The Ssulzun panel analyzed the current ban on JYJ’s appearance on variety shows on major channels.
During August 7’s broadcast on JTBC’s Ssulzun, Kim Gura brought up the fact that JYJ’s brand commercial is being aired on major channels and said, “Through the commercials, I think they are hoping for people to question why they cannot appear on music programs and variety shows.”
Heo Ji Woong said, “They appear on dramas, but it’s still a big deal that a singing group cannot make appearance on music programs,” and Park Ji Yoon commented, “People were hoping for JYJ’s regular appearance on shows since the lawsuit settled in 2012, but the group is still not able to.”
Kang Yong Seok then said, “More than it being a legal restraint, it’s more like the ‘cartel of silence,’” and Heo Ji Woong said, “So in the case of JYJ, is SM Entertainment like Voldemort? A name that cannot be said?” causing laughter.
Kim Gura analyzed, “From the viewpoint of broadcasting companies, they cannot give up on SM’s numerous artists, like EXO, TVXQ, SNSD and f(x), just so they can allow the three members of JYJ to appear on their shows. This is like asking Korea’s trade department whether they will trade with China or Taiwan.”
About the fact that JYJ’s Kim Jae Joong and Park Yoo Chun are still making regular appearance on dramas, Kim Gura said, “The drama industry is enormous. No matter how powerful a company is, it cannot shake up the whole drama market.”
Park Ji Yoon added, “Broadcasting companies chose what benefits them more. But since JYJ’s is still popular across Asia market, there is no reason for dramas to reject their appearance.”
Source: Newsen
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[NEWS] ‘Ssul Jeon’ likens SM to Lord Voldemort in their discussion about JYJ via @Allkpop
The show’s production crew did an interview with C-JeS Entertainment who revealed, “Currently, we have no schedule on the major broadcasting networks, and the future is unclear, as well. We composed the album to make it suitable for concerts more than TV. Once in a while, a worker who does not know anything about this (the situation) would say, ‘There’s no problem with us. We can have you on the show,’ and adds them to the lineup. However, a few days later they’ll get back to us and say, ‘Sorry. I really did not know. I’m getting pressure from the higher ups.'”
[NEWS] “War of Words” Discusses JYJ Not Appearing on Variety and Music Shows via @Soompi
JYJ3 
Finally, JYJ are being discussed openly! I am not going to hold my breath here but …. I hope to see light at the end of the tunnel soon please. May the heavens above help our boys. Please please. Thanks much admins for this. No matter, this made me a tiny bit happy.
WOW So somebody finally decided to notice the elephant in the room and come right out and acknowledge that SME is blacklisting JYJ and the music programs are going along with it for profit! I’ll call it a “baby step” toward progress. JYJ FIGHTING STAY STRONG!!
thank you admins for the updates!^^
i’m really really thankful for people that help JYJ, and not afraid to do projects with them! that is what more helpful to JYJ, to remain active in the industry. rather than this bunch of people in a ridiculous thing they called as decent discussion panel where they basically just justifying SM cruel action, while at the same time dissing JYJ!
from other blogs i read that the panel said that “JYJ should just go back to SM”, like duh!!!! they don’t understand how insulting that sentence is!
….they didn’t say anything that wasn’t said before .
one of them is even making a joke about it …haha .. being blocked by the one who can’t be named is so funny ~ …years of no promoting is hysterical …. not performing in an event when you’re the ambassador is sidesplitting ….. Hahah ….#ಠ_ಠ
and as usual Kim Gura remains an a** hole .
“So in the case of JYJ, is SM Entertainment like Voldemort?” So basically it’s an open secret that SM is the reason for their media blockage, but is this something to laugh about? Do they find this funny? And did they just try to justify why broadcast stations won’t have them on their shows? I don’t see how this program is going to do anything for JYJ if the people there r going to take this stance.
yes and yes …..let’s look at the big bully’s said of the story never mind that the lawsuit is over and to not interfere with JYJ anymore was one of it’s terms ..BUT ..let’s try to understand why that’s still going on and ignore what’s wrong .
