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There were a few comments directed to me in the last ODP that I was unfortunately unable to respond to. It seems that the whole topic has now been removed by the Admins. This is kind of a bad sign, pointing as it does toward how immature and fragile they think the readers here are. At any rate perhaps as I said before we will never agree with OT5s and they will never agree with JYJ only fans. Maybe we will all just have to accept that somehow.
Me too, I think that’s actually a bad sign, I don’t know what was written after me, but as far as I have seen there was nothing wrong with our conversation. I just wanted to know what exactly is written in “Read >>here<<, but "the page cannot be found"?!
As for the JYJ Only and OT5 fans, I don't see a problem interacting with the OT5 fandom as long as they don’t talk about the two others here, bcz simply this is an only JYJ fansite and we don’t have the same few overall, however we agree in the matter of JYJ. But sometimes the comments I see on JYJ3 directed towards one another are just unnecessary. And solely for the trolls: go find yourself a meaningful purpose in life and don’t waste your time like this.
i think jyj3 adms deleted ot5s messages because when you give them the hand ,they take the full arm…we know ot5s are that stupid,basically they only want to come here to yell his big love towards Homin & DB5K forever lol
why you guys are so pressed because they deleted the messages of OT5s… if the messages always are the same,even on that entry…”stans,db5k is one eternally ,why you hate our precious homin?,JYJ and Homin are friends forever,they love each other so much,,jaejoong is ot5 lol,db5k is coming together..blah blah…nothing new ,they are very typical
Firstly, I’m not pressed! Secondly, the message of that girl wasn’t at all like your examples. Thirdly, how do you know who is OT5, when there are apparently also OT5’s on JYJ3 who are >not< mentioning HM at all.
@jia
I think this whole insistence that they HAVE to still be friends, they HAVE to want to still be friends – they just HAVE to!!! Well, it’s ridiculous. The facts, what has actually happened that we know about, speak loudly otherwise. There’s been NO contact in 4 YEARS. Does that mean best buddies 4Ever in anybody’s mind?? Yes, apparently because some fans are basically just making up this best of all possible worlds, dream scenario as they go along, clinging to a few isolated and ambiguous occurrences and ignoring the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. But the problem is that for the actual truth of the matter once again we are led back to the machinations of SM Entertainment. SM is the reason there can be no friendship and the reason there will be no tearful reunion anytime soon. SM is not run by love-struck young girls who want everybody’s fave love objects to hug and kiss and make up. SM is run by greed-driven and dishonest businessmen who want YOUR money and will do pretty much anything, say pretty much anything to get ahold of it. So we are back to this being yet another reason why fans should NOT support SM acts and concerts.
People who still think that a TVXQ5 reunion will happen is CRAZY! There is NO foundation to this. HoMin are shareholders of SM –> SM wants to eliminate JYJ –> JYJ wants to survive –> HoMin and JYJ have extremely opposite interests. HoMin doesn’t give a @#$! on what happen to JYJ. (HoMin are sell-outs, in my opinion)
“HoMin doesn’t give a @#$! on what happen to JYJ. HoMin are sell-outs, in my opinion” ~ exactly my opinion!
@ee3451
It just seems to be that there’s a whole boatload of projections going on when it comes to this group of 5 members who have split 4 years ago amid huge differences and seriously considered decisions. The decision to split was theirs to make but fans won’t accept their decisions. Instead they talk endlessly about what “they KNOW the members really want” and slowly they convince each other and themselves that what THEY want to have happen is what the members want when all evidence points to the contrary. They simply ignore the members remarks when they do not support what they believe will happen and they cling ferociously to any remark, however old, that could possibly be interpreted as supporting their desires. This I suppose will go on without end. This is just the way it is. As often as we can recite the facts and the reasons for the split, these things fall on deaf ears. Some fans simply want to believe what they want to believe.
Wow… Very interesting … I am Not a fan of HoMin but to whatever relevance they have in JYJ’s past, it is sad to read such info of them being share holders/part owners of SM. Where can I get more information on that statement ? That alone would be more than enough proof there is no friendship ever happening ^^
Why did we have a sudden run of OT5 comments anyway?
I still can’t get over Changmin saying that LSM is the person he admires the most, which is either cowardly kiss a** lip service, or he really means it & that means he supports & approves of the corrupt, unethical & illegal way LSM does business & of the way SM is trying to obliterate JYJ. (Frankly, for me, that single statement of his was the worst thing he’s ever said cause whether he meant it or not, it shows just what his ethics are – that he’s either willing to kiss a** to someone like LSM & lie for his own benefit, or he is just as unscrupulous & unethical as LSM …) & how OT5s can twist that into “Homin loves JYJ/JYJ loves Homin” & “DBSK5 will always be one” totally baffles me. Like Mummy-hen says, there are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
@Sapphire
It was a shocking comment, although certainly right in line with their actions and decisions to stay with SM and to adopt and abide by the policies of that company. Their fans have a pretty rough and continual job rationalizing these sorts of statements as being perfectly acceptable. I don’t see the point in insisting on being so misguided but that’s what’s happening.
My one true wish for what will happen is that SM will let go of the not very secret war they are waging behind the scenes with JYJ. If they do that then I have NO problem with anyone supporting any company or group their heart fancies. Once JYJ’s rights are restored, I’m going to be one relaxed and happy camper. But UNTIL that happens people who support SM, buy their products and act like nothing is wrong with that while SM continues to abuse JYJ are part of the problem, not part of the solution.
Thank you JYJ3 Team.
Hi guys let’s talk what’s in your mind ………. an ODP for you.
And don’t forget ….. must follow the rules ^^
❤ JYJ forever.
Hi, I’m curious about something… I kind of never understood how this rice wreath donations work… can someone be so kind and enlighten me? Thanx (◦’ں’◦)
Hello! From what I understand, fans can order the rice wreathes (or charcoal, I’ve seen those too) from companies like Dreame, and state in the order form which artist the wreathes are for, what message to write on the banner, and when & where to deliver them. The company will then prepare the rice wreathes and deliver them to the specified event. After the event, the company collects the rice wreathes and donate the rice to people in need. If there’s rice to spare, the company will hold on to the rice and donate it later.
You can read more about it here: https://dreame.co.kr:127/en/
Sorry, I only saw your answer now. Thank you for the explanation, very interesting indeed!
it’s been a long while since i’ve been here at ODP LOLL *bows at everyone* annyeong..
* tackling you from behind *
ahahahaha.. and i kade sure i have my Chunnie DP before i make proper greetings ^__^
(*⌒∇⌒*)ノ annyeong *bows to you two*
Isn’t it time that JYJ attend A-Nation in Japan this year again?? I mean, they had concert’s at Toyko Dome, JJ in Yokohama… it’s time I think! Ne?
A-Naiton ? ……ummm
it’s basically AVEX own yearly summer concert event ( something like SM town concerts) that’s why it’s called A-naiton …so why would they ever attend that again ?
expect the sm ( and yg) groups under Avex to be there though .
Oh, yeah…. me stupid, sorry, totally forgot about the fact that it’s Avex own fest ~ thank you! (⌒‿⌒)
I thought that you’ve must have forgot ..LOL
I wondered if JYJ could compete in the Red v. White competition in Japan at the end of the year. This competition invites artists with the best sales only. When JYJ releases its CD, I hope the sales will be high enough to qualify.
The White vs Red competition is called Kohaku Uta Gassen, it is year end music festival held yearly by NHK (one of TV station in Japan). But last year there was no Korean being invited to attend, i guess it was because of the Japan – Korean sentiment, there was a huge sentiment on Japanese people to reduce Korean content in their media. Yes, but I do hope if ever JYJ release material in Japan, it will become a success and hopefully being invited.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C5%8Dhaku_Uta_Gassen
if they get on just regular TV shows like they used to then great !
forgot about these Special events like Kohaku Uta Gassen because people Question the relevance of non Japanese acts there , so let’s have them on TV first and we’ll be OK .
Oh dear ….I know this is a serious thing … but the extra comments they added are killing me …
” that’s a sexy club
oh do sexy people go there ?
no that’s not what’s …”
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oSl2v19PFo0
they did about drinking in Korea and how it’s really popular …you know if anyone is interested since I see so many worry about Jaejoong’s love for alcohol and what not …you can check it out .
The by far most retweeted tweet of my account is “Kim Junsu in Mozart The Musical – I Am Music”, makes me always so uverhappy to see ppl love his singing!!! (≧‿≦) #justsaying
Totally random but for anyone who needs some extra cash try this:
Before you go to sleep tonight say out loud “I will always have more money than I will ever need in this lifetime. Thank you Universe.”
You may or may not win money, but you’ll find that money will come to you in other ways, via specials or cheapy deals etc. I know it might sound silly or even crazy to some, but trust me it works! (Now whenever I go shopping about half the stuff I want is on special, taxi drivers don’t make me pay full fare, etc.) & don’t forget to thank the Universe whenever you do win any money or save it on specials. 🙂
@ Sapphire
Is your method derived from the best seller book, “The Secret”? It’s a great book, by the way.
