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JYJ3 
Thanks for the translation & post…I’m so glad they didn’t give up
Ahhhh proud to be JYJ supporter…Tears falling…Love them even more.
my boys T__T i never regret standing by your side
I’m not a huge fan of the narration, I wish it had more direct quotes from each persons thoughts. It’s such a sensitive topic. Actually I wish the whole magazine was a compilation of essays from the members on the various topics, but I’d say that’s the height if my greed.
I cried when I read this 😦
I only found out about TVXQ, as 5, when JYJ debuted ,even so i became a fan of all 5 and still support them all. JYJ went through lot and I think it was right to leave when they were at the top.
JYJ the farmers…that is something Junsu repeated a few times already. That they were prepaired to leave the entertainment world completelly, rather then to give up and return to SME.
On a less serius note:
I´m just imagining the situation. A soaring hot summer day somewhere in a country. Junsu just in shorts and a loose top, planting some veggies on a field, lazy Chun dosing off under a tree with hardly any work done and clumsy Jae (topless, but with shades) on his knees, collecting boxes he just let all fall from his hands. Hihi. Could somebody write ff from this?
ahahahahahah I can totally imagine this :)))
thanks God they r not farmer, i cant imagine JaeChun work in field bcoz both of them reallly afraid with bug, spider, crocoach n both of them really hate hot weather.. I pity junsu, he will do all the task by himself n jaechun will troll him told him to do all the works since he is the magnae… Heheee.. Just my imagine tough 🙂
Gotta say, JYJ would be the sexiest farmers EvER!
If they had become farmers, I don’t think Junsu would have had to do all the work.
Let’s not forget that Jaejoong can cook, clean, chop firewood, and milk cows.
Yoochun can knit them all scarves, mittens and sweaters for those cold country nights 😉
That image will have to remain in my fevered fantasy because JYJ are in a great place right now in their lives.
Talk about a leap of faith! They were backed against a precipice and chose to jump to freedom. Their reward? They grew wings and soared.
@Jaechunsu fan 4eva
LOL I love the image of Chunnie sitting in a rocker knitting by the fire while Jae whips up something fabulous for dinner….
🙂
In tears from the article and now in tears from laughing at your comment- firewood, cows and knitting XXXXDDDD
I Can Soar …..
I think Chun has officially shown that he’s not a lazy person by his works.
My comment wanted just to bring a little smile because the thema of the article was too heavy for my liking. I just described the image I saw in my head the moment I was reading the thing about becoming (fail!)farmers. Relaxed Yooch lying on a grass, in a white tanktop (his collarbones visible) and with his favourite khaki cap, with an ipod and closed eyes, a little smirk and slightly swaying into the rythm of the music.There was no intentional hidden stab at Yoochun. I´m sorry if it sounded this way to somebody.
And I’m sure you didn’t mean to insult either. I’m just tired of hearing the word “lazy” used to “jokingly” refer to Chun. The guy works his a_s off non-stop ane loses tones of weight every time he does a drama. Yet still, the same word “lazy” is being used to describe him over and over again. I’m just tired of hearing it. Soon enough people will actually believe he’s a lazy artist despite whatever effort he puts out.
@loveunchanged
“I’m just tired of hearing the word “lazy” used to “jokingly” refer to Chun.”
Agreed. Although to be fair to ruber, it was the common perception, back awhile in the past. I never bought it either and now in hindsight what strikes me is that he may have been depressed and chronically exhausted because of it and for long periods of time. He may have felt hopeless about his situation and his ability to ever get free of it. He may have been helplessly angry and passive-aggressive about his situation and in a kind of near-constant slack-off mode as a form of silent protest.
Contrast that with Chunnie now: tirelessly the perfectionist, willing to do whatever it takes to make the work the best it can be. Totally committed to being a world class actor. Excited and energetic about his up-coming projects for this year. Thinking about A-List directors he wishes to work with and putting it out there that he wants to talk with them. Big big difference.
🙂
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First of all I’m debating weather to read the essay or not. In the pass whenever this kind of article posted, I always ended up sad and angry at the same time. It’s Saturday and I’m planning to have fun all day. Maybe I’ll read it Monday so I have the whole weeks of hating sment bitches. Now, excuse me while I’m spazzing over our boys cute, dorky, beautiful pictures…kekeke
@JAESOE
Yes, there is certainly plenty in the article to make one appalled and angry all over again. Being shunned and ostracized by everyone you know who used to be your friend must have been just awful. I wish and I hope they know that they had people pulling for them almost from the day they walked out. I’m still not ready to forgive those “friends” who silently watched them suffer and did nothing but cover their own butts.
Around them where were many ppl acted like im on your side amd trying to tear their friendship for within..i guess this could be one of the many ppl who bashed junsu last time…urgh!!! Thank god they werent swayed by that…jyj’s success now is based on their determination and courage…this 3 strong hearted mans…i respect you guys..
it all paid off..
Another reason why I Love JYJ their believe their power their ambition to let their dream come true surely make me proud. Dream much more important than money and fame. what the use to money and fame if your dream and yourself is gone. actually I not such of big fan of dbsk though and when I heard that the three left DBSK I say what are they kidding how came they betray their friend and company, but after I read all the article I start fall for this three and take back all the word I say about them and say good decision for you guys to leave the company. You guys heart and love make me fall for you guys that’s why know proudly say that I’m JYJ BIG FANS HE HE HE 🙂 🙂 🙂 THE POWER OF THREE JYJ
JYJ only want fairness! They work and work everyday, lose their freedom n all but received nothin in return, it just cruel! And then when they merely asked the rights that they should get, the company treat them like a kids n shoo them away! When they out from the company, they endured lots of pain like banned and bad rumour, people try to lure them apart with money but jyj choose to be a farmer instead rather than apart each others!!!
I love u guys a lot! May God bless u honey! Someday people will understand ur decision
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*sob* *sob* 😦 it was a painful decision to make but the boys, true to their principles, stick by it…and look where they are now! How they’ve grown into such mature men, able to express freely their own individuality in any field that they want to venture into.
keep on boys! keep on keeping on and we, your fans will be with you always… ｡◕‿◕｡
JYJ, you are my source of strength to be in this world and to deal with different people of this world. “Always keep the faith” is also now my motto in life. Thank you very much! I love you and will forever be your fan.
This reads like a drama….only it’s all real! I would say we know how it ends, but that would be doing JYJ a disservice; they are still going strong, taking flight and soaring<333
I bet this could be an interesting plot for a drama/movie to raise awareness about human rights but I guess someone won’t let it air…
O.M.G.S so speechless…
The burden that bugs me is nothing compare than theirs. Admirer their fighting spirit
They r truly my inspiration…
Thanks 4 so much the trans & share
JYJ l’ll always support u no matter what fighting!!!
“but compared to what the fans had to bear, the 3 members in focus had to endure even more”
I’M SO GLAD they included that. i am so sick of some fans acting like they suffered as much as jyj/tvxq did.
It came to my mind too lol
It’s so annoying to listen to their whining about reunited 5 2gether, etc, etc, etc
They need to get real life…
or my fav…”you promised always 5!”
this is not preschool lol.
@ghostitos
YES!!
So what happened to the cosmetic business ?
Yoochun´s mother closed her cosmetic shop 2 years ago I think, and opened the Time Out Gelato instead. The two stores run by Junsu´s mother and Jaejoong´s sister are still open I think. A typical small store with cosmetics, souvenirs, plusch toys etc. It can probably generate some profit, but it is nothing substantial. Honestly, I never understood why it was such a big deal. JYJ still landed the Tony Moly CF, so the SME excuse that their involvement was bad for potential cosmetic CF deals for TVXQ stands somehow on water. But whatever, that all lies in the past and is not important anymore.
No words can explain their pain. & no one can understand what have they gone through. Their idea may sound crazy to Korea entertainment world but these 3 boys in their 20s wanted to change the unfair culture, they want to live as humans, actually they r fighting for future of Korean entertainers. They are named as traitors but actually they are revolution leaders. May jaejoong, yoochun,junsu have the life they want & change that unfair culture. Hope others have gut to join them in their fight.
Now I really know the true of why they decided to leave their company even when they were on the peak of their career (they had popularity and know as the best group of asia in that moment) but they choose another path to follow I don’t have to rewrite the sentences that I read but only knowing “they sleep 2 hours per day” is enough to me to understand the decision that they have made.
And that they have be able to follow their dreams even when they know, it was going to be a very difficult path. so JAEJOONG YUCHUN JUNSU FIGHTING!! ❤
“It was extremely cold, the summer of that year.” – even without knowing reading everything, just with these words, it’s like i felt everything they went through.
Time will tell,it is so true with JYJ’s situation.3 years has passed,everything JYJ had done prouves to be right and true.All the romors died.They were treated like criminals at the beginning,because of breach of the contract,fans were crazy about TVXQ,we did not know their slavery lives behind the scenes.How can anybody be treated like when you work more,you lose more. I’m so glad to read JYJ’s story now,because everything they say was what I though what had happend.I’m so happy to be on their side.
many mixed feelings here…sadness, struggle,hardship…yet they are also an inspiration to all of us. it is up to us to protect them and maitain them as #1 on top of all the lists…support everything they do with respect loyalty and lots of love…keep the faith always
I was originally a fan of TVXQ. When they were five. I love listening to them sing. The three voices I loved the most were Jaejoong, Junsu, and Yoochun’s. When they parted ways with TVXQ, I wanted to follow them. The fansite I was with at the time, had some news but not as much as I wanted. I found JYJ3 and have been here ever since.
I was nervous about what would happen to them. When they formed JYJ I was extremely happy. I could still listen to them sing. I have watched all the dramas the Jaejoong and Yoochun have been in. I can’t wait until Jackel comes out in DVD (with subs) so I can buy it. I have all the CDs that they have put out. I wish I could have seen Junsu in his musicals.
They were not alone during this period. Their fans were with them. Cheering them on. Standing with them, even if it was in spirit only. Your fans love you more they you may ever know. We will always love you and wish you happiness and success in everything you do.
I thought that in reading that they had no one who was on their side in remembering how hard fans fought for them, with subway ads, petitions, so many e-mails and letters, voting a zillion times…. But really fans don’t have the power that just one TV executive has with courage to take a stand. In that sense, they were really alone in the entertainment world. If fans had real power, JYJ would have been on TV already.
