JYJ3’s Note:
At the Red Carpet of 2015 Korean Culture and Art Awards, Kim Jaejoong’s velcro flag was put upside down, he realized his mistake and before entering the Hall venue he fixed it, he has been seen wearing the velcro flag properly during all the ceremony, but unfortunately the korean media (not all) already reported (made news) this mistake, and he is receiving criticism by netizens.
Although we understand the importance of such unfortunate incident, especially coming from military soldiers, etc.
We hope people will also understand that no one is perfect in this life, and that Jaejoong like any human being made mistakes too.
We sincerely hope Jaejoong doesn’t feel discouraged by all this and continue his military active service duty smoothly.
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An active soldier’s opinion about PFC Kim Jaejoong’s Velcro flag at the 2015 Korean Culture and Art Awards
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Loyalty! I’m a soldier serving active duty now. It’s only been a few months since the national flag attachment on the right sleeve started. I have to be careful every time I put it on, but I can’t check it sometimes, And the position of the flag isn’t easy for anybody to put it on by himself or herself.
So others (usually soldiers serving together) put it on for me. Not only PFC Kim Jaejoong but also some soldiers out for vacations put it on upside down. It’s very rare ocassion they do that. I wish you don’t criticize him too much for it. He is sacrificing almost two years of his life so please look at him in more positive light and be proud of him. I would appreciate it if you leave words of encouragement for him.
Credit: @bornfreeURkiss2
Translated by: @crystalmoon64
Shared by: JYJ3
Tagged: 2015 Korean Popular Culture & Arts Awards, Jaejoong, KJJ Military Service
JaeJoong – this is of no importance at all! Why has it even been reported? You are an amazing soldier – a credit to your country and family!
A real soldier.I am really thankful to him.
Our Jaejoongie must have been feeling so down. No need. We are all human beings and we all make small and big mistakes. My US Air Force fighter husband says it is no big deal. Smile soldier Kim!
Ya. My bae is an air force pilot and says thats a mistake, maybe a big mistake and he will be punishes for it, but just let it be, everyone make mistakes. I’m sure that JJs will reflect a lot and try his best not to repeat same incident. I just hope that the haters stop making this fuss to make him down 😦 I cant stand it. They are way tooooo much!
The former president took the flag upside down + comrade what Jaejoong said …. this is a feasible error
@ cake4jyj credit picture …. That’s all you can now head to be taken Jae ?????
https://www.facebook.com/rozsa.farkas99 fotó !!!!!
former SK president LOL
Jaejoong just seems so flawless that a little mistake is celebrated by haters and jealous people
It’s the price of being too relevant , people will easily notice your mistake
@kris
thanks for listing the most relevant examples. the fact that important persons making mistakes is very eye-catching, for sure.
The president of my country put the flag upside down on our national day. Everybody makes fun of it… and that’s a bigger deal than just that. Netizens… Pic: http://showdebola.pt/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/bandeira-hasteada-contrario-051012170075e2_400x2251.jpg
I wonder if this pic will attach along with jae’s pic…to show..their 1st person whom most important people in their country also do make a mistake regarding national flag… so they will stop digging into this issue…i seriously don’t wanna see or read anything about this unfortunate event again…it bring my tears since im afraid what gonna happens with jae now~~~~ T_T
this is actually more embarrassing since these people not only represent the whole country but also have people who check everything. …but let’s just pic on that idol that’s doing his mandatory service because HOW DARE HE !!! and let the Korean wannabe kpop fans join us because he sings and looks better than their oppa .
Actually those so called netizens are just haters and (jealous_why_ their_oppa_is_not_as_fabulous) who are like vultures waiting for a chance to eat Jaejoong alive. I never believe an ordinary, concerned Korean citizens so busy earning a living would care or would have time to go to sites and write hateful comments. And these English sites which are so hungry for traffic, they know Jaejoong is a good bait, so quickly translate everything negative .
Even if Jaejoong hadn’t made the mistake they would still have thought of something else to bark about like they were already screeching about favours to attend the awards. I don’t raise my blood pressure over wretched haters. I only sympathize with JJ coz i think he is beating himself for that mistake
oh they were barking about his hair from the start even though the other guys with him had the same hair… oh the army life is so serious we just don’t understand ~ and ” oppa didn’t mean it ” is our logo or something.
the army life is crap everywhere in the world but it ain’t the hair and the perfect uniform that’sworth criticizing in someone who does it because it’s mandatory and not his choice.
but all the little kpop kiddies will pretend they know better.
kind words at the right moment! thank you for speaking up in support of Jaejoong!
he just needs to be extra careful from now on with everything and finish up his service in peace.
and is this really making that much of an issue as these English kpop blogs and sites are making it out to be ?
