CJeS Entertainment asserts that LOEN Entertainment is committing unjust tyranny and released a letter of plea.
On July 9th, CJeS Entertainment argues through a press release: “With just six days left until the release of XIA (Junsu)’s second full album, we received a unilateral notice from the distributor, LOEN Entertainment, on the afternoon of July 8th.”
CJeS Entertainment states, “Following the decision of (LOEN’s) executive team, the verbal contract that has been in the making for two months has been rendered obsolete.” LOEN Entertainment states, “We will conduct XIA (Junsu)’s online and offline distribution but we will not do any promotional marketing outside of the distribution.” LOEN continues in their notice, “This was the decision of our internal executive team so we wish for your understanding. As for the XIA showcase for MelOn customers, the live stream will not be available through LOENTV and MelOn.”
On the actions of LOEN, CJeS comments, “We are unable to proceed with other contracts with favorable terms. They have cornered us and used their power unjustly on us.”
CJeS continued, “We can clearly say that we have constantly been faced with invisible external pressures directed at JYJ and will not sign any agreement even with the tyranny of the power distributor.
CJES revealed their stance, “The aforementioned has maliciously used their advantageous position as a distribution business and unilaterally annulled a business to business consultation. We will file a civil complaint against LOEN with the Fair Trade Commission and Anti-Corruption & Civil Rights Commission. We will do everything in our power to seek justice.”
CJES also emphasized, “If LOEN does not reaffirm the promise of conducting a live stream of the showcase on MelOnTV by today, then showcase will not be open to MelOn customers but will be managed by CJeS. We plan to admit people by order of arrival and will broadcast a live stream through the official CJeS channel. We wish to extend our apologies to the fans for this regrettable news, and promise to do our best to facilitate a smooth showcase and distribution.”
Below is CJeS Entertainment’s official announcement
Hello.
This is CJeS Entertainment.
For the release of XIA (Junsu)’s 2nd album on the 15th, we, CJeS Entertainment (hereafter CJeS) have received a sudden unilateral and unfair decision by the distribution company LOEN Entertainment (hereafter LOEN) regarding the online and offline distribution of XIA’s album. We would like to tell the following facts to the fans and the public about this unlawful situation.
Since May, the company has been in business consultation with LOEN regarding the release of XIA’s album and both parties have verbally agreed on the distribution agreement.
We then met with officials more than 5 times and have exchanged at least 50 mails about the distribution of XIA’s 2nd album. In addition, 15 days ahead of the album release, CJeS and LOEN had finally decided to proceed with the final decision for the following promotional and marketing strategies (1. MelOn live TV event of the showcase for MelOn customers. 2. MelOn special video part 3. Overall PR marketing for each of the five major online music distribution sites)
However, yesterday evening, LOEN’s side gave a notice of unilateral decision overturning the entire contents of what we have agreed so far. LOEN said, “we will proceed with the online and offline distribution for XIA, but decided to fully nullify other promotion and marketing activities.”, it was stated. Also, LOEN said, “This is an internal executive decision, please understand the situation. In case of the Melon live TV event of the showcase, it is no longer possible.”
However, the showcase began at the suggestion of LOEN. LOEN has stated both on emails and face to face meetings last June that, “CJeS Entertainment and LOEN will do the showcase on MelOn since web and mobile exposure can reap huge publicity for the album.” The showcase was explained, we accepted the reason,, and the final decision to proceed with the showcase c/o of LOEN instead of a major internet portal site. On July 3rd, before the final press release about the showcase was distributed to the media, we shared with LOEN the contents of the data, and at that time, LOEN said, “It would be good if you mention about LOEN TV and MelOn TV.” We accepted this and replied, then distributed the press release to the media. However, LOEN officials decided that the TV event of the showcase in MelOn is not possible, 6 days before the showcase which is an obvious act of tyranny.
Also, LOEN’s statement that they will nullify all promotional marketing strategies while distributing the album online and offline, which comes a mere six days before the release date, is like saying that they will gain the profits from XIA (Junsu)’s fans but will not take on the responsibilities of the distributor of XIA (Junsu)’s second solo album.
For the last 2 months, LOEN have done business for album distribution of XIA (Junsu) with the 2nd track of XIA (Junsu) album, 11 am, producing and filming the special clip as well as the overseas distribution on iTunes was also provided. This marketing was not in the agreement, but it can be seen looking at the consultations between both sides (contracts in progress), as both sides exchanged a lot of emails and letters and phone communication, which can be regarded as evidence.
However, after a pre-release on July 2nd, the showcase that was agreed upon through emails and meetings saw its banner disappearing without a trace from (MelOn’s) web and mobile main pages. Even though XIA (Junsu)’s music video teaser was revealed on July 8th, there was still no trace of the banner. For artists who are using LOEN’s distribution services at the same time as Junsu, We can easily find banners of those artists on MelOn’s web and mobile pages. However, all of XIA (Junsu)’s contents disappeared from MelOn’s main pages since July 4th.
Receiving the notice from LOEN last night, CJeS’ planning team felt that the contents of LOEN’s promotional contents were being destroyed. Additionally, giving us this notice with just six days left until the release is like cornered us and using their power unjustly on us. We strongly opposed their decision through an official document, but LOEN’s reply was that nothing will be changed.
The aforementioned has maliciously used their advantageous position as a distribution business and unilaterally annulled a business to business consultation. We will file a civil complaint against LOEN with the Fair Trade Commission and Anti-Corruption & Civil Rights Commission. We will do everything in our power to seek justice.”
Source: Newsen via Nate
Translated by: Ruby(@rubypurple_fan) of JYJ3 and @ohmyjunsu
Shared by: JYJ3
Latest update [7pm KST]: The main issue is both parties supposedly agree that Junsu’s showcase will be aired via MelOn TV because Junsu is having a hard time appearing on broadcasts. If LOEN says that they don’t have an agreement, then why would LOEN proceed with getting pre-orders and selling Junsu’s album. C-Jes asked LOEN to reply by tonight July 9. If no reply was received, they will invite fans to the showcase and those who applied via melon will not be allowed to attend the showcase. (via @rubypurple_fan)
because of JYJ, i lost my appetite for nth time…
i never knew become a part of fandom can be this exhausting….
God bless you JYJ…
I know “He” will bless you guys…
They USED HIM
LOEN USED HIM
This is worse than SBS incident, FAR WORSE.
This is too much on Junsu, too much, he must be horribly hurting.
Junsu’s feelings Are Directly connected to this Horrible event, his heart must be tearing apart.
I seriously hope he has no clue about it yet, since they are on some kind of vacation right now, but I doubt it very much. This is truely horrible, as you say!! I feel so much anger and don’t know where to direct it to.
I can’t help but wonder if they knew when they left for France or wherever they are now? Is this why JJ looked so upset? Is this why they disappeared? I don’t have twitter so I don’t know if they reemerged or not. Note to myself, this maybe time to get twitter. But I honestly can’t imagine they don’t know about something so important. I think they like being in charge of their careers and deciding things.
To be honest, I didn’t see a difference in JJ facial expression, but that’s maybe just me ^^ I guess they disappeared to have simply some free time, like last year (was it last year, hmmm) they disappeared in LA for vacation? Mhm… I actually also don’t think they don’t know…
What’s the SBS incident again? 😦
SBS invited Junsu among other idols to come Sing on stage. The event was an opening for Para games and the opening is broadcast by SBS. So everyone, including fans who bought the tickets, believed this is it, Junsu would perform his Tarantallegra Album on TV. SBS mistreated him. They first let him be last to perform, then the host , introduce a pop group performing before him as the last performer when Junsu was still in the list of performers. Then when it was Junsu’s turn to come on Stage, While Junsu walked on stage to perform his songs, in front of his face, the camera crew started turning off the cameras. and in front of everyone too. Fans cried at that moment disbelieving how they mistreated him in front of public eye. SBS camera crew, turning it off in his face was to humiliate him publicly in front of everyone. His parents were there too. Even Bruce Vandeever couldn’t contain how upset he was when he learned of the incident and tweeted. Junsu didn’t cry or break, he just performed professionally as the camera men were packing up.
Allot of fans came to para games because SBS tricked fans into buying the tickets to come see Junsu. SBS Broadcast, made it look like Junsu’s fans came for the other idols.
@kalus
remembering that is so bitter. that sbs time was the time i cried so much. but our Junsu just kept going. he even tweeted tweets encouraging fans. his positiveness! i love him for that.
“On the night of October 8, JYJ’s Kim Junsu tweeted, “Although I wasn’t able to make it on the broadcast, because it was a place where I could meet with all of you, it was a very enjoyable and meaningful experience. I hope that everyone will remember that happy feeling and get home safely. ^^ I love you.”
He later added, “I don’t know since when, but I’ve become so earnest in meeting with you all. The broadcast doesn’t matter to me. I love all of you who were there with me today.” credit: jyj3
Yeah, I recall.
He was so wounded, I could feel it by the way he tweeted twice. It matters to him, he said many times in interviews he wants to perform on TV. When he was dissed that day, He hurt allot, but he didn’t want his fans to hurt for him so he told them it doesn’t matter.
I remember that very cleary, sitting in Kyoto, reading this news while in the communal room of the hostel and screaming, nearly cried… my friend who was with me still mentions it from time to time… god, I was so unbelievably pissed and still am thinking about it, like everyone here!!
but honestly I don’t see many idols (even TVXQ, SJ and other SM idols) getting what Junsu was “promised” from LOEN
1. Showcase for Melon users, and the broadcast of the even live on MelonTV
2. Participation in a Melon Special Video
3. Promotional marketing strategies for the distribution of music to 5 online music sites
it was too good to be truth.
other idols get a lot more, I’m sorry. Junsu would only have Melon as a broadcasting platform, while other idols have ANY major TV program to choose from, including ALL the variety shows. And now Loen even takes this tiny bit of exposure away from him. Bastards.
What the hell … Junsu-ya sob sob sob … weyooooo is this happening
sigh~ just when fans see a glimpse of light on JYJ performing on tv.. this is just so sad..
CjeS, do whatever you have to in Junsu’s best interest! We will continue our support for Junsu/JYJ!!!!!
Signed!!!
Lol I’m signing too! Whilst this news might have dampened spirits I don’t think it has dampened JYJ and Junsu’s success in the same way. Companies sticking their size 16 feet in…well, we’ll all play by the rules and make sure those size 16 feet land on one big needle. 🙂
For me it’s not so much that my spirit is dampened, it’s just, IT’S ENOUGH, ENOUGH ALREADY FOR FREAKIN’ SAKES!! I’m always think, don’t they have some moral codes, general manners, these are supposed to be grown ups, how can someone live his life being just a person, all of them?? WAAHHH, sorry, for my rant, ehem ^^ but I also think you are right with them being still very successful!! Sorry again (>‿◠)✌
Why this shit keep coming during Junsu Album Promotion????
Someone behind this????
They afraid of Junsu and JYJ????
How JYJ are going to release their album??????
Lucky that they cannot touch Junsu Musical work.
Junsu Fighting….. JYJ Fighting…
even after this junsu will sell lots of albums and overcome everything that comes his way. JUNSU FIGHTING ! ❤
What the fxxxxxxck why our boys still get this kind of treatment. hope cjes will find another excelent marketing method for our boys
“They” are really afraid that JYJ members will be awarded with year end music awards!!! They are trying by all means to ensure it, using the invisible unhanded power.
Unfortunately, even CJes can distribute the album on their own but in order to get charting and ranking on awards, you still need those “official” channel to be recognized.
Wait…we don’t need Korean charts or ranking to kill their ill intention. Look at Psy…how many millions views on YT? Junsu needs exposure and I want the whole world to know our guys have talent…more than others. After we achieve World Ranking, than we can punch those so called powerful lords of the Korean entertainment industry to the oblivion ….ggrrrrrrr \(# w #)p
mission mood on, now just waiting for the mv……… GRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!
‘They’ try to ruined our boy AGAIN?!!!! HOW RUDE, ALMOST COUNTDOWN…..but ‘they’ don’t know how strong our prince is. just show them that SK music chart just b********t, who cares, XIA YOU ARE NOT THEIR LEVEL, JUST BELIEVE THAT ALL OF US SUPPORT U 100%.
