We Are Still TVXQ… Do Not Want the Expression “Former-Member”
JYJ is known to have separated from TVXQ but they are still TVXQ. JYJ has meaning when inside of TVXQ. It’s as if TVXQ is an incomplete group without JYJ.
Jaejoong: “Time has passed and now we are referred to as JYJ and TVXQ, but that we have our group name as the initials of the members means that we work as JYJ in TVXQ. We do not have any intention to get out from the shadow of TVXQ. Because we are still TVXQ, I do not want the expression of TVXQ’s former member either.”
(T/N: A literal conversion of the language would read “we do not have any thoughts to get out…” and that “I hate the expression of TVXQ’s former member” but they not the best translation because in this context those words are used in their secondary senses. For instance, Koreans may say 보고싶다 that converts literally to “I want to see X” but actually resembles more closely in meaning to “I miss X.” This is a similar instance.)
Source: Focus Shinmun
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ohhoooooo! they’re gonna be taken out of context again by delusional fans…
I KNOW~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And troll, hater, etc ..can’t help isn’t it..just igonore coz they always there.
They can’t stop this guy to say what he wanted to say ^^ and if they ask why JYJ always speak about TVXQ in twitter,articel, etc..when they are even not in TVXQ anymore….people..Jaejoong already answered..
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Moving onto the topic of conversing with his fans through Twitter, the reporter mentioned that he was direct in expressing himself, much to the point where it was easy for misinterpretations to arise.
Jaejoong didn’t seem to care, though. He explained, “I say what I need to say. I know that it may garner a negative response, but I don’t think it’s wrong. I’m not writing a personal opinion, but a feeling that I think is felt by others, by everyone…”
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Thank you to everyone who helps translate these articles for JYJ fans ^_^ And thank you to JYJ3 staff for all their hard work in updating and posting. <3<3 JYJ3 FIGHTING!
jaeeee :’)
i love tvxq5 but i love JYJ more
yeah, me too
tvxq getting back together would be nice… but as long as there is jyj, i will be content
Agree with you girls…
Everytime they can be together again as tvxq5 as long as not under that “SoMeone” anymore……
And I love JYJ more too ^^
same here.. as i said before their happiness is my priority
COUNT ME IN
me too!!! i love JYJ more!!! but i love JJ the most!!! kekeke…
even jaejoong says it himself… dbsk will always be five! and just yesterday, yunho said that cassiopeia is the sixth member of dbsk! oh gosh, i’m feeling happy now xD DB5K FTW!!!
LOL
If i’m not mistaken, yunho said cassiopeia also member of DBSK..not sixth member. correct me if i’m wrong^^
Actually that statement was never confirmed by more than one person,you can google it.
Omg, I heard of that too! ^^ Some fans heard “6th member” while others just heard “another member”
thank you for the translations. i really appreciate those who take the time and efforts to translate them too.
:’) I know how u feel jae 😀
I will support 3 of you even if you guys back as 5 😀 tvxq5 jjang 😀
Well I know I will get bricked but I don’t care :p
JYJ Fighting <33333333
I'm JYJ's Fan and I have never said JYJ not From TVXQ so got it OT5 ?
I love them as JYJ Now !!!
and now OT5 still bash JYJ Fans
Keep trolling Jaejoong I LOVE YOU SFM for this. 8D. I wonder why this article has little comments…. XDDDDD
Yes, I hope Jaejoong will troll more, especially those haters, ignorant and delusional people out there ! Why? are worried if Jae’s trolling is very effective?
it’s not impossible…they will back as DB5K then… 🙂
agree!..just keep the faith and keep praying..so far, God never let me down….^^
and i know that JYJ misses HoMin and i guess the same thing happened to HoMin..10 years of friendships..it’s ridiculous if said that they are not missing and the feeling of wanting to see each other is gone..JYJ+HoMin=DB5K fighting!
as long as there is kim jaejoong, kim junsu and park yoochun i will support them no matter what
yeaah me too ^________^
JYJ Fighting
I’m a BIG DBSK5 fanboy, up to now I listened to their old CDs and I’m of those eager fans that wishes them to be reunited again….. BUT not before JYJ kick some SME butts ( we can include KBS as well).
I’ve said before in one of the GAP… JYJ is capable of winning a Grammy Award if only they can produce a strong English album. Heck, Justin Beiber can win a Grammy, why not JYJ which are way way way way way way more talented.
“Heck, Justin Beiber can win a Grammy”
OMFG that made me laugh SOOOOOO hard! ANd Hellz yeah JYJ is better than Beiber!
the question is… do the other two members consider the three as members still? i guess that’s where Yoochun’s famous phrase comes in for many DBSK fans: always keep the faith. i’ll keep the faith that even the two members still consider the three as part of dbsk.
ive been a fan since the beginning so it’s so confusing for me where my loyalty lies. and the truth is… im a jaejoong fan. so i guess where Jae goes, (i go. hence i support JYJ. sorry if that sounds bad as a JYJer.) as a dongbang fan, i always say my member ranking is this: 1)Jaejoong 2)SuChunMinHo [in the order of their standing formation]. (this was my fear as a dbfan: that the members will be divided and the fans as well. T_T)
but im real glad that the three are comfortable talking about their issues and their members from tvxq.
Hey, I love your comment. Like you, my bias is JJ, and I’m a OT5 fan as well. And your question ‘do the other two members consider the three as members still?’ is the question of a million of fans, I think. But we have to remember that Homin are still under SM, & I don’t think they have the right to talk about JYJ in public (SUJU just talked about them not long ago) So we only have to keep the faith that their friendship is still as strong as before. Hell I want to see them again, if it’s not as a group, only as friends.
“But we have to remember that Homin are still under SM, & I don’t think they have the right to talk about JYJ in public”
Sorry, but they have talked about JYJ in their previous interviews. Sadly, they weren’t very nice comments. So I don’t believe that if you are under SM you are not allowed to talk about anything ‘taboo’.
Me too. I first got into Kpop and DBSK only cause of JJ, so for that reason, as you said, where Jae goes, I go. (Though I respect the work and the talent of the other members and love JYJ as a group of strong artists who’ve gone through BS times unfairly and risen above it all.)
JYJ constantly reachs out to Homin but sadly, these gestures of faith are never returned. Could be company pressure, we don’t know. All I know is it disappoints and upsets me and I can only imagine how it makes JYJ themselves feel : ( In all honesty, I no longer care about the 5 getting back together as a group, I think we’ve reached the point of no return on that score, But nothing would give me greater happiness than to see them talking again, as friends, as brothers.
Wha…? Sorry. My reply was meant for yuki-onna. Darned computer.
I have a question actually. Why did SJ member talk about JYJ or even sing their song lately? I’m bitter, I’d say publicity. Duh why now dude?
I know DBSK since 2008!! My one and only love is Jaejoong ♥_♥ I loved DBSK5, I even have a DBSK Tattoo!! But one interview has changed it all!!At the beginning of the fight (JYJ vs SM), when DBSK were 5, there was a show clip from Japan!! DBSK5 should sing in a big show in Japan, before that was an interview!! HoMin was standig at one side and JYJ at the other side!! HoMin was happy and talk and talk, ChunSu were quiet and looked normal, but the thing that has make me wild were Jaejoong´s eyes!!! I looked so hurt and sad, I was thinking that he would every moment beginn to cry T.T He looks so broken and it broken my heart too!!
From that moment I hated HoMin, because their were not there for Jaejoong, Xiah and Micky and they need HoMin!! Then in Korea after the Award ceremony (JYJ get it in the name of DBSK), JJ broke down and was crying in the restroom!!
So I don´t want DBSK5 back, because I couldn´t no more trust HoMin!! Yunho promised that he would fight for his members, and in the end he has do nothing!! As a fan I will never forgive HoMin for their betrayal!!
♥JYJ♥ fighting
♥Kim Jaejoong♥ fighting
really?? i am sorry i did mean anything..just wan to know more…how can you khow all this happen? do you have any vids? thank you!!
didn’t
I have watch the videos at YouTube!! I don´t know if they are still there, but I will look for you!!
God, how much I freaken hate that word “betrayal”. damn it. I was so freaken happy reading Jae’s quote and then I go and see comments like this.
So how would you name it, when not “betrayal”??
What’s done is done. HoMin has said defamatory things about JYJ on T.V. without JYJ even getting a chance to defend themselves. What do you call this?
The word ‘betrayal’ has been thrown back and forth for a long time now. Why can’t both sides (as in bias JYJ fans and bias HoMin fans) just let it go? Neither side betrayed the other and it sickens me how fans can go throwing that word around as if they were directly involved in the situation. We are still the outsiders here so stop assuming and stop accusing. Enjoy the music and stop the hating. You know, I was starting to like this place but these kind of comments make me realize just once again why I hate going on one sided sites. How can a fandom that was once so powerful and united turn out like this…
Betrayal as defined by Dictionary.com:
“to be unfaithful in guarding, maintaining, or fulfilling: to betray a trust.”
“to disappoint the hopes or expectations of; be disloyal to: to betray one’s friends.” Now what is it HoMin has done and said against JYJ again? How do you define betrayal?
i been a fan of DBSK fan too since 2008…Yes, i remember the vid too well!
i will never forget the hurt in Jae’s eyes..i was so angry and dissapointed in Homin!!
From dat day onwards i promise to suppport Jae, Chun and Junsu in every way
dat i can…
@Bông-chan I don’t get it… what can you see using your heart without any prejudice?
You can’t just watch one vid to generalized that they are sad.
Both groups have it’s own hardship, it’s more on how each member handle the situation… one group butcher’s the other, while the other group still reserves the place for the two. So tell me should I sympathize to those who stabs their friend but but look sad?
We can’t segmentalized each event to construe for our own selfish longing. We have to see the whole picture.
as clare says:
“c’mon do not just one video like this, showing the ‘good’ side only, not fair. what about the ‘bad’ side.”
because is not fair give someone just one piece of the whole puzzle.
oops I press the wrong reply…
What video is this? Can you please show me? I think I know what you are talking about but I want to be sure. I remember watching a video clip of them doing an interview after a performance and thinking that even during the performance, something was off. They looked strange and interacted strangely. JYJ looked hurt… Something wasn’t right
@Linda: How do you know they are happy? It’s not ur fault but what u say made me sad. HoMin… They’re always like that… smile and appear to be strong… Even when DBSK was 5, fans always think that they are stronger than JaeChunSu… “Oh, he’ll be OK, he is Yunho”… No, they’re not that strong. If you ever try to “know” him, you will see… you will see that teary eyes, that forced smiles, that emotionless face… which he’s trying to hide… For 2 years since I’ve become a DB5 fan, I just dont understand him, I can only see that he is a good leader, he cares for others… and nothing more. (I think I’m little JaeChun bias) but… Yunho is not that type… He smiles, it doesnt mean that he’s happy. No, for a long time, I dont see any real smile of him. If you ever try seeing, not with ur eyes but ur heart, without any prejudice, you will see…
My E is not so good, I dont hope u to understand them, I just wanna show you… There’s not always only one truth.
Can you find his smiles happy? Or will you say that he’s only tired? …
@Bông-chan: give me a video when they defame JYJ’s name on KYHD presscon. c’mon do not just one video like this, showing the ‘good’ side only, not fair. what about the ‘bad’ side.
Yes you have a point, he looks sad, but that makes the things he does or didn´t do not better!! Lets stop “fighting” I love JYJ and didn´t want them to be 5 again and that will not change, but I understand and respect our words!!!