(¬_¬)
Let us pray to God for justifiable karma bcoz for every Lord Voldemore in this world there will be tiny scarred baby named Harry Potter that will defeat him later… so i guess for sm there will be jyj…i believe the final battle is yet to come.. We just have to hold fast n hug each other to cheer us up n stand behind jyj no matter what…
What is the rain when we fans have already go thru the storm..
I like your comments. ..lets stands together with our boys
It was just a joke when he said that it was like choosing between China or Taiwan. They don’t question WHY such a choice would have to be made in the 1st place. Why should JYJ be banned so that TVXQ and SNSD can be seen? Where does it say that all these can’t perform at the same time? People are stupid and Kim Gura is an imbecile of the highest order.
Thank you very much admins for sharing this ^^
JYJ hwaitiiiiiing 😀
JYJ…Always ❤
— Kang Yong Seok then said, “More than it being a legal restraint, it’s more like the ‘cartel of silence,’” and Heo Ji Woong said, “So in the case of JYJ, is SM Entertainment like Voldemort? A name that cannot be said?” —
I wish there’s a Harry Potter to deal with THIS voldemort as well
The whole thing is nothing new for us JYJ fans, but I’m happy there are more and more people outside JYJ fans who talk about this openly. It might not give immediate result. But if this issue didn’t come out openly in broadcast, I’m afraid people would just forget it like nothing happen
— About the fact that JYJ’s Kim Jae Joong and Park Yoo Chun are still making regular appearance on dramas, Kim Gura said, “The drama industry is enormous. No matter how powerful a company is, it cannot shake up the whole drama market.” —
Blessed the Drama Industry for giving a space for Jaejoong and Yoochun to show their amazing talent. Including Musical industry who’s the first to reached out for Junsu, and now he became the top in Musical. I hope it won’t stop at this. I don’t know when or how, but one day sme will lose their power and won’t be able to hurt JYJ anymore.
C-Jes is also growing bigger and bigger now, big names in the industry are starting to join the company. C-Jes’s artist are starting to dominate all field. If you notice dramas on all TV stations and movies who was release last year and this year, you can see so many people from C-Jes. I hope it will help the company reach higher position and in the end will also be a stronger force for JYJ as well
JYJ fighting ❤
“Broadcasting companies chose what benefits them more. But since JYJ’s is still popular across Asia market, there is no reason for dramas to reject their appearance.”
Right, use them when it’s convenient, but shun them when it’s not. This is how I see the drama vs the music depts in those stations. Yes, Jaechun have been able to appear on tv dramas, but they have yet to be invited to promote those dramas on talk/variety shows alongside their co-stars (press cons don’t count). As for musicals, they are a niched market and SM doesn’t have such a strong hold there.
sadly that’s true T_T
it’s quite frustrating to see *sigh*
It’s all envy and jealousy! They envy how handsome JYJ are, they envy how talented JYJ are, they envy how successful JYJ are as singers, actors, models, composers, lyricists, businessmen, in short whatever JYJ want to do they succeed in doing it.
They are jealous of all the love and support JYJ receive from us, they are green with envy at the posh cars JYJ drive, how JYJ dress, how JYJ walk, how JYJ talk, they are mad that JYJ no longer cares about them but most of all, they are infuriated by how perfect JYJ are in everything.
And they may croak as much as they want, but who cares? As long as I can still find ways to listen to our nightingales I don’t give a damn!
I think what pisses SM the most is the feeling of betrayal that they can’t forgive. They practically “created” these 3 hotties from nobodies when they were teenagers…kids. Investing in them thru years of training and promoting them after debut. Without SM there won’t be Jaejoong, Yoochun and Junsu. But driving people to the edge as a form of revenge is ridiculous. It’s just plain childish.
I never think that JYJ betrayed SM or such by leaving the company. SM treated them badly, every human deserve better working environment. I also believe that all the experiences JYJ gained while in SM contribute to what they are today. but that doesn’t mean they have to stay still and do nothing when they are treated badly. what they do is simply fight for their right, especially since they had give the best they can while in SM.
You are right if anyone was betrayed it was our 3 guys whose still have not gotten any of the millions of dollars they made for SM as part of DBSK!
