independent officer of the court is SHOT.
Clearly this judge does not want to have to make this decision. He must know that he will lose his job if he sides with JYJ and he cannot find any grounds to not side with them. Otherwise he must have some incentive to stall this as long as possible. Show a little backbone.
This is ridiculous! So so ridiculous!
At this point it is all about the MONEY. The court knows SM owes JYJ, just make them pay it. This is so much BS.
How many time they posponed?
The South Korean legal system has a serious disconnect with the term ‘justice’. If you announce something as ‘final’, then stick to it. The judicial system in SK is a joke. As long as it continues to show it has no backbone, then no one can take it seriously. How sad.
Major players on the world scene do not conduct themselves in this wishy washy manner. Trying to make parties who are not going to agree, agree is the ultimate in not dealing with reality. There is supposed to be a remedy for those who persue justice. What this judicial system is showing is that it does not give a hoot about justice. They only want to avoid doing what is right.
A judge is supposed to be able to make a determination and announce it. Your honor, you have all the facts in front of you. Now all you need to do is use your backbone and exercise your duty. If you didn’t want to engage this way, why aspire to being a judge in the first place?
The members of JYJ, who are tax paying citizens deserve better than this from their judicial system and country.
“There is supposed to be a remedy for those who persue justice. What this judicial system is showing is that it does not give a hoot about justice. They only want to avoid doing what is right.”
I think that it wants to delay an outcome that will be politically and financially disadvantageous for the fat cats with a vested interest. This is the POLAR OPPOSITE of what justice is. This is nothing but corruption and just like a corpse found rotting in the sun, it STINKS to high heaven.
But delaying the inevitable is ludicrous. They and the whole world knows SM is not going to make a fair and just offer. We know the system is corrupt. But the point they are missing is that the rest of the world is looking and passing judgment on them. Now, if they don’t care about that, that is a horse of a different color.
They run the risk of having their precious Hallyu Wave tarnished by the international fans. That wouldn’t look too pretty either.
” But the point they are missing is that the rest of the world is looking and passing judgment on them. Now, if they don’t care about that, that is a horse of a different color. They run the risk of having their precious Hallyu Wave tarnished by the international fans. ”
Well, I certainly would hope that we international fans will raise an alarm about this. I am certainly not cowed about speaking out pointedly against SM as so many seem to be. Because now, my friends, we are seeing the TRUE FACE of SM Entertainment. All day long I have been reading different boards on this situation and I would say that they are 99% shocked and angry about this pointless further delay, no matter which side they happen to be on. But SM doesn’t care about that. They don’t care about the fans, they don’t care about public opinion, they don’t care about anything but their own greedy and punitive agenda. They ARE exactly like the mafia. They function in exactly the same way.
I really hope to see all of the people who were so quick to raise the issue of petitioning C-jeS with all the things THEY are doing wrong will now be on the forefront of calling for a NEW petition condemning SM’s actions in the strongest possible terms.
Say it sister! What a joke this whole court system is turning out to be.
Ok, again I am going to sound like a broken record. Sorry, can’t be helped.
First, to SME. The game you are playing is not going to have the desired outcome. I’ve said it before and will continue saying it as long as need be. I AM NOT GOING ANYWHERE! Yes, you continually rig the game and play the system, because you know the Korean judicial system is shaky at best. You hope the fans will despair and drop away, leaving the members of JYJ to go it alone. BS! AIN’T GONNA HAPPEN!
Second, to the SK judicial system. GROW A PAIR. It won’t hurt, I promise you. Once you grow them, USE THEM! That’s right use them. See, when you use them, you get this euphoric feeling. Like a tingle all over. It really is a nice feeling. We have very young ones who frequent this board, so I won’t go into detail, but you know what I mean.
Third, to the JYJ fandom. We are tougher than they give us credit for. They continue to insult our intelligence, thinking we don’t understand. When in truth, it is they who do not understand. We are not some pansies who are pushovers. We are made of kevlar. Nothing penetrates us and makes us weak. WE WILL BE THE LAST ONES STANDING!
Last but not least, to Jaejoong, Yoochun, and Junsu. I said it before. As long as you don’t give up, I don’t give up. This ahjumma noona is by your side no matter what. I come from some very hardy people. We know how to stick it out. So, you just keep on doing what you do, and I’ll be right here beside you, however long it takes.
Peace my young brothers. 😉 To the JYJ fandom…FIGHTING!
About underestimating us, I think they imagine that we are all teenage girls who only like JYJ because they are handsome. They have know idea who they are fighting against.
JUSTICE DELAYED, IS JUSTICE DENIED!
“JUSTICE DELAYED, IS JUSTICE DENIED” <—– THIS says it all.