CJes, thank u for your kindness.
Don’t worry, i think the tiger is already afraid of their cubs.
Ohhh JUNSU, be strong, don’t give up. we always with u baby.
When does this invisible external pressures will stop bothering JYJ its been four years and the boys and fans still standing so please invisible external pressure (sm) just give up ’cause we and JYJ are never going to give up.
This pressure will never stop for our boys. The music industry does not want more performers doing what JYJ did to better themselves because it would be a big loss of money for them, plus they get pressure from other EXTERNAL entertainment companies. Plus, we know that SME has enough money to forever do this blocking to JYJ.
Did you say verbal contract ok sisters and fandom lets post everywhere I mean the release date of the album I will mark to face book twitter accounts lets get cracking.
They Mean to Break Junsu so he would STOP making Albums, They are afraid he’d swoop all awards if he appeared on Music shows.
SBS punished him the same way last year, Promise him Air time, get his hopes up, and then crush him with lies and diciest. BACKSTABBERS, USED HIM and threw him away, those backstabbers.
This is planned, Why 6 days before Tour start ? so they break him apart, before the start of his Tour. So he would give up making MV’s and albums.
This is sever punishment. Soo Man must be behind this. maybe he is friends with LOEN CEO or just one call from SM and its done.
The pen is mightier then the sword so crack open Ipads computers and post like the dickens so that they know JYJ fandom entertainment will not let our boys down can someone find out how much it cost to run adds in Korea/Japanese/Thailand/China major newspapers also tabloids are great for getting points across we need to get this story to the media about the failure to promote our baby as Xia Junsu is a huge deal in the musical world this will not sit well
I tried to post the newsen artckle, Dongbandata has update and translated from Newsen
http://www.newsen.com/news_view.php?uid=201307091722410910
this is from 10 Asia
http://www.tenasia.com/archives/64032
This is LOEN’s twitter
https://twitter.com/LOEN_MUSIC
Yes! I have been blasting JYJ music on my subwoofer speakers here in England recently in the hope that I can introduce more fans of these amazing boys as people walk past the park behind my house kekeke. As a fan I also feel so much determination, love and support for Junsu even more so right now. Let’s do this, I think and hope Junsu knows that he has so much support!! Perhaps this is something LOEN and SM have been scared of…that the boys are so successful worldwide! Keep going JYJ & CJeS!
Where one door closes a thousand more open
amien…
correct!!!
Amen
Exactly correct!
absolutely……
lets pray for it together
i believe in that. a bad event, just means that something good of equal effect is going to happen. May God bless Junsu and his music.
THAT’s perfect. WE alone -as fans- can encourage Junsu’s 2nd album.
Stop doing such awful things to JYJ………………….
Even if JYJ memebers had sell out of 500000 album via Cjes direct distribution, They will be robbed of the year end awards without going through the “official” channel!
It is no longer the profit margin but their talent being recognized!
God bless you JYJ and protect you. I will pray for Yuchun, Jae and Junsu.
(I am crying …… )
not again, I was sooo happy when I saw the 11am clip on melon
Such a coward move by LOEN. Just right after the boys leaving Korea, they suddenly announced this?
JUNSU be strong!
JYJ figthing!
Obviously Cjes is trying their best to provide all possible incentive to Leon, hence all MV were given to Leon you tube channel plus live streaming…etc, Sadly, the invisible hand work so much harder and managed to put a stop to it even!!!
Those above are my opinions.
this, is one of the reason i hate politics. my mind is too naive to cooperate. i don’t know how people have the heart to do this curse thing…
sometimes i hate the world, and men…
Yes, POWER play, unfortunately is the business world.
Yes, selfish, self-centered, egomaniacal, pityfull business ppl!
this news make me feel like hacking all the tv station in korea on 15th july…so we can see jyj on tv again… maybe in my dream hhehehe
I know right if only we can still air time on every radio station to play the song 1 every 2 hours to give people a desire for it then we can hit all these back deals where it hurt.
These are my thoughs…(; ̄ェ ̄)
I’m tired of ppl making up the minds for others. Loen put on ur “BIG BOY PANTS” and do something that other company’s couldn’t due to help promote JYJ. If, i had a company I would not hesitant taking the chance to help promote JYJ or any of JYJ solo activities. I’m so tired of entertainment companies fearing they’ll lose other major companies business w/ the ppl their used to doing frequent business with. In the end it’ll be THERE lost because JYJ will bring more viewers more money and a lot more interest for the public. LOEN seriously has their balls cramp in a bunch! ( ̄▽ ̄)
ψ(`∇´)ψ Wtf! I don’t see how LOEN are willing to be the distributors for Junsu solo and not do any PR! The way I see it! Is if you want to be the “Distributor”, you must also do the PR! It’s a package deal. Both goes hand and hand. Because if LOEN only becomes the distributor that means they’ll be bring in the “$” (How is that fair?!) ( ̄Д ̄)ノ← if, they help PR Junsu solo that will benefit CJes. My point is “if, you scratch my back, I’ll scratch yours”! CJes should be able to get something in return for this whole mess. CJes management skills are also very poor. They should made written contract for the terms they wanted. I do agree they have JYJ best interest in heart but they do not think about the consequences that may happen in the future whether it’ll be a positive or negative consequence.I really don’t get how CJes managements operates, I think JYJ fans has better managements skills when it comes to taking care of JYJ (─‿‿─)…But, I do compliment (^ー^)ノCJes for being able to put up with this shit! And, taking the much needed action they can do. I know that not every company can’t be perfect. Every company has there flaws and I do appreciate the things they’ve done for JYJ in the past but I wish they did things more properly. As for LOEN………grow some “Balls”…o(`ω´ )o
this is absolutely ridiculous!!!!!!! , after 4 years of suffering they still have to go through this crap , something needs to be done about the shady and backhanded things that are going on in order to stop jyj from reaching their goal
( jyj must have felt hopeful about this agreement but guess they will be extremely saddened by this news in france) so heartbroken !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Im so sad!!!!! TT___TT our junsu is suffering from time to time… he has faced another cruelity this time!!! this is enough!!! please leave junsu alone. Dont make him/JYJ in pain again!!! we dont need u LOEN!!!
junsu, please be strong. I know u’re stronger than us. but still TT___TT
Junsu : Like I always did..Let’s laugh away…^^People say there is nothing more difficult than being loved by everyone..If so, we must be walking in the right path..right? Woorie Jaeoongie hyung..and woorie Yoochun.. Let’s work just a bit more harder..just a little bit more. Woorie members, I love you and am always thankful to you~
#it’s junsu’s twitter update last year. we know they (JYJ) have faced hard time for years… JYJ FIGHTING!!
Just when i thought they had a possibility of going on music programmes.. Is it possible to buy junsu’s album without going thru loen?! Its feels like they are just making use of him!
I also want to know this…I saw on LOEN’s Youtube “Incredible” teaser MV that a Junsu fan commented not to buy the music from iTunes but to buy in CD format instead. This is what I have seen only, I’m not certain about the truth of this myself…but I hope there’s a way!
Back from lurker mode special for my boys… sorry for my language…
f************** you…. for people who hurting my boys!!!!!!
For my boys…
The greatest glory in living lies not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall. (Nelson Mandela)
If a big company like Loen not keep his word
we can expect from others
Fans were excited about the live broadcast of the event
Loen Buuuuuuuuuuu
As we say in Chile left us ready and rowdy
I guess with how big our Junsu must have a row of companies that can perform this task.
Junsu sold because the event is not transmitted if
also gain
As said CJeS Since May, the company has been in business LOEN regarding consultation with the album’s release Xia and both parties have verbally agreed a distribution contract.
Agreement:
1. Melon Live TV Display client event.
2. Special MelOn parte video
3. Global Marketing Public Relations Pará Each of the five major music distribution sites online
This deserves a great demand from CJeS
My written English is not so good if I was wrong I’m sorry
“- as greedy, mean, and ruthless as SM”
“- as spineless and treacherous as Avex and Loen”
“- as cowardly and submissive as the Korean mass media”
Okay those of us who live outside of Korea should find ways to promote Junsu and JYJ in our own countries, that way even if they are not on the Korean charts they can be on the international ones. And frankly we should boycott any artist LOEN does promotes! BE STRONG JUNSU AND JYJ WE GOT YOUR BACKS!
i hope international fans will do something on this,, if they cant promote in korea at least fans can promote internationally. JYJ fans all over the world should unite this time to promote the boys and do some plan to do it with strategies..
I’ll be cranking up the volume on my subwoofer speakers and blasting JYJ’s music even more frequently now….support and love to JYJ from England !
This is all BS!!!!! I feel Leon planned to do this all alone or someone got to them!! It is a shame that it is hard to find someone you really can trust!!! So I am assuming we should stop viewing Junsu 11am and incredible teaser on Leon YT channel but go back to viewing it on CJES YT channel.
no matter how they play those dirty tricks,they won’t be able to stop Xia and JYJ..As in the old saying,”you can’t stop the Sun by covering it with mud”..our kids will shine on forever cause they’re onthe right track..Fighting babies we are beside you!
For the sake of neptunus, didn’t CJeS learn anything from the past? ~sigh wanna cry n so upset. It’s obvious SM is behind this. Why nobody brave enough to against SM T_T aaarrghhhhhh
i dont want to talk about money but can you imagine the big bucks cjes must have offered loen in the first place, after all these years of banishment they would’ve offered a pretty decent amount of money just to have some PR for once and LOEN would’ve obviously knowing JYJs situation demanded a good cut and YET SM still manages to whoop their ass to BACK OUT OF A BUSINESS CONTRACT ALREADY MADE! and last minute! i hope they get their arses sued so bad they actually feel something since i doubt they even give a shit that JYJ Fans know how shameful they are, it doesnt even hurt them. the only thing that does in this business seems to be money, which is the cause of all this in the first place, butthurt LSM losing out on his biggest cashcow slaves. ARGHHHHH its all so annoying #ExhaustedJYJFan
Big companies do not want to see JYJ live on TV
Why? What is it they fear?
Something strange happened here
I want to see JYJ on TV
It’s been several years since the last time
JYJ ¡FIGHTING!
¡FIGHTING¡ ¡FIGHTING! ¡FIGHTING¡ ¡FIGHTING! ¡FIGHTING¡ ¡FIGHTING!
¡FIGHTING¡ ¡FIGHTING! ¡FIGHTING¡ ¡FIGHTING!¡FIGHTING¡ ¡FIGHTING!
they are affraid to JYJ’s power if they comeback to the real place. i believe it.
NO
NO
NO
NO
NO
dont worry guys, it means that they are afraid of JYJ hahaha,, dont worry CJES the fans will still support Junso with Leonent help or not.. i tried to read any comment on Junso video in Leonent channel but i cant read anything maybe its all negative attacts to Leonent hahaha..
Time will come that they will appear on TV i know in the future there is someone who will help them without any fear..
Junsu be Strong..Cjes be Strong..and we are fans also be strong!! this is not the first time we find this matter..!!
Just remember that “something that cannot beat you, can make you more stronger!!”
So, JUNSU HWATINGGG!!!! \>W</
I also agree minomushi.
Junsu and jyj must be strong.
STAY STRONG KIM/XIA/XIAH JUNSU.
We are, and will always, be at the back of you.