Maybe JYJ and/or its fans should believe justice would be restored with this method?
@ee3451
Hi 🙂 No, it was taught to me by someone I trust. I have read The Secret though.
I just read on twitter today that Incheon will be holding Korean music festival but JYJ is not included on their list wherein JYJ is there
honorary ambassador!
=_____________= ..a festival for Korean music and the honorary ambassadors of the place who happened to be MUSICIANS are not in included .
There is just no end in this public persecution of JYJ despite gov’t agency warnings … SoMe ASS company will not put an end to their slyness until they could literally skin JYJ alive … WTF! I feel like trauma hitting me as a result of my overwhelming frustration over JYJ’s trials and tribulations!
BREATHE … some karmic return will eventually bless JYJ for all the sufferings they’ve endured through the years! SoMe Asshats …. I am voicing out my wish for your soon punishment for your evil actions!
I maybe out of line and enough is enough!
@jade
I think I probably share your level of disgust at what has gone on for the last 3 years and of course the continued stalemate now. This is why I say the only way to “get SM’s attention” is by a direct hit in the bank account. We must boycott all SM product if we ever wish to free JYJ from this nightmare.
Ya, jus knew it…. Is there any ways that we international fans can help……them…..
Csp
Hi! There are many ways we can all help: go to this page and read down the page for different things fans can do. And thanks!
🙂
https://www.facebook.com/StandUp4Jyj
Thumbs Up! 🙂
@ lilibaiyu
Because I am a JYJ’s and lilibaiyu’s fan, I reactivated my Facebook and liked your page. For professional reasons, I will remain more active on JYJ3.net than on Facebook. LOL.
@ee3451
Wow, I’m honored! 😀 Thanks so much. It’s not necessary to sign in or be a member of Facebook to access the SU4JYJ page but we’re glad to have you, that’s for sure!
Here’s an interesting review of Junsu’s new album http://seoulbeats.com/2013/07/just-how-incredible-is-junsus-incredible/. Some parts i agree, some i don’t, but that’s the reviewer’s opinion and I respect that. What i interesting is the question she brought up; which is more important, song before singer, or singer before song? I’m still mulling over that..
I’m really concerned about Yoochun, we hear all about JJ and Xia but almost nothing about Yoochun. He feels thing so deeply I hope he’s okay. Does anyone have info? Chunnie, we love you what are you doing?
[Rumor] He’s in talk for a movie.
I would love a Chunface movie! I think he is one of the best actors.
Hi guys,
I made a fan video, please see it and tell me wt u think
@ Rasha
I liked your video.
I really like your video… the song is good (⌒˛⌒) the new single from KHJ, right.
good day everyone! just kinda ask is netizensbuzz.blogspot is a credible site?
I was pissed by the creator/ owner cause we JYJ fans were and still are called MAFIA FANS. They usually biased towards JYJ. Because of those reason I didn’t visit that blog anymore.
I’ll post this article here because I find it interesting..is about the fans and its culture of giving gifts to idols.
http://onehallyu.com/index.php?/topic/17001-nb-fans-found-taking-out-private-loans-and-extra-jobs-to-pay-for-star-gifts/
Okay….well there a fine line between fan and fanatic and if you are going into debt and or working extra jobs to give gifts to rich people you have crossed that line.
I adore JYJ, I purchase their albums/goods and go to concerts but I’m not going to take out a loan or spend bill/food money to do it and I don’t think they would want me too. I think small gifts of appreciation may be okay and certainly charitable donations in a stars name are wonderful.
But people should act realistically, will an idol really love you because you gave them or his/her mother a gift? If so then something not right! Frankly, I think anyone who would asked for or accept expensive gifts from a fan has questionable ethics and are taking advantage of some ones obsessive behavior.
the problems with this article, some people assuming that the group compose of 3 given example as “A” is JYJ……
Many don’t agree with it… and it’s also totally unlogical, every one of them can buy everything they want, whilst kpop idols from other companies don’t have really the money, so well…
weather it’s true or not this was writing to point to JYJ …who else would people think it was ? ….and people will believe it …they believe anything !
TaeTiSeo LOL (≧∇≦) anyway, I don’t believe a millisecond it is our boys and also I totally agree with what you said “they believe anything”…
What the… “A + B released a gift list to the fans…” I’m speechless!!
@Slynn
Same opinion here
well …in my opinion … people ( fans ) should just do two things with the money they chose to spend supporting someone …1) buy their stuff that they release like music or DVD , and attend their shows when they can .
2) donate to charities in their name .
what I don’t think fans should do is buy expansive gifts to their favorites or their families or people they work with because they can do without it ( this includes the whole lunch boxes and buffet thing )…also the birthday ads thing is a no for me for the same reason .
what I’m trifling about is ads for groups that are heavily promoted , yet there fans still pay for ads ” by fans “…I mean I see why some JYJ fans do it to help them get through being blocked , but why are others who support idols who are practically EVERYWHERE still doing ads for them ? …do we not see enough of them already .?
It’s really the nature of the beast. These companies created a culture wherein they wanted the fans to feel as if they were a part of the artists lives. Now that the horse has gotten out of the barn, they want to close the door. Too late. I agree, there are some questionable instances…a $7,000 dollar horse shaped lamp? But that’s just my personal take on bad taste.
As to the reference, of “a three member group”. Well, even if they were insinuating it was JYJ, this again is one of those, no reliable source of factual information. Just a bunch of he said, she said nonsense. It’s not as if we’re talking Pulitzer Prize investigative journalism here. Besides, given all the fan pics that show up when gifts are given to the members of JYJ and their event staff, all is documented for the world to see.
The rice wreaths alone indicate that JYJ fans support their members with the thought in mind of doing for others. Fan sites post fundraising efforts, provide details on what is collected, etc. Did they take the time to mention the donations JYJ members made to various places when disasters struck? Or the collaboration with Elle for the trees?
@BAF
” I agree, there are some questionable instances…a $7,000 dollar horse shaped lamp? But that’s just my personal take on bad taste.”
Yes, and now he actually has to “proudly display” the thing in his house! For a man with Jaejoong’s excellent taste in furnishings, that’s just cruel. lol
I’ve long believed that the practice of giving pricey designer everything to Our Boys is misguided at best. They DON’T NEED all this stuff, that’s the bottom line. But I agree with you BAF, the entertainment companies set this kind of thing in motion by encouraging fans to feel they have a personal relationship with these young men. Then they tut-tut at the fangifts? I don’t think I buy it for an instant.
They are definately referring to JYJ, but I don’t believe for a moment that any of the JYJ boys or C-jes will do such a thing, just not in their nature. Another false rummour!
I just had to share this Baby Jae pic with you all, it’s ADORABLE!!!! https://p.twimg.com/Ay-S_QTCYAA6i__.jpg
I love LOVE baby pictures !!!!!
Jaejoong has absolutely no worry’s if he ever has kids and they turn out to be miniature copy’s of him ….people like to point out that he had plastic surgery but no matter what it was he seriously doesn’t look that different especially if you look at his teenage pictures .
@meme & JYJ
I’m not even sure I’ve seen a photo of Jae as a teenager. I’ve seen photos where he looks like a teenager but they seemed like “after debut” pics, so they weren’t. But I have seen a lot of plastic surgery in my time and if Jae’s had any, it was the most artfully and skillfully done I’ve ever seen and also it was very minor changes.
I’ve seen quite a few teen Jae pictures all before his debut from the time I was regularly in dbsk sites and forums back in the day …..he really hasn’t changed that much .
I think he may have done some “adjustments” to further perfect his nose ( and maybe the eyes like people say …I don’t know they look the same but whatever) but it’s pretty obvious that nothing major was done .
and no matter how much some people insist on , he still looks the same each time you see him from every angle ….I mean we have eye you know .
@meme & jyj
I just Googled and was just looking at some photos of him as a teen. http://www.soompi.com/2011/09/25/celeb-style-file-kim-jaejoong/ Honestly, I don’t see it. His nose and mouth look the same in that school photo. As he gets older his eyes become huge and round. It would have been way too early for him to have had surgery then. So I don’t see it. Others say they do. So I guess the debate goes on. But nobody disputes that he’s gorgeous now. 🙂
Oh god ..that first baby picture is killing me ….just look at that face and hands ….Jaejoong please have babies NOW !!!!
@meme & JYJ
I thought so too actually… how beautiful will his babies look like; he’ll surely have a gorgeous wife!! ^^
JYJ ended their contract to TM? and now the new endorser is from SM..
Who is TM? Where is your source?
In the nicest way possible, that’s inconsiderate of TM.
@ee3451
I think it makes SM look like a bunch of idiots actually, following behind JYJ and doing what they do after they do it. I think it makes them look pathetic. The “biggest entertainment company in SK” is now dogging JYJ’s footsteps and saying “See, See?? We can do that too, ya know!” Pathetic.
Agreed!!