As a result of all these unconscionable delaying tactics witnessed, this truth has also become the only thing that pops into my head whenever I see or hear the words " the South Korean Justice System".
Sadly, in my mind, they've now become synonymous.
The one resonating point I get from this is just who is in charge here?! >.>;;
hate sm forever…
i cant control myself to bashing SM.. sorry..
All I wanted to know is when is the next hearing date and whether or not the said date is the \”D-Day\”. All other info about SM owing money, SM trying to delay and justice in South Korean being not fair at all is OLD NEWS.
So the battle is not over — the fight continues… 😦 Stay strong JYJ and everyone as well…
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Now this news is confirmed ! OMG.
I am so sorry for JYJ, all your hardly earned income , now pour into the LEGAL OCEANS !
-Jaejoong, severe weight loss, movie accident but still attended fans meeting performance same night!
-Yoochun, non-stop filming RPT to breakdown. Poor health.
-Junsu , tour everywhere till lost of voice, 500,000 miles flight mileage to earn a mean living
These are only recent ordeals.
Human body got limit, only 3 of them, how to fight against 66 + artists at SM ????
Is it SM want to protect DBSK & other groups September come back ?
Court : is there any mechanism to punish the party who abuse this legal procedure?
I demand the compensation to JYJ x 10 times , plus interest. And all legal expense go to SM.
In normal cases, legal fee will eventually be borne by the losing party. i dunno how they raise their issues here when they start suing SM.
Hi, i think Korea law is different to Common law , or most Federal Law. Just my casual opinion above.
for the whole issue , i may not in right position to elaborate. Perhaps you will have more from the earlier posts in JYJ3.
why don’t the judge just do his job and come with a decision. if the two could’ve came to an agreement this would have never went to trial in the first place. and ppl talk about the court systems in the US….korea it’s ridiculous.
i cant believe this!!!!!!!!
T_______T wae do they tell us at the last minute?!?!
When is the next court date? All I can say is JYJ please stay strong and continue on with your lives and careers!!! Do not let the devil get you down!!! You all have so many people all over the world that truly and deeply love you so much!!!! We all will continue to support you to the very end!!! Just remember despite all the BS the devil dishes out you guys have found a way to still blossom and be very successful and happy!!! Please do not give up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it is not something unexpected – SME will try to delay the verdict again and again.
of course, I am still disappointed.
so when is the next date???
what the heck?!! How much longer is this going to last? I am so disappointed in Korea’s notion of justice!
STUPID JUDGE HOW MUCH PAY YOU SM FOR POSTPONE THIS DAMN LAWSUIT?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BURN TO HELL SM, JUDGE IS EVERYONE WHAT THAT SUPPORT SM!!!!””
SM TO DEATH!
SM,JUDGE HATE YOU!
THE JUSTICE IN S.KOREA DO SUCK! HERE DON’T BE JUSTICE! WHERE TO BE THE JUSTICE?! X-(
EVERYONE ARE CORRUPT! DISGUSTING! 😦
SORRY TO EVERYONE FOR MY BAD LANGUAGE! BUT I’M SO ANGRY WITH SM AND THAT STUPID JUDGE! 😦
I wonder what does it mean about the position must be adjusted on both sides? How is the word position being used in the sentence below? What ever both sides submitted in writing to change the position the judge accepted it and changed the date. I hope the date is not too far off!!
“But the judge had ordered that the position must be adjusted on both sides. Representatives of SM and JYJ has submitted a written note on the 11th. On the 12th, the date change was determined.”
This BS is not surprising but I am going to try to focus on all the awesome positive things that JYJ have individually got going for them lately!!!!
I believe the reference is to how much the financial settlement should be from the perspective of each side. As long as the judge decides to play this game and not shoulder the responsibility he is chaged with, this will go on.
it is so clear: the judge is corrupt!
“I wonder what does it mean about the position must be adjusted on both sides? How is the word position being used in the sentence below?” ——-> That was the exact question I was thinking when I read this (plus wondering when is the next date is).
It’s so frustrating, but in no way am I surprised this happened given the history of these last-minute delays. The ridiculousness of the how the court has handled this case is incredible. All I know is I will steadfastly continue to stand beside JYJ.
I think that “the position” is THE MONEY. As butterfliesarefree said, this last part of the lawsuit is all about money and how much SM must pay JYJ. It also apparently makes final all of the earlier rulings that are now temporarily in place about JYJ’s right to conduct business unobstructed in any way they choose, which at this point is little more than a sad, not-very-funny joke. But the court has been willfully blind to this fact and has chosen not to hold SM accountable to the law.