JUNSU hwaiting! JYJ hwaiting! ❤ ❤ ❤
My tears have started to flow. It’s 3:35 am in the USA, and I am reminded of last winter, when Junsu had to stand in the cold and wait for his appearance at the Para Games in Seoul and the tv cameras cut off as he got on stage. I have been responding to my first notice about Loen on ALLKPOP and to Junsu’s 11 AM video on Youtube, posted by LOENENT. I felt strong for a while, but now I am breaking down….sometimes I am sorry I love JYJ and Junsu. Am I wrong for the pain I feel….please talk to me
not only u… many JYJers and junsu’s fans is in a big pain right now, and i think junsu is the most in pain, but as we know he is the strongest in the group. Let just support him, show him the time when his album is released , we are here/there to support him.
right now i wanna crying too, im in pain. me too, still remember the pain about the problem at the Para Games…
oh God, please stop it now, give JYJ the light… so they are not in pain again. 😦
Thank you, I will continue to support Junsu, Micky and Jaejoong…I’m in it for the long haul…just tired right now…..I’ll sleep…maybe…and tomorrow I’ll fight again.
sleep well my friend. 🙂 Lets just laugh and forget it all. God bless u. 🙂
A human being can only bear so much. The TIMING is PLANNED , LOEN IS PUNISHING JUNSU FOR SM.
lets just praying the best for junsu or JYJ… :’) be optimism. Like our Junsu did. We just need to support him. Junsu said, he will continue to sing for the sake of fans. JYJ still have us (fans), dont be afraid! :’)
#JYJ Fighting!!
#Junsu ……Fighting!!!
dont worry too much.. the boys will be ok for sure .. it is not the end, situation like this will make JYJ and fans more stronger..
Yes, you are right, JYJ fighting!!!
Replying today to your post below! It may be possible to forget it, for a while….the news today about the concert is very good!
Sleepwell and don’t cry Bonnie Lou!
Everything will be fine.
God can help us.
Thank you, I slept some, back at work now with a headahe! Another day! This good news about the concert!!! JYJ’s Junsu’s ‘XIA 2ND ASIA TOUR CONCERT INCREDIBLE IN SEOUL’ sells out within 15 minutes! http://www.allkpop.com/article/2013/07/jyjs-junsu-xia-2nd-asia-tour-concert-incredible-in-seoul-sells-out-within-15-minutes …
oh damn i remember what happened during the para games in Seoul…. T_T i wasn’t feeling very well that night when i read the article… I am so sick and tired of all of these problems that keep happening to JYJ
I know. Sometimes I say to myself that choosing to love JYJ and Junsu is like picking the wrong boyfriend, the one that gives you all the grief and tears! I follow some other groups, and I call this my “emotional love” – their music causes so much emotion and their continued problems, too! But, like the wrong boyfriend, I will not give them up!
be strong ^^ junsu showed us how to be positive in front of all these didnt he? he smiled even when those were done to him in the past. let’s be as positive and strong as him.
Thank you for the kind words!
With this kind of heartbreaking news I’m speechless but I remember the Don Moen’s song God can make a way because I believe He will make a way for JYJ now specifically Junsu to be seen on TV… here’s the lyrics
God will make a way
Where there seems to be no way
He works in ways we cannot see
He will make a way for me
He will be my guide
Hold me closely to His side
With love and strength
For each new day
He will make a way
He will make a way
By a roadway in the wilderness
He’ll lead me
And rivers in the desert will I see
Heaven and earth will fade
But His Word will still remain
He will do something new today
How beautiful and spiritual, it’s something Junsu would have said to us…
I somehow expected this kind of problems, unfortunattelly >.<
stil I cannot understand this… ok, SMEnt is very powerfull and if it took out all their idols from the tv stations or distribution companies, those companies would have a problem….
this is the way of thinking that aids JYJ's misery.
but I think otherwise! if ALL of those companies promoted JYJ, SMEnt would have to adjust because SMEnt also needs those channels and distributors. would it create its own television? Hell, no!
so, this is the same old truth – be unanimous, be loyal and you will win for sure. and the cracks in this loyalty give your opponents advantage over you.
why don't they understand this? :[
Ughhhh…the injustice!!! When will JYJ ever get a break??!! Loen,you seriously suck!! I’m sorry,but I’m just so mad at the unfairness here… 😥
Is there something we can do, petition , anything , HIRE A LAWYER ? this can’t be allowed to happen.
Please we need solutions. What do we do, What do we Do? HELP.
we can help when jyj international fans will unite..
I don’t know why I feel this way. But something is telling me if ifans step in and we actually do something powerful, that will make the SK companies blackball them even more. I don’t know why I feel this way. What to do?
i dont know yet what the international fans can do other than supporting them by buying their stuffs and albums.. i hope we can do something about promotion because they need more exposure.
EL and shhh
It’s important now that we find a promoter other than LOEN.
Who can promote him now? America’s music shows ? where , who , how ?
Can we show them his MV teaser to them and ask them to broadcast his MV on their Music shows ???
Is that how things work with American broadcast Stations ?
Hi Kalus/Kris since Loen posted on their website about the showcase is that not a written agreement to the fans and can we not hold them to it or as a fandom file a suit due to false advertisement.
Hey guys…how about VEVO? Can we ask CJeS to upload JYJ MVs there. Can VEVO handle promotion worldwide? We need to find out.
@ greyfox
My mind now is blank, I’m not sure what to do. I can’t think of anything. I read what you said about pen mighter than the pen, but my brain stopped working. I can’t understand what you wrote.
Should we write to LOEN on twitter ? how about hashtag #POP so people who write #POP would learn of this controversy ? is that even a good idea ? here is LOEN’s twitter. They better sign the contract.
I don’t want to hurt Junsu’s career.
https://twitter.com/LOEN_MUSIC
I don’t know how to help for now.
@sempoi, VEVO sounds good! MTV also comes to mind…http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTV, http://www.mtv.com/videos/boa/742959/eat-you-up.jhtml, because MTV features K-Pop artists such as BoA, 2NE1 and Se7en. But I am not knowledgeable with music company rules and situations so I’m not sure if CJeS could approach such companies. As many already know, Junsu worked with Bruce Vanderveer in recent times for the track “Uncommitted” and “Incredible” so perhaps Bruce would be the best source of advice for Junsu in terms of U.S promoters. Bruce has shown really great support for Junsu during other tough times- so go Bruce! You rock!
I agree with those who are having trouble understanding why such an agreement was only verbal, but I suppose it’s more than likely that we don’t know the whole story. I still can’t understand…why do companies such as LOEN and SBS seem to have a vendetta against poor JYJ?
I don’t know the whole story but based of of this aricle alone I’m disappointed in Cjes. Never, I mean NEVER should a person/company ANYTHING hold a verbal contract. NEVER DO THAT. That’s sooo amateur!
This is why they were able to do this! Because they know if they were to be sued for pulling out
the law wouldn’t accept a verbal contract as valid.
Le sigh…poor Junsu. Poor JYJ.
JYJ needs stronger professional backing. A verbal contract? They should know better. Cjes you guys rock for holding JYJ down
but DUDE…come on!
At least they have emails I guess…that should be worth something.
Absolutely agreed with you… what the hell of the verbal agreement… I guess JYJ is rich enough to hire a team with professional concept / knowlege on Contract LAW, at least.
Maybe Cjes tried to get a written agreement but maybe Loen kept putting it off, giving excuses bidding time until they pulled the rug out from under our boys. I believe LOEN knew from the beginning what they were doing, they saw a ways to earn a lot of money and if they kept it on a verbal basis they could do this easily.
I am astonished at this VERBAL CONTRACT! I mean, really? Are we talking about a backyard shop here? In my country, which by the way is a very small dot in the map, you need a WRITTEN CONTRACT for the simplest transaction as hiring a janitor. Is it all that different in S. Korea? Is this really injustice? Or is this stup***y? I’m so sorry for saying that, I’m not a violent person and I don’t usually curse. But right now my little heart is thumping like crazy and if I’m not careful I could be swearing all over the place. To CJes, you seriously need a legal department. There’s a conspiracy going on and has been for the past 4 years… you need to get your act together. I’m sorry if it seems I’m attacking Cjes. I’m really just frustrated and afraid for JYJ.
TRUTH. There is a conspiracy going on and it’s way too big for Cjes to handle. With all they have been going through Cjes KNOWS BETTER TO LET THEIR GUARD DOWN LIKE THAT, and verbally agree to promote Junsu with an outside company. Verbal agreement? No one can prove that? Thank god for those 50 emails though but the rest of it, the face to face no one can prove so it doesn’t exist! Unless there’s a video…where’s google glass when we need it lol.
I thought they have amazing lawyers..i dint get y they cant sign written contract..sigh..cjes
It’s the same story with CGVcinema to show JYJ’s The Day, negotiations were made through meetings and emails but the terms and conditions were not laid on a written contract, duly signed by both parties representatives in a presence of witnesses and lawyers, I don’t know but that’s how business is done here in my country especially in entertainment industry where it involves millions, there’s no such thing as verbal agreement and just exchange of emails (maybe in small time transactions) but not when it comes to talents services and between companies. With the presence of external pressure, at least that written contract is a good shield from the bully.
@kris
I agree this does sound exactly like the movie issue. But regarding verbal agreements. Verbal agreements are not that uncommon and actually precede the written one. What people need to understand about written contracts, especially in an industry that has copyright issues, negotiating the wording takes time. It is not something done overnight.
This whole thing smacks to me of intentional from the beginning. I know people want to come down on CJeS, but try and keep in mind, they also are trying to deal in trust with people. The behind the scenes discussions that took place are not privy to us. Given what was stated above, LOEN apparently used language that was very acceptable. The verbal part was probably to take care of the issue of the album release date.
I know this all sounds miserably familiar, but the one thing those who continue to try and derail JYJ should keep in mind, the resolve of this fandom will trump anything they have to offer. Let us remain strong and show these bloodsuckers who they are dealing with! No weak pansies here!
@ butterfliesarefree2
(I know people want to come down on CJeS, but try and keep in mind, they also are trying to deal in trust with people)
Yes, some people forget who promised a company to broadcast Junsu and lied about it. C-jes is exposing LOEN’s lying.
C-jes isn’t the liar or the tyrant that blocks JYJ, MelOn publicly stated they will brodcast Junsu, and lied to block him. LOEN lies to c-jes to Block Junsu. At this most sensative time, fans need to support C-jes against the lying tyrant blockers LOEN&MelOn and not make up excuses for LOEN to use against C-jes who are the only company in korea who support JYJ with their money and time.
Did some fans forget the Jaejoong’s solo is rocked themed because C-jes doesn’t tell Jaejoong no, and what to do and not what to do. C-jes backed him up, invested and secured concerts in Japan for Jaejoong and JYJ. I don’t see how anyone popularizes C-jes little mistakes, and leave the tyrants who deliberately scheme to block and use and abuse JYJ , safe from bashing. the tyrants that block Jaejoong , Yoochun, and Junsu, are not bashed so fiercely. Are they trying to ruin C-jes’s business reputation instead of Avex and SM ? Like SM wishes. They all bullied C-jes because it took JYJ in. Because if C-jes succeeds, mean good position for JYJ.
JYJ aren’t the only one’s being punished in the industry. Some companies are too cowardly to deal with JYJ, only C-jes has guts and patience to work with JYJ.
Because C-jes has no choice @Kris
C-jes is also bullied and no one would deal with it, let alone sign a contract with it.
Like when SBS invited Junsu to perform on para games, telling him they’ll broadcast. He can’t say no to a broadcast invitation even if he knows they will do something. but he has no choice he had to go with it, or they’ll say, we offered but he declined.
The same with C-jes, no one will sign with it in korea, so they have no choice they have to push the deal verbally (but its, written in e-mails)
Give C-jes some credit all of you please.
At least now C-jes has e-mails to threaten LOEN with. LOEN just responded and it seemed worried C-jes would expose the e-mails next.
Don’t belittle and corner C-jes. Tell me who’s pay for Jaejoong’s concert and allow him the theme of rock ect. C-jes might make mistakes, but so does every company out there. only difference is C-jes isn’t a tyrant like LOEN .
LOEN publicly told fans they support C-jes, there is a their reply from youtube. and there is the MelOn website also informing fans of live brodcast. LOEN and MelOn are tyrant liars like SM. Leave C-jes out of the bashing and anti-feelings. C-jes is the one who support JYJ with their money and time. C-jes manages actors not singers, yet it’s c-jes who risk their neck and get bullied for JYJ. C-jes is like us fans, so please don’t go anti-cjes and leave LOEN and MelOn to block Junsu.
Do you want C-jes to be quite about LOEN Blocking Junsu from Broadcast ?
I’m glad C-jes done this letter, it’s got LOEN wrecked a bit, judging from their response that they are still in discussion process as a reply to this letter.
