JYJ3’s Note: The Admins are working on a more detailed post, but here is a preview of what is to come. ^^
1) On the issue of the Net Profit of 14.7 billion KRW (approximately 14.7 million USD) in 2008:
SM: Of that, the portion from TVXQ was only 1 billion KRW. The rest came from BoA, CSJH (Chun Sang Jee Hee), and The Trax.
JYJ’s law firm: Wow, so CSJH must make more money in Japan than TVXQ!
SM: …;;;;;;
2) On Expenses:
From The Nameless Song Part 1:
…Finally one day we had claimed #1, what we’ve desperately longed for.
That day had come.
From then on, everything started to go well.
Profits reached hundreds of thousands, swept every award and we really felt our success.
Finally we heard that we had hit it big, had raised profits beyond our imaginations
With spring in our steps we went to the company on our pay-day.
Each teammate looked at each other with excited eyes.
We praised each other, that we had worked hard.
On the accounting statement we received, our performance was in the Minuses.
When I checked again, thinking that I had mis-seen– Everything was expenses.
Damn. All of the so much that there was, had slipped out as expenses.
Just what kind of expenses were they, to make so much that there was fly away, to where?
Today’s Hearing revealed that the “Expenses” that members had to pay for included everything,
from snack costs and the SM Executive and Staff’s Gas Money and Parking Fees.
3) On Whether SM Ever Calculated How Much the Members were Due:
SM: Your Honor, we do have evidence that we calculated the money owed to the Members, with the Members.
*Shows a document on TVXQ’s debut single “Hug” from 2004″
Court: … *waits for more documents*
SM: …*stays silent*
Court: …AND??? (Where are the documents that show SM did the calculations for albums after TVXQ’s first single in 2004? TVXQ released albums under SM until 2009.)
SM:…;;;;;; (In the end, SM failed to produce any more evidence beyond the single document from 2004.)
On the 50,000 USD Due to the Members After Mirotic Sold Half a Million Copies
(Under the revised contract, the members were supposed to be paid 50 million KRW (50,000 USD) if they sold over 500,000 copies of an album. Mirotic sold about 540,000 copies.)
Court: So why didn’t you pay the Members the money?
SM: Your Honor, Mirotic only sold 480,000 copies. We were supposed to pay only if it sold over 500,000 copies.
JYJ’s law firm: But Mirotic sold 540,000 copies. *shows evidence*
SM: …;;;;;; Well, it’s actually that we were supposed to pay only on the condition that there be a next album… and
Court: Stop. Not Accepted. (Court rejects SM’s excuse. 50,000 USD for an artist who sold 500,000 copies is ridiculously small, especially when divided into five, but SM didn’t even pay the Members that.)
Source: DC TVXQ Gallery, esc님
Credit: JYJ3
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JYJ3’s Note: Fuller Accounts by the wonderful withJYJ.wordpress.com:
[INFO] Fan account of court hearing on case b/w JYJ and SME (3/15/11)
[Translator withjyj T/N: The following is an account of the court hearing that was held on March 15, 2011 on the case between JYJ and SM Entertainment for invalidation of JYJ’s contract with SME.
The summary was provided by a fan, and he/she noted that he/she is writing on whatever he/she heard that day at the trial and because she has no knowledge about laws, there might be discrepancies]
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Yoon Sung**, the person responsible for balancing SM’s accounts, moved to the witness seat.
For about an hour and a half, there would be interrogation from both sides. The questioning was mostly based on the various account balance documents that were submitted late by SM.
Because it’s a trial, the judge will have to make a decision of the sentencing after the trial, so the atmosphere today is a little stifling.
As a reference, the judge in charge today has been changed.
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Questions from SM’s lawyer.
Person to answer: Yoon Sung**, the person in charge of balancing accounts since the latter half of year 2007.
(They spoke about SM’s bookkeeping during the 6 month period)
Q: Did any of the artists under SM ever mention any recommendations/proposals about the inconvenience of the balance account?
A: No.
Yoon & SM’s lawyer checked the breakdown of SM artists’ income detail list. In the list, income, expenses, advance payout details, receipts are all included and the balance account statement has been revealed.
Yoon states that the balanced account statement will be revealed to the manager, family members of JYJ, and JYJ members if they request for it.
Q: With regards to the claims that 5 members were held accountable for expenses related to overseas activities…
A: Air tickets, accommodations… and any expenses related to the activities were covered by the company. Neither 3 nor all 5 members of TVXQ were forced to one-sidely account for those expenses.
Q: With regards to payments that were made in advance.
A: Regardless of the entertainment activities, the company will pay out (those advances) if it has been requested personally. Usually, these requests are made in the pretext of personal insurance payments, tax payments, fines or penalties, housing expenses, educational expenses and much more. The requests are made through their manager via the usual application procedure; the payout is made after the approval from the finance director and the CEO.
(Writer’s note: The amount of advance payment was quite large. It was about USD 900, 000 for all 3 of them…. Why did they have to receive such a large payout when they’ve earned so much money already? [T/N: Why didn’t SM just give out their earnings in the first place to allow the 3 members of pay taxes? Why did they give out these advanced payments instead?])
The payment has been reflected as money paid in advance on the nominal accounts. It will be reflected as a loan and normal employees have to pay interest when they request for these advance payments.
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Questioning by SeJong
Person to answer: Yoon Sung**, the person in charge of balancing accounts from the latter half of year 2007.
Q: During the meeting for revenue calculations, JYJ members, finance director, parents, and manager have attended. However, has there been a time when a legal expert or a financial expert took part in the meeting?
A: Occasionally there is. However, the 3 members have never requested for that.
Q: When calculations and checking of the revenues are made, you mentioned all the details/breakdown are cross-checked in 6 month periods… you show [the document] and get [the artist’s] signature, but do you show all revenue-related documents such as the contents of the bank account, receipts, album contract, commercial contract, overall contract and so forth?
A: We’ll show them if they request for it. But the 3 of them has never requested it.
(Writer’s note: so does this mean that JYJ has never seen such documents before?)
Q: There probably are circumstances whereby no contracts are written and transactions are made through cash. Under these circumstances, are there any ways that JYJ will be able to check and rectify the contents?
A: No.
They spoke about issues with regards to the calculation of accounts for the latter half of year 2008, from July until the end of the year, including commercials, photo book, goods, overseas activities revenue calculations, local album sales revenue (Mirotic), and so forth…
Q: For example, were the payouts for attendance of fan sign meetings and other 60 small or so activities and publications events revealed?
A: We never did. These are not subjects of accounting calculations. And, small amounts of attendance payouts are not subjects of accounting calculations (those about 20~300, 000 Won; USD200 ~ 270). They had many activities that DIDN’T have payouts for attendance. Under the contract terms, the full amounts of revenues for those non-regularactivities like publicity events will all go to the company [T/N: BTW, these “non-regular” activities include the regular appearances TVXQ had on music programs such as music core, popular song, music bank, etc. AND their appearance on variety shows such as X-Men, Happy Together, Come and Play, etc.]
[T/N: is a contract which provides no compensation for an activity, however small, really fair? 60 or so small events paying out about USD 200-270 each really does add up. And think about how many of these small events TVXQ must have had throughout their career].
From the money earned from TVXQ’s activities, fees such as transportation, food and snack expenses, are all shared among the members and company under a proportional rate.
Q: In 2009, for the incomes which falls under digital music, 10% has been accounted for in the account balance calculations. However under the distribution allotment [of the contract], from the total revenue amount of USD 530, 000, there should be a payout of USD 58, 000 but there was none.
A: I’m unsure about this.
Q: From 2007 to 2008, under the contract which promised [TVXQ] a payout of USD 3 million for attending Seoul and Asia concert-related events, the public relation agency promised to account for all related expenses. However, TVXQ was charged USD 800,000 for expenses [T/N: under the contract, this should have been covered by the public relation agency]. Why is that so?
A: I’m not sure.
Q: With regards to albums, once the sale of the albums has started, there will be one balance calculation after 2-3 months. Is there no more balance calculations with regards to album sales after that?
A: During the calculations, we will have a forecast of the possible album sales after that [2-3 month] period of time and make payouts based on forecast.
Q: For instances like the Mirotic album, the album sales was a total of 540, 000 copies. The initial sale was over 460, 000 copies for a period of 4 months. Based on the balance calculations on 5th February 2009, about 12, 000 copies extras were considered so for convenience sake 480, 000 copies to be sold were forecasted and put into calculations. HOWEVER, if the sales EXCEEDS 500, 000 copies, there was a condition stated on the contract that there would be an ADDITIONAL payout of USD 44, 000 to each of the members. Perhaps, it is because of this that there was a RUSH to conclude that the album sales would be of 480, 000 copies?
A: I don’t know.
Q: After Mirotic, was there an additional payout of USD 44, 000?
A: NO. From what I know, the album has not exceeded [500,000 copies]. [T/N: Actually, according to a statement released by SM themselves on 1/8/2009, SM states that “Mirotic” exceeded selling 500,000 copies (502,837 albums total on 1/8/09) source –http://www.mydaily.co.kr/news/read.html?newsid=200901080837271131. Where is the USD 44,000 that SM owes to each member?]
Q: Under instances that the sales exceed 200, 000 copies, [members] are promised a payout of 5% of the album sales but, based on the album sales of USD 3.7 million, (the payout) should be over USD 176, 000. Why was USD 88, 000, an amount much less than 5%, given as the payout?
A: it’s not 5% of the lump sales, but based on section criteria. Like, how many percentage if it’s over 10, 000 copies and how many percentage if it’s over 100, 000 copies. Using this method, the payouts would fall between 2~5% (of album sales).
Q: It is said that the members would not need to be accountable for any expenses in relation to album production. What are the categories that this particular expense falls under?
A: Filming of jacket, printing expenses, recording expenses, songs fees (T/N: payment for copyright of songs), filming of MV, dance chorography are all… inclusive..
Q: However, (looking through expense report) MV production fees, showcase fees, and even international calls fees are all being accounted for by the members… why?
A: it is not everything, but there were probably parts of the expenses that were being used for broadcasts. From what I know, those kinds of expenses are being categorized as PR expenses. [T/N: Refer back to Yoon’s answer in the previous question. He HIMSELF stated that expenses for MV production were inclusive in SM’s coverage for album production. He is contradicting himself here.]
Q: Under the exclusive contract, production fees are being termed as operating expenses, so the company and members are both accountable for these expenses. However, members were held accountable for accommodation expenses, cleaning lady expenses, parking expenses, car gasoline expenses, external security expenses. Why?
A: I’m not too sure. The payment document that came from the production team has different colors and differentiates accordingly… the finance department will then classify those accordingly. [T/N: according to reports from fans who got a close look at SM’s expense report, SM held members accountable for the smallest things such as Junsu’s cold medicine -_-]
Q: With regards to issues of overseas revenue in 2008, TVXQ only is responsible formaking USD 880, 000. Who is responsible for the remaining USD 11, 500,000 worth of revenue? SNSD started their activities in Japan in 2010 August. Who are the ones who brought in those revenue?
A: The revenues come from Go Ara, Trax, CSJH, BoA’s activities. (Writer’s note: Everyone present laughed.) And, the company has other revenues that have nothing to do with all these artists. Japanese activities have accounted for 70%.
[From @Spring_Breezes:
Boa, CSJH and the Trax ALTOGETHER sold the following number of albums and DVDs in 2008. : 65,750 (single album), 185,388 (reg album), 25,695 (DVD). Go, Ara did one drama “누구세요” (“Who Are You?) in 2008 according to wikipedia.
I’m sure these artists generated other types of revenue for SM other than what’s listed above. They are talented ppl and fans loved/still love them. But loyalties from these four artists/groups for 2008 is… 13.7 billion KRW? Really? Based on the number of albums and DVDs sold in 2008, it’s hard to believe that they made that much in 2008, don’t you think?
Cr: 김떡뽂 at DC Inside + wikipedia ]
Q: According to Japan Tax Law, after calculations of the Japan tax, (roughly USD1.1 million) the payouts are made, and of course after the deduction of corporate tax in Korea, USD 1.1 million should have been received… how was that portion of the money being accounted for?…
A: (the question was ambiguous so it was passed)
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(Writer’s Note: The hearing ended with talks about the next hearing which will take place on 19 April at 2pm.)
Translated by: Inhye87 of withJYJ
Edited by: withJYJ
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[INFO] Fan account of court hearing on case b/w JYJ and SME (3/15/11) [Posted 3/21/11]
[Translator withjyj T/N: Please note that these are all fan accounts written by fans who attended the 15 March session. As all these are based on what they heard/see, there could be some discrepancies. Read and interpret as you may. We are facing time constraints to translate all fan accounts. It will be posted as soon as we translated.]
PART ONE
—SM’s lawyer questions and Yun XX’s answers (parts marked with ‘=’ signs are answers) —
1. The balance accounts are calculated in periods of 6 months.
-it’s written on the contract that the calculation will be done every 6 months.
-Based on the release of 2 full albums in a year.
-Overseas revenue calculations are based on periods of 6 months.
2. There are no issues with the 6 months revenue calculations.
3. Revenue and expenses, advance payments and more are calculated and after which, the signatures of the mentioned and his parents are received.
=the affected contract (Eg. CF) are being executed and, it was verified once again using the exclusive contract. The company had received checks from auditors and payouts were distributed out accordingly as stated by the audit. We even go through with the mentioned person.