I keep seeing the same article with the same translated negative comments posted …. did this actually get more responses?
These English kpop blogs and sites know too well Jaejoong is a HOT ITEM. While he is known to have passionate fans but his haters are as passionate as well. The awarding ceremony wasn’t over yet, but translated articles/comments were already uploaded when the highest upvotes was just around 700. They’re like jumping of excitement to catch the BREAKING NEWS. Maybe, when JJ enlisted, they were relieved, at least they won’t be seeing him for 2 years but how could he’s having more visibility while in uniform? He’s like an eye sore to them, he’s looking better than ever 😀
fightingggg
So this is why PFC Jaejoong was feeling so down. Unfortunately, Jaejoong is a perfectionist and he wants everything he does to be perfect and also he is his own harshest critic so whatever we say won’t help him until he forgives himself.
Joongie, do forgive yourself. We all make mistakes, especially when we have about a zillion things to do in a short time. Let me tell you about myself. Last year my father passed on unexpectedly. I had to wind up so many things in the office and get myself suitable clothes for the funeral before I caught the first available flight from Kenya to London 9 hours flying time. It wasn’t until I was sitting at Heathrow airport, waiting for the connecting flight to my home town that I looked at my feet and realized I was wearing my house slippers. Now, tell me, does this not sound like an impossible mistake? But it did happen to me. At least you realized it in good time. It rook me about 12 hours. I am sure I’ve seen people wearing their tops inside out or the other way around. so this happens. Just forgive yourself and check twice the next time you stick the patch on. We have forgiven you.
Your post mirrors my own thoughts on this subject, this non-issue in the great scheme of things. It hurts us so much when we see Jaejoong unhappy like this, but the comments here have all been so wonderful. I only wish Jaejoong could see *these* comments instead of only seeing the Korean Haters’ snark-fest.
es algo importante pero no extremista, ademas debemos ver que el es un orgulloso soldado que da lo mejor para todos. Estamos contigo JJ no te preocupes y gracias por todo ❤
No wonder JJ look so sad. Honest mistake, could have happened to anyone. I missed your beautiful smile today. Fighting!!!
Poor JJ, he probably put the patch in front of a mirror and got an incorrect mirror image. But before they went to the function, they went to the hair salon. I can see four men with him, one of them giving the loyalty salute. If none of them, including the people in the salon, noticed the mistake, how could JJ notice it when he can’t even see it properly.
I feel bad for him in the sense that he is going to be hard on himself. In which he should not be hard on himself because this is just a little human mistake. I know it is important but it is not something that he should beat himself up on. He did correct it before he went into the hall. So to me know harm was done. He is human just like anyone else and mistakes happen. I hope he can just let the bad feeling go and move on. Hopefully he can laugh at his mistake and move on. Also, I think that people should not criticize him for this minor mistake. JJ has thus far be an outstanding solider and people need to focus on that and not this very minor thing. The world is not going to come to an end because of this.
Totally agree!
yes totally agree and really hope he is not hard on himself. his life and actions are what define him and not one thing like this.
The infamous netizens who think they are entitled to criticize everyone for everything… (sigh)… I guess the normal reaction of a normal person, if they noticed a problem with someone’s attire or general appearance would be informing them of the flaw “mate, you got a stain on your shirt/you got a leaf stuck in your hair/the flag on your uniform doesn’t look as it’s supposed to”, so that they can fix the problem. But here, no, they’ll bash the hell out of the poor guy, as if he did it on purpose. I don’t know if I should think those people are just so vicious and wait for any petty chance to give others a hard time, or if SoMeone is tense about JJ’s success. Anyway, I can’t believe JJ would be purposely disrespectful to anyone, the more when we’re speaking of his country.
Find strength, Kim Jaejoong-ssi, don’t listen to haters 🙂 Sincere congratulations on the award you received.
And thank you, soldier-ssi, for your words of encouragement.
Yeah, and criticizing Junsu every album release.
I literally saw a comment saying “every album Junsu releases is a flop” and that nobody in Korea cares about his music. And I was like what the heck, man, at least don’t lie!
I agree at least do be stupid and lie!! Because it is well know that every album thus far he has released have been a huge success. Also, every concert he has done in Korea and outside of Korea has been a huge success. Who knows what the future holds for JS. But thus far he has documented success. If people in Korea did not care about him his concerts would not sell out. These people are just plan stupid!!!!!
I always wonder when someone labels a person unsuccessful but keeps ranting, why do they care when they want to persuade me nobody else cares? LOL
@Nabi I totally agree why do the stupid people go out of their way to persuade you that no one else cares!!!! I mean if you do not care then why wast all that energy to try to persuade me others do not care, it makes no sense, it is stupid!!!! Also, I want to point out if people in Korea did not care about his music why did people scream so loud at this award ceremony after he performed both songs!!!! I mean nobody is loved by everybody but come people wake up and stop telling stupid, useless lies!!!!