Bravo C-jes for confronting this giant, we should all back up C-jes and overlook any mistake that LOEN could use to Justify their Block of Junsu from promotions.
Fans think before you write against c-jes.
@Kalus
LOL at your comment especially that Jaejoong part!, and do you intend to bang your head to everyone having different line of thinking from you? Okay suit yourself, I’m not wasting my time with a commenter like you.
@ Kris, what do you have against C-jes ?
Do you want to corner C-jes do diss JYJ finally.
Would that make you happy.
All I asked is overlook anything right now, it’s not the time to highlight against C-jes.
C-jes fights against AVEX in court and SM in Court , and now it’s facing LOEN all FOR JYJ.
A little mercy for C-jes, especially at a time it’s working to secure a promotions contract for JYJ
IF you go against C-jes now, you aid LOEN. LOEN uses excuses and deceit like Broadcast stations to block and prevent JYJ’s broadcast.
NOW is the time to Corner a big company into signing a promotions contract. IF C-jes don’t do this now then when ? 1000 years later ? Now there is an Active album, they need this chance to force LOEN into a corner.
Tell me I’m wrong. go ahead and say LOEN is not wrong to avoid sinning promotions while it profits from the album.
Give LOEN the idea it done no legal mistake. Give loen the excuse it needs to block Jaejoong, yoochun and junsu while C-jes tries to publicly embarrass and hurt LOEN into agreeing to sign on promotions contract.
Yes it did verbal, but to big companies verbal count. Big companies would not like to know one big company like LOEN lies when it talks and doesn’t mean business.
C-jes is hurting LOEN’s business reputation and this will force LOEN to agree to sign the contract.
So don’t make c-jes the target put in the corner instead of LOEN.
I got it you hate c-jes. Who do you want them to manage JYJ then ? SM ? ALL korean companies make mistake and some are blocking JYJ. NO ONE will sign a promotions contract with C-jes for JYJ.
Don’t you understand this by now ?
Please focus on LOEN. we all need to force it into taking responsibility of Junsu’s promotions since it uses him and profits from his album. Our money.
LOEN must abide to it’s promise to C-jes.
Yes, the news that the disappointment was from a verbal contract worried me, too. After all the set-backs they have suffered in the past, you’d think they would be more cautious. But, we don’t really want JYJ and Junsu to be “ball breakers” like the businessmen we meet in our own lives. But, you’d hope they have someone standing up for them and doing the nitty gritty, that business is. I hope we hear more about this soon.
Verbal agreement is a part of a civil law.
as it, it should be obeyed.
this kind of procedure is well-known and established between companies.
therefore, breach of the contract, even if only verbal, can be sued.
Man…
I think all entertainment except cJes are always make problem upon jyj.
JYJ are not toy; they are tryhard and simple boy.When the problem happen; they are in france. It’s so bad.
I think they will not work in france with peace of mind.
So soooo bad entertainment!
And I was there hoping that Junsu could finally promote on tv! Gosh, this is driving me crazy!
Yes, hope miracle happened……..
I have been sitting here in shock for the last hour. I was just checking to see when the showcase broadcast was to be aired and this news has blown my mind. I am an international fan in California, USA and I really can’t sit by and watch something so wrong happen to anyone and as a fan I find the disaapointment in the KPOP commnunity devastating. Yes, the music industry is a business but tricks like this go beyond business or even revenge. LOEn are not afraid that’s why they would do something so shady and underhanded. You know who is afraid? All the other artists, the staff of the other companies and the fans. We are being shown in no uncertain terms that we AND they are powerless to control their own destiny in the music industry. The reason why CJes didn’t sign a contract before now was possibly to avoid being trapped by it into giving Loen exclusive rights to the showcase and then having the rug pulled out from under them. Loen deliberately after suggesting the showcase to CJes as an incentive to get the digital rights to Junsu’ album made sure to wait until there was literally no time to find another distributor to pull the plug on promotion. Look at all the attention the promotion already received they got what they wanted people are desperate to buy the album but there will be no huge benefit to Junsu the artist and that is the true intention of Blacklisting. The talent suffers while the companies laugh all the way to the bank.
Wow…I’m pissed off now. You laying it out that way just…god.
You’re right. They wanted to profit from his album, and not C-jes and Junsu.
Lee Soo Man lives in California, can’t the media over there pressure him about SM’s mistreatment and relation to broadcast stations and business partners like LOEN in bullying JYJ Using this current evidence , Junsu’s promotion cansellation, as evidence of on going blacklisting. Something like that.
Soo Man is the head of the Snake. if he’s exposed, do you think this blacklist will be off ?
Can’t we get Music industry in America to get involved ? Or any other Music industry , I don’t know what I’m saying anymore. I feel desperate. This timing is so Cruel, the method used too despicable too shameful to be allowed anymore. Maybe if JYJ-fans did like egyptians they’d shake the industry of korean pop into listening to the demands of Broadcast.
Lee Soo Man lives in California? I never knew that. Awh man he’s trying to become really powerful. No wonder
everyone’s scare of his ass. He has hands in South Korea and America!
American industry isn’t perfect, it’s sometimes JUST as if not MORE shadier than South Korean industry. But we
don’t do that whole family loyalty shit. So if you leave your record company you leave and move on.
but I remember one time having to fight for one of my favorite artists to get their music out in America.
It took for us to physically protest front of their company building and make a lot of noise for them to do something. America LOVES BUZZ. America responds to public opinion. When enough people are mad, excited etc., American businesses will move.
If Soo Man was to get exposed he would have to do something extremely foul, cause American companies have been way more fouler than him. But America likes to think it thrives off diversity and any EOE human rights civil rights problems will get Americans angry. So the story of slave contracts will definitely send America off. (shoot like me I was PISSED! JYJ’s story with SME is one of the main reasons I gravitated towards them when it came to the split but after reading everything I realized it shouldn’t have been called a ‘slave contract’ that terminology is too harsh) Thing is back in the day Artist seriously were getting jipped out their money too in American music industry so again in order to expose Soo Man he has to be foul as hell on some I didn’t feed my artist for weeks, one almost died on stage, I let them work constantly in horrible conditions and didn’t pay them, they ate crumbs off the floor, had no contact with no humans, slavery type of shit. But so far it doesn’t seem that way. Shinee’s still hanging out there chillin’ Exo chillin’ 2vxq chillin’ so can we really get him? No. He has too many yes people and people to deny his foulness.
What about the Court’s statement. If the court said it was illegal slave contract that SM conducted, then there’s your proof right there.
The Korean court called it a slave contract and listed the violations SM done to JYJ.
Legal proof.
More than that we don’t need to foul SM. Because the legal Courts Fouled SM.
Also The international Police also fouled Lee Soo Man. He fled Korea for 6 months, then when he came back received a pardon from the president of the Korean country back then. Lee Mung buck I think his name was ?
The Interpol charged him with business conduct corruption.
This was around the HOT legal issue, and around the creation of DBSK.
@Superfangirl: Nicely stated. This is so sad. I feel so helpless as an international fan. In South Korea, where no TV or radio station will broadcast JYJ, JYJ is faceless in South Korea. How could we rally Koreans to do something about this? This is so sad!!
Can someone tell me now CJES did have a written contract with Leon for them to distribute Junsu album online and offline correct? However, CJES did not have a written contract with them to promote the album, do a showcase, ect… correct? They did meet with them several times and communicated via emails about 50 times thus ending in a verbal agreement for them to do the other stuff correct? Because CJES has a distribution contract with them they cannot accept another contract from someone else correct? Am I understanding this correctly?
Of coz LOEN is suck!! However, C-Jes mistake again….’verbally agreed’, it really makes me laugh…please sign the black and white contract next time…
Watch out Loen! without u Junchan’s album still can “shine”!! JYJ fighting! CJes Fighting..!! we always beside u and always pray for u
bdw please make a “sign” contract CJes for next time ^^
they know we are the best…….they are afraid of our success…….like a pest they win when other are weak….i am sad not because of win or fail but to see our Junsu sad or our JYJ future album has no future……but our duty is to support them. we will never give up till the end…my love became so strong they will never broke the sstorm in my heart.
Such cowardice! They are so afraid of the power of JYJ!
Stay strong guys. Our prayers and love are with you…
South Korea’s entertainment industry is really wicked…How could they have Seoul but not having a soul…
I was excited for them…finally there is a glimpse of hope there… broadcast..interacting with friends on TV…i want to see this men take over variety…they have much to offer…they are quick witted and really clever… they are not boring… How come Broadcast station doesn’t realize that these three are goldmines..power of marketing..they are conquering all possible genres of entertainment. If nobody really wants to take these guys…aaahh…JYJ just build your own company…there a lot of JYJers to buy stocks…anger the lion more and more..there is a saying in my country “walang malaking Nakapupuwing”
So what happend now? Loen will still have right for offline and online distribution, but they will not promote Junsu? So in 6days when Junsu album start selling, Loen will still be getting money from the distribution then?
JYJFighting I feel your upset feelings but it takes two to get a contract signed. They didn’t push for the contract to be signed,Just so that they could get away with pulling their support. Don’t you find it funny that this “BIG” company many times the sized of Cjes did not get a contract with suppossedly “rogue” artists like JYJ??? This was a win/win for Loen they get the money and they stick it to the upstarts of the Kpop industry. I would request tha twe try to think out the box on this one because trying to intergrate back into the Kpop model is looking more and more like a dead end for the boys. They opened up America and South America and Europe for Kpop and not one group or agency acknowledged that the reason SM, FNC and CUbe could go to SA was directly because of JYJ. As fans who really care we need to find other ways and alternative routes for JYJ to get out from under the foot of their open, in your face enemies in the Kpop music industry.
In today’s business as well as what my company does, we uses email to quote, and business are done via email.
Even without a contract duly signed, but with email correspondences, Goods are delivered, and the other party received, a contract is made.
Now, all is dependence on Cjes email content to win the case!!!
thank you so much for the info! we can now only hope that CJES wins this case! no way they are taking away a vocal that is god’s given. NO WAY.
that is also what is happening in our business,,
we rely most on emails for agreements.. most of the time we dont meet personally our suppliers but we do business together and deal with money..
How could Cjes rely on a verbal agreement???????
Hasn’t it learned enough??????
Thank you for posting this. It made me feel a bit better. Maybe soon I will start thinking of things to do, to try to help the situation, but right now I’m so sad and so discouraged.
@Cheryl
Welcome. I was numbed by the news and the only thought that came to my mind was, how would Junsu take this? And the answer to that I got from this song 🙂
@Chsccy1
You are right. With JYJ situation why Cjes still rely on verbal agreement. All we can see now SK ent. haven’t been wanted JYJ appear in TV or media stations, no matter how long it take. Although, they said:” They will discuss and think about this issues when the battle between SM and JYJ over (sic)” And now it have been happened again.
We need to do something international fans (include me). Junsu, you need to be very STRONG in this situation. Get over it and keep move on. We always support you and your brothers. We stand in your side JYJ. Keep fighting!!!
But MelOn did say on their OWN website they will showcase Junsu LIVE on July 15 at 7PM KST
They themselves publicly announced that written on their website, at least MelOn did and now MelOn say they will cancel it even though fans bought from MelOn.
LOEN has Responsibility to Promote XIA since they publicly displayed they will distribute his album sales, digital and physical.
LOEN and MelOn can’t get away with this behavior. They Are to be held responsible for their own actions. LOEN must promote because it distribute, and MelOn has to do the live broadcast because they said they will. They must be accountable for their backing off of their responsibilities.
See if this was in America, people will be pissed off and the pissed-off-ness of public opinion will sway the company to give them what they want because the people bring the money. In Korea it seems they don’t act on public opinion or am I’m missing something. There should be a outcry right now from Junsu/JYJ fans in South Korea over this. Is there one? Have there ever been one and do companies sway in the favor of the public?