So I guess what the court is saying is “SM you have to offer more money and JYJ, you have to ask for less money.” Now WHAT this has to do with rendering a final verdict in this case where 5 or 6 attempts at arbitration have already failed is BEYOND ME. But it is an unpleasant coincidence that all of SM’s artists were JUST recalled from Japan and must now promote their new product in SKorea only. Could SM be once more assuring itself of an uneven playing field??
@lilibaiyu why was all of SM artists recalled from Japan? What do you mean when you say “Could SM be once more assuring itself of an uneven playing field??”
@lilibaiyu ~ Thanks for the explanation, I definitely agree that this could be about the money. Actually that was my initial thought, and this may be me needing to brush up on my knowledge regarding the legal system, even more so the SK legal system, but I read the notice and wondered why (as you mentioned above) the reading of the final verdict is stipulated by the parties coming to an agreement on the money.
To me, it seems like it would be the judge’s duty to look at the circumstances/case and render an appropriate amount or at least to determine that the positions of the parties needed to be adjusted much further in advance of the scheduled ruling. All of this just gives further evidence (if any more was needed) that “justice” seems to be an very abstract concept in this system.
“@lilibaiyu why was all of SM artists recalled from Japan? What do you mean when you say “Could SM be once more assuring itself of an uneven playing field??””
There is a huge backlash of anti-Korean sentiment there now which has affected SM artists because of comments made by one of them regarding the controversy over an island’s home country currently in dispute. (I forget the 2 names of it but one is Korean and one is Japanese.) Since many Japanese are fed up with the Hallyu Wave anyway, it became an issue.
someone know what the reason this time?
Why of course the final verdict will be postponed again!!! As if we haven’t half-foreseen it already, geez! I don’t know what the fuck is wrong with the Korea’s judicial system or with this particular judge, but how could this situation keep happening? I’m flabbergasted. “The judge had ordered the position must be adjusted on both sides.” Excuse my lack of knowledge but what does that even mean? What is the position and what is to be adjusted? If there’re enough causes and evidence, and all arbitration attempts have failed, why does the judge still refuse to issue that damn verdict? Now he doesn’t even bother to set another day. I just can’t with this bullshit anymore. Screw SME and the court. I’m gonna keep supporting JYJ no matter what.
Any one interested at SM entertainment stock record? single day sharp drop 1.38%
This company, recent active buy sell between own subsidiaries,
what kind of financial games ? pondering.
-Pls don’t accept compensation by installments. Possibly it gets cash flow problem , & accounting / audit “matter”
-Currency all must in US dollors , no Korean Won
-Must settled before this month end. Otherwise , file SM bankruptcy AT ONCE.
-not sure SM used its subsidiary to sign contract with JYJ, subsidiary can register in Bermuda,
then the capital can be as low as US$1 .
** side new : Suju, Siwon SNSD being regarded as anti-Japan idol, probably not ” invited ” to Japan by this year end,TVXQ2,
OMG! I can’t believe this. What happened with Siwon? What did he say? Gosh! I can’t believe my ignorance; I’ve been living under a rock. Sharp drop in stocks? Because of this scandal or something else? Thank you for the information.
He tweet something about dokdo island is my country island..yeah something like that. anyway, thats a sensitiv issue this time, japanese people now even try to banned anything about hallyu wave, somehow i think this is the reason why TVXQ2 and the other SM idol comeback to korean and release their korean album instead stay in japan..
Hi , retrokim, just like Lyna has posted. The sensitive dispute Island matter. SM reacts quite fast for remedy, Siwon already seized a role with SBS. CF non-stop in Thailand & China, partnership with SNSD.
Ha…JJ & YC, no more ” quiet” days in drama field.
Actually, the drop in stocks is not that bad. They have been making a climb. They were in the mid 40’s range earlier in the year. SME stocks flucuate on a cyclical basis. When the issue with JYJ leaving was at it’s zenith, they had some serious drops. But SM also manipulates well, so the integrity of it’s numbers can be suspect. But this % decline is not that unusal. If it goes down below the 50 pt range again, then there should be some serious attention paid.
The important part of the health of the company are the figures given during the financial reporting for the upcoming quarters, and YE numbers. Then compare them to what they were the year before. This won’t happen until the first quarter of 2013.
Thanks for your insights. And to extent i found SM in critical financial pressure. It doesn’t want to increase the debt rate, and raise capital
their assets are bubble ? if mainly property , the assets should have
This year their US & Europe tour actually not making big profit. Plus global uncertainty, SM with so many subsidiaries , it doesn’t mind file bankruptcy on their own. How many creditors out there ? (just my worst assumption)
JYJ legal rep should be more pro-active. Put more pressure on SM, why let them have so many relax time to adapt and adjust ?
why not try file SM to bankruptcy separately ? This will help answer many puzzles.
