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JYJ3 
Have you guys sent letters to any of the media outlets that was listed in last weeks post? Are we doing a mass letter writing champaign? The ideas that was mentioned last week were excellent IMO. Would like to participate, contact me I’m on Twitter let me know. I am ready to show mass support for JYJ
You can contact
peridotmm@yahoo.com
anyone who wants to join and contribute their skills ” website set up, donation set up expertize,information collection on European JYJ fansites ” if you are keen willing to help join and we will discuss.
Thank you.
@Cincinn
Hi. I’ve sent off emails to various media outlets, esp some in Australia (where I live) to TV shows that deal specifically with international current affairs. Hopefully we’ll be able to draw international media attention to the dark underbelly of the Hallyu Wave, & get JYJ lots of positive media attention in the process. 🙂
@Sapphire
Fantastic. Thanks so much Sapphire! The international fans’ voices WILL be heard. And we won’t take “no” for an answer either.
🙂
Hi I was wondering if someone could please give me a quick recap of what you guys are planning? I haven’t had a chance to go back and thoroughly read the last ODP.
Is it basically just to contact large media outlets around the world about JYJ’s situation? Is the plan to focus on just the court issues, or the Hallyu Wave, or…?
Is there a site or official announcement about this project where I can get more info and get involved? ^^
Thanks~
@ellyellyelephant
Hi Elly, Yes, it’s a campaign to connect with as many fans as possible and send letters/emails to various international news outlets with a plan to get media attention focused on the banning of JYJ in SK and Japan. We hope to break the blacklisting by increasing public awareness. For more info, everyone is invited to email me at lilibaiyu@aol.com.
🙂
Thank you! I will pop you an email^^
so .. JYJ are really busy this year. TONY MOLY is giving huge thing to JYJ .. thats advertising… fan meets/promotions in asian countries … yeeehhh I am totally liking it 😀 …. Looks like this whole year they are gonna have solo activities .. Yoochun mentioned there may be a drama at end of the year / Junsu also mentioned that he want to take drama/Jaejoong “Jackal” promotion and Fanmeets ..(but totally hoping for some surprises like the “Nice Guy ost” … ready for others too)….TBH as a FAN I love to see them together but again as a FAN there happiness brings me happiness and on what circumstances they are on and what they are doing as solo or group or anything they have my full support ….
and >>> question time 😀
When is Avex contract with JYJ gonna be over? I know its next year but exactly when? its end of the year or middle or starting?
SO after JYJ’s contract with avex finishes the Hiatus also ends coz they are no longer with contract with avex ..right ?
i think even if the contract with avex finishes that won’t stop avex from getting in JYJ’s way in japan i dunno but i think it’ll be difficult since Avex is so powerful in japan just like SM controls Korean media etc.. but i’m still hoping they won’t do that i just feel so bad for the Japanese fans who are suffering if they want to see JYJ they have to travel all the way to korea and that is unfair for both the fans and JYJ members!!
im starting to get annoyed with some of those OT5s. They are going around turning Jaejoong’s latest innocent twit pics with the plush toys to a sign that hes supporting HoMin’s comeback or that he wants to be part of it! Seriously how can they be this delusional after all that has happened! i even heard that some of them have tweeted him about it!
i really don’t want him to get off twitter but honest to God, i won’t be surprised if that ends up happening with all these idiotic tweets getting thrown his way!
srry for the rant. its just that i cant help but feel nervous about jaejoong leaving twitter after he unfollowed most of his closest friends.
@Valereee
I know. It’s troubling. And I always have to laugh when they say they’re not delusional. They are the definition of delusional.
LOL! I wonder how they’ll react when they realize that Yoochun’s photographer just revealed that the whole thing is a shot for NII. They are so pathetic; delusional is too kind of a word. Also notice how some of them conveniently ignore things that contradict their “wishes”. Remember the last photo shoot they had with the bunny/dog ears sitting on sheep and pigs? How come they didn’t talk about that? Cause they don’t give a shit about JYJ’s activities unless they can do their dumb “connect the dots in cray cray’s head” game. They also ignored the extra dog and 2 cats cause it didn’t fit neatly into their delusions that Jaejoong was promoting Homin’s latest album.