@Clare: No, I think u didnt understand what i said. What’s matter with ‘good’ or ‘bad’ side? And what does ‘fair’ mean? It’s not a battle.
I didn’t give this video to prove anything like ‘true’ or ‘false’. In fact, it cant prove anything. It’s just a fancam of Yunho singing Balloons, it’s not ‘evidence’ like ‘HM defame JYJ’s name on KYHD press’.
Like what i said before “If you ever try seeing, not with ur eyes but ur heart, without any prejudice, you will see…”
Just re-posting – putting this on the right spot…
@Bông-chan I don’t get it… what can you see using your heart without any prejudice?
You can’t just watch one vid to generalized that they are sad.
Both groups have it’s own hardship, it’s more on how each member handle the situation… one group butcher’s the other, while the other group still reserves the place for the two. So tell me should I sympathize to those who stabs their friend but but look sad?
We can’t segmentalized each event to construe for our own selfish longing. We have to see the whole picture.
as clare says:
“c’mon do not just one video like this, showing the ‘good’ side only, not fair. what about the ‘bad’ side.”
because is not fair give someone just one piece of the whole puzzle.
Oh yes! i posted the same video in another post about JYJ and Homin.
I totally agree with you. Instead of saying who’s right and who wrong, I chose to keep supporting both parties no matter what. I will just love them blindly. I still remember how the song Mirotic got me to know and fall in love with these 5 men so much. I am glad that at least the five are still making good music and shows. Their hard work should be appreciated and that is more important.
It was HoMin’s choice. They chose to stay. They chose to publicaly defame JYJ. They chose to sing those songs. Now they are dealing with the consequences.
@Mokeic for being an ot5
I applaud your stand to stay neutral…
“Instead of saying who’s right and who wrong, I chose to keep supporting both parties no matter what. I will just love them blindly.”
but for those other ot5 who tries to persuade other ppl to sympathize for a specific group, then you lost your neutrality… you become biased for a certain group… that’s what I call TWO FACE better yet a hypocrite.
call me jyj stans or homin haters — which i don’t, since i still follow their recent musics — but musicality wise, i can’t enjoy this performance. period.
i understand jae… and i will try my best to let it go… let it go… let it go… *sings empty*
We all know that this will be taken out of context by some people and use it in ways to prove a point. So to all lurkers in here who would say ‘HA! I told you so’ to us JYJ fans, just note that I believe JYJ deserves the name TVXQ. If they weren’t JYJ, they would be called TVXQ because they have every right to use that name. I always knew that JYJ wouldn’t be what they are right now without being TVXQ, so it’s very much reasonable that they do not want to steer away and completely forget the past, because that would mean they have to forget all the hardwork and effort into becoming who they are today.
This is a bit of two cents from me. In a way I think that this is a hint to all when JYJ say ‘we do not have any intention to get out from the shadow of TVXQ’ that JYJ did not ‘abandon’ TVXQ, as some antis would say. And I think when they say they ‘do not want the expression of TVXQ’s former member either’ is due to the fact that ‘former members’ meant that they have abandoned their blood and sweat of their journey as TVXQ. I completely understand that feeling. HOWEVER, I do feel that JYJ and TVXQ are two separate entities. TVXQ being Homin and JYJ being JYJ, yet they all belonged to TVXQ.
I ranted…. lol. But I’m exhausted at always hearing the JYJ fan ‘stereotype’ as the cynic or the pretentious. We are not. We appreciate and respect JYJ’s past, but we fully love and support what they are today.
i totally agree with u,, u expressed exactly my feelings 🙂
jyj + jyjers fighting
that was no rant but brilliantly said words, but anti’s hear/read what they wana hear/read, its hard to accept but foolish people will always be foolish, its a shame really. how could three parts of quintuple (5member group) be cast aside, and only two members be allowed the name? TVXQ originally wasnt a rightful name for only two members after all the hardships the 5 went through so it only causes problems now…its unfair on JYJ so ofcourse they’ll be upset to be expressed as a ‘former member’, i just wish some antiJYJers wouldnt claim that they were originally OT5 coz it makes no sense…
I feel the same way sweetheart… I know, and I can already feel the other fans who arent JYJ only bias are already saying that well loved phrase of theirs against us… “IN UR FACE!!!”
It’s petty and it makes them look desperate, especially when there’s no need for them to be like that since we’re not taking away JYj from TVXQ at all… but well… as mommy hen said, u cant fix stupid so… heheheh~
this was for DBLEJAEDEE btw… my PC at the office is screwed… hahah!
“If they weren’t JYJ, they would be called TVXQ because they have every right to use that name”
Yup yup, and the ~COURT~ upheld that when Some Mental company tried to trademark the name TVXQ. If JYJ were REALLY in this for the money/greed/etc as so many dumbasses have claimed, they would have sued the heck out of everyone involved when SM/Y+C starting activities again with Y+C as TVXQ.
But they did not. Therefore they are and alway will be in my eyes the greater human beings….. cause, shit I ain’t that forgiving! I’d have been on my phone to my lawyer 5 seconds after seeing the press release!
@Springbok7
You are a much better person than I because I would not have waited 5 seconds to call my lawyers to sue everybody and their mom! Grrr…I get so heated when I hear/read the BS about JYJ just being in it for the money! Hi pot, this is the kettle!!! I wish JYJ WOULD sue SM and HoMin for using the TVXQ name and use that money to start their own label/company.
@leahb518
“I wish JYJ WOULD sue SM and HoMin for using the TVXQ name and use that money to start their own label/company.”
This is EXACTLY what I’ve been saying! But gawd JJ/JS at least are such softies that it’ll be a cold day in hell before that happened. YC I’m not so sure of, sometimes I get the sense that he restrains himself for the sake of JJ/JS. I tell ya, JYJ Productions, coming in five years or so (hopefully sooner). Their slogan could be “Dragging the Korean entertainment industry out of the gutter one fledgling artist at a time”
@leahb518
“I would not have waited 5 seconds”
I forgot to add: that 5 seconds would be me digging frantically for the damn phone lol! stupid thing always sinks to the bottom of the purse LOL!
I agree…they try to build up their future with they deserve what they had in the past, they did change it with blood and tears..with me, i can proud say i am 100% their fan..admire their personality, love their talent and respect who they are what ever their name, and their past doent matter with me..they are 3 boys i love..they can say what they think, they can show their love, their emotion,..dont need to hide anything…that what they fight for..^__^ dont need to explain” because i am under..”…5 more year, 10 more year, rejoy back or not i dont care, they will still my YC/JJ/SJ…and i still admire, respect who they are deserve and will not who they are not..just simple!..^___^.
@doubledee
“I ranted…. lol. But I’m exhausted at always hearing the JYJ fan ‘stereotype’ as the cynic or the pretentious. We are not. We appreciate and respect JYJ’s past, but we fully love and support what they are today.”
Again…”THERE ARE NONE SO BLIND, AS THOSE WHO REFUSE TO SEE.”
What those eager little beavers fail to understand are the nuances of the entire situation. The complexities if you will. So, trying to get them to ‘get it’, is a waste of time. As for ‘hearing about the JYJ fan ‘sterotype’, let them. Their opinions don’t change any facts. And since they can’t see what is really going on in front of their eyes, don’t sweat it.
We just enjoy being part of an awesome group of fans who know how, to truly appreciate these incredible artists, and reap the benefits of hearing how much they care about, US THEIR FANS!
So… ***A BIG SISTER HUG!***
No…THANK YOU actually, very well said ^^
i agree with all of u guys said
@everyone,
—–~~~~ BIG JYJ SISTERS GROUP HUG!!~~~~—-
I love JYJ fans and I love rational OT5ers (who wish for JYJ’s happiness and not blindly wishing upon a delusional star). And I would like to protect those people as much as I can.
I don’t care if at the end of the road, these 5 get back together or not because honestly, I only care for JYJ’s feelings. I would not want them to go back to SM to see them suffer again, even if SM pleads and begs like a lost deformed puppy. And for the love of god, AKTF means to stand by their principles and beliefs! For heaven’s sake can people not take words for granted and realize the meaning behind those words. Respect pulease!
I know you’re out there, quietly stalking and sneering at yourself for thinking we are idiots. It’s fine, JYJ’s got our backs, no one is ever going to change that.
@Dee
Big group hug back at you.
Most days we try to take the high road but I think all of us are getting tired of seeing JYJ’s words twisted every which way. & from what he said, I get the impression Jae’s getting pretty sick of it too…
I’m an ot5 but for me, their happiness is the essential. I’d like of course HoMin and JYJ to get together again or at least to be friends but i respect their decision and i’ll still support them in whatever they decide.
From the beginning, when jyj fans appeared and all this mess homin fans x jyj fans appeared, i thought that jyj fans were awesome. I really admire and love a lot of jyj fans, so i hope just saying im an ot5 won’t make you label me as idiot, childish, whatsoever. Because some ot5 are really harsh i know but there are some good ones out there. I pity that people like those get to be discriminated because of others childish sentences.
Anyway there are a lot of fans in a lot of fandoms. There are people and people, people and more people. So i dont like to generalise. To finish, let’s all support them together. As for me, ill support them and you in each way I can. So dont worry, we just need to unite and protect them! Coz i also want to kick SoME asses!
JYJ fighting! JYJ3 Fighting! JYJ fans fighting!
“I really admire and love a lot of jyj fans, so i hope just saying im an ot5 won’t make you label me as idiot, childish, whatsoever.”
As JYJ fans, pretty much everyone here on JYJ3 respects ANY other fan, as long as they are polite and respectful. We may not always ~agree~ with another’s view or understand why people feel the way they do, but we can certainly respect opinions as long as they are delivered in a polite way. We are however, highly allergic to “stupid” and “rude”. Fortunately 😀 it looks like you suffer from neither of these debilitating conditions, so welcome to the site!
@springbok7
Thank you *hugs* Yeah, right, I also like to see new opinions, comments, whatsoever, and respect it as long as its not rude. But this society seems to have more and more rude people. At least in my country haha – wow im talking non sense and randomly again .. sorry
I think that since you’re in a jyj website then you should at least respect them and their fans and not do useless comments. There’s no use on coming to see the news if you dont recognise/respect them.
@Mits,
No I do not generalize OT5ers as some antis would like to say, and same goes with the rest of JYJ3ers. I know plenty of OT5 fans who can still support all 5 without being irrational with their thoughts and I befriend-ed them. I respect that because they support what JYJ fans also support. I mean a lot of us were cassies at one point but the conditions change that we choose to follow one group more than the other. As long as we stay civil with any discussions or arguments, I say we play a fair game. ^__^
I have never seen you as an ex-member, either, Jaejoong. I know you are still TVXQ, and I know you are JYJ from TVXQ. You are only in your 20s, and you’ve already brought so much joy, depth and beauty into this world. I will keep watching you, and I am happy that you said what you said. I will keep stretching and expanding with you, because in the end, it’s love that matters, right?
It’s always been about love. Keep showing it, baby boy. So proud of you.
Some fans are interpreting this info in one way, others – in other way. It’s normal because we all are bias. I’m bias to JYJ, someone support JYJ but is bias to TVXQ as 5 🙂 But we all have one important thing in common – we love JaeChunSu voices, music and creativity!
I super agree with you 🙂
“But we all have one important thing in common – we love JaeChunSu voices, music and creativity!” –> EXACTLY, this is the only thing that matters.