I sometimes think that, up to this moment, the actual earning in the past were not organized. And the solvency is really skeptical.
I don’t agree with the judge , which let two parties to ” discuss ” again. Hello ! One side are victims. One side is abuser. ( the victims easily affected by sentimental SELLING , and give in. Just saying )
No matter how, JYJ will not have a better time working in careering. They badly need their compensation ,
SM CEO and major shareholder are desperate fighters.
Kim and Lee. Kim very straight on SM absolute right to earn. And Lee, his 2004 criminal record in Korea, prove he can do anything to achieve money goal !
One of the very interesting pieces of the puzzle regarding the posting of the SM stock page on Bloomberg…there are never any articles related to the company business. I go and check it from time to time, along with AVEX’s. Now I’m not sure how the service obtains its articles, but none for SME? Too much secrecy is a very telling thing.
Yes, it is entirely possible their subsidiaries are possible drains. What I’ve thought is they acquire so many to make themselves look like they are growing wisely. My mind keeps playing back the comment made by the CEO KYM about shifting their focus to digital sales vs. hardcopy cds. Lower production costs anyone? And fewer promotional costs? If the recent comment is true that their premier artists are not selling as reported….well. Also, their now extended reach into the Chinese market, as if they had a clue that Japan would soon become an unwelcoming landscape.
There is nothing wrong with diversification, it helps spread the risk. But one can grow too fast as well. Ask any number of U.S. companies over the past decade who have fallen on lean times. Not to mention the fact that their training system is probably their biggest drain. The format is not worth it. Even if the other 2 biggies have training setups, I would guess their’s are not anywhere as extensive as SM’s, therefore, not anywhere as problematic.
Regarding Sejong, JYJ’s law firm, I wouldn’t question their tactics too much. As I’ve said before, this is the law firm that used SM as their best witness for JYJ’s case. They let SM shoot themselves in the foot on more than one occasion. It was almost like taking candy from a baby. Lawyers can be a very tricky bunch. Just when you think they are playing it too safe, they come and jump out at you scaring the bejeezus out of you. My money is still on them. This tactic is kind of like giving SM enough rope to hang themselves.
It’s frustrating to us because we want this over with, RIGHT NOW! 🙂 The one thing Sejong cannot control is the court’s lack of intestinal fortitude — GUTS. But look at it this way. Ultimately, SM is going to have to pay JYJ. The longer the court lets this become a waiting game, the more this damages SM’s image. They appear to be more and more like obstructionists, petty and spiteful. It doesn’t make the Hallyu Wave look to nice.
I enjoy your opinion and thanks for your ideas for more ponders.
Agree, diversification is optional , but the way and the speed of SM, make me think of many Asia monetary court cases from 1980.
And in US , perhaps good example is Bernard L. Madoff & Lehman Brothers.
(*** just pondering, none concrete proof )
Korea judiciary, yes , lack guts. And somehow , really need to revamp and update society needs.
Just a civil case, let the world witness its softness. While in their criminal cases, we saw so much more heartbroken cases.
Even S. Korea president Lee , personally spoke up for the beast like crime committed in 2008. ( ***serious child sex assault)
So many these kinds serious sex crimes, so mild sentence compared to all countries!!
Whole nation rage against Korea judiciary. None improvement, keep let go the serial sex offenders, and finally an repeated sex offenders, with a chasing ankle bracelet, killed a age 37 mother of two, at her home, after she just sent her kids to school bus.
Wake up please , Korea judiciary!
Hey Everybody –
Here’s a pretty good letter/email to use as a template to send to anyone you can think of who might want to join with us to end the lawsuit. Feel free to use it as is or change it if you feel you can make it better. At the very least, please tweet it to as many people as you can via Twitlonger.com (you can just sign up and then you’ll be able to tweet the whole message.)
I am writing to ask you to join us in helping to end the unfair boycott of the famed S. Korean singing group JYJ orchestrated my their former employers SM Entertainment. This sinister company has demanded and covertly enforced an industry wide boycott through threats and intimidation of TV stations, concert venues, music charts, CD manufacturers and print media among many others for over two years now even though the High Court in Seoul ruled long ago that the members of JYJ were free to go about conducting their activities unhampered and unimpeded by outside influence. SM has flouted this ruling repeatedly and so far with impunity. No one seems willing or able to stop their law-breaking vendetta to end the careers of JYJ. There are no finer examples of hard work, great talent and determination to succeed in S. Korea today than these exemplary young men, Kim Junsu, Kim Jaejoong and Park Yuchun. They are a great credit to their homeland and have always been willing to promote the interests of their country as ambassadors of good will. As you know, in addition to a devoted fanbase at home, they have a huge and growing fandom internationally, with no end in sight. Isn’t it a terrible shame then, and certainly a blight on the reputation of S. Korea’s democracy for JYJ to be banned from ever appearing on TV in their own country by this criminal organization, SM Entertainment, who goes about flouting the law and attempting to ruin them time and time again?