Can someone please tell me if I am understanding everything correctly:
What I am understanding from the article above is that CJES did have a written contract with Leon for them to distribute Junsu album online and offline correct? However, CJES did not have a written contract with them to promote the album, do a showcase, ect… correct? They did meet with them several times and communicated via emails about 50 times thus ending in a verbal agreement for them to do the promoting, showcase, ect… correct? Because CJES has a distribution contract with them they cannot accept another contract from someone else correct? So Leon will distribute Junsu album online and offline but will not do anything else correct? Am I understanding this correctly?
yes
@jaeftw thanks for the reply!!!!!
Can we somehow organize the boycott of Leon? Like unsubscribing from Leon youtube page? We need somehow show that whats enough is enough. Doesnt matter that didnt sign the actual documment. What they did is inhumane. Doesnt matter if is legal or not.
I agree that they should feel the full wrath of the JYJ fandom but at the same time I am thinking of ways to help these guys. I hope we can come together around some ideas to help JYJ be independent and fierce. Because if they can move over million units and out class every single mainstream act and still not be nominated it will break the back of the industry and at this point that is their only hope.
The funny thing z their subscribers on youtube have increased since the incedent, even thogh i undubscribed with many other fans
The boys just love to produce music…im kinda sad they have to go through this again…i hope all of them would be strong
hmm, it sounds like to me that cjes just wanted distribution of junsu’s album from leon. After signing the contract for distribution leon wanted to do a showcase as a way to promote melon, and junsu at the same time. Cjes agreed because of the exposure junsu would get. But without the live streaming and banners of junsu on melon, the exposure and marketing for junsu will be nil, when melon is still being marketed by the contest for melon users. I think the real issue here is that because cjes thought leon was going to promote junsu in the agreed terms, they didnt try to get other companies to do promotion. And trying 6 days out is going to be hard.
now i’m going to say something that will probably make some mad but here goes. the way i see it, leon didnt do anything wrong in the sense they reverted back to the legal document. Hopefully no matter what cjes said they might have seen this potentially happening and prepared something just in case. in korea they deal in conctracts. If they didnt then Cjes wouldnt have signed one for distribution of the album. otherwise cjes could just stop the distrubution through leon and go with who they have always used for printing cd’s. The concerts can still go on, it can be billed as a sneak peak into the new album coming out next month. there have been lots of people that do concerts before the album is released. And i seriously doubt his fans would cancel and give up a chance to hear the new songs, because they dont have the CD yet.
But all of that was coming from my business mindset, the fan in me is in a rage. I mean are you kidding me. And to think alot of us have been telling people to not watch the mv clip on cjes youtube page because leon’s count for melon.
ALL of Junsu’s hard work is in this Album.
This is going to hurt him like nothing hurt him before. He always put his sole, heart and mind, and creativity in his music.
This is exactly like with SM, profiting from him while excising tyranny against him at the same time.
Junsu re-lives the same experience now with LOEN.
only this time there is no promotions.
This is worse.
Please support C-jes
C-jes is supporting Junsu right now. Don’t give LOEN leverage over C-jes by saying C-jes is in the wrong.
Even if you excuse your statement it hurts Junsu’s future now.
Do you want to ruin C-jes business reputation ? or SM’s ? Why some fans harass C-jes ? All companies make mistakes but some make deliberate tyranny like LOEN, to block after making use of Junsu.
So don’t say LOEN done nothing wrong I don’t care about your intentions. This kind of word is ant-C-jes and support LOEN decision to block Junsu after USING HIM.
LOEN USES HIM then LOEN MUST PROMOTE. Don’t say anything other than that.
Now’s not the time, so keep quiet jaeftw. Everyone is hurting over Loen’s lies. Melon WROTE on their Web-site, they’d broadcast Junsu at 7pm. They lied. and MelOn is Loen. So LOEN LIED.
C-jes has leverage over LOEN now, after this letter. So it’s a smart move C-jes made. This could force LOEN to sign now. So give C-jes credit, especially at this time, it needs help for Junsu’s sake.
For Junsu, don’t say Loen did nothing wrong.
LOEN, SM are the tyrants. No excuse for the Tyrants.
http://www.tenasia.com/archives/64032
C-jes pays their own money to support the boys, I hope some fans understand a company making mistake is not the enemy of JYJ but the company that does deliberate tyranny is the enemy of JYJ. So back off of C-jes.
Don’t ruin C-jes business reputation if you have energy to bash some company. Bash the one that does the tyranny not the one that mistakes with good intentions. You have to be a good company if you suffer bullying too, from taking in JYJ.
Let’s not corner c-jes, it’s enough it’s been isolated by all companies for the past 3 years. It’s being bullied too. By SM, AVEX, LOEN. The whole industry. A little mercy for the ones who put their neck for JYJ.
that’s right. when it is like this, we better stand together on the side of jyj. even if it means to stand beside cjes who has undeniable has dome some mistakes but still, they are on jyj’s side. lets not loose sight of who the real enemy is. the one hiding behind loen is probably ‘them’.
you mean loen didnt do anything wrong legally?
what LOEN did is cowardly, sick and obviously repressing.
they are ethically wrong.
Twitter friends! In support of baby Su, let’s tweet #BeStrongXiaJunsu
Thanks!
I actually don’t know what to say about this event. But one thing I know is that we shouldn’t give up. I think JYJ and CJeS already knew from the beginning that even after the lawsuit has ended, there will still be a lot of hell to get through. More than ever, as fans, we should be try our best and be strong, send them love, and always keep the faith. That’s why it’s JYJ’s motto, right? AKTF. Because they knew, more than anyone, more than the fans, that the path they took would be a harsh one. So let’s try to keep the faith, pray, and believe that there will be a way. Let us give Junsu and the boys something to find strength in. Because if they give up, then we can say that we have ultimately lost. It didn’t take them 3-4 years of struggling just to break down at this point. JYJ’s a lot stronger than that. Let us keep the faith. More than any other time, they need our support now.
I was so happy that LOEN was supporting our Junsu, but now they just gave him (and us jyj fans) their backs. That is why our boys cannot trust anyone. I’m angry how can they play with our boy like that.
I am a fan of JYJ, but I’m getting real sick of the naivete being displayed by CJES here. I think after the movie incident the only way CJES proceeded with this setup is because of the relationship between junsu and Leon lately. What do they not understand about the phrase “its just business”. of course Leon would do this. It benefits them all around so what do they care. Leon was looking out for Leon, while Cjes was not looking out for Cjes. If they were they wouldn’t have announced the contest with melon users, or the showcase without a contract in writing. I don’t care if the showcase is the next day, if leon has not signed the contract there is no showcase. period, end of discussion. Continue to find other means of marketing JYJ, and stop being so unprofessional.
Cjes is no longer a start-up, they have already arrived, when will they start conducting their business as a actual business and not a side hustle. It is so freaking frustrating when i hear of these things that would have never happened to anyone else, not because of the banning, but because other companies would have never allowed it to get this far without a legal and binding contract irrefutable in court. The reason JYJ was able to fight SM and Avex is because the contracts were in writing and clearly unfair to them, and or clearly broken by Avex per the legal document. Without a legal document in those countries going up against a larger company is useless. After all of the lawyers JYJ have had in the past years you would think Cjes of all companies would want to make sure everything is in a legal form, before announcing or planing anything.
I am so mad right now. having Junsu on t.v. is not something Cjes can control, and i get that. But protecting Junsu from things like this absolutely is.
Truth. My sentiments exactly. They know better to let their guard down and verbally agree to something. This isn’t a family, it’s business. They should be on egg shells with EVERYONE.
@shhh
I don’t think c-jes has a choice. no one would sign promotions agreement with it. Like with a Day , that was cancelled. It’s forced to do verbal. C-jes is not stupid, it knows this. But it’s cornered. At least now it can expose LOEN, and LOEN will have to try save it’s butt by pleasing C-jes. Let’s hope they sign the promotions contract deal now. LOEN would never sign in the first place, but now there is pressure from this exposure. so it’s good. We All know there never was broadcast.before, and I don’t think it would have changed, but At least, this is a move to change things.
Even if it’s verbal, let LOEN hurt, it deserves it. Daring to use Junsu then cast him away after using him. No way, let C-jes hurt LOEN. I just hope some fans wont block C-jes’s attempt to corner LOEN into agreement .
‘m going to copy your openion bz it say it all
Don’t do that.
Support C-jes
LOEN is the one making lies to block Junsu’s promotions, any harm to C-jes now is a harm to Junsu and a support for LOEN’s block against Junsu. don’t AID the enemy.
@ Rasha, C-jes is trying to corner LOEN into signing.
LOEN responded to this letter and trying to save itself from c-jes hostility. This is good, so we need to back up c-jes into cornering LOEN into signing the promotions agreement.
Don’t let some fans effect you into targeting C-jes.
LOEN is the target and LOEN Must promote Junsu because it’s profiting from him right now.
My thoughts exactly. Everybody knows how strong is the external pressure against JYJ, so by making transactions without the protection of a legal written contract where all terms and conditions are thoroughly stipulated, they are just opening themselves to further bullying.
Please, C-jes notified fans of LOEN’s Lies about promoting Junsu and now fans go anti-C-jes for exposing the truth ?
So you want C-jes to keep quiet about LOEN’s deceit and allow LOEN to Block Junsu and continue use fans and keep abusing C-jes trust ? C-jes already paid LOEN.
C-jes should be supported for exposing LOEN, if C-jes went about this quietly, without saying anything nor exposing the truth to the public and fans ? You’d still criticize C-jes and put c-jes in the wrong not LOEN.
C-jes should keep quiet about LOEN Blocking Junsu ?
Let C-jes expose LOEN and we fans must put our energy on LOEN, not give LOEN excuse to attack C-jes back.
There is no way any company will sign broadcast for C-jes. C-jes has no other choice but trust a mans’s word he will act upon it.
Anyway, C-jes is smart, it has kept e-mails and it seems LOEN trying to salvage it’s reputation.
Bravo C-jes. Fight for JYJ’s broadcast.
IF JYJ don’t get brodcast now through LOEN, now, then when ? 100 years later?
C-jes needs fans to back it up and overlook mistakes during this crucial time.
Don’t focus on C-jes mistakes, that just support LOEN to BLOCK JYJ’s promotions. what a smart move, when a music album is active right now too.
BTW, how is LEON & MELON related? Are they sister company?
” LOEN was put in charge of operating SK Telecom’s online music distribution service, MelOn, in 2009. MelOn is currently the most used online music sales site in South Korea.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOEN_Entertainment
Thanks @kalus
So they are actually the same entity, ..
I sincerely hope this situation is resolved and will not obstruct the release of Junsu’s solo album
The truth is CJES deserves this crap coming to them because they didn’t sign an agreement and just a verbal contracts. They shouldn’t be this stupid to be honest. I don’t know why JYJ choose them in the first place but I’m really annoyed that JYJ image is always connected to lawsuits.
Are you really a fan of JYJ? At the end are you saying that Cjes (and Junsu, because Cjes is the voice of Junsu) deserves all this crap? My goodness…
Yes I am a fan of JYJ. I’m sad for Junsu but honestly I doubt Junsu even know CJES didn’t get a signed contract with LOEN. Junsu’s job is to sing and CJES’s job is to make sure promotions and everything else in place. CJES failed to make it happen with their unprofessional way of dealing with this. It’s not the first time they are being unprofessional. Regardless of how much I love JYJ, I have had enough with this agency managing JYJ poorly and end up suing their supposed partners. It’s not really LOEN fault since they have never had an actual agreement, rather just a verbal agreement which means nothing.
WOW!, I’m speechless, hehehe, what can I say?
@ Killua Lolla
Stop it. either you side with c-jes’s demanding Loen to promote Junsu or you defend LOEN blocking Junsu.
choose a side, oh right you already did. fine go support LOEN’s behavior with this.
But wait, why is LOEN talking to reporters on newsen , enewskorea, ect that it has not nulified Junsu’s promotions contract, that it still in discussion with C-jes. ?
Because fans at youtube and twitter freaked it out. but if you and kris and other fans decided to go against C-jes behavior and defend LOEN’s behavior , then LOEN and others have nothing to fear and don’t need to lie to reporters about their actions.
LOEN told reporters it’s true they did agree with c-jes about promotions, and they didn’t scrap off the agreement.