I’ve said it many times and I will say it again. The secret to JYJ getting on music programs is when JYJ and/or C-JeS have more popularity than SM artists have. The balance of power has to shift. That’s why I always support C-JeS. They have to get bigger and more influential.
im speechless… JYJ fighting! 😥
i’m happy they never gave up…thats why we can’t give up on then either. we have make them feel that they are not alone in this battle by protecting them and supporting everything they do. these big companies that have not even paid what they owe them and abused them should not get away with what they did.the fans have the power to help as much as they can.when i see the beautiful things fans do for them i feel happy and proud…
I don’t know yet
Am I happy or not?cuz I’m just losing control on myself
I wanna so bad TVFXQ back together as five members not TV2XQ n JYJ
the whole thing is killing me
and now I support both of them but JYJ more than TV2XQ cuz I wanna know why why they don’t follow JYJ?what happened between them?why they don’t contact anymore?why TV2XQ couldn’t talk about JYJ in their TV show?
many n many question in my mind n as usual I couldn’t find the answer? I wonder why?
can someone tell me what happened?I know the whole thing the law-suite between JYJ N SM
but TV2XQ N JYJ still friends or not?
can they back together AS 5 members in the future?
i agree with you i do miss the 5 members together and have the same doubts on if they see each other, but i do knw they support jyj because have posted pictures of yubho and chanmin holding jaejoongs solo album, whi thought. was so cool
lol, pls. don’t be fooled by photoshopped pics posted in the internet, how can you believe that?
That’s the problem of some people, it’s not wrong to have fantasy at times but if they resort to misleading other people, feeding them made-up stories and pse’d images to feed their fantasy and shove it to other people’s face to be real , then that’s something insane.
Photoshop pics and they are not friends, it is over, so do move on, thanks!
@Angel Jay
The whole thing killed a lot of people at the time,5 of them decided to leave SM together,but HM backed out at last minute for what ever the reason and JYJ stood and fight for what is more important to them: happiness , freedom and be in control of their own life.HM went on the TV and bad mouthed JYJ,JYJ held their last concert in Tokyo Dome sang a heart felt “W”.These are the attitudes of 2 parted groups.
@Angel Jae
No, they will not get back together. Homin made their choice clearly in 2009. They decided they did not want to risk anything they had for a chance at something better. I feel sure that the management at SM was sweet-talking them and telling them they would be rewarded for their continued “loyalty.” Likewise, I’m sure they threatened Homin that if they left they would never work again. That said, at the last minute they abandoned JYJ and made their walk out the door 1000 times harder. There’s no question about that. If the five had remained strong and together, SM would have looked like the villains they are and they would have seen the entire Cassie fandom instantly depart with the five members. The hit to their bottom line would have been near catastrophic.
So no. They are no longer friends. JYJ has taken the heat, walked the walk over the last three incredibly hard years and found complete artistic freedom. They have also found wealth past anything they dreamed of. Today, they have everything they dared not even dream of when they walked out the door. Homin is still toeing the line at SM. If my intuition holds for one more prediction I would imagine that they are bitter as hell. If they’d had the balls to man up, trust their brothers and leave with them, they’d be out too and with the entire Cassie fandom backing them.
@ lilibaiyu
I totally agree with you. ” No they will not get back together”
HM just pretended they blind and didn’t say anything when they saw JYJ suffered and they changed their mind in the last minute (At first they agreed to got out from SM together) No more friend, that all over, three and half year are enough.
@Lilibaiyu
I think both groups feel like they were betrayed by one another. I think when people place the blame for the break up on Changmin and Yunho, they forget to take into account the personal dynamics of their situation. Yunho’s family was poor, he was homeless at one point and he was taking care of his entire family. I think that was one of the reasons why he stayed at SM. I think Changmin felt a little bit more comfortable pursuing his career with SM and Yunho and whatever other reasons. I think they followed their own path, just like JYJ did, and I think both groups paths should be respected at least. I also think its unfair when people place the blame on JYJ too. I think it would be such a sad thing if TVXQ was just forgotten and everything ended in 2009 (even though technically it did..the other two are stlll active underneath that name).
Even though the entire group is not active anymore, it is still good to see that newer and younger fans through the current TVXQ and JYJ find out about the past TVXQ and they can appreciate it. Although sadly, there are TVXQ fans who don’t care to listen to anything that has JYJ in it and than their are some TVXQ5 fans who criticize everything Yunho and Max have done musically. Its impossible for them to reproduce a sound without the other members and its seem they don’t understand that. I agree that we all have past relationships, that we have grown out of but I think group dynamics maybe different.
I think for a lot of groups that break up..there is a lot of hurt there, jealously, anger even long after the groups have been broken up…I think it was especially hurtful for Jaejoong and I’m glad he isn’t in that depressive state anymore. However, I still think he wishes he could mend things with the other two and I hope like other fans that all five relationships can be mended one day…even though it has been four years.
I think his latest album was very cathartic for him and he just let go a lot of things maybe Yunho and Max too. Lilibaiyu, I don’t think money at this point would even matter to JYJ because they are already rich and if they could work again with the other two within their own respective agencies they would more than likely…but who knows really? Changmin probably would not participate, Yunho would participate, Junsu said it would be difficult to work with them again, Jaejoong and Yoochun would probably participate…its quite possible I guess.. Backstreet Boys, NKOTB, New Edition including Bobby Brown are still performing as a group and their like well into their forties.
i still miss the 5 of them together and i think the company carries all the fault when it comes to their separation. they were close(dbsk)like a family i truely dislike this company for what they have done and will always blame them for hurting the group and the hurt they still continue to do to jyj. the only thing we can do is support them show them our love and protect at all cost…fighting till the end
@Daisy
Daisy you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but might I suggest the discord about the two factions is not about blaming the other side for the breakup. When Yunho and Changmin opened up their mouths the only things they could say were disparaging remarks about Jaejoon, Yoochun, and Junsu. At no time did any of these three EVER denigrate those two. Junsu’s comment on Twitter doesn’t count. He didn’t call Yunho any names. That was an emotional reaction that got blown out of purportion.
The three of them tried in so many ways to reach out and say how much they still loved and missed HoMin….at MAMA, with “W”, and “Fallen Leaves”. When Jaejoong tried to reach out, all he got in return was a huge denial in the form of a big fat lie. I pesonally don’t think Yoochun gives a tinker’s damn anymore. I think all three have moved on, and understand the past is the past. No one should be expecting anything more at this point.
SM engaged in an all out assault on the character of the members of JYJ and their families, and HoMin and family went right along with it. And I do understand for those who exist in a plantation environment, it is extremely hard to have a voice of your own. But once you utter those words, they are out there for the world to see and hear. For those of you are OT5, you carry on your hope. I personally suggest you don’t hold your breath waiting for this to happen. Yes, never say never, but the probability is highly unlikely.
And the examples you cite regarding those American boy groups. They did not break up under the same conditions, so the comparisons are not exactly fair. The atmosphere in the American music industry is not as toxic as it is in SK.
People react to stimuli. The stimuli in the entire scenario has been snake poison spit out by LSM/SME from day one. The smell has been nothing but putrid. Environmental disasters don’t clean up overnight.
@butterfliesarefree2
was W really a message to homin? i thought the song was given to them – was it because they chose to sing it?
lol yoochun does what yoochun wants. i agree he is pretty much done with tvxq.
@Daisy
Ah, Daisy. How nice to hear from you again. I should have known that this series of articles would once again find you springing to the defense of the contrarian view. 🙂
You said:
**I think both groups feel like they were betrayed by one another. I think when people place the blame for the break up on Changmin and Yunho, they forget to take into account the personal dynamics of their situation. Yunho’s family was poor, he was homeless at one point and he was taking care of his entire family. I think that was one of the reasons why he stayed at SM. I think Changmin felt a little bit more comfortable pursuing his career with SM and Yunho and whatever other reasons. I think they followed their own path, just like JYJ did, and I think both groups paths should be respected at least. I also think its unfair when people place the blame on JYJ too. I think it would be such a sad thing if TVXQ was just forgotten and everything ended in 2009 (even though technically it did..the other two are stlll active underneath that name).**
As to the “personal dynamics” of the situation at the time of the breakup, no, I have not failed to take them into account. The five had discussed leaving at length and decided to go as a group. At the last moment, Homin balked. Which “personal dynamics” did you have in mind? The decision to leave was not reached overnight. They went through a series of painful negotiations with SM that ended badly. They all knew what was happening at various points. Forgive me if I do not wish to discuss Yunho’s poor upbringing another time. This young man’s lineage has teetered wildly between his father being a highly educated lawyer to his mom supporting the family working in a factory, just depending, I guess on what suited the argument of the moment.
But I will certainly agree with you that Homin followed their own path and I hope that you can see that by doing so they considerably complicated JYJ’s harrowing trajectory out of SM. As you and I have discussed on various occasions in the past I personally do not feel that I “should” respect persons behavior out of hand for…for what reason, exactly? What was intrinsically respectable about Homin’s actions at the time of the break-up and what we now see was the end of the group and thereafter? If they had behaved honorably, then of course, yes. If not, then I’m sorry, no.
Actually, I’m pretty done talking about Homin on a blow-by-blow basis. We’ve all done lots of it and what’s the point of it now? We found out that the group had been irretrievably broken apart since 2009. Now personally, I feel it’s a travesty for them to continue to use the name TVXQ and for SM to promote them as the group that had all of those hit records and the stellar careers that the five had. That is just shocking and wrong, all nostalgia for the good old days to the contrary. Each and every one of them said at one time or another “TVXQ is the five of us or nothing.” That is what I respect. As far as I’m concerned Homin is ruining the legacy of the original group, a far cry from “keeping it alive” because they are not THAT GROUP OF FIVE MEMBERS – not even close. And yet they are being actively promoted everywhere as if they are.
I cannot think how you can say you think “it’s good to see” Homin claiming all credit for the legacy of the group TVXQ/DBSK. I just hope you are never engaged in any creative pursuit where you put in 8 years of yourself, your ideas and your intellectual property and then you leave and your boss claims ownership and your former colleagues claim sole credit for your hard work. It hurts – for this to happen it literally hurts, it is maddening, in fact. My heart hurts for the members of JYJ, that this happened to them and that they are continually reminded that it is still happening. This is no small thing. This is a major, awful thing for these three young men to bear. Each have alluded to it in their own way. This is not a hurt that blows over and is gone quickly. This is a scar deep in the creative hearts of Junsu, Jaejoong and Yuchun.
You said:
**Even though the entire group is not active anymore, it is still good to see that newer and younger fans through the current TVXQ and JYJ find out about the past TVXQ and they can appreciate it. Although sadly, there are TVXQ fans who don’t care to listen to anything that has JYJ in it and than their are some TVXQ5 fans who criticize everything Yunho and Max have done musically. Its impossible for them to reproduce a sound without the other members and its seem they don’t understand that. I agree that we all have past relationships, that we have grown out of but I think group dynamics maybe different.**
And why would you think that “group dynamics” are different? Such an idea seems to suit your argument but in fact, there is no difference. People are people, these are not romantic action figures that can be moved about and posed becomingly in one’s inner landscape. What would be “nice to think about” has no bearing here.