4. Did the 3 members paid for all overseas expenses?
=It was paid by the company and the artists. The Japan activities were being bear by Avex. We pass it on to the 3 of them if we receive expenses paid out from Avex.
5. What are the contents of the 3 person’s advance payments?
=Those are personal expenses not related to any entertainment activities.
6. Under what kind of situations did the 3 asked for advance payments?
=tax, education expenses…
7. Any regulations to advance payments?
=yes. If the manager submit for advance payments accordingly to the advance payments regulations… (the later part of this conversation talks about the payouts of those advances and I have problems with writing that. It’s best if you’d read it from other fans accounts.)
8. The 3 members made their own request for advance payments.
=it’s not regulated to give out advance payments but the payout was made.
9. Do you hold the funds that are in contract with the advance payments?
=no.
10. Has there ever been a refusal for advance payment requests?
=no. I allowed the advance payments.
11. What kind of subject is advance payments classified under?
=emergency money. There’s interest for loans. (There’s a need to check and confirm if there is or there isn’t a claim for the advances. Please check it through other fan accounts.)
12. In 2010, are there any advances requests? (Shouldn’t it be 2009? Please check through this!)
=there’s health insurance and car prepayment fee; something similar.
PART TWO
— JYJ’s side lawyer’s objection questions (sign ‘=’ represents the answers)—
- During the revenue calculations meeting, witness, finance director, 3 members of JYJ, parents, manager are said to have attend but, is there anyone who’s an expert in the law field or the accounting field?
=no. - Those artists who are signed under SM, their parents are not experts from the accounting field, are they?
=I’ve no idea about that. - The documents are all prepared by SM’s employees?
=that’s right. - During the revenue calculations, all documents with regards to the contracts made have been shown to them?
=the contracts concerned have been shown to them. - Did the 3 of them request for it?
=because they didn’t request for it, we didn’t show it to them. - Are there any ways/possibilities that the 3 person could have checked about issues not stated on the contracts?
=the manager did write about it. - The manager is also an employee of SM.
- There are no payments of attendance fees made with the title of “public relations events”.
-with regards to broadcast performances, small scale events, when the attendance fees were requested, were they being revealed?
-fan sign event, (didn’t manage to write down the name of the event) was it not part of the revenue calculations?
=public relation broadcasts were not considered to be part of the revenue calculations. USD20~30 attendance fees were considered to be expenses. - With regards to the mentioned issue above, there were persistency requests, but was it revealed?
=up until now, we did not let it known. - Are you able to reveal the attendance fees?
=yes. - Were there event fees for the sign event?
=no. - Did SM paid for all expenses that incurred during the public relation event?
=SM paid. - If you look at the document submitted, there was a request for the expenses for broadcast appearance.
=requested it. It was not the portion for public relations but for broadcasting. - The revenue for digital music, the calculation is 10%. If you look at the revenue calculation for the first half year of 2009, revenue for digital music was not included.
=I am unable to check it right now. (T/N: he doesn’t have the documents to verify it since he’s in the court.) - With regards to concert contract (in 2006…)
=because I became the person in charge in 2007, I’m unsure of that. - If you look at the contract with Dream Maker Entertainment, the expenses are being covered by the principal agent (Dream) and SM paid USD3 million for the event. It is stated in the contract that with regards to all expenses, Dream will be the one paying for it but, what’s the reason for demanding an agent fee of USD800, 000?=it was a payment for another contract. There’s a need to check about that.
-the judge intervened at the mention of “another contract”. The judge said, “You’ll need to give an explanation after it has been sorted out.” And to check whether or not there’s the existence of another contract. With regards to this, the witness has to sort it out and give a revision to his statement.
=it’s for the sake of auditory checks. With regards to another contract, it is my (witness Yun XX) opinion. - Those imported Japanese version albums, how are the revenues being accounted for?
=written under the subject “loyalty”. - What’s the reason for separating the revenues from albums sales?
- (Writer note: I didn’t manage to write down the question.)
=there are different kinds of albums being put on sale. (Writer: did the witness did a reply for both questions 18 and 19 together or was it due to my lack of understanding, I won’t be writing about this portion. Please check from other fan accounts.) - Were the sales from the selling of Korean version Japanese albums being calculated into the payments calculations?
=they didn’t turn up for the payments calculations for year 2010 so we didn’t give it to them. Calculations were being done for the other 2.
*The objection questioning for this part is too long so I’ll give it a miss - Did you know that there are differences to the initial calculations made? The album sale from Hug in 2004 was calculated once in September 2004. Was there no additional of revenue?
=I do know about it. - With regards to album sales, in order to not to have to do an additional calculation, another projected sale of 20, 000 copies were added on to the album sales. Do you know about this?
=Yes. - For instances like Mirotic album, in comparison to ‘Hug’, the copies sold were 40,000 copies more.
=We wasn’t able to project the album sales. - It exceeded 500, 000 copies. The witness had used 480, 000 copies as the total project album sales during the revenue calculation. What’s the reason for that?
=for convenience sake, 480, 000 copies were projected. For what I know, during that time, (album sales) was over 460, 000 copies. Because it is about 460,000 and a few thousand copies more, we projected it to be 480,000 copies. If there’s any additional (sales), we’ll calculate and give. - If album sales exceed 500,000 copies, during the next album, each member will be given an additional payout of USD44, 000.
=There wasn’t any album release after Mirotic. - It was mentioned that the revenue distribution was 5% for 200,000 copies. For instances like Mirotic album, the total revenue distribution was not even 5%?
=I need to check about that. The revenue distribution was calculated based on different circumstance for album sales. - You didn’t ask them to be accountable for album production fees?
=yes. - What are album production fees?
=recording fees, song fees, jacket filming fee… - Dance chorography fee and MV production fee are all paid for by SM?
=yes. - MV production fee and of course even expenses like international calling fees are being demanded (to be paid for by the members).
=because MV is accountable as broadcast setting, it is therefore activities fees. - Housing maintenance fee, fees used for maintenance of housing, guard cost, is not payable by the company?
=the cost was being shared. It is termed as operational fees thus it was accounted for. - In 2008, there was an entry of USD13, 055,062 revenue as royalty. (submit document) And it was calculated that TXVQ accounted USD889, 000 for that. What is there a difference?
= USD13, 055,062 was resulting from BoA, Trax, CSJH and so forth overseas revenue. - (The writer did not manage to write down the question. Sorry.)
- During 2008, from the looks of the revenue from sales of Japan, TVXQ’s revenue was exceptional. Did BoA and Trax have activities during that same period of time?
=I need to check up on that. - SNSD started their activities in Japan in 2010. (There were talks about other groups but the writer didn’t manage to write it down. Please read it from other fan accounts.) in 2008, for a period of 9 years, what is the importance/gravity of TVXQ’s Japan activities?
=It’s not small. - There was a notice for income tax deduction of USD1,066,192 in 2008 for overseas revenue of Japanese album. There was a notice for corporate tax for the amount paid on-site for overseas revenue. Is that not the amount of the revenue was?
=That was no revenue. (The judge did not acknowledge for that and requested the question to be asked and answered again accordingly.) - After the reduction of USD1,066,192, were the profits dealt out to the members with regards to this part?
=In my thinking, I do not think that USD1,066,192 is profits. - During May 2008, there was USD178, 000 that was used as an advance for rent. Is this not with regards to housing?
=No. The members have another accommodation and that was for personal property. - Did you keep documents with regards to AVEX?
=We do not keep for AVEX. I do have things that’s been given by SM Japan. (What kind of documents were mentioned but the writer didn’t manage to jot it down. Please reference from other fan accounts.) - Can you do a submission for that?
=yes, submission is possible.
Source: DC Gallery
Translated by: Inhye87 of withJYJ
Shared by: JYJ3
LMAOO from WHAT im reading. SM gonna get PAWNED in this hearing. I need to get my popcorn readdyy!
[JYJ’s law firm: Wow, so CSJH must make more money in Japan than TVXQ!
SM: …;;;;;;]
lol, sounds like a funny little comic with cartoon characters x)
LOL , i am going to google about CSJH who made 10x more money than TVXQ.. Sorry, honestly, never heard of that name… kekeee… 😀
oh, you better check them out. they’re great! girl group with the best vocals ever, imo, in kpop.
too bad SM had to drag their name into this…
They were amazing and deserved to be as big as TVXQ. And I’m sure they didn’t get paid either, just like TVXQ.
1 word: NONSENCE!!!!
Have I said how much I love jyjs lawyer!!!
i feel like i’m dieing in anticipation. csjh ? let.s not kid ourselves. thsk made sm sooooo much money it’s not even funny. just in 2009 or 10 .. they made the second highest earnings in japan .. second to arashi … thsk made like 100 and some mil.
Puahahahaha~ That’s so funny~ XDD
Thanks for give me a good laugh, SM~
LOLz — i though they have already manufactured a concrete lie — wahaha ! anyway that’s the only thing that’s gonna happen when they are trying to hide a truth so obvious than a pink elephant – funny SM
No offence but there’s no way these other people made 137 million while Tohoshinki only made 10 million.
2008 was THE YEAR OF TVXQ so 1 billion KRW sounds like a big fat pile of BS even to my eyes and I’m pants at all these business things and money counting.
*ears. :DDD
hahahahahhahahahaha
“so CSJH must make more money in Japan than TVXQ!”
lol…Nothing to say…..
Was the TRAX active in 2008?
yes, they’ve been active since around 2004-05
(they did triangle with boa and tvxq)
is TRAX still exist?i heard one of the members sued SM in the past for unfair contract and he won the case..
I don’t think they were active in 2008. They’ve been around, yes, but haven’t they restarted their activities just last year?
2008 was TVXQ’s comeback for Mirotic. I seriously doubt they only made 1 billion won that year.
Don’t forget about T album in Japan and also their concerts. 2008 is when their single Purple Line hit No.1 in Oricon Chart ^^
2008 was “Dōshite Kimi o Suki ni Natte Shimattandarō”. Every single for that year hit #1 on the Oricon chart (which doesn’t mean as much as it used to but still…)
I don’t know who SME thinks they are kidding.
BS SM!!! shame on you
yea, they’ve told so much farfetched lies that they cant keep it straight anymore~
Boa, CSJH, and The Trax? O____O
CSJH is a talented girl group but I doubt they (CSJH + Trax + Boa) could make more money than TVXQ.
Anyway, I wonder how this (who making more money than TVXQ info) affects the court ruling about the unfair contract. Did SM just want to tell the world they don’t get much from TVXQ so they pay the boys so little that they didn’t even keep the receipt?
i’m not hating on any SM artists, i never did, but i want to know what’s those lawyers been smoking. Boa, CSJH, The Trax??? are they serious?
BoA might have made a large amount in royalties because she has a large catalogue. That’s where artists really earn their money, when ever a recording is played. The more music you have out, the more royalties. But that only means she might have–at best–matched THSK for 2008, even if she wasn’t in the country.
@Eliza
Boa’s part might be arguable but the rest still made me go WTF?? Especially considering 2008 was the year AVEX went all out for THSK (the TRICK project was pretty intense) and it was their breakthrough year.
SM truly pisses me off, it’s one thing to take all their hard-earned money, but to the extend of denying their hard work is another level of evil smh.
Dude sm is stupid
If u were gonna lie because u cant keep up with ur accounting record, at least come up with a better number. How does that make sense that dbsk only make that muc in 2008 when they won the album of the yr award. Stupid.
Are they allowed to say something like this without some kind of proof?
They had no proof! one lousy piece of paper from ‘Hug’ days in 2004!?! They must think we’re all stupid; but the judge isn’t ^__^
SME is digging their own grave when they said that stupid statement….!!!! bwahahaaha.
You spoke my mind! they are digging their grave and i do hope they stay there!
Ah…but the fun part is that they keep digging. This means while the hole is getting BIGGER, they will have a HARDER time trying to get out of it. Brings a HUGE smile to face. 🙂
oh, SM, 13.7 billion KRW, I didn’t know BoA, CSJH, and The Trax made that much money! TVXQ, one of the greatest boybands in Asia, only made 1 billion that year huh? Wow, oh wow, joke of the day! *clap clap clap*
WHOSE Chun Sang Jee Hee??? NEVER HEARD!!! DAMN… ORICON CHARTS #1… BEST SELLING ALBUMS … WHO CAN SOLD OUT CONCERT TICKETS in MINUTES?? Who did a concert in TOKYO DOME?? ONLY TVXQ!!! Shame on you SM!!!
Who is CSJh? Are they famous? Why I never heard their name? So….SMe make a gag at court? Oh….please SMe…don’t you know words ‘shame on you’???
Did they really say that 0.0?
lol same here i never even heard of CSJH
CSJH was the famous girlband around 2004-2006
this girlband, well I say like TVXQ girls version
their voices were so amazing and also they were multitalented
but I dont know, CSJH just disappear like wind .. -____-
and be changed with SNSD ..
CSJH disappear with no any reason until now ..
and what in the hell SME said that TVXQ just made 1 billion KRW and the 13,4 made by Boa, CSJH, and trax?? when CSJH disappear like wind around 2006??!! duh, this jerk very clever even they can’t use their brain anymore -_____-
I never heard trax or CSJH could held concert in tokyo dome?? or even Boa?? I dont know -_____-
Shame on you, little bastard So Mean agency!!!!