By the way, why would Jaejoong need to promote anything for them, last time I checked the SME machine has not run out of steam.
@retrokim
“By the way, why would Jaejoong need to promote anything for them, last time I checked the SME machine has not run out of steam.”
Too true, everything you said. And last time *I* checked, SM was trying every low-down trick in the book to destroy Jaejoong and his members; to prevent them from having a career. Has *anyone* anywhere heard any rumors about Homin storming into the president of SM’s office and demanding, “You MUST stop this! These were our brothers and what you are doing is WRONG! We don’t want to “win” this way!!”
No?? No one’s heard a thing??
Huh. Neither have I.
“Homin storming into the president of SM’s office and demanding, “You MUST stop this! These were our brothers and what you are doing is WRONG! We don’t want to “win” this way!!””
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha that was just too funny… *imagined it totally theatrically*
@makiforjyj
“Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha that was just too funny… *imagined it totally theatrically*”
It’s inescapable for me to begin to think that Homin *DO* want to compete this way, on a playing field their boss has fatally rigged before the game. What has been happening to JYJ for the last 3 years is really detestable and indefensible. The fact that Homin hasn’t said one word in disapproval of what has been going on… at this late date there’s no excuse. Anybody who still buys the “but they CAN’T speak out! They’ll be punished!” argument… what do they think has been happening to JYJ for the last 3 years!!?? Picnics in a field of daisies?? THEIR employer has been torturing their former members every way they know how. Homin have been perfectly silent on the subject. Really now: do people still HONESTLY think that these 5 people are still brothers who can’t wait to get back together??
@lilibaiyu
Oh, believe me, I am 100% with you, I wrote it in another post before…for me it was totally fine that HoMin stayed with SM, I thought if they want it this way, then fine, it’s ok. But after three years of horror for our three beloved ones…a true friend, a brother, would never ever let anyone do this to his brother/s….and I’m thinking once in awhile “Y really wanted to become a prosecutor? Seriously”, pffff.
Sigh…I understand how you feel. Just remind yourself that, no matter what they say or do, nothing is going to bring into reality in their stupidest mind.
Agreed… and after I’ve read in an interview who CM’s role model is… well, you probably can imagin’ what I thought, felt, my facial expression was….truly shocked.
@makiforjyj
Who did CM name as his role model?
@Sapphire
He named LSM as his role model >:|
@ellyelephant
Thanks. I had a horrible feeling that was who he named, but I was hoping otherwise. So, CM has publicly named the man who is doing his best to destroy JYJ as his role model, & yet some OT5’s are still holding out for a re-union???? If anyone wants to know what CM thinks of SM blocking JYJ, he’s just made it clear – he supports SM & thus everything SM is doing to JYJ.
@ellyellyelephant
Thanks for replying ^^
@Sapphire
Exactly this………
@Sapphire
“. So, CM has publicly named the man who is doing his best to destroy JYJ as his role model, & yet some OT5′s are still holding out for a re-union???? ”
Hard to believe, isn’t it? But that’s why I really think that there had to be some type of brainwashing at work here. The last remnants of die-hard OT5s don’t and won’t hear what they don’t want to know, don’t see what is right before their eyes if it clashes with what they want. And they get instantly really really angry when you tell them that these things are just not going to happen. It’s kind of scary, actually. When you try to reason with them, all the catch-phrases and Officially Sanctioned Excuses come spilling out of them in rapid succession. That’s when I know: time to give up – no point in going on with any more discussion.
Well… now it’s not only CM…
Anyway…….. I went to a OT5 page to see what you guys are talking about, well… after 5 minutes I was so stressed that I didn’t want to read anything anymore… oh my…
hmmm I think I misunderstood your post o_Ô I’m sorry… ignore my answer (^_^)v
It’s ok, hahaha~~
@Valereee
i understand how u are feeling since sometimes i also felt like that too…….
‘Don’t waste your time with explanations: people only hear what they want to hear. —Paulo Coelho’
At this stage of the game, trying to deal with that segment of the OT5s is a waste of time and good energy. There simply are people in this world for whom the reality they want is not the reality of the rest of the world. No amount of reasoning, cajoling, arguing, or whatever, is going to change that.