This is a sign of fear. they got bashed on youtube and twitter so they try to save themselves from fans. but fans like you un-intentionally support them blocking your idols.
Let C-jes demand what it demands , its what all fans, Most , want, and that’s for LOEN to Broadcast Junsu and JYJ. To sign the promotions agreement .
I understand some fans like you, don’t mean harm, have good intentions, but they don’t realize who they are backing up and on what.
So wake up and reconsider what you said, you and other with the same thinking. your thinking is wrong and doesn’t help JYJ or Junsu at this moment.
What’s important is LOEN abide by its words and promote as it confessed to the media it has indeed have a promotions agreement with C-jes .
You can read an eng version on 10 Asia. There is also LOEN’s confession on Newsen and Enews Korean language.
So there is your proof. no one can say C-jes is wrong, if LOEN confessed to the agreement to media.
Apparently me saying CJES should have signed a legal contract with LOEN regarding the promotion, not just verbal contracts is now me siding with LOEN? This matter should have been signed !!! but somehow it’s not signed so even if we scream and yell and bang head against wall in frustration, it’s up to LOEN whether they will promote Junsu or not . CJES and LOEN signed distribution rights. Ofc they will have to follow through and that’s good. However, having seen so many times these companies don’t care if you send them 100 emails a day because in the end, they do what they want to do. In this case, if CJES had signed a contract, it would be a solid ground to sue them.
Now calling LOEN liar will make them promote Junsu ? I don’t think so. the best thing one can do is to pray to god LOEN will decide to follow through and this should be a lesson for CJES to stop being unprofessional in the first place so they have to try to clean up the mess every time.
I am fan of JYJ, I’m not fan of the company and if the company is doing a shitty job. I’m saying it like it is.
It’s time for JYJ fans all over the world to mobilize as one unit and fight for our boys’ rights and end this unfair treatment…. it doesn’t matter if we are Cassiopeia, Big East, OT5 or JYJ first… the fact that we all share the same sentiment and concern…that we love Junsu, Yuchun and Jaejoong and wish for their rightful recognition as KPOP artists and deserved to be heard and seen.
Let’s work together and put a stop to this injustice!
I am but one voice…but if we all stand together, we may make a big difference that would irrevocably change our boys situations!
PEACE! Let’s do something together and make our boys SMILE!
Jade, thank you for your words. Your absolutely right. It’s TIME.
For a years, I though I get use it, all these unbelievable, ugly thing happen to the boys, but I still can not…still hurt like the hell….
that why I’m not surprise why JYJ still not relieve their group album, how many problem they have to handle? how many unfair treatment, rudeness they have to burden behind all those smiles in their face? me, we …their fans maybe only know 1 of thousands %
… don’t worry my boys, I’m not go any where, I’m always here and patient wait too see how high you can fly, the sky have no limit, my boys…
Exactly, This is why JYJ was too afraid to make an Album. Yoochun is the most sensative one, He’ll crush if he does a solo and not have it promoted. Jaejoong couldn’t do a full album because of this kind of situation. Junsu is risking everything by keeping making full albums. This is why they Punish Junsu worst, because he still dares to produce More than one MV and a second full album following the first full one from last year. SBS incident was meant to teach him a lesson. They wanted him to cry and crumble on Stage during the para Games incident. and Now they want to break him and shake him before his Concert Tour even starts. It’s still the beginning days of his album, and his Main MV isn’t out yet.
Loen? Is that short for low-end?
CJes really needs to get its act together too. A verbal agreement??? Gosh!
i’m sooooo angry that i can’t even express this !!!!!
what to do ??? T________________T
this is an obvious attack to JYJ but poor xia will suffer at hand?..some agency just wanted to put down this fabulous guys…this is a clear fact that some people are scared that jyj or one of the JYJ’s will gonna soar high and will always be on top now that they are visible again…GOD BLESS YOU JYJ AND WILL PROTECT YOU ALWAYS COZ’ YOU’RE SUCH GOOD PEOPLE!!! MORE POWER TO YOU MICKY..JAEJUNG..JUNSU..
Darn it, I’m fuming right now, Loen, same treatment as SM… can’t stand this.
Hopefully JYJ and Junsu in particular haven’t heard about this yet… don’t wanna spoil their sorta CF-vacation
It morning where I am, I’m just waking up now, i feed and played with my dogs, got dressed for work? then happily went to check if there is any news about JYJ. So im feeling very shocked and extremely discouraged. Good god Loen, if you don’t want to work with Junsu then just don’t, but don’t do this, start working with him and then dump him on the side of the road like a piece of garbage. I can’t this is unbearable. I want to go back to bed and hide from this horrible cruel cold world. Why? Why is this happening? Again?!
From a legal perspective.
I don’t know why you guys are coming down so hard on CJeS for not inking a written agreement for the promotion and marketing of the album because a verbal agreement is very much as legally enforceable as a formal written agreement. The email correspondence including the details of how the MelOn showcase is to be executed may also go towards LOEN evincing an intention to contract, which will definitely bolster CJeS’ case should it seek legal recourse in future.
Also, a lot of whether CJeS has the legal standing to sue LOEN hinges upon the prevalent business practices in the music industry. If the marketing and promotion of the album is an implied term in the contract on the distribution of Junsu’s album, and ancillary to LOEN’s performance of the contract, then LOEN is in hot legal soup. In addition, if it is common for parties to have a verbal agreement over details which may be subjected to change due to the high nature of uncertainty, then CJeS definitely has a legitimate legal concern, on top of a business concern.
I like cjes, as the supporter of our boys right now. but even i find myself shaking my heads at “and both parties have verbally agreed on the distribution agreement.”.
they should really be extra careful whats with all the happenings with the boys. hope they will learn from this and continue doing tehir best to support junsu and jyj.
I guess with electronic data, they can be subject to more scrutiny because they are easily manipulated, while written contracts leave no or little doubt as to the terms agreed by the parties involved. But i really hope you are right, and that if this really goes to court, Junsu and CJES will triumph over this injustice.
JUNSU is strong. HIS MUSIC is strong. HIS FANS are strong.
we can make it through this.
Junsu said that one day, we will be able to look back and laugh at everything. That time has not come yet, but i believe in his words.
I feel sorry for JYJ. I lost all faith of South Korean’s entertainment industry. Lets stop this injustice.
A verbal agreement or sign contact..
CJes ..I don’t know how anytime I pissed off them…but this time maybe I think back little…not depend them but in business is not always to push go the signing contact easy, if you push them too hard when they are not willing yet some time you will make you’re became a untrust them ( even you really not trust them 100%) and you maybe lost your change special when you’re really underdog or not much choice. Sometime you much take the rick and hope they will go smooth and you still have some change because if
something really happen you sign or not sign still have the same result is nothing….and honestly the boys and Cjes are completely underdog and not much choice on the business site.. and I don’t claim the if they try take a rick way. Anyway for me right now beside I early enjoy their talent same time I will try to help more whatever I can on their activities to show them I support the boys.
I still have to express myself.
OH MY !@$%@#%$@%$
South Korea is absurd. Because of SM, Avex, and LOEN, I don’t bother with other South Korean artist ANYMORE. I moved on listening to the news on radios and TV now. Seriously.
@kalus I know my question was answered above but comments people keep making make me think I am not understanding the situation correctly. Since you seem to have a good understanding of the situation. Please can you tell me if I am understanding everything correctly:
1. Did CJES have a written contract with Leon to distribute Junsu album online and offline? Is this why Leon is still going to distribute his album online and offline?
2. CJES did not have a written contract with them to do the promotion and marketing of the album, such doing a showcase, ect… correct?
3. CJES do have evidence of meeting with Leon people several times and communicating via emails about 50 times regarding the marketing and promotion things to be done correct?
These talks and email communications ended in a verbal agreement for them to do the promoting and marketing things such as a showcase, ect… correct?
Also, Leon was the one who suggested they do a showcase and even advertised on Melon that they would be doing one for Junsu correct?
4. Because CJES has a distribution contract with Leon they cannot accept another contract from someone else now who will be willing to do the same or similar promotional and marketing for Junsu album correct?
5. So at the present time Leon will only distribute Junsu album online and offline but will not do any promotion or marketing for it correct?
6. If Leon will not do the showcase on Melon, CJES will still do it live on their YT channel and still invite fans based on arrival correct?
Also, I want to say I am definitely not a lawyer by no means. But I was always of the understanding that in certain situation a verbal agreement would be considered a legal contract. This verbal agreement could be held up court. Especially if they had a paper trail(emails) showing that they agreed to do x,y and z things. Also, in this case they advertised that they would do one the promotional things(showcase). To me it seems like Leon would have to have a really important, valid, concrete reason for not doing those things period other than that they do not want to do it now. Because they would cause CJES to experience hardship due to their unprofessionlism. Again I am not a lawyer and I live in the US but it seems like CJES might have legal rights.
YES to all your points.
Also, on the legal side of things, based on the information that CJeS provided in their statement, it does seem that CJeS may have the upper hand if the situation escalates to court. However, seeking legal recourse may not always be the best solution. LOEN is the more powerful organization here, they can easily drag the whole case on and on (as SM and AVEX have done) until the guys enter army and expend their financial resources on court fees and lawyers until they withdraw the suit, and give the broadcasters excuses not to let JYJ back on broadcast. The situation is extremely delicate.
@ Flower
Everything you said is about right, but
LOEN said they will sign the promotions agreement. But they were still in the process. One main issue is to brodcast Junsu on MelOn TV , but suddenly C-jes receives notice that the brodcast will not be on MelOn TV but on LOEN YT channel which is less exposure to the public . So this is a sign that LOEN lied and wont do the promotions. So c-jes threatened LOEN if they back out they’d take this to the media and expose it. And gave Loen till 9 mp to answer C-jes with a response, or ells C-jes will not invite anyone from MelOn. But it will not cancel the showcase. The rest you know it.
read this:
http://www.tenasia.com/archives/64032
Don’t believe LOEN, its a liar , it already had contract with SM around this time, so it was double crossing C-jes and tried to hide its intention to diss the promotion’s agreement Contract-signing, after using him.
Loen closed all deals with C-jes and all was left was the signature. It lied to C-jes, telling C-jes they’d sign the agreement.
I think it was around this time (maybe) that LOEN was signing with SM instead.
I’m still searching for the source where SM signed with LOEN. I got the info, but I didn’t find any article yet. So it could be a rumor, but I wont be surprised. I’m about sure this is what happened.
Loen singed with SM then notified C-jes they would not do the MelOn broadcast they promised (and MelOn announced on their website).
@Kalus
“Loen singed with SM then notified C-jes they would not do the MelOn broadcast they promised (and MelOn announced on their website).”
This cowardly, scared shitless company, SM…. really words fail me to express how loathsome they are, how frightened they are of JYJ, how they are willing to stoop to new low after new low in business dealings to keep the members of JYJ from being in fair and free competition with their own pathetic roster of acts. I hope everyone will take a moment today and send a message or two to SM and Loen telling them what they think of their disgusting and ~TRANSPARENTLY DISHONEST~ behavior.
@lilibaiyu
Hi, I really like the words you use to describe SM and SK companies. Until now they still scared JYJ because they have been talents.
I already send the message and comments to SM and Loen but I didn’t know they read it or not. That is the main point, I do whatever I can to help JYJ and I hope it will work.
I heard that SM and Loen have their disputes…
anyway, maybe it was SM, but maybe it wasn’t..
hard to admit, but even though it’s 100% needed and true, JYJ action was ‘damaging’ the music industry or at least how it works.. ‘damaging’ here is of course not my word, but what people have thrown so far such as giving other artist idea to cancel contract , easier contract (of course company’s loss) etc… so this is their consequences… the only upside is that they have a huge fandom…. and we can only count on that…. the more we fight etc don’t you think it will make the higher ups (the evil ones should i say) rage more and ban them even more ??
Could you be right? This idea keeps running through my mind too. Maybe I’m just reading too much fiction but the word conspiracy just keeps on popping up in my head. I don’t know what to think anymore. I’m sorry for having a go at CJES in my other comment. I know we’re on the same side. If we’re going to the mattresses, I’m in.