TM contract was one-year contract so were T-ara, BEG, song joong ki etc they make contract every year with new model , no need to make a big deal of it.
I agree. Everyone runs the gamut.
I honestly wasn’t a fan of their TM ads and CM …. hopefully they would find a better brand to endorse
Tony Moly
I’m sad that most of jyj fans hate HOMIN do not do it, please respect them as jyj’s friends they’ve been together since they were young n we as an outsider don’t know what’s on their mind. I love jyj’s music compare to others and want them to get fair treatment but i do not want them to go back as dsbk because they are JYJ not else.
JYJ’s music is really superb most of you agree with me let’s continue our support even though this latest incheon concert incident occurred where they have decided not to invite jyj n only used jyj “as always” for their beneficial purpose it’s ok because we know that JYJ have us that’s why they will not be weaken because of this. “let’s close our eyes and let me tell you the reason why because we are one of a kind JYJ FANS”. “ALWAYS KEEP THE FAITH” that’s what they are always saying n looks like JAEJOONG ALSO SHARED our thoughts reading from his twitter account.
Do bring your OT5 sentiments to OT5 sites only. This is a JYJ site, an OT3 site.
Your whatever “Faith” has nothing to do with our JYJ.
Have your read rules here?
Much appreciate if you do.
Thanks!
T/N: They are not friends anymore. Let’s move on. Don’t burden yourself.
Personally, I’d avoid saying that they’re friend/not friends as a FACT altogether not just because it’ll always create some kind of unnecessary drama (hell I’m so tired of drama, being a fan of DB5K since before and now JYJ) but also because we don’t know for sure what the heck is going on in their personal lives. Fans should just let it go already.
I know a lot of OT5 fans use this site too because JYJ3 is really up to date and possibly the biggest international JYJ fansite, but surely, SURELY you guys should know by now to compartmentalise your fangirling appropriately. I know it’s hard to read people bashing/criticising HoMin or whatever, but do what I do. Defend them rationally if they need defending (without making your assumptions as facts) or better yet just ignore it. In fact, I don’t think I’ve ever actually defended/supported HoMin here except to maybe clear a few misconceptions. And I’ve been on this site since it started.
I’m sure all of us here would benefit by remembering and respecting that this is, first and foremost, a JYJ site.
@ lia00027
I can’t tell you who to support and what website to visit. But please be considerate to others.
JYJ3.net is designed for JYJ fans only. If you like HoMin or SM artists, fine but don’t share that on JYJ3.net given their ugly lawsuit and history. Don’t make excuses that we don’t know what’s on their mind because that’s irrelevant. Go to TVXQ5 and HoMin websites to voice your opinion. You’re inconsiderate.
What are you trying to accomplish with your statement “please respect [HoMin] as JYJ’s friends”? Again, this is a JYJ website and selected people chose to visit JYJ3.net to talk about JYJ and not HoMin . Take your plead to TVXQ5 and HoMin websites. You’re very inconsiderate.
@murasaki @ee3451 have u read through all my words it seemed that you don’t. I’ve written clearly that i support jyj entirely n dont want them to go back as dbsk as it means that they’ll betray their souls to sme. What do u both mean by not talking about homin do u think that their time together easily can be erased by some bad words, why do u think jyj never ever bashing homin and homin do the same because they respect their memories once changmin come in defense for junsu because all bashing junsu for his tweet and don’t try no to think otherwise, changmin said “whoever say bad things about dbsk members it means that they will taint the memories of dbsk” since then all sme artist stop saying bad things about jyj.
I don’t wish whoever you are to understand but i am 100% jyj fans even bought their limited “come on over” edition until $340 n collecting all their cds n dvds even when junsu was almost being betrayed by leon me n other fans may be including you tweeted n broadcast the news until 10hrs even i was working at the morning n it took me only 2 hours to sleep to catch my flight the next day to let the whole world know about junsu’s condition n to let jyj get fair treatment.
Your comments undeniedbly hurts me i checked jyj3 every day i like jyj music, their interaction with fans n i was knowing jyj only at the beginning of 2013 n have been reading n watching all about them but never once i know them as not regarding others. So don’t hurt others to make yourself please that’s embarrasing, don’t you ever tell me that i’m not inconsiderate while its you who dont read n dont understand about my comment clearly.
Read this: i wasnt defending homin or ither sme artist but if u bashing me because of this then whats the different between you two n sm for bullying me virtually n hurting my feeling like this. U think its easy to comment hurtful thing to others n not thinking about anything else but obviously you two learn from other jyj fans attitude for your bullying comments to me which is so hurtful n so painful for me to accept. I love jyj since 2012 but really updating all the situation at 2013. Note that what u did is REALLY HURTFUL.
EDIT COMMENT FOR THE LAST PART
Read this: i wasnt defending homin or other sme artist but if u bashing me because of this then whats the different between you two n sm for bullying me virtually n hurting my feeling like this. U think its easy to comment hurtful thing to others n not thinking about anything else but obviously you two SHOULD learn from other jyj fans attitude for your bullying comments to me which is so hurtful n so painful for me to accept because others can understand my comment n read through all of it while u 2 obviousIy jyst read the 1st part if my comment which is hello read all the part. i love jyj since 2012 but really updating all the situation at 2013. Note that what u did is REALLY HURTFUL.
I cannot believe it i’ve been bashing by my own virtually friend of jyj fans. This is so hurt until i cannot sleep n its 3 am in my country. How could others hurt others who have the same feeling for something? Listening jyj “in heaven” song will bring me peace through mind. Almost cring here for that. Sorry for others who think im stupid for commenting this but it just so painful after all the effort, money, time i use to support jyj n there still someone call me “inconsiderate” n ask me to leave this site. Gosh this ia just to painful call me pathetic but jyj music helps me a lot to get through my rough tiring days. Love u all jyj fans lets always support jyj. btw i don’t get any reply regarding my complain to south korea ministry of tourism n sport that mot included jyj on the list of the concert, guess the government don’t care about people complaining to them rather care about their connection with sme.
I hope jyj will always be strong bcoz i believe that lsm wont never let go of them 3 until he’s sick, he once said that ” dbsk is his jackpot machine” no wonder yuchun was creating “nameless song” to let the world know what kind of person he is. Forgive my spelling its hard to typing using iphone n the screen is really small.
Don’t loose sleep over a comment….that sounds really unhealthy.
@Lia00027
Dear, please calm down. Your comments about being bashed are way way over the top exaggerated. I read through everyone’s comments and you seem to be wanting to have some sort of an emotional confrontation with the posters here. I don’t think anyone bashed you. They merely told you this wasn’t the place to discuss your theories about Homin. We don’t do that here. Since you were talking about Homin, you needed to be reminded, that’s all. These are the rules of the site. Let’s all just be mindful of them and then we can all get along fine.
🙂
Thank you lilibayu for always speaking up. ^^
@murasaki
lol You’re welcome, my friend. It’s not universally popular when I do but my job here is not to please everyone but to tell the truth as I see it and to support the members without fail. Cheers!
xxoo
@lilibaiyu hi i know about that but it sound bashing since the word of incosiderate nd told me to leave is ver harsh for me. Like those 2 are the only one who want to protect jyj while i am an anti jyj which is absolutely wrong I even have a dream about this. Thanks anyway.
I am not telling you to leave, you do not have to self- pity yourself. FYI, I have EX-OT5 friends and they are nothing like you. Which means, they totally cut off their sentiments and now as a JYJ’s Fans and proud of it.
This is a only gentle reminder. Do read the rules here. No matter what, this is an Pure JYJ blog and I thank you very much on behalf of our JYJ, for spending your money on them and acknowledge their music IS INDEED…SUPERD. ^^ ♥ ♥ ♥
@lia00027
Hi again, don’t worry about the word “inconsiderate” it’s actually a nice way of saying “you offended me” it’s not bashing. And thanks for being understanding about the rules if the site. The Admins do actively enforce the rules. It hurts one’s feelings when they censor one’s posts so you’ll want to avoid that if possible. I’m glad you’re here.
🙂
this is out of topic since there seems to be an OT5 and OT3 subtle war going on…which doesnt interest me because whoever feels that they are suddenly being bashed should know that not everyone has the same opinion and if one says something differntly from what she/he expected, they shouldnt be jumping around huffing and puffing unneccessarily. its normal and should be taken in a stride. I dont always get people agreeing to me doesnt mean that I should start feeling offended and unwanted.
Okay that said…did anyone else see the new pic of Jaejoong together with Heechul!!! I am so happy to see it!! AND I love Heechul for allowing pictures to be taken and posted too. its like a bitch slap on SM’s face.
I followed the links and here is the one for the pic…its in a super junior blog site
heechul kinda doesn’t give a f**k most of the time so he would be the one to still be seen with JJ .
it’s funny though how they weren’t that much friendly at the beginning under SM .
and JJ is still trying to wink I see LOL
….. who’s that guy on the left that looks like Yoochun’s long lost uncle ?
LOL! He does resemble Yoochun doesn’t he?