After reading the whole comments, I’m a bit pissed, because how biased these comments are. OK, I’m OT5 fans, but also JYJ fans, because originally, even when they’re still 5, Chun-Jae-Su were my top three. I really don’t know what to say when people says “TVXQ couldn’t be that big if it weren’t for JYJ”, ok, maybe it’s true, but don’t they think what could happened if JYJ didn’t have HoMin? Maybe they would be as big as the 5-membered- tvxq, maybe they wouldn’t.. but again.. who knows?
A lot of people here trying to “guess” and “explain” what’s in JJ’s mind. Even you all did it by logics, nobody knows what’s exactly in his mind. So, why make it complicated? Can’t we just enjoy the music? Even if later they decide to go back to 5-member tvxq, or not, we, fans just have to choose then, whether we’re going to support them or not. Why everybody is creating assumptions? Just who the heck are we? We’re not JYJ themselves. In fact, we knew almost nothing.
…And I wonder, why several people keep making a “wall” between “OT5 & JYJ fans” and “JYJ fans”.. aren’t we all adoring the same person? It’s just “OT5 & JYJ fans” adores 2 more people. And although we say we want them to return to 5 member tvxq, we can’t do anything about it if JYJ themselves or Homin don’t want it to be happening. And we also don’t mind those who calls themselves only-JYJ-fans.. I myself never force anyone who only likes JYJ to favor the other two. So, be mature, people, let’s live in harmony.
It’s not that several people here keep making a ‘wall’ between ‘OT5 & JYJ fans’ and ‘JYJ fans’, it’s just the ‘OT5 & JYJ fans’ enjoy slandering the ‘JYJ fans’ as well as boldly ill-wishing for the fall of JYJ so they can have their precious 5VXQ…that’s how JYJ fans have a problem with…
Sane OT5 & JYJ fans must be a scarce species, since I found none on the twitter. Most self-claimed OT5 really enjoy talking down JYJ ‘stan’…lol…which is pathetic..
You are a reasonable fan but there are some who go around shoving HM down our throats, commanding us, telling us that we MUST support and love them too. This is ultimately what turned me off OT5s.
The only reason I have any respect left for OT5’s is because of a couple I met on FB. They don’t try to force me to love HoMin. Love can never be forced. If it is, it will mean nothing.
i agree with you. im an ot5 but i respect jyj ans their decisions. Also i recognise jyj fans and have no problems with that, im friendly with a lot of them too ^^ JYJ fans, ot5 fans, it shouldnt really matter.
This seems to be going for phases – first a lot of fights with jyj and homin fans now its like jyjxot5xhomin. Its laughable how jyj fans say we’re all like homin biased and homin fans say we’re jyj biased and only support jyj projects and buy only their albuns, and the thing goes on and on. Basically both sides blaming us for the same reasons
For me, i respect and love the 5 and their fans. Being fan of JYJ, HoMin, the 5…. it doesnt matter as long as you support them (the 3, the 2 or the 5…). So i will always support them and their fans and i hope i can be friend with a lot more fans like you, if you can get away of the fact im an ot5. ^^
As for the interpretations and the sentences, infortunely each person sees what they want to see and stuff. I get angry when there are people saying that jyj is just “craving for attention and putting Homin as the bad guys on purpose” when they should know that jyj are not that kind of guys.
Grrr, i just want to hit those heads all together and say “yah, didnt u know them before? how can u judge them like that?” and well… what i suffered in my freshman days at colleague last week, id make them suffer too. Flour, water, a lot of exercises, screamings, etcetcetc, ud suffer. i even got baptised in a river with a bottle.. well id take u to the river haha
u know what, im happy for this jyj3 post. Because i saw a lot of comments that made me feel that JYJ have a lot of great fans who will hold their backs (is this the expression? ah my english rrrrrrrrr)
Ang tanong eh… ito rin ba ang disposisyon nung dalawa? At this point, may rumor na kumakalat na sabi RAW ni YH, Cassies daw ang 6th member ng TVXQ… so anong drama nya? bakit biglang lima na naman ang TVXQ… eh akala ko ba okay na sya sa new start nila ni CM as TWO members lang ng NEW TVXQ??? ano itong pa-effect na ito???
o may mangyayari na bang development sa case???
anong tingin nyo mga pinay fwends???
Yan ay isang example ng maling pagsasalin…
alin girl, yung chismax na sinabi ni YH yun???
hay naku…..
Yup, pro don s nabasa ko may nagtama, ang sbi daw eh another member ndi 6th…tinanggap nmn ng iba ang pagtatama
oh eh yun nmn pala… sana wla akong makikitang IN UR FACE keme ng mga chuva fans na yan… at ako eh… hay naku! hahahhaha
Kailangan kasi maging lima, mas maramimg pera ang mapupulot if you manipulate the feelings of the 5membertvxq fans. I heard in China fan meeting, they even played a fanmade video of tvxq5 cartoons, yes that was a fanmade but why did Sm allowed it to be shown? pinaglaruan naman nila ang mga puso’t damdamin ng mga fans, sa Korea, hindi nila magagawa yan, so ayon nagkalat sa ibang bansa.
And my take on Jaejoong on saying that above statement is that : They (JYJ) with all these bullshits they are facing until now, are challenged and want to fight back. They are not giving up their rights as TVXQ ( not for anything emotional) but their works and legacy, the three of them have much higher contribution to TVXQ and how can the other 2 only have all the rights of their works. I know some OT5 will be having sweet dreams again, but I don’t think JYJ is thinking for a reunion, I believe they just want to reclaim what were theirs, their self composed songs and maybe they will fight for the rights/royalties for all their TVXQ songs, I’m sure they want to sing them again, just the three of them, JYJ!
Gumaganun ang SME? hay… deperate much…? c’mon…. manipulation game na naman… ano bang napapala nila sa ginagwa nila? it’s not as if those kids will stay stupid kids for long & will follow TVXQ as if they they had a noose around their necks… magkakaisip din yang mga yan… SANA!!!! ahahahhaha…
hay, basta tayo eh alam ang tama at klaro ang kokote keri lang… ^__^
@sam
isan lang ang gustong gusto nilang mapala
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
@ kris
agreed ako sa lahat ng sinabi mo.
Please forgive my crappy Tagalog…it’s not my first language…hey I’m trying my best! 😉
Sa tingin ko ay sinabi ni YH na 6th member ang mga Cassies kasi kailangan nila yung pera at support nang mga OT5s. <— I hope that made sense and that I didn't butcher the language too much…I think I might've used a Kapampangan word in there somewhere. 🙂
okay lng yan… kala ko nmn american ka teh tapos nag-aral ka ng tagalog… ^___^
we all know kailangan nila ng sales… yun kasi ang wla yung dlawa… selling power…. well… credibility na rin….
WOW my JYJ stans palasa pinas??? nakakahiya kayo. bye
@inyourchunface
Bakit kami nakakahiya? I think ikaw ang nakakahiya, you’re in a wrong place, kapal nang mukha mo, kasing kapal kay LSM, ano?
ahahahahha,, @sam-sam.,,
may umeksena.. kung nakakahiya yung magkaroon ng stan.. anong tawag dun sa mistranslations ng iba para bigyan ng ibat ibang interpretation and mga statement to suit their desire kekeke.. okay ayoko ng away ^__^ basta JYJ lang (period) kung mabuo ulit silang 5 okay lang sa akin am happy for them.. no problem with me pero JYJ banner lang pa rin ang iwawagayway ko kahit saan kekekek.. kasi ganun din naman ang ginagwa nila sa JYJ,,, so yun my JYJ badge is forever ^_^
UYYYYYYY~!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ang linis!!!!!!!!!! eh bat nag-effort ka pang pumunta rito para istalk ang SITE NG MGA STAN ng JYJ???
hala! hala! hala!
tsk tsk tsk…
thanks sa HITS na bigay mo sa bahay ng kaaway mo… IKAW NA!!!! Idol ka teh… ^___^
@kris
ayan na oh… lalaban yan! sige, pumatol ka… alam kong andito ka lng… nagdadagdag ng hits sa site na SOBRANG AYAW MO, eh binabantayan mo… thanks sa energy na ipinundar mo… @inurchunface… at creative ang pangalan… NOT!!!! bwahahahah!!!!
@inyourchunface
siyempre may JYJ stans sa pinas.bakit ot5 ba ang pinas? at never kaming mahihiya. sa katunayan proud kami dahil talented silang tatlo na dapat ipagmalaki.
@ JEn…. aliw tlga o pag me troll… hahahah~
first time, may nagtagalog na TROLL!
@sam-sam at nag eenjoy ka namang sumagot kekeke.. ^__^ sungit sungitan pati si @kris palaban na rin.. di na papaapi ..
may mga hirap pa rin ma gets na hindi lahat ng fans ng JYJ eh fans ng DBSK .. kaya may stans dahil may mga fans na late na pumasok sa KPOP and mas piniling gustuhin ang JYJ lang.. so anong problema kung JYJ stan ako.. bakit ako mahihiya.,. eh sa kanila ko gustong gastusin pera at spend ang oras ko.. wala naman tayong obligasyon na gustuhin silang lahat dahil kanya kanyang gusto lang yan.. sigh.. pero ayoko ng away kasi pointless and sayang energy.. nakaka wrinkles pa..
hala… mainit si Jen oh! aliw lang to.. wag seryosohin ang adik… mahirap makipagtalo sa di ka nmn maiintindihan… para ka lng nakipag-usap sa pader… *hugs*
LOL sam…
aliw talaga ako sa inyo!
ADMINNIE, HELLO!!!! pls erase that commenter @inyourchunface… “IT” is trolling us Filipino fans and i know u wont be able to catch the meaning of what “IT” said… so yeah… thanks much!!!
AND to the local TROLL & all OTHER TROLLS… I quote MOMMY HEN…
Again…”THERE ARE NONE SO BLIND, AS THOSE WHO REFUSE TO SEE.”
“AND to the local TROLL & all OTHER TROLLS” @sam-sam…you make me..LOL!!
hahahhah cos we have a local troll up there… ^__^
Don’t forget “YOU CAN’T FIX STUPID!”
sa kadami daming reply… hindi ko na alam kung which one ang eprepress ko…
inaabangan ko pa naman yung susunod na kabanata ni inyourchunface… kaso hindi na bumalik… ang tataray nyo kasi… hehehehe (hindi pa ako kasali dyan)
hello mga kakabayan!!! 🙂
Nga eh, spoiler sya… di man lang sya nagtagal para nakapagsaya tayo… kill joy si bakla… ahahahah!!!! pagkasabi ng BYE, bye na tlga! ahahaha
Thank you Jae for saying what i’ve been trying to explain to people.
I guess he wanted to make himself clearer this time around. I think there are not that many comments because JYJ fans are exhausted defending JYJ intentions or who they want to be now. Anyway, people on Allkpop are misconstruing his intentions saying he is trying to sell albums to former fans of TVXQ5 and that he is being manipulative. I just think he had sometime to contemplate on his past and now and he wanted to tell people how he feels. All celebs talk about the most controversial thing in their life when they are putting out an album or something. I don’t know why he is being vilified for it.
@Daisy
“All celebs talk about the most controversial thing in their life when they are putting out an album or something.”
