Former 5-man group, TVXQ and their grueling schedule has caught attention. This after initially alarming fans from SNSD’s crazy schedule, which was revealed last week.
SNSD’s written out day to day schedule recently surfaced to the online community. The schedule proved the hard work of current sky-rocketing popularity of SNSD, showing that they barely have a moment to rest from June 8th until the end of July. Some perspectives saw their busy schedule as not a sign of popularity, but more of a health concern.
However, the spotlight has shifted back a few years as the former 5-man TVXQ’s schedule recently appeared online as well.
The schedule plotted out TVXQ’s errands for a year, from July 2008 to July 2009, excluding but not limited to: magazine photo shoots, studio recording sessions, movie filming, DVD filming, cover photo shoots, and CF shoots.
With that said, netizens were shocked to see that the schedule had the 5 members entering and departing the country almost as often as normal people have mealtimes and pulling multiple gigs a day with barely a day to rest throughout the year. Netizens commented, “SNSD doesn’t even compare to this”, “Is this even possible?’, ‘That’s horrible, that must have been so painful’, ‘Celebrities have it hard’, and ‘They need avatars’, sharing both their feelings and concerns.
Source + Photo: TVreport via Nate
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This old DBSK schedule will forever haunt SM as the schedule that proved that “slavery in ent business exists”
Your right!
It should haunt them as this was one of the reasons why tvxq are no longer together. But the sad thing is it won’t because they are still up to their old tricks – like this schedule thing. I wonder if TVXQ2 got a better contract since the 2 stayed behind like better pay, because their schedule doesn’t seem to be less. They seem to be everywhere, commercials, variety shows, photo shoots, just to name a few. JYJ may be busy, but I think they are happier because they call their own shots and schedule. And I think their busy schedule are in spurts. Just my thoughts & opinion.
Now lets just see how SM rebutt and deny this one!!!!
Well…duh.
=P
Hope stockholders get wind of the schedule comparison debacle and the people’s reactions. I want to see the stocks go down!
*sits back with skittles and popcorn*
*sits with you.. with frappes on each hand..*
(waiting for it to get later in the evening) …but will grab a frosty-brew and join the party ~ heehee
PARTAAY! ^^
Decided to go for chips ‘n salsa instead of popcorn. So cliche, popcorn. LOL 😀
I don’t like popcorn anyways… i always choke on it xD Spicy Salsa? Yum yum ❤
#joining you XD
joining with all of u with a popcorn and other snack in my hand also prepare Tio on my side
I’ll join you with fried chicken. Sitting beside dear @Miaw.
this schedule is crazy, i feel bad for idols. So glad they are not with sm anymore, at least now, they are still very busy but they look happy and they have more opportunities to grow in other areas.
agree with you.
agree with you..
Yes they are busy, but it’s by their choice as to being force to perform at someone else command. and greed!
Those schedules are just insanity, I don’t know how any of them survived them 😦 at least JYJ aren’t put through that any more
I’m glad my oppas left.
me too. JYJ left at just the right time when you look at how insane SM was getting.
I also agree! What’s even sadder is that this has been going on with SM for over 10 years.
I worry about how hard JYJ is working NOW! I can’t even imagine what this must have been like for them.
And then to wind up with **nothing** to show for it…. Remember Yuchun’s “Song With No Name”…. these
poor guys were working THIS hard only to get a big “NO” and a cold stare from LSM . Despicable.
i’m always worry too about they will kill them self with the work …. but … i always think that our boys LOVE work hard even when they are with the evil com. but what it’s make them upset and unhappy was that NO … and the eat of there own money ,,, sigh ,,, really happy they are left .. nothing worse than u work really hard but u find a cold reaction welcome u after that …. >< dame it …
worry about thous girls ,, i]m not a fan and even i don’t like them BUT as a women a have really anger inside me that they treat the poor girls like this … girls in body and mental have a more ability to the weak condition … hope at lest sm treat them as human and as women for once … >< dame it …
With the girl groups rise in Japan, there will be no rest for them, unless the members of girl groups start falling unconscious on stage, but even then the rest will continue to prance around, because it’s money, money, money. Kara and Snds sell their singles and albums like hot cakes in Japan, their sales are amazing, and there’s no way the companies give them a break. The fad comes and goes, gotta milk it while it lasts… who cares about singers’ health…
hi sis ,, happy see u again with us ^^
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ah but … !! for real .. i expect that even that evil com. will do something for there condition … the girls better health means more money … <_< but even this did't make them stop do stupid thing like this ….. sigh …
oh my god .. poor them … and the singer health means nothing in front of all that 000000 of money … just sigh ….
from my heart i'm happy that my boys not suffer from this any more ,,,
but when you go to allkpop there still groupies who protect that detestable company.. either their employees or SM pays them to play dumb..
one stupid comment… “and somehow they became one of the most popular boybands in asia. People seem to forget who helped them get there”
errrrmmmmm the fans????
also, SM and its executives milked on the boy’s hardwork and the fans’ genuine love.. so it is funny how some blind fans think Papa LSM is being just fatherly..
OMG I HATE when fans use that “Papa” thing with ppl like LSM and YG.
It irks me SFM cause I’m like “he’s not ur goddamn papa!”
and for girls to say that to a man……*sighs*
Who helped them?
Of coz it’s the Boys themselves and their fans!
From that comment, you would have thought lsm went on all the schedules with the boys (instead of sitting comfortable in his office counting the money OUR boys earned) and singing LITI, Bolero, Proud and dancing to Raising Sun!
Wait, let me go puke first!!!!!!
I went to read the comments there as I had nothing to do, but I left once I saw some certain’s girl group’s fan saying the ultimate BS imho — girl groups gain popularity with their songs but boybands – with their bodies. I knew it was better to leave then or I’d get so worked up and end up replying with something I would regret later.
There are so many people worshipping the “SM Family”, it astonishing. And some fans say the busy schedules of their girls is the proof of their popularity and star status. Whatever….
yah.. and comments like “fame has it’s price”
if it’s their contracts has WARNING: OVERLY CRAZY SCHEDULE TILL YOU COULD NO LONGER WALK…i dont think no matter how much you want to be famous.. what will be the sense i’ll be using the money to get me doctors …
seriously hectic schedules are normal.. but then when it goes on for the whole year.. then is it worth it? even machines gets some regular shutdowns every quarter as preventive maintenance (to prevent machine from shutting down).. and we’re talking about humans here.. the reason why SM still holds this ground is because of people who justifies abuse as part of fame..
“the reason why SM still holds this ground is because of people who justifies abuse as part of fame..”
THIS
HUUUUUH??? mmm in my head, it’s usually been the girls that get their popularity w/ their bodies *____* have i been living under a rock in another dimension??
no my friend.. you’re on the correct side of the dimension.. i think those who said the girl groups popularity are based on their singing ability then says SNSD ruled KPOP is the one living under the rock.. they are good performers but not all can sing well enough to be worthy of worship.. CSJH is the girl group for me that can SING WELL
ahhhh i’m glad i’m in this dimension XDDDD
@jenknight
You got that right.
I’ll never stop hating SM for what they did to The Grace TT__TT
And don’t get me started with Zhang Li Yin
AKP is just full of trolls and pre-teens I reckon. I don’t see how anyone can believe this Sm Family bull or not see that the company is exploitative to the max
and it’s unfortunate that most fans get their news from that site infested by “some” teens who does not understand a single thing about the value of life, hardwork and health.. since they just sit at the front of their computers and ask mom for allowance.. not to offend other teenagers here.. but some life lessons: You have to appreciate your parents, sisters, aunts or whoever those who gives you allowance and money to buy the stuffs you love.. i got to appreciate my parents more when i experienced myself the harsh reality of standing on my own and working hard for the money i spent.. and when you get sick.. then you get to realize also that hardwork will mean nothing if you’ll just get to spend half of those salary to buy yourself medicine or pay doctors..
It is sad, especially since AKP is biased as hell and has some very dodgy translations. A lot of the commenters don’t seem to want to even consider that it’s very likely that their idols are locked in unfair contracts and are overworked, which is sad since they apparently love them so much
I agree with everyone, this is the reason why I stopped going to AKP.
I so agree with you!
I can’t believe someone said exactly what I’m feeling right now.
What’s up with those allkpop people?
I HATE SM!
They don’t care for their arstists, their arstists are just money for them. HOW CAN PEOPLE CAN BE SO BLIND? GOD!
I’m so glad JYJ is away from this hell.
Fighting with JYJ until the end!
@Clara
“What’s up with those allkpop people?
I HATE SM!”
I do too. Passionately and vengefully, I hate SM. I want them to pay. I want them to suffer. I want their business to fail. And of course, I want to see LSM behind bars. Is that too much to ask?
🙂
@Lilibaiyu, girls
¿May I add AVEX to your “most hated people” list? I want them to pay too.
@shuheilove
“May I add AVEX to your “most hated people” list?”
Why you sure can! lol
BTW–is anyone else having a really hard time with this new format?? All of a sudden clicking on the name of the person posting doesn’t automatically take you to their post on the blog anymore. What’s up with that??
it was insane. i am glad it resurfaced again to show others just how bad they had it. health hazard indeed. so if snsd’s schedule is not as bad but they are still very popular, doesn’t that also say that they do not need an insane schedule to make it big?
SM artists have it tough. i think they are trying to fill the void left by DBSK in Japan. In fact, they are sending Super Junior, Shinee, later on f(x), but apparently making focus on SNSD as main “course” so to speak. unfortunately for SM, there is AKB48 which is probably the most popular in Japan right now. I seriously hope that SNSD does not suffer the same faith as DBSK though, recently some of the girls have been getting sick.
That is why, no matter that I have been a hardcore Ot5 fan..why am I happier to be a JYJ fan? Because I can see the boys genuinely smile now. I love seeing that they can have a choice of their own projects and schedules..They are simple LOVE! and they seem more genuine than other ‘idols”.