We have just learned that the Seoul District Court has posponed indefinitely a reading of its verdict in the final case of JYJ vs SME in favor of mandatory arbitration between the two sides. There will be no end to this trial because the two sides cannot agree on a compensation amount for JYJ.
Something MUST be done here. Someone must act to end this terrible stalemate where only one side suffers – JYJ.
Please, let’s join together and do something. Please boycott all SM product, their artists and concerts until they agree to a settlement of this lawsuit with JYJ.
The law like that , who need this law!
Sorry for Korean but the korea’s law just become the big joke? How long you let SM play with you like a kid in front of the world ‘ eyes!
This makes me love more JYJ.Knowing how powerful SM is,they are fighting for their rights.Now we all know how powerful SM is,let’s fight together with JYJ.Stand by them,Cheer for them,love them every day more and more.
well, the least I can say is that I’m really pissed
I know something about law and all I can say is that this is becoming ridiculous… If both parties can’t do it themselves than the judge should take the dicision, that’s how it goes. Why can’t the judge make a dicision??? Are there scared or something? And if that’s the case than … pfff. Law and court should be independent from anything, it is a system on its own, no one is allowed to mingle in it.
I’m sorry to say this, but SKorea, you dissapoint me in this… but yeah, who am I to say something and give my opinion. I’m just a mere fan of JYJ that will keep supporting these men in whatever situation they’re put in and this dear SM is something you will never be able to fight in court…
Gah. I knew this was going to happen again…. it’s BEEN HAPPENING & its just…so frustrating. ughhhh!!!
Companies that don’t have fair labor practice and don’t pay their employees their due wages are probably not paying enough taxes either. The government agencies like the bureau of internal revenue and department of labor should look into this matter too.
According to the article a date change was determined. I cannot wait to find out what the date will be this time. I hope it is not too far off.
I wish the South Korean judicial system which just put this long, tortuous case out of misery by making the right decision the final sentence for the love of peace. Gee, it doesn’t take more than two heads to figure out what is wrong this picture. In fact, hardly any research must be conducted by a single lay person to know the origin of fault here. Well, regardless of the number of delays, it’s not going to change the final verdict really and I see this as utter foolishness to stall any further because the reparation rates will continue to rise. But then again, I guess that’s just fine with us seeing as it doesn’t cost us or JYJ anything for SM having to pay increasing compensation fees should we see the end.
*would just put this ; *for the final sentence O~O What is wrong w/ you spell-check/auto-correct! *glares* >_______>;;
WTF….what is the judge doing??? Chickening??? If Judges of court has no respect to the law in Korea then who respect the law??? Seriously if a simple entertainment company can play with law then everyone else.
Seriously SM .. you are managing 66+ artists…you should maintain your image for them…
Jaejoong, Yuchun, Junsu…Fighting!!!!
i just hope that the boys will stay strong and won’t cave in to whatever demands that good for nothing talent company is offering them… i know i’m a new fan but this thing is dragging way too long… :((
I still believe our Omnipresent & Omniscient God knows what’s going on in South Korea right now, God’s Love would never Fail.
Though I am so sad, angry and disappointed today, I’ll continue to Hope for Justice for JYJ, because God’s Love would NEVER Fail.
“Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth…” 1 Cor. 13:6
What I have to say about this regrettable issue, I said it already on twitter. What a shame!!!!!! 😦
The judge’s not helping at all -____- The f*** is that?!!!!
with all these news about SM yet people still buy/consume/like that company’s artists…… -____-“
“never surrender!” as if this is the verdict “in tune” by the judge and the korean court handling the case with f*****SM!!!
I think this case will be dragged up to eternity, how unfortunate !
part from http://star.mt.co.kr/view/stview.php?no=2012091308574034362&type=1&outlink=1
(translation from @dlwpdldhkdlwp:)
The attorney of JYJ’s side said to Star News “The court urged both sides to have another arbitration. [1/4]
The court sees the mediation is possible although there are differences of opinions between two sides. [2/4]
The court has strong will to trying to make both sides to reach conciliation.” [3/4]
The attorney added”the attorneys of both sides will have another arbitration in near future.”
Seriously, what kind of judge is that? So until JYJ gives in to SM terms, this case will go on up to the next century.
“Near future” – how near is near?