The one thing I subcribe to in thinking about them, something my mother mentioned a lot…Experience is the best teacher. When it doesn’t happen the way they want it to, no matter how much they try and pull it together in their minds, that’s when it will sink in. By that time though, ALL parties involved will have moved on.
Well, those people are notorious for twisting all the facts to suit their own imagination and desire. Normally they don’t care much about JYJ’s activities and seem to love spazzing about the other side more, but when they catch steam of something that they can use to suit their intention, suddenly they go all out to pester JYJ, and unfortunately Jaejoong is the victim most of the time. I don’t even know how they can deduce Jae’s twit pics into a “supporting Homin’s comeback” campaign. If they’re so pressed about that, does it ever cross their mind that perhaps Jae was mocking those hideous teasers instead? Besides, I’m rather pissed off that OT5s always bring TVXQ stuff and shout inappropriate things to/at JYJ’s concerts or FMs. Now that HoMin are coming back, I’ll wait to see if they will also bring JYJ stuff to Homin’s concerts and chant JYJ’s names because do not JYJ also belong to TVXQ according to them? Or they’re just a bunch of hypocrites who love to disrespect and bother JYJ only.
” I’ll wait to see if they will also bring JYJ stuff to Homin’s concerts and chant JYJ’s names because do not JYJ also belong to TVXQ according to them?”
Same with me..
Last saturday, There is S*Town in my country. I’m curious and want see some fans bring JYJ name or banner at S*Town where there are HOMIN.
I think.. if they consistent support 5 member, they should bring JYJ stuff and TVXQ stuff ini both concert (Homin concert and JYJ member concert).
I discuss about it with my friend who support 5 member. Why they do it? The answer “JYJ banner in HOMIN concert.. it will not happen.
Because JYJ from TVXQ, so they bring tahat stuff in JYJ concert. TVXQ not from JYJ so they dont bring in HOMIN concert ”
#speechless
Typo –> that stuff
“JYJ banner in HOMIN concert.. it will not happen.
Because JYJ from TVXQ, so they bring that stuff in JYJ concert. TVXQ not from JYJ so they dont bring in HOMIN concert ”
what a weird logic
LOL!!!!! I just can’t take them seriously. Well I’m sure Homin must be happy which is of course the #1 priority for those kinds of “fans”.
@Salsabila (@phuxiaheart) @astrid
weird logic for a weird people…….they always bark that they are gonna support the 5 of them and keep calling the others name group during our boys events just because our boys is part of DBSK oh no….i should say EX-MEMBER but they doesn’t want to shout our boys name group on the other sides…..err….because what ? JYJ different name from DBSK? and for those it’s doesn’t matter……? wow…..they are truly bunch of hypocrites peoples. It seem like they are still can’t let go the fact that our boys already moving on from long time ago, and it’s like they doesn’t want to believe that DB5K history already over and now it is only DBSK as duo and JYJ. .
One problem with gazing too frequently into the past is that we may turn around to find the future has run out on us. ~Michael Cibenko
The past is never there when you try to go back. It exists, but only in memory. To pretend otherwise is to invite a mess. ~Chris Cobbs
The past is a guidepost, not a hitching post. ~L. Thomas Holdcroft
@miaw
Dear miaw – hello, I hope you are well. I always so appreciate your comments on the list. 🙂 We have to remember that many OT5s who are remnants of the SM years of the fanclub underwent a kind of brainwashing, for all intents of purposes. Over the years, they had certain phrases and concepts drilled into their heads by the fandom and even now, all they can do is parrot these things back over and over. Even as it has become so so obvious that there will be no going back for JYJ ever, there will be no reunion unless it is far in the distant future once what SM has done to the members of JYJ is little more than a distant memory and they are ready to forgive… even as all of their catch-phrases have been shown again and again to be tattered bits of falsehoods falling down from the walls, showing reality at last… still some persist. It is sad. It bodes very ill for their future lives, frankly. Not being able to let go of the obviously impossible and move on is generally speaking a sign of a troubling rigidity of personality and willful blindness that is host to a whole range of future dysfunction and difficulties in life.