Whenever this dreadful schedule resurfaces, my heart hurts…
If the idols at SME think they’re having it tuff rite now, “The EVIL One” is spreading out to Europe, what will their schedules be like then?? rite now, they mostly hop from Korea to Japan and back and forth. When they start making that trip back and forth with Europe included is gonna be torture!! Thank God our beloved JYJ got out in time!!
I have a question, if anyone knows, when R they suppose to go to court again and finish this up?? they sure R stalling, doncha think? is the courts of South Korea as allegedly as corrupt as the Prosecutor’s Office?? just curious~~~
I hipe SME and avex BURN IN HELL!!
About the court thing, from what I remember the sides won’t meet up in court room anymore. The judge was supposed to give the verdict to both parties and then the lawyers would deal with it accordingly. I’ve just talked with my mom about it, it’s been so long and no news at all. The verdict should have been made last month, if I”m not mistaken, and even if there wasn’t supposed to be an annoucement about it, there are no rumours about it. Makes me nervous. But then again, weren’t there news about three board’s directors selling their stocks just the other day? Maybe the court’s decision is already known to both parties, only they don’t make it public yet and try to solve the disagreements among themselves, but some folks feel it won’t end up good and abandon the ship, so to speak?
Isn’t that insider trading?
some of the comments on allkpop are just frustrating!!! *headdesk*
T_T i’m so glad JYJ are free
@childofhallyu
i always think it’s better not to look. lol If I look, I get angry and when that happens, I can’t control myself and then I “say things.” So I always think it’s better not to look. (I’ve done enough damage on SYC…. don’t get me started somewhere else now…)
🙂
Yeah…..I’m guilty of that too.
Amen to that. I think it’s a site for mostly younger generation who have not experienced working hard.
this is not a news for me, and i don’t think people should be surprised by this, i always remember the boys saying when ever they wanted to do something like writing a song, or anything else they had no choice but to take that time from their sleep time, and next day they have to week up early in the morning! i remember jaejoong and junsu saying that more then once, but no one payed attention for what they are saying.
i also remember micky telling a story about him wanting to have driving test to get a license, and they had only one chance to take it,but he failed in it after being sick and hospitalized, and changmin was hospitalized at the same time, and yunho give a comment that all five members fall sick at the same time of the year, which was was their only vacation in a whole year. and even the MC give a comment that their schedule most have been really hard in them, and that wasn’t even near their Mortic days.
i just don’t understand how could they talk with them calmly about them being sick and hospitalized at the same time from over worked!
i don’t even understand the reason for me to talk about this.
i think people knows those facts already but it’s quite hard for them to admit it!
i am glad that JYJ have stand up for their human rights.
and i am really sorry for my bad English.
i’m so agree with u….
they really did mention about their hectic schedule…but at that time,we fans,never really take notes of that because we thing they probably earn a lots of money. I mean seriously, i wouldn’t mind work my ass off if i really earn back what i deserve….but ironically,they not!!
i believe our boys love to be busy..see even after they left SM they still working as hard as they can,but the difference is,they do what they like and they get what they deserve…
that’s why the lawsuit they’re filled is not about their crazy schedule,but more about their unfair of pay…
but whatever it is it’s already a past!! they’re now enjoy they’re freedom (even tho they still looks tired as hell),but i believe they’re “happy tired”…=D
lol..and my english might be worst than u..hahaha…=D
@Jennisa
“i believe our boys love to be busy..see even after they left SM they still working as hard as they can,but the difference is,they do what they like and they get what they deserve…”
And THAT!! That is a big, BIG difference, no? That is what this whole 2 year battle royal has been about and what it’s been for. JYJ has declared their independence from SM exactly the same way we here in the U.S. declared ours from Great Britain in 1776. NO difference whatsoever.
And btw, both your english and Leno’s is a marvel of excellence! I wonder at you girls, really I do! I speak exactly one language. You are all bantering back and forth in 2 or even 3 of them. Really, I’m in awe of you.
🙂
LoL at your comment about the english,it makes me feel happy that a native english speaker thinks that ^^
the problem isn’t with the words, it’s the writing that’s hard, you may know the word but not how to write it, so i always need to cheek, i do read a lot but still have it difficult with long words xd
and the best way to learn languages is to watch movies and dramas ^_^, like our boys did with Japanese.
and that’s why i understand little of Japanese, though i never studied it, and don’t know how to read and write, but i still find Korean hard they don’t speak clearly as Japanese.
and i don’t know why i am writing this i just feel like saying it XXD
@Leno
“the best way to learn languages is to watch movies and dramas ^_^, like our boys did with Japanese.
and that’s why i understand little of Japanese, though i never studied it, and don’t know how to read and write, but i still find Korean hard they don’t speak clearly as Japanese.”
You know what? I kind of agree with you. I think Japanese is a little easier to the ear (I watch a lot of K- and J-dramas too) than Korean. Plus, with Korean, they do love to talk very fast and kind of run words together and also leave out saying certain letters (like saying “Ee
instead of “Lee”) so it’s really hard! I’m still trying to figure out how to pronounce Jang Guen Suk’s name. If any native Korean speakers are on the list, could you please write it out phonetically for me?? I’d be forever grateful.
🙂
@lilibaiyu
sorry but i don’t know anyone,i hoped to help you.
and yes, the first time i heard korean i thought it was weired and some how annoying, but i do like it now. of course after hearing the boys voices who wouldn’t like it ^_^ ! and the japanese was fun for me from the start, i watched japanese dramas and anime before korean’s,and because of that the first song i heard for the boys was japanese, and i love that ^^
but i think if some one hear me talking they will think that i speak such weird language too, i even hear it from other cities in my country xd.
@lilibaiyu
I’m not a native speaker but from what I can hear, they pronounce his name as “Junk” “goon” “Sock”.
you are rite, sorry if sounded angry at the fans, when i am not, i just was angry remembering other idols from that company talking about the contract being fair for them and all, and that the company never do any thing bad, and care for their’s idols, when the truth was that only TVXQ at that time experienced such crazy schedule. and i feel ashamed some how about me feeling relaxed when hearing that they are now experiencing the same thing, so that they don’t talk about things as easy as they did when they don’t know anything about it!
and the worst thing that some people believe theme!!
and i don’t mean SNSD of course, i do feel sorry for them.
i hope people now stop calling them greedy at lest after reading this.
and yea, our boys are really hard working, i hope they rest more.
hahaha.. i am happy that i am not the only one =p
* at least
i was talking with @Jennisa , i replied at the wrong comment.
“that’s why the lawsuit they’re filled is not about their crazy schedule,but more about their unfair of pay”
I think it was the ticking point for them. They had these hectic schedule which they endured for years but when they got their pay it was in the negatives. Yoochun’s A Song Without A Name Part 1 talks about the issues that drove them to fight for what they deserve.
-Also health issues. For example they had to perform even if they were close to having an asthma attack.
If they broke or sprained a limb (which they shouldn’t have anyways if they were working under proper conditions)….they were still made to go on stage and perform.
-They had no control over their personal image or schedule (eg. if you are the ‘pretty boy’ you must remain the pretty boy)
-No control over their schedule. But more than that they had no control over the quality of their schedule. (For example, it was reported that they once had to go on a Japanese TV show that had barely any viewers…when they were dead tired and play stupid games just so SME could keep ‘important’ contacts)
-They had no choice on what songs went into their albums or not. For example if they composed a song it could only be used with SME’s ‘permission’.
-They were not allowed to use their image to sell things but SME had full control of their ‘image’ and could use it to sell their restaurant food for example.
-The biggest thing was INCOME though. WHy should anyone work their butt off for little pay?
They most likely endured it all because they knew they were going to get paired for their worth but when you get a negative paycheck when you’ve just brought in millions I’ld walk out if they refuse to listen to my grievances. I was shocked to learn how much they earned compared to the revenue they were generating which was stabilizing over 100+ million USD .
@hakuna matata
“I was shocked to learn how much they earned compared to the revenue they were generating which was stabilizing over 100+ million USD .”
Yes, I was too. Really dumbfounded. That’s why I don’t think the term “slavery” is an exaggeration. They were for all intents and purposes the slaves of SM and have had to fight with every strength within them for going on 2 years to get away from that demonic place. That’s why I’ll never stop being proud of them and I’ll never stop backing them 100%.
*hugs all of you*
I stand with you guys. ^^
you guyssaid it all!
Although I loved tvxq as 5, im glad jyj did what they did cause there is no way in hell that im ok with them working to death.
@minnaa
” im glad jyj did what they did cause there is no way in hell that im ok with them working to death.”
I think this schedule has been brought out again at a good time actually. It makes it very easy to see a timeline and a reason for JYJ doing what they did and it also makes it clear why there can be no reunion in the foreseeable future. YH&CM are still signed to within an inch of their lives to SM. There is NO WAY that JYJ will go back there and SM will certainly not let Homin out of their sight, so…. Everybody–time to move on. As JYJ sing, “You gotta let it go, let it go, let it go, let it go!”
and let the executives take the bigger slice of the pie while the boys are left with crumbs…
@Jen
I would dare to say, the boys always were left with almost nothing. SME executives always took even the crumbs.
Is this a leaked document? An actual copy of what they handed out to artists? or did fans compile this just like this one: http://withjyj.wordpress.com/2011/03/27/article-tvxq-history-of-6-years-%E2%80%93-it-was-a-brutal-drama/
Hmm I know this was already posted here before, but it’s relevant to the article. In any case, I rarely comment nowadays but this whole incident with SNSD is just like a bad nightmare no? I hope SNSD fans learn from the past and not sugarcoat those fainting spells, IV shots, crazy schedules as things that the girls need to be “popular” and “successful.”
I still don’t understand, if all of the boys of DBSK weren’t happy with the way they were being treated by SM, why did Yunho and Changmin chose to stay? It’s been bothering me for a long time now.. I’m sorry if this offends anyone about this topic, but I would really like to know some answers or speculations to this matter.
cause their afraid of the consequences….their career is to important to them (or should i say money and popularity)they dont have the gts to sy no to sm
There is no definite answer that we know of. It could be one of many reasons or a combination of many reasons.