If “nobody cares about JYJ” then the members must have stumbled upon a vast and fabulous GOLDMINE somewhere, or maybe people coincidentally LOVED all the other actors in their hit dramas; oh, and there was some massive mix-up in the voting all those times they won drama awards. Yes, and maybe businesses in Korea don’t do research on the entertainers they pick to represent their products…. likewise the Korean government – maybe they just randomly go through the phone book to choose their next Good Will Ambassadors again and again. The members of JYJ have simply shown themselves to be THE THREE LUCKIEST YOUNG MEN IN KOREA! That’s what it must be. 🙂
There’s something about this theory (the phonebook), I just saw this year’s MAMA nominees and as expected, Junsu is not good enough of a singer or dancer to them. Admittedly there were very successful artists with huge fanbases (and talent) but also some who can’t dream of comparing their skills or selling power to his. I gave up on the whole Mnet nonsense, they won’t see me on their ridiculous site anymore. It’s clear to see they got instructions about what their charts shall look like and who’s supposed to win their awards. In my opinion the final outcome has little to do with actual preferences of the public, therefore I’m not willing to take part in their circus.
Of course. SM OWNS those awards, they always have. It’ll be a cold day in hell before any member of JYJ is seen winning anything
there. I went through a phase where I railed on how completely rigged the MAMAs were and I found out something rather interesting: young Korean fans of idol groups don’t care whether they are fixed or not. They view it as a perfectly fine situation if it means that their biases win.
They are fine with the injustices they know perfectly well JYJ are struggling against if it keeps them OUT of the competitions that their idols may just win without JYJ in the race. Interesting, no?
Unfortunately what you’re saying is true 😡 such attitude is shameless against a weak competitor like JYJ (only in terms of money and how powerful their agency is at the moment; in terms of talent I see why they’re so hated when they have their own level of perfection) and everyone with some conscience should be against some mafia-like ban of a single artist. But things are getting even scarier when we notice SM like to present themselves as top company of Korean showbusiness, as #1 when in fact they are only the biggest company but for a while now YG has been #1. They have considerably less staff than SM and therefore must work that more effectively when they earn more. And in spite all this, YG as a whole and each of their acts separately is being hunted down. There’s a pattern to see among media who are more and more daring with each article and although many times they try to sound “friendly” and “thoughtful” the derogatory tone is there. There are constant attacks, constant pressure… I know many people find CEO Yang unlikeable and I see why that is, he certainly lacks charisma and some kind of appeal that a person working in showbusiness definately needs. But the truth is the company has artists of best quality, they don’t keep untalented people like some other agencies do. And they even have a strong position on the market which is what I often see cited as the biggest reason why JYJ can’t find justice – that they’re not in one of the biggest companies but helping to build their own company step by step. This big company has it all, yet they’re constantly under fire. It seems to me with JYJ still going strong, EXO gradually falling apart and their formerly most popular groups getting older (SM markets their idols as young, sexy and available but what to do with them when they reach their expiration date?), they must be very desperate when they so aggressively started some sort of trench warfare against such a strong rival. Knowing they are not ashamed of using the dirtiest means they could win this but in my opinion they’ll rather lose big time. With JYJ they’re losing day after day and they know it, military service, age nor unfair treatment can stop this group’s success. All in all, I’ll rather see our 3 stars sell thousands of tickets than win a corrupted award.
Sorry for the long rant about YG, I used them just as an example of how far SM are willing to go. They practically snuff all competition on the market probably hoping they’ll remain the only agency in the world. As if!
JYJ FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😀 ❤
Hi Nabi – The more groups, individuals and competing agencies SM pisses off the better and the sooner their fall will come, with no one left who wants to back them or mourn their absence.
It’s all related to the culture of “bichu” (blood) = family where the idol is oppa (big brother) and the chaebol is the father figure. You stand for and defend your blood whether right or wrong. A member of the family who disobeys Father is cast out of the family and never forgiven.
This is something we ifans might not be able to understand because we stand by JYJ not coz they are family but coz we admire their talent, hard work and courage to stand up against the authority of the Father.
At this point I vote for the ifans to bring a more rational family culture to Korean showbusiness environment. I don’t care who supports which group, even a group that for me is absolutely untalented can be loved by many because they’re likeable and I respect that as long as these other fans don’t crazily attack anyone who in their opinion stands in their way. Such attitude deserves no respect at all.
You said:
” I don’t care who supports which group, even a group that for me is absolutely untalented can be loved by many because they’re likeable and I respect that as long as these other fans don’t crazily attack anyone who in their opinion stands in their way.”