@lili
yeah you right….it’s sad indeed…..and SM and AVEX really knew very well about this kind of fans so it’s so easy for them to used this kind fans for gather their profit. When the case almost get in the end or if their situation in a risk part, they always spread the rumor about the reunion like always happen in Japan so they can keep those fans in their hands ….’sigh’
Thanks God i already pass from those kind phase since the beginning of i learn about the truth of the case and after see, and read the statement that come out from those two people mouth so there are no longer hesitation for took a new step to the new day together with JYJ 😀
@Angie
September 24, 2012 Reply
“Well, those people are notorious for twisting all the facts to suit their own imagination and desire. Normally they don’t care much about JYJ’s activities and seem to love spazzing about the other side more, but when they catch steam of something that they can use to suit their intention, suddenly they go all out to pester JYJ, and unfortunately Jaejoong is the victim most of the time. I don’t even know how they can deduce Jae’s twit pics into a “supporting Homin’s comeback” campaign. If they’re so pressed about that, does it ever cross their mind that perhaps Jae was mocking those hideous teasers instead? Besides, I’m rather pissed off that OT5s always bring TVXQ stuff and shout inappropriate things to/at JYJ’s concerts or FMs. Now that HoMin are coming back, I’ll wait to see if they will also bring JYJ stuff to Homin’s concerts and chant JYJ’s names because do not JYJ also belong to TVXQ according to them? Or they’re just a bunch of hypocrites who love to disrespect and bother JYJ only.”
I don’t get the feeling that TVXQ5 fans spazz more on TVXQ activities than JYJ’s.I think most TVXQ5 fans are just excited about TVXQ’s comeback in Korea and most really don’t mean any harm by it…it’s just what’s happening now if JYJ was releasing something new…guarantee they would be just as supportive and excited. I don’t think Jaejoong was making fun of TVXQ teaser pics or being supportive of their comeback..it would be a bit weird if he was just mocking pics of people..I assume hasn’t had any contact with in over three years..out of the blue. Given that I don’t think Jaejoong would do something like that and I think he is a bit more mature than people give him credit for.I think for some fans it could certainly appear that way… that he was mocking the group.. but than you have to take into account that he is always playing with toys and taking pictures of them.. plus he was on a shoot that probably incorporated those toys…so it more than likely was a coincidence.
I agree, with you that fans shouldn’t shout Yunho or Max names, or bring TVXQ5 related material to JYJ’s fanmeets and vice versa..they should support them as they are. Jaejoong is more vocal about the split than any of the members..I’m guessing thats why TVXQ5 fans tend to bother him more..because he is the only one that may respond to any questions related to the break up..but it is unfortunate that sometimes his tweets are manipulated to suit a purpose..
Fans need to allow him to be his own person if he wants to play on twitter..they shouldn’t think too much into it..he no longers I’m assuming has contact with Yunho and Max so there would be no reason for every tweet he makes to be related to them. They shouldn’t manipulate his tweets, or insert Yunho or Max into personal photos he wanted to share with his fans..its a certain amount of respect that they don’t give him…even though they say that their his fans. I think until he says something more direct like he did before that he misses Yunho and Max…than they should spazz about it..but not misconstrue or manipulate everything he does on twitter..
@daisy
You have your feeling, and I have my observation, so it’s really unnecessary for you to try to prove me wrong on that. I didn’t make my conclusion solely based on this period of TV2XQ’s comeback. By the way, I said “If they’re so pressed about that (Jae’s twit pics)…,” then it may as well be a probability. No one knows what goes on in his mind. We all make assumptions only. As a Jae-biased, I’m pretty sure I know that he’s nice and kind, and can be such a little boy at heart sometimes. But if those people keep twisting everything he does to suit what they want, I don’t mind throwing them a harsh possibility.
I think you’re an OT5 yourself? It’s good that you have these rational thoughts. It’ll be even better if you can take what you said here and educate some delusional fans who still refuse to accept reality.