-Promises of higher pay and more rest or more solo activities to increase popularity?
-Shares might have been given?
-Parental pressure?
-Fear of losing ones career?
Etc.
I’m gonna bet All Of The Above…oh, and more!
This from a former Yunho-biased person. *sigh*
But that was almost 3 years ago, and I still hold HM in a soft spot…
BUT!
There’s no denying that JYJ have accomplished so much more in this short time than HM has. Even with everything that they have behind them supporting them. Ironic really. It’s almost laughable.
You’d think HM would be able to do more with giant companies backing them, but it’s like they’re tied up.
JYJ on the other hand only has what contact they have. You’d think they’d be tied up–limited–yet they’ve been doing SO much.
This is why I can’t wait for the new album to release (*insert whine* please! soon! fancams, my poor ears. lol! ^^) with all the epic songs they’ve self-composed. Let’s see what ‘blinded’ fans have to say then. Ha.
/end rant.
@Bluefyre
“This is why I can’t wait for the new album to release (*insert whine* please! soon!”
BIG HUGE ditto there! I can’t wait either. Although I did have a happy realization the other day–they were singing the new songs in concert to pre-recorded tracks, right? So that might very well mean that the tracks to all the new songs are done! Maybe even vocals are done, but tracks, definitely! My big worry was that they were all going to get so busy separately that they’d have no time to devote to getting the new material recorded any time soon, but maybe they’re a lot closer than I thought! Yay!
@lilibaiyu
I DO hope you’re right.
I’ve been listening/watching the LA & Tokyo fancams for the better part of today. *sigh* LOL. I NEED those songs or I’m gonna go deaf! 😀 Why must you be such good composers?! adkjasdfjkasdf!!!! ^^
I’m hoping against hope they include live recordings too. They’re such perfectionists too though. hehe.
OK, guys. Rest. Do your thing (obligations, etc). Release! *chants* 😀
Will never know why they stayed unless they talk about it. I think its a slew of factors like those Pheonixia listed and many more that might have influenced their decision.
Yeah… I’m a TVXQ! fan, I love all of them. I support both, JYJ and HoMin. I just hope Yunho and Changmin are doin’ well… but we know about Yunho and that show kiss & cry… whatever I’m out of context hehe sorry. And It’s very delicate to speculate in a public blog cause not everybody wiil think the same as you, in my case of course I do have speculations (and my friends from my city haha) If you want us to share spazz follow me on twitter @hildachobi
I think it’s rude to fangirl about that on here~
(I’m sorry too for my bad english hehehe I’m a native spanish speaker)
ahaha we posted the same question. .are you my twin?
@Haley,did you see after JYJ left,with a big lawsuit ,the rest of people who choose to stay back get a little bit better life “*****”,?And if our JYJ don’t choose the harder way to survive,to fight back from those terrible monster from that company -they choose to walk out that door ,didn’t know how about tomorrow may come,but still they choose to fight like a real man.-Can they sing ,dance,write the song with their feelings and do the things they want to do like right now?
HM have their reason,the reason maybe already there from the start,we don’t know ,and I didn’t want to know,because they were living together ,together with everything, like the crazy time to work …etc etc…Why did our JYJ can go with the war ,and the other 2 couldn’t?The name of an legend now only the other 2 ‘re using it ,”****”,I don’t want to say some bad words here ,and I don’t want to say about the bad things to some peoples ,I loved once in the past,so,HM choose their life with SM ,let them be ,we don’t need their reason any more,if we love our JYJ enough-don’t talk bads about their brothers-our JYJ are still loving their brothers even though HM not even mention about their love to our boys ,they keep their mouth shut ,or only say something bads,but JYJ ‘RE STILL LOVE THEM ,WE ‘ALL KNOW ABOUT IT ,so ,please ,just don’t ask any more about the reason why the others choose to stay…
i will never understand all these comments…
So ,”what can you do” ?
🙂
there’s an answer to that, we just dont know about it. What I can say HoMin choose to stay for a reason only they know what and why.
@Haley
Many many years later, when they’ve all moved behind the scene, when they’ve all established themselves and not reliant on anyone else nor any company anymore, someday Yunho will tell about the real reason he stayed, why he stayed and how the real situation turned out to be… He will speak truthfully and honestly the conflicting emotions he felt for the split and how very different their paths became and wat he thought of the outcome of the split incident~ This incident will always remain a thorn in his heart and there are certain things that he can learn from this, which I’m sure he will constantly reflect upon~~ Yunho is a nice person, if maybe a little too rigid and stiff at times, I guess his family values and upbringing also prevented him from being otherwise~ Although some of the things he said thus far in regards to his 3 brothers in this incident are pretty unforgivable and petty and childish, I believe they were not all his true feelings. I believe there are more hidden truths which will only be revealed as time goes by, as wounds heal, as misunderstanding corrects itself…
On the other hand, I’m more disappointed with Changmin than with Yunho. He is smart, but he’s too young and a bit impulsive and hot-headed~ He was practically eager to lash out all the hurt that he felt and was speaking much too brashly and arrogantly without using his intelligent brains…. There’s a Chinese saying which I personally think fits Changmin well: “聪明反被聪明误 – Cleverness may overreach itself”. In this case, it’s a bit upsetting for me to see all his eager display of immaturity, brashness and arrogance~ He used to be witty, nice, intelligently deep and showed a wise insight despite of his age…. Alas … now I see it still takes truly difficult situations to bring out the real character inside a person, and he’s quite literally showing that he’s not taking this well~ Anyway, he needs a bit more time and later events to make up his mind from now on….
Ultimately, I think personal character, family upbringing and differences of values contributed to the split. I discussed their case with my Korean teacher and she gave me some insight into how Koreans think and the thinking basis of their perspectives, the cultural and social patterns of their society and stuff… From there, combined with my understanding of JYJ’s stance, I am able to see where HM is coming from now~ I guess the 3 who left had vastly different goals from the 2 who stayed… It’s just that they no longer can run on the same track together and the outcome they achieve will also be vastly different~ To me, JYJ is like part of the revolutionary force of Korean people with new insights and new ideas, whereas HM is like part of the traditional Korean people who sticks on to traditional values and upkeep traditional principles~
Sorry for the long post, hehe… Just felt like pitching in a bit of my thoughts on this topic~ Cheers!~ ^_^
Thanks for the insight into the cultural aspect.
Neither side is wrong for their decisions. What I don’t like is the insinuation that because JYJ choose to go against the norm or Homin choose to upkeep traditional principles that they are wrong. Nobody is wrong and I can understand where each side is coming from. All we can do now is speculate about the reasons behind their choices but like you said years from now they’ll shed light over the situation when everything has cooled down.
Yes, totally agree that no one is wrong in this case but they are blamed, left side and right for making their own decisions, which pisses me off at the immaturity of it all!~ Haha~
Btw, I’m waiting for the years and years to pass by and for the day they finally shed light on this situation~ ^_^
@htwong
Wow, so many fascinating posts on this subject! Thanks so much for yours, htwong. This is the smartest bunch of people ever in a fandom! I’m learning so much here. Thanks to everyone who posted on this. I feel like I have pieced together a few more important bits of information regarding this sad mystery.
Haha~~ Am feeling happy that you agree on my viewpoint and that I have helped to shed light on certain mysteries for you~~ ^^ Cultural differences need a lot of proper and cool-headed communication in order to get the message clear and unbiased across, and I believe that is wat we are all doing here~
I have learned a lot from this superb fandom too!! Everyone is soooo insightful, including you as well, when I’m in a rush, usually I just pick a few people’s post to look through, and your posts are the ones I never missed~ hehe ^^ I like that most of our forum mates here think from a neutral and logical viewpoint, which is VERY important for one to see and understand the bigger picture of things~~ The whole TVXQ incident is like a history in the making, and there’re so much issues we can discuss, and everyone here is just so civil and nice and beautifully insightful, and it’s all out about the truth and understanding a different culture, not about fabrication and cover-ups~~ Hehe… undeniably, Great Men gather Great fans!! ^^
@htwong
“The whole TVXQ incident is like a history in the making, and there’re so much issues we can discuss, and everyone here is just so civil and nice and beautifully insightful, and it’s all out about the truth and understanding a different culture, not about fabrication and cover-ups~~”
This is what makes me happy too. The calmness, the reasonableness of the ladies here. And the fascinating perspectives. Always adding something new and unexpected, which then sparks my own understanding and new ways of looking at things. I have learned much here and have made good friends sharing my own ideas.
I’ve said before a little of my history–that I loved JYJ (and before) and of course other Korean R&B groups for years with absolutely no one I knew who shared my interest. I was the only one I knew who felt this way. I had no one else to share my love for this music with. So you can only imagine how much I treasure the ladies on this list, having people who often feel as I do and who love JYJ and this music as I do. xox
@lilibaiyu
hehe~ I guess I had better luck, I could share my love for Korean music with my younger sis…. it bonds us in a way that’s amazing~~~ Btw, I was not interested in TVXQ in their earlier days, coz I think the fashion was a wee~~ bit outrageous… haha~ It was my younger sis who introduced me to them, I liked their songs and I admired their talents so has been following them on and off~~ Ultimately, it was JYJ’s decision to move away and forge through the dark forest which turned me into 200% fan~ haha~~ I absolutely love the pioneering spirit they showed~ ^^
Just makes me sad to see this… 😦 not to mention that they didn’t even get fairly paid for all this work… WELL. Let’s just have faith in justice…:)
and the question in my mind that is still left unanswered TILL THIS DAY……
Why did Homin decided to stay?
@jenknight18
“Why did Homin decided to stay?”
Well, that’s the big question. The short answer is: we don’t know. Nor will it be easy to find out. One of the two of them, or a trusted confidante, would have to leak the story to a reporter and so far that hasn’t happened. Why? Probably because SM is watching them like a hawk. Secondly, they’d be in a world of trouble if such a story did surface. They are bound and gagged, and that’s the truth.