Often, because this is the time journalists have access to them to ask about their past controversies. From what we’re seeing lately, it looks like sm’s blocking of JYJ is fast becoming a widely known fact outside of the Kpop world, so more journalists are bringing this topic up in their interviews with JYJ. ^^
As to people claiming Jaejoong is being manipulative & trying to sell In Heaven to former fans, maybe those people should get off Allkpop & get a life before they fry the sole remaining brain cell they have…. Or better yet, stay on Allkpop making ignorant comments – at least there their stupid can’t reproduce anything except empty words.
My dear one, I think your summary is spot on.
If I may add a bit more…I’m getting the very distinct feeling there is a move to turn their PR in another direction. If the recent media contacts are any indication, I believe there will be a more concerted effort to re-frame the scenario. Not necessarily go on the defensive, but offer a more resolute and determined JYJ. Now that the new album is officially out, this rachets up the stakes. The possible game changer if you will.
This way, a new notice is given. The trampling stops here. More people outside of the management company level are attaching themselves to JYJ because it is good business. This of course is the bottom line. Pretty soon the tarnish on the whole situation will have polish on it to make it shine.
As to those misguided immature souls who are not able to read a road map. Let them fend for themselves. When they realized they are lost and can’t find their way, the rest of us can look back and just shake our heads. They’ll have to get to the finish line the best way they can. It will never dawn on them, we simply do not care what their opinions are, because we know what the real deal is.
Hugs you Mommy-hen. I agree with you. JYJ are showing a more resolute & determined side to themselves 🙂 They conduct themselves with real grace & elegance, at least in public! Whether they punch a wall or not in private sometimes I don’t know 😉 But they are definitely letting people know they won’t be bullied anymore. I have a lot of admiration & respect for the way Jae, Chunnie & Su conduct themselves. I only wish I had half as much self-control & patience.
Mommy, Twinnie, we have up there a local disgrace trolling us Pinoy JYJ fans and we’re having fun with IT… hehhehe
Twinnie, I’m trying to work out what you guys are saying!! I need to learn Tagalog faster…
@sammie
“Mommy, Twinnie, we have up there a local disgrace trolling us Pinoy JYJ fans and we’re having fun with IT… hehhehe”
Since, as you know, I suck at understanding…please pass this along to said TROLL, from your Mommy-hen…”GO SUCK AN EGG UP YOUR REAR!” I know it’s not very lady like, but you know…SOMETIMES A GIRL JUST WANTS TO HAVE FUN! 🙂
Mommy-hen
ROFLMAO!!!! I thought you were being extra patient today!!
My dear JYJ boys, who are always so sweet and cherish friendships so much, I hope the feelings are reciprocated.
For their poor hearts must have been scarred after all these incidents.
Maybe what Jaejoong is trying to allude to is the fact that neither Homin, SM or Avex owns the name TVXQ. So maybe it was his way to give them all a hint that JYJ are still legally & morally part of the group, despite voiding their contract with the company. As we all know here that SM, Avex & homin use of the full name without the consent of the majority of the members is not right or legal as the name belongs to the 5 of them. So the RIGHT thing to do was to call whatever stuff released post the lawsuit from Homin as Homin from Tvxq & not TVXQ. If I was Homin,SM or Avex, I actually should be very scared that JYJ might & rightfully so sue all of them, & got their shares of the money produced under the name TVXQ without their consent to it. Jaejoong explained in a previous interview that their aim was to leave the company & not the group, which obviously was the plan that the 5 agreed to initially before the other 2 backed off. Homin as mature adults should have done the right thing, ok they changed their mind or whatever their reason was, but they should have restarted their activities as a subgroup from TVXQ untill the lawsuit is over & everything is cleared out, or they should have came up with a different name. To me it seems that their use of the fanclub name & the group name is greedy, insensitive, & wrong.
But isn’t “greedy, insensitve, & wrong” what those companies do best?
Pretty much. 😉
Also, isn’t that what the companies and HoMin accused JYJ of being? Hmmm….*scratchesheadinconfusion*
I think with all these blockings JYJ has to suffer, that these two companies can’t let them go peacefully and instead trying to kill JYJ’s career, they have to stop being too nice, they have to fight back and claim what are rightfully theirs. Why do they have to leave 2vxq enjoys all the luxuries with that name TVXQ and those 2 money hungry companies milk the work and legacy where JYJ have much higher contributions. TVXQ/Tohoshinki could never be that huge if not of the talent/voice and face of JaeChunSu, and now some arrogant and ignorant fans out there will directly lambast any JYJ member if ever they make mention of TVXQ, SHAME ON YOU!…listen to TVXQ5 songs, watch their performances/concerts, who made them such phenomenal, it’s definitely JYJ!( how can anybody argue that, they are 3/5, the main voices are there , the most talented writer/composers are there, the faces that fans are crazy of, are there and the list will go on)
And I don’t think saying those words, Jae is dreaming for a reunion, together with Yoochun and Junsu, I believe all they want is to claim back their rights of their songs and I hope they will. I want to hear the three of them sing their old ballads, that’s why I’m praying that the soonest they’ll become so rich that they can buy back their catalog.
“….. Why do they have to leave 2vxq enjoys all the luxuries with that name TVXQ ……”
Because they are Kim Jae Joong, Park Yoo Chun and Kim Jun Su. 🙂
Really hope you are right about all this serving a kind of warning that JYJ is affirming their claim to the name/rights of TVXQ(5) as already twice upheld by the Korean courts and that they will not give up their 3/5 stake of that pie (including the music catalog) to their former companies or members.
Even the K-courts acknowledged that JYJ had earned that claim with >8years of blood, sweat and tears; so nobody—-despite their noisy and insidious attempts to re-brand and re-define TVXQ/DBSK/THSK or Cassiopeias—–should be allow to rob them of those achievements and rewards.
I can see this being taken out of context again..>.>
I understand your sincerity, but what you desire not to happen already has.
Your role in DBSK will not be forgotten and you don’t necessarily have to close that chapter of your life yet, but what has been done cannot be undone. The desire has to be shared by both sides, and its obvious based on many different actions by the other side, that it is not.
JYJ or JYJ from TVXQ does not really matters. As long as JYJ is happy, I think that what I am looking for.
In the end it’s JYJ.
DBSK = YH + JJ + MIN + CHUN + JUNSU (born with it and stay together for 7 years happily)
if today
DBSK = YH + MIN (forever for SM)
then
DBSK = JJ + CHUN + JUNSU (forever too for JYJ and Us)
Period.
… even if in the future these beautiful men divide into 5 different solo artists .. they will be forever DBSK5 ….. forever and ever … cause History is already written …. and nobody can erase it … thats my 2 cents … and thats truth.
A++++
LOL at your “forever sm” LIKE at your “forever too for JYJ and Us”
if today
DBSK = YH + MIN (forever for SM)
then
DBSK = JJ + CHUN + JUNSU (forever too for JYJ and Us
^__^
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For this on twitter, thought it was an excellent commentary:
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/dellos
You’re right it does make the differences clearer. To bad others will lock onto the ‘less correct’ translation.
@BAF LOL..they just see what they want to see!!
Since I’m a twitter noob and am not sure how twitlonger works, I’ll post the article here so that it’s still here if the link goes poof:
LongLiveJYJ (@LongLiveJYJ)
Posted Tuesday 4th October 2011 from Twitlonger
I found this interview another interesting example of showing the importance of translation and consequences of language barrier:
“JYJ is also a group which came out of TVXQ and so we do not think that we are obligated to get out from the shadow of TVXQ. We also do not suffer from the obsession to become the top. Merely—we want to have many people listen to our music for a long time.”
“JYJ도 동방신기에서 나온 그룹이기 때문에 꼭 동방신기의 그늘을 벗어나야 한다고는 생각하지 않아요. 톱이 돼야 한다는 강박관념도 없고요. 다만 저희 음악을 많은 분들에게 오랫동안 들려드리고 싶습니다.”
http://jyj3.net/2011/10/03/interview-we-want-to-have-many-people-listen-to-our-music-for-a-long-time/
In this article by Seoul Newspaper, the meaning of JJ’s word was captured very well without confusion and also translated well.
Another article from FNN wrote JJ’s word in a different style, the direct translation of which was carefully done by Spring_Breezes as shown below:
“Time has passed and now we’re called TVXQ and JYJ but us naming our group using members’ initials means we work as JYJ from TVXQ. [We] have never thought of being outside of TVXQ’s shadow [T/N: this is direct trans]. Since we’re still TVXQ, we also dislike the expression TVXQ’s ex-members.”
“시간이 흘러 지금은 동방신기와 JYJ로 불리지만 우리가 그룹명을 멤버들의 이니셜로 붙인 건 동방신기 안에서 JYJ란 이름으로 활동한다는 의미입니다. 동방신기의 그늘에서 벗어나겠다는 생각은 결코 없어요. 우린 여전히 동방신기이기에 동방신기 전 멤버란 표현도 싫습니다.”
http://www.fnn.co.kr/content.asp?aid=96ab21bde215442da14ca83e30c168e9
Though two separate articles used different style of sentences, you can extract the same meaning that JYJ did not have to suffer from the obsession of escaping from the shadow of TVXQ (as much the same as from the obsession of sticking to the shadow of TVXQ).
This point was again properly translated and well explained by JYJ3 as shown below:
“Time has passed and now we are referred to as JYJ and TVXQ, but that we have our group name as the initials of the members means that we work as JYJ in TVXQ. We do not have any intention to get out from the shadow of TVXQ. Because we are still TVXQ, I do not want the expression of TVXQ’s former member either.”
(T/N: A literal conversion of the language would read “we do not have any thoughts to get out…” and that “I hate the expression of TVXQ’s former member” but they not the best translation because in this context those words are used in their secondary senses. For instance, Koreans may say 보고싶다 that converts literally to “I want to see X” but actually resembles more closely in meaning to “I miss X.” This is a similar instance.)
http://jyj3.net/2011/10/03/interview-time-has-passed-but-still-jyj-in-tvxq/
>>>However, FNN article resulted a mistranslation by a certain OT5 site as seen below:
“We‘ve never forgotten the thought that it’s thanks to TVXQ that we could excel. We are forever the members of TVXQ, that’s why we also hate being called ‘ex-members of TVXQ’.”
Now, I am sure you can see what a whole different idea this mistranslation would give to some readers. It seems to me that the translation of 1st sentence came almost from nowhere… for example where on earth did the world such as `thanks to` or `excel` or `forever` came from?
http://tl.gd/dellos
@springbok7
Interesting, especially the comment “We also do not suffer from the obsession to become the top.”
@Sapphire
Ya, isn’t it beautiful? Once again they prove to me why I will always ❤ them. They take what life (and anyone else) throws at them in stride now, and just use it to make themselves stronger. They are what they are, they make what they make, they do what they do, and if people don't like it they can kiss their ass. Actually no they can't, we their loyal and loving fans, wouldn't let them anywhere near enough to actual complete that act MWAHAHAHAHAHA!
JYJ FOREVER!