@poobear If I am a teacher, I have 30-40 students in my class room. I teach them all the same way but some do their work and attend classes regularly while others don’t; some follow my advice and guidance, some have talents and work hard to develop them while others don’t.
In the end, out of a class of 40, I have 1 or 2 who succeed and become even better than me. Do I stop those two brilliant students from going further? Do I claim what they wrote under my guidance as mine? Do I demand my ex-students to give me part of their salary because I taught them?
SME had many trainees. Some dropped out, others did not too badly while JYJ shines above all else. JYJ have never denied the initial contribution of SME to their shaping up and growth, but it wasn’t given for free. They paid for their tuition. They paid back SME hundred-fold with their achievements and recognition. Why then did SME treat them as their own property? Why demand to receive their hard earned reward? Why treat them as if they are still primary school kids who have no brains of their own?
Who betrayed whom here? How do you think JYJ feel when they cannot perform the songs they themselves composed, wrote the lyrics for and even arranged? How much did SME pay them for that extra work they did besides their singing and dancing? Even worse, how do you think they feel when they hear someone else perform those very songs that they wrote and composed? How do they feel when they see their faces on their old DVDs in shops still selling but they get no royalties from those sales?
SME, if you are a good teacher, you should be proud of your students whom you shaped and let them go. They may reach higher, where you, as their teacher cannot take them.
SME, if you see them as your obedient children, you should know, that a good parent knows when their children are mature enough to leave the home nest and take their own life in their own hands.
Otherwise, you are simply a toothless cantankerous crone.
@anna-liza p. m.
Wonderful comment – well said. 🙂
Your analogies are the best!
In my opinion, if only SME can act as proud parents or proud teacher, it actually improves their damaged image…you know how severely damage SME’s image internationally right now, especially with the recent case of Kris.
So, showing their immature then throwing tantrums on JYJ by lobbying Korean ent-industry to ban JYJ’s MV and performances up until now is actually digging their own graves globally!
Anyway I am looking forward the day when JYJ’s able to perform on the stage of all broadcasts in Korean. JYJ FIGHTING!!!!
@Poohbear
If you are correct, then Lee Soo Man has shown himself to be one of two things: either a completely ignorant novice who doesn’t belong as a respectable member of the SK music industry, who knows nothing about the music industry globally and who literally does not realize that artists moving on to better terms and better deals when they realize they are being cheated and certainly when they have become as successful as the members of JYJ did is a STANDARD practice that happens every day, in music industries around the world. In the worse case scenario, SME is acting like a childish, vindictive bunch of thugs — gangsters — who operate via fear and intimidation to keep their artists captive even once they’ve realized that the company is systematically stealing from them. This is what has been so difficult for western nation fans to come to terms with. SK is harboring, even defending! a criminal organization in their midst and so far, SM continues to get away with this outrageous behavior with impunity. It’s been a very bitter pill to swallow and equally difficult to understand why fans don’t rise up as one and insist that the powers-that-be do something about it.
SM just found some raw Gemstones and simply polished it , they didn’t create anything or you would have seen them create another . nothing they ever did for Jaejoong , Yoochun and Junsu is special or worthy of loyalty or commitment .
SM and any other companies like it need to give their people the kind of contract and working environment that will benefit both sides and not just their big ass while the other side should be grateful for anything they get .
people need to stop seeing these idol companies as some person with feeling ~ …if you have a problem or dispute you go to the court of law ….that’s it ! you don’t go around using you’re money and influence to blacklist and bully people who don’t want to work with you anymore
and no it’s not about the feeling of betrayal , it’s all about making an example out of JYJ so the others won’t have any similar thoughts .
they ( and other companies ) want to teach them a lesson and scare everyone else.
@meme & JYJ
Exactly right. SM knew that when it became obvious to all that they were going to lose the lawsuit, unless they orchestrated disastrous consequences for JYJ in the aftermath, there was going to be a stampede for the exits of their company among all of the most talented and successful singers, all of whom were of course getting cheated out of royalties and worked to exhaustion just like the members of JYJ were.