I think it’s safe to say there was massive company pressure to stay, and threats to themselves and their families if they went. Recently it’s been said that CM’s parents apparently talked him into staying put. I remember hearing that there were some financial dealings between the parents and SM that sounded pretty sleazy, but I’m not sure the exact nature of them. Others here will know the details there.
But I do remember that I felt very sad for YH&CM when I imagined that threats, parental pressure and wanting to remain filial might have turned them back to the hellhole that is SM after I had been so angry for so long at all of their awful statements in the press, not to mention KYHD, the lyrics to that song–that was just the end for me. So that’s what I know. Not much, but there are others here with far more knowledge.
🙂
I do think the “Parents” factor play a big part in their decision making.
Like some parents will always feel working in a BIG corp has bright future and stability and stuff…..
That’s why, sometimes, we should cut them (the 2) some slack. I pity them at times.
I pity them too. Well I don’t know what to think about those two poor boys, trapped within SME’s boundaries.
@shadow
“That’s why, sometimes, we should cut them (the 2) some slack. I pity them at times.”
Yes, I do too, now. Not always. I was outraged with them until I started finding little hints here and there about what must have happened to them. Now I just feel really bad for them. IMAGINE how angry and hopeless they must feel inside.
Same here. Pity.
It’s just sad.
One of these days they’re totally gonna crack. For real. T_T
They can’t take all that and not get beaten up severely inside.
I’m betting CM will be first.
@Bluefyre
“One of these days they’re totally gonna crack. For real. T_T
They can’t take all that and not get beaten up severely inside.
I’m betting CM will be first.”
Well, I won’t be taking that bet. CM looks about halfway there now, as far as I’ve been able to see. Now granted, I do not “keep up with Homin” and I really have no interest in their doings. But you can’t help but see things here and there, plus what I’ve read.
CM looks and acts miserable. Not hard to put 2 and 2 together there. YH just looks like a robot to me–going through the motions, grimly. He looks programmed and beyond that, unconscious. As someone here said so well yesterday–they lost the heart, the guts and the soul of TVXQ when they lost JYJ. How can they possibly bear to keep going through the motions now??
@lilibaiyu
Aww, come on! *pouts* ROFL
Yeah, what you said.
Oh well…we’ll see I guess.
When I see CM I wanna pat his head. Poor baby misses is Umma Jae and Junsu/Chun hyungs. Robot Appa Yunho is no fun these days. They might have been scripted roles by SM or maybe it’s just me… *shrugs*
Remember their song “Fighting Spirit of the East”? Yeah, that went to JYJ…HM don’t seem to have much more back up of that anymore.
Sometimes when I think about HM, I just feel really sad…and mad. >_<
I'm sadder and pity more when I remember this track from their Christmas album…
기도문 (Prayer) Narration
TRANSLATION
[Micky]
Please let the words that we say
Not be an evil smell
But rather with frangrant words
Let us leave fragrant echoes.
[U-kno]
Please let all our words be ones
That plant seeds in our neighbours' hearts
To become flowers of joy
And let it become a song of peace
Little by little,
Making the world a brighter place
[ChoiKang]
Please do not let us speak of
Gossip and rumors that help no one
And with clean hearts
Let us hear clean words.
[Xiah]
Please let me speak of loving words
With a loving heart
Not to think of myself first,
But instead put myself in the other person's shoes.
And let me speak positive words
With a positive heart
To look at my good points
Instead of the bad points.
[Hero]
As if giving the water of sincerity
To care for just one bud of an orchid everyday
Let us clear our words
With the clean water of wisdom
That we've retrieved
From the spring of our prayer and silence.
[Micky]
Please let us engulf ourselves
In the fragance of humbleness
Deep inside our hearts.
cr. dbskarchives
@Bluefyre
“I’m sadder and pity more when I remember this track from their Christmas album…
기도문 (Prayer) Narration”
Whoa. Oh, thanks. Now I’m sad. AND MAD! (Hey–just like you! lol) Why, why, why couldn’t YH&CM have summoned the BALLS to break out, along with their hyungs??? WHY!? Wouldn’t they be happy now and for the rest of their lives?? Butterfliesarefree and I calculated that JYJ has made more money in the last year than they did in all the time they were with SM PUT TOGETHER, and then some. Wouldn’t that have made CM’s dad happy?? Wouldn’t he have said, “Good job, son–you were right. Thank you for trusting yourself and your own instincts.” What is CM thinking now, as he watches JYJ? Oh–it’s just awful what is happening to them right now.
IKR… =/
Sad, sad, sad…
Glad I’m not the only one with mixed emotions. ^^
Did you factor in the World Tour profits too? I’m thinking they got loads off of this one. Heck. They donated $600,000 before all this. Before the new LOTTE campaign. Before NII. Before TIO. Before Miss Ripley. Before Mozart 2.0. Before Jae’s directing gigs(!!).
JYJ will probably donate around $2 million more after the Charity Concert.
What did HM donate? SM donated only $300,000 more than JYJ did and that was only after looking around how much everyone else was donating. PFFFTT.
Argh. The bittersweet. It’s almost like the pain I get from listening to In Heaven. lol.
pity T – T
Honestly, a lot of jyj fans think it was cowardice, but I disagree.
I really just think it’s ideology. South Korea is very hierarchal. It’s all about complete dedication and loyalty to the father or father-figure (in this case, Lee Sooman). There’s a reason rebelling against parents or an employer is such a common thread in kdramas. It’s sooo persistant in their society that it’s always relevent.
It seems that jyj and homin are on opposite ends of the spectrum. Jyj will respect the hierarchy to an extent when it’s fair, but when it’s not fair they’ll fight it (and don’t we love them for it <33). Homin, on the other hand, will respect the hierachy until the end. Even if it's corrupt. Even if it exploits them. Because without SM, they wouldn't be where they are. So if SM doesn't treat them fairly, so be it.
Maybe it's because I'm so liberal, but it just seems really tragic to me. The whole respect he hierarchy thing is so backwards sometimes. And Homin have been raised with these ideals and now these ideals are making them suffer. Idk, this is just my theory. It's just a basic explanation, obviously there's MUCH more to it. (like a lot of what phoenixia said)
@rawr92
Actually, I do agree with you, and I think the ultimate reason for why Homin stayed was the traditional Korean values they were taught to upkeep~ My Korean teacher said very matter-of-factly: “Well, they come from families with respectable figures, status-wise, so it’s not difficult to understand their decision to stay~ They have been taught to upkeep traditional values, and given their age, it takes a lot of courage to just overthrow those perspectives and walk away to a freer world.” My teacher’s Korean, but she’s not the typical Korean, that’s why she embraced the freer world.. ^^
The money part is unavoidable, since we all need to be practical that we’re living in the real world, so of course, yes, fighting in order to earn the money they deserved is totally understandable, since they worked like shit~ Ultimately, if everyone’s in the same situation, and 3 & 2 made different decisions, then it is no longer the money problem anymore… It’s more the values which they believe in AND the family influence that drives them to make the decisions they make…
I’m just sad… coz I think Homin are very nice people too~~ and I too, think they deserved a bigger chance and a broader space for personal growth as well as befitting monetary gains~~ In the end, I think their families brought them down~ Imagine they have an attorney and teacher for fathers, but ….. I can relate sooo well with them coz my family have values that are worlds different from me too, but I chose to fight my own war instead of get tied down and be unhappy~ I really do hope someday that Homin make decisions that will make themselves happy instead of break apart inside their hearts just to be filial sons~
My question to all this talk of tradition is: Why was JYJ able to go against traditional values (so to speak) and break free when HoMin could not; they were all raised with these same values!?!
@Barbara
they were living in the same country were a very trasditional value is upholded.. but i think they dont share ALL the same traditional point of view.
1. Yoochun was raised in the US and was exposed to a broken home . He grow up assuming the father responsibility over Yoohwan and looking out for his mother.. and that for me, though his strong personality was because he have to grow and mature fast. And i think here his mother has so much respect on how Yoochun assumed the responsibility that she could just support his decisions career wise..
2. JJ almost have the same “almost rebellious” character as Yoochun.. he run away from home to pursue his dream and didn’t bother living on the streets.. it was his own decision at his young age.. His the type of guy who chases his dream/vision and doesn’t stop even if circumstances tells him too…i dont know if his parents are traditional.. but i think they know that JJ can hold up a decision on his own… since he’ve been doing that even before debut..
3. Junsu.. on the other hand has a very solid family relation and i think it just so happened that his parent have a practical and liberated view of the world plus they recognize how their son is so talented that it’s unbearable to see him mistreated .. i think Junsu’s parents fall to those type that would not settle any less for their talented son..
4. Changmin’s and Yunho’s parents maybe the type of parents who upholds more to the traditional Korean values and would have not want to risk the stability…specially because there is this taboo Koreans have over scandals and lawsuits.. I would rather think that they just are very traditional than other people’s suggesting that they were bribed or threaten..
//sorry this was long.,. just my two cents..
@jenknight18 , @Barbara
Jenknight, you read my thoughts… ^_^
Yoochun was exposed to a much different set of social rules in US at a young age, as much as he felt that the memories were tough ones he doesn’t want to relive again, without a doubt, he would’ve developed a different set of perspectives from pure Korean social values. He would’ve adopted certain western way of life which is reasonable to his standards… Add to that an innate artistic character that is free and without frames of limitations, which his members constantly emphasized in interviews, it is only understandable to see him arriving at the decision he made — freedom of artistic creativity ~ Of course, his experience of taking care of his family also instilled in him a strength to start anew, to battle odds and to protect himself from bully~ As for his mother, I trust she’s supportive of Yoochun’s decision anyhow, as a mother of the child who had seen what he has gone through, and also coz I’m sure he sought lots of advice before making such a big and important decision~~
For JJ, he has a stubborn streak inside his soft heart~ That has been clear all along, to me~ In DB5K time, he shows a quiet leadership that somehow balanced out Yunho’s occasional awkwardness as a front leader. He doesn’t grabs the spotlight, his leadership is more subtle and is sometimes mistaken as a submissive character because he leads by giving support. He’s very soft-hearted, but definitely not without his own mind of thoughts. He’s always curious and full of new ideas — a pioneering mind, he’s very persistent in reaching his goals, and has never stopped working hard to achieving them. I guess in a way, SM gave him limited space for realizing all his innovative thoughts and ideas, and limited authority for him to manage his own life, which is why he decided to leave. As for his parents, for 1 thing, he’s been away from the main family for a long time that they can barely control him, for 2 thing, I think his parents are not exactly very well-educated, in which case since he has proven success in the road he had previously taken, they have more trust and support in his decisions. Besides, as my Korean teacher puts it simply:”He feeds the family, if he can live a better life through a different choice, why not?”