You said:
**I think for a lot of groups that break up..there is a lot of hurt there, jealously, anger even long after the groups have been broken up…I think it was especially hurtful for Jaejoong and I’m glad he isn’t in that depressive state anymore. However, I still think he wishes he could mend things with the other two and I hope like other fans that all five relationships can be mended one day…even though it has been four years.**
I certainly know you wish for this to happen. My understanding of the article above is that we have a clearer picture now of why that has not happened and beyond that…then I guess it gets into what one personally needs to believe. I don’t have any need for them to be friends again. This is not really my business anyway. My focus for them tends to be in hoping for continued growth and satisfaction in their creative endeavors and of course in their growing fame. I also wish for them to be allowed back on TV in S. Korea because it seems to be what they want for themselves. I want them to have years of continued success and I want them to have good friends who they can depend on.
You said:
**I think his latest album was very cathartic for him and he just let go a lot of things maybe Yunho and Max too. Lilibaiyu, I don’t think money at this point would even matter to JYJ because they are already rich and if they could work again with the other two within their own respective agencies they would more than likely…but who knows really? Changmin probably would not participate, Yunho would participate, Junsu said it would be difficult to work with them again, Jaejoong and Yoochun would probably participate…its quite possible I guess.. Backstreet Boys, NKOTB, New Edition including Bobby Brown are still performing as a group and their like well into their forties..**
Do you seriously believe there’s a snowball’s chance in hell of SM allowing Homin to work with JYJ again?? I don’t. I mean ZERO possibility. SM has spent the last 3 years trying to erase JYJ’s existence from the minds of the public. You think they’re going to co-sponsor a Lovefest Reunion for the real, the genuine TVXQ? I don’t even think Homin would want it now. Why show their current fans why they should NEVER be calling themselves TVXQ? Why show them what the real thing looks like and then take it away again? “Quite possible??” I don’t think so.
Finally, I really think it’s naïve to compare the experience of the five members of TVXQ with any American groups. The SM Entertainment factor changes everything. This is an evil company and they have perpetrated a great crime against JYJ. There is much in the members’ past that is beyond forgiving. No American group has ever seen its like nor have they been kept in virtual servitude for 8 years only to walk away with nothing to their names and then undergo three and a half years of hellish blacklisting and defamation. And here’s a little secret about those “reunions” that groups in the U.S. tend to have from time to time: it’s because they’ve run out of money and the venerable institution of the “reunion tour” is a dandy way to refill coffers. Some groups’ members are in such a perpetual state of near bankruptcy that they continue to tour together while absolutely hating each other! It’s always a mistake to judge what goes on in the music business by what it looks like on the outside of things. The assumptions you make and the conclusions you draw are usually wrong.
But in any case, if there’s one thing I think we’ll agree on it is that JYJ will not be needing money via a reunion anytime soon. They are wealthy men at this point with excellent financial planners, many investments and a blindingly bright future.
@ghostitos
JYJ didn’t write “W”, but I don’t think there is anyone who can doubt what the message was all about. So, in that regard it was still going out to those two and telling them how they felt. And when you watch the performance, you see the emotions that are felt. With all those messages coming their way, all that was needed was one indication in a PUBLIC way to say, we hear you. They didn’t have to do anything more. But they chose instead for whatever their reasons to adopt the company line. Yes, it could have looked awkward. But anything would have been better than what they wound up doing, casting aspersions on the characters of the members of JYJ. That was not cool under any circumstances.
Don’t get me wrong. I understand how difficult it is to live in a plantation environment and feel free enough to speak your mind. When you do that, you lay yourself open to all kinds of repercussions. But some manage to muster up a smidgeon of courage from time to time.
So this topic of who was to blame for the breakup, that’s a red herring. LSM/SM were responsible for the breakup. SM chose to treat these young men as chattel, not human beings. So for those who have no problem being chattel, more power to you.
I’m still mystified as to how folks continue to defend SM when its obvious SM has no problem with sexual harrassment of their female artists. So my description of this company as a nest of vipers still stands.
@butterfliesarefree2
Yes, exactly. These artists under SM can be likened to chattels. Anyone who can see the bigger picture and read about things like getting less than 2 hours of sleep a day or having no say whatsoever with your career and with your life, being treated like kids with no decision-making rights of their own, would agree that for all the high-fashion clothes, glamorous videos, and globe-trotting activities these people have, then they really are no better than modern-day slaves.
JYJ didn’t write “W”, but if I’ve not remembered wrongly, the composer did say he spoke to JYJ about their feelings before writing the lyrics.
I was a fan of the legendary TVXQ5. It’s no longer in existence now. No matter how SM or HM tried to say they are “protecting the name” or whatsoever, they only succeed in ruining it.
Whatever I wanna say is already brilliantly put across by sisters Lilibaiyu and Butterfliesarefree2, and I couldn’t have said it better myself.
OT5s, you sure can still continue your “Dreams to be five again”.
It’s your wish but do not put it as if it’s JYJ’s obligation to make it happen.
They had walked out of the horror done to them and succeeded like no others can do.
Live your own life and let them live theirs.
@Daisy
I don’t want to disrespect you but how can you think the reason Yunho didn’t leave SM because his family is poor? I think JJ family is poor too and the same as yoochun. JJ’s mother have a small store in countryside and YC’s mother got divorced, he even had to eat only noodle cup in almost every meals. They got money from tvxq as same as yunho and changmin did which is a large amount if compare to salary man but is very small amount if compare to the big star and with time and labor they poured on tvxq’s days. If your agreement is yunho family is poor, so you have to admit that he is greedy and JJ+YC didn’t even care about it. They did’t care whether they will get money or not, they just want to be free and have their own lives.
And changmin, yes he want to achieve his dream and anyone shouldn’t blame him for doing that but please don’t forget, JYJ have the same dream as him but with more moral mind. They didn’t agree to sold their souls to the evil that’s why they didn’t want to obey to SM anymore. They know things better, what’s right and wrong. Referring from your agreement, I can only think that changmin didn’t care much about humanity, morality and uprightness. All he cares about is will he ever sing again in front of people, will he ever be popular as before, will he ever be able on TV. and that’s all what he want to do. He didn’t even care he will be able to sing a nice song, a song that he can write by himself or will he able to chose his own next work. He’s willing to accept everything SM give him but JYJ didn’t want to. So for me, JYJ have heart of human more than him. They’re painfully willing to give up their dream of being a singer and chose a different dream. A dream of being a human.
One last thing, backstreet boys did’t break up because of lawsuit and betray friends or something like that, They just want to do their solos.
ps. Maybe there’s one small, little tiny possibility that they will be get back together again. So I don’t want to ruin your beautiful dream. I’m just happy that I can’t be more satisfy with my place right now. It’s the same place as JYJ is and that’s what I really care about.
Oops! sorry, my bad english might confused you, I want to say that if Yunho’s family was poor, JJ+YC’s family was poor too.
@Butterfliesarefree
The American music industry has been toxic for a long time and a lot of American groups have gone through similar situations as TVXQ5. New Edition as teenagers were paid 1.87 a piece after their first concert and were told like TVXQ that expenses were the cause for their low pay. New Edition like JYJ quickly left their company because of financial reasons and sued their entertainment company in order to be released from their contracts, won their case and signed to another company.
In another deal gone wrong, the groups business matters were being controlled by Jump and Shoot, which they had no say. The group again left their company and was forced to borrow 100,000 dollars each from MCA in order to buy themselves out of Jump and Shoot. The group later was forced to perform in order to pay off MCA’s debt.
Nsync had a public legal battle with Lou Pearlman and his company for cheating them out of their earnings taking nearly 50 percent of their earnings. Pearlman countersued Nsync for 150 million and the exclusive rights to the name Nsync. Backstreet Boys also sued Pearlman for cheating the band members out of millions of dollars. Pearlman collected millions of the bands earnings and paid himself as a 6th member including paying himself earnings as both their manager and producer.
Pearlman was also sued by Aaron Carter for stealing millions from the pop star, subsequently all of Pearlmans wrong doings have lead him to a 25 year jail sentence. I’m not sure if your American or not but the American music industry is toxic too. They all had similar experiences almost exact, the only difference was that no one got blacklisted and all the members followed one another. I think all five had emotional reactions to the situation, everyone was angry, sad and confused.
@ Lilibaiyu
What I meant about “the personal dynamics of their situation” is that things in their personal lives could have been the reason for them not following JYJ. I also named a few things in my previous post that could be the reasons behind it. Everyone has to weigh whats most important to them before making a decision and I think like JYJ, the other two members had to face what was most important to them.
I don’t think if Yunho and Max would have followed JYJ that it would have made their situation any easier. However, I guess shouldering some of that pain, anxiety, and stress would have been better with five people instead of just three and they would not have to suffer the lost of their friendship. Nevertheless, SM would have still blocked them from the Korean music industry, everything still would have been extremely hard and complicated. It wouldn’t be any less complicated. However, I guess they would all be at Cjes and be working on their own time and not SM and Cassiopeia would still be intact.
Both groups barely mention one another in the press and what has been mention was probably out of anger and confusion from a situation that was still revolving. I’m guess you are referring to Yunho and Max interviews and maybe that Twitter drama ( even though Yunho and Max cannot control the behavior of their friends) as disrespectful behavior. However, even after that drama the members of JYJ made comments like they did not have any problems with them. So if the members of JYJ seem to not have a problem with them, why should you?
I still find it to be a good thing that newer and younger fans of TVXQ and JYJ are learning of the old TVXQ5 through them and they are able to appreciate the past group.Yunho and Max never claim to have did it all by themselves if they make any statement referring to that part of history its usually hoping create a new chapter for TVXQ. I don’t think their ruining TVXQ, people still appreciate them and fans are still given a lot of joy from watching and listening to their music or performances. I appreciate all of TVXQ past history, present, and JYJ’s music.
I’m not sure if you ever worked in a corporation before but most of the time if you invent something on their time using their equipment ect., it becomes the intellectual property of the corporation. Not saying that its right that TVXQ members weren’t able to get full credit for songs written, because its completely bull but this happens in employee contracts all the time. However, I don’t think songs or any employee ideas should be taken. They all can call themselves, TVXQ members nothing is gonna change that.
Its not naïve to compare TVXQ to American groups. It seems to me that you and Butterflies appear to think that there is no corruption or shortchanging in the American music industry, when that is far from the truth. Many groups have been conned, paid little, and have literally lost their careers because of an unscrupulous record company or business manager. Many have the same stories of selling millions of records and not seeing any profit. It may not be as prevalent these days (groups not making any money) but it has happened and their situations are similar to JYJ”s. I’ll just quote my other post.