@diana
“Maybe it wasn’t SM”??? Are you kidding me? Have you been keeping score of the times this has happened with SM affiliated entities? I have. This company is determined to end the careers of these three young men. They do these things and get away with them because they are powerful and no one in SK has the balls to stand up to them without outing the whole entertainment community, most of which is in collusion with SM. If anyone speaks out, they will be blacklisted form their professions too. These are really really BAD people. This is a bad and dangerous company who operate outside the law. And the law does nothing because SM is in bed so cozily with the government.
As regards JYJ, we are talking about David and Goliath here. Let’s just pray after we’ve each done all we can possibly do to help them that JYJ will somehow prevail as David did.
@lilibaiyu “…no one in SK has the balls to stand up to them without outing the whole entertainment community…”
This is precisely why I’m so afraid for JYJ. I don’t know any other way to help now so I’m following your advice to sign the petition. I just have one question. How many signatures are needed for the petition to get sent? When I signed it the number of signatures hasn’t reached 7k yet.
I think, we don’t know how are all the details about the problems that the boys are facing in every step of the music business in South Korea. They have become very cautious about every contract they sign. C-jes must have their reasons about the written contract. They have good lawyers.
The boys and their company are not stupid. They are survivors. This is not a good moment to see the flaws of C-jes (I know they make mistakes, but this is not the moment to discuss it).
Just remember that C-jes is not the enemy here. If any of us start a war against the company, we are destroying JYJ in the way. Think about it.
Why don’t we go and show our frustrations to Loen. Thru twitter, facebook, youtube channel, etc. etc.
Let’s show them that JYJ and Junsu have very loyal fans and who are not stupid at all.
“Why don’t we go and show our frustrations to Loen. Thru twitter, facebook, youtube channel, etc. etc.
Let’s show them that JYJ and Junsu have very loyal fans and who are not stupid at all.”
Took the words right out of my mouth. Thank you. 😉
agree!
Maybe we should raise money and somehow advertise on buses in Korea and Japan, letting people know that LOEN is not a company of their word, they are not trustworthy, they lied on websites, false promoting, etc. ???
YES Albicat
this is LOEN’s twitter.
https://twitter.com/LOEN_MUSIC
@Kalus
There is also:
@MelOn_DJ
@LOEN_TREE (I believe this is the corp. one)
Thank you @ Butterfliesarefree2
Guys, we need to united and we have to talk with LOENT, show they the power off JYJ fandom
http://www.iloen.com/eng/about/contact_us.jsp
sorry the bad english ç_ç
This is a good idea you have here, but what do we write.
Thank you for the link @ Rebeka
@Rebekah
Sent to Loen’s Contact: link on their website:
Dear Sirs,
I wish to protest in the strongest possible terms your decision to withdraw from contract negotiations with C-jes Entertainment on behalf of Kim Junsu for various services pertaining to the release of his new album “Incredible.” The international fans of JYJ will absolutely not stand for this and have vowed to launch a campaign of disapproval for your company the likes of which might very well surprise even you. Public relations and public trust are important aspects of any business’ future success. Please do not throw away your reputation so carelessly simply to do the disreputable bidding of a rogue company like SM Entertainment. They are not worth it and they will pay for their crimes in the long run, of that you can be sure — you may not believe in Karma but that doesn’t mean it will not pull down the wrong-doers with the exact force that they tried to ruin someone else.
Sincerely Yours,
Lili Bai Yu
Los Angeles, CA
Still should send this letter?
One issue I would like to have people keep in mind. I understand digital is what folks want to focus on. The hype is that digital is where it is at. But at for whom? Under digital sales, there is a definite tier of who gets paid. At the top of the tier is the distributor, the middle person is the producer, and last but not least, really least is the artist. The artist gets paid last and least…pennies on the dollar. There are others in between, but you get the picture.
Hardcopy sales, if you are the producer, composer/lyricist, and artist, you get the most. You do pay your distributor for the producing, and the site for hosting. But the bulk of the sale goes to the artist. That is one of the reasons the members of JYJ have been so successful financially. Hardcopy sales are way more lucrative than digital. And despite criticisms about CJeS not producing enough cds, whatever sales are made, still outshine digital.
Even with large digital sales, the artist is not going to reap anywhere near what they would from hardcopy sales. If LOEN wants to play this game, then make your purchase hardcopy online/store. They do not have to win this skirmish.
““We will conduct XIA (Junsu)’s online and offline distribution but we will not do any promotional marketing outside of the distribution.” LOEN continues in their notice, “This was the decision of our internal executive team so we wish for your understanding. As for the XIA showcase for MelOn customers, the live stream will not be available through LOENTV and MelOn.””
This statement is almost verbatim to the one CGVCinema made with regards to “The Day”, which was preceded by the actions of the cable company that filmed it. If CJeS had not retained the rights to the product, no one would have been able to see it. Collusion is written all over this puppy.
@butterf;oesarefree2 I like what you said, very good valid points. So based on your statement below are you saying that if CJES had signed a contract with Leon to do the showcase they would of sign their rights away. By them not having a contract they still have the rights to do a showcase anyway they want to or can?
“This statement is almost verbatim to the one CGVCinema made with regards to “The Day”, which was preceded by the actions of the cable company that filmed it. If CJeS had not retained the rights to the product, no one would have been able to see it. Collusion is written all over this puppy.”
@Flower
In that first instance, CJeS already had the film from the cable company. They retained the rights to the film, via written agreement. So by keeping the product themselves, they were in the catbird seat. What they did was shorten the amount of footage that was shot and made it a film. They just needed to show it in the theaters. At just about the 11th hour, this same scenario and language was used…”our internal exec team decided”. So, there was a danger it wouldn’t get shown, and Lotte came to the rescue, and the damn showing was a huge success! Trumped the SM film that was due. Since LOEN doesn’t want to do any promotional activities, then CJeS is within their rights to put on whatever activities they want to promote the album.
OK I think I get what you mean ^^ sis!
@butterflies
Thanks for your note of encouragement. Somehow i always feel better reading your comments, you always seem to find the silver lining in every cloud.
@Butterfliesarefree2
Your right. besides, C-jes has no other choice. At least now it has something to tackle LOEN with.
LOEN confessed to media it did agree about promotions and are still in the process and did not scrap it off.
LOEN is scared after both Fans (youtube and twitter ) and C-jes letter, this all pressure LOEN to Confess to media it did agree to promoting Junsu.
That’s it, now it’s official that LOEN agrees to promotions, it has to abide to it.
No one can say, c-jes can’t proof this agreement, if LOEN already confessed.
There is also news from newsen, enews, both in korean language, and there is the 10 asia eng language showing LOEN’s confession to agreement too. but they said they didn’t nullify, that it’s false and c-jes talked back to this too.
Of course LOEN being exposed put it under pressure now.
There was union, both C-jes and fans united not knowingly. fans on youtube and twitter were talking angry to LOEN’s channel and twitter account .and C-jes letter also angry exposing LOEN. So LOEN quickly replied and confessed about promotions agreement ,but also lied to keep fans quiet. It was double crossing c-jes. and says still in agreement process.
C-jes give LOEN until 9pm tonight (IF i read right) to answer it.
Also LOEN try corner c-jes to sign contract not in good terms by nullifying this agreement.
@Kalus
I would imagine the backlash was immediate and huge! Not only did they hear from JYJ int’l fans, but they must have gotten mucho noise from those Melon accounts who were expecting to be part of this. Now, they find out they are going to be left out in the cold.
Brings to mind something my mother was fond of saying…”Hard times will make a monkey eat red pepper.”
These BS artists may have thought they didn’t mind a few negative words here and there, but that wave must have reached gargantuan force. Serves them right, bastards.
God I love your words Butterfliesarefree2
yes, they are getting it from all sides, and your mom is right. LOEN, lol a large company is being cornered from all directions. Youtubers are still on LOEN’s case. C-jes is also still on media talking back in vengeance.
“These BS artists may have thought they didn’t mind a few negative words here and there, but that wave must have reached gargantuan force. Serves them right, bastards.”
LOEN is Low On Esteem Now…..
PS. Hi Mommy-hen! Do you know I love you?
@Ellis
Hello my sorella. I had to look that up, by the way. 😉 Love you back! We have to begin discussing summer salads! 😀
Summer salads? (^_^) Better discussing this than the usual shit happening to JYJ… Sometimes I feel that to be their fans is so tiring and heartbreaking.
OK
JYJ3’s gourmets: ready, steady, GO!!!
Our kitchens are open and waiting fresh recipes…
@Ellis
Will load some up on ODP! Ciao!
I saw this article last night without translations and I knew it’s not a good news for our Junsu. I went to bed worried and sad but I kept him in my prayer. Fighting Junsu! Fighting JYJ!
Much thanks to @rubypurple_fan and @ohmyjunsu for their translation work.
I’m hoping something good can come out of all this distress and awfulness. Stay strong Junsu!
And please take it easy on CJes. Much business is done without written legal agreements because things move quickly. From the conversations and emails and even the actions of Loen and Melon it sounds as if CJes had every right to expect they were dealing in good faith. I don’t think raking CJes over the coals right now is helpful to Junsu or JYJ.
You’re right. Some people just seem to be ignoring LOEN’s responsibility in this matter. It’s not always about legality; it is questionable business ethics for LOEN to go back on whatever agreement they had with CJES, even if that agreement is not in writing.
junsu fighthiiing jyj fighthiiiing !!!!!!!!whatever happens you’re never aloooone !!!!we’re gonnna always support you guys !!!
My lord…when will this childish behaviour from such companies stop? I want to know why they take such bitter actions…are they jealous? Do they think it’ll somehow make them more successful? So proud of Junsu for staying strong, and also CJeS for supporting Junsu, because it can’t be easy to take such crap. Such actions only make my love and support for Junsu/JYJ even STRONGER. 🙂
Oh jeez…another heartbreaking news involving our boys.
Well, I think some people just do not want to see Junsu selling albums. Now some fans will think twice to buy his 2nd album knowing that the huge profit will go directly to the very company who treat him badly. This is my biggest concern.
But at the same time, we fans want to support him in anyway we can…by buying his music and show the world who Junsu is.
And for Loen, the facts that they won’t do any promotion at all shows that the don’t seem to care if the sale will drop…as we all agree that promotion will help with the sale of anything! They even took the banners from their web page! Zero promotion =less profit.
There’s absolutely something fishy about the whole agreement….my heart goes to the victims here. JYJ/Xia, Cjes, and the fans.
How in hello am I suppose to keep supporting this racheness?
Mayday Mayday…..JYJ fan down!!!
oh forgot the “t”
get up you !! … this is not the time to be laying around waiting for CPR from Junsu ( or JJ )
UGHHHHH …..I’m buying Junsu’s album but I hope F**ing Leon get back stabbed someday with an even bigger bully than them .
I don’t know what’s wrong with me…..going through Jae deprivation. No selcas, no smiles, no music…sigh~*
And now Junsu too.
Why don’t they just rip my freakin heart out already!!! 😦
It’s not fair for JYJ….Why does LOEN do this ?…. ; (
COME ON EVERYBODY LET’S LEAVE SOME SHOUTING MOMENT IN LEON WEB AND TWITTER. LET’S VOICE OUR DISPLEASURE FOR THEIR BEHAVIOR TOWARD XIA JUNSU ONE OF THE MOST TALENTED SINGER. LET’S BLOCK LEON TV OR WHATEVER TO VOICE OURS. THEY THING THEY BECOME BIG BECAUSE OF WHO? IT’S BECAUSE OF US THE PEOPLE WHO LOVES THE MUSIC AND DON’T LIKE WHEN MUSIC N POLITIC MIX INTO ONE. LET THE ARTIST MAKE AN ACHIEVEMENT!!!!!! We all agree that even though jyj looks ok they all been tormented just like us the fans. Fuck off sme but not the artist because they’re not wrong for being managed by that darn tyrant.