As for Junsu, I totally agree with Jenknight, his family is closely-knitted, and I believe the parents recognize their son’s talent, and they wish for a bigger performing stage for him~ I believe all of the JYJ members discussed the issue like more than 100 times before they finally make the move, and I’m sure Junsu’s parents were supportive of them all… I think his parents agreed the boys deserve better monetary gains (Asian parents mostly think from the money aspect in the decisions their children are about to make) for the workload they were on, as well as their need to have a more flexible and creative, bigger even, space to showcase their talents.
As opposed to all rumours flying around on Homin’s parents suggesting they were bribed, I 100% believe that their parents were merely very traditional people. At the same time, I have previously mentioned that their fathers have very respectable social status, and it is an unthinkable thing for Asians to embroil the family in scandals, especially for Korean society which places so much emphasis on the confucius thinking of social honour, which is one of the big reasons why I think Homin stayed. There’s too much essence of Asian social values involved here that is too lengthy to explain. But I think that Homin were brought up in very traditional Asian families who look highly upon family honour. I think they were also taught to give way to family honour, filial piety and responsibility first before their own happiness and freedom. I do not doubt that Yunho must have gone through very deep internal emotional conflict when his members talked to him about leaving, if they really did discussed it. In the end, he made his choice, I guess, for his family, as well as for Changmin, and for the honour of TVXQ which he believes still exists and which he has responsibility to keep the torch alive. As for Changmin, I guess the bomb was dropped on him quite literally and he’s still trying to cope with the aftermath of it~~ Changmin has very similar upbringing with Yunho, and it’s not surprising to see them both ending up on the same stance in a situation.
Woah, this is lengthy, but @Barbara, I hope you’re able to figure things out from here~~ Reasons that contribute to the split may sometimes seem far-fetched, but if you link them together 1 by 1, the reasoning is pretty understandable. Peace!! ^_^
@rawr92
“Maybe it’s because I’m so liberal, but it just seems really tragic to me. The whole respect he hierarchy thing is so backwards sometimes. And Homin have been raised with these ideals and now these ideals are making them suffer. Idk, this is just my theory.”
And…. let’s see…. I wonder who “designed” the whole hierarchy thing in the first place? Could it have been… the people at the top?
Hmmmm….. seems possible. Brainwash a whole culture that going against your wims and wishes is inherently and morally wrong, let a few centuries of reinforcement go by and voila! You and yours will be in charge forever!
@lilibaiyu
“And…. let’s see…. I wonder who “designed” the whole hierarchy thing in the first place? Could it have been… the people at the top?”
It’s not really designed by anyone, it’s the product and outcome of exploitation by some powerful people in a society which worships certain values and teachings, which in this case, is confucianism~~ The hierarchy may have play its role in establishing a respectful and harmonious order in the society in its early form, but as the society opens up to capitalism, a group of people who cashes in on capitalism, who at the same time is unscrupulous, may find it convenient to use this hierarchy ideology for their own selfish purposes~ And usually, the people living under the hierarchy itself does not know where are the limits of the hierarchy, or they could be afraid of the unseen future if they abruptly disrupt the order of society which has been as it is for all time, and thus continue to tolerate it, causing the exploitation to go even further~
Erm…. this looks like it’s serious sociology stuff.. hehe… but if you really want to understand in depth, you can look up on the history of the medieval age of Europe and the development of Christianity, the situation is quite similar to wat is happening here and now to our boys and their other brothers~ You can also look up on the crossover of religion from maternal-oriented paganism to paternal-oriented Christian church which includes dark background on how powerful royalties manipulated commoners during medieval times for more power, more money, in the name of religion~ Hehe… Sorry, I’m no Christian, but I was too engrossed with Da Vinci’s Code (the book) and all other similar books that I went and look up some history stuff…. both Eastern and Western…. The things that happened to TVXQ in this TVXQ/SM business echos eerily similar to wat I’ve read of before it gives me goosebumps as I watch the current events unfold themselves~~ Humans and their living society have so many same basic natures and characteristics, regardless of culture or race, that if you really do take the time to compare, you’d find history scarily repeating itself again and again, here and there in different cultures, different countries, different races…. It’s a natural cycle no one can break, definitely not mankind~
Sorry, couldn’t keep myself from doing long post again… 😛
kind of agree with this. before i think only money’s ruling. i mean, with SM, you can guarantee heavy promotion and even if you’re not that popular again, you can strive to be next yoo young jin and so on. but when i think again, i guess they don’t have to worry very much with their huge popularity back then… i mean, shinhwa’s doing fine until now, or at least even after they leave SM they still promote pretty well for few years right? so why can’t tvxq do the same thing? that makes the hierarchy’s thing is one of the most possible answer.
my god I really hate SM, poor SNSD they’re their slaves now, I’m so happy that JYJ are so far the SM
http://hallyudream.blogspot.com/
All I have to say is: SME; ¡SLAVERS, TRICKERS AND THIEVES!
Hear hear!
@Shadow
¡Hello babe!
this news resurface too late..they already break up.. on top of that JYJ moving on their own wing to better life.
p/s:agree the saying “snsd doesn’t event comparable to this”..
SM trom outside truly a place that look like a heaven for a newbabies but at inside there are really became a truly hell in this world….
i hope SNSD fans became more aware n maybe more prepare for some thing that maybe will happen in the future like a lawsuit (if the girls has a courage) for a liltle things and for the worts scene is get hospitalized for long time n for the last things is (i hope it’s not gonna be happen ) get suicide coz right now even though phisically they look can throught it but their mental and their minds not can do that…..if u tired in mental in same time as your body then inconsiounous state you will choose to escappe from those problem and the easy way for someone who really tired (body and mental) is a suicide
@Miaw
Oh, that’s true. When young artists burdens theirselves to the point of exhaustion, either physical and mental, and they reach the point of no return, they ended up commiting suicide. Sad, very sad.
ALL are FREE to choose a life they want. They are where they are because that’s where they choose to be. staying means assurance that there a big and influential management company to back up and maintain popularity. Getting out means a life of uncertainties and uphill battles. but what’s been said….For JYJ, they may live a life of “regrets” if they wont follow what their hearts desire. We can see from how they speak and from the songs they composed how our dear boys have become MAN arriving and making such life changing decision. Even when there are issues, the way JYJ tweets sort of to put things in order is proof that they have matured and can take responsibilities for their own words and actions. If there are parental influence as others are claiming, so be it..in a way its good influence, better parents have the greatest influence on them than “fake” father figures. There’s no expiration to being there for the children so parental influence will be forever. It will be such a pity if Soo Man will have greater influence than the parents…that’s a sad fate:(
When JYJ are with each other, we can never doubt the bond. When they smiled and make fun of each other…it’s just sooo comforting how happy they are together, despite the cases in court, the barring of appearances, they have joy in their hearts being free. They decided to leave SM, no one should claim they love JYJ while wishing same time that they go back there just for the 5 to reunite. That’s plain selfish and opposite of the path JYJ is beginning to take. happy that inspite of limited opportunities JYJ has proven their worst as artists. so i hope some stop pulling JYJ back when they are already moving forward.
@nina
” better parents have the greatest influence on them than “fake” father figures. There’s no expiration to being there for the children so parental influence will be forever. It will be such a pity if Soo Man will have greater influence than the parents…that’s a sad fate:(”
What you said above is such an alien concept to what we know here in the west, although I think I’m fluent enough in Asian cultures to know that for you, this is absolutely the norm, how children are raised there and consequently, how most well-raised children feel.
But here is the danger: often parents don’t in fact know what is “best” for their children. They may be too conservative, they may be products of an earlier age when businesses acted more honorably, they may be conflicted because of deeply personal failings. I think Changmin may just turn out to be the poster-boy for the fact that often, parents fail grievously in advising their children, to those poor soul’s everlasting regret, anger and torment. Because what, for instance is CM supposed to do now?? Hate his father forever?? Accuse him of ruining his life?? In a very real way, that may turn out to be exactly what has happened to him.
In the west, children are encouraged to choose for themselves, to have their own inner compass, to do what feels right for them. What JYJ has done was indelibly western in its innermost philosophy. They were thinking globally before they ever left home. 🙂 I applaud their decision. Remember, they have parents too, but their elders obviously said to them, “If you think this is the right thing to do, I’m behind you all the way. ” How wonderful.
some parenting and family in Asian are like that. but not all family are like that. for example, i consider my family as traditionally inclined and my parents are very strict. but my parents give complete freedom for me and my siblings to do with our future and in any decision that need to be made. They were there for advice and support but what i decide to do with my life is definitely my choice. Yes I asked for my parents blessings but the decision is mine to decide. It varies I guess from one family to another. I think SoKorea is more traditional and conventional compare to my country.
@9mmleftshinki
Hi– I always love reading your comments so much. 🙂 Of course things are changing, they must. It is the way of things and of human cultural evolution. I kind of hesitated even writing what I wrote at first because I do not really approve of making generalizations based on nationality–it always seems like it’s just going to be wrong because there are always going to be exceptions, and exceptional circumstances. But in the case of the pitiable CM, this particular sort of Korean tradition to never gainsay your parent seems to have done him in. Actually, I hope I’m wrong about him. I hope he goes on to arrange a life for himself where he is fulfilled and happy.