@springbok7
ROFL!!! Aint nobody kissing Jae, Chunnie or Su’s a** except for us fans – WE’RE first in line for that privilege thank you very much!!!!!!!!!!! 😉
😉
LOL! All of the above works for me. 🙂
AWWWWW. jaejoong.. ^^
you are as delusional as we are…
i love you for that…
but anyways.. even if you are JYJ or TVXQ we still love you no matter what ok…
it´s the same when our JYJ boys said that they miss two pets of sme
OT5 always are “oh, they miss them “, “oh, they will be 5 again soon” LOL
what is the new? everyone always knew JYJ still love the two pets
now JYJ said “we are DBSK ,even if we are not in DBSK”
then delusional OT5 again “oh, they said they are DBSK” ,”they want to back to Homin” LOL , “Oh DBSK will be 5 again soon” LOL “in your face JYJ fans” LOL
I do not understand what is the new?? LOL
when Jaejoong,Yoochun and Junsu said they are not DBSK? JaeChunsu are members of the real DBSK( they always will be part of )
but this does not mean they can not be JYJ or the fact that ” in the end, it´s JYJ ”
JYJ are not necessarily saying “we will back with DBSK”
yes, we can not rule it out though but this is not about if they miss or not
we know that DBSK name is synonymous with success,talent,high standars
they were practically the legend of asian boybands
JYJ has the right to be considered part/ or member of DBSK bcuz they also worked his asses to get DBSK´s popularity and fame ….two geeses of SME are using the name right now ,they also are making decent sales bcuz the name
I’m not saying that two geeses of sme are not popular ( I think they also have fans)
but someone really think that if they use the name Homin( no DBSK) they would sell that much in Japan or Korea? especially in Japan LOL
JaeChunSu does not need to use DBSK´s name to sell “In heaven” or The beginning”..they use JYJ´s name
but that does not mean that JaeChunSu are not part of the legend DBSK ,JaeChunsu are a big part of DBSK´s sucess &fame
even Avex are using Jaejoong´s name to sell in Japan LOL
I just know if someday JYJ back to DBSK ..I will respect their choices ,I will always support only 3 boys, though
i understand that this is a JYJ bias site but just to point out HoMin have broken The Secret Code record in Japan and sold 105,000 copies of Tone (latest album) in one single day and over 200,000 copies in the first week of the release and they are still selling. TVXQ (homin) has just achieved its FIRST #1 album in the weekly chart since the band debuted as 5 members all them years ago. JYJ’s Japanese album “The” sold 140,000 in the first week and 170,000 in total despite having had strong support from Avex at that time while HoMin’s activities in Japan were suspended.
so yes HoMin do have lots of fans, especially in Japan. TVXQ is at the peak of its success over there right now. Every single concert they have performed at in Japan including ones they did at Tokyo dome and Osaka dome as part of SM town and Hallyu wave have created an ocean of red for those 2. even other korean artists have stated that they felt like guests performing at a TVXQ event over there. they have been praised hugely by iconic artists like Koda Kumi who has talked about their amazing comeback on twitter and asked their fans to buy their album, and Exile who called their live performance at this year’s Anation where they took the stage as the last act inspiring and outstanding. the whole of Anation had turned red for them this year which is how they ended up taking over Ayumi’s spot as the final and most popular act. top mag with their faces on their cover have gone crazy getting sold out at an insane speed.
I love JYJ which is why i visit this site and i respect other people’s opinions as long as they are based on correct facts. so the reason for my essay above is not to spread the “homin-love” here since i knw that its pointless to do so. but if u want to attack homin please do so using something else other than saying the idiotic thing that they are not popular.
another thing regarding the trade marks owned by SM:
check this link and read it. the owner of this site is an OT5 fan who has been supportive of all members while using real facts in her posts. u will notice the site also includes links to official korean sites that hold all this info u are about to read.
http://hyeonmu.wordpress.com/2011/02/16/get-your-facts-straight-sm-registered-trademarks-over-tvxq/#more-307
the name DBSK and TVXQ BELONG to SM. what doesnt belong to SM is the chinese letters for the word “East” used to write the name because “East” is not a word that can be considered a property. everything else including the stage names already belongs and is registered under SM’s name. JYJ have submitted an injunction that temporarily suspended their contract with SM AS TVXQ. if they win the case they will officially be out of SM and completely out of TVXQ unless SM sells the brand name TVXQ to JYJ.
If ur gonna attack them then at least check ur facts before making an idiot out of urself.
http://thejyjfiles.wordpress.com/2011/01/31/trans-how-did-sm%e2%80%99s-trademark-to-%e2%80%98dong-bang-shin-ki%e2%80%99-get-rejected/
I dont care HM sucess or not ( it they sucess good for them) but about the facts—THE NAME NOT BELONG to SM
“The reason why the application to trademark Dong Bang Shin Ki was denied
As more and more reports come in that KARA may split many people are worried that the group will become the 2nd Dong Bang Shin Ki. Consequently, I suddenly became curious about whatever happened to the trademark rights related to Dong Bang Shin Ki and decided to find out.
Choikang Changmin and U-know Yunho as a duo are continuing activities under their old group name ‘Dong Bang Shin Ki’, and the remaining three—Park Yoochun, Kim Junsu, Kim Jaejoong—have formed a new unit ‘JYJ’ and are active under that name.
Upon researching who owns the trademark rights to name Dong Bang Shin Ki I came across an interesting fact; from the beginning, management company SM Entertainment didn’t file an application for the Korean name for Dong Bang Shin Ki but instead filed for the name ‘東方神起’ in Chinese characters.
Different from my expectation that the name would be registered for a variety of products, the majority of [SM’s] applications were flat-out denied and only the name for “東方神起” in simplified Chinese “东方神起” was registered for products falling under Category 9 (downloadable recordings, sound recordings for compact discs). I further investigated whether there were registrations with similar trademark names, but there weren’t any.
I became so curious as to why the application for “東方神起” got denied that I filed a special document request with the Korean Patent and Trademark Office to find out the reason. The reason for the rejection is interesting and is fully enunciated in the first instance opinion issued by the Korean Patent and Trademark Office.
“The requested trademark filed by SM Entertainment is inextricably and intrinsically connected to famous a cappella dance and singing group members U-know Yunho, Youngwoong Jaejoong, Micky Yoochun, Xiah Junsu and Choikang Changmin and as such, under Trademark Act Article 7.1.6, this request cannot be accepted. End”
Therefore, under Article 7.1.6 of Korea’s trademark law it is not permissible to register a trademark for names related to famous people, and it was on this basis that [SM’s] application was denied. What Dong Bang Shin Ki’s management company SM Entertainment failed to recognise is that the very act on their part of filing an application for trademark registration for ‘Dong Bang Shin Ki’ underscored the fact that Dong Bang Shin Ki and SM Entertainment are clearly two separate legal entities; this is why such an ironic (from SM’s perspective) opinion was issued. This undoubtedly left SM Entertainment dumbfounded, but what could it do? The only way to avoid possible rejection on grounds of Article 7.1.6 is to receive permission from the famous people to whom the name is attached and submit in writing an attestation of this permission. And so, SM Entertainment secured the agreement of the members of Dong Bang Shin Ki and submitted it in writing to the Korean Patent and Trademark Office. But what is this? The Korean Patent and Trademark Office issued a second instance opinion that was identical in content to the first one.
“The requested trademark filed by SM Entertainment is inextricably and intrinsically connected to famous a cappella dance and singing group members U-know Yunho, Youngwoong Jaejoong, Micky Yoochun, Xiah Junsu and Choikang and as such, under Trademark Act Article 7.1.6, this request cannot be accepted. In addition, because this request involves minors, under Patent Law Article 3, Article 5 and Article 909 of the Civil Code, it is necessary to also obtain the permission of the minors’ parents and submit it in writing. End.”
Because at the time of request, the members of Dong Bang Shin Ki were minors, the second instance opinion insisted that the permission of the members’ parents also be submitted in order to preserve transparency in adhering to the law. Afterward, for whatever reason related to the state of relations between the management company and the parents of the Dong Bang Shin Ki members, [SM] was unable to submit documentation attesting to the parents’ permission, and the final decision on the application to the trademark rights for Dong Bang Shin Ki was a flat-out rejection. This, supported by the same reasons mentioned above, also applies to attempts to trademark the Dong Bang Shin Ki name to products belonging to Category 28 (toys), Category 25 (clothing) and Category 18 (accessories).
Considering the reasons for rejection in the Dong Bang Shin Ki case, I started to think that the KARA contract termination situation brings to light the complications that arise when management companies have to face not only the members of their idol groups but also their parents who express dissatisfaction at the profits distribution scheme and other related activities.
Is it because of the parents’ difficulty in yielding the trademark rights to ‘Dong Bang Shin Ki’ that their management company was not able to reap the potential benefits from the products, clothing, accessories and toys sold tagged with the group’s name? This is all just speculation on my part, but the thought of these attractive idols jumping so early into the equally attractive world of entertainment whilst their management company and even their parents remain largely ignorant of their stress leaves me overwhelmed with pity.”
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Banned!
ADMIN ALERT…..someone escapes from her psychiatric room!
Definitely someone has gone mental here. How can somebody without promotions, tv appearances nor media coverages sell so much albums. Did I mention that their former company is doing everything it can to block them too? But in the end, what? JYJ sells out everything! Various respected organizations appoints them as ambassadors. All their dramas and musicals are of great success. Concerts are flolder by fans. Now, tell me in what way they are sinking?
If u ask me, your beloved homin are the exact definition of what u just said. Well, there’s those issue of rebuying their albums just to prove their popularity, buying promotional slots just to “show” that their still popular and do I need to mention their side lines? Modeling on brands/ ads that their companies paid just to have them. Lolz! Btw, just to add salt on you’re wound, both homin dramas are a complete flop!
In the end, honey, you’re at the wrong place to comment such thing. The fact that you’re here just proved yourself wrong- JYJ are still popular!
Sorry Kris, this was intended to be a response to the psychiactric ward escapee char ^^
Amen … POPULAR … that word don’t define them …. they are LEGEND … 🙂
LOLLOLOL, I love your effort to troll darling, but what you just said made no sense, it’s actually hilarious.
Aw man, I wanted to say don’t delete the comment. It should be made public so that everyone could have a bit of fun and laughter at the ridiculousness of that comment. Oh well…
“should i say jyj’s sinking”
Oh yeah, they are sinking alright, straight to the bottom of the hearts of anyone with an ounce of sense.
Oh, sorry, didn’t mean to insult you ~hands over a gallon judge of “sense’~…. what? You’re allergic? I’m very sorry, I’ll take you to the hospital now. Perhaps they can arrange a brain transplant at the same time… you seem to be missing yours….
@springbok7
I am sad. I came too late to see said comment but I can guess the gist of it from everyone’s replies. Your’s, by the way, made me rofl. 😀
@Nikki, fear not, you didn’t miss much. Just some delusional ranting. You know the kind I mean, where somehow being #1 on Hanteo in a million categories equates to “sinking in popularity” and something else about everyone forgetting about our boys… and something about idiot fans.
Cause… you know…. selling 300k preorders is only for no-name artists…. 😉
Though I DO wish everyone would forget about them… then no one would notice and stop me when I kidnap them and smuggle them into my house….. OOPS, did I say that out loud? RATS! Foiled again!
@springbok7
ROFL!!! Aint NO WAAAAAAAY you are gonna kidnap Jae without me noticing!!!
Aish, Sapphire-sis, you’re HELPING me!!! (SOMEONE has to drive the getaway van!)
@springbok7
Help!! I can’t drive…. This is going to be an interesting ride!!! LOL
CRAP! Fine then, we’ll both grab them, I’ll drive and you can sit on them and make sure they don’t escape! Hmmmm how are we getting them on the plane again? It’s a wee bit of a flight from Korea to Hawaii….
WHY can I not find the reply button to your post? Urgh.
Ahh, THAT kind of crazy talk. Par for course in JYJ fandom, yes? 0_o
And omg, make me a part of your Jae-napping plan and I will give you my first-born….puppy. 2 puppies. And all my chocolate.