Nsync had a public legal battle with Lou Pearlman and his company for cheating them out of their earnings taking nearly 50 percent of their earnings. Pearlman countersued Nsync for 150 million and the exclusive rights to the name Nsync. Backstreet Boys also sued Pearlman for cheating the band members out of millions of dollars. Pearlman collected millions of the bands earnings and paid himself as a 6th member including paying himself earnings as both their manager and producer. Pearlman was also sued by Aaron Carter for stealing millions from the pop star, subsequently all of Pearlmans wrong doings have lead him to a 25 year jail sentence. He did the same thing to O-Town however, they weren’t as successful as their predecessors.
New Edition were living in the projects and were paid 1.87 each for their first concert and were told production cost were the reason. The group left the company because of financial reasons, sued their entertainment company and won. They were later signed to a company who controlled everything and the group bought themselves out of their contract with Jump Shoot by borrowing 100,000 each from their new label MCA and were forced to perform in order to pay it off.
I don’t know that much about New Edition or New Kids On The Block net worth but I’m pretty sure the Backstreet Boys aren’t poor they are all multimillionaires and aren’t touring because they are near bankruptcy. The same can be said for any group out there who is active, they could dislike each other behind the scenes too. Movie actors, television series families do it all the time. One minute you think the cast must get along great because of how great the show is and the next you find out these people hate each other. The case could be made for TVXQ5 too, they could just not like each other but we would never know.
@Daisy
Well, gosh Daisy. It looks like you’re got everything all figured out. And you must be right, “what do Butterflies and I know about anything?” You’ll have to let us know how all your theories of the happy reunion are working out.
@BAF
” I’m not sure if your American or not but …”
@Lili
I’m not sure if you ever worked in a corporation before…”
Sorry my dear sisters, you know I love you, but I can’t help laughing that I almost spit out the water I’m drinking.
PEACE 🙂
Let’s just dance Jaejoongie’s Only Love, to lower the cholesterol and pressure 🙂
@Suishou
I was only giving examples of why I think he did not leave. His family being poor is a factor that one could think was an influence in his decision making. Everyone’s, decision is not going to be the same, nor will the factors in their life influencing their decision be the same or be weighed the same. Jaejoong and Yoochun were poor too, but Yunho’s mindset and decision is still going to be his regardless.
I don’t know if Yunho is greedy or not because I don’t know him or his spending habits to call him greedy. If that is what you believe about Changmin than that is what you believe. However, I do find it odd, that you can say that Changmin…does not care for humanity. Its not like he is some great threat to society like some dictator harming his own people. Anyhow, the Backstreet Boys aren’t currently broken up.
@kris
“Let’s just dance Jaejoongie’s Only Love, to lower the cholesterol and pressure”
LOLOL I know. I was laughing too, honestly. What can you do sometimes? Laugh and move on, that’s always been my method.
@Daisy
@siushou
“However, I do find it odd, that you can say that Changmin…does not care for humanity. Its not like he is some great threat to society like some dictator harming his own people. Anyhow, the Backstreet Boys aren’t currently broken up.”
???
lol Am I missing something? lol
LOL
@BAF
” I’m not sure if your American or not but …”
@Lili
I’m not sure if you ever worked in a corporation before…”
Sorry my dear sisters, you know I love you, but I can’t help laughing that I almost spit out the water I’m drinking.
PEACE
Let’s just dance Jaejoongie’s Only Love, to lower the cholesterol and pressure
@Kris
Of course I wouldn’t know whether or not ButterfliesareFree is American or not. I do not personally know her or read enough of her post to know that information. I also don’t know if Lilibaiyu has worked for a corporation or not because I don’t know her personally either. All I know is that she was or is a musician.
If all I know she could have been independent and ran her own business. I really hope my words didn’t anger anyone enough to actually run their blood pressure and cholesterol up. If my post are bothersome, I’ll stop.
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@ Lilibaiyu
Siushou stated that Changmin does not care for humanity and I took it as what has he done not to care for humanity. Individuals who do care for humanity are usually threats to society, such as rapist, killers, dictators and anyone that harms others. When you say someone does not care for humanity, they have to had done something to earn that title simply not talking to your friends anymore isn’t reason enough to be told you do not care for society. The Backstreet Boys comment I made, was because she said the Backstreet Boys are broken up and I told her that they are not currently broken up.
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I meant do not care for humanity
I meant do not care for humanity..obviously.
@Daisy
lol I know. I think what she meant was that Changmin comes off so often as a snotty little twat who is annoyed and put upon by his fans more than anything else. He really is not good at public relations, he puts people off with his comments and he kind of comes off like he’s above his fans, looking down on them and finding them wanting. It’s not pleasant if you’re just a normal person reading his comments but if you’re a Changmin fan, enamored of him, then I guess it’s fine.
I’ve been a silent reader here for some time, and frankly I’ve always tried to avoid comments that make me angry, agitated, pissed and sad. In other words, anything that makes my blood BOIL and pressure RISE, I avoid. Hey, it’s my life (I love it) so I have a say right? Ha ha.
Anyway, I see a chain of comments here and decided that I can’t keep my silence any more. (pls feel free to ignore if this is not what you want/choose to hear)
@Daisy
Frankly, it’s rare for me to read comments from a fan (whose? I wonder) who tries to say something on behalf of HoMin. Usually I just skipped them, although this doesn’t meant that I know nothing about what went wrong and what happened. I’ve read the entire JYJFiles and understood what happened exactly, and in chronological order.
It seems that after many rounds you still didn’t get what the other gals are saying here. So maybe we can look at it like this (hopefully it’s another way to look at things):
There are 2 guys. Both are poor. Both have talent (although in diff ways). Both have the same dream. Both joined a company which promised to make them realized their talent and dream. Both became closed because they went throught thick and think together in that hellish environment. They were comrads/friends/brothers. One day, they BOTH thought they had enough of the hellish treatment. They talked about leaving and finding a better life/dream. They agreed to go ahead. Last minute, 1 guy backed out. The other went ahead knowing what is in store for him (mistreatment, blame from the company/fans of breaking up the much loved duo, and ultimately may have to lead life as a farmer). The other stay on, taking-on the name which used to belonged to the 2 of them. BOTH chose their destinies. One choose to leave despite knowing that he MAY not have any future. One choose to stay knowing that he at least will have the job/name still.
What I am saying here is, everyone made their choices. Doesn’t mean that both are poor means both choose to stay. We all can see clearly that both are faced with the choice of their life (dire stratis). One would rather give-up being an artist and face the “music” rather than be a puppet to the company who worked them like a slave with little/no compensation (but can secure his job). The other would rather stay even AFTER promising he will leave, abandoning the other one outside to face the “music” alone. Not only that. While the other was left outside facing the “music” alone and even thought about ending his life, this guy through interviews even started to bad-mouth the other. Yes, the guy who chose to stay behind may be pressurized, threatened etc and could be facing lots of stress too. BUT. What made one a MAN and the OTHER not? What made ONE guy respectable and the OTHER not? The choices they made. Poor IS NOT AN EXCUSE for choosing the devil (never!). Afraid of the repercussion of leaving this giant company, his fans and his future etc.IS NOT AN EXCUSE for standing by the devil’s side. Too scared to face the damaging rumours, accusations, condemnation, and even being hit/slapped by people on the street IS NOT AN EXCUSE to stay behind and be a robot/heartless person.
Just my 2 cents.
I rest my case.
@Daisy
what do you want from me? I kinda lost when I read your comment and I think it’s not because my poor english ;P Anyway, you really can make me laugh so hard while I read your opinion, it’s like ‘how do you know what it’s true, how do you know what HM think?’ Yes, How would I know, How would anyone know. So why don’t we just stop this kind of agreement and let it goes~
I really feel thankful for a person like you, you taught me how unbelievable this world is. It’s kind a make my days. ^^
oops! sorry again, what I want to say is why don’t we just stop this kind of argument.
Man, maybe I’m really bad at typing english or maybe I just laugh too much so I type the wrong word XD My Apology ~
@Daisy
As my VE Sister Lilibaiyu states, yes I am American. African-American by racial ethnicity. Some people don’t like hyphenating their Amercianess, I do. It’s a pride kind of thing.
Daisy, I’m going to try and clear up any confusion you might have about what I meant by whose more toxic than the other. Quite frankly, the music industry worldwide is made of up companies that use their power to the corporate advantage, than the artist. Money making entities for the most part always look out for themselves FIRST. Motown royally screwed over most of their acts for the longest time. These were artists that put black music and the American music industry on the map. But many wound up with next to nothing. There were other companies who did the same thing. But even when artists here age, they still have an opportunity to continue on because the population size provides enough fan support for them to survive. Probably the biggest success story from that company and that era as far as keeping his career and money intact, is the blind Stevie Wonder. Go figure.
When I refer to the situation in SK vs. America, what I am referring to is the cultural aspect that would allow an ENTIRE industry to use the BS the broadcasters – radio & TV – that treats young artists as if they are criminals for doing what JYJ did. When I said the situations are not comparable, I meant, none of these artists lost the ability to pursue their careers with others; or be cheated out of the opportunity to use the same airwaves as other artists. No one treated them like they committed any crimes. This simply is not done in the U.S.
Just because these artists needed and chose to sue their management agents/companies, they were not denied the opportunity to appear ANYWHERE. The music they made afterwards was allowed on radio. They were able to appear on TV programs. They were allowed to showcase in live concert venues. No one used the lame ass excuse, “They are in a lawsuit”, to punish them for wanting fair treatment. This just is not done in the U.S. There are too many media outlets, that compete as if they are in a wrestling ring. You will not find a U.S. version of KEPA or KFIAFC(sp), telling broadcasters to not allow artists in legal dispute with their agencies/companies, to keep them off the airwaves.
There are no restrictions on any of these artists to write a book, and tell all. How much do you want to bet, it ain’t gonna happen in SK? Remember the writer who wrote a book about JYJ’s situation with SM and once it was published, swoosh, it disappeared? Hell, he could have come over here and been on Oprah! The cultural aspects are too divergent. Eastern and Western cultures just do it differently.
Two other cases I mentioned before – Mariah Carey and Prince. Mariah’s company wanted to drop her and paid her over $20M dollars NOT to finish her contract for the remaining 4 albums. They didn’t want her anymore. Probably because her ex-husband was part of the corporation, and they wanted to keep him happy, who knows. She left that company and with her new one went on to create her next three best-selling albums. So, she not only added that $20m+ to her bank account for doing nothing, but added the revenue from those next best sellers.