@Lilibaiyu,
“In the west, children are encouraged to choose for themselves, to have their own inner compass, to do what feels right for them. What JYJ has done was indelibly western in its innermost philosophy. They were thinking globally before they ever left home. I applaud their decision. Remember, they have parents too, but their elders obviously said to them, “If you think this is the right thing to do, I’m behind you all the way. ” How wonderful.”
I agree with you, and I think this also sheds light on some important observations we can make regarding the cultural issues involved.
During the few months after they broke free from SM many people found it easy to label them as traitors simply because “disobedience” is very much frowned upon in any Asian society. Many people did not understand what JYJ were trying to do, which I agree, essentially embodies a very Western principle- that of finding one’s self regardless of the obstacles involved. It’s just that the process of them finding their own voices and seeking their own paths had to entail that they “disobey” their figurativ parent (SooMan).
Second, this whole idea of “obedience” is also very much ingrained in their society, which focuses on the Confucian values of harmony and order. Thus, breaking free from SM was viewed as disturbing the peace or disrupting harmony within the ranks. Again, another very specific Korean ideal that JYJ supposedly violated. With this in mind, we can even surmise that this is what the two other guys valued too as they chose to stay in SM (I remember CM’s proclamation that they were not the ones who disturbed society). When SM labelled JYJ as greedy, many people found it easy to swallow this excuse since they cannot think of any good reason why good sons choose to disrupt order. However, as we all know JYJ was gunning for that Western ideal of being true “to thine own self.” If there was no court judgment on the whoel Crebeau incident, we all know that JYJ will still be labelled as greedy to this very day.
Finally, the reason why JYJ are fast gaining popularity in the West (and Asians with Western ideals) is because their story resonates with the core principles upheld by the west: freedom, individuality, and creativity.
By going against the norm and striving to tread the unknown path despite the ostracism they know they will receive (and continue to receive), these are what made JYJ truly daring. Exactly the reason why I got hooked in the very beginning (sorry this got so long) 🙂
“By going against the norm and striving to tread the unknown path despite the ostracism they know they will receive (and continue to receive), these are what made JYJ truly daring. Exactly the reason why I got hooked in the very beginning”
THIS….
this made me like a hooked follower of a true-to -life tv drama, or just like reading a very thick pocket book..
JYJ’s STORY…
@ Jan
Also,
People have to be careful when explaining two groups and their actions based on cultural differences especially when you think one group’s choice was better and you rain praises and the other side’s action as negative and needs pity. It can easily come off as saying that one culture is superior than the other. Its dredging on a fuzzy line that is open to misinterpretations. When you’re trying to explain people’s action based on culture you’ve to come from a neutral point of view ( not including in your statements that this side will be ruined because he choose to be filial son) so that someone’s opinion isn’t open to that misinterpretation.
Thank you for the clarification @Vini, I understand where you are coming from, BUT I trust the people in this blog are able to discern and make those judgments for themselves. Besides, it does not matter whether we agree, disagree, or agree to disagree, what is important is that each of us are given equal space in this site to share ideas and opinions about things that matter to the fandom 🙂 We enjoy free discussions like this here at jyj3, otherwise, we might as well just visit those other kpop sites 🙂
@kris, you and I both 🙂
@Jan
“this whole idea of “obedience” is also very much ingrained in their society, which focuses on the Confucian values of harmony and order. Thus, breaking free from SM was viewed as disturbing the peace or disrupting harmony within the ranks. ”
Oh, thank you so much for your comments, I loved reading your whole post. And what a coincidence: JYJ’s remarkably brave and self-confident move to break out and pursue their artistic choices with true freedom is also what got me interested in following their career path more closely, although I always enjoyed their music, first as 5 now as 3, which to my mind represents the massive appeal, raw talent and smarts of the original group in its most concentrated form possible.
I highlighted your quote above only to say that for my part, I wholeheartedly pray that JYJ’s stunning departure “disturbs the peace and thoroughly disrupts the harmony within the ranks” of SM now and forever after, until the whole corrupt enterprise collapses, never to rise again.
We have to be careful when dredging cultural differences and not making it seem that the Western culture/ideology is superior or better than the Asian culture or making generalizations. The factors you’ve listed may not be necessarily wrong. Sometimes that can save a child’s life/future but it can also destroy them. We can’t speculate on those issues until you’ve seen the outcome because they’re relative and not absolute. Fact we don’t know what really happened, Changmin thinks or feels apart from speculations neither do we know how his future will turn out; therefore saying that his parents might have destroyed his life is too much when we don’t know the end result or his own thoughts on it.
Personally, I think its wrong for people to pass judgements on their parents( both sides) when we know nothing about them apart from rumours. Out of due respect parents should be off limits.
@Vini,
Hey! 🙂 I wasn’t making a cultural judgment nor was I saying that Western principles are superior over Asian ones (I am actually an Asian myself). That would be far too simplistic a view of the whole issue being discussed. What I tried to point out was that such factors may have played certain roles in the decisions made by those who are involved in the issue- why JYJ was labeled as greedy traitors, why the other two chose to stay, and how segments of the fandom reacted in response to these factors. I am an Asian but educated in Western ideals I cannot help but sympathize with such ideas, which is why what JYJ did struck a chord in my heart. This is different from saying that East < West. 🙂
@ Jan
Sorry the comment was for Lilibaiyu
My point is that the issue is relative; it may have a positive or negative outcome so am uncomfortable with the notion that just because you choose to go with your parents wishes or keep with the ideals of your society that its wrong. Each situation has a different outcome and unless we know the final outcome its too brush to make such strong judgements that his parents ruined his life. Am just uncomfortable with that.
@vini
“We have to be careful when dredging cultural differences and not making it seem that the Western culture/ideology is superior or better than the Asian culture or making generalizations. The factors you’ve listed may not be necessarily wrong. ”
Well, as I said in a later post (and honestly I wish I’d thought to include it in my original post because making generalities is always a dodge-y business and the ground there should be trod upon carefully) these were my conclusions based on quite a bit of experience studying the culture. Of course, I would never say western culture is “superior” to Asian culture in any way! Also, as I said before, there are exceptions to all generalities (except maybe that one. lol) So yes, I agree that often a parent’s will on the direction their children’s lives take is a wise one. As far as never making assumptions and speaking only about things one has first hand knowledge of, I would say this: the JYJ3 list is a forum for reasonable discourse on a variety of topics. Speaking for myself, I will always try to be respectful of others and regarding CM’s parents in particular, I certainly meant no disrespect to them personally. However to say that I must not feel free to speculate on a topic where certain things appear to me to have occurred would quite literally shut down one of the things I find so stimulating and valuable about JYJ3–each ladies’ invariably intelligent take on various occurrences having to do with JYJ. When done in the spirit of reasonable discourse, not the shouting, swearing stupidity found on certain forums elsewhere, I feel that it is an important factor in why this is such a great place to come and share our thoughts and views for so many of us. I wouldn’t change the ground rules as I have found them to be in any way. So, yes, generalities are a dangerous business, yes, I will continue to try to speak respectfully about family members, and no, I will not be limiting my comments to what I absolutely know for a fact.
But hey– two out of three aint bad…
🙂
@lilibaiyu
“But here is the danger: often parents don’t in fact know what is “best” for their children. They may be too conservative, they may be products of an earlier age when businesses acted more honorably, they may be conflicted because of deeply personal failings. ”
I totally agree to this! I experienced deeply myself the conflicts of Asian and Western educating culture and struggled through a dark period of time where I felt like the world was coming to an end on me~ That’s why I feel so sad for CM, coz he’s obviously struggling just as I did~ He lashes out and can’t seem to control himself on showing how hurt he’s feeling~~ It’s just too sad for words…..
Another thing I would like to add is, parents who are too well-educated can also pose a problem to their children~ In a way, they think that everything they do and think is correct and expect the kids to follow .. Whatever perspective that is not in-tune with their thinking, they reject and refuse to support the child~ On the other hand, parents who are not too well-educated often have worlds of mental support for their children, and this would make a vast difference on how the children will turn out~~ Just look at Jaejoongie, his parents may not be too well-educated, but in the end, the child turned out so fine the whole world loves him~~
@htwong – “Just look at Jaejoongie, his parents may not be too well-educated, but in the end, the child turned out so fine the whole world loves him~~”
JaeJoong has had so many …I guess I’ll call them opportunites…for character building. Many people would have fallen-away in life based on the circumstances he was handed…but look at him NOW. He’s a testiment to what (I think) a deeply good person can accomplish. ❤
p.s. I’m sorry for you own struggles, I hope you’ve found some peace. (hug)
*your own struggles ….need.edit. button. heehee
Htwong, if I not mistaken jj real mother is a professor in one of Korean university. I not really know about jj adopted parents, they are in business…he has a loving sister, big loving family..all girls…and that build his soft hearted.
back in JJ’s hometown, his parents owned a local restuarants where it has only 3-5 tables in the house. The menus were of local style, very local/simple style if you get the drift..yeah, that’s how they were in business -_-
I don’t know what they do now or what pop works in general…
@htwong
“Another thing I would like to add is, parents who are too well-educated can also pose a problem to their children~ In a way, they think that everything they do and think is correct and expect the kids to follow .. Whatever perspective that is not in-tune with their thinking, they reject and refuse to support the child~ ”
I come from a whole family of doctors (doctorate doctors, not medical doctors.) I am far and away the least educated one. I was told repeatedly growing up that my brother and sister were geniuses. All I’m saying is that looking at the lives they’ve led: these people did some of the dumbest things imaginable! Just no common sense at all. Not particularly happy either. So, I hear you. And I love what sally_b said about Jaejoongie (OK, it’s official–I’m callin’ him Jaejoongie from now on!) Nobody should have the hand he was dealt as a child. And look at him now. The man is, in every sense of the word, extraordinary. He ~IS~ a prince and no one can tell me different.