My experience tell me that such is the very nature of Asian fandoms, Nabi. This is what they do.
My view is that as an I-fan I reject absolutely the idea that Lee Soo Man was in ANY WAY a “father” to the members of JYJ, either before during or after their tenure with SM. He was an Exploiter of the worst sort who clearly saw within his own culture (just as you described) a way to easily manipulate young talented hopefuls; he USED the cultural bias you speak of in order to basically brainwash his talent pool and of course the Cassies into believing that his word, his way, his philosophy on how to sell his vision was never to be questioned.
I guess that’s the mindset they used when they planned their upcoming “world auditions”. Clearly they picked destinations where they expected talented young people who won’t mind working hard and will be happy with just “becoming world class entertainers” but basically it would be hard for them to flee back home. Considering Korean patriotism, I wonder why else would they pick Kazakhstan etc.? (SIGH)
You are exactly right, Nabi. A fertile land of wide eyed, star-struck kids, gullible parents, easily talked into signing contracts without consulting entertainment lawyers. (HA! Like there’s even ONE entertainment lawyer in Kazakhstan!)
@Nabi, @lilibaiyu, @anna liza p.m. love your comments!
🙂 🙂 thank you
@ Nabi I vote with you! 🙂
@ flower Thank you.:)
@ lilibaiyu Of course, you are perfectly right. LMS was/is a ruthless but smart cookie who was interested in promoting young talent only in as much as they brought huge profit to him and prepared to crush them as soon as they were no longer of use or stood in his way. But his time out is coming. He can’t fool all people at all times.
I think SM pick Kazakhstan for audition because of big korean diaspora in Kazakhstan. Auditions are mostly for korean emigrants.
They don’t want to teach foreigners, it is long and may be problematic, they want to teach koreans who can promote later in Korea and in country of their emigration.
@ Lilibaiyu
@Nabi
@Anna liza pm
LSM is a father figure? Go tell that to JYJ, Han Gaeng, FX and the Ex EXO members. Oh and Jessica.
Indeed that is what he styled himself as, it’s how he instructed his signees to think of him and to this day, if you talk to the brainwashed SM apologists (although I’m not recommending this unless you want to get a headache) their whole “disloyalty” and “disrespectful” harangue against the members is precisely because they questioned LSM on how they were being treated, the things they were forced to do and the fact that they were not allowed to see royalty v.s. expenses breakdowns, all culminating in finally deciding that they had to walk out. I know you know all this Cheryl because you’ve been here for a while so this explanation is mainly for new people, new fans who aren’t aware of the history of JYJ. We have to keep putting it out there because once you hear what happened to them… well, as you know… it’s pretty outrageous.
yup,..you’re right…the normal reaction of a badly motivated person..consumed by their hate,they would always find a flaw to make it an issue..an oppurtunity for them to put someone down,..honestly, why would you want to put someone down because that someone was doing a great job…JJ is human and he’s doing the best he could.
Criticizing others is just cruel.
If you all agree, then please do not criticize Junsu anymore. He gets criticized on this site allot. Like with No Reason etc.
Thanks for knowing the feeling.
I’m sorry to disagree here, I was one of the people who recently voiced the disapproval with the No Reason choreography. I like Junsu as an artist and I think he’s a kind-hearted and overall cool person but I didn’t like that one piece of dance. That’s my right. To put it simply, in my opinion he is greater than what he showed in that choreography. I wasn’t bashing him and just like I’m not obliged to like every dance move, he’s not obliged to agree with my opinion. Yet I felt maybe he deserved to know as a fan I felt uncomfortable to watch that scene. That’s all.
You don’t like this, they don’t like his eyeliner, that one don’t like that, and you have a cluster of dislikes being voiced against anything coming from him.
Everyone has the right to say a dislike they have about him.
Junsu gets dissed very easily in the JYJ fandom if you haven’t noticed. for something or anything he does, like the choreography he done. He’ll always be scolded by fans, that hurts more than being scolded by an anti.
He is human too and tried his best to entertain. He don’t mean to upset anyone.
if you dislike something, could you keep it to yourself, because some fans here can’t wait to jump him and might take your word as a green light to start dissing at him.
Then It becomes the largest part in the comment section.
It’s just he gets under fire pretty easily, and they won’t say the same thing if it wasn’t Junsu doing it.