Prince sued Warner Music for the rights to his name and music. For quite a while he used The Artist Formerly Known As Prince, as his moniker. He also went around with the word ‘Slave’ marked on the side of his face to advertise what he felt his condition with his music company was. Hello, plantation here people! They get apoplexy in SK calling the industry there by that name. At NO time did anyone stop playing his music on radio, or keep him from appearing on TV. Can you imagine what would have happened to the members of JYJ had they done that? And they never once used that word to describe their condition. The Seoul district court did though.
And yes, I do understand about intellectual property rights. For a number of years I worked for a large consulting company that had offices all around the world on about 5 different continents. And in the handbook they clearly stated what the policies were. How much you want to bet SM doesn’t do this? But there is also something that happens in companies that declare property rights. They agree the developer gets some of the rights to that property. Most folks who work for major corporations who have this set up are adults and understand the implications. They are not starry eyed pubescent kids who are only thinking about the glitter and the glam.
SM offers not one red copper cent to their artists for their work, or give them any royalties. But you know what Daisy? They could if they want to. They just choose to be blood-sucking vipers and not share. LSM is worth over $100M U.S. equivalent. Would it have really killed his portfolio over the years to properly share with any of the artists who helped him obtain that fortune? Ask yourself that question. Hell, even AVEX allowed the composers in THSK to have some of the copyrights and get royalties for their work. So WTH is wrong with SM doing this? Why should the members of JYJ lose out on what is their creativity?
I respect your right to your opinions regarding Yunho and Changmin. Yes, they both chose the path they want to go down, just as Jaejoong, Yoochun, and Junsu did. But that does not give them carte blanche to verbally trample on the characters of these three young men. At NO TIME have any of the three of them done this. If you can find a quote where this was done, please share it with those of us who may have over-looked this happening.
Please know that I will always look forward to commenting with you back and forth on any issue. We do not always have to agree. We can agree to disagree.
P.S. My VE Sister is being kind. I think she’s trying to camouflage my age. I’ve actually had music on my mind since way back in the very early 1960s. 🙂
PEACE
Looks as if my membership in Typos “R US is still valid. There are some in my response to Daisy. I like to keep paying my dues. 🙂
@BAF and Daisy
“And yes, I do understand about intellectual property rights. For a number of years I worked for a large consulting company that had offices all around the world on about 5 different continents. And in the handbook they clearly stated what the policies were.”
I read with great attention and my usual level of admiration your comments. The urge merely to say “It’s GOOD to have a V.E. Sister!” passed because I did want to make one small final clarification to Daisy about our lively exchange. It was in regards to my rather floridly painted scenario of the songs, lyrics, intellectual property etc. of the 3 being confiscated on their departure only to be seen again re-branded later magically morphed into being credited to… the bio and various promotional data for… 2VXQ. Contrary to Daisy’s assurances, Homin ARE regularly and variously assuming the mantle of the five, their works, their successes as their own, lock, stock and barrel.
But that wasn’t the point I was really making because of course I know if all intellectual property is signed over to a company, even if your parents didn’t have an attorney, read through the contract sitting there in the office and didn’t manage to get a copy of it upon leaving – well, what you signed over will have to be gone after in court for you to get it back. I have friends who had to sue and some I’m happy to say won big. But that really wasn’t my point either.
My point was this:
“It hurts – for this to happen it literally hurts, it is maddening, in fact. My heart hurts for the members of JYJ, that this happened to them and that they are continually reminded that it is still happening. This is no small thing. This is a major, awful thing for these three young men to bear. Each has alluded to it in their own way. This is not a hurt that blows over and is gone quickly. This is a scar deep in the creative hearts of Junsu, Jaejoong and Yuchun.”
That was in fact my point. It sickens the heart of any creative artist to find out that his work, that he created and brought to life via the recording studio is, for all intents and purposes, no longer his. That generations of fans will have forgotten or never knew the originator of some truly great and uniquely inspired music.
As I said, this really is no minor thing for JYJ, it rakes at their hearts every time they see new evidence of SM trying as hard as they know how to ERASE them from DBSK history purely out of spite, vindictiveness and killing jealousy at their more recent successes. And once again, Homin has done nothing to at least correct the press releases, etc. to say that, LIKE JYJ HAVE HAD TO DO, they too are starting over. And THIS is why I say that it is still just so very hard not to feel that while of course SM is the ultimate culprit, Homin really isn’t making it all that easy to “enjoy” what they do these days.
@Daisy
Well, just to put you in the picture, BAF is a delightful and incredibly intelligent Black lady with a voluminous knowledge of the American R&B and Pop tradition. She’s been there and done that with a who’s who of any great Black artist you care to name in the last 25 years. Myself, as I said I come from a family of great musical artists, one of our number in the top ten of Rolling Stone’s All time Best Albums and no stranger to alienation of affections of a record company; this company at one point vowed to “bury his career” and make sure that he never worked again.” In a way, that’s what drew me to JYJ’s fight back in the very beginning. A sense of deja vu overpowered me, only this time I wasn’t 20 years old and absolutely petrified of what was coming next.
The both of us really do have a history in music, a long history in the music business and we do know one or two things about it. What you choose to believe is absolutely up to you. But you could do worse than to listen to what we occasionally have to say. Or not. It’s entirely up to you.
🙂
I’m still confused BTW Yunho N Changmin holding Jae album?!!!!! sweetheart Carmen it’s fanmade not true I saw that photo too before a couple of days on facebook (save TVXQ),you can search for it
@Angel Jae
“I’m still confused BTW Yunho N Changmin holding Jae album?!!!!! ”
It was photo-shopped. The people who do this sort of thing want you to: 1.) buy other photo-shopped things from them or 2.) continue to support and buy SM product. It is a cheap ploy to get your money. Nothing more, nothing less.
even if it’s a real picture, it’s still only for built up HM’s nice image. HM’ve always played as if they’re a victim even JYJ didn’t say anything bad about them. I ever thought there’s still good feeling left between 5 of them but when I read HM’s interview, all I can think is ‘don’t you have your own brain? Say anything SM told you, why don’t just admit to fan that you’re a robot without heart and soul. That’s why you can stay in that bullshit company while JYJ couldn’t endure it anymore. Because JYJ has heart and soul. How the good human can stay in a place like that?’ something like this. and believe me, don’t trust anything from keep5 websites, they’re actually HM’s fan only or just a crazy fan who didn’t know what right and wrong. Most of Keep5 fan want JYJ to go back to TVXQ and acting like innocent child, believing SM will change their contracts and they can make peace together. You see what circumstance JYJ are at now. They can’t even perform on TV broadcast. So how SM will be fair to JYJ if SM still act like a Gangster in Entertainment Industry?
@SuiShou
“Because JYJ has heart and soul. How the good human can stay in a place like that?’ ”
I really like what you said. That is what it is. JYJ had heart and soul. They believed in themselves. How can ANYONE say that they were wrong to do that?
Ah, this reminds me of some people who said JYJ’s IQ is low and HM’s are high, thats why they made the decisions they made. With the outcome now, I really doubt it.
But! if that’s what those people wanna think, then with the song “Heart, Mind and Soul”, TVXQ5 “Heart and Soul” left when JYJ left and SM can keep the “Mind” if that’s what they think is clever.
@shadow
“Ah, this reminds me of some people who said JYJ’s IQ is low and HM’s are high, thats why they made the decisions they made.” Uh huh.
Well what do you know. Having a high IQ means you stick with people who treat you like dirt. The only reason they keep you is because they need you as a battering ram against the ones who left. They will polish you, dress you up, and show you off. Look but don’t touch. Gotcha.
I don’t suppose it has ever occurred to those with this mindset that in order to survive out in the jungle one must have skills, courage, and fortitude. Having a high IQ isn’t all it’s cracked up to be without those traits. You will soon find your self lost in that jungle without a clue as to how to get out of it.
I’ll put my money on those without the high IQs because at least they know how to form a plan, execute it, and get themselves out of the jungle. Once you’re out of the jungle, you can then get on with whatever is your goal and purpose in life. See having a high IQ and no goals and purposes is like being an object in a museum. Nice to look at, but not something you want to bring home.
I know a few folks who’ve been considered genius material, and trust me, they could have used a lot more common sense in life and things would have turned out better for them.
@my friend shadow
“But! if that’s what those people wanna think, then with the song “Heart, Mind and Soul”, TVXQ5 “Heart and Soul” left when JYJ left and SM can keep the “Mind” if that’s what they think is clever.”
You know I have said since I showed up here a couple of years ago after my extended tenure on JYJFiles that JYJ are indeed the heart and soul, not to mention the talent powerhouse of the 5 member DBSK. I have never wavered even momentarily from that view.
I was reading an Op Ed article on JYJFiles today while I was vainly trying to find the information about the departure timeline for vien that I’ve been looking for all day. This article posed the question, which I am paraphrasing here, “What if it was Jaejoong and Junsu who decided to stay with SM? Would you feel the same way about them as you do about Homin now?”
Now here was a hypothetical so breathtakingly intriguing and novel that it really stopped me in my tracks and made me ponder it awhile. I pose it to all of you too, although I don’t imagine you will all find it as interesting as I did. Here is the reply I came up with:
“No. I would feel differently.”
The more I knew about the company the more I would still deplore their behavior and attitude toward their signees but for me, first, last and foremost is has always been about the musical talent of the members. I could not possibly ever, ever have denied the incredible talents that Jaejoong and Junsu possess, not on my worst day. My contributing dismissal of Homin has always come down to the purely personal feeling that I have, which I know is certainly not shared by so many others, that they are the 2 weakest links by far of the old 5 member group. As a lifelong musician and songwriter, one among a family of the same with decades spent in the music business in the U.S., from my perspective, exceptional talent will always trump any other factor – as it should. This is why we are all here. For the sake of the music. Those who spend inordinate amounts of time oogling the undoubted physical charms of the 5 members and/or parroting slogans they’ve learned elsewhere that have little or no reality attached to them, for me anyway, they are really missing the boat.
Well, we all learn things from someone or other who may know more, may have been around longer and isn’t one to bullshit you. So here’s a bit of self-styled wisdom from me: JYJ, the members – these three – are the real thing. They can do what ALL real singers can do. They can stand up in front of a microphone, open their mouths and deliver the goods. Homin – not even. They have to rely on studio fixes and lip-syncing at their shows. The second they try to sing live, it’s excruciating. This fact however, surely gives me an indication of why they stayed with SM. In what other possible universe could they have been promoted to be the lead singers, the star performers of DBSK?
plz vote for JaeJoong
http://musicstar.sportsseoul.com/
This May sound Odd But They make me want to LIVE & Fight for my Dreams now too!
They are truly the best band!