CSJH has disaapeard in 2006?
then WTH sm told the money came from CSJH in 2008??
STUPID SM!!!!
@nialuvjyj
They disappeared from the Korean music industry near the middle or end of 2007. Afterwards, they focused on their Japanese promotions and released a couple singles and had some concerts. They released 2 Japanese albums in 2007 and 2009.
So yeah… SME’s argument is still invalid!
I like that cute name.. “So Mean” agency?? LOL
I dont know when exactly CSJH dissapear
but, as I know CSJH not exist anymore around 2007?? well, I must check it again ..
I already check it, and yes .. CSJH just appear until 2006/2007
but, in the end around 2007 CSJH was realy dissapear ..
you already know why CSJH not exist anymore around 2007, rite?? b/c SME has a new fresh girlband who made so huuuuuuuuugggeeee money!!!
and yes, SME just made another nonsense statement .. -_____-
duh, realy stupid jerk SME people
It wasn’t CSJH, it was TJCK in 2008. That was the girls’ year in Japan. They were starting to get established in the market and with THSK making Korean groups fashionable, they were getting good press. And they had the talent to back it up.
Were they making money in Japan? Absolutely. As much as THSK? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! No.
i need tissue.. i think i was laughing too much, that my tears started falling…
Cool statement, friend!!!! chua!!
oh, hi girl~ #givetissue
JYJ3 thanks in advance! Been waiting for this from this morning, been refreshing your page since this afternoon! 🙂 Just hope that stupid investor news dont have any impact on JYJ as a whole. LOL “so CSJH must make more money in Japan than TVXQ!” LOL. Who is he, anyway? Of course i know who is Arashi,I also have heard of the others, but i am clueless about this guy
CSJH is a SM’s girl group =.=
so they exist — hahaha! thanks!
i though they are just some iamginary fat lie since everyone seems to have never heard of the name..
@ngoc ha,thanks. Stupid of me to think its a he.LOL These Korean name really confuse me!
the judge must have refrained himself from LOL-ing =))
hahaha!
its seems that we come to the same country! can we make friends?
i meamt Ngoc Ha
but guys… CSJH is my fave girl group EVERRRR… theyre so talented yet SME neglected them.. so sad..
of course a lot of people can see csjh is such a talented girl group! they were supposed to be the parallel girl version of dbsk! just as good as dbsk but SM let them disappear under the radar for awhile sadly :/. all for what? only to make up with new groups who “make money”.
mee to i love their song which its duet with jaejoong, but because they dont sell in korea so SM disband them
ya..they’re so talented
but SM just *sigh*
Wouldn’t lying be called perjury which is contempt of court? Don’t south Korean courts have the same legal system as the USA? I’m sorry if my question sounds inane.
Maybe SM knows that the inevitable is really about to come (they have to pay JYJ), which is why they are passing off these lame figures as facts teehee
— thanks for this — got a reason to have a laugh — yeaaah! today is SM crack– how stupid!
I think SM finance executives are suffering from selective amnesia, maybe they forget all about TVXQ as far as money is concerned…
SM: …;;;;;; = SM: come again?
DAMN. never heard of the most stupidest (obvious) lie!!
and again, like everyone else.. who/what is chun sang jee hee??
Here is the link to one of my favourite PV’s of these girls: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLI5DnH9pus
^^
I’m watching the video without volume since its late here, don’t want to wake up my mother and my headphones are somewhere i don’t know LOL
wow the MV is hot!!
and the girls are so pretty!
Wow those girls were really good! Pity I didn’t know about them then… Well, it just shows how much SM was “promoting” them, I suppose. Pity that they disbanded.
wow..so hot & sexy 😀
too bad..now sm digging for younger idol for money than talent.. -.-
they should’ve consulted their financial executives first before they blurted such lie —
anyway — they do have talent — to make everyone of us laugh!! i just wish someone really blurted a good laugh on their faces — waha! can’t get over this. I thought SM will only make me grit my teeth once i heard their name — but booya— laugh = SM’s stupidity today.
How could they have said something like that in court? it’s a requiremjent i think that they should present proof, generally audited figures are requested as court evidence.. It either they forgot to consult their accounting people in order to say such a lie or they have a creative team in their accounting department to produce support to such a lie — at any rate, they are F-U-N-N-Y! I never thought they could be this entertaining!!
LOLz over and over!
SME kept on making excuses and even the judge had to stop them from talking nonsense! SME wont even submit the related documents in court! SME is definitely guilty!
2008 is the peak of TVXQ’s career! Trax + BOA cant even surpass TVXQ’s album and concert sales… AND TRAX + CSJH??? they’re not even active a long time ago!
Stupid reason from SM
Urghh! SME, you just insulted Big East big time!
I have no idea what SME is smoking but I want some of it. -______-
BoA hasn’t been selling as well as she use to and correct me if i’m mistaken but didn’t the Trax just come back on January of 2010? The Trax and CSJH aren’t known to be the best sellers of SME so I have no idea what SME is trying to say by bringing them up. CSJH have been basically thrown into the SME closet and since 2008 they’ve only released a couple of songs. Their Korean comeback was just recently announced as well after like 4 years of hiatus. Plus 2008 was the year that Tohoshinki started to become big A listers in Japan AND it was the year of Mirotic, the first Korean album to surpass sales of 500,000 in SIX years. SMDH @ you SME. All I hear from you is whiny excuses.
For those who don’t, CSJH The Grace is the female counterpart of DBSK. They are a super talented female quartet group who can basically out-sing and out-dance a good chunk of the female groups out now. They are an extremely talented bunch and not your typical female idol group. The biggest reason why a lot people haven’t heard of them is because SME has basically locked them up in their basement.
CSJH is a good band what is the reason for SM to locked them up and stop promoting them?
i think because they dont sell well in korea, only in japan
I guess because they weren’t sexy enough… There are so many really talented, amazingly awesome singers in S.Korea, but because they don’t promote the sexy and cute image, they don’t sell that well. So SM, that cares for money only, removed CSJH from the market and made SNDS instead. Sex sells better than talent, it applies to female performers much more that male, from my observation..
@ItsMyFinger
agree with you…talented female group like Seeya and Davichi are talented but they’re not as famous as SNSD,KARA etc because they’re not promoting sexy and cute image..
@ItsMyFinger
I think they had trouble in Korea because they were too sexy. They had strength and talent. They were women, not little girls, and SME doesn’t know what to do with women.
Sorry but as i recall back in 2008..BoA, CSJH and The Trax. are not soo active in both korea and japan..as much as DBSK.. how could SM say that,, DBSK only made 1 billion won.. and the rest 13.7billipon won came from BoA,CSJH,,and The Trax.? fishy..
but yeah this made me crack..x)LOL…
dear SME, no accounting report = HOAX
so simple… please SME, don’t spread any HOAX
Agreee with You!!!!!!!!!
NONSENSE!!!!!!
please tell something more nonsense than this!!!
you could say TVXQ just make 0,5 billion instead!!!
whatever!!!!
everyone knows that you just telling LIES!!!
I think TVXQ make around 14 billion from that amount!!
“from snack costs and the SM Executive and Staff’s Gas Money and Parking Fees.”
These oily, greasy bitches…
LMAO i’m sorry im totally angry right now as well, but you’re choice of words were spot on!
“snack costs” xDDD DID CHAGMIN ATE SO MUCH? O_O
SM IS SOOOO STUPID
LOL @ changmin eating so much!! damn if it is then changmin is at fault here! joke! haha
No wonder the earning was..
LOL Poor Minnie and his healthy eating habits 😀
With the stupidities SM’s lawyers performed in court today, I guess we should be grateful they didn’t accuse the boys’ of eating up the money.
And I’m actually pissed at money going to “snacks costs” because judging from the boys’ look it weren’t them who were snacking. They were so skinny at many times, JJ was godawful thin in 2006-early 2008 (T tour), he would benefit some from those “snack costs” along with other members >_<
SM are lying without battling an eyelid… hahaha… who will believe such nonsense!!! Yr2008 was the YEAR for DBSK… They made a comeback with MIROTIC and their albums selling like hotcakes with sales more than 500,000 even though it’s only released in Sep 08… Their japanese singles topped the oricon chart and break records held by foreign artistes with the most No.1…. They held their 2nd asia tour concert across Asia and 3rd live tour concert in Japan… So who will believe that the TRAX and CSJH did better than DBSK??
I know who will believe it: crazy people! lol
Was today the final hearing? If it isn’t, does anybody know when the next hearing would be?
I’ll wait for the detailed post so that I can fully understand and grasp what happened. ^_^ But I still seriously doubt TVXQ only made 1 billion won for SME in 2008.
From what I heard, another hearing(?) is going to be on April 19th.
“That members had to pay for included everything, from snack costs and the SM Executive and Staff’s Gas Money and Parking Fees.”
Do I need to take a chill pill coz right now I’m so ready to go and drop a bomb on the SME bulding. ://
in case u need a helping hand on this mission, drop me an email… LOL
I second that!
it is my pleasure if you let me take a part on bombing SME building !!!XDD
yihaaaaa… the light of JYJ’s victory is seemingly brighter !!! lets wait for another stupid counter argument from SME at 19th april ..
and justice will be revealed soon !!!!!!
hwaiting..
Seriously SME thinks everyone is stupid.
We are freakin hardcore DBSK fans (or were) we all know that even
at the point of the boys smallest sale would make more than 1 billion KRW.
wohoooo~~ I can hear everybody screaming out loud “hakunamatata!!!” xDDD
this!! even I can smell victory of JYJ =DDD
teheeee~~
well I say, SME such as stupid loser jackass who don’t what the meaning of the power of fandom and honesty!!!
liar are always be a liar …
right — hahahah ! I now smell the breeze from SM’s Doomsday!
OMG… SM accepted all shows/appearances w/o compensation for the boys since its promotion “accdg to sm’s term”. they travel a lot appearing on those shows and the GAS fee/parking/staff’s food/etc will be deducted from the boys?????
THEY WERE OVERWORKED w/o profit and yet they will get DEDUCTION???
SM: Of that, the portion from TVXQ was only 1 billion KRW. The rest came from BoA, CSJH (Chun Sang Jee Hee), and The Trax.
JYJ’s law firm: Wow, so CSJH must make more money in Japan than TVXQ!
SM: …;;;;;;
Today’s Hearing revealed that the “Expenses” that members had to pay for included everything,
from snack costs and the SM Executive and Staff’s Gas Money and Parking Fees.
…I’m planning on dropping a bomb on SM’s building, anyone wanna join me ?
COUNT ME PLEASE!!!!!!!
Of Course I will definitely JOIN!!!!
me!! i’ll bring a nuclear bom to destroy SM until only ashes left
missile launcher, loaded and locked on target!
lol girls becareful…someone might report us to the police saying we are making evil plans here
i’m ready with you..i have prepared 3 ton missile to drop in SM building..
count me in!!
me to…
i jsut replied on someone’s comment… I will be ready for that…. LOL
I’ll bring the matches, oooo wait a minute, do U need matches to set off a bomb???
ok, i’ll bring the booze to celebrate after we’re done!! ^_~
i barely ever heard of csjh; i think i’ve only seen them participate in smtown only now
really?! tvxq/dbsk/thsk only produced 1 billion Krw? wheres the logical in your math?!
and whats with the fees?! i get members should somewhat pay but how expensive do the costs have to be?! are they like paying for valet parking!? parking and speeding tickets?!
just cause tvxq were bringing in the big bucks doesnt mean they could freely spend with no worries; the members arent willing to foot the ENTIRE bill! they’re not COMPLETELY idiots to be controlled by a puppeteer!
lol! The part with the JYJ lawyers made me laugh so hard.
“from snack costs and the SM Executive and Staff’s Gas Money and Parking Fees”
That’s so unfair and ridiculous. SME is seriously an embarrassment right now.
Court adjourned. Hearing will be delayed till the 19th of April.
Damn!!!
What the hell is the Korean legal system doing?!!!!!!
Shadow,
OK everyone, let’s take a deep breath. Here is the unfortunate part. EVERYONE’s legal system operates on a snail’s pace. I know it’s hard, but this is what happens. Here in the States, it is no better.
This is just an example of how Lady Justice works. She is not known for running at a fast pace. Look at it this way. JYJ’s life is going on. They will prevail. 🙂
Sad to say but I do know how inefficient most courts are.
Just feel so terrible for the boys.
Damn SM will continue to make life difficult for JYJ and those useless broadcasters will use this as excuse again.
Just hope it will end soon.
I know that all of us would like to see the end soon, but I think the court is doing the best they can. We have to keep in mind that this is not the only case the court has in its dockets and has to be tried, and that they schedule a lot of cases for hearing. To be honest, I’m actually surprised that the next hearing is already set for next month. That’s earlier than I expected.
And I’m not surprised if there are more hearings after this one – there’s been only three so far (excluding the one that was postponed), and I doubt if all the evidence have been presented yet. I expect that we’ll be waiting for a little while more, but at least the case is moving along.
I’m sorry if I’m assuming, it’s just that I find it a bit unfair that the courts are seen as inefficient.
@Aki
I think in this case, at least, the court IS inefficient.
How could then be explained the numnerous times the court allow SM to delay the hearing by NOT presenting relevant documents and witnesses the court called for?
Aint it possible for the court to seize the documentations by a court order or something?