Yoochun is ridiculously handsome …. how are we seeing the resemblance ?
pssst….. I see it too.
someone named gunhee i think…dont know who he is but i saw the chunnie resemblance too!!! LOL
Heechul was the first I liked (when I didn’t even know about SuJu and that he was part of it) exactly bcz of the “don’t give a f***” mentality ^^
I never understood where people got the idea they weren’t friendly in the beginning though, considering they were put in a project group together and all. The only big thing that happened (about the whole burger thing and not talking for a long time after) was after they already debuted for a while.
Maybe because Heechul was seen more as Yunho’s friend rather than Jaejoong? Jae was a lot closer to Kangin, Hankyung and Yesung back then compared to Heechul. Anyway, I can’t wait for mighty Heenim to come back from the army soon!
well for me it was because fans kept say that ( both fandoms ) … and the burger incident ( with its many versions ) made me think heechul isn’t letting that go from a Junior that quickly .
Nice to get away from pointless conversations. I wonder what the members are doing now?
hopefully …resting , eating well , choosing their next projects , working on new music …..
and getting laid .. * runs for life*
pahahahahahahahhaha ~ I like that list ^^
LMAO!!!!
This is a good list. I love it!
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I can’t post to the interesting conversation so I want to see if it’s the thread or the whole site.
So this isn’t a complete waste of space, have a vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU4AYa_qa_w
Hey Eliza,
Cool video, thanks for sharing. Which convo thread are you speaking about? Are you saying this is a tech issue or a preserve my sanity issue? 😉
I would like to pass along my email address to you: Octavia714@hotmail.com
@BAF2
This was a tech issue. (Which seems to be continuing, this is attempt #2) I kept getting “unable to post your comment” as early as yesterday morning. At first I thought it was because I used a few words which might have offended delicate sensibilities, but even after I cleaned those up still no go. Shortened my essay to a few sentences — nope. *sigh*
Yes, you know which post it was. 😉 But I find that it’s the threads that make me roll my eyes the most are also the one which bring out some very insightful comments. Ones interesting enough to bring me out of determined lurkdom. Although, I see the comment thread has…gone away, so maybe my denial was for the best.
@Eliza
It’s been a very contentious discussion. Once again the fandom has decided, probably mostly out of boredom since the guys are seemingly in limbo activity-wise, to tear itself to pieces. The Jaejoong zealots are on the warpath again. You can’t reason with them and if you suggest that the whole topic is hopelessly subjective, counter-productive and to say the least not what the members would want to see posted you are censored immediately.
@lilibaiyu
I think part of the problem is that international fans–particularly western fans–cannot understand the K-pop fan culture in Korea. I’ve only been exposed to it for 7 years and I still find it very…strange and frightening. The K-pop fanclubs were created by the big companies (SME likely being the Frankenstein in this endeavour) in order to direct and control the fans. They co-oped admins of these sites and “fandoms” to do their job for them in promoting their artists and in exchange the admins have considerable power and access under this structure. It seems that CJeS is not supporting the model. Not just not supporting, they have no idea how to deal with it. And I can’t really blame them, it is…unique in the entertainment world.
As for the rest…. I really hope Jaejoong goes into the army soon.
@Eliza
I agree with your your analysis about the origins of this K-Pop fandom phenomenon. It was certainly something I’d never seen before about 4 years ago. It is occasionally very unsettling and these fanwars are completely out of any possible experience I’ve had. I have been very suspicious about the various tactics of the K-Pop fan culture for almost as long as I’ve been aware of them. I think they are manipulative and take terrible advantage of young girls. The fans are sold a bill of goods that is completely illusory. Being “in love” with a pop star who doesn’t know you’re alive and never will is not real love and when you add to that “You MUST support him so here, buy all of this popstar’s music, swag, concert tickets, etc etc” it becomes a whole lot like shameless commerce and little else.
I feel SO bad for Jaejoong constantly having to be confronted with these hoards of women fighting over situations that they have no say in whatsoever. If as you say C-jeS is simply not going along with the rules of running a fanclub that were created by SM, then I say hooray for C-jeS. As I said before I just hope by some miracle Jaejoong does not see any of this latest slander directed against his friends and co-workers. How embarrassing and sad it would be for him to have to deal with the aftermath of this viciousness.
I hear all the time about how they write letters, donate money, drive support projects, sell stickers and glow sticks and are constantly on vigil on the internet about the slightest negative word against their idols and I’m told that if I think that is way too much for a fan to be doing then I’m just a silly I-fan who doesn’t understand. No, I understand completely. These are freaks who need to get a life. They think that just because they aren’t stalking the guys or insulting them that it makes them so great and incapable of doing wrong. You ladies aren’t so superior to sasaengs. It is one thing to do a nice gesture for JYJ and it is another for it to become your full time job and then expecting that the company and the guys owe you everything just because they asked for some suggestions.
This system to me is toxic and that sissy letter just pissed me off. Jesus Christ you’d think we’d be reading an account of Darfur with all the damn crying. Now, I think this system (The idol company controlling all the music and acting projects you do) and fans who are so “supportive” it is intrusive and babying is a complete pincer hold on the idol. Now I am not saying that this is the case for JYJ but you can see how lesser people could be overwhelmed by this. JYJ have had a combination of formidable self will and luck but others aren’t so fortunate. Not to mention they don’t show as much potential either. But that is a story for another day…..
Think of Justin Beiber, he is not a very talented young man but his charisma seems to have won the “support” of millions of young women who are willing to do ANYTHING for him and then we wonder why he is such a spoiled little jerk and not to mention, pityingly, also a very lost young man. How can he possibly grow up right under such circumstances? How can he be anything else than a teen idol if people (even those who claim to love him) can’t piss off for at least a day? Everything he does is criticized by haters and justified with almost insane passion by the fans. And people seriously wonder why he is so messed up? How is this Korean system any different? There are individuals who can withstand this with effort but again, not everyone is lucky, and it is just a matter of time before some of them drown from the pressure. Others grow enormous egos because they think that since their fans believe they can do no wrong that they are the greates thing since sliced bread.
If I give a critique of one of the guys, but JJ in particular, there is always some idiot telling me I’m “wrong” because how dare I not see that he is just awesome and everything is great. This fandom annoys the living crap out of me sometimes. Certainly there are some great individuals here but sometimes I feel like….it is just too much. Mindless fangirling isn’t helping the artist or the fangirl. It is a toxic and mindless activity that needs to be reigned in. Just knowing that SME had a hand in this makes me so angry!!!!
@ Eliza I want them to go to the army soon too…If they would have gone in 2010 they would have been in 2012 >.<
Yes. If they had gone earlier it would have been much better but was is done is done. I can’t wait to see the army bodies *drool*
@ retrokim Yoochun will not have a army body 😦 he will probably get fat and bearded well at least he will be healthy, JJ will look like the beginning era and JS like mirotic (this was his most muscular era right?)
Hey, there. I just got back online and saw your response. Well, there was a change made. Not sure why but it’s somewhat disconcerting. There is such a thing as the good, the bad, and the ugly. This comes with everything we do in life.
@Alexa
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
He has to come out sexy and shaved! SEXY AND SHAVED DAMMIT!!!
fingers crossed***
I always found Yoochun’s slender body sexy …. it’s like his thing and it works for him but not Jaejoong who is best when he’s buffed .
Well he will be going to public service, so fat and bearded is a distinct possibility, lol! But I bet he won’t, I’m sure he will continue his workouts though, ok well I’m not sure but I’m hoping like heck. Right now he looks really nice, like really really nice. I think he must be lifting and eating well. His butt looks amazing, I’m sure it is the product of squats. Fingers crossed for sexy and shaved.
^Her*
It was a cute video. I watched like….the fist two episodes and then I just stopped. Not because it was horrible or anything but it didn’t just get me. I watched Reply 1997 and while some characters annoyed me in the beginning….they won me over by the end so I didn’t miss an episode. Then I got distracted by “Breaking Bad” so I haven’t really had time for Korean dramas. I read somewhere that there will be a reply 1994 that actually doesn’t seem like it will be the red-headed stepchild of Reply 1997 but Go Ara might be in it and I have to say that she is a decent actress but she has never wowed me so I’m not sure if I’m gonna like it….
Any interesting dramas coming soon guys?
first …Breaking bad is magnificent !
reply 1997 wasn’t as good as people made it to be … I’m one of the few that think it was overrated in general .
I haven’t see much good dramas lately ….Bridal Mask (Gaksital) was the last thing I enjoyed and it was last year .
I keep dropping dramas half through … don’t have much patience as I used to .
@meme & jyj
I just finished “Gu Family Book.” I liked it, it was good. I decided to watch “King 2 Hearts” next because I love Ha Ji Won.
Reply 1997 was a simpler drama without all the evil mothers and rich guys who treat girls like shit. It was a bit nostalgic but yes there are people who over-hyped the drama and got on my nerves as well. I haven’t seen Bridal Mask or Gu Family Book. I need to get on it……King 2 Hearts is about royalty right?