This is what kills me about people who say they still feel compelled to continue to “support” their favorite SM acts: those singers aren’t seeing any of the money fans are spending on their music, concerts, etc! SM is simply pocketing most of it. So ironically the more successful an SM artist becomes, the more hopeless they feel that behind all the happy smiles and cute photos, they are being robbed and virtually imprisoned with no way out, just like JYJ was. And the example is now there too of what happens when you walk out and sue.
@meme & JYJ
“SM just found some raw Gemstones and simply polished it , they didn’t create anything or you would have seen them create another . nothing they ever did for Jaejoong , Yoochun and Junsu is special or worthy of loyalty or commitment .”
YES! Some peeps need to get that through their thick skulls. JYJ don’t owe SM anything, & SM already bled them dry of all their earnings anyway. & SM only did it to make a sh*tload of money off of the boys, not out of any altruistic motive or even any genuine love for music & the music industry. SM is a business that is ALL & ONLY about making money for themselves. & them blacklisting JYJ comprises of two motives – one is punishing JYJ for having the audacity to leave SM & take all their earning potential elsewhere, & the other is to scare the pants off of any other idol who dares to think they too can leave SM & still have any chance of having a career.
@Sapphire
Hi Sapphire – you summarized it so well, my friend. After carefully watching this story unfold for the last going-on 4 years now I have never discovered one piece of evidence anywhere to refute your statement. Not one. SM is shameless, unrepentant and they rely on turning facts upside down and into lies when it suits them. And they depend on their poor deluded “fans” to defend them.
JYJ owe them NOTHING. They have already paid in full a terrible price in the millions of dollars for their “training.” The mistake SM made was in thinking that they actually owned these three dynamic and talented individuals. They found out that they don’t. All the rest of it is just vindictive, petty sour grapes and FEAR of the power of JYJ showing the world what they can accomplish as free agents, in control of their destiny.
If you’re describing how SM may feel, then I agree… but I have to disagree with the statement, “Without SM there won’t be Jaejoong, Yoochun, and Junsu.” While SM did develop and train them… those three individuals have proven that they themselves are the asset. Look at what JYJ are doing as individuals, and not only is it without SM, but they have achieved industry acclamation IN SPITE of SM actively getting in their way.
SM may have polished them in their early years, but Jaejoong, Yoochun, and Junsu are the diamonds – if not SM, they would have found success with another agency. (i.e. the members of Beast, Seo In Guk, etc.) I would actually venture to say that it’s the other way around and that without Jaejoong, Yoochun, and Junsu, DB5K would not have been as successful as they were. For sure, JYJ was the joy and heart of DB5K. When I watch the old DB5K fun vid clips… it’s JaeChun soulmates, YooSu tears from full hearts, JaeChun trolling Junsu… and they’re still doing it!
Just Saying….
I hope this discussion will grow and getting humongous and shake the entertainment industry into core. Public and the whole world will judge SM aka the “Voldemort” as “the godfather” aka the ‘big egoistic mafia’ in SK. Hope your stocks will tumble down down and no one will bat even an eye on you. Hope all the artists under you run off to other agencies and you will left dry out like a prune with zero capital. Hope to see you begging on the street with pity for money and unfortunately no one wants to save you. Yes, to late. You are fated to die in shame.
* Sorry for the rant. Can’t help it. Over emo when it’s involve my babies. Hate SM Entertainment so much.
Can JYJ3 find someone who can sub the whole video? This is important to us. An eye opener to those who always say that we are delusional in accusing SM of everything..
some random thoughts: so if SMEnt is Voldemort, then JYJ must be the brave Gryffindors. and we all know what happens to Voldemort in the end. for some reason this is a consoling thought for me. i pray the book parallels real life for our boys.
agree 🙂
I think it’s more than having numerous artist at their disposal. SME probably also have a major financial share in most of these broadcast stations. It also has to do with other entertainment agencies. Because the broadcast stations (BCS) can decide to set aside SME artists and take on JYJ so far as the other entertainment companies are willing to help out with their artist. But that’s also the problem. Those other entertainment companies will also boycott the BCS by preventing their artists from going on those BCS. So this is not just SME (but he’s the main culprit) but it’s also all the entertainment agencies who are supporting SME with his blacklisting.