I personally think point [2/4] is laughable. “Mediation is possible…”? As if. Didn’t work the last 6 times, what makes them think it will work now? Paaaaleeeez. pfft.
And also yes, SME probably pulled all its artists because of the Jp/SK dispute about the govt issue around the island. TVXQ stands a chance of being in the end of the year awards, since its been noted they are not truly “considered” a Korean act (yes, even though they are Koreans) because of them starting from the ground up and learning the Jp language, etc.
ITS A KIND OF BULLYING……………………………but using the law……….
iThe article should mentioned that those arbitration was pleaded by SM, so people can see that SM themselves tried to delaying numerous time n tried to avoiding the court make a verdict by doing that, that’s why they keep hoping for settlement OUTSIDE the court. Not something you will do if you really sure you will win the case, don’t you think?
i was already mad like crazy when SM keep trying to prolonged the trial by not submitting their accounting reports, but now, its the JUDGE himslef who delayed the verdict. why must he did that? he supposed to be fair, not to be concern with big company. at first i thought because this kind of case is really sensitive, since it will changed ent industries in SK. But, by now not only JYJ who have lawsuit against their company. Hankyung, Ivy, and even Park Jung Min from SS501 are suing their company, and more or less have some similarities with JYJ. Even PJM was sued his company n ask for cancellation of contract coz the company didn’t pay him for his work, and SM PROVEN didn’t pay bonus and the boys’ pay for any concert activites the did. Hankyung, Ivy and Park Jung Min’s cases have ended with verdict after more or less a year from their 1st court date. They have won. So I don’t think if SM lose it will make huge changed like many were so afraid for. Other artists have done what JYJ did without even the verdict. SM have lost 2 times over JYJ. They lost against Hankyung and also many times to other artists too. LSM even have been sentenced guilty n supposed to be jailed before he granted presidential pardon.
So why the Judge keep delaying the verdict? It was weird enough he granted SM’s 5th arbitration after all 4 SM’s arbitration plea was rejected before. And the Judge always announced the postponing A DAY BEFORE THE VERDICT DATE!!! It was like after the whole proves have been shown, testimonials have been given, even after SM founded guilty for broken court order, the Judge seems so reluctant to give out the verdict. And by announce the delay just a day before he supposed to be give out verdict, just make him seems he CANT make a verdict, thus he keep postponing it.
“the position must be adjusted on both sides”? what he mean by that? What need to be adjusted. You should did that IN THE HEARING. There were more than 3 court hearing, there were even 2 under him (after he appointed for the case replacing the other judge). Verdict date mean you should give out a verdict, and not to ask them to ‘adjusted’ their position. What need to be adjusted? JYJ’s position is they want no relation with SM again. SM’s position is to breaking n destroying JYJ AND they are also a law breaker. Gosh.. i am so mad!!!
Keep your spirits up, JYJ. No matter what happens, remember that your fans around the will always support you.
Justice….Fairness under the Law….Wasn’t it Junsu who not long ago tweeted that he had given up on fairness some time agoT_T! To me it is slow torture of three innocent and hard working young men by their own country’s “judicial system”, a country they dearly love. I just feel sick at heart for them, but I will continue to stand by JYJ however long it takes; NO BS!!!!!!!
Hi Barbara and All,
I’ve written a short statement that I’ve started posting on various Korean interest websites and Twitter but i’d like to ask that all of you post it around today also, or of course write one of your own and post that a few places. We have to start getting proactive, we have to start standing up and saying Enough Is Enough. Thanks.
No fair minded person who believes in the rule of law for all citizens and fairness for its nation’s greatest artists can do anything but deplore this latest act of shameful stalling by SM Entertainment. The International fans of JYJ call upon all of the world’s people to boycott SM, their stock, their artists and all product they produce in protest of this blatantly obvious ploy to further delay justice for JYJ. End this lawsuit NOW! The International community is watching what is going on in S.Korea and its compromised justice system and we are appalled!
Well said, my sister!
I agree, we need to get proactive and keep pushing this in the face of the judicial system of SK, SM, and the citizens of SK and the world. Thank you!
But seriously as someone studying commercial law, I’m pretty sure all my course mates can do better than the judge at determining legally material facts and come to a conclusion based on legal principles better than the SK judge. Maybe it’s time for them to go back to school again and re-learn evaluation and critical analysis skills. And their legal needs a major revamp big time.