@springbok7
Fear not, where there’s a will there’s a way. & we JYJ3 sisters have plenty of experience at plotting the kidnappings of Jae, Chun & Su… we just need to get organised…. & a plane… & all of us in the same country at the same time… Su’s easy – all we need to lure him is a soccer ball, some cute kitties, a gaming console & he’ll be in the van before he know’s whats happening! Jae – those cute kitties & his dongseng already in the van should do it. Chunnie? – I’m thinking he’s not going to go down without a fight… we need some hot & sexy Chunsa’s to seduce the man. Any volunteers? Please @Nandar, @yiyithaa, @Hottie, don’t trample the rest of us in the rush!!
@Nikki, you can only click reply “down” a couple levels. Cause it indents each time, if it let you “reply” ad infinity, you wouldn’t be able to read the vertically written text after a while LOL!
Did I hear choco? YOU’RE IN! You can keep your puppies, one 4month ossie is WAY MORE than enough, but choco, there’s no such thing as too much choco!
@Sapphire
Hmmm true about Jun and Jae… but for Chun, just tell him we’re giving him a free lift to the fishing grounds. He’ll come willingly, right? And Hawaii DOES have awesome fishing, so we wouldn’t be lying… exactly… right?
We don’t need them to go quietly, we just need them to GO. I say get the job done any way it takes, make it all better later once back in the states.
…..Is it disturbing that I’m actually sitting here wondering what we’d feed them? Nm. Hitsumabushi, miso ramen and anything spicy.
HAHAHA love it! they can teach us how to cook korean and we’ll cook them japanese in the meantime. We grow our own chilis so Jae should feel right at home. fridge is always stocked with miso and we can cook them korean chicken hawaii style lol! And it’s a good excuse to buy a crapload of unagi at the supermarket. haven’t had any in a while so I’m down for it!
@Nikki
LOL!!! I like your way of thinking! Is it disturbing that you’re actually sitting there wondering what we’d feed them?? Don’t worry – we’ll save you a bed in the loony bin along with the rest of us!! ^____^
@springbok7
The fishing grounds would work, & it’s not REALLY lying – we’ll let him go fishing!! I think the aforementioned Chunsa’s will be seriously disappointed if they don’t get a chance to try & seduce him though!!
PS: although tbh, I think PimpChun would be even more disappointed if we don’t give the Chunsa’s an opportunity to seduce him!!! 😉
@Sapphire, why would they be disappointed? They have a “captive audience” to try new things on HAHAHAH!
And I confess the thought has crossed my mind more than once: if I ran into a lost JYJ and put them up at my house overnight, what WOULD I offer them for dinner? hmmmm….
Though in the miraculous parallel universe where this happens, I’m quite sure I’d be very much the lady, since stereotypical “fangirling” isn’t my style LOLOL!
@springbok7
In the miraculous parallel world where this is happening, I’d happily seduce Jae!! In the real world, I’d probably be too shy to even look at him! LOL
@Sapphire
Lol, the irony of this all is, I almost certainly would be 100% normal with them. I’ve met major league baseball players, international bands, and some singers who have worked gigs around the world, and they are cool people but I could still just chat with them. So yeah, I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t go all crazy on them. (If you’re wondering, have I mentioned that my hubby’s a photographer? Gets you access to great places and people ;))
@springbok7
Normally I’m cool with “celebs” – they put their pants on the same way everyone else does. But I am MASSIVELY in love with Jaejoong – so much so that just watching his 3hree Voices II segment saw me trembling for the whole 50 minutes!! *runs away & hides in total embarrassment*
@Sapphire
I’m sorry, i KNOW i shouldn’t laugh, but I’m giggling like a madwoman right now! LOL! Maybe it’s just my personality type, or 16 years of marriage, I dunno, I just don’t get that way about celebs, doesn’t matter who it is. But then again, I find Jae, Su, Chun adorable, admirable, and worthy of my respect and support, BUT I see them more like three nephews than anything else…. I’ll just add them to the existing horde of 11 nieces and nephews I already have.
@springbok7 @sapphire I don’t know about y’ll but this plan is GENIUS. Now quick, pretend it’s all a big joke to throw everyone else off!
@springbok7 Aww, a 4m-old. Precious. All my chocolate and 2 CLOTH puppies.
@springbok7 @sapphire So, wait, you’re shy, you’re shy AND I’m shy? I think we’re run into trouble even before the plan took off.
@Nikki
ROFLMAO!!!! We are so screwed….. 😦 We could always sit back like ladies & wait for them to seduce us??
No no, I’m not shy. much. My hub’s always teasing me that I can talk to ANYONE. LOL! (And cloth puppies I can def take :D)
PLAN BACK ON, LADIES! Thanks to a certain wfe of a photographer! I’m as happy as if the miraculous parallel world was this one.
Oh yeah! Book those tickets, ladies, we’re going on a trip!
Re your previous comments: I never get star-struck but if I ever saw Jae in real life, I promise you I would spontaneously combust. My head would explode into flames and I would lie at his feet in a cloud of billowing smok, twitching.
HAHAHAHA! Now i’m giggling at both of you 😀
*dancing to the ticket office*
Korea here we come!!!
@springbok7
I’m the nervous, high-strung type, especially where my emotions are involved. I literally shake like a leaf in a typhoon when I’m nervous!! 😦 So, after we’ve kidnapped JYJ, you can convince Jae that I did it all out of love for him, right?? Pretty please sister?? *shamelessly begging!*
@Sapphire
But of COURSE! We’ll simply explain, in the politest of language, that we could see how TIRED and DRAINED they are an thought darn they need a vacation. And before anyone could interfere, we did our level best to provide them with one. (indefinitely….)
Sounds good, right? 😉
@Nikki
ROFL!!! I’ll keep a fire extinguisher with me at all times if you promise to tie me to something solid so I don’t literally shake away!!! Poor JYJ… if they had any idea of the crazy schemes we fan girls cook up, they’d be building their own air-raid shelter & never seeing daylight again! 😉
@springbok7
BRILLIANT!!! How can they possibly argue with that logic?!
*giggling helplessly at our schemes*
@springbok7 That..that…sounds really good. Totally reasonable.
@sapphire Done and done! Ikr? They wouldn’t ever say the words ‘I’ll let you imagine dangerously’ so lightly ever again.
Alright, ladies, I’ve had SUCH fun making crazy schemes with fellow fans but it’s past 3 in the morning so I’m going to clock out. (I just KNOW I will dream of getaway cars and high-speed chases!) Hugs all around, see you tom..err, later today…in JYJ3 world!
@Nikki and @Sapphire,
up yup, I think I need to check out too. I just realized it’s getting close to 11pm and i haven’t even started on my j-homework… and I’m already three days behind SIGH! So yeah, our planning session can continue tomorrow 😉
ang ibig sabihin ng CHAR sa gay lingo sa tagalog ay CHARING, CHAROT O EKLAT lang… so wag pansinin… TAE lang yan… linisin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bwahahahahahah!
LOL
All fans of any idols/celebrities are the same are they not? So unless you are not a fan of any idol or celebrity then you yourself would be included in your generalization at the end. Besides, JYJ didn’t contradict that they’re JYJ, they didn’t say they’re NOT JYJ did they? They enjoyed the time they spent and good memories as TVXQ but disliked the company they worked for, I think that’s normal.
I enjoy my time spent with my co-workers too but don’t really like my company either. Even once I quite my company I will still have those good memories of me, my co-workers and the friends I made through this job, but it doesn’t mean I’ll start liking the company.
So yes, it’s possible for JYJ to have good memories from their years together as 5, who goes through years with only bad memories and not a second of enjoyment? Do you?
not really. back in 2010 they released an official press statement for their english album “the beginning” on their official site at that time which was posted all over JYJ’s fan sites with links but since TVXQ’s return, that site has removed the official press statement. in either case JYJ in their own OFFICIAL words at that time introduced themselves and their album this way:
“New album from the ex-members of Asia’s top selling male vocal act “TVXQ” collaborates with international music superstars on global debut”
ROFL and I was waiting for stuffs like this to come out.. ^__^
@char
ROFL!!!
Oh sorry dear, I’m laughing AT you, not WITH you!!!
twinnie, i dont want this troll in our ward… ahhh…. okay… the nurse said IT is going to the black room w/ no padding on the walls…. ahahahh!
Is that the section where the nurse keeps sneaking off to play “doctor” with the doctor?? I think it must be… @char’s obviously missed her meds for a couple of days now!!
no… the nurse is giving her the meds, but CHAR refuses to take them… she said they’re DANGEROUS and that will make her like JYJ… oh NO!!!! XDDD
Twinnie @char WISHES she could be like JYJ!!!! It’s not gonna happen in this Universe! We better pack her off to a parallel world, she might have a better chance there!
mwahahhahahah~!!!! twinnie… u’re so mean… u dont know if u become CHAR’s officemate on that next life… oh no… hehheh
I’m mean?? You say a thing like that & call me mean????? LOL
LOL…you are complete fail by the way you troll…crazy ppl jumping around…if JYJ sinking ….we are JYJ fans very happy give all our hand to help them..but we dont need to do must now, they are standing very strong on the feet and change go fly higher…so sad for you and SM!!!
i should have been usually angered by comments like this.. but i guess it grows old kekeke.. she keeps spewing we and JYJ were idiots .. ahaha and she forgot to check she did the most idiotic thing.. and that is to comment here ^__^
di ba nga sabi ko, thanks sa HITS!!! sobrang thanks!
It’s good to have some trolls sometimes. They comic relief in between our JYJ celebrations and spazzing moments. I guess we need a short break sometimes… and yes, they add up on jyj3’s hits! holler~ lolz.
@rainbow monkey
Yep! I’m having fun here 😛
if in your freaking mind … our IDOL JYJ, who just sold 80,000 cd in 3 days and still counting 100,000s pre orders, will gradually forgotten or sinking…. let me tell you …you really need to go to brain doctor … hehehe … They are the Part of The Rising God of East ( 3 out of 5) …. GOD never SHRINK …and we will never forget OUR GOD …. call me Idiot or crazy … i am happily consider myself crazy fan of JYJ
@char
Dear one, did you really think you could come here and have an effect? I hate to break it to you, but you truly are wasting your time. You see, for us it is always JYJ in the end. And regardless of what your opinion is, won’t change the facts – SME IS SCARED S***T***S of JYJ. So, whether the guys are using DBSK/TVXQ/JYJ doesn’t matter!
JYJ IS A SUCCESS WITHOUT SME! Blocking or not, they will survive. Why? Because THIS FAMILY will be with them always, and no delusional nitwit is going to change that fact. So, you can run on along home now, that is if you know the way. At least let us show you to the door. BYE!
lollllllllll jyj is sinking because they have 300 000 pre orders ,, topping the charts ,,, winning with acting awards,,being abassadors, albums being sold out everywhere and holding concerts in europe,,,
omg they are really sinking lollllllllllllllllll
u should go and check some hospital,,, im just saying this for ur own sake
and i just want to say ,, tvxq popularity was not created by 2 members but by 5 and i think everybody knows that homin still sings the old dbsk songs in their concerts so the one who uses dbsk popularity is actually homin and not jyj,,,
i will never call homin for tvxq because they are not,, tvxq is the name that refers for the hardship and popularity of 5 persons,, not 2,,,
@nono
“homin still sings the old dbsk songs in their concerts so the one who uses dbsk popularity is actually homin & not jyj,,,”
A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
What we hate in others are the faults we can’t see in ourselves. So to all those Homin & fake OT5er’s who are spewing this BS that JYJ are just trying to capitalize on the DBSK name, go get a reality check. It’s JYJ who have created a new name for themselves, written their own songs, directed their own concerts, sourced their own projects, broken new ground in the idol world.