@Myrosses,
JJ’s real mother did not participated in the important growing years of his youth… so however highly educated she is, I think it didn’t really had much significance in the formation of JJ’s character~~ Her appearance only accentuated the fact that JJ grew up in a large, strict but loving family who gives him enough doses of support that created an angelic heart of gold, well loved by almost everyone~~
@coffee craze
Based on every TVXQ stuff I’ve randomly seen over the past 7 years, I think JJ’s huge adopted family used to lead a slightly adequate life, not too bad, not too good~~ And I think they were not very well-educated, as compared to a teacher and civil servant in the other two cases~~ I personally felt that they are people who believe in doing their best in any given situation, living the present to its fullest and leave the rest to fate or God~~ Usually simpler people comes up with surprisingly good wisdom, and I guess that was how Jaejoongie turned out~ of course, plus the fact the family is huge and loving…
@lilibaiyu
Wow, you must have felt very pressured growing up with prodigal brothers and sisters~~ In the end, I’m so glad you turned out the way you are, or we wouldn’t be able to enjoy your insightful comments here at all…. hehehe ….. *hugs*
I guess academic and career achievements are important, in order to survive in our current society, but happiness is equally as important, for us to keep our mental health intact~ hehe…. Peace!!
I would like to speak up for Homin,esp Changmin although i m jyj biased. In korea teachers and lecturers are of high respected status and cm’s father is one. Can you imagine what would happen to CM’s father and his family if he were to sue sme? His’s father’s reputation would be ruined and his whole family would be affected (might include his extended familes due to korea’s cultural values). Don’t forget CM’s 2 younger sisters are still in school and his parents need to support the family. CM and his parents must ve taken into consideration : what would happen to his younger sisters if both his parents and cm’s career are ruined? who’s going to support them through the university and their daily expenses? In life, there’s always cases where you can’t make that decision even though u know that decision is good.
yunho’s father is also a civil worker and has his concerns. JYJ’s families are businessmen so they don’t ve such worries.
jaejoong has a whole family (both adopt and real) to take care, YC has his mother and younger brother. sorry but i dont agree with you, my english not allow me to discuss more about this, but if we talk about career ruined would affected the boys family. CM IS NOT the one who have it worse.
the reputation will ruin ,when you let your son step out and tell the truth ?
you’re saying you ‘re JYJ bias,do you still remeber the song ” SONG WITHOUT A NAME”-Yoochun wrote it down…” the statement of accounts we received said we were at a deficit
I thought I had seen the figures wrong so I checked again
Everything was listed under expenses
Damn it, how could all that money have gone towards paying expenses.
What kind of expenses were there to make that much money vanish?…”
So…,tell me ,where is the money for CM “TO SUPPORT THE FAMILY..?”
And you said :”JYJ ‘s family are businessmen so they don’t have to worries …”
Are you sure you are JYJ BIAS?You have to check back about the time the 5’re still together, who family already in bussiness….
you are not HM,or HM parent’s ,so you can not say anything about what really behind the scence,just let the time do the answer…We will wait and see…
You trying to make HM ‘ve got their good reason ,now…
@Jas,please ,don’t try to protect HM with the things you’re not so sure,and nobody can tell what’s really going on ….
@Jan
I agree with u on the family honour part~ It’s a very complex thingy to explain in brief words~
Even though it may not be the right thing to do sometimes, it’s unavoidably one of the aspects Asian people will think about most, especially parents with a rather traditional background…
Sorry, I mean this is for @Jas~~ typo…
I think it’s not about whose family will be ruin monetarily, it’s more about family honour, in CM & YH’s choice~~ It won’t become a career ruin, however the choice is made….. the world works in a mysterious way where when u kill or end something, opportunities appear somewhere else, and usually it’s for the better… In Homin’s case, I believe it’s more about consideration for family honour and respect for the hand that feeds you (so to speak, if you discount all the abuse and exploitation~), and of course Homin’s own personalities which put their responsibility and filial piety first place before personal satisfaction and happiness….
made a typo there ..should read “worth as artists”
This makes me even happier that JYJ stood up for themselves. I’m so proud of these guys. To me the JYJ Fam pawns SM Town. I’m PROUD to be a JYJ supporter. There’s REAL love and support in this house!
Welcome to you, Jacinta!
🙂
welcome ^____^
people need to realize that busy schedules doesnt equal to no-time-to-breathe schedules. Yes pack schedules mean high demand, but this crazy pack schedules can also mean a form of bullying, as well means the artist just have take whatever people give them to do, never have the right to refuse.
Honestly, Asian music market are so far behind compare to the west. Radiohead absent from music scene for like 7years before they release In The Rainbow and 3 years to prepare Kings of Limbs. With every release the number is beyond what Kpop land ever imagine of. But to compare Radiohead to idol music in Kpop land would be an insult to Radiohead. Well my point in, if the group is famous, no matter how many days the break they take fans will always support them. Well glutton is one thing, heartless is another I guess.
Hey Shinki – ♥ absolutely agree that a packed schedule does not mean a *death schedule* ~ and for-freak’s-sake…fan-bases CAN wait for their artists to relax & recharge.
But this is NOT the current business model for Korean music which is so densely saturated with idols right now it’s boggling. And there’s no sign of it stopping any time soon. The number of debutees every MONTH (wow) is adding to the already choking industry…I’d imagine that’s why all the companies keep pitching their artists over to Japan. I can’t help but think they’re going to wear out the welcome and thus make it impossible for any REALLY Good groups to inch their way into the Oricon.
THEN…if you add in the practice of pitching Korean singers to the curb once they enter their 30’s….it becomes this crazy race to throttle as much money of of successful acts as is possible. A decade from now, I may only still care about what’s happening with JYJ careerwise – the idols of the Kpop factories will have little impact or interest in my life – I’m sad for them that their middle age years may leave them with only regrets ~.
“But this is NOT the current business model for Korean music which is so densely saturated with idols right now it’s boggling.”
Because of that, talented people like guitar prodigy like Sungha Jung never had his place and attention. The way I see it Kpop and its consumers were buying merely image and goods rather than appreciation of music and talent. How long will it takes to make the whole industry lost its footing and eventually fade…i wonder.
I freaking love that kid. Did you see his cover of Hotel California? Awesome!!!!
Agree with you…
I’m a beyonce fan… That girl is AWESOME!!! *and Junsu likes her too ^^*…. She hasn’t come up with an album for almost 2 years… But heeeyyy!!!! I would most definitely buy her album the next time she release one… and I’m sure she’s gonna have some award for it…
Why?
because I know I would get one GREAT album that she creates… I could hear HER music… Not her company’s music…
That’s what lacking in Kpop… Creativity of the artists….
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Its funny how in Kpop, the fans was like SME is great, YG is awesome, JYP rocks, Cube Ent is cool ….. where in elsewhere we never heard stuff like yay Sony Music, Warner Music, EMI etc …. its actually insanity how the fans was idolizing the company as much they idolizes their oppa and unnirs. This actually need a research study …… What’s up with this ideology????
LOL!!! totally!!! maybe because the company that produce and wrote all their songs…
i mean for hallyu wave,what they got is only looks,body,some fake personality maybe…when u ask them to sing and write a songs…i doubt that they can do that..maybe only some exceptional person like GD from big bang….
the reason that dbsk was different (at least for me) is that they REALLY can sing and they performance during live even better than their recording…plus some bonus additional point is they’re super good looking,funny and humble personality…and amazingly they actually can write songs….they just talented!!so during my crazy time about them,i would never mention SME is great or anything….coz DBSK is just great as it is..
but now,it’s different… i can’t praised halyu stars for example snsd,that they’re great…No!! because i can’t lie to myself that their sucks during live..but i must admit their genie and run devil run songs is too catchy to be missed…
so yeah.kudos to SME,YG,JYP “song writers” << emphasized on the song writers,not the management….
That is horrible. How could SM work them so hard? :(((((
When the news first broke out about dbsk disbanding, some people were saying that jyj’s leaving because of “MONEY” Because they want more money. But I knew that wasn’t the thing. I trust them and theyre so innocent. Although I’ve never met them personally, I just get this feeling that they’re good people and they’re telling the truth. Of course it wasn’t for the moneyy.. this is totally abuse. I’m even tired from going to school everyday and that’s just sitting down most of the time; but dbsk had to continuously work, dance, sing, I can imagine how tired they were T__T it breaks my heart. But they still worked so hard even though they were tired. I wouldn’t have even been able to do that for even a week. They’re so hardworking 🙂 I’m so happy they decided to leave SM. They raised awareness of ‘slave contracts’ and now that they go to more countries and states. SMent only goes to CA but JYJ came to NY and I got to see them<33 If only Yunho and Changmin agreed to leave together it would have been better. But I'm proud of JYJJJJ~ love themmmmm forever!
the industry is built on a model of exploitation… and the way SME runs its business makes that very clear…
When there was the DBSK5 I adored the five, but now I have eyes only for JYJ, some of you I have mixed feelings, I am a mature person, maybe because of my age, it may be the mother of many of you, so the hormones do not rule me. In my very modest opinion, CH and YH, took the worst decision to their careers and in this life, what you planting your crops, yes, they’re famous for a moment, but gradually they will go down now, and when they will not serve to SM. The company then relegated to a corner;
The evidence: the concerts that has done this company, they are not the main attraction, now a pseudo girls singers are the highlight of the company, is laughable, when they have better quality,. So as a follower in his time of DBSK, both CH and YH only cause me shame for not having thought a little more with the heart and surrendering to the pressures of others, to fear and lack of confidence in their value. For that and other things, I LOVE ONLY JYJ.
@Mónica – re: ” …they are not the main attraction, now a pseudo girls singers are the highlight of the company, is laughable, when they have better quality…”
The Grace. They have FANTASTIC voices…the kind I would support…I would even consider actually *buying* music from SM if they were to return to THAT kind of artist – but they’ve been abandoned…and it stuns me that HoMin couldn’t fore-see what happens among their co-workers will also happen to them – when SM is through with them. You are correct…they have TALENT on their staff list, they just choose to promote what rakes in money, and I guess that’s what companies do, but I hope The Grace’s contracts end and we get to see them again under a supportive banner.