The court aint getting any good reviews from me by allowing SM to continue to fool around.
As for the rest, let’s just say it’s a pretty common view that courts deal with civic lawsuits in a snailpace. 😛
WOW.. so should that also mean that..they also pay for staying at dorm??? nyahhahahha.OMG… i just wish that it was this SM who have been in tjsunami and not japan.. SM deserve more than :D.. i maybe bad.. but i think SM are worsth 😀
i like ur wish… the tsunami only comes up to SM and wipes it out then goes back to the sea… 😀 what a cute imagination@@
As far as I know, if you want to enter an amount as expense, you must have bill for it. I wonder where they can get bill for snack and gas and parking fee.
Bills and receipts are hardly difficult to get, ask the Chen family in Taiwan, they had loads…
i seriously want SME to be struck by lightning!
OH MY GOD IMMAH GET YOU SM!!!!!!! How patient have the boys been i would’ve gone ape s***
O.O
if they wanna lie, at least make it believable seriously. just laughable
On the 50,000 USD Due to the Members After Mirotic Sold Half a Million Copies
(Under the revised contract, the members were supposed to be paid 50 million KRW (50,000 USD) if they sold over 500,000 copies of an album. Mirotic sold about 540,000 copies.
Court: So why didn’t you pay the Members the money?
SM: Your Honor, Mirotic only sold 480,000 copies. We were supposed to pay only if it sold over 500,000 copies.
JYJ’s law firm: But Mirotic sold 540,000 copies. *shows evidene*
SM: …;;;;;; Well, we were supposed to pay only on the condition that there be a next album… and
Court: Stop. Not Accepted. (SM rejects SM’s excuse and finds that it was unfair that the money was not paid.)
———————————-
Just LOL-ing like crazy ass!!!!!! xDDDDD
I love the way court were cut SM statement!!!! just like “STOP you are a liar!!” LOL
SM why u are sooooo stupidddddddd!!
because they haven’t any brain!!!! xDDD brainless~~ wkwkkkk~~
A++++++++++++ they should make a better lie actually. i can’t stop LOL ing
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA~~~
SME shud go to the Land of Oz and ask the Wizard for a BRAIN!!! ^_~
i smell victory for the Boys !! wooot-woot!
I had to cover my mouth from laughing out to hard as its only 7 am here, my dad is sleeping in the next room next to me. but boy if he wasn;t sleeping, i would be laughing out very loud right now.
someone should really make a comic strip out of this LOL
second you…
LOL..
I AGREE !!! I’M ALSO laughing like a maniac here !!!!
Judge: STOP. NOT ACCEPTED. you are a stupid liar, SM. you’re making me laugh. stop it before i can’t hold it anymore
🙂 🙂
HAHAHAHA~~~ u got me!! xDDD
omo~~ I cant stop laughing when I read ur comment!! wkwkkk~~~
agree… probably become the best comic ever….
u know what, i dun want 2 say this but i really3 hope sm go bankcrupt…… hehe
is it wrong??? (innocent eyes)
no!!!you are rite~~~if sm bankcrupt….all sm artist can leave more happily…..thy dont need 2 worry about tht…coz thy hav talented…every company in korea will fight as long thy get all sm artist work undr thm….on tht time…sm was the one who will be suffr!!!not sm artist…coz the one who has no talented is sm~~~~
so go to the hell lol sm…ur place jus in the hell…thts more bettr 4 smone like u…
FULL payment to TVXQ b4/until bankruptcy pls!! HAHAHAHAHHA!!! XD
@rineml
SME will be bankrupt is they pay TVXQ what they owe them!! ^_~
@rineml
SME will be bankrupt if they pay TVXQ what they owe them!! ^_~
i can’t wait for the whole account of the hearing and have more amazing laugh —
ooohh, i bet that SM representative’s gonna get a good scolding from SoMeone..he better pack his things..
guys, is this for real??? O_O
i mean, how come a court became such a non-sense like this? LOLLL
SM, come on, u just put urself even lower… ~_~
i think they are just gonna milk the earnings of the other groups if ever (quite likely) they would be obliged to play the members equitable share in the earnings plus damages — hahaha!! head to the ground SM!
I mean pay — still can’t stop laughing
yeah i think so too, sad for them who still defend SM, they only using you. but i hope sm can make the share holder pay it will be better right
If only I was there to see SM lawyer face when the court said “Stop. Not Accepted.” OMG ill LMAO at the court so bad.
Though SM’s excuses do sound ridiculous, I want to wait til I hear a verdict with the courts in JYJ’s favor before I start mocking and pointing! 😀
yes your right but it’s still funny, i hope all goes well on april 19 too
this is so funny! i need more of this! the best drama to watch sm getting pawned! =D
today is the last hearing right?..or will there be another one?..can anyone please answer, thanks in advance
next hearing april 19
WTF, just give us a verdict! LOL, no offense but that’s what I’m thinking 🙂
is this really a hearing ?? if yes it is, then why am I LMAO soo bad. i feel guilty.. HAHAHA
SM, FUCK OFF NO MORE TALK!!! (hoping that the judge will say that LOL)
“SM, FUCK OFF NO MORE TALK!!!”
followed with choir by all of the people in the hearing :
mission make it
mission make it
mission make it
make it go
LOL 😀
haha…so hillarious…
mission make it
mission make it
mission make it
make it go~~~
haha..
well, the judge must learn those words to chunnie~~ xDDD
question: so was someone from dcgall there during the court hearing? did the SM side question any witness about JYJ?
haha it is fun reading this.. kekekeke..
although there was no final verdict passed today–i am glad that SM was totally put to shame!
JYJ hwaiting!
oh well, this is out of topic .. but in the other article talk about Investor Sues Rights-Holders for Fraud, I don’t get it -_____-
so what was going on?? in here I laughed like crazyass, but in other hand I feel so worried
no need to worr y gal, it is just something not related to JYJ,,, Just some ppl trying to make money out of our boys like SM..
Damn,, WHy are our boys always treated like money making machine??? Well, i guess they are too famous and commercial…
Weren’t SME’s lawyers embarassed with what SME’s trying to make them look like? They already look like idiots with no credibility… That’s what you get when you don’t know how to defend the wrong side anymore… they’re giving stupid reasons that won’t even pass a Mid-school debate… ITS a SHAME ON THEIR LAW CAREER TO BE TRAMPLED LIKE THAT … SM MUST ME PAYING THEM A LOT!
Ah… Justice! LOL! Finally!
oh my god…this is sooo ridiculous that it seems like some girl fandom made this xD
“from snack costs and the SM Executive and Staff’s Gas Money and Parking Fees”
SM: You honor we have some evidences that show that members ate a lot during 2004-2009 work days *shows all the videos of dbsk members eating on dvd, shows appearances, staff’s pic, etc.
COURT: O_O *whoa…they really are talking serious*
SM: And you honor we have evidences that shows how much dbsk travelled until 2004-2009 *showing all dbsk’s fandom pics on airport and shows ALL the appearances on shows*
JYJ’S LAW FIRM: You honor..am i the only one who thinks this is ridiculous!!!!!!!!?????
COURT: No…you’re not…trust me…
SM: You honor…we just want our bank account…*cough* i mean…our boys…our kids…our members…our group backs…we miss them like a father miss his lost son…remember that SM is like a family…and we have some evidences that shows that is true…lets see this videos that shows….
hahahahahah i can go on…but i have to keep studying xDDDDDDD
SM REALLY MADE MY DAY…HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAAHAHAHAH
hahaha…so stupid sm..
I loved that dear!
This is lovely~
OMG,, ROFL… Please, let me sleep… i cant sleep cuz of ur joke…
woah…you’re smart
BWAHAHAHAHAA
you r really thoughtful person kanu!!XDD
ten thumbs up for you !!!
from snack costs and the SM Executive and Staff’s Gas Money and Parking Fees ???? hey 5tvxq is not the employer but employee , how they are the one who pay sm staff????…sm does not make sense
Aside from ROFLMAO, I have one suggestion for SME. If you really want to make some money off of JYJ, here’s what you do. Seriously. Get a good comedy writer to script THIS hearing. Tidy it up in a neat little package, take it HOLLYWOOD, and SELL it! Comedies are really big right now, ask Tyler Perry. The man makes money hand over fist making people laugh! This will sell like hotcakes! I swear it will.
Now onto more serious considerations…
This is so incredible on so many levels. It’s just hard to imagine. Even though this is a brief summary, it is very telling. I’m sure a more detailed one will be even more informative.
However, I am having a hard time imagining ANY professional attorney agreeing to go into a court of law with this pack of nonsense. One’s reputation should be upheld at all costs. It appears as if this is not their legal team’s first consideration. They better hope SME pays them well, cause I can only wonder who will want their services after this case is over.
SME…come on…like the judge says…STOP IT. This is embarrassing. No one with a functioning brain believes this horse manure. If you are going to tell lies, at least try some with a bit more imagination.
I’m trying to figure out how the rest of the industry can continue to hold you in such high regard with a performance like this. How can they possibly be afraid of you? If your lies are this weak, does this mean all your huffing and puffing about JYJ is really hot air? Cause no one with any serious balls could try and pass of something this lame.
I would suggest you prepare the check now, because you are going to owe some serious money after all is said and done. Oh yeah, don’t forget the court costs as well. Have a nice day now. 😉
I agree so much
Like seriously someone needs to do a forensic audit of SM cause it beyond clear that they’re hiding something very detrimental to them.
I just wonder — now that you mention audit —
were these things not uncovered during audits?
Its been years past and i’m sure companies as big as SM are required to be audited annually in order for them to continually exist with respect to their Securities and Exchange COmmission– with things getting this awfully terrible — i think a lot more would be dragged into this crap.
I just hope stakeholders of SM would be wise enough to request thorough audit of their earnings held by SM–
@ B1
that’s what am wondering. Their auditor could have agreed to some of the deception and if you get a good auditor you could easily hide some of these stuff.
A forensic audit is needed to check everything and whether there’s embezzlement of funds,fraud, if certain revenue were not accounted for, why the financial documents show that mirotic had 480,000 albums when in fact it well over 800,000. Some many issues do not add up and they need a forensic audit not a normal financial audit.
Like i said previously, i have no idea what SM is thinking but things can get potentially nasty. The government might be turning a blind eye to it cause SM is important for their Hallyu wave but if SM thinks that their ego and pride is more important and actually lets this sink deeper then enough skeletons will exposed that nobody not even the government can ignore and have to step in and do investigations.
really baffled as to how they can’t let this go and when this seems to be fire they’re playing with.
Hi there Butterfly! ^^
SME’s lawyers should fear for their careers ne? They hav basically made sure they don’t get another client after this case because of the stupid little story they brought to court today. It’s not only an insult on their part but an insult to the court for belittling their intelligence like that.
Tey should be ashamed of themselves!
@hakuna matata
I’m still mystified as to what kind of business tax returns they file, and what kind of end of year stockholder reports they issue. One would assume there is a certain standard that exists in fully democratic, economically sound countries.
How are they getting away with this nonsense? It smells an awful lot like cooked books if you get my drift. How in the world are they able to determine how much profit they made /year if they keep books this shaky? I would love to see a forensic audit. What countries does Korea NOT have extradtion with? Swiss bank accounts anyone?
@samvill
Hi Sweetie, how are you?
Yes, the legal team for SME appears to be more inept as time goes along. A good legal team would tell their client, ‘I can’t take this into court, they will laugh me out of there’. A good legal team gives their client advice about making fools of themselves and looking pathetic in court. Obviously, they aren’t giving their client good advice.
Something tells me they will wind up becoming ambulance chasers when this is all over and done with.
i am beyong mitified by the revenue authority in Korea. How can something like this happens even when you are seeing the smoke you’re still letting the fire burn.
If it were here, the moment something like this came up, the judge would ask for a forensic audit, if not the revenue authority would have done investigations.
i am beyond puzzled as to how things work in korea cause this is some shady stuff. Fact that SM has no documents for dbsk’s Hug earning beyond the 1st 3-4 months is basically fraud. I wish someone would just let the worms out.
@hakuna matata
All of this is makes me more certain than ever of why they are hounding JYJ the way they are. They KNOW their records won’t pass the daylight test, and for having to expose themselves this way, they are going after their pound of flesh so to speak.
Well, again, EVERY DOG HAS HIS DAY. I guess SME didn’t keep this in mind. I’m not losing any sleep for them.
They can hound all they want to. JYJ fans are NOT going anywhere! Knowing how big time their rip off scheme is, fans are going to be on them like white on rice now.
i don’t know how stupid SM is because the more people dig deeper into those financial statements the more they’ll know something doesn’t add up but yet SM can’t let go. Like wth is up with them cause anybody with 2 cents of a brain will let this die down fast so that the skeletons are revealed. Maybe its how the judiciary, or how things work in korea that they don’t care but this would be a company’s nightmare revealing imbalanced balance sheets knowing that the revenue authority will destroy you. Good example is Enron scandal.
@oo
“Good example is Enron scandal.”
I’ve made myself sound like a broken record mentioning Enron. Companies who think they are too big to fail, and those with that same mentality, forget one important fact. It’s the little things that catch you up short.
Here’s an American history lesson…the Watergate scandal that brought down an American president, Nixon…the whole thing started because the guys doing the breaking in, didn’t pay attention that someone (the guard) had noticed the tape holding the lock back and removed it. The dummies replaced it, he found it again, and this time called the cops.