And my 2 cents
JYJ needs TVXQ’s popularity … LOL … you’re in delusion Honey…
i think one and only JAEJOONG is enough for shaking whole K-pop world … Keep your Head up and Open you Eye and Ear …. Amen
Why? What did the boys ever do to you? I am sorry if they ever hurt you somehow, and I hope as time goes by you will find other artists to love, and if ever so happen to love our boys again, I will be happy to share that joy with you.
obviously your the only idiot here since you clearly lack reading comprehension skills lol anyone who sita down and actually reads what JJ just said wouldnt think what you just wrote…..lol bye
@char
OHOHOHHHOHOHOHOHOHO!!
Your trolling techniques needs to be polished up a bit!
What are you? A juvenile troll?
Is this your first day out from troll school?
Which troll school did you graduate from? Goodness gracious!
If you graduated from the same troll school as me I would be so ashamed!
Didn’t they teach you how to do in style?
Proper trolling, my dear, requires good knowledge on how to articulate and manipulate words into troll worthy sentences.
Judging from the pitiful way you expressed yourself I deduced that you failed your course in trolling.
My advice is to go and enrol yourself into a reputable trolling academy, preferably an institute and study very hard.
Once you graduate with flying colours, please feel free to grace us with your immaculate trolling techniques.
We will be waiting for you with open arms!
Char Fighting!! Please do you best!!
@kementari8
HI5 sister!!! 😛
@Sapphire
HI5 back sista!!:)
Like seriously what is wrong with the society now?
Are people so uneducated that they can’t troll properly?
*le sigh* I miss those days when trolls were smart and articulate…..
No all we get are mush brained troll wannabes….
How sad for the society…….
opps …. TYPO!!!
NOW all we get…. sheesh!!! Fail on my part…TT.TT
pardon my jumping in but:
@kementari8
“No all we get are mush brained troll wannabes….”
What do you expect when the poor troll-babies are birthed from the target demographic of ~those~ people… you know, mid-teens? Their hormones are likely so unbalanced they can barely focus on putting one foot in front of the other without crashing on their faces in the process. Thank god those of us here are far too stable, including those of us who are in that age group, to fall into the same trap. Lo and behold, see the miraculous effect of JYJ, cures even teen-angst! /sarcasm
everyone is so fierce.. no more miss/mr nice JYJ stan ..i guess we’d had enough patience putting up with the trolls and adjusting for them and they havent change either way no matter how much we try to change their heart, it’ll not change cause if they hate , they hate .. if they like, they’ll like.. ^__^
@jenknight18
It’s funny actually. I think some fans who always jumped at the trolls before have now calmed down & learnt to let it go, while others have bitten their tongues & tried to stay polite for too long & are now losing their patience. Or maybe we’re just taking our cue from the boys – they’re ready to fight for their rights, & so we’re all getting ready for battle!!
@springbok7
IKR? The gap between smart and down right stupid is getting bigger and bigger. Unfortunately the stupid gene pool is getting more and more stupid.
@Jenknight18 and @Sapphire
I used to be one of those fans that would let trolls go and ignore then but silently seething in the background…. but now no more. I have had enough!
One can only tolerate so much and to see injustices performed before the cup of patience spills over.
Mine is spilt and now it is running like a waterfall.
I will defend JYJ with all I have.
And I will do it with class.
JYJ is class and they have the dignity to face all adversities.
To reflect their determination and their wholesomeness I will defend them with dignity and with well thought out posts.
That way no one can say that JYJ fans are uneducated when they reply to ignorant and moronic trolls.
@kementari8
Me too. I tried to be tolerant & sensitive to the trolls & just ignore them, but when they just keep on coming …. & coming …. & coming… patience runs out eventually, & I’ve never had much of it to begin with. I’m tired of waiting for these moronic idiots to see the light of truth, or at the very least, to learn some respect for others. & I’m really tired of seeing Jae, Chunnie & Su getting bashed all the time because some people can’t admit to how wonderful the guys are without being blinded by their own mediocrity & jealousy.
@kementari8
Inbreeding, my dear, inbreeding. 😉
ROFL……finally i can catch up some lurker in here kekekeke
thank u for give some a fun today
it’s has been long time since i catch up the lurkers in this site
using a childish way to decrease the comment rate LOL
really clever kid…..u can say what u want to say because u know what sometimes someone who talk bad like that actually talk about him/herself so in the short word the one who idiot is yourself
¡Oh no; NOT AGAIN!! A poor delusive soul trying to seed madness.
Worthy of pity…….poor @chair…….I mean @char. I almost sat on her name……LOL……
@shuheilove
“I almost sat on her name…”
Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! 😛
OH!!! dont sit on her name… iher name CHAR can mean SHIT in our language so… YUCK! ahahahah
Fortunately I said “almost”……… 😉
ahhhh… then that’s good!!!! ^_______^
Get Out….Goodbye
@JYJ family
I really have to laugh at this. JYJ is on the rise and antis know it but refused to accept that.
What I can quote is this:
“The ugly and the stupid have the best of it in this world. They can sit at their ease and gape at the play. If they know nothing of victory, they are at least spared the knowledge of defeat.”
@Char
“You even called us JYJ fans stupid in your verse, and I’m almost agreeing, for where stupidity is involved, you are quite an expert, friend.”
A+++++++++++++++ my dear; as clever as always…. 😀
I’m so pissed off!
Everytime there is an ‘ANTI-TROLL PARTY’ I’m late!
However reading your smart and classy replies to “IT” made my day a very pleasant one.
JYJ fans are THE BEST!
Thanx @char for giving me some good laughs (as you can see JYJers are always kind and well-mannered…)
“I’m so pissed off!
Everytime there is an ‘ANTI-TROLL PARTY’ I’m late!” 🙂
That’s usually the case for me as well. Imagine my luck to have two in a row to reply to! I’m thinking my luck is changing! LOL.
Since they are coming out of the woodwork like roaches, I can only guess it must suck to be them. I’m pleased as punch they are being pissed off. No amount of BS from them is going to derail JYJ, not while we’re on watch! Family, keep those weapons handy and ready to go!
hmmm this whole thing…..i feel JJ is wanting to let people know that by forming the group JYJ, they are not trying to erase their past as DBSK members. I think a lot of people think they want to forget DBSK or go and be #1 as JYJ and somehow to some people it feels like JJ, chun and Su “abandoned” their members….but its not about that. They have clearly shown by their actions that its about the music now,and they will continue as JYJ in order to do what they are passionate about,and that is singing and performing because thats who they are,singers.
People that think JJ is trying to manipulate with his words, frankly I think their dumb, in the end people will support who they want to aupport, JJ is simply expressing himself…….i think he has made it very clear that DBSK was very important to him and I am pretty sure that hearing people say he abandoned the group or seeing him as only a jaejoong from JYJ might hurt him. He doesnt forget his roots,and wont deny them and still holds them close to his heary because its wjat made them
DBSK was my intro to kpop and the first band where I actually liked all the members right from the start. I started with liking YunHo, Changmin and then stuck on Jaejoong, who became my favorite k celebrity till this date. Because of this reason, I am biased towards JYJ. I wish they would blow everyone away with their abilities and success. I also think that JYJ are being more open about their feelings than HoMin (and for some reason, I believe that everything they say is just SM channeling their opinions, as we all know that the big companies have their strict policies and what not). At the beginning the only issue I had with this breaking off was about the name which is the only thing that bothered me for a long a time.. I got over it now (I think…) Anyways. at this point, I know it’s probably impossible to get the DBSK back to the way it was, but I will Always Keep The Faith that they will be together as friends and brothers who laughed and cried with/for one another…
omg… Jae <33 luv this guy!!! hopefully noone will understood him!!~ thank youuuu!!!^^
Do you mean “hopefully no one will misunderstand him”?
IMHO JYJ own more of the DBSK/THSK legacy than the other two left at SM. They should have been the ones enjoying the glory bu they are not. Even when they are being systematically erased from the TVXQ history, JJ is defiantly saying, “no you are wrong, no matter what you do, we were TVXQ, we made the name too.”
Defiance =/= Wanting to be an SM pet again
DITTO!! You said it to a Tee!
I absolutely agree!!!!
Hmmm, I just read it as an acknowledgment of their roots, tbh. I still recognize them as members of TVXQ and to be fair, a lot of people still do if the distinction of the name is anything to go by (TVXQ5, TVXQ2). I can see why people would make a big deal out of it but the thing is, JYJ have never denied they are members of TVXQ. And besides, letting go of the name means that they’re also letting go of their rights to it, and I don’t think that would ever happen. They might not have contested the use of SME/Homin of TVXQ in court, which they had a right to do, but that doesn’t mean they would allow SME/Homin to erase them as TVXQ iand this is just one way of preventing that.
I’m gonna ride your comment here ^^
It’s the sentiment I got from JJ too. SM said ‘TVXQ means 2 people from now on’. JJ said: ‘no, that’s not it. We are TVXQ too. The court even recognize the brand tied with 5-ppl names…It’s also can be a preventive measure when SM’s going to apply for ‘TVXQ’ yet again in the future. Even though, they are not taking it to the court now, but as they voice out their opinions on the right to ‘TVXQ’ name, it’s gonna be taken into consideration in the future.
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We are happy to know JYJ have many OT5 supporters
But please be considerate with JYJ’s fans, JYJ gained alot new fans from their solo and groups activities. Let’s be respectful to JYJ’s fans in their own Home: JYJ3.
Then what would you call JYJ stans that have just known them thru SKKS, etc. Are they not true fans becoz they chose not to learn and care abt the two?
I think some OT5 tends to forget that JYJ fans are no solely cassiopeia. Seriously, after SKKS,TOH, world tours and PtB, could people really think that all JYJ fans are from cassiopeia? That’s the mentality of a frog trap in a well.
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Wow. Way to go. you just succeeded in pissing off an entire fandom with one post. Do you know how much we, JYJ fans, hate these words? You call yourself a true fan yet you forget the fact that many of us came in AFTER the split. And at first, I did support all 5. That is until HoMin started playing victim, making PUBLIC defamatory attacks on JYJ and JYJ couldn’t even defend themselves! Not to mention their actions and refusal to even SPEAK with JYJ and calling JYJ liers! Why the hell would I supoprt people like that? Please read this last part and remember this if you reply to me. I do NOT hate HoMin. I do NOT wish ill on them. I do NOT want them to fail. I WANT JYJ and HoMin to be friends again. HoMin has a lot of apologizing to do though. And they are in the company for 7 more YEARS! Them getting back together as a band will not happen for 7 more years if at all. I am extremely angry with HoMin and think they either need to man up (since people think SM is to blame) and say no to SM, or they need to think differently as it appears they have changed.
@JYJfan Thank you! You have perfectly articulated my exact sentiments on this whole issue.
agree.
now on a joke’s topic: when my devil side appears, sometimes I thought maybe someday it were homin to ride JYJ’s name, not the other way around as those some crazy homin and ot5 have claimed. i mean, when they are left rotten by SM and a no-use-anymore, they are begging to be back as 5 while JYJ shines at its peak. if that really happen, i will laugh my ass off..