I agree with you 10000000000000000000000000000000000000 %
Look, as far as I know this site doesn’t tolerate outright bashing of any member. I haven’t noticed any JYJ fan dissing Junsu for using eyeliner, it’s more like people compare his hair colours and make up styles with the previous ones and they seem to like it, so I don’t understand who you’re pointing at. I am not responsible for anyone but me and I can say what I like as long as I keep a decent tone. Whenever I see someone speaking nonsense about this group on some other site where there are not just fans, I respond and defend any member because I don’t like people giving a hard time to someone just for the happiness of runing his/her day. However,it’s unclear to me why – when I see a problem – I should keep quiet about it. Even you could respect my opinion and don’t say you don’t like me speaking up. That’s the same thing. I don’t think Junsu meant to upset people and I’m well aware he’s a human, that’s what I was implying in the first place. Honestly, what scares me more than someone possibly criticising the use of eyeliner are two things –
#1 people who keep hinting at unfair position of a single member in the group or in the agency – for obvious reasons – this group is strong when they keep their friendship and collaboration going. They act like friends or maybe even family, so I don’t see a reason to speculate about why this member went on tour while the other one made an MV etc. It’s their business, their money and their time. I don’t think and don’t want to think JYJ have this sort of problem among them. As long as they keep saying they are getting along just fine, then it’s okay and for me it’s pointless to make up stories about someone getting a chance that the other one didn’t get. I take it as they know what they’re doing. Admittedly C-Jes need to learn one thing or two about PR but considering their unique stance in the industry and the fact this whole fun is being paid for by individuals, they have it much harder than some big fat company squeezing money for their projects from left and right. Although there are fans of whole JYJ and then fans who prefer a certain member, they should remember the concept of unity to a certain extent is critical here. I believe JYJ themselves speak the truth when they say they like each other, so I guess we should leave it at that.
#2 I haven’t been a part of this fandom for a long time but I couldn’t have missed the reports about very crazy people stalking this group. If I got it right, JYJ were among artists with worst kind of sasaengs and similar creatures giving them a hard time and invading their privacy. I’d guess the goal here is make people realize idols/singers are humans and they should be treated as such. They have a right to date, to have free time, to go where they want and meet who they like. They’re not free for everyone to touch etc. What I’m worried about is that quite some peole seem to not understand the difference between an artist being friendly and showing the best performances and between some fantastic concept where the idol actually belongs to the public. They don’t belong to anyone, they’re free people. The choreography I didn’t like for me cracked the line between a dancer and his private self. For a while Junsu kept talking about erotic personality and whatnot which is not necessarily a bad thing when portrayed a certain way. My point is if he’s not careful enough with this, a person with great charm and ability to perform “just anything” (I mean his talent makes the performances the more convincing and real) can gain more attention this way but this will inevitably persuade all the people with unhealthy outlook on idols that they have a right to expect sexual tension from the artist which ideally (for them) could get physical. Also let’s not forget when trying to entertain a big amount of people one needs to consider there are younger and older fans, a plenty of them are religious while others may find certain things uncomfortable. That’s called management. Therefore I firmly believe it would be generally safer for the artist – Junsu in this case – to keep his performances more metaphorical and leave more to the audience’s imagination than plainly imply sex. I’m sure with his skills that would be no problem for him. I, as a person who admires his talent, would rather tell him a hundred times to take all this into consideration than see one hater say it looked cheap or that he deserves stalkers to be hunting him when he dances like that. It’s not about my bigotry or lack of support from my part, it’s about seeing things in a bigger perspective.
Also, I noticed some “fans” who happily encouraged the most seductive choreographies spent much time talking about JS’s body, moves and so on but usually when I read the posts on this blog, I don’t see them leaving words of encouragement. While others who frequently comment on many posts were quiet about this particular one. I may be wrong but I assume they prefer to be fans while drooling over someone’s body but don’t bother to congratulate when the group receive an award or don’t show support when a problem like the one mentioned above appears. I don’t think these fans will be the fastest to defend the members against haters on other sites. I don’t see a reason why I should feel bad about honestly speaking up while these people are great when the main part of their “support” comes from their own pleasure of sexual fantasies about celebrities.
I hope my point is clear now. If someone wants to diss, they’ll probably find a reason may it be my comment or something else. I wish JYJ all the best (to all 3 members), more recognition for their work and a happier life without haters. As a fan I’m ready to help with that as much as I can.
#1 is so spot on!
Thank you 🙂
I really enjoyed reading your comments. 🙂
Thank you 🙂
My fans are my critics, and I respect their feedback and constructive criticism, but they should not try to own me. Don’t they experiment with their looks, too? If they are my real fans, then they will accept me how I am.
Sonu Nigam
I am not saying this against you.I was little uncomfortable with No reason too.But I tried not to criticize and kept my mouth shut.let’s be a critic/fan like Sonu Nigam says.
JYJ family fighting!!!