SO, arrogance and stupidity brought down the leader of the free world. SME, what are your chances of surviving arrogance and stupidity? Dudes, it’s the ‘little things’ that make a difference. It can happen to ANYONE!
@Butterfly ^^
I just love how our brains work… *sniggers*
-__-” And I thought SM was smart…
Ok… I Love CSJH… They are seriously better than any girl group that exist now… Like waaaayyy better…
The members are:
1. Lina = People said that Taeyon from SNSD has a great voice… but it’s nothing compared to Lina, seriously… and Lina is VERY PRETTY and tall and looks a lot like model!!!
2. Dana = She is tall, beautiful, and has a great voice… do I need to say more?
3. Sunday = small, cute and pretty… Oh, and her voice is simply amazing!!! ^^d
4. Stephanie = I’ve seen a lot of K-pop girl groups… but, I have to say Stephanie has the best dancing ability… She is a ballerina and has an AMAZING body proportion.. *_* Oh, and she can sing too! Like really can sing!!!
And have you seen them live? Simply WOW…
I don’t hate SNSD… I like some of their song actually…and they are all very pretty… But, duh… they sound like a bunch of kindergarten kids who have only learn how to sing compared to CSJH…
However…
As much as I admire CSJH…
There is NO WAY they produced more money compare to DBSK, even after combined with BoA and Trax…
I’ve been collecting TVXQ videos – their MV, live, reality show, radio interview, etc2 – for months now… And Holly GOD!!!!
THERE ARE A LOT!!!
It has already reached 120 GB – and occupy most of my hard disk space…and I believe I haven’t got ALL of their Videos…
I also believe that there are a lot of other activities that wasn’t recorded in TV…
And SM said TVXQ only made 1 billion KRW in 2008???
Pfffffttttt…
They need to hire better finance manager…
i don’t its a better financial manager since the beginning SM has been trying to hide the financial worksheet of DBSK meaning there’s probability of underhand business was done which will get them into trouble if brought to light.
what is needed is a forensic audit.
*HUGS you for all the CSJH love* I miss the girls!!!
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SM.. You Fucking Bastards, Not Paying your Amazing Artists D: Totally Disappointed in youChor ices.
if JYJ does not win in this lawsuit.. the whole world will laugh at Korea’s justice system.. so i hope they get to close this already on the 19th specially if SM keeps on giving us all crappy stories.. wow they have to return every single sent that the boys earned.. SM gets all the pay but the boys have no say in the activities they get to do,, that’s pure ass… Every words in Yoochun’s nameless song is damn true.. now where the hotel girls and i’ll smacked it all against their faces.. calling Yoochun a liar now not even, SM’s own lawyers can save their lying ass of that pit.. now let’s do a rescue operation to the other 2 members (wait would they wanted to be saved??) and poor SNSD, SuJu, Shinee, F(x) now they have to earn back all that will be lost in this lawsuit.. SM definitely has to return the money that is due JYJ plus damages..
*every single cent i mean
They should also have to pay compensation to JYJ too, not just for the obvious greed & corruption, but also for their sheer bloody incompetence too. This actually says a lot about the Korean music industry if SM has been able to operate like this for so long, make billions & be so respected/feared/powerful. It’s just more proof that JYJ were always telling the truth, & again shows up the epic & unequal battle our boys have been fighting against with such courage, dignity & grace. JYJ fighting!
You are right…. i’m doing accounts so i know that regardless of how the company performs… employee’s salary will always have to pay out… expenses should not be charged under them… what’s the accountant of SM doing?? are they qualified?? i doubt so =)
@JYJ Love ~~~
the accountants for SME r prolly just doing as they r told, know what i mean?? they don’t wanna get beat up like the SME artists!! ^_~
yes exactly. I’m a finance major and i only took one accounting class so far …even i know this. I just have one thing to ask SM lawyers….”Really????”
Their accounting set up is not an accident. They know exactly what they are are doing. Every HONEST company has an operating budget. Hell, even the employees (read artists) salaries are part of that. Revenue helps balance the expenses, and leftover is profit. I’m no where near being an accounting expert, but I know that much.
SME figures they (shareholders and mgmt) will have more profit if the poor smucks who are doing all the work, pay for all the expenses. It’s worked up until now.
However, now the public is aware…The Emperor Has No Clothes.
@ BAF
Ah! But you’ve hit the heart of the problem — TVXQ are not employees according to the financial set up. SME is just their management company. They manage the boys’ money and their careers and then give them what’s left over. If there is nothing left over…*shrug* What can you do?
Now the contract on the other hand… *headdesk*
The whole business is disgusting.
@Eliza
SME is going to rue the day when they decided to continue to blow off JYJ. All they had to do was give them some rest, and pay them fairly. Now, they have opened up the flood gates so to speak. Everyone is looking to see what is behind those gates.
I always say…if you don’t want anyone to find out what you’re doing, don’t do it. Makes life a lot simpler that way.
Hi i’m in audit — and things like this actually cannot be solely blamed on the company’s accounting but also to those external parties that examine their books.
I just don’t know what their auditors were doing that it actually came out like this.
When ENRON collapsed it also dragged down their external auditor which is the biggest in US then, so they might as well brace themselves .
Exactly.
Arthur Anderson paid a HUGE price for going along with the deception, they are no longer in business. Why because that was part of the judgement the Attornery General’s office asked for, to shut them down for WILLINGLY going along with the practices. It does take 2 to tango.
** U.S. Attorney General’s**
I mean, seriously? SM can only produce 2004 statement? Really? and I thought they are such a big company? This should be an eye opener to those artist who are still under them. They should seriously think of their money. All we can see is their glittering smile in front of the camera, but reality suck..
Haha….sm like a kid who been caught stealing and try really hard to give an excuse. What a joke. I bet their lawyer must be looks like an idiot. They can’t think straight anymore. What a shame.
SM… i hate their CEO… they’re not fair to their artist… JYJ, hankyung… they all chose to leave… i can understand their decision but still… i cant accept that
Loolll!!!
Ngapain aja pas pengadilan ditunda?!?!
*stop after laughing so hard*
But the good part was not only this right??
I mean,, I don’t wanna dance when there’s still a lot of issues that aren’t good for us,,
HAHAHAHHA….thank’s for make me laugh like a drain because this is so Funnneeehhhhh…
1 word is needed here. Pwned.
WHAT A STUPID CRAP?! CSJH??? Never heard!!! what the HECK!!!
SM ENT has the stupidiest lawyer!!!The had 1 month to be ready and~~~ smash!!! none!!!
Ohh!!
I re-reading it and keep laughing here..
Seriously!!
Are they already give up on the court??
DAMN 147 replies…oh oooo
I have class. This is a must read when I get back.
LOL
where there’s smore there’s fire.
wish jyj’side would ask for a forensic audit of SM cause heavens know the can of worms that would be opened. The finances are their biggest BS and its so clear they’re trying to hide something.
SM better let this go cause if investigation is done into the financial worksheet seeing what they’ve said in court repeatedly then they’ll be in dip shit
From the very beginning SME didn’t take the lawsuit seriously and never payed any attention to details and what’s going on behind their back while they’re sitting in their leather chairs, laughing at our faces. They treated our boys like shit, but it had to end someday. Well, it seems like THE DAY is knockin’ at the door.
Karma is a bitch, and fans have a very good memory when it comes to certain things so say ‘bye-bye’ to your glorious days, SME, accept your defeat, pack your shit and disappear into thin air till it’s not too late.
SM….please..just stop all your lies, or it will destroy the company…. i pity all of you~~
JYJ and HoMin…gambatte!!! love you guys alwaiz~~
‘from snack costs and the SM Executive and Staff’s Gas Money and Parking Fees.’
it’s so ridiculous….SM you’re fucking bastard
Legit I don’t understand the korean government, police force or judiciary because its very clear some of the stuff SM has done like incomplete recording of Hug’s finances is a violation of the law, refusing to hand in documents/ handing in incomplete documents, giving BS answers that seem to be a clear indication that the probability SM broke the law is high. They need to do a investigation into this cause i don’t understand how they can ignore this.
I totally agree with you… the government should send an auditor to audit SM for it’s finances. SM’s accounting is in a shamble.
their big earner group doesn’t have a record after 2004? where did it go? in the secret black book? *we need to send Benjamin Gates (national treasure) to locate that secret black book, to straighten all this mess.
Exactly.
Maybe the court is going to do it this time. We probably won’t know what the court does outside of the court room. I hope they do.
oh they seriously have to stop this nonsense now
this is so embarrassing
go home and pray
sme
pray hard
ahahaha, I can’t stop laughing from start till the end when reading this post. I think SM wanna try a NEW SIDE JOB as COMEDIAN [?]
Ah, wish I can take a look in that court…the judge absolutely kick me out because I think I can’t hold my laugh in that room. LOL
What a stupid excuse from SM
all of their excuses show how stupid they are.
It just a matter of time SM must surrender from the fact that they GUILTY as it is!
This is sooo bizarre! I’ve been worrying for weeks about this court date & SM tactics & THIS is the best they can do?! I’m just stunned. If this is the best their lawyer can do, just how badly run is SM? As some have already suggested, it might be better for SM if they give in gracefully, shut their mouths & go home – before a whole lot of corrupt & dodgy business dealings come to light. Or better yet, hopefully the courts will really go through SM’s accounts & all of their business dealings with a fine tooth comb. How would that be for poetic justice – in trying to destroy JYJ SM could very well destroy themselves!
“This is sooo bizarre! I’ve been worrying for weeks about this court date & SM tactics & THIS is the best they can do?! I’m just stunned.”
I’m not making light, but I LAUGHED SO HARD at this part of your comment, thought my sides would burst!
“How would that be for poetic justice – in trying to destroy JYJ SM could very well destroy themselves!”
That would be the ULTIMATE outcome! 😉
“hopefully the courts will really go through SM’s accounts & all of their business dealings with a fine tooth comb.”
this is my biggest hope that it actually happens. Like common its damn clear that some doggy potentially illegal dealing happened.
stupid, ridiculous and embarrasing, SM XDD
I’m sorry if there are csjh fans here, but this is the 1st time i’ve heard of them.. and even if mirotic sold just 480,000, tvxq5 deserves a big and fat paycheck for all their hardwork.. seriously sm, what you presented is a joke.. was that all there is to this day’s hearing?
cassies, i know homin decided to stay with sm, but forgive my selfishness, i want to save them and take them away from sm.. kidnapping sounds good? i mean.. erm, i hope junsu, yunho, jaejoong, changmin and yoochun reconcile and reunite soon.. all this drama is making my heart ache.. i love dbsk5 so much..
This just reminded me of my love for CSJH and how I miss them soo and how everytime I see SNSD and their stupid pink balloons it pisses me off!!!
Regardless. No evidence or it didn’t happen.
they’re the female version of dbsk
Good singing, but I don’t appreciate how over-sexualized they were made. Makes them no better than the rest of girl groups when in fact these girls can put all those girl groups to shame with their vocals 😦
if only they were packaged because of their voices not the other… they are better to the present girl band…
sad but it’s true.
Is it just me or do u guys also think that SM is so childish in this case? I mean, it’s a court, which means it should be taken seriously. But, what did SM do? Joking around the court. (O.O). But thanks to SM, u made my day!
LOL! LOL! LOL!
SM!! how stupid are you!!!
Because I hate being lied to, I’ll refute SME’s first lie that in the year of 08′, The Grace, BoA and Trax made more than THSK/DBSK/TVXQ;
First The Grace activities in 08′
2008
“During the first months of 2008, The Grace still promoted themselves in Japan, performing on various events in support of their first Japanese album. They held three concerts in April and May named Graceful Party Vol. 1. The last one, at Daikanyama UNIT in Tokyo, featured Here, a new song in collaboration with hip-hop group Cliff Edge.
Their sixth Japanese single, called Stand Up People, was released on July 23. It featured Dear friend, a mid-tempo ballad, and remixes of the title song and One More Time, OK?.
Their seventh single, Here, reaching to #16 at the Oricon Charts with sales of over 16,000.”
This is all they did in 08′
Next Trax;
2008
“From late 2008 to early 2009, lead singer Jay Kim and lead guitar Kim Jungmo joined Super Junior members Heechul and Kangin as regulars in MNet’s ‘Band of Brothers'”
Next BoA (who technically makes more sense than Trax and The Grace -_-“)
2008
“Japanese album, The Face (2008) (The album debuted at the top of the weekly Oricon charts)
And American debut preperations from July to Sept. Later concentrating on Her American Debut for the second half of 08′
BoA was really inactive per se. Only released one Japanese Album(which met great results) and the rest of 08′ was American debut.