Dude, show some respect please. You’re talking to a crowd who also deserves to like WHOEVER they want. It’s a free country. Don’t try that BS true fan Shait on us.
Yes, why can’t these people respect our right to like whoever I want? Sounds like Animal Farm…
JYJ can throw all the (bad) memories about DBSK just like that, they don’t need it anymore, they can do better without DBSK and specially without SME. But we all know how JYJ are now, from what JJ said about DBSK, they cherish all they have even those bad or good DBSK memories. They really full of feeling, I’m so proud of them.
I’m just always Chun’s bias, don’t really care about cassies or OT5 or JYJers (but I do like JYJ now) but I can feel what JJ think about JYJ still love all cassies, even they only like JYJ or like 5 of them, JYJ love all their fans, they don’t want fans to choose who their love, fans can love them all as they are now. JJ so thoughtful, he just don’t want their fans confuse, he just want fans enjoy their music as themselves now. So…. as our guys already mature now, so fans…. be mature like them too please….^^ v
I’m pretty used to this now. JJ has been reaching out since the beginning. Funny thing is I don’t see the other 2 do the same. I am for one always sad reading stuff like this,its like seeing a one sided love from jyj. I don’t know why ppl could be happy abt it.
¿You know what @nichie? I agree with you. 😦
“One way ticket, one way ticket…”
I see and agree with you…that why i am more love the boys!!
HEADS UP!!!!
Guys, I posted a link in the GAP from a new article from allkpop. Please, come join me in some ranting or raving.
@Dee
I’m in the mood for some ranting & raving today! Can you tell? 😉
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ROFL, Come on you people, can’t you reason better?
Calling JYJers. Here’s another one!!! Eat up!
I LOVE JAEJOONG THE TROLL!
Should I call the Cha family and extended family to beat you up?
Actually I think Eun sol could deal with you and send you to another universe alone kekekeke
and you need to stop visiting JYJ webs LOL what’s wrong with you??
you are alone in Homin site? LOL boring?
Well, Jae’s really the greatest Troll ever and you should learn from him.
yea…he such a Brilliant Troll~ LOL…
hate him for leaving such ‘complicated-hard-to-understand-interview-cuts’ makes ur bwain swell… :p geheheh
Well, we love him to bits~~~~~
You don’t like, you can leave~~ the door’s over there~~
You need to stop being such a troll. seriously. sf annoying.
Jae’s the most successful troll ever though, lol. One comment from him = thousands of responses.
Can’t say the same about other trolls.
Personally? I find his trolling a class act. So….guess you and me are at a standpoint. Gosh.
8/
LOL, this trolls seem to come in packs…………. ¡ROFL!!
i never thought i will get annoyed. I think I am. A bit.
I read first 10-20 comments here. It’d be much more comfortable for me tho if i read everything and commented but I’m only human and I have other things to do.
Moving on, there were a few comments that I would agree with. First and foremost, I agree with whatever makes JYJ happy, I’m happy. I’m not a JYJ fan neither am I a HoMin fan. I’m a Cassiopeia and I support all five of them.
We’re never really sure about these things. About what JYJ really wants to say. We’re not Korean (at least for those who aren’t).. We didn’t grow up with the culture so we can’t really be sure of the translations. (not unless you’re fluent and you know what he really meant.)
If it’s posted online or any other social media, it’s hard to decipher what someone means. You don’t see them. You can’t interpret it from the tone of their voice. You can only read what they’re writing.
For HoMin, we really have no idea what’s going on inside SM walls. We don’t know how they’re truly feeling. They frequently talk about JYJ. Or at least they don’t talk about JYJ as much as JYJ talks about them. We don’t know if SM is telling them to say these things. As you say, SM is manipulative to the fans, we don’t know if they’re also manipulative to their artists. One thing is for sure, SM artists won’t EVER talk bad about SM as long as they’re in there.
BOTTOM LINE: WE ARE NOT SURE OF ANYTHING regarding their feelings, thoughts, etc.
information is abridged. So please don’t just read the article, read comments and rant one-sidedly. I hardly comment on issues like this. Heck, i hardly even read comments on issues like this simply because I’m looking at things from a far perspective. If JYJ says they miss HoMin, okay. they miss them. they want to talk to them and they dream about them. Let’s just leave them to express their thoughts. it’s just like saying ‘I Love You’. period. that’s that. you don’t go around the bush to look for whatever flaws that may have or what motive it has, or where it’s going to lead to.
Let’s just let them speak out their hearts and minds and acknowledge what they are trying to say. There’s no need to interpret them. There’s only going to be a whole lot of chaos between JYJ supporters and HoMin supporters if we do. They’re all from DB5K. And we love them. We don’t need to hate each other for supporting the people we love.
um….I really hate the “we don’t know anything so lets just sit and twiddle our fingers” argument.
Also, this translation is about as good as they get.
Lastly, to make an INFORMED conclusion is human nature. No one is not going to do so.
So sorry, not going to shut down my brain to try to attain harmony with a group of fans that will talk shit about JYJ fans whether we say smth that is “inflammatory” in their minds or not.
hi @bmw81187…i recognised you the earlier jyj days/time- keep fighting. allkop, syc, jyjfiles..etc. if i m not mistaken, sorry if i m wrong.
“we really have no idea what’s going on inside SM walls…”
heh, always used as an excuse to most ot5 and homin stan.
one lesson, sometimes we do not need to know “EVERYTHING” to conclude because first, our limitation as human, only God knows all; and second, there’s nothing ideal in this world where everything happens 100% perfect. for the restriction of information we have even if after we digging thoroughly for it, one who ‘use’ their brain properly can see what happened in all this mess. only denial people twist everything around them to suits their interest, expectation or worse, imagination.
I don’t mean to be rude but you are very wrong. No one knows everything about every situation. Now why would JYJ lie to us? You honestly think it’s ok how HoMin has been treating JYJ as long as the have good excuse?! Isn’t this how a child would think? A good excuse means it’s ok to do wrong and treat friends like crap? And if you guys are wrong? What then? What will your excuse for HoMin be then? I know HoMin believes in personal responsibility. If we can assume this, then they know they need to take responsibility for their words and actions. Now if they know what they’re doing is wrong, it is just as bad if not worse if they truely believe what they are saying and doing.
In I think many OT5’s have forgotten how hard JYJ fans have fought for JYJ. All the advertisements, calls made to stations, petitions, correcting rumors about JYJ, etc. If it weren’t for this and JYJ fans helping to sway public opinion, then JYJ would not be where they are today. So this twiddling your thumbs theory does not work in this case.
Now if you are saying fans should not but in and try to force JYJ to make up with HoMin or force a wedge in between them, I agree. It will only make things worse. A ton of fans have been trying to force their fantasies on poor JYJ.
I never said it’s okay for them to treat each other that way aryt? and dont you think for one second that i’m just rooting for HoMin cause I’m rooting for JYJ too. and I didn’t say that we should try to force them to make up. Sure it’d be great. but for your information, I know much better than to force something that’s a little complicated. I simply said to leave them express their feelings and not make a big fuss out of it. it goes for HoMin and ot5 stans as well, in case you guys didn’t get the message.
It’s as if TVXQ is an incomplete group without JYJ.
This. This so much.
LOL…
why won’t you try and let the 2vxq sing their old songs… by themselves and what do we get?
good thing someone posted in the gap, let me run over there and get it…
be right back.
I’m back… @Sasa
here it goes… same song without the JYJ
now you tell me, is the present TVXQ the same as the old one? NOPE!!!
tvxq losts its meaning for me a LONG TIME AGO
JYJ gave a deeper meaning for me.
“We do not have any intention to get out from the shadow of TVXQ. Because we are still TVXQ, I do not want the expression of TVXQ’s former member either.” nuff said.
Whatever Jae’s/JYJ’s intentions of saying those words, I sincerely think that until now JYJ still hold the rights of the name TVXQ along with homin. I don’t know how is it now, but SM has been trying to get the copyrights of TVXQ name belongs to the company, but it has not been agreed by the competent institutions yet. I might have read somewhere that SM had only been able to get the copyright of the chineese character of Dong Bang Shin Ki. (please correct me if I’m wrong). So, unless the court have settled the lawsuit matter, and there is decision or limitation that only SM and it’s affiliations allowed to use the name TVXQ commercially, then peoples who dislike JYJ (antis maybe) could say anything they want..
JYJ are clever, and their cleverness never fails to amaze me..
JYJ has and always will be part of DBSK,they never left the group, they are just promoting as JYJ now and the media simply labeled them as former members. There is always a possibility of DBSK5 again but that’s not going to happen until the 2 leave SM.
Im sure JYJ look forward to performing as 5 again but im sure they are happy with what they are doing now as well, carving a niche for themselves by themselves. nuff said!
Some people think …is it like Super Junior and Super Junior M? same group with a more/less ppl in a a different group? (i have know idea what i just wrote.but u get it right?)
but i think of it as like SS501 when Hyun Joong and Jung Min had side promotions (BOF and musical) while the other 3 continued with “U R Man” but just more dramatic events happening
You are comparing this situation to making money spinoffs manoeuvres?
clearly you’re not informed well on the case…
I understand if Jaejoong, Yoochun and Junsu do not want to be considered as an ex member. I mean it’s their root whatsoever. But reality speaks the opposite, especially after SM announcing that TVXQ will comeback as 2 members group and Cassiopeia only a fanclub for those who support TVXQ with 2 members only. This is the same thing as announcing the disbandment of TVXQ5. Not to mention the ever so famous ‘the start of new TVXQ’ phrase made by Yunho that was just wow. It was definitely a declaration of bye bye TVXQ5. What makes me mad and or sad is that the fact that Jaejoong, Yoochun and Junsu might be the only parties who suffer with this feeling. The other 2 may have moved on and enjoy their new entity as 2TVXQ.
Jaejoong, Yoochun and Junsu, god these men just too wonderful as people. But really I want them to be selfish sometimes. I know that it’s hard to say goodbye to yesterday but really they have to move on. Their future is JYJ. And I know that they can survive and be the best as JYJ. No need to look back and just let it go especially when the one we think about may not care at all about us. It’s a total waste of time. And I really don’t want you to get hurt ><
as an OT5 fan and a JYJ fan… of course i’d wish for them to get together as a group and perform together again, since that’s the reason why i love them – their performances, their close relationships, their harmony etc. but all of us know that it’s not possible any time in the near future, so i’d settle for them being happy and at least being friends. i wouldn’t want JYJ to go back to SM for the sake of 5VXQ, since they suffered so much there.
Kind of just making a point that not all OT5 and JYJ fans try to push a wall between JYJ and 5VXQ. call me shallow if you will, but right now i’ll just settle for enjoying the great music that they produce, the fabulous shows that they act in, and whatever presents they give us fans.
I am just JYJ fan only…period… No attachment to the past and whatsoever. If fate decide that they will be friends again, it will be. I’ll go where JYJ take me…Homin? I don’t know and I don’t care…..
Where is my copy of “In Heaven”? I’m dying of waiting here… plus reading all those OT5 makes me very tired..
Lets talk about the future, the happiness. Forget the past. DBSK as five is finished, its time for JYJ..
Move on please..
and also *jaejoong-sshi if you read this.. Please stop mentioning DBSK.. lets talk about JYJ only..
*i’m being very selfish and dont symphatizes with jaejoong.. mianhamnida..
i personally hate the term “ex tvxq member” either.they are still a part of tvxq.tvxq is incomplete without jyj so well