I just hope other asian broadcast stations (china, Japan) will also block SME artist from appearing on their shows until JYJ is able to appear on TV shows again.
It doesn’t make sense though because KBS, SBS and any company ending with “S” can call SME on their bluff and SME won’t have anywhere to go with their artists. “Ok, so JYJ will be seen therefore we will have our artists perform elsewhere”….um where? The local channel? Maybe the small broadcast stations like JTC? Exactly! They won’t have a choice but to suck it up and accept the situation. Logic can reach that conclusion in 2 seconds. No, I smell a real rat here like embezzelment or some sex scandal that the stockholders at SME are in the “know” about becuase it makes no sense otherwise for these big broadcasting companies to be so loyal and scared of this shitty “music” company. Or maybe the shareholders in SME are the same in KBS. But I’m not buying the whole “we’ll send our idols elsewhere” cause that is ridiculous BS.
Exactly!
SME has a history of payola going back 20 years or more. People at the music shows taking regular bribes for YEARS to dance to SME’s tune. I agree that it’s absurd to think that SME can suddenly do without their acts being on these music shows just because JYJ is included and probably starts taking top honors at them. It’s a rationale that just doesn’t hold water when you think about it. But program directors taking under-the-table pay-offs to exclude JYJ so SME’s acts don’t have to compete fairly and LOSE publicly to JYJ? It makes sense to me. And what are the P.D’s going to do…. decide they don’t need that money any more after getting it for years?
Thats the EXACT same thing that happened with JYJ’s Interview with KBS Arabic Section >.< When we first called, "Yeah! we will interview them and see when its possible"….few days later "Sorry! its impossible for this interview to happen because of the dispute with SM" :@:@
And after all that SM replies "We dont interfere with JYJ's activities"!!!!!!! &^*%$#@*&% T_______T
SIGN A PETITION TO SUPPORT JYJ! FANS SHOULD DO SOMETHING TOO!
https://www.change.org/petitions/olympic-council-of-asia-incheon-asian-games-organizing-committee-call-to-action-open-investigation-into-the-incheon-asian-games-organizing-committee-s-unilateral-exclusion-of-jyj-from-incheon-asian-games-opening-ceremony
Alright everyone calm down! Yes these comments were rude and indefensible, but at least the Korean media is finally talking about the elephant in the room. Our boys are strong, and have found other ways to promote. I have faith that one day they will be able to appear on variety/music/interview programs again. But until then, and always JYJ HWAITING! If they can’t promote normally or have another US concert till they’re 40, I will still be waiting.
YG and JYP need to step up and take over the market share.
FOREVER JYJ!
Sorry, I didn’t understand… why is JYJ unable to have another US concert? How does SM affect the US market?
they are unable to have another US concert?
I don’t know who Heo Ji Woong is, but I love him for saying it out loud!
I’m watching Trot Lovers right now and Soo-In’s mom makes me think of SM.
I lobe ssuljeon !! ❤
If all of this continues, when JYJ enlists into national service/military enlistment, guess who will be happy and sigh in relief? They will be like,’Finally, JYJ will be away for 2 years and we can be in peace for now.’ Those BS music/variety programs and SME.
JYJ album is out again, I’m sure they are stressing on what to do if fans floods them again about appearance issue. NOT FAIR. I can’t believe they chose to sacrifice JYJ for their own benefits and cowardice. Who are they to make JYJ as an example to others when the boys did nothing wrong. Where is the justice and fairness of human right in SK? NONE? DEAD? IGNORANT? HIDING BEHIND BIG POWER? ~sigh~ I would like to see them on TV before they got enlisted. I miss them badly. Four years… Is it not enough?
I’ll always support JYJ and love them infinitely. 🙂 HWAITING, OPPAS!!!
P.S; That program above should be more careful on what they says when they do not understand what JYJ and fans feel. This is not a laughing matter. I’m grateful they mentioned JYJ but nothing changes.
JYJ FANS: https://www.change.org/p/allow-jyj-to-appear-on-shows#share
We as JYJ FANS can not be so passive, you see how SK broadcast is unfair with JYJ, sign a petition and fight to justice and fair play brings to JYJ.