Now onto TVXQ/DBSK/THSK
2008
“TVXQ released their sixteenth Japanese single, “Purple Line”, on January 16, 2008. It debuted atop the Oricon, becoming the group’s first number-one in Japan and making them the first foreign male group to have a number-one single in Japan. They then released their third Japanese album, T, which debuted at #4 on the Oricon Weekly album chart. TVXQ’s label Rhythm Zone, announced the “Trick” project where five singles would be released consecutively for six weeks, from February to March and each single would contain a solo track by a member. The group released their twenty-second single, “Beautiful You / Sennen Koi Uta” in April. The single became another number-one for the group and made them the first non-Japanese Asians with two number-one singles since Ou-Yang Fei Fei set the record 24 years before. They returned to Korea to participate in the 14th Annual Dream Concert at the Olympic Stadium in Seoul on June 7. On June 12, TVXQ concluded their Asia Tour in Beijing which had begun on February 23, 2007 in Seoul. TVXQ returned to Japan and released their twenty-third single, “Dōshite Kimi o Suki ni Natte Shimattandarō?” The single topped the chart, making TVXQ the first foreign artists to have three number-one singles on the Oricon. The group’s fourth Korean album, Mirotic, was slated to be released on September 24 but due to the large number of pre-orders was pushed back two days. Like their previous Korean album, Mirotic debuted atop the charts with 307,974 copies sold. In early January 2009, the album’s sales totaled 502,837 copies, making it the first Korean album in six years to pass the 500,000 mark. In October, TVXQ released “Jumon: Mirotic”, the Japanese version of Mirotic’s title track. The single topped the Oricon chart, breaking the record that the group had set with their previous single. TVXQ attended Kōhaku Uta Gassen Music Festival on New Year’s Eve, making them the first Korean group to attend.”
Which Mirotic was later revealed to have sold 540,000 + copies (not counting how much it has sold internationally and in Korea the last 2 years from June 2009 till today)
Now with that said in 08′ Trax and The Grace (who didn’t have a full deadly schedule in 08) earned more than TVXQ/THSK.DBSK ???????????????? Really???????? TVXQ sold more Japanese Albums and Korean Album that year plus the fact that THSK and DBSK had a full year long schedule with breaking records in both Japan and Korea and only 1 billion was made from that?????? Either SME doean’t want to be guilty of knowing 08’ was DBSK’s year(meaning they sold the most) or they are too butthurt/bitter to succumb to JYJ claims of profit distribution.
Everyone in the world knows the truth…
Maybe SME’s lawyer didn’t know it? hahahaha
Really they look like an idiot trying to hide what is obviously “obvious”.
Is it even a Court trial? It’s really a shame on SM.
i’m looking at this in another perspective. i think what SME is trying to do is just delay the proceedings. they have the clout, they have the resources, they have the time, so in this respect they have succeeded in trying to delay the final verdict. it’s like laying a siege, you just have to block all exits and wait for the trapped to exhaust their resources. but i also think what they didn’t bargain for was the enormous support of JYJ fans, both old and new. they have fought tooth and nail to make JYJ’s plight public and gain grounds in this lawsuit.
hat’s off to all the fans. the mighty goliath will fall sooner or later.
which is stupid in their part. they’re trying to avoid the consequences because they know jyj has the bigger chance of winning the case. the more they delay it though, the bigger the fees they have to pay. some comments said that sm should just give in and give jyj the amount they deserve and compensate them for their lost but a part of me (bigger part) wants jyj to fight until the end and have the court side with them just so all of sm’s skeletons will be exposed.
SM has been cornered for a while now so the only thing left that they can do is try to delay the proceedings for as long as possible. They thought that they could play using the same deck of cards as before (JTL) but times have changed and so should they. Their biggest mistake throughout the whole lawsuit was thinking that the fans would give up on JYJ and that the boys would have no legs to stand on but they were terribly wrong! Before SM can do anything to JYJ, they’ll have to go through ALL the fans in order to get to them and that task is even harder to do than this lawsuit!
I agree YouMeLove.. and SM must aware about that…
You know it’s funny…there were a bunch of articles released not too long ago about JYJ donating to Japan with the likes of Yonsama, YG Entertainment’s CEO Yang Hyun suk and even some guy from BEAST. Then all of a sudden all of them are deleted an hour after they are released. I swear that I saw those articles with my own two eyes. I swear on my grandfather’s grave!
Methinks SoMeone is afraid of the goodwill that JYJ is generating and the three of them being compared to greats such as Yonsama and are acting out their psychological and developmental retardation by taking these articles down.
i also find it weird, the boys just on TV KBS news about donating to japan, but there are no news article write about them? and the amount they donate? weird
oh but there are…there are quite a lot of news articles about them appearing on KBS actually. It’s all but buried SM’s little news about Mr. Kim, Park or whoever suing Cjes keke ^^…also, no other news outlet picked up that story, so that report is highly likely to be false.
@jimmie…
oh… another rumor that are being made? the park against the kim’s, cjes & warner? it’s hilarious when I was reading that article. I pretty could say the title “How to trick Mr Park”
business is a deadly game… just like gamble, you win some, you lose some… too bad you lose today. 🙂
really ? i read in AKP about the donation and there is no JYJ, only JYP, BYJ, B2ST, and im waiting for JYJ since im sure they will donate
In the original articles, JYJ were clearly there…that’s why my naver news search picked up on them.
Now I’m more certain than ever that SoMeone interfered once again and got JYJ taken out. Pathetic…how long do you think you will last on this short-sighted strategy, SM? JYJ are already all over KBS news and the Korean twittersphere.
u can go and search from Sharing Yoochun.net … tey are going to donate but yet to know the amount…
Ha-ha-ha SM. Like seriously? Even though BoA’s like TVXQ’s sunbae doesn’t mean she makes more money, right? And for The TRAX and CSJH, well I don’t really believe they make such a big amount of money. SM you should ask me to teach you to lie, but since you’re a jerk so I won’t kehehe anw, SM suuuuccckkksss! <– doesn't mean the artists too!
AKTF!!
SM = (superdupermegauber) EPIC FAIL.
’nuff said.
ROFLOL! im laughing so hard my ribs hurt! sme is so FAIL!xD JYJ FTW!<3
hahahahahaha
*gelak guling2*
lawak antarabangsa dowhhh…bole masuk ujang!!
sme stop bitchin please…give back EVERY SINGLE PENNY that were meant for 5TVXQ!!!!
hey aku beli album tu sume supaya duit masuk poket dbsk la…bukan nak bayau duit minyak, makan minum kauuuu sm lahabauuuuuu
betol…betol…betol…
haha…perut sme beso sngt…2 psl die kebs duit 2….ko ptt p bedoh skit pert die 2…hasil duit haram….2 psl jd cm 2 tu~~~~~~~~~~
betoi3…. btw konsert jyj kat msia sill jd ke x????
aish tu pn satu hal lg….dah 16 mac wehhhhh
arghhhh organiser senyap je =.=
cane ni??? kalau xmo buat tu ckp je la, pas je kt organiser lain kn senang
Plz SM, admit your fault. It’s better than continue to say such stupid stuff!!!! The more you defend, the more insulted you become…Plz stop in time!!! I thought you’re good at lying and creating false testimonies…But i definitely got confused. What did you say at the hearing??? …lol…You should need a recorder for next time if you wanna know how stupid you are…
The funniest thing of the day. I feel like reading a funny comic.
SM: Your honor, pls return JYJ to us. We NEED them or we’ll not be able to pay OUR snack costs and OUR SM Executive and OUR Staff’s Gas Money and OUR Parking Fees and OUR pet’s food and OUR kimchi and OUR @$%#¥€€@$& etc…….
Judge: OH SHUT UP!! (throws his wooden hammer at SM’s lawyer)
LOL
LOL but i think it’s true though!
so, i believe this is what we call an EPIC FAIL for SM! o_0
but, i really can’t help but imagine the scenario in a comedy film
i’ve been waiting all afternoon for an account of the hearing. but in the meantime, i’m just checking back to read new comments on this thread. 181 and counting!
JYJ i-fans rock!
i feel so bad for jyj and dbsk. i feel worse even that homin sided with sm after what they’ve been through…this is so sad. how can a company/people be so cruel towards the people who give them success?! this is cruelty! i hope this will end soon and jyj can be seen freely on tv and broadcast networks.
There is no legal reason why they can’t be seen on TV right now. The end of the court case won’t put an end to the roadblocks keeping them from TV.
Can’t believe SM said that TVXQ only earned 1 billion KRW in 2008.
2008 was the year of TVXQ for God’s sake ! TVXQ was just everywhere this year.
MIROTIC became the best selling album in Korea in 2008 and sold more than 540,000 copies.
The album was even awarded at the “2008 Golden Disk Awards” with the “Best Album of the Year” award.
MIROTIC was also first on HANTEO 2008 Annual Ranking Sales Chart, and until now no other group was able to beat their record.
And The Trax and CSJH weren’t even that active in 2008 and neither was BoA. CSJH went kind of MIA at the end of 2007 and only released 2 singles in 2008(Stand Up People and HERE)and both singles had relatively low sales. And their popularity in both Japan and Korea was (and still is) FAR behind TVXQ’s, like REALLY far behind.(which is unfortunate because they are very talented, much more than a lot of other girls groups out there, it’s really a shame that they are so underrated…)
If I’m not mistaken The Trax didn’t release any album/singles in 2008. In fact, after Rose’s departure in 2006 they were pretty much inactive apart for some appearances/collaborations with SMTown, and more particularly with the SuJu members. They only made a come back in 2010.
In 2008 BoA mainly focused on the preparations for the start of her american career (her first US album was released in 2009 but her foray into the american market wasn’t that successful) so she wasn’t very active. She only released 1 japanese album in 2008 : The Face, and had one live tour for this album.
So who do SM think think they are kidding here ?
About the expenses I already knew they were deduced from TVXQ’s paycheck.
In the contract, it states that TVXQ must pay for all of the expenses required for their activities and this implies the wages for their managers and road managers. “TVXQ must pay for their travel fees and rent fees, as well as their meals, make up and coordinators’ wages, dance crew and any other stage crew costs. They must also pay for the wages of their managers’ monthly wages (The wages of the manager is 800,000 per month and the wages of road managers is 600,000 per month, and this increases by 10% every year.)”
Source : Tohosomnia
“For all other possible sources of revenue, SM subtracts from the total revenue all expenses, including salaries of other staff, stage preparation expenses, rent, travel expenses, food expenses, and the like, then gives TVXQ only a fraction of the remaining amount.
As for all other sources of income, the Contract states that TVXQ is entitled to varying percentages of the “net income.” The Contract defines “net income” to be the amount remaining after the applicable “operating costs”. The “operating costs” are defined to include such expenses that are traditionally expected to be covered by the employer, including but not limited to 1) salaries of the staff (manager, clothing coordinators, makeup artists, dance crew, and the like), 2) performing stage preparation costs, 3) living expenses, including rent and water/electricity bills, 4) travel expenses, including plane ticket costs, 5) meal expenses, and the like.
Even after all these “operating costs” are deducted from the net income, the Members are only entitled to a small percentage of the remainder while SM keeps the rest. ”
Source : DNBN
And even Isak said that expenses are deduced from their pay :
“They [the management companies] promise before you debut, ‘we’re going to house you, we’re going to feed you, we’re going to give you all the lessons you need. Do your best’ and then we think that that’s all free,” remembered Isak. She soon learned, however, that all the expenses that went into her upkeep, including stylists, salon visits, manager fees, food, and clothing, were deducted from her pay.”
Source : MTV Iggy interview with Isak
I also want to quote Eugene who was part of S.E.S and was also under SM so she knows what she’s talking about:
“SES Eugene expressed sadness regarding contract conflicts between Dong Bang Shin Ki and SM Entertainment.
In the recent SPN interview with Eugene, she said “Not only Dong Bang Shin Ki, there are many entertainers are undergoing a contract relation difficulties. It’s more like the artist who is engaged to the contract is not familiar with the contract itself.”
“Being compared to the past, I don’t know if improvement has already been made. The past period contract was relatively too long and not flexible.”
Eugene explained the reason why after a rookie gained popularity, he/she tends to involve in conflict with the agency, “When being a rookie, you don’t know anything. The officers asked to hold the contract term and conditions without any understandings from the artist. However, when the artist has already been aware, he/she finally read carefully the agreement details in the contract, that’s when most likely conflict starts to arise.”
“It’s also because the contract difficulty which rookie are having difficulties to follow. Agency should consider to set more flexible terms and conditions that has variables to adapt depending on the changing environments.”
Source: SPN
trans: sharingyoochun
And an other interview :
“Singer/actress Eugene talks about her views regard the discord between SM Entertainment and Dong Bang Shin Ki. She said in a recent interview, “Even though I don’t know the details, I hope both sides can settle this amiably.”
Eugene was from S.E.S under SM Entertainment debuting in 1997. S.E.S was one of the first girlgroups and had the concept of fairies and had made issues with their songs and costumes. After which, there were the other girlgroups like Fin.K.L, Baby VOX, Chakra. And then recently we have WonderGirls and So Nyeo Shi Dae etc.
Eugene said, “It is true that SM have a good training system for a big company. With that, there are many youths who wants to debut under these big companies and there are many cases of them signing long term exclusive contracts with the company. When the singers grow and develop, the contract should also change if not there will be piled-up unhappiness. It is a shame that companies take advantages of the weaknesses of these new singers.”
She added, “Recently when I look at the juniors, it seems that their schedule is so tight they can hardly breathe. It would be great if they are able to find happiness and influence through their entertainer activities and at the same time are able to improve on things like profits etc.”
credit: kbites
Yeah, anyone else that left the company is so not relevant to antis/hotel girls. You see in fine print that ALL of their artist prior DBSK debut left their sorry ass of a company and recited in their own words the SAME treatments that SME gave them when they were still in SME but NOOOOOOOO “JYJ are lying, ungrateful and greedy bastards who only want to make my OPPAR and UNNIE’s company look bad. SME HWAITING!!!!! -_-” Seriously either calling FTTS, Shinhwa, JTL, SES, No Min-Woo(former Trax member) Hangeng, Isak, that model etc liars then you are FREAKING BLINDED BY YOUR LOVE FOR YOUR OPPAR AND UNNIE.