They seems to be trying to make JYJ lose their fighting spirit with all this delay… so they can pay JYJ what they want, and they can make JYJ do what they want…
I absolutely agree!!
lets just make JYJ not to lose their spirit.. 🙂
how? keep support them no matter what. 😀
The day coming back to music and reality show (: it seems so far away to JYJ. No matter what they try, they’ll unable to escape SM’s game. SM manipulates the whole system and plays dirty tricks behind JYJ’s back in order to stop JYJ’s success. We can’t use words to describe how terrible SM’s but I really disappointed the Korean legal system. SM can even control the legal system??? Why they do whatever they want without any punishment??? Korea have the laws just for doing for fun and encourage people like SM to break it??? I feel so pity for JYJ (: they’re suffering more than I thought. How can they survive under this kind of society and this kind of people like SM. I know fairness is never reaching to JYJ, but it’s too much for them to be able to handle.
it is again arbitration or something?? i read hellothrice and got this
[UPDATED] JYJ attorney speaks to Star News
SOURCE: JYJ vs SM, 전속계약소송 선고 또 연기..조정 재개
The attorney of JYJ’s side said to Star News “The court urged both sides to have another arbitration. The court sees mediation is possible although there are differences of opinions between two sides. The court has a strong will to try to make both sides reach conciliation.”
The attorney added “The attorneys of both sides will have another arbitration in the near future.”
JYJ’s attorney said to Star News, “Once again the court has recommended that the parties settle” and “Though there are difference of opinions between both parties, the court strongly believes it is possible to reach an agreement.”
The attorney added, “The representatives on both sides will schedule another arbitration date in the near future.”
NOTE: I added the alternate translation because the first mentions 3 different alternative dispute resolutions. There’s a difference between arbitration, mediation, and conciliation. The second translation states that the parties will face ADR but in the form of arbitration.
Thanks for your transcript.
Seoul central court, to me is not a lower court like labor tribunal, nor a small claim tribunal . The court charges are higher and can rule heavier sentence.
Ask the weaker side to ” discuss” more with the stronger side, for heaven sake!
People working in legal fields, have known each others wekk since university. And perhaps with apprenticeship relationship. For JYJ legal rep, obviously not wanting to
irritate the judge. But this case , they need to boldly put pressure against SM.
No discussion really needs, year end is coming, after SM idols got all the year end awards, all the tv dramas and concerts venues. Will it willing to sit down and have a talk again??
Pls files SM go bankruptcy tomorrow.
Guess it is the best effective method to solve this deadlock. And solve the judge’s ” problem”. So pls go to the highest court , don’t mind spend more legal expense on it. When SM go broke, everything is worth the money.
I was just checking in to see if I needed to put the champers in the fridge. The court is obviously concerned about my liver.
Seriously, though, I think the court is getting pressure to make sure that the settlement is not made public. If everyone knew how much JYJ was cheated out of there could be serious damage to SME’s–and the industry’s–reputation as a viable business. When the only way a company makes money is by cheating their suppliers (which is what the artists are — the people supplying the product SME sells), then there is something wrong with their business model. I hope JYJ holds firm and is willing to wait this out as long as it takes. Even if it means my champagne goes bad in the meantime.
“The court is obviously concerned about my liver.”
I suppose this is a possibility, but I would much rather they got the business at hand over with, and concerned themselves less with our livers. 🙂
Well, if the SK judicial system is this easily played, they need to stop pretending to dispense justice. Lady Justice may be blind, but she’s not stupid. Oh wait, that’s over here. Sorry, my bad.
Eliza, even if that is the case, again I say…some enterprising internet sleuth will find it out anyway and this would be all for naught. A complete waste of time. All this is doing is tainting the image they have of passing as a ‘justice’ system.
Besides, they knew once the contract was labelled ‘subjugating’, the gig was up. Everyone knew SM had lost. Delaying paying the guys only makes all these ‘decision makers’ look like a bunch of wussies. How does one hold you in high esteem once that label is tagged on you?
Well, I want you to open and enjoy that champagne as soon as possible!
And I get your point that SM’s actions are as much cautionary measures of further clamping down on all of their other highly successful artists lest they too get the idea of leaving, suing and asking for THEIR rightful share of artist’s royalties. SM needs to make it look as awful and as hopeless as possible for as long as possible.
My happy daydream for today involved Homin gathering their courage and walking into the president’s office and saying “Settle the lawsuit now, end the boycott, let JYJ go without further harassment or WE’RE leaving too.” Wouldn’t that be spectacular? And no, I’m not going to hold my breath….
THIS IS REALLY MAKE ME SICK!!!!!!!!
to be honest i am not surprise at all of this kind news…i guess i already used this situation now……i am not gonna yelled or shout about those worthless people because i won’t used my worthy time and life to think about those bunch corrupt and heartless people, I already said this many times and i never gonna stop to said it though. I am really proud to our boys and these long journey really hard yet so full with a precious moment.