I also heard that “The Chaser” was a good drama.
King 2 Hearts didn’t do it for me …I was expecting it to be better but no ….
I want to watch Gu Family Book but my k-pop loving niece and here friends LOVED it …and knowing her , I thought ” I’ll skip this one ” .
@Retrokim
King 2 Hearts – Sort of about royalty… there’s princes. lol I’m not sure that I’ll like it, I just started it this afternoon. I’m trying to actually take a day off but so far I haven’t been all that successful at it. lol
My Korean drama forum watches all kinds of dramas. Our Drama of the Month Club just finished 7th Level Civil Servant. I loved Joo Win in it, tried Bridal Mask and decided it wasn’t for me. It was up and down for me, mostly up. We’re doing Ghost right now, and I am thoroughly loving it. It’s fast paced, lots of intrigue and some darn good acting.
Might I suggest — I Am Legend. It’s a great chick drama. An all female band created just so some talented women could take a break from their daily lives to fulfill their passion at playing keyboard, guitar, and drums. Only to find themselves propelled into becoming music stars, and all the drama that incurs.
Ladies of this thread, I find myself nodding along. I disagree on some things but I find sense in the other things being said. These days, it depresses the hell out of me that JYJ3, a site that used to be so cool, calm and collected is now a site where, as I have observed, people have waged a silent war on other “inferior” fans.
So before I go back to lurking mode, just my two cents walking way from this issue.
(1) Saying that we should trust JYJ’s decision =/= equal to being a stan of CJES. Who in their right mind would even think of worshipping a company just because an artist signs on to that company? That’s inane. Some people are missing the very central point that JYJ chose CJES and by bashing CJES (in the guise of seeking improvement) is belittling the capability of JYJ themselves to make a decision and stick to it no matter what. That is being disrespectful to JYJ. If it’s love, then it’s love that so smothering, it can kill.
(2) This is murky and others will bash me for it, implying that YooSu gets preferential treatment over Jaejoong is a total disrespect to their brotherhood, their respectful give and take relationship. When one is active, they have so few resources and contacts that the company has to focus on that other person. That’s how I would like to believe they operate. Not on some vindictive level against any member just because. Besides, would we have all been so engrossed in this issue if we are inundated by so many activities from JYJ? No. I don’t think so.
(3) I have long ago suspected this, but with that latest dividing issue it seems the monster’s head has already come out in the open. You can see it in who or who has not been commenting on which post about which member. There are so many individual fans here that I feel that this is no longer a site for JYJ- all three of them, not just JJ, YC and JS as individuals. The concept of being a group, producing and creating music that is a synthesis of all three of them is lost to some of the posters here. If you feel that you need to protect one member more than the others, it would be better if you go to a site dedicated only to that one person.
(4) Some people here lack subtlety. Please don’t equate being a better fan to being able to do more for this person. Are you saying that I am less of a fan because I myself can’t log in extra hours for fan support, I can’t agree with Herose’s intentions 100%, or I can’t fawn over the lavish gifts being given? If people don’t agree with this concept, then don’t bash them as well. They probably just have a different opinion than yours, not inferior, but a different opinion. Let them be, we are all fans supporting our boys in our own individual ways.
Peace and love to the JYJ Republic 🙂
THANK YOU JAN!
@Jan
Thank you Jan, you’re an old friend of the posters here on JYJ3 — thanks for your insightful and thought provoking post. I miss your presence here.
It’s become a bit of a problematical place to be these days for many of the reasons you named. You are far from the only one who has noticed these things you mention but it becomes more and more difficult to be heard amid the din of the one individual only fans and all of their many complaints and insults aimed at JYJ’s management. As I’ve said until I was blue in the face, if the guys knew of the rancor among one member only fans it would break their hearts. It’s hard to fathom why fans just don’t get this one basic truth about the members of JYJ and their deep love and loyalty to one another but they DON’T.
*sneeze*
My eyes are swollen and I have to go to work tonight!!!!!!!
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Individuals on this site seem very naive and what is more sad is that some of you mistakenly think that you are informed and wise when you speak not a lick of Korean or Japanese and rely on the information given by fans and news outlets who do. You do not have to agree with Herose, but the denial of CJes being incompetent and of their having no sense of rapport with any fan, especially international fans, is the truth. I have encountered several fans be them Jaejoong biased, or not, who have recounted their negative experiences with that company. I don’t expect CJes to be a doormat, but as a consumer I do expect decent customer service. There was once a poster who tried so hard to tell you all about CJes and their failings, and you shut her down assuming she was an anti and trying to cause strife. She was not. I emailed with her and she really just wanted i-fans to be more proactive in searching for a space within fandom, to show their numbers. She started a petition. It got little traction but she did submit it and revealed that when she did, CJes rejected it and said that they have no plans to extend membership to overseas fans.
Yes, the men of JYJ have chosen CJes to work with. That does not mean that I, as a fan, will blindly not see the bs that goes on in that company, the arrogance of that company and on top of that arrogance their inability to properly manage JYJ. JYJ themselves must decide what future they build for themselves, but even though they are the party I trust most that does not imply that I believe every word that comes out of their mouths. I do not expect Jaejoong, Yoochun, or Junsu to get up and trash the company that is managing them, while they must still survive in that environment and don’t exactly have infinite options of other management. I’ll just say this, for people who call SM and OT5 stans naive and foolish some sound an awful lot like they do when they defend a company whose actions have shown their lack of care.
CJes needs to improve. There are so many small things that would greatly improve their image and rapport with fans. It’s unacceptable that they can’t keep a calender updated or use their youtube channel. It’s unacceptable that do not have staff who answer phone calls and emails. It is not acceptable that they can’t hire individuals who have a good enough handle on English to not let through basic spelling errors. These are small things and they have not improved in any area. These are small things that if updated and used effectively could head off so many problems that this fandom experiences. Propler use of SNS services would allow CJes to put a stop to rumors quickly by quick dispersal and spread of information. It is not easy to manage JYJ obviously, but they do not utilize even the easy things that would improve their services.
Agree with a lot of what you said.
Especially this: “It is not easy to manage JYJ obviously, but they do not utilize even the easy things that would improve their services.”
We’re obviously not expecting miracles, but what CJeS CAN and SHOULD do is improve, little by little. To me, it doesn’t even have to be a huge thing. I’m sure something like better communication would go a long way to appease us international “consumers”. It’s not hard to update twitter after all, barely a few seconds. Take Shinhwa for example, Eric updates the Shinhwa Company fb acc, on top of his own personal schedule, the group’s schedule, co-managing Shinhwa Company, producing his girl group Stellar, and other little things. I’m sure the person managing the JYJ fb account could spare a couple of minutes to update twitter too. Yes, it’s great that Jae and Junsu has their own personal twitter accounts, but an official one disperses irrefutable info straight from the company.
And youtube. Oh youtube. If SuJu’s Donghae can put up a 28-second video on the SMTOWN channel of him making coffee, anyone can. Seriously though, if they partner up with Youtube (or are they already a Youtube partner?) they CAN make money. I wouldn’t even care if they put up loads of ads, like KBSWorld. I’d still watch the heck out of every JYJ video, even more so probably if they’re gonna make money off it. I mean, I already watch random cat videos, it’s not gonna be a huge stretch for me.
I’m not even touching the issues K-fans have because let’s face it, whatever we say or fight about here, K-fans are the ones who work/talk with CJeS on a regular basis.
@moony205
“JYJ themselves must decide what future they build for themselves, but even though they are the party I trust most that does not imply that I believe every word that comes out of their mouths.”
No, apparently you do not “trust” JYJ in the slightest. You do not trust their choices, understand their situation or realize their circumstances. You are a Korean fan who is used to the frenetic, unctuous panderings of the big entertainment companies like SM and that’s what you want C-jeS to be – just like SM. As big, as powerful, as in-your-face 24-7 as SM is – that’s what you want but guess what? JYJ don’t want that. Because SM was cheating them of their royalties and working them to death. So they left and after much deliberation, they chose Baek Chang Ju’s C-jeS. Sorry, I know you’re terribly disappointed with their choice but that’s what they did. C-jeS, I guess it would be fair to say, doesn’t care about all of your many suggestions for how to make their company better either. They are doing the best they can under the present circumstances they are faced with. Why can’t fans realize this? C-jeS doesn’t operate in the same reality that big thuggish companies like SM operate in. They continue to struggle and JYJ continue to want to hang in there with them. Why? Because it’s more important to JYJ to be in charge of their own career choices and not to be robbed than it is to fit in to your perfect, consumer-friendly agenda for them. What you don’t like or approve of, Moony205, is the members of JYJ’s choices. C-jeS is their clearing house for doing exactly what they want to do now. Sorry you’re so disappointed.
@lilibaiyu
“Because it’s more important to JYJ to be in charge of their own career choices and not to be robbed than it is to fit in to your perfect, consumer-friendly agenda for them. What you don’t like or approve of, Moony205, is the members of JYJ’s choices. C-jeS is their clearing house for doing exactly what they want to do now.”