YOU ARE SO RIGHT, CAUSE I’M A FAN OF ALL THOSE PEOPLE YOU JUST MENTION, IS WHY I’M NOT AN SME FAN. It’s one of the reason why I don’t like SME, Also, you can Add to that list MOON HEE JUN who even stayed with SME when all the HOT thing went down, but only to leave SME later for a Company that is just as big as SME in Korea. That also should tell you something wasn’t right with SME. I do acknowledge that there were changes made but there wasn’t much , and if it wasn’t for JYJ who at first wanted to try and work it out but both sides didn’t come to an agreement that would work for them. Then someone else would have come forward or even left there group before there time.
the best joke i’ve ever heard in my entire life on this earth..dumbass sm..cant they find a better reason?even a 5 year old would sense that they’re lying..for goodness sake, stop being greedy, SM..u’ll regret~!!!
TVXQ as 5 forever..AKTF~!!!
I cannot believe that is how SM shows their evidence. That why I don’t understand why Homin stay in SM and push the blame to JYJ
ROFL!!! A GOOD LAUGH TO BRIGHT UP MY DAY!! XD!!
WOW! SM actually thought they can fool the court! HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAAH!! WHAT A RETARD!
SM, just get your cheque ready to pay back all the money the boys earned!
your lies is weak and come on.. your brain stuck in your ass? went to the court without preparation and sufficient documents, how unthoughtful you are and that is consider as humiliation to the court!
but seriously, 1 thing i had always wanted to know is, HoMin, what is the reason of staying with SM?
i really hope there are reasons and they could unite as 5TVXQ again.
If you were into kpop when H.O.T. was the hottest thing around (really DBSK is H.O.T. 2.0) then you would know there is no loyalty AT ALL to the company. This “loyalty” however, make JYJ look like bad guys, when portrayed by SME artists. No this loyalty isn’t really loyalty because loyalty works both ways and isn’t one sided. But the loyalty I speak of is either an incentive if you stay, or career suicide if you leave. This applies to SME way of loyalty because if the employee loves their company and management (treating them right and proof with their income and well being) then wouldn’t this loyalty be out of love instead of fear??? instead of dishonesty???? Loyalty in my book works both ways and SME artists loyalty really depicts on fear of leaving their company. (JTL left their company w/o a lawsuit and yet they were blacklisted by SME) Onto H.O.T., Two members were given better contracts and positions as shareholders of the company. A big incentive in staying and forcing yourself to believe that you(love your work or I’m treated so good) can take that decision instead of leaving and vanish from the face of the earth.
So what i’m saying is HoMin had either didn’t leave to keep their careers and just be idols or they had incentives like Moon Hee Jun and Kangta had or both for a killing combination of staying. Srsly there is no way in hell they stayed for other reasons, NO WAY unless one is so blinded by their love for their oppars that they think they are 100% super duper HAPPY. This is the reality SME supporters want instead of the obvious truth. either career suicide or incentives to shut up and stay with them forever until they’re done with them.
agree with JJlover when homin name were on shareholder list first thing to do is print it and shove in to HoTel girl
Its unbelievable how h.o.t remains friends. I know they went to some bleak moment of not contacting each other. But really, sme basically murdered JTL’s career. Moon Hee Jun was tossed the minute his record didnt do well. And kangta became a shareholder. Props for the other members who can put aside their bitterness and stay friends with kangta.
S.E.S dissolved peacefully, FTTS were practically ripped apart before they were dumped. And the only good thing was Shinhwa sticking together.
All sm town lover needs to realize, either help changing sm’s game, or ur precious oppars and unnies could be next
100% agree.
PS: to clarify my post I meant 100% agree with JJlover as to why HoMin stay, no matter how much HoMin fans don’t want to believe it.
yes! i do agree with you.
i am not a kpop fans, just a new TVXQ fans since december 2010, yes, it was last year. haha.
heard their song somewhere, fall in love, then insanely search for all their album, news, drama, shows and concerts after that.
this is my first time being so obsessed into artists.
so, it is just that, hard to accept the fact.
knowing it, understand it, is one thing.
but accept it, is another thing. sigh.
I totally agree with you, this whole “loyalty” crap makes me laugh so hard. Why be loyal to someone who will just throw you away once you’re not useful to him anymore ?
SM supporters should go and try to tell JTL about loyalty when SM basically screw them over. I really respect them for still being friend with Kangta. The only fact that Kangta put up with SM’s shit and stay with SM in spite of all the harm SM inflicted to JTL, and even to Moon Hee Jun, is pissing me off so I really don’t know how they are doing.
JTL were cockblocked and boycotted by SM even AFTER their contracts ended (and SM are the ones who didn’t want to keep them since they only wanted Kangta and Moon Hee Jun who were the most popular members). What did SM expect them to do ? To stop singing just because they weren’t in SM anymore ? It’s just ridiculous.
And Moon Jee Hun was pressured by SM because his album wasn’t selling well enough, SM threatened to drop him if he didn’t do better and they refused to invest in him so he had to pay with his own money to produce his next album (fans even bought multiple copies of his album to raise the sales). And then he left SM as soon as he could.
Thanksfully Shinhwa stuck together and refused to be divided by SM’s tricks but they still had difficulties after they left SM. But since that have a great leader (Eric, best leader ever ♥) they overcame them.
I can’t believe people still support SM and accuse JYJ of being traitors and money whores. SM has a long history of not treating their idols fairly. JYJ aren’t even the first to sue SM because of their contracts.
Remember, in 2006 model Yoo Minho sued SM for unfair contracts and in 2007 Kim JiHoon did the same. (I will post the whole thing if I find it on the net).
“No this loyalty isn’t really loyalty because loyalty works both ways and isn’t one sided.” THIS ♥
And idols are the ones who earn all the money which feed the company, the ceo and the shareholders so shouldn’t all these people be grateful to them instead ?
Kangta defends SMe to this day
i wonder how they worked things out?
for sure no one will stay at a place where they cant gain any benifit… JYJ and Homin might have different beliefs as they might be in the different situations… I dont blame anyone.. But i was so irritated that some ppl cant accept the fact that they mght have received different treaties from SM so they walk a separate way for now…Why they keep on accusing JYJ as traitors ?? the first thing came to my mind after reading this news is “I want to post it on Truth about TVXQ site” cuz i want to ask them what is “the Truth”?? they should know how much copies did TVXQ sell in 2008, dont they?? Then what is “the truth” theay are shouting for?? They claim that they were cassies of JYJ until they found out “the truth” (which according to them is JYJ is greedy and sue SME for nothing and they made Homin suffered)
LOL..
you know, SM’s lucky that Korea doesn’t use a jury system. they would have had their butts kicked outta court from day one!
WOW this is the most unfair and ridiculous thing I have ever seen. FAIL SM. EPIC FAIL.
GOD SM EPIC FAIL…..EPIC!!!!!
I have a feeling that a fanart or fancomic is going to come out soon.
I have never felt so good these past few days! haha, I am right now running freely on a sandy beach and holding a scarf in the air.
Hey, is that what happened in the court, seriously? I have to re-read the title ’cause I think I’m reading some funny story made by fans T__T And I read, I laughed as if it was a funny story (jokes) LOL.
Dear sm : FACEPALM!
I dont understand how the judge can keep his calm, sm basically made fun of the court, cant the judge hold them in contempt?
on a serious note, anybody know abt sm’s next witnesses? I heard rumors its from avex? I’m getting fidgety here..
You know I question why AVEX has anything to do with DBSK’s KOREAN CONTRACTS. Maybe a part of me says that we were lied to when THSK signed their japanese contracts in 2005 but instead on the same day when they signed the 13 year long contracts which was when 2003, 2004?
I’m at lost too. All I can think of is that they are trying to defame JYJ’s name just like with the failed cosmetic case, but now by using avex.
Actually TVXQ didn’t even see their japanese contract because the contract was signed solely between SM and Avex. TVXQ had no idea of what was said in the contract, except for the little bits SM and Avex told them.
The thing is if JYJ goes back to TVXQ under SM they will probably make a huge, huge, amount of money. I really don’t see any of the current SM idols having the kind of success and popularity TVXQ had. I get the feeling that Avex and SM are going to do everything possible to force JYJ to go back to SM. TT
Maybe the witness from Avex is to testify with regard to the period of the contract? One of SME’s defenses is that the contract should be 13 years because of overseas expansion, so maybe the witness would give light as to that? And also maybe about profit distribution in Japan?
i doubt it, remember what avex did with the oricon chart, i think they will defend SM
Yeah, they’re on SME’s side, so I’m pretty sure whatever they say would be favorable to SME. I’m just thinking that maybe they’d defend the long period of the SME contract because it would be beneficial to them or something.
But now that nichie has said it, trying to make JYJ look bad and defaming their character in court is more likely…
But they can’t anyway. Court already ruled that 13 year long contracts cannot be excused for whatever reason and is invalid to their Korean Law. Again this contract was (that I was led to believe) about their Korean contract with SME. Not AVEX or even SM Japan but still SME and AVEX are buddy buds so we will see~
@Aki
I don’t think the witness from Avex/SM e Japan will talk about the contract… if they do… the members didn’t even set eyes to the contract. if someone signed their names into it… that’s another forgery as what SM did in China’s concert. I’m just wondering if SM will bring that to court.
it’s most likely another “thorough” accounting of expenses in Japan by tvxq/SM company. I’m just wondering what more expenses are they gonna add into the list? tip for the bellboy and housekeepers?
I thought the court had already rejected SM’s witness from AVEX because they said it’s not relevant to the hearing?
I might be remembering it wrong, though.
Sorry, meant to reply to Nichie >_<
well its the latest rumors I heard today. For the 4/19 hearing, SM will bring 2 witnesses. 1 from SMe and 1 from avex.
I wouldn’t be worried about who is the witness. The biggest piece of evidence that speaks for itself and one that jyj’knows is their trump card is the finacial documents that SM is refusing to give the courts.
it doesn’t matter what the witnesses say if the contract and financial worksheets say contrary to them. Biggest support comes from physical evidence and not verbal evidence from witnesses who have self interest to protect.
I wouldn’t be that worried until the contract itslef and the financial sheets actually support SM’s case which so far they haven’t.
Also fact that TVXQ doesn’t fully know what their contract with Avex constitutes doesn’t make Avex a relaible witness. And also Avex has nothing to do with the contratc between SM and TVXQ.
100% agree…
until know it still boggles my mind… how hard is it to bring your accounting books in court? If SM states that every year they do 2 accounting, why can’t they just bring those up to court, and be done with all this circus?
Unless all those semi-annual statements given to the members are been manipulated and no actual solid records to go with it.
hhhhhmmm… now SM lawyers can’t think of a better way but to drag the case until JYJ and the fans are exhausted of this lawsuit and give up. Because SM doesn’t have enough funds to cover their losses in case they will loss this case.
too bad their calculation is wrong… we’ll be sticking together until this is over.
WOw..
I must say SM amazed me!!!
They seem to be SOOOOOOOO DELUSIONAL!!!!
From the start to the end!!
1) BOA, CSJH and Trax made bigger profit than TVXQ
2) DBSK need to pay for SM Executive & even their parking fees?!!?!!?!?
3) They sold 540k album and SM say they sold only 480k to finally say they had to produce another album after that album to get paid?!!?
OMG.. what kind of contract is that?!?!?!?!?!?
I still remember when The Grace/CSJH made their comeback to Japan, Tohoshinki was the one who introduce them since Tohoshinki already way more popular than CSJH.
BoA’s sales also not good since she barely reach Oricon’s chart (top 10).
I never heard CSJH & The Trax reach Oricon’s chart (top 10).
I heard that all the money that Tohoshinki’s earn in Japan & Korea were used by SME to several businesses such as Norebang-Eversing in SK, Restaurant both in SK & Japan, & SM Bravo – SM Unit for searching new talents (rumor said that BoA & DBSK had shares in this company). Their money also used to raise Shinee & SNSD – this kind method was used since Shinwa & FTTS, SME used their money to raise DBSK. You should add the part that SME has to pay to their shareholder, that is why the boys ended up had nothing in the end or minuses.
Should it be better if the fans collect all evidences about the total sales both DBSK & Tohoshinki from their debut time until their last single in Japan & the Mirotic Album?
Apr 19, it’s a quite long time for SME to create dummy accounting’s numbers about the album sales, if we can provide the correct numbers it will be good for JYJ.
SM can’t fake accounting numbers that is a huge crime- . Its basically accounting fraud. If they could have faked numbers they’ld have handed the documents long goes but they know they can’t hence i think that’s why they are stalling cause the documents may be detrimental to their case.
You know apart of me wants them to try so they can dig deeper their own graves and SME supporters can see some sort of light instead of their blinding love for their oppars and unnies.
Okay I have a question and from the looks of it, I would say a hearing did Happen. But there are people saying that a hearing didn’t happen and it was postponed again. So I would like to understand fully, this info is cause a hearing did Happen? And the courts are going to give there Ruling on April 18th?
it definitely happened dear
if thats the best antis can come up with *facepalm*
Thank you sweetie, I figured..