I love Sonu Nigam!!! 😀
Those were wise words from him and I can’t but agree. Yet it seems to me the extent of his quote didn’t reach this far (looks or creativity are not the topic here). Anyway, I wish artists to not have to deal with people who act like their idol’s owners which are mostly those who mainly follow performances with sexual context. They clearly see the artist as some kind of toy and that’s the thing that bothers me. Are they fans only as long as the singer keeps showing his/her body? And what will they do when the idol gets married or gets older etc.? They’ll move over to some other younger or more daring star. I don’t think Sonu Nigam needs to be worried about this though; or Shahrukh Khan… he’s married, he has kids, he works with the most charming actresses, he portrays love, erotic tension and even the “very very in love scenes” don’t stir up controversy.
”My are my critics, and I respect their feedback and constructive criticism, but they should not try to own me. Don’t they experiment with their looks, too? If they are my real fans, then they will accept me how I am.”
-Sonu Nigam-
I am not saying this against you.I was little uncomfortable with No reason too.But I tried not to criticize and kept my mouth shut.let’s be a critic/fan like Sonu Nigam says.
JYJ family fighting!!!
“Junsu gets dissed very easily in the JYJ fandom” you must be either too tooooo overload sensitive to say that or you are confusing JYJ fandom with DB5K fandom. JYJ fans are the one who ALWAYS defend JS the most , don’t take JS’s critics on his “no reason” stage as a bad thing because most of people who critisized him are xiapwa themselves. JJ’s case is totally different From what you are talking about,I think even junsu himself would like to welcome critics on his work from his fans. I hope you can show instead some respect to jaejoong serious situation here.
Hi Nabi, I have some thoughts about your comment and about criticism of JS here.
First, this isn’t an official JYJ website. It’s run by i-fans for Ifans. JS is probably never going to see or hear of your comment.I support you in not enjoying or being comfortable with certain performances, that is your right. Please remember you are not speaking to JS directly or even obliquely here. You are speaking to other JYJ fans and it is hard for me, on his fan page to read negative comments about him. Of course comments like yours with good intentions aren’t meant to hurt me, but other fans are more sensitive.
Because this is a fan page, our criticism, the criticism of fans must make him look bad to non fans who read it.
“Even his fans don’t support him”, might be what they think.
I agree with you .JS is more then one piece of dance. But, sexy provocative performances have been a feature of his concerts since he started as a solo artist.Lullaby and intoxication were the first ones. The 2013 “No Reason” performances were almost as provocative. This isn’t a new thing for him. I also doubt he is going to stop.I don’t think sexy choreography cheapens him as you are implying. It also isn’t going to make him more vulnerable to saesangs as I believe you commented elsewhere on the site. Saesangs are going to stalk him no matter what.
I’m going to tell you a secret. I used to sometimes be critical of Junsu here, especially of his fashion choices. I love fashion, I love to talk about it.
I wanted JS to have the nicest and the most perfect things. If I thought his coat was too long I wanted to tell the world so CJeS could fix it.
I meant no harm, but it must have been awful for everyone else.
I’m so sorry now when I think back to those comments, I made. Comments that probably hurt or made everyone reading feel so tired.
We hear so much criticism about JYJ and JS on other sites. It’s so exhausting that when I’m here I want to be happy with my sisters.
This is why if I don’t like something, I don’t say anything here.
Cheers Cheryl
I wasn’t talking to Junsu via this site, I know I’d have to write in Korean for him to read it and most certainly to his phone XD
You’re not the first person to address me like this and you made it quite clear that stating an opinion – in case it’s not absolute adoration – is not welcome for certain part of users on this site. Should I be honest, I consider your tone towards me condescending. I also noticed the indirect hints on those 3 (I believe there weren’t many more) people who dared to voice their minds about that choreo… things like “here’s for those who are not so sensitive” or “rather don’t watch it, if you can’t handle it”. For a person repeatedly mentioning “we shouldn’t hurt others’ feelings” that is a little off, don’t you think? Or is it so that I don’t have a right to point out in the politest way what I don’t like, while you can look down on me and lecture me. Nice. I can assure you I won’t react to your comments on this site and feel free to skip my comments in general, if they make you feel uncomfortable. If any admin told me they wish me to stop commenting here, I shall do that in an instant, it’s their site.
If you feel your past comments don’t make you proud, then I guess say different things. I can’t say your arguments changed my mind about what I previously stated. I have good reasons to think what I think. Experience, both personal and professional, taught me to anticipate things. I don’t expect everyone to agree with me when their experience or thinking patterns may differ from mine. I offered an outlook to a group of people I considered independent and unbiased (In the sense that we can like someone – an artist in this case – but we don’t have to blindly nod to anything that person says or does without having our own opinion.) What happened was that several people advised me to be more open minded when they themselves can’t seem to embrace that concept that much.