I’d have to respectfully disagree. @moony205 said:
” It’s unacceptable that they can’t keep a calender updated or use their youtube channel. It’s unacceptable that do not have staff who answer phone calls and emails. It is not acceptable that they can’t hire individuals who have a good enough handle on English to not let through basic spelling errors. These are small things and they have not improved in any area. These are small things that if updated and used effectively could head off so many problems that this fandom experiences.”
Following your logic @lilibaiyu, what you’re saying is JYJ themselves don’t want their calendar updated? They don’t want to have staff to answer phone calls/ e-mails? JYJ chose CJeS precisely to handle these things. It is CJeS’ responsibility to do what they’re supposed to do as a managing company. Manage. Nobody is demanding 24/7 whatevers. We’re talking small things that can improve their reputation. Not JYJ’s reputation, CJeS’ reputation.
“Because it’s more important to JYJ to be in charge of their own career choices and not to be robbed than it is to fit in to your perfect, consumer-friendly agenda for them.”
Yes, of course it’s important for JYJ to be in charge of their career choices, but that’s exactly it. They choose their own schedules and projects. They ARE in charge. CJeS is supposed to handle the other stuff. Also, just putting it out there, the JYJ Membership Week (which I think is brilliant) is the epitome of consumer-friendly.
iraaa, I am so thankful to read your comment. You provide excellent suggestions, I hope they will use them.
@iraaa, Imaki, etc.
You “hope C-jeS will do better” because you posted a list of complaints in English (!) on a JYJ blog?? Does that make a whole lot of sense to you? It doesn’t to me. I have been trying to understand the situation as it currently is and describe that, not post a lot of complaints that no one associated with C-jeS will ever read; all it does is stir up resentment and rancor among fans, which is counter-productive to JYJ’s interests and progress. C-jes, I think it’s fair to say is suffering from siege mentality. Today for instance they have just gotten more exceptionally bad news. This happens all the time. They have actual battle fatigue, I would imagine. But lets put it another way, let’s look at it from the guys’ perspective: lets say you have a best friend who’s having a really really hard time in their life and other kids come up to you all the time and complain about what a dorky kid she is, how she’s always screwing up and she’s never doing things the right way. This is your very best friend and you try to defend her and keep the peace. But these kids won’t stop coming with their complaints. These kids don’t care about what a rough time she’s having, they just feel entitled to keep complaining about her. It would get tiresome after a while, right?
If nothing is changing at C-jeS after months of fan’s complaints, THAT’S what I think is probably going on there. They are still overwhelmed with the situation they continue to face in SK and JYJ has told them “Don’t worry about it, hang in there, we’re with you, just do the best you can.” At this point, all further ragging on them about their shortcomings is doing is making them retreat further away from interaction with fans.
@lilibaiyu
I’ll have to gently disagree with you, I read moony205’s post thoroughly and I do not think she wants C-JeS to be like SM. Far from it. I think what she wants is improvement in C-JeS’ management capabilities. Korean fans know as well as any of us the limitations of C-JeS in terms of manpower and experience, but that is no excuse for their lack of improvement. There are so many incidents which demonstrate C-JeS’ continued incompetence, from album and concert logistics to public relations to usage of SNS, etc. Early on in their history, fans could excuse the mistakes because they were inexperienced, but it’s been 3+ years now.
I know JYJ has repeatedly stated that they’re happy with Baek Chang-ju and C-JeS, but fans can still voice out constructive criticisms. It doesn’t have anything to do with trusting JYJ, it’s just trying to help them make things easier for JYJ, by fixing things that can easily be fixed. It’s management 101 to listen to what your customers have to say.
I am not Korean. I am a black female fan who resides in Maryland of the USA. But I have encountered many fans who know Korean and Japanese and are much more active in fandom than I. The one lady I conversed with was living in Korea and was trying to inform i-fans of the attitude CJes carried in regards to fans and their handling of them. I have observed that we as international fans know very little of the reality of fandom in Korea and Japan. We work off of what other fans chose to tell us. And when fans tell us things we don’t want to hear or accept, we reject them. I was not keen to crap on CJes either. I was reluctant in fact to just agree with what she said. I even told her that maybe her approach came on too strong and that she should try again in a more mild manner. But more and more evidence has been building that what this person I conversed with said was correct and was factual. Again, I don’t expect CJes to be perfect but they could do so much more and need to improve much more. They need to have better rapport with fans.
You are always aggressive in responses that don’t fit what you think. You assumed a million things about me based upon one exchange. Jumping to a conclusion that is dead wrong. I don’t want SM, I want better than SM. I want a space where JYJ can grow and grow with faith that their company is not using them simply for capital…
I realize that it is hard for CJes to manage JYJ. I realise that JYJ have chosen CJes. But that does not mean I won’t use my own mind to discern whether I think this company is doing it’s job well. I am not telling JYJ to leave and I don’t have to agree with their decision to stay, but I can voice my opinion on it and hope that the company growns and improves along the way. I hope for the best. I hope that JYJ’s decision works out for them. That is all. I want them to be successful, informed, and happy. When I see the behavior of a company turning fans off that raises red flags for me. Sorry, if you don’t agree with my stance. You don’t have to. You have yours and I have mine. I don’t blindly follow anyone (not even JYJ), my parents and my teachers taught me to think for myself. Take the information I have, research, and come to my own conclusions.
@moony205
“You are always aggressive in responses that don’t fit what you think. You assumed a million things about me based upon one exchange.”
Yes, you’re right I was (to you) and I’m sorry about that. I apologise for my tone. I was feeling frustrated about the disconnect happening with the topic and I’m afraid I misspoke. I didn’t mean to negate or discount your experience and point of view. I just meant to show a different way of looking at the problem. My opinion is that C-jeS is now wary of fans in general and will not be open to hearing more complaints due to the many reasons which I’ve already stated elsewhere. But again, sorry for being obnoxious the other day.
🙂
Sorry, if my first statement was misleading. I was trying to state the fact that I find it odd that we sometimes act superior in knowledge to those in Korean and Japanese fandom when we do not know the language and rely on the information, photos, and drawings, they chose to share. Yet, when we don’t agree with an action they take all the sudden they are biased, liars, who expect CJes to be a doormat/don’t comprehend how hard it is to manage a business. It’s good to be discerning, but it’s not good to willingly blind yourself to things that go against what you perceive to be truth. Anyway, this will be my last comment on this topic. I have stated my piece and hope some people took it for what it was meant to show: CJes does show that it lacks in management skills. CJes shows that they lack customer service and rapport with fans. CJes has plenty room for improvement and should seriously consider some of the suggestions fans provide. That’s it.
@moony205
I do understand frustration. Frustration happens every day in life. And even though I choose to encourage patience while or when dealing with CJeS, I don’t think they walk on water. I just view how to deal with them from a different perspective.
The world of Kpop created company/fan associations so they could manipulate the hell out of the holders of the revenue. This has led to a conditioning that gives people the feeling they have a stake in what goes on.
Yes, CJeS stated they would open up membership to the international fans, and to date that has not happened. Should they be held accountable for those words, you bet. And I’m not even going to deny your friend shouldn’t have gone to them with her particular petition. Although, you didn’t say when this occurred or how many signatures, or what the petition addressed or how it was addressed.
The JYJIFC is currently collecting names on a petition for the same issue. It’s posted here on JYJ3. It doesn’t have as many signatures as it should, but the coalition is not going to give up until there are at least 10,000 signatures on it. More would be better. In this fandom, that should be a piece of cake. But the most annoying thing to hear about why a number of folks won’t sign is because it is considered “whiny and demanding”. These from the very people who would benefit if the petition were to work. If you haven’t read it, please take a moment and do so. When you are done, can you come back and tell us where all the “whine and demand” language is in that petition. I ask that question all the time and can’t get a response.
One would hope that CJeS does get it that ALL fans count. SK has a limited amount of fans that can go around in the world of Kpop, given the way they structure the genre over there. So, it stands to reason, like any entertainment artist no matter where they come from, go Global. Entertainment is exported everywhere. So, it is up to the international fan base to construct a dialogue with CJeS. But this works better when we’re talking numbers. Large numbers have voices. The collaboration could be awesome.
My dream is one day Korean and international JYJ fans become a united voice. This is going to take time and perseverance. Factions are okay for some things, but being united makes a case much stronger. The world is full of examples. I’m sure you’ve seen them. So, why can’t that happen here? If fans are really serious about getting the attention of CJeS, let’s do it in a way that they can’t ignore and come to appreciate what those numbers mean and represent. Hopefully, we can start that dialogue here and now.
mooney205, thank you for your comment. I just made a post thinking no one is speaking up for the actual problem and am so happy to see what you wrote. Very well thought out. Again, thank you!
Living in an idealistic world is probably not possible but dreamers will dream.