They have fought Like Warriors! I’m so GLAD you posted this! Thank You so much! 🙂
Xo
@fashionlovebypam,
Hi Pam! 🙂 Nice to meet you again! Yeah, i agree with you so much! These boys are just so inspiring, working so hard.. not caring about the money offered to them, ONLY thinking about whether they can create music freely! They are reallly true musicians 🙂 So proud of them for enduring, and winning the fight! I believe they will soar higher this year and will continue to inspire many in the industry in the years to come!
I cry again n again..after read this for 2 n 3 times..my though in the past cross in my mind again..remind me what i think about the 3 leave their warm home “TVXQ”…So yapari…it’s same as mine T^T
even i already knew their reason then (in silent i cry). but i just cannot imagine what they feel back then..in such a pain, guilty feeling for the 2 member n regreting some day…ohh..GOD thank u for make them 5 strong enough to through this hard situation..
And I still hope till the end (even this close imposibble) that the 5 brothers who all of us love so much..will make a way to reunite again..built their home “TVXQ”once again..life in big smile,happy lough and dork..no more tears no more pain..
Oh GOD..In such a good day as now..please let our wish come true..
Thank you. 🙂
@minomushi
I’m very sorry that you are in such distress. Really the facts were there for you since 2009. The group has been over since then. Two of “the brothers” decided to betray the other three. This happens sometimes in life. People become overcome with fear and self-interest. Now the three are fine, vital, full of projects and hopes for the future. There is simply no room for Homin anymore. If perhaps in the last three years Homin had shown any interest in leaving SM… who knows? But they have not.
Now as I’m sure you are aware, Homin will be contractually bound to SM until they are well into their 30’s. While they are SM’s property, there will certainly be no reunion. So when they are 36 or so, do you think that the members of JYJ will be willing to take a substantial pay cut of everything they do to include them, whom they have amply shown they do not need, for….. for what reason, exactly? They will have been apart for longer than they were together at that point. Don’t we all have relationships and activities as very young people that we have grown past as we become older? Is JYJ not allowed this most human understanding of growing up?
@lilibaiyu
“Don’t we all have relationships and activities as very young people that we have grown past as we become older?”
YES thank you! i don’t understand this ~friendship forever~ mindset some fans have. this is not grade school – this is not how the real world works…
homin resigned their contracts recently, right? was the contract length released?
@ghostitos
“i don’t understand this ~friendship forever~ mindset some fans have.”
I believe that mindset was planted there by people working for and with SM to keep fans hoping and above all BUYING. This is what almost everything comes back to with SM. They want to make money. They want to keep the fans/ their customers buying. This is what was so heartbreaking about Homin staying. They gave SM the perfect excuse to keep selling DBSK back catalog product by keeping the fans thinking there would be a reunion.
Also, Homin did re-sign, most likely for the new maximum contract length of 7 years. Obviously, no one has talked about the terms of their contract.
@lilibaiyu
umm..yes thank you for remind me about my imposible wish..
Everythink u said it’s all right for reality world..i cannot reject that..coz i really know about that.. reality is never end sweet as our wish..^^
but can i just dream about it?..deep inside my heart i wish they still have that brotherships feeling..out of their work or status, behind our eyes..they still can be together as before (lough n dork)..
N of couse..i hope the happiness for them..for homin n jyj..
Hope they will never find the pain in their way anymore..lough n happy forever..
N i also will keep continue support both of them..what ever they will be in the future..
Let’s continue our support together.. ^^
@minomushi
Of course, yes, what each of us holds in our hearts is our own. No one can tell us what to hold there. That is for us each to know.
My point was just to mention the real world things. I find there are still a lot of people who don’t know or haven’t heard about many of the details yet. There has been a huge lot of outright propaganda floated about by, I regret to say, the Cassie fandom and those who were actively promoting SM’s agenda hoping the members of JYJ would give up and go back to SM and re-join Homin – a sort of forced reunion, as it were.. There has been a great deal of misinformation and damaging innuendo aimed at JYJ from within the fandom in the last 3 years, as was mentioned in the article. So it never hurts to just review the facts here occasionally just for the newer posters. Again, I’m sorry if I made you feel unhappy.
🙂
So sorry for you, but your hope has ended…they are no longer friends a long time ago and all of them have move on and so do we.
Your wish will never come true and JYJ is and always be forever 3.
Thank you very much for the translation, though it gives me heavy feeling again but it refreshes why I admire JYJ a lot.
I always thought JaeChun were the rebellious type, so I was really surprised but at the same time thankful that Junsu (whom according to what I’d read was considered the good or golden boy in SM) took the risk to become a farmer with all those years of training.
Keep on going guys, given the fact that each of you is multi-talented and as an adult wants to express your own artistic preferences, so I can’t expect you to be together always, you may be walking on separate paths at times but I know there’ll always be a day you’ll sit down together as JYJ, making music or just drinking wine for Soulmate and iced coffee for Junsu. 🙂 .
“Stand for something or you will fall for anything. Today’s mighty oak is yesterday’s nut that held its ground.”
–
Rosa Parks
Having a belief and standing up for that belief regardless of future consequences, makes you stronger no matter what the outcome. When you have had enough, that’s it. Jaejoong, Yoochun, and Junsu, I am so proud of you for taking the risks you took. It took no small amount of courage to walk out the door and not look back. The future is yours to do with what you will. You have already shown how wise you are by sticking to your guns and not being swayed by those who only wanted to keep you in the same conditions you left.
“If you have a purpose in which you can believe, there’s no end to the amount of things you can accomplish.”
–
Marian Anderson
Kim Jaejoong, Park Yoochun, and Kim Junsu…I believe in you. Walk tall and straight my young brothers. Never ever keep your heads down.
Well, actually you can really see that during 2008 – 2009. the lack of sleep, too many music shows, too many concerts, variety shows during TVXQ’s days. There were soo many of those. Most of fans, even me, have those thoughts. Were they working too hard ? did they got enough sleep ? They like flying back and forward from Japan to Korea, back to Japan soo many times just in one week. I..who just international fans, even worry about them. Those were insane years. It was like a daily routine, just go up stage, concert, airport, variety shows, another airport and nothing more.. So I understand JYJ with their decision, and why they did it. I even have those thought before, about they should leave SM.. ^^ so i quite aware, this path just have to be taken one day. And boy, I was glad and scared when they actually take this path. Glad because now they have more freedom, worry because only 3 that leave instead of 5, and Fear, yes absolutely.. I have fear for those three that i will never see them again. But they overcome it, and they become stronger than before.
more lighter and fun note, the farmer stuff… oh my… three meals from three different farmers.. and they have 3 houses next to each other. Yoochun brings food on morning, Junsu in charge on food for afternoon and Jaejoong on dinner… ^^ Jaejoong will be the cook then, for all three, Yoochun the assistant and let Junsu wash the dishes… LOL….
Wow. I don’t even live in Korea, but I feel like flying over there and throwing rotten eggs at SM Entertainment. And one rotten egg in the face of SM’s CEO because that is what he is–a rotten egg! (LOL).
I walked past SM’s building to Coffee Cojjee when I was in Seoul and thou’ I was at the opposite road and pointed my middle finger at that and yes, it was childish but I don’t care. It shows how much I loathe that company!!!
OMGOSH sis I love youuuuu
Hugs u!
@murasaki
At least you had the opportunity. Let me take this time to say to you…”I love you too!” 😀 Don’t worry about it seeming childish. From time to time we should all honor our inner child. 😉
i agree wish i was there to do the same…
^___^
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@murasaki 紫♥♥ IOnlyShipJaemuCouple♥♥
what’s the meaning Jaemu?!!
Jae for JaeJoong N mu for ……?!!!
Jae and me ^^
Thanks for everyone here who’s talking about the issue between JYJ,HoMin N SM
so,DID you really believe that HoMin changed their mind for last minute?CUZ I don’t
I think the big issue not just between JYJ N SM,it’s also between JYJ N HoMin?so I really don’t know what’s going on?or we all don’t know yet what’s going on?the Tattoo,Jae’s MINE
HoMin’s keep your head down OR How are you OR before you go
or Yoochun untitled song
we don’t know anything!!!
all we knew that the separated N they not contact each other ant more but I’m still wondering if Yunho,Yoochun N Jaejoong met again in Drama award SBS,MBC N KBS cuz the three of them are real actors and every year Yoochun N Jaejoong had award on their dramas
Nope, they will not meet as ever again. So, no need to wonder and no need to stress yourself right?. ^^
But We, JYJ Fans, we know.
As we know what is going on I mean…
sm should pay up what is fair to jyj period and i would add a public apology fro grief they endured…don’t you think?
Yes they shall but reality does not work that way…unfortunately…
its sad that they can no longer be together they were like family.,,,, i need a hug here, so sad
I’m sorry for you but not for me as I am a Jaeharem and JYJ’s fan only. So for you, it’s best to accept reality as it is. Whatever the future may be, let’s fate decide.
@ghostitos
homin resigned their contracts recently, right? was the contract length released?
wait wait wait what did you mean resigned their contracts?what did that happened?are you sure?cuz I’m cassi too N JYJer
i thought i read something about them resigning but maybe it was a rumour…
A HoMin fan told me recently that those two resigned with their agency. I have no idea if it is true. But it sounds reasonable for me. Because if they would leave their agency, everybody would look on them through fingers, especially their fans. So they have no real choice in this matter. Not that it matters now for JYJ or us their fans, who are walking their own path. And I don ´t belive in the past friendship to be still there. Otherwise they would still meet from time to time (and we would know because of sasaengs).
yeah them meeting up secretly seems like something saesangs would be all over. i doubt they could keep something like that a secret for long…
i can’t see them walking away from SM now… SM has given them a “new sound”, they have new young fans and everyone still calls them “kings”. they are shareholders too, right?
if jyj has a big fanbase they should be afraid of opening a company on their own. i’m sure that the fans would help out with promotion, after all fans are constantly in contact with each already promoting their activities. they can start small and grow with the support of their fans.i’m sure there are investors out there that are also fans or have family members who their fans.so use them to invest and create a new company.what do you think? any ideas on this?
@ruber
Yes, they re-signed. This should be around the fall of 2010. That was just before the big announcement that the “new and improved” Cassiopeia fan club would only accept members who were loyal to the “new and improved” TVXQ. This announcement was made just before JYJ’s Seoul Concert, in November of that year. Nice timing don’t you think? 😉
you mean resigned as in signed again contracts with this company who is giving jyj hell????????
Actually, that fan told me those two resigned (prolonged their contract) recently, around the end of 2012. As I don´t follow HM, I have no idea if it´s true. But their fan should know, I think?
not everyone is brave enougfh to fight these big companies, another reason why i truely admire jyj.they have the guts to take a stand and fight for they believe
@ruber
Well, is you have information from a fan of theirs who says they’ve added more years under SM, then I guess this is the case. Whatever, they are happy with their situation, and are getting something out of it. Although it’s kind of confusing if they signed a new 7 year contract back in 2010, why the need to increase before it’s time to run out. But if the inducement is in their favor more power to them. Regardless of what they sign with SM, there really is no advantage to being in that company. It’s run by a bunch of gangsters and snake charmers. Not my cup of tea.