There’s one thing I find truly saddening, namely that while I’m probably supposed to feel like a thorn in the heel hurting you with my comment, I’m currently about to sue someone who attacked me on a certain site when I was speaking in favour of JYJ. I would defend them again like I did back then, it’s a matter of principle, although the whole thing got really nasty. Anyway, thanks for reminding me the only way to not bother anyone is to become mute and deaf.
Yes we all made mistakes. With strong will like Jaejoong, I believe he would survive from those criticism and be a stronger person!
He will correct the mistakes and become a better man as he promised.
And we all support him! Fighting Jaejoong!! Let’s march on and leave this incident behind!
Yes, a mistake timely rectified. Well done smart PFC!!!
I would always support JYJ…thank you for this soldier who gave a word of encouragement to JJ,,,there would be good people like you 🙂
If JJ wasn’t such a flawless human being no one would have noticed anything wrong. Sadly the little minions of all those K-pop idols had to latch onto something to prove he can make a mistake too. After all none of their idols can even come close to any member of JYJ in perfection.
Two thumbs up to your comment. 🙂
I think the best way to put on the flag patch is to stick it on before wearing the uniform. That way you can see how it is positioned.
I remember this from my long ago school participation in a uniform group.
However, people still make mistakes……unfortunately Jaejoong was in the limelight and photographed by media….
I am sure he will be more careful next time.
I think if ROKA is going to continue to make Jae participate as a singer in their military events {free of charge, no professional fee paid to Jae}, then he will have to be extra careful with all these details especially when media is present and ……I am sure Jae knows by now that there are vultures out there looking out to pounce on him at every mistake he makes.
My blood was boiling reading the comments on AllK-Pop yesterday….. grrrrrrrr…
Jaejoong-nah take heart. It is quiet unfortunate that none in his entourage or even Yoosu noticed the mistake first. Busybody knetz always looking for someone to vilify. Hope he’s not too hard on himself or that the military isn’t too hard on him because this might be considered a serious offence in the army.
Unrelated :am I the only one who’s been getting the impression that Jaejoong hasn’t been too happy recently? I’ve been comparing all recent pictures of him to the ones that came out during the GFF and he looks so down. He was literally glowing during that period. I was also bothered by Tony Hong’s recent message, something about hoping he’s a good hyung to Jaejoong and No Min Woo made me wonder if there was anything going on with either of them.
I’m yet to see even one picture of Jaejoong smiling today and I’ve seen so many pictures of both junsu and yoochun smiling and even laughing. Hope I’m wrong and that he’s alright.
Also I got the impression JJ has been feeling uneasy recently. He looked so nervous when singing the anthem and now too Hopefully it’s just because he’s tired or that things will get fixed for him asap.
Well, I’ve certainly noticed what you mentioned. No question that there have been few smiling photos since the performances for that Army show a couple of weeks back. A friend mentioned he’d been sick after that… I hadn’t heard of that but possibly that could be true. Jaejoong wears his emotions on his face though – when he’s down or unhappy it SHOWS. So when I saw the photos from the awards ceremony show, I was alarmed something was up even before I knew anything about the “patch” fiasco or the earlier line flub on the national anthem at the baseball game a few days ago. *Something* has happened with him, but I doubt that we’ll find out what it is until someone in his organization chooses to tell us.
Everybody make mistakes. Jaejoong mistake is not far worst than other mistakes I have seen or heard about. I understand how he felt because when You, others, or I made a mistake regardless a small or big one, you get mad at yourself adding with others criticism as well, it makes you feel even worst, but I just want to say that don’t think on it too much because jaejoong still has a lot of support from his two members, families, friends, and fans. I hope that this will just pass on and won’t effect his role as the PFC and I know he has a of chingus’ in the military service now..so whatever netizen’s say about him, I hope they better be careful because you have a whole army as Jaejoong’s male fan/friends who will come at you. Should I be afraid more of what netizen says or what the loved ones would do for him??
HWATING Jaejoong and JYJ!!^^
for me it’s not a big deal! we really don’t know if it’s jaejoong mistake and besides we are all human and we are entitled to commit mistakes. no one can put a good man down
Thank you soldier for your encouragement. We all know that a mistake is a mistake especially as a soldier. But everyone commits mistake at some point of their life and JJ is also human just like everyone else. It’s just so unfortunate that some people would focus only on the mistake and not on the good things that JJ has done for his country.. Those haters are trying to put JJ down because they’re jealous and envious of his achievements.
PFC Kim Jaejoong just ignore those negative comments, focus on the things that you need to do. Your fans are proud of you and will always be here to support you… FIGHTING!!!
Cheer up… 🙂 🙂 🙂
Thank you soldier for this comment, many haters found it an occasion to hate on JJ who is always excellent on his work.