Like i said before, i am gonna support and observe every project that our boys done only and I am gonna take a positive mind of this matter, i guess God still wanna give our boys time for grown up and explore every aspect in their life, keep their heart, mind and soul on their humble way, appreciate every thing that they have, learn more about life, and I love it.
No matter what those useless people gonna do for bring our boys down, i believe these boys gonna through it like before ( same goes with us). Let’s wait and see how these boys grown up more and what they are gonna be in the future shall we ?.
Beside no matter how those people wanna tried to cover up the justice and truth with a dirty way, it’s never work completely. Those truth and justice only gonna be shining more than before, when the time come, those darkness gonna disappeared and no one can stop it. i believed that our boys gonna be more shining than before despite whatever that those people done to them. I never lose my faith for the boys and no matter how long the journey, i am gonna still tried my best for stand and support the boys
For those people who always stand beside our boys, help them and care also love them like us (their fans) thank u for the everything that u done and let’s created more and more happiness together shall we ? ^^
JYJ fighting !!!!JYJ families fighting !!!!! love u all 😀
hmm…..am i over positive minded for this matter ?
P.S : @Mr Egg, @Hayato-san if u lurked this site, please send this message to the boys (bow)
It’s so sad that there’s another delay. I’m still on my knees praying for a sweet satisfying decision in favor of JYJ David against SM Goliath. It’s such a super grave injustice against the JYJ guys but God is still on His throne all will be well in the end. Perhaps we should donate an abacus to be delivered in the sala of the judge where the case is being deliberated to help them calculate faster. Perhaps, SM is waiting for God to send 10 plagues for them to finally end the case. Well please allow me to sing… ” Our day will come and we’ll have everything, No tears for us make love and wear a smile.” I’m just being very patient but still full of love and support for JYJ. Love, peace and Cheers.
just don’t give up, don’t give in and fight till the end.
blah..blah..blah..I’m really tired and sick of this game..really pissed me off!
Just hope that our boys will fight till the end..pity our boys…
JYJ Fighting!!!What else can I do?
I wish I can do something for them..
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again???? like how many timessss alreaaaaaaaaadddddddddddddyyy ????!!!!!!!!!!
Unbelievable! Stay strong JYJ, you have many people behind you
This is going to take forever.. . if you boys are reading this Jaejoong, Yoochun and Junsu… whatever it is..we, your fans will always stay by your side and support you…!
THIS IS PURE BULL. Their judicial system is a joke! Grow some balls will ya? Getting dragged around by the nose by an entertainment company? GROW A BACKBONE. I am pissed off with SM, but I am even madder at the district court for letting SM run the show for 2 years! When will this stop? Does justice even have meaning anymore? I hope this piece of news spreads worldwide so that the world will know how much of a joke the system is. They should know that they are an embarrassment to their country. Such a shame, really.
“HIS IS PURE BULL. Their judicial system is a joke! Grow some balls will ya? Getting dragged around by the nose by an entertainment company?”
I just sent a summary of the case to CNN as a story idea. I hope they pick up on it. I really encourage each of the posters here to send someone a letter today, whether it’s the Ministry Of Culture, The Blue House or CNN. Let them know how you feel about this! Please also post a protest on Facebook and Twitter!
Thanks for the idea! My friend and I are crafting a great story to send to CNN. Do you know how the Korean fans reacted to this? Did they also have petitions/protests?
“Thanks for the idea! My friend and I are crafting a great story to send to CNN.”
Wow! That’s fantastic. We really are going to have to rouse the fans and make some noise, but I think we can do it. I’ve also been posting very short little blurbs on Facebook on any page that features K-Pop, and there are quite a few of them. But there again, the more “Likes” and comments we get the better, so people familiar with Facebook, please take note. Pretty much any page with “Korea” in the title is going to feature K-Pop, some more than others. But that tells you that the Hallyu Wave is a VERY important component in SK’s will to promote itself and its economy. That means that if enough of us start agitating publicly, it may prove embarrassing enough for them to actually DO something back home.
try to send the CNN Freedom Project a letter or the CNN producer about the injustice ban XIA and JYJ recieve how they make MVs and produce music but are banned because of SME dictatorship over local brodcast and talk about the lacking justice system etc all the bullying the boys recieved the slave contract the lawsuit the ban ect. This is a case for a documentary.
do try contact the CNN Freedom Project. Not asian report nor entertainment report JYJ and XIA case is serious. if someone knows how to directly contact the CNN Freedom Project do give the link.
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Looking at the photo on top, that is from 2010. The lawsuit had already been going for a long time. But look how young they look. It has been 3 years already since the lawsuit was filed. Are we going to see them as 40 year olds and still have the delay in reaching a decision? For them it is so pitiful. But I will still be supporting them, no matter what.