@lia0027
I agree. Tweeting @LOEN_MUSIC a few times each today seems like just about the LEAST we can all do to protest this deplorable and cowardly move on their parts. And it they ARE in “continuing negotiations” this will alert Loen that they need to conclude them and sign the contracts ASAP to avoid a further P.R. nightmare.
beside that i think some nasty lsm intervention has to do with this. lsm is really a cruel person i remember how he made yunho bow many time because yunho couldn’t really sing “hug” when he 1st appear after their separation, he put his hand on yunho’s head to bow many time (crazy old man). now he still tormenting jyj mentally with his power abuse and leon is too coward to fight with him (heard he has lots of mafia connection) that was blocking jyj when they were being jyj group and making album. JYJ will have lots of going even though the court ruling for them bcoz in reality most of broadcast station still need sm artist to fill in their show which is annoying because there are still a lot of management artist there compare to sm master of tyrant. FIGHTING GUYS! keep on tweeting n making petition for xia junsu. ps. I do like sm artist it just sme that i don’t like. btw avex let go of jyj n blocked them bcoz their dealing with sme.
there i just tweet leon to fuck off for what they’re doing to junsu. LET’S DO MORE EVERYONE!!!!!! SHOUT THE HELL OUT TO THEM DON’T BE SAD AND DON’T CRY HERE BECAUSE JUNSU N OTHER MEMBERS ARE MORE SAD THAN US. LET YOUR FRUSTATION GO BY SHOUTING OUT THEM.
damn …if we’re this upset , then imagine how junsu feels
Butterfliesarefree2 thank you for your breakdown of the situation. I also think that after what happened with AVEX signed contracts are a double edged sword for JYJ. It can be breached and then used as an “excuse” to keep other vendors and companies from working with JYJ. The fact that there was not a signed contract did not stop LOEN from showing the MV or from promoting the showcase to their customers and it shouldn’t be used as a reason to pull out at the last minute. LOEN is not acting in good faith and Cjes was. Simply as that. After this latest betrayal don’t you guys think its time for Cjes to think out the box for promotions and even distribution?
I completely agree with this. Particularly the fact that CJeS should think out of the box. As international fans, we should keep note the kmusic industry is a completely different field than our own countries’ and operate under a different culture than ours. There maybe other media outlets which can be utilized, different market niche to be developed, and JYJ and CJeS could pioneer them. I’ve been thinking about capitalizing internet sites such as Youtube and others to reach more scale and market. I don’t know. But seriously, JYJ/CJeS can start a new guerilla marketing tactic. They’re flexible and free enough to do it. Although there might be disadvantages and opportunity losses along the way, as long as JYJ is happy and free to do their music, I think that’s all that matters. It’s not about gaining more popularity than others, it’s about being able to making music and reaching the market that matters to them without compromising their freedom. Does that make sense? Lolz, I think I lost it somewhere. But the point is, as long as JYJ is happy doing whatever they want, I’m fine with it. XD
Junsu ya, be strong, no pain no gain, after all the rain you will see the sun come out again…
because God Knows You’re Working Hard
Will this whole incidence affect Junsu’s release of his album, I read some of you said that Cjes had a written contract with Loen for them to distribute Junsu album online and offline… if Loen back out of the whole thing, can Junsu still release his album??? We fan should all unite and buy Junsu’s album and make his sales a record high (the only bad thing is Loen might get profit from his record’s sale).
I propose that we start trending #KimJunsuHwaithing on Twitter!
This does not suprise me. JYJ is still being cockblocked left and right. C-jes should have gotten a written agreement and not just a verbal one. SME probably threatened to prevent his artists from going on melon if melon assisted Junsu. I knew this was too good to be true. And C-jes shouldn’t be so trusting.
The only good thing about this is that LOEN showed their true colors and hopefully C-jes won’t work with them in the future.
Hooligans again. I thought they would have given up obstructing the boys. Are they still away ? Hope Junsu tweet sthg… T.T
So… What do we do now? What’s our counter-move. What do we do to make sure this album is a success while making sure Leon doesn’t get a penny from Junsu?
please sign this petition against LOEN Entertainment
http://twitition.com/952sw/
done
^^
This is a shame. There must be some backroom dealing going on (again). Something needs to be done to legally monitor some of these Korean entertainment companies. Can’t something be done? I get the feeling money (or pressure from an outside group) is causing this mess.
@ShirleyUSA
Hi Shirley – The best information I have been able to gather says nothing is being done about this, nothing is going to be done about this. The Fair Trade Commission tried many years ago to do something about SM and they just basically gave up. The SK public at large doesn’t care about this either. They have more “important” things to worry about. So it’s all up to the fans. If they can stop bickering with each other long enough to unite as one and stage a protest maybe it will prove embarrassing enough to Loen for them to change their tune.
if they are not promoting Junsu’s album, can they still get profit from Junsu’s sales? I mean they didn’t fulfill their responsibility here…. ahhh, I am so mad now. I want Junsu to sell lots of album but I don’t want the profit going to Loen…..
@jj
“if they are not promoting Junsu’s album, can they still get profit from Junsu’s sales?”
Yes, they can. Because they are distributing it. They are in charge of collecting the money! Of course they will get their cut. They just don’t want to have to promote it which means money going OUT. They only want to collect the money coming IN and take their cut.
lilibaiyu I have been thinking all day while studying for my finals and I have to say that Cjes must be convinced of the importance of being completely independent of the Mainstream Kpop Industry. They should now directly work out distribution with googlePlay, Itunes, Amazon and many others. This is why having a huge international fanclub network is an excellent option for JYJ. I live thousand of miles away from Korea and I would join an American JYJ fanclub that comes with a live streaming event like Junsu’ Showcase. JYJ don’t need Kpop, Kpop needs JYJ and that has to be the goal of Cjes from now on. Loen is just another example of how corrupt that entire business is and If JYJ never again chart at Music Core, Mnet or Melon again its their loss not ours. This is a good time to express to Cjes the neccesity of International regional fanclubs that can work as independent contractors to Cjes to promote and drive sales for JYJ all over the world. instead of twitter campaigns to fight against the latest Tyranny we should be all actively urging people to go to a JYJ dedicated website to download Junsu latest album.
@Superfangirl
Hi – I must say, I like the way your mind works! 🙂 I also live thousands of miles away (I’m in L.A.) and it’s once in a blue moon that we ever get to actually see the members in the flash but that doesn’t matter one bit to me. Their CDs, photos if their doings and DVDs of their concerts, their OST performances and of course acting roles is more than enough for me. Having said that, the online group I work with, the JYJ International Fans Coalition has been trying to get people to sign our petition for official recognition of I-fans and more importantly to open a friendly and supportive dialog with C-jes so that we can begin to suggest ideas like yours to them. I certainly agree with you that they need creative thinkers badly and as a 40 years veteran of the music business here in the U.S. I have been dismayed at C-jes’ lapses in judgement at certain moments – the latest being to once again get caught with their pants down in another “verbal agreement” situation that suddenly self-destructs 6 days before the release of a very very eagerly anticipated album – this is a big deal, it’s big business with a great deal of money at stake. More importantly to fans, when it happens to Junsu, fans’ hearts break right along with his… he’s such a brilliant artist, he works so hard at what he does. This is just WRONG and it must be remedied quickly. Anyway, let’s keep in touch, and if you haven’t already signed our petition, please do. Cheers!
http://www.jyjifc.com/petition/
ugh! this has been in my thoughts exactly. JYJ is in a position to venture into other media outlets/options. though i understand the importance of mainstream, but isn’t the main goal making music and reaching out to fans or something? correct me if i’m wrong. personally. i don’t necessarily need them to join every variety and music shows. i just want them to make music and be able to listen to them in the least. i want them to be artists, not idols.
There’s a good chance if that there was more outside pressure. Lets Pressure them, guys!:- Loen, SM, South Korean Broadcast Stations and the Government Of South Korean. Feel piss off with all this!!!
wtf???
why??
the lawsuit is OVER…
why do they treat him like this???
lilibaiyu thanks for the welcome and we are even in the same state!!! Lol! This just goes to prove that JYJ brings thousands of people together in a common accord and that is something that even huge stars in the states no longer command. Maybe a strategy would be to tweet a praticular staff members with some really good marketing/promotional ideas like the JYJ annual Fan Meetings that are completely unique to the established Kpop model. As Cjes is going all out on battle mode with those lying Loen people this might be the time when they finally begin to listen to the fanbase that has never left them or JYJ. You guys should urge people here, on twitter, Soompi and on the youtube to sign the pettition because I can see that the noise the fans are making at Loen is making a difference. Strike while the iron is hot!! Maybe get the fanbase in Peru. Mexico, Chile and Turkey involved!
@SUPERFANGIRL
Hello, fellow California girl! 🙂 All good ideas from you again. Feel free to email me at lilibaiyu2@aol.com for more info on the coalition and our plans for the future. Cheers!
Ok I know who to contact when they hit lax again so we can get tickets and go together.
greyfox, I’m surprised, the owner of Loen was an original starter for SM???
The plot thickens, this whole album launching is so full of suspense and drama. I read this post this afternoon, went outside with laptop and glass of wine to write a comment, after I posted I saw the ordeal was over and sorry but I had to laugh, I don’t mean to sound callous, somehow this is very funny to me, it all really makes sense, either that or I’ve had one too many. The troops are marching now, good job cjes and loen, I just saw the other posts, it worked, number one and media coverage, haha, you got us right where you want.
oopsy wrong spot, greyfox, that comment is in response to your comment below.
Maybe….and I may be showing my ignorance/naivety…. this is a plan…
1- get everyone riled up, show support, get the word out about new album. by looks of this thread it’s working. I don’t have twitter, but from the posts here it seems also twitter and youtube are also riled up, they have everyone hopping, going through loops.
2- loen is showing the big boys they are on their side, but actually they are not. they show they are forced to make contract, saving face to other powerful behind the scene supporters of SM, and they keep their hand in the cookie jar. they would not risk their reputation otherwise, or would they?
3- cjes may make staff mistakes like the jj fiasco, but I cannot believe they would ever allow a situation like this. I always give benefit of doubt, except for last staff error, I think they try their best for the boys. perhaps they are smarter than we think, so far this plan is working, gaining much sympathy/support, maybe they’ll even gain media coverage which will help promote album and also to help save loen face from big boys, once they sign and loen continues to stand behind them, all this will be forgotten, no harm to loen, with all the hype, album will break all records, album of the year, shown on tv, etc etc etc; either that or cjes really like me…showing ignorance/naivety.
I’m curious to see how far they will take this, all the way to the end or ? the longer they hold out, the more attention they gain. If loen is really the ba—-d they are portraying themselves to be, wow I understand how deep the meaning of jj’s video, corruption and sabotage, in action.
(having been a contract negotiator for union and company, my mind is a little bizarre when it comes to contract negotiations, colors you would not imagine)
Oh how I wish it were true the owner of Loen is non other then one of the original starters of SM who was banned from Korea for about 6 months due to unethical business practices. His record of abuse against his talent is legendary to the point I was able to research him and not like him very much.. As a mom it riles me to no end but as a fan I say once bitten twice shy…
omgossshhhh, I just read the post above from zzzzzz, it’s over? hahaha, you can hate me, but I think this is too funny.
lilibaiyu,
You guys should give yourselves a hand!!! This is the best news I have received to date. It’s clear from Cjes’ statement that the global fandom played a significant hand in turning the tide and this is something that can be built on to get more equality and justice for JYJ. We should hold a twitter Jam of happiness and let Cjes know that we have their back and let Loen know that we are watching them and they better act right! LOL! I have signed the pettition and will send you an email. This victory may seem small but I believe that the JYJ Global fandom might just be the deciding factor in this ongoing “war”. Let’s not fall asleep again!
Word of mouth place snippet on your facebook and twitter accounts me it the most watched video world wide.
So love my sisters so funny. Crises aborted but oh oh oh I want to spank somebody….
Yes never ever give up on loving the boys….
Hi Abicat like your ideas now if we can get some one to find how much to advertise in a major newpaper in Korea and Japan I would be happy.
Just a note I had types a very nice response then my windows phone died as I have been on it all day researching JYJ ok yeah and working…