@carmen janet
Yes, the same wonderful company they ALL experienced the same s**t with for 7+ years. Go figure how two saw and experienced something different. So they are happy, good for them. Hope all this brings them what they want out of life, whatever that is.
i’m thinking could be fear of thsi company that they signed up or some kind of benefit they didn’t get before…we will never know
@ruber
I believe it’s true because, well, can you imagine SM harboring anyone at their agency who weren’t signed to them?? The KFTC declared everyone’s contracts void a while back (thanks in part to the JYJ lawsuit) so everyone re-signed at that time according to the new guidelines for entertainment contracts. It must have been a nervous time for SM before they got everybody’s signatures on their new contracts because the FTC also mandated that entertainers be represented by their own attorneys. That’s why we say it would be a real pity if JYJ were the only ones not to benefit fully by means of their hard fought legal battle and why it’s so important for them to be back on TV, etc. We need to see that the blacklisting is over. That’s only fair.
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@ghostitos
Finally Rumors still rumors
your comment was really awesome,actually for two hours ago I gonna had a heart attack because of your comment but now I’m O.K. ha ha ha
I’m still waiting for HoMin to end their contract with SM
have a nice time waiting them out from sme!
Erm…they most probably re-sign again once their contracts expire… LOL!
But of course you can wait *forever*
😉
i just need my JYJ only…
JYJ forever!!!!!
I’m so glad to finally have a good idea about what happened!
I just wish they’d life happily & freely forever.. no more problems or sadness ^^
I wonder who was the other big agency in korea, that offered that much money to jyj.
Maybe Mnet Media (a CJ group subsidiary)? They let JYJ into that MAMA awards ceremony in 2009 and SME started a war with this company afterwards.
But if they would have signed an exclusive contract with another big company and get such a nice advance payment, they would voluntarily get into a very similar situation as when they were in SME. So their whole fight would be for cats.
i still think jyj should create their own company jyj entertainment and sign up any artist that is not happy with the other companys and maybe their own channel too…don’t you think?
To run your own company is not an easy task and requires a lot of time and efforts. If none of the members would want to be a CEO, they would need to hire somebody to do it and that is risque. I can understand that nobody of them wants it yet.
From what I´ve seen how the korean entertainment bussiness works, it is all about connections and old friendships and strategic games and corruption and blackmail and media play and plans behind plans. To survive in it needs a certain type of character. Their current CEO has a past, but at least he knows how it goes and can play the games too, at least in the k-drama field. I would prefer somebody with music backround, but yeah…
Late last year, there was a strange article in korean news that C-JeS tries to buy a media production company, who makes among others those late night advertisement broadcasts and also co-owns some of the small cable channels. The newspaper speculated the main purpouse was to get C-JeS listed on stock exchange (you buy an already listed company and then merge it with your own and so you get authomaticly listed there). I rather though its purpose was to get connections and maybe even their own broadcasting time on that channel, maybe to start similar to Shinhwa variety show. It never happened and C-JeS officially demented it and the newspaper apologized. But I think they really silently tried but failed to buy it. I ´m sure there is much more what is going on silently in the backround and we ever hear only about the maybe 10% that succees in the end.
if it is that complicated to creatte their own entainment company in korea maybe they should establish it in the u.s.i would work for them..wouldn’t you?
@carmen janet
I don’t think you need worry about the guys creating their own company. I suggest you think about the fact that the guys probably already own a piece of CJeS. So, they are are already ahead of the game. 😉
@BAF
” I suggest you think about the fact that the guys probably already own a piece of CJeS.”
I think C-jeS IS their company, with Mr Baek as the “4th Beatle” as their manager Brian Epstein was once called. Chun-Jae-Su – C-jeS. That’s how I’ve always seen it anyway.
@ruber
@ghostitos
so it’s not a rumor,they resigned their contract!!!!-_-bad boys HoMin why why why?I’m crying now
I can’t believe all the time for waiting N waiting
BTW I don’t think they met after separation,I don’t think so
anyway JYJ fight
I always support you guys
LOVE YOU JYJ
every does what the feel they should, but like i said only they know what has made them do this.they have their own situations or what was offerd to keep them happy. you never know. even though i enjoy their music too. my biggest support goes to jyj because i feel they need us more
@carmen janet
totally agree with you
glad we think the same…hope others agree…where you from?
This article really touched my heart and I felt sad, anger and so much happiness all at the same time. When reading this article it made me sad and angry to read about how JYJ had to live in hell and endure all those awful things while being a prisoner of the 100% devil SM. I am so extremely happy that JS, YC, and JJ was strong enough to leave and never look back at that hellish place again. That they chose to believe in themselves and follow their heart. Also everyday I am so happy that I did not know about TVXQ back then and was never their die heart fan. So when I first discovered the wonderful and fabulous JYJ my heart was open to only loving them. I never experienced the delima of who I wanted to give my heart to fully. JYJ had me at just a glance, I was all in. I have always felt that SM never wanted to let them go because not only would it be breaking up there money making machine group but they knew how extremely talented JS, YC, and JJ is. Not to offend any fans but I feel they knew that they were the best singers in the TVXQ group. I am so happy that despite all the hardship they experienced it never broke them and they are now living the way they always wanted to and deserve to. I will always be JYJ fan and continue to support them as JYJ and individually.
On another note I have always wondered if JYJ have ever run into Homin just on any day while out somewhere in Korea. If they did what happen, did they just look at each other and go the other way or did they speak briefly. They all still live in South Korea and Its been so many years and I think they have had to have run into each other at least once.
Also, why are there so many names for the old group:
TVXQ_Chinese name
DBSK-Korean name
Tohoshiniki-Japanese name
Homin-where does this name come from?
thats why we can’t stop supporting, promoting, loveing and protecting them if necessary. they have the right to make a decent living and take a break from work too. they shouldn’t be treated like slaves or property
@Flower
Homin is an abbreviation of YunHO and ChangMIN. I don’t ever refer to them as being TVXQ because as far as I am concerned that was the old 5 member group. They all said on various occasions that if it was any member less then the five the group could never be called TVXQ. Then JYJ left and suddenly Homin developed selective amnesia about that.
it’s so touching… I cry…
So, sick of this BS in which people try to justify the defenders of the name ( the name who, by the way, no one ever tried to or will ever try to take away from them). each one of us make our bed and lie in it…everyone chose. now, the smallest decency that the defenders of the name could have shown for the last 3-4 years, would be for that snotty fellow and the super manly man to keep their mouths shut, but instead they went around the shows spewing shit. this is why I am upset. they were perfectly aware of the suffering that our boys went through, but that didn’t stop them to add salt to the wounds repeatedly. no, not even a bit. so spare me with your arguments that try to rationalize them.
@daebaksama
I think this is why Jaejoong spoke about the betrayal by those closest to him as having been so emotionally scarring. Up to now all we’ve had is Homin’s version: various scathing remarks on TV and in the newspapers. And of course all the rumors. The members existed in a vacuum information wise – we just had to use our best guesses.But I think it’s wrong to say “we didn’t know anything that was going on.” Many of us have taken the time to do the research and we have known quite a bit for a long time now. Interesting to find out now we were right on the money. How many of us here were completely taken aback and shocked by reading of the members’ ordeal? Not many of us, I’m guessing.
at least now they are free to do and chose even though they are paying a price because of the problems with this company.i think time will tell what the outcome will turn out to be. as for us we shall have to support all that jyj is to us..three hardworking artists that deserve to be heard their way. my love and support always to jyj and my jaejoonie
@carmen janet
” my love and support always to jyj and my jaejoonie”
Mine too. 🙂
i imagine they make less money when they dramas than whe they sell albums …right? does someone know for sure?thanks for the reply sister lilibaiyu
@carmen janet
They make a LOT of money on dramas. I think they are both now in the range of $35,000 to $85,000 USD per episode. I think Chunnie is on the higher end of the scale. Then when the drama is sold for broadcast in other countries they make even more. It is all negotiated by their agency, everything is negotiable. The members have now proved themselves to be A List stars – those performers who can guarantee viewership by their appearance in a drama. That’s why the money figures are so big.
@Carmen Janet
Oops, P.S. to what I wrote earlier about the dramas — And then, when the dramas are put out for sale on DVDs they make even more.
🙂
Agree! Wake up and think what’s in the real life work.
I’m upset too, some cmts make me sick too friend. If I have a magic like HARRY POTTER, I wish I can let who add more salt to our boys wounds will be go through the suffering like our boys. Then they can fell what’s meaning of unfair and betray so they will shut their mouth.
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One hour reading …..and my emotion is like riding a roller coaster …. Reading the article makes me cry a river … Reading the comment makes me laugh, sad, smile, proud and cry again. This is like watching a movie from a real story ( and it is real for sure). Some comments from our sisters are so good and some makes me wonder.
But I am so glad and happy that the three of them made that decision and stick to it. Look what happen to them now … a very successful young men, recognize and loves by the people all over the world.
With that..I am so very PROUD to be JYJ fan and thanks to my daughter for introducing Jaejoong to me.
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@carmen janet
Yeah sweetheart ME too
I totally support our JYJ more than TV2XQ cause they need us more than HoMin
you asked where am from?well,I’m from IRAQ (Arab world),it’s shocking ha!!!!
iraq? wow far from for sure…i watch alot of you tube videos by arab fans…they are the best at making those jaejoonie videos. as for sm company they better pay what they owe jyj, its only fair.
@lilibaiyu, @butterfliesarefree2
I am a silence reader, but I love your comments friends. That’s rock friends. Specially the comment lilibaiyu response to Daisy.
To be honest, when I read some articles in the past HM cmts somethings very bad about JYJ and these cmt hurt JYJ a lot, I didn’t borther spend time to listen their songs or their activities any more. The way they behave make me think ” THEY SALE THEIR FRIEND TO BUY THEIR FUTURE”
JYJ cmts something too but they are didn’t mention the name like HM.
@ Daisy
You said : Yunho have to stay to SM bc his family poor, if you read the history of all member of DBSK in the past. Yunho only strungle in his life when he was 15 years old bc his father bankrupts. But JJ left his family and live in Seoul ALONE only when he was 14 years old. He have to sold chewung, lollies… to paid the rents even he didn’t have food to ate, so one day he had to ate the food the customer left in the restaurant. YC his parents divorve, his mother couldn’t take care his sons, so he have to left his little bother in America and came back to Seoul to live with his father. Who are poor and strungle in life more? Yunho or JJ and YC?