Second that, THE GRACE!! They are like the most talented girl group I’ve come across and it’s just sooooo sad they ended up no where~~ = =
@Monica
I’m right with you! 🙂
I understand why people are upset about them being over worked etc. but you guys seriously need to stop. If they weren’t over worked like this we wouldn’t have gotten some great music, laughs while watching them as guests on shows, etc. Yeah it really sucks that they were overworked but that’s their job. WORK. ( I know lines were crossed with the whole human rights thing but that’s the way SME and the KPOP industry in general has ALWAYS been (H.O.T for ex.)). That’s the way it supposed to be (not just to make money but to please the fans) and personally I’m proud of them for giving it this much for us ,THE FANS. Even if it is just work for them, I’d like to think they beard all of this because they love their fans and not because they were under contract/ it was their job/ to make (SM) some money.
I’m glad JYJ isn’t being over worked as much as they use to (although I think they’re doing it by choice now) and as for HoMin, I will (for now) respect their decision for staying because I’m not them (and they’re much more tight lipped about everything). I’m pretty sure they’re (HoMin) are going through the best times right now and they don’t need another “basher”, “anti”, etc. b/c that just adds to the cluster fuck that this “situation” is.
*I meant bared
That’s the way it supposed to be
That is utter crap.
An entertainer does not have to work to exhaustion in order to please fans, that’s exactly NOT how it’s supposed to be. It’s supposed to be a situation of mutual appreciation — the fans are grateful that the performers are sharing their gifts and the performers are grateful that someone wants to witness the performance. There is no sense of obligation other than for the performer to put their best into the performance. They do NOT have to entertain you on demand. That is the real evil that SME and their like have propagated — the idea that artists/entertainers exist to fulfill the whims of the “fans.”
I love you babe!!!
Utter crap alright!!!
Someone’s still trying to justify the bullies eh?!!!
@sanrio are you seriously saying that? so you are proud when Sunny attended to hospital due to exhaustion and then within hour she’s on stage smiling, and dancing, apologizing to the fans for the inconveniences while in plain view you can see bandage on her wrist … She was exhausted and she’s apologizing for falling sick just to satisfy her fans and you proud with that manner.
Im not a fan of course I dont understand you. But if my JJ or Junsu or Yuuchun do the same thing as Sunny did I wont be mad, i will pissed off. I will beg them to leave the stage and rest. Missing one gig is better than shortening their life. Their health is my utmost concern. Who give a damn bout the WORK when the person can collapse any seconds on seconds.
And I view this artists yes including SNSD as human beings not a products of admiration.
*I will be mad, i will pissed off*
*any seconds on stage*
I agree with @9mmleftshinki. I would be mad and it really happened during mirotic time. When i saw the fancam where yc was coughing badly and junsu looked worried, i couldn’t help but feel sad for him. When i found out that yc was hospitalised during this period due to his busy schedule i couldn’t stop blaming and hating sme.
@sanrio – “I understand why people are upset about them being over worked etc. but you guys seriously need to stop.”
I apologize to my fellow forum mates…but I found your comments so ludicrous I can’t reply in a civil manner. So I’m going to let my less hot-headed companions do the talking. —-►ಠ_ಠ# stank eye
Haha^^
I would have type a dozen &$&#£{^%{€} if not for the fact that I’m using my phone and it’s freaking hard to do it!!
well, it’s probably fine if they over worked like that but the thing is, they don’t get paid of the hardwork they have put through, that’s the PROBLEM. they deserve to earn of how many they have overworked for. even though, it’s logical that a company wants to earn more, but they really have to balance the income. don’t make the artists feel unfair. that’s my opinion~
”I’d like to think they beard all of this because they love their fans and not because they were under contract/ it was their job/ to make (SM) some money.”
Yeah, I’d like to think so too.
Unfortunately I’ve read the contract terms for TVXQ. I’m know they love their fans but I think that a big reason why they had to put up with the crazy schedule is because they had to pay a hefty penalty if they cancelled events – which SM unilaterally scheduled without any consideration for their health apparently. And even that would be kind of okay if they were getting their fair share money wise but they were being screwed financially too. And they weren’t allowed any artistic freedom either.
So they were ruining their health, wasting talent, with no good prospects after military service unless Sooman decided to let them become board members (Not sure how much @ss kissing involved and I doubt Sooman is going to let all his idols become board members).
I know someone who used to be a model in Korea and she has severe health problems which she believes were caused by the tough schedule and radical diet forced on her. I’m sure that SNSD are going through worse.
I don’t believe in bashing and hating either but the only way that companies like SM are going to change is when fans start taking a more than superficial interest in the artists well being.
HM going through the best time now?!!!!
ROTFL!!!
Little girl, are you living under the rock or something?
Can’t believe it!
¡ROFLMAO!
TBH, it’s people like YOU who justify all that sort of BS and those companies thrive on that blind and selfish thinking!!
You = @Sanrio
@Sanrio ,What Are You Talking About ,dear?Are you for real?you ‘re just a visitor ,right?If you’re a member of this JYJ FAMILY,You knew why we were getting together ,why we’re choosing to Stay with JYJ ,and we believe in our JYJ,believe in what they’re fighting for…But if you’re saying like that ,you’re really really not knowing anything at all,you ‘re talking just like a person who have some money go to the bakery or the market and asking for the best cake of the store or the best fish of the sea…You don’t even care in that bakery or that market ,the baker man already hurt his hand or the fisherman didn’t come back from the sea,yesterday…Don’t even say anything like “that’s their job”,if you’re still have a heart ,and you’re a human not an alien…..
” They don’t get paid of the hardwork they have put through, that’s the PROBLEM. they deserve to earn of how many they have overworked for. even though, it’s logical that a company wants to earn more, but they really have to balance the income. don’t make the artists feel unfair. “,one of our sister already said it out ,that is the fact,the truth ..why you couldn’t see it?
You’ve gotta be kidding me…
Seriously, this probably the theme from ppl who either haven’t worked to understand how it’s like seeing their own hard work being stripped shamelessly or ppl who….I can’t think of other types of ppl who can come to this …
Do you think why we have a international/local laws to protect workers/labours in the first place? Because then the owners cannot take an advantages of workers just like what we saw in SM practices…Jesus, laws even protect workers from getting mental/emotional stresses…They can at least get a fair amount of vacation..time to breath…time to grow..time to appreciate friends and families…time to appreciate arts outside their work -_-
and you just contradict yourself here..
“Yeah it really sucks that they were overworked but that’s their job. WORK. ( I know lines were crossed with the whole human rights thing but that’s the way SME and the KPOP industry in general has ALWAYS been (H.O.T for ex.)). That’s the way it supposed to be..”
then
“Even if it is just work for them, I’d like to think they beard all of this because they love their fans and not because they were under contract/ it was their job/ to make (SM) some money.”
and who says “That’s the way it supposed to be..” …This is definitely not the way it should be…
and yeah, go on believe that HM are going through the best time, ‘cos I wouldn’t know or care anyway…
@sally_b
*Hugs back*
Thanks for your support, I made it through and decided that my happiness was for my own keeping~~ Hahaha~~
That’s why I soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo support JYJ~~~ They gave me so much courage!!
@htwong – Hurrah! so glad to read that ~ ❤
p.s. JYJ give me a Happy Boost everyday….I don’t think I’ve ever felt that way about any other musical artist. They just bring….joy.
Yeap~~ I’m like 24/7 on JYJ3 just for my doses of JYJ~~ every little small thing here cheers me up!~
I used to follow DB5K’s music, but I’ve never fan them as I FAN JYJ now~ When JYJ decided to do something for their freedom and happiness, BOOM!!!! My heart just burst with admiration and love and I absolutely FAN them from then on~~ And they’ve proven time and again that they ARE worth all the love we can give!~ Yoohoo!!
I only can say I agreed JYJ’s choice (leave SM) what they chosen was correct !!!!
Now , they still working hard & very busy for their Ideal life but it’s worth for them !!!!
May be it’s not easy but they can feel the Satisfaction on walking through their road ….. they can get back the incomes & good reactions which belong to themselves !!
We all can see these feedback & they still got so many supporting from their fans & so many people in the same field of music & musical agreed their Outstanding performance .
I’m so proud of JYJ and I will keep on support the boys until the end .
Love JYJ forever …………
V@_^V
when I first found out about their crazy schedule, I feel guilty for enjoying their photobook, DVDs, laughing when I watch their appearance on a variety show, spazzing when they appear in music program,
because I realized behind those things they work their ass off and get nothing in return in the term of money…
and I feel my hearts hurts
I can never get tired saying this:
I’m so glad that JYJ is out of that HELL now
haha..i can feel that..but hey,i believe behind those bitter times..they’re is also sweet times…
actually i think only after mirotic times they din get pay well…(or finally realized…)
somehow after mirotic time i can feel that they doing they’re job unwillingly…they din looks as happy as before…u can see that during 2007-2008 (JJ blonde era) all they’re interview or tv show was so hype and funny…but after mirotic time, they no longer as funny as before….and they looks damn tired…=(
@sanrio RE: Thanks to justify my comment about hormones, think and analyze a little about what was going to discussto avoide absurd comments. So what you’re happy about the excessive work of your idols to keep you satisfied? And what the HOMIN is in a better time than when it was part of DBSK? Thanks for the joke.
i think they need to display 2vxq’s schedules too, since they’re CRAZILY appearing in every variety and music show since their promotion… well, it’s a bit scary… btw, this kind of thing makes me wonder whether that’s how things work in kpop… packed schedules, no sleep for artists… i’ve never heard about tvxq’s schedule in a day before, but even a rookie (well, in their rookie days) like t-ara have a packed schedule from 6am-3am and now i’m even more concerned about running man’s members (haha i know this is so random).
sure thing, jyj choose the best by leaving sm, but it doesn’t mean for them to slack off. they’re even more hardworking than they’ve been before now, experiencing different jobs beside singer and so on…
n now snsd look like a zombie~ imagine tvxq back then~