Thank you for such a nice comment from the fellow soldier. He shares Jaejoong’s experience of giving 2 yrs of his own life, so he can see Jaejoong more kindly, I guess.
As far as netizens using this to hate on JJ, they were waiting for something. Many people have an interest in JYJ failing, and JYJ’s every success is an irritation. No matter what JJ did, they were looking for a way to accuse him. Frankly, I hope that doesn’t deter JYJ from doing anything they think they should do. Haters will be haters. Lovers will be lovers. Someday those haters will have nowhere to stand if JYJ continue going forward with their whole investment, and real fans will be strongly standing with them.
The fact is, JYJ was the first idol group to be recognized by the Prime Minister’s award. It is a big honor that JYJ paid the price for over the course of 8 years through incredible accusation and oppression. I hope they never give up and go forward with hope and confidence.
very well said! thanks for your comment!
lyrics? uniform badge? those are all superficial that only shallow and narrow minded people use as measures of JJ’s worth as a soldier.
It’s like a student who’s doing all these leadership and extra curricular activities here and there (for the school and student body) and accidentally mess up with his uniform in an occasion, compared to a student who’s doing nothing but get in and get out of the classroom just to comply the day’s attendance, having the complete model uniform and of course he won’t be caught up if he knows to sing the national anthem because he is just there in school doing nothing but sit on his desk. That doing_nothing student has a peaceful life, you can’t expect him to be under fire.
JJ may not be in a battlefield with real guns and bullets, but he has his own battle, to give entertainment to people that not every soldier can do. He burned his skin during GFF while singing on top of his lungs , he endured the cold and rain at night during CISM rehearsals and mobbed during the actual performance and how he carry the incident with professionalism but no one has written an article of commendation or the so called netizens even talked about it?
Keep your head up PFC Kim Jaejoong
“If You’re Not Making Mistakes, then You’re Not Doing Anything.”
“This quote belongs to Hall of Fame basketball player/coach John Wooden, who was not only well aware that it’s okay to regularly make mistakes—everybody does—but that you’re doing something wrong if you don’t. It’s easy to expect perfection from ourselves and/or fear the judgment that comes with screwing things up, but even at its worst we learn from those errors. That’s not a new concept by any means, but it’s one often forgotten. Mistakes are an indicator that you’re actually trying to succeed, so without them you’re not doing much of anything at all (and probably making yourself much less happy in the process). “
Very well said unnie…. A++++++++++++++++ for your comment.. 🙂
Ah yes,Keep Your Head Up!
I like and agree with your comment!
I think that’s the point, Kris. They were mistakes, which a perfectionist like Jaejoong would take terribly hard, all on his own. I’m not sure how the military could even punish him for them, they were not done on purpose or for any malicious reason whatsoever so beyond admonishing him and telling his to be more careful in the future… I’m sure they’ll see how mortified his is by the gaffs. He wants SO BADLY to do well, in everything of course, but definitely in the military.
“Watch out for the joy-stealers: gossip, criticism, complaining, faultfinding, and a negative, judgmental attitude.”
-Joyce Meyer-
I think following the sunburn, sun allergy and possibly mild sunstroke during the GFF Jaejoong had not fully recovered. When he was singing the anthem his lower lip looked a bit rough. Since Jaejoong’s lips are always soft and smooth, this could be a sign of fever and/or overexposure to the sun. The full vids of the awards ceremony show him sniffle a few times and stretch his neck and shoulders as if having a cold and feeling weak.
On the other hand I also noticed that on the stage JYJ were in their own world, having some funny moments together, especiially with Junsu and his handling of the JYJ flag.
If you watch this short vid on a larger screen you will clearly see the lower lip is not its usual self (from 020 to the end).
May I know where to find the full version of the award ceremony? I can’t find it…
@ Eunice Hi, I have not yet found a full fancam from the beginning to the end of the event. However, what I was referring to above, that JYJ seemed to be in a world of their own and shared some funny moments, especially on account of Junsu’s handling the JYJ flag is in the fancam which I’ll attach here (2.36). It contains the full presentation of the awards ceremony. I am also giving you a link for the full Junsu performance as a finale of the event. Once you are on YT with these, you will find other shorter fancams of JYJ entering the venue, etc.
151029 JYJ-Korean Popular Culture & Arts Awards(ep.1)
Oh… Thank you very much. I’ll enjoy watching all these. ^^
I too noticed that JYJ seemed to be in their own world on stage and I totally loved it. They were present with what was going on but they seemed to be into each other. I do not know how to explain it. I just know I loved their interaction with one another.
They were clapping hands when the others did but other than that they weren’t interested in striking a conversation with their neighbours on either side, except briefly when approached by them. It was really heart-warming to see the three of them so content in each other’s company.