Daisy, the reason I have to wrote all information about JJ and YC personal bc I want you to clearly to understand JYJ left SM not about the MONEY, the things they really need are RESPEST, FAIR and FREEDOM. After they worked with SM about 8 years (included trainning time) they didn’t want SM cheat them like idiots or machine make money.
Let I proof to you, Daisy. JYJ win the lawsuits, they settle down with SM but I can’t find any inf. or articles about amount money SM have to paid to JYJ bc SM used dirty tricks in many ways to stop JYJ activites. (Before the court have demand SM have paid JYJ amount money). That mean JYJ didn’t want money from SM, the only thing they want is LEAVE THEM ALONE from now, and not use SM power or money to interupt the media, tv, boardcast station boycotts JYJ like they did in the past. I pray God everyday for JYJ can appear in tv, media… in SK. (bc I read a article JJ said:” he is very sad, JYJ can’t appear in tv so the children from school haven’t known them for FOUR YEARS, they only know them like actors not singers.)
And one more thing Daisy, why JYJ left SM when they was in the TOP of their popular and their career (no any idol group in Kpop can beat them at that perid of time), is that make sense to you now friend.
@ carmen janet
Yeah you’re right!!
where are you from?How old are you?
Did you know that we have a page of kim jaejoong~Arab fan~ on facebook and it’s almost 10,000 visitor just for Jae
Thanks 4 everyone of u who respond my comment
Lili, I really appreciate ur hard work to find the answer & proof 4 me
As u know I’m just a new fan
At 1st my FB friend told me abt KYHD
Then I’ve searched abt TVXQ and found the other very talented members
Sure I was searching why they separated. My FB friends lead me to the truth of TVXQ. It was quite shocking n weird.
Even my few cells brain can’t buy what they wrote. Then I’ve searched everywhere abt TVXQ & JYJ. I found out abt slavery contract, arbitrary, banning, but didn’t find any ‘legit proof’ that stand up 4 JYJ. I know it’s just my lack to do the research.
My FB friends were so active to promote TVXQ & bring JYJ down. Those 5 r charming, but I do still have ears right, my ears won’t lie which voice that I can enjoy. I’m enchanted w/ those 3 talented boys.
U r right lili, I’m here 4 the sake of music.
But I’ve been based by those ‘friends’. All of u must know what words they spelled.
By reading ur responds, it’s so painful 4 the boys. I can figure it out now (n so upset abt it).
I guess u guys r insulted w/ my request n question. I’m really sorry n don’t mean to open the old pain. I appreciate ur responds to me.
I do agree to bury this pain and move forward to shoot JYJ’s dream to be on TV. I’m w/ u
Peace
@vien
Oh, my pleasure to help in any way I can. And if you really feel like delving in, I recommend the JYJFiles for all the background info you could wish for and it’s reliable. http://thejyjfiles.wordpress.com
For a bit lighter reading and things you can do to help JYJ now, see this page: http://thejyjfiles.wordpress.com
Cheers!
I have been their fan since they were in TVXQ and i loved all five members and i still do. I love both 2VXQ and JYJ and im not changing my mind. To tell you sincerely, none of us really know the truth about what went on between the five members. I feel that they both chose the path they wanted. Just because your friend want something doesn’t mean you follow them. What JYJ felt was unfair 2VXQ felt they could endure. I like that JYJ stood up for what they felt was right to do but at the same time i feel tht 2VXQ just didn’t want to go through that hardship and chose to stay, that is the decision they felt was right for them. If JYJ do not criticize them for making their own decision why r u the fans doing that. Right now i think both 2VXQ and JYJ fans are baised for their group. Each fan based is trying to find the problem with the other group while the problem is with the company. Let me truly ask you all if have a good friend and she is saying bad things about other people does it mean that you are the one saying it, just like 2VXQ and SM entertainment these are two different people just cause SM is bashing JYJ doesn’t mean so is 2VXQ. And seriously 2VXQ might have stood up for JYJ but how would yall know because during the whole trial neither side really said anything publically except SM trying ways to keep JYJ with them. I just think both sides allowed the adults to get between them because they felt they need to choose. Every choice cones with expectations and challenges and their made them split. So i believe that yall also need to side with 2VXQ because they also lost something through out this whole thing. Also, no one knows the real situation as they say every story has two sides and from what i see everyone is telling the story from their side and what went on. So far 2VXQ haven’t officially said anything abt what has gone on.
@Blackbeauty
” none of us really know the truth about what went on between the five members. ”
But you see, we DO know and have known for a while all sorts of things about what happened. And now with the new information contained in the above article, we know even more. Did you read it? Did you follow the trial? Have you done research on JYJFiles? Homin said all sorts of things right from the start – they’re all out there, on the internet in various places, waiting to be read. There was also much to be learned in the lyric content of JYJ’s songs. Have you seen the translation of Yuchun’s “Unnamed Song?” Pretty detailed info there…
But now a question for you: where did you first hear the phrase “none of us really know the truth about what went on between the five members”? The reason I ask is because it’s one of the catch-phrases or slogans of so many OT5s. If I’ve heard it once I’ve heard it a hundred times in the last 3 years. It’s really quite odd – same exact wording and everything. And the funny thing is, it couldn’t be more wrong. Voluminous information about the members, their feelings, the trial, the participation of SM’s horde of propaganda spreaders to defame JYJ, all of it, all of it has been so well documented over the last almost 4 years as long as you’re willing to do the research.
Of course I would never tell you who you can like and who you can’t. That’s always going to be a personal choice because we all like different music, artists, etc. And yet that’s another thing I’ve noticed about OT5s and these slogan-like sayings of theirs. They invariably tell us we HAVE to “support all five members.” Why would that be? What if I just don’t like Homin’s music? Do I have to say I do? Do I have to spend money on SM product when I know that money will be going towards further pay-offs to keep JYJ off TV in S. Korea and continued salaries to kids who have jobs sitting in internet cafes spreading misinformation about JYJ? Are you spending money on SM product? How is that truly “supporting JYJ” while the ban of their appearances on TV and radio is still in effect? You really need to think things like this through. And of course, you need to do the research because it’s out there, waiting to be read. It has been for a long time now. 🙂
I made up that slogan up and didn’t pick it up from anyone. I don’t think that what SM did was right in anyway. I do not support the ban, i feel like the ban should have died when JYJ won the case. Also i do not spend money on anything anymore. I have been researching and all are get is pieces of the story from what others are saying. I did read JYJ information and i support them in everything. I just truly like both groups thats all. I guess maybe i am too attached to them that i can’t seem to choose.
@Blackbeauty
“I just truly like both groups thats all. I guess maybe i am too attached to them that i can’t seem to choose.”
No, that’s cool that you like both – there’s just nothing wrong with liking who you like, ever. I don’t care for Homin but that’s my choice. (I also like many other singers that my friends don’t care for so much) This thing about the catch-phrases is really driving me crazy though – I really want to know what the deal is with them. How can so many people be saying the exact same thing over and over all of this time? Anyway, thanks for your response. (So glad you’re not buying SM product!) 🙂
Thank you for your response also and i understand abt the catch phrases i will try not to use it so much.
I am unable to see the pictures. 😦
i can’t see the pictures!!!!! admin please can you fix this problem..i probably wouldn’t be able to sleep thinking what was written there..just by looking at all the comments of the people here it is sure a pretty intense thing…pretty please…thanks
I have read and now understand we just need to know that their love for each other as a group did not stop but the decision was made for whatever reason which I do not need to know to stay or to go I support with love and understanding and pray for healing hearts and much success for all 5 love does not stop just because your sister or brother or friends made a decision that you did not agree with real love harbors no hate but support and understanding I love my JYJers and tvsq and from this moment on I so pray for peace. Remember. One heart, one mind three voices. Xoxoxoxo
i agree with you….they support each other even they are apart.though i will always hope the can come together someday even if its for a cause or special event..would that be nice?
@carmen janet
Oh, really? Is that true? They support each other though apart? I must have missed something then… When and what did you hear of Homin supporting the members of JYJ?
“When and what did you hear of Homin supporting the members of JYJ?”
I would like an answer to that question as well. Interesting how no one is able to supply a clear example of this, not even one. I just don’t plan on holding my breath waiting for that to happen.
i’m not very good with computers but people have been spreading pictures of yunho and changmin pics(facebook) in which jyj junsu showing showing a #1 ,jaejoong #2 chunnie # 3..then a separate picture changmin showing a #4 and yunho #5. in another pic.that was being spread around should changmin and yunho holding jaejoongs new album each with a thumbs up.on youtube a reporters cel. wen on with one of jajoonies song, yunho hears smiles and makes a gester with his hand showing a phone sign with his hand and shaking his head in approval while smiling.had i know a little more about computers i would have post it for…sorry sweetie. but you can enter myfb and take a look….carmen janet.(sultrykindred)
@carmen Janet
I’m not finding you on FB. Could you post links to the pages you mentioned? I think the photos of albums may be photo-shopped. People who want to make a point not actual in reality just photoshop their point till it comes out the way they want things to be, as I’m sure you know. And I was rather hoping for something a little more solid than YH “smiling and shaking his head” during a song by Jaejoong… Making the telephone sign with his hand seems odd because Jaejoong has said he has repeatedly been unable to contact either of them although if YH was in a public setting, he could have done it in order to get past an awkward situation.
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I’m so happy that this magazine so clearly points out JYJ chose to leave SM while they were at the peak of their success, & therefore at the peak of their potential incomes, & that they were approached by several other companies offering them huge wads of money to sign with them but they turned them down – although even this probably won’t stop the filthy lies of ignorant peeps who keep saying JYJ left SM because they were greedy.
@Sappphire
It’s ignorance with the sharp edge of an agenda, Sapphire. These are the people who wanted JYJ to fail, who believed the lies told to them by SM and their confederates Precious and Forever. They wanted JYJ to fail so they would return to SM and be 5 members of DBSK again.Well, it didn’t happen. And we now know that the label of “Greedy” was reserved clearly and only for SM Entertainment, who could very easily have avoided all of this unhappiness and trouble if they had been a stand up, honest business ready to be fair to their entertainers after all their hard work and all of their success. But they weren’t. They were dishonest, greedy assholes who lied to JYJ’s faces in such a way that there was no doubt in anyone’s mind that they WERE lying. They were greedy AND arrogant. They thought they held all the cards. That their threats would scare JYJ into relenting. But they were wrong again. And, as we have seen, they were wrong a few other times too.
JYJ3 is the only place where the true history, that SM try to hide nd make forget about with their media play , is graved
Thank you JYJ3
Well, not the only place. 🙂 Here is another: https://www.facebook.com/StandUp4Jyj