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Scenario 1 – do not believe the fan, protect company
Defend company at all costs, repeat the same defense everyone has heard many times (I myself have used it), ignore the fan. Let’s just ignore any unpleasantness and hope the problem goes away. This fan is a liar, attention seeker, trouble maker (I hope you have proof for defamation).
Outcome: chaos – creates animosity between protectors of company and protectors of jyj member, problem is unresolved. Division within the jyj fans known to everyone. Happy are cjes for the protection, lsm, avex, jyj haters for anything negative towards jyj. Sad are jyj fan, jyj members, jyj fans.
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Scenario 2 – believe the fan, protect jyj member
Defend jyj member by suggesting to company the importance of customer service. Properly trained staff in dealing with public is essential for all companies involved in any industry requiring communication. There are many customer service training companies out there that are skilled for hire, they teach firstly the importance of respect within the company (individual personality assessment, some people are not meant to work with humans, knowing your employees limitations is always advantageous) before dealing with outside customer communication (disrespect and rudeness should never be tolerated in public relations). Suggestion to company, portraying a poor public image (I won’t list instances, do the research) versus a professional handling in all matters is essential (one ex. yt incident). Request to first line fans (those who communicate directly with company), for future grievances, resolve problem with company, if solution unable, then show the company what will become public.
Outcome: improved relations – company staff properly trained, professionalism a reality. Respect on all levels if attained creates an image of a respectable company worth defending. One unhappy customer or situation unresolved may lead to ten and ten to twenty and so forth with the end likely to be unpleasant. And reversed situation results in happy are many.
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Scenario 3 – do not believe fan, do not believe company
Why here then.
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Scenario 4 – only believe jyj
Who is jyj? Jaejoong, Yoochun, Junsu. How does jyj earn their living, does the company pay them? Where do the dollars from album sales and concerts come from? FANS.
It would be ridiculous to expect each member to resolve issues that arise, that is a company responsibility. We all believe in one or all members, but does that belief require personal handling from member to resolve company problems?
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Various thoughts:
If a company makes a mistake, it should explain and apologize. Address the situation and not hide ignore or cover-up. One method will gain respect with apology and solution, the other, create a poor reputation (foundation of company).
Before commenting did you ask yourself and try to research:
Who exactly is the fan, has the fan been a supporter of jyj or hater of jyj. This is not just a fan like you or me in ifan land, this is a fan a jyj staff called on the phone. Don’t believe she received the call? Is every victim guilty before proven innocent in your eyes? She could probably show us her phone bill (of course I’m guessing, but I am willing to hang, be called gullible, s—, or id—), but this would expose the company staff phone number, does she have to go this far?
If you were this fan, after years and years of mistreatment, what would you do? This fan perhaps realizes finally, the only way to improvement is to reveal information in hope that others will assist in suggestions for company betterment in future.
If anyone commenting here is trying to turn one member against the other, or turning this into hate for cjes (there is a big difference in dissatisfaction and hate), go away. Stop promoting jj fans negatively. You are just creating division and you know it (either that or must really hate jj). Are you so hard up for acknowledgement that you choose this route, bashing and demeaning one members fans? I don’t care if it is Jaejoong, Yoochun, or Junsu, how dare anyone publicly insult any member fans here on a jyj site, go somewhere else where your comments are appreciated like an OT5 site. It insults our intelligence for anyone to trash any jyj member fan here, are we to put up and shut up, most do as to not entice you for any more comments.
No one is suggesting the members split up except for extremists, why even go so far unless you want to create more problems. The jyj members love each other, friendship so special to them they call each other brothers. If they ever decide to go their separate ways, then and only then should this even be brought up. Whether we support one, two, or all members, honor and respect for each member of jyj, should come naturally (if you read the history).
jaetaku translated the information (I am assuming as I do not personally know her) for ifans to be in the know on what is actually happening in Korea, whether you believe or not, it is a posting in Korean. I am guessing she thought we were mature enough to look at the information provided and perhaps see what she sees happening. I do not think this is meant to create chaos, though it somewhat has. Can it not be looked at as a problem that needs suggestions for improvement? Is voicing a strong opinion for one against the other so important, that the focus loses, by denial of one important fact, communication is vital. And also, assistance by suggestion to a company to perform professionally, is that so difficult an expectation? Problem solving is always best when accomplished between the parties involved, however, when left unresolved, sometimes a group effort in providing suggestions for solutions can be beneficial (like a suggestions box that most conscientious companies provide for). This again, just my guess, is what she is trying to accomplish with the help of jyj3 posting for all our eyes. Can we be mindful and show our appreciation to both jaetaku and jyj3 admin for keeping us in the loop, instead of suggesting they shield us from the truth that this was an actual posting in Korean. Should jaetaku not translate for us anymore? I for one, would like to buy her dinner at least and hug her and thank her for all her time, for caring enough to share. I support her and jyj3 admin decision to post the memoir and again thank them and also say for the thankless.
Herose – anyone trying to discredit this fansite, think again please. If you do not know who they are and what they have done, do some research. I doubt that anyone from that site reads our post, but for the just in case, I’ll say, once again, thank you Herose, most of us that are true supporters of jyj are with you. Regardless if it is Jaejoong, Yoochun, Junsu, we stand behind them when anyone tries to discredit them.
Ignorance – ignoring the actual problem, cover it up with defense. I tried to be ignorant and posted a comment, then stopped reading any more of the now infamous post. However, I subscribed to notify and that was my mistake. Over two hundred additional comments, lol, I could not believe it, my curiosity overtook my initial pledge to myself, of post and ignore, so I skimmed through the comments this morning and could not believe how many repeat repeat repeat of the same. I was so glad the comments where cut, then I saw it continued here and did not want the proper people to go unacknowledged in a positive view and felt compelled to write in their favor. I know most readers will not survive my endless book here, but I felt the need to make one more comment to show support for the actual meaning of the post (even though I am a minority here) and to get this out of my head and move on.
I have fallen into the trap of defense several times on this site, and I may do so again, but with all my senses, I try to refrain on an individual attack addressing a specific person, it hurts the other person, but mostly hurts myself. I don’t think we intend to purposely hurt others, this group here at jyj3 are not that malicious type (other sites have too many sarcastic posters who fit that description, we would not want them to reside here, I think, I hope. I still believe this is a site to support jyj, each member, group or solo, fans included). We all have one thing in common, our interest in one or all members happiness and success. In the end, each person will go on believing as they do, I just hope we can do better for the sake of the boys and refrain from attacking each other (save it for sm supporters who sneak in here that want to create division).
This may sound corny but all of this started with one mistake or miscommunication, then another and another…. the beginning of a problem, how we end this repeated discussion can either be good or otherwise. I’m just hoping that we can heed the words of Park Chanho. …how we end this…
..how you finish is more important than how you begin…
look at positively and hope for improvements, it sounds so simple…
What a voice of reason, thank you @IjyjNjoy for putting them into words.
Can I share your comment in twitter and facebook? if you dont mind.
thanks kris, of course, yes please share (I don’t use FB or twitter so thank you) 🙂 there are two other comments providing excellent suggestions for improvements above. (Cut and delete anything from my comment you want, I’m too long winded, hehe got carried away)
@IjyjNjoy
Thank you, many will be glad to read their thoughts in your comment.
Fighting.
@Ijyj Njoy
Please update us all on your plans for communicating these many things to C-jeS and how that’s going. That is what I assume you are going to do – become actively involved. Because to simply enumerate the failings here and do nothing further, nothing “real world” would be pointless and obviously you have a solid plan there for reforming C-jeS. So keep us posted.
“4.Unfortunately JYJ couldn’t join this time due to conflict of interest between entertainment management and companies” i’m kinda
sad to read this tweet…..on the other part happy coz of confirming YC movie project and then again sad coz of the TOP NATE news regarding to Yochun,,,,haiiist
What Tope Nate news regarding Yoochun? Could you tell me, please?
this is regarding to his health condition which affect his ranking for military service and spotted drinking and smoking with friends…an old issue.
Thank you very much! Could you give me the link (even if written in Korean), please?
you can visit http://www.nate.com and it can be translated to english and read the entertainment section posted #1 and #2
Thank you!
I have a feeling this is going to show up on Netizen Buzz tomorrow, since these are the top articles and the top comments have over 3000 upvotes… 😐 I can just see the incoming shit storm.
he got an Important movie role so they need to stir up some shit in case people don’t do that on their own …. and that site would post it if it’s mostly negative replays ..if it’s fans comment it most likely be ignored .plus that site ( and omonotheydidn’t ) is infested with JYJ hate , especially for Jaejoong and yoochun .
@meme & JYJ
Yeah I think it’s no coincidence that Dispatch released such old photos at this timing. 😐
I actually think Netizen Buzz is a lot less infested than Omona. At least with the disqus comment system at NB, you can downvote the irrational and hateful comments, and it seems that there are enough rational people there to keep the trolls and crazies in check. Omona on the other hand is infested with obnoxious bitches because of livejournal’s totally last-century comment system.