Ok, so have you talked to those OT5?
i don’t know if you had discussed it before.
anyone know that SME is merge with AM Entertainment? FYI, AM Entertainment is artist agency like C-Jes. there’s lot of known actor/actress there : Jang Dong Gun, Kim Ha Neul, Han Ji Min, Hyun Bin, Shin Min Ah, and others. maybe i’m kinda scare or what, but seeing they merger each other, i’m scare this is gonna be another way of SME to block our boys appearance on TV production. we all know that only from drama that we can see our boys appearance on TV. but now with this merger thing, no one know what will SM do in the future 😦
i’m praying best and good things for our boys
don’t worry my dear @astrid
everything gonna be okay. Drama world really different from music industry which so easily get manipulated with money. Even though SM merge with AM Entertainment, it doesn’t meant that SM can control everything like they did on music or reality show .Till now our boys already shown their talent in acting very well and they are gonna still grow than before beside i am sure when the time came there are gonna be an opened door for our boys to the another field.
just remind about this :
when our boys get banned on korea they flee to Japan. In here just let we said that it’s only as a prologue of our boys new story. During that time Yoochun and junsu also Jaejoong took their first step on acting world and it’s truly an important move for our boys Then when AVEX suspend their activities, our boys choose USA for their beginning spot. And from then everything started to changes. When the other people thought that our boys can’t survive and stand by their own feet without help from a big company, the boys proved it with their first international album, their first world tour with Jaejoong as Director stage for the Asia region world tour concert and before that jae got an supporting actor awards in Japan (please correct me if i am mistake,jae became the first Korean artist who get an award in japan that time) , Yoochun got many awards from his first drama, Junsu got recognize as musical prodigy and then our boys became the first group from Korea who released their album with 80 % of those album is created by themselves.
Korea ——>Japan——>USA———-> around the world
The event that i never can’t forget till now is about jeju island. A national project from SK government to promote Jeju as one part of 7 wonders of the world with our boys as their ambassador but then 4 days before a event for promote it, they got cancelled and the one who sing in there is an idols from SM. That time we as JYJ fans felt so angry but just several days from that incident our boys got appointed to be a Regional Goodwill Ambassadors for UNAIDS in the Asia-Pacific Region which more important, more large and more classy than Jeju .
Korea as national ambassador ———-> UNAIDS as a Regional Goodwill Ambassadors in the Asia-Pacific Region
Our boys became a rare group that really hard to get catch or see on TV except drama and CF but our boys also became a very classy group who get appointed many times by national and international foundation/institute. Beside many awards and achievement that our boys already get even though the situation is not good one So no matter what happen in the future even though an old door became to closed, there are must be another doors which bring more happiness and big then the first one.
Once again don’t worry to much about something negative that we can’t be sure gonna be happen yet, Just try to focus to the positive one
@miaw
you’re right sis, let’s not too much worry about it. but still that LSM guy is a person who had big influence in korea entertainment world. he’s like someone who can do anything and so powerful so i’m kinda anxious.
@astrid
it’s true that LSM is a person who had big influence in korea entertainment world and he also like someone who can do anything and so powerful. He can be have a million or trillion money and a big company, also have many connection but it’s not gonna be forever and so what if he is so big in SK…..it doesn’t mean that he already rule the world. The time when he lost everything that he have gonna be came for sure and trust me since he and his cronies used everything that they have to do a very bad thing then the consequences that they must faced up is more than enough to bring them down and maybe more worse than that also always remember he is only a human. he is not a GOD who have everything in this world. If GOD want, right now those every kind thing that LSM and SME have can be vanished with only a minute, it can be through nature disaster, get burn till became an ash, get caught by deception,etc.
i cant wait
netizens replies for jyj news: http://netizenbuzz.blogspot.com/2012/09/jyjs-latest-news-udpates.html
please thanks the translator as well~ and just ignore the troll~
now on to the discussion… i wonder why yoochun’s one got many negative votes. i guess they’re still not over his military service announcement back then?
yes, i think the same .. yoochun is made fun by k netizen.. not all but some … Yoochun have asthma and he stills smokes … so they think its not that serious to make him do public service rather than active soldier
and didn’t “officials” make that decision????
korean are really sensitive about these thing but they will be like that untill he enlists..
but hoping it will die soon … 😦
but i have to say that they have many supports look how he have many thumbs up…and positive comments is in top3.
If you look at other articles of bigbang or any other there are many haters.
wouldn’t have known about the whole issue if netizenbuzz was not there so I sometimes regret it while sometimes thankful for many info…and many int. haters , many anti-jyj are taking these military thing as a chance to bash him and i am happily answering to those stupid comments to make them shut up! hope others do the same. 😀 ..