It happened. But SM requested for another hearing stating they have 2 additional witnesses. Hence 4/19. Its just another hearing though, not ruling.
“SM: Your Honor, Mirotic only sold 480,000 copies. We were supposed to pay only if it sold over 500,000 copies” ARE YOU SERIOUS
there’s no way SME will win. like honestly. they’re so shady and they can’t even defend themselves because they themselves know they’re going to lose. the more they drag it on, the worse it’s going to be. JUST SUCK IT UP AND ADMIT YOUR MISTAKES SME.
guys….im worried if sme use money 2 win ths case…uknw…money can do anythng…eithr jyj should win thy will loss…i really hope ths thng doesnt happn…but sme like a devil…thy will do anythng as long thy win~~~
wht should we do????im felt scared!!!
2002
The Creation of the Modern day Entertainment Industry’s “Slave Contract”…Disciplinary Action from the Agency.
According to statements from insiders, SM Entertainment had been ordered to change its policies due to abusing their power to include conditions that were one-sidedly unfair to the artists in their contracts. Examples include H.O.T.’s previous members Moon Heejun and An Seungho.
In addition, SM Entertainment’s main shareholder, Lee Sooman, along with Yedang Entertainment, Giant A&V, and 4 other like companies to form a total of eight, cofounded the Record Label company iKpop. It was revealed that because it had been made so that songs and albums could only be released through this one company, it had dominated 53.9% of the entire music industry at the time. In increasing the surcharge on their company to approximately a million dollars USD, its founders made it so that it was impossible for artists to release music independently.
(Slave contracts, Monopolization)
The Increased Number of Successive Cancellations of JTL Broadcasts—The Power of the Giant Entertainment Agencies?
The three members of H.O.T. Jang Woohyuk, Tony An, Lee Jaewon left their agency, SM Entertainment and released a new album through their new agency, JTL. However, even two weeks following the release, their songs could not be heard on any of the broadcasts. Even the showing of their new music video with JTL that had been scheduled to air on the 6th during the show, “Inkigayo Live” by SBS, suddenly got cancelled. It was stated by SBS that “We will play it too if other stations play it first. Because a new show starring Kangta, Moon Heejun, Jun Jin and other SM artists as the MC’s, will begin to air on the 19th, there is still need for us to be able to cooperate with them. There’s no reason for us to provoke them.”
(SM’s boycott, disruption of activities of artists that have ended their contracts)
2004
“SM’s Contracts: A Modern Day Slave Contract”
On the 5th, the High Court of Seoul rejected SM Entertainment’s appeal against the previous order to revise their contracts, stating that “The enormous penalty for leaving, imposed upon SM Entertainment’s artists is very unfair.”
The Department of Justice added in response to the ruling that “Even though the sum of money needed in training a new artist may be large and though there may be a certain amount of risk in that investment, in general, industries that have a high risk also produce a high level of profits as well. It’s also generally the case that the consequences of the investment are the responsibility of the investor. Though it is the case that the penalty for breaking a sealed contract should be high, it is an excessive abuse of the concept to try to rake in the loss from the investment in a failed artist from a successful one as well.”
(The appeal to reconsider the ruling once they receive the order to revise their slave contract is rejected)
“The Change in MC’s for the Asia Song Festival—Tony An ‘Cannot Stand as the MC With Biases Like That’”
Tony An’s previous agency reveals their position, saying that “It’s obvious that if Tony An stood on stage as the MC, he wouldn’t let artists from the same agency like TVXQ come up as well.” and pressures for the change in MC’s for the event.
(SM’s boycott, disruption of activities of artists that have ended their contracts)
Lee Sooman Sentenced to a Period of Probation for “Withholding Company Funds”
On the 3rd SM Entertainment’s representative Lee Sooman (52) was put under suspicion for using the company’s funds to increase the capital, was sentenced to 2 years and 3 years of probation.
(Withholding company funds)
2006
CF Model Yoo Minho’s Lawsuit Against SM Ent.- Courts Rule To Nullify Entertainers’ Slave Contracts
[b]2007[/b]
[b]Oppression in Our Entertainers’ Contracts: Kim Jihoon As SM Ent.’s Slave?[/b]
A Talent Agency That’s Unable to Change It’s Habit of Signing Slave Contracts
2009
TVXQ’s Complaints: “A 15 Year Contract Including The Period of Their Mandatory Military Service, and Profits of 0.4% Per Person”
“We are exhausted both physically and mentally from the intensive schedules both planned and initiated one-sidedly by our agency for the last 5 years since we debuted.”
“Except for 1 week in an entire year, we ran schedules that allowed us to get only 3-4 hours of sleep per day.”
“A 13 year contract, in reality, meant a life-long contract. Including the time we would need to complete our military service, this contract would lengthen to over 15 years. This meant that there were still almost 10 years left in our contracts. Realistically, this meant that we would be bound until we retired from the Entertainment Industry.”
“If you read the terms and conditions outlined in the contract regarding profits from album sales, you’ll find that, only under the condition that over 500 000 copies of an album were sold, would the members then, each receive around $8500 USD. But if the minimum number of albums sold were not met, they would not earn a single cent of their own profits.”
“It was only on February 6th, 2009 that this condition was finally revised. However, even after this amendment, the division of profits was still that each member was only able to receive 0.4%-1% of their profits, depending on the sales of the particular release.”
Park Chansong: “TVXQ’s ‘Slave Contract’ With SM Finally Exposed.”
*Because the members of TVXQ were minors (under the age of 19), the longest possible period for a contract of 13 years was decided upon so that, compared to the general length of activity for an entertainer, this would mean that they would be bound for life.
* They established a penalty that was two times more than they would have made even if they had continued with their activities for the full contract period.
* The appropriate documents was not shown to those involved at the time the contract was established
* They stabbed the members in the back with the condition that they would not be paid for their work unless over 500 000 copies of the album were sold, and only $8500 USD each even if this was the case.
* “The agency abused the fact that the members of TVXQ had been minors and in the vulnerable position of a new artist to establish an unfair contract and claim an unjustified portion of the profits.”
The Lawsuit Between Hankyung and SM…The Details of Super Junior’s Contract Exposed
The biggest issue was concerning the division of profits. Only after selling more than 50 000 copies of an album do the members of Super Junior receive 2% of the profits. Because of the current state of the music industry, not only is it not an easy feat to sell more than 50 000 copies of an album to begin with, but depending on the conditions of each of their contracts, the actual sum of the profits going back to each of the members may be a mere fraction of that 2%. Even in the case of their 3rd album, that sold 250 000 copies, the sum allocated to each of the 13 members was not even $3500 USD.
Not only that, but another big problem lies in the fact that 250 000 copies in the current state of the music industry, is the most impressive looking number to have sold. Also, Super Junior’s contract period is also 13 years, like TVXQ. Because in the case of Hankyung, he will only have been free from SM Entertainment at the age of 35, this contract is being evaluated as a slave contract. In addition, in the case that he did chose to end the contract, the penalty would be comparable to the sum of 3 times the total invested into the group by SM and 2 times the total fortune that would have been amassed throughout the full period of the contract.
(slave contract)
Claims of “Forging the Signatures of the 3 Members of TVXQ for the Shenzhen, China Concert”
According to statements released by the representative of the 3 TVXQ members on the 24th, “Korean and Chinese fans brought it to the attention of the authorities that the signatures of the 3 DBSK members on the confirmation documents for the concert in Shenzhen may have been forged. Upon closer investigation, it has been revealed that this was indeed true.”
In addition, he added that “SM has aroused issues as serious as sending someone to forge the signatures despite the fact that the 3 TVXQ members never agreed to participate the in Shenzhen concert.”
(Forgery of legal documents)
2010
SM Entertainment Representative Kim Yongmin Reported To the Police
On the 9th, Mr.W reported SM Entertainment, the talent agency associated with the popular Idol Group TVXQ to the Police Department in the Gangnam District of Seoul for defamation and disruptions to his business. It was revealed that he turned Kim Yongmin (40) the representative for SM Entertainment over to the Police with no hesitation, to be prosecuted.
The Police suspected that “The motivation behind the lawsuit involving the 3 members of TVXQ was simply their wish to terminate such a lengthy contract, and likely had nothing to do with the cosmetic company.” The Court of Justice partially granted the request of the 3 members of TVXQ to be freed from their contracts with SM Entertainment, last October.
(Disruption and defamation to a business)
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I have gathered only the information that I could find in published articles.
In reality, everything mentioned above is only what has been revealed to be public. But it’s undeniable that there are probably many more wrong doings by SM that are still hidden in the dark.
It’s obvious that our Oppas probably suffered through a lot more than just the slave contracts than the articles will ever tell us.
The courts have already accepted our Oppas’ appeal for the revision of the division of profits. It’s just that I’m worried about what kind of underhanded tactics SM will use against them in the process.
By: Popples Day
sources: Ohmynews, Osen News, Hani News, Newsen, fnnews (Note: This is not an exhaustive list)
translation: happy.colour at OneTVXQ(dot)com
credits: OneTVXQ(dot)com { One World. One Red Ocean. One TVXQ! }
Feel free to repost, but please leave the full credits intact. Thanks!
But yeah, SM is love ♥ *sarcasm*
This has to be filed away to battle antis with
Good Job Ms. Sherlock kokoromiya Holmes 😉
Hahaha, you’re welcome Watson XD
lol i was thinking “why not u post it on Truth about TVXQ” ?? heehee *so evil*
is Nandar ur name?
you can try and do that, but the people there are so close-minded, so clouded by their “leader’s” words that they take it as their Bible.
SM: Your Honor, we do have evidence that we calculated the money owed to the Members, with the Members.
*Shows a document on TVXQ’s debut single “Hug” from 2004″
Court: … *waits for more documents*
SM: …*stays silent*
Court: …AND??? (Where are the documents that show SM did the calculations for albums after TVXQ’s first single in 2004? TVXQ released albums under SM until 2009.)
SM:…;;;;;; (In the end, SM failed to produce any more evidence beyond the single document from 2004.)
I LOlED SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH AT THIS PART THAT MY STOMAGE ALREADY HURTS LIKE HELL!!!!!!!
CAN THEY GET ANY MORE STUID??????????
THIS just begs for a WTF GIF with a judge right 😀
I think right now SME is just dragging the case so that he can also drag JYJ’s activities for years if posible. They know they can’t win unless they bribe the judge, but they can hold JYJ’s career off as long as they can by dragging the case.
JYJ3 Forgot to add : The next hearing date is at 14:00 on April 19.
Karma is a b***h!~
SM got pawned real bad..
This is like a comedy of errors and it reads like a bad fanfiction!
What a big joke XDXDXD
Funny enough for a comapny like S(tupid)M(orons) who make more money out of their artists in the Japanese Market, there is not a single news of them donating to the Earthquake Relief.
omg this is seriously funny.. sme u are the king of gag and greedy~ lol
SM: Your Honor, Mirotic only sold 480,000 copies. We were supposed to pay only if it sold over 500,000 copies.
JYJ’s law firm: But Mirotic sold 540,000 copies. *shows evidence*
SM: …;;;;;; Well, it’s actually that we were supposed to pay only on the condition that there be a next album… and
HAHAHHAHHHA. SM’S LYING ASS GOT CAUGHT. EMBARRASSING.
Finally read it.
I’m tears from laughter.
SM EPIC FAILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. It’s actually sad.
You’re a BUSINESS, you ALWAYS should have documents
for every cost for EVERYTHING. It’s pitiful and pathetic that they literately made these boys work in the guise of ‘chasing their dream’ when in reality they where like freaking factory workers.
Expense went to SNACKS AND GAS???? THE HELL?
That’s stuff you pay with your OWN PAYCHECK staff and excecs not with the artists money!
My head hurt, this is soooo sad. And 50k divided by 5 is 10k. THAT’S MY YEARLY TUITION! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW. And they didn’t even get paid that! ShamWOWWWWWWWWWWWW.
I’m sick of it. HOMIN LEAVEEEEEEEEEEE dammit! Shinee LEAVEEEEEEEEE SM sucks major monkey balls.
FINALLY!!!!!!omo omo!!!!
im soooooo happy!!!…..
go JYJ!!!!^O^!!!!whooooooo!!! this made my day!!!n i luv it how sm went silent when they couldnt give any other evidence~~~~~THIS IS what they call….KARMA!!!!!^^~~
Between the SM “evidence” in court and reading the 294 comments about this…I’m going to be laughing for the rest of the evening.
Every time the court asked SM something they were like “……” and then finally the judge said “Stop. Not Accepted”. That’s just pathetic, funny, but pathetic. To seriously come into court without proper evidence just shows that SM is serious fraudulent and grossly wrong.
Looking to see what develops on April 19th. JYJ Fighting!
oops *seriously fraudulent*
I feel smart reading this.
SM = STUPID MONSTER
Puwahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaha
is this a court hearing or what?
I’m reading a comic strip… It’s making me laugh… I should send this article to the newspaper for comics section…
this is hilarious.
SM : Well, it’s actually that we were supposed to pay only on the condition that there be a next album… and
Court: Stop. Not Accepted. (SM rejects SM’s excuse. 50,000 USD for an artist who sold 500,000 copies is ridiculously small, especially when divided into five, but SM didn’t even pay the Members that.)
bwuahhahahhaa!!!!! i’m so satisfied with this!!
i cant