Dispatch was also the one who first brought out Yoochun and JYJ’s enlistment and his health issue …people love that tabloid because it stalks celebs on dates as if that’s something to be liked . but never seeing that they never expose real scandals in the entertainment industry ( dating someone isn’t a scandal damnit)
by the way ….didn’t JYJ /CJes sue Dispatch for that stalker crap they released ?
what ever happen to that ? anyone know ….
@meme & JYJ
Ah, now that you mention it, I’m really curious about what happened to that too. Since it was not brought up in the news again, the case was probably settled out of court or dismissed?
And jfc I went to read the comments in the Omona bias game because I heard the crazy bitches are having a wankfest again. I really regret reading them, especially since it’s now too late to reply. I’m going to take someone’s excellent advice and never set foot there again except to vote.
if Jae wins it will piss them off more than any reply ….let them pretend to be perfect people as much as they want , not like they matter anyway .
and I’m asking because if they ( CJes and Dispatch )settled then you can bet that Dispatch would be off JYJ’s back as part of the settlement , but look at them digging at old crap about Yoochun when news of him casting in a movie is released .
and if Cjes lost then you can bet it would be all over the news and in the front Page of Dispatch’s site .
I’m thinking maybe they didn’t go through with or something ….the Korean fans probably know though but and don’t want it talked about further .
let me comment this topic for last time:
I don’t know the Herose’s Amid right or wrong, i was not involve to all what she list on, but i still read and take on mind mine what happen, and thanks to her support JJ, the same time I never trust Cjes 100%, too many time they make me disappoint, I think they put their business over the boys but of course that the real world and sometime to big thing to handle of small company like Cjes.
I will watching and support the boys with my heart with their decisions solo or group because i trust the boys strong and brave, love and carry each other.
only i didn’t like this
” Why reject only Jaejoong while allowing the other 2 members who were having solo activities”
only this sentient can make big divided of the fans, why need to compare? this is the problem between the fans with Cjes why take the boys in? did they no enough burden yet? Each of them have a lot of burden’s to handle even themselves or group more a lot the we can see , too many time i did not see they feel bad when other more activities then them, i just saw too many time they help each other member, try to back up, promotions, cougars, share all tears and bloods whatever they can. Are you sure this sentence can help JJ feel better on the front with his members, ? or he just stuck between with his management, members and fans who are the important with him? you are right to less you stress out, right to complain what money to spent for, right to want your bias bright like the sun, but are you sure he want what you want ? why don’t let the boys make their final decision, they are grown men now . which this sentence you said you want to change Cjes I didn’t see you can change them but i did see the fanwars, the disappoint and bashing other members, I think no JYJ fans want to see it , and the boys don’t want to see it except SM and or some crazy of only one bias supporter( i just say some crazy selfish pps )
anyway, YC an, JS and JJ they are very talent, they will have no problem to solo activits, if one day they want and ready to only solo activities, they willing and happy with their own road not other pps road i will happy too, now I think JYJ road is 3 of our men road.
sorry JYJ3 admids and some of my sisters here if i am different your opinions, but you know i love JYJ3 army.
In case anyone was wondering, this is what irony looks like:
http://www.avclub.com/articles/one-direction-fans-bravely-vanquish-some-old-band,101691/
Although I’m sure there are other words for it…. :))
Hahaha! OMG thanks for the laugh! They could have chosen any other one hit wonder band but they had to go and bash The Who. 😀 Just goes to show where misguided and blinded fangirling can take you eh?
Reply to @Eliza
And the article was so well written (read: drenched in sarcasm.) When I hit the paragraph about Townshend, I just about died!
Hah! For me it was “The crisis that destroyed a thousand curfews” Lool
LOL …kids these days
@ JYJ3 Admins
I noticed all of the comments from “My Memoirs of CJeS for 4 Years-Part 1” are deleted. I also noticed that the environment in “Part 2” is significantly different from “Part 1.” Comments in “Part 2” tend to only favor the Memoir, unlike “Part 1” where the total comments equally like and dislike the Memoir. Curious, are you subjectively permitting what comments are allowed? I only hope you do so in a neutral manner and you’re willing to accept constructive criticism.
JYJ3’s ADMIN ANSWER:
Hi eung001,
The comment section of Herose’s ex-admin Part 1 Post it’s not deleted but closed.
Please email me to jyj3official@yahoo.com if you have any other question, Most of us admins don’t have time to check all our posts.
@eung001
For me it’s a incompletely dead issue one way or the other. I disagree with the posting of it, it is one person’s bitter and subjective rant. ONE PERSON. So even if you decide you just have to read all of the dirt you can get your hands on re: JYJ I wouldn’t take it too seriously if I were you.
My, my, my…
What here we here…
http://aramatheydidnt.livejournal.com/4997995.html
well damn …. I’ve heard before how not so clean AVEX was back then but then again who isn’t .
there must have been a reason this even got published . this asshole and his company have enough power to make sure things like this are kept out of the media , like those articles about him that never got released .
but honesty …I don’t think this would burn him though … they will just brush it off as rumors .
the only thing that could ruin him and AVEX is ” IF ” his yakuza connections get public and in the news .
and the women’s story broke my heart .
@meme & JYJ
Yes, I thought the mentions to his Yakuza connections were especially ironic. Remember when he had the nerve to blandly tell the court that when he belatedly found out about Baek Chang Ju’s mob connections he had to suspend activities for JYJ because they refused to abandon C-jeS?
and wasn’t AVEX people the ones that brought CJes Bark to JYJ in the first place ?
ugh ….this shit never stops being annoying every time I remember it .
@meme & JYJ
Yes, AVEX hired BCJ and knew all about his background. When JYJ refused to sign the “updated” infinitely less advantageous contract with AVEX all of a sudden his alleged chequered past became an issue. There was nothing they could find fault with about the members of JYJ – they had fulfilled all obligations to the company brilliantly thus far, so they went after Baek Chang Ju by default. Probably they thought he was giving them advice not to sign the new contract, or encouraging them to speak to industry lawyers who advised them against signing.
Wow. This article about Max Matsuura should be publicized and he should be brought down by the law! Japan and South Korea entertainment industry is so ugly. Hence, I moved away from Japanese and Korean music. I listen to news now.
@ee3451
Yes the article about Good Ol’ Max is a bit of a bombshell. I sincerely hope he is taken down for these many wrong-doings.
We knew long ago he was petty and unstable but this is just… pretty shocking.
Yes, saw a mention of it on my Twitter Tline the other day, and read it. Maxie and Chiba are such a dynamic duo. Not sure how this translates into as an issue for them, but one thing is for sure. If there is any truth to it, and folks are not squeamish, then it should be followed to its logical conclusion. Karma does have a way of catching up to one. How I would love for this to be the case as far as these two assholes are concerned.
Off Topic.. I don’t know if any of you heard about the Hip Hop feud that is going on with Simon D, E- Sans, Swings etc. Throwing diss raps to one another… A thought just occurred to me.. The first one’s to do a diss rap/song was our JYJ with the songs on Their Rooms Our Story with Pierrot, Nameless Song Pt. 1, and Fallen Leaves.
Yes, I saw a bit about this on AKP. Read a little of it, and decided that the internal stuff from others was not worth my time. Not really sure about the what, where, why and whom. But, I agree Nameless Song Pt. 1 was a diss and a most deserving one at that. I love that damn song! Can’t begin to say how many times that was put on replay mode while I played mahjong online. If a rap song could be called sexy, that one is. 😀
I also listen to Nameless Song Love it! I make a point at work to listen to it at least once a day.
@BAF
Powerful songs like “The Nameless Song” (we used to call them ‘protest songs’) are one of the many reasons why I just have to shake my head when fans say things like “we don’t really have all the facts and until we do we have to give everyone involved a pass.” Lotta facts put forward in that song. People just believe what they want to believe and what serves their needs, I guess.
no I remember there was something like that between G-dragon and another hip hop artist way back …
And I also forgot Mission, I Can Soar…. Hell the whole album if you think about was a diss to someone.
the full album ? ….mmmm I think it’s more of a personal expression than an actual diss at someone .
Personal expression about the wrong doings that happened to you in a song/rap is a diss to whom ever did it to you.
then most of all the songs in the world are a diss to someone .
maybe some people think that JYJ put a full album to diss SM and whoever else wrong them , I find it them talking about what they want and not want in life …and of course the ” diss ” is present but I don’t feel that it was the purpose of the album as a whole .
@meme & jyj
If I was one of those intellectual types, I’d prepare an analysis and commentary comparing and contrasting “The Nameless Song”, “Mine” and “Keep Your Head Down.” It’d be pretty interesting to dissect those three songs’ meanings. Those are all the players involved after all. A case could be made that Homin didn’t actually write “KYHD” but they signed off on recording it and lent their voices to it (not to mention performing it in the video) so I think they could be seen to have approved of its content, being 20 something adult men and all.
It’s probably a good thing I’m not one of those intellectual types. 🙂
I do think that “Their Rooms” was an album were they expressed their feelings with the whole controversy, the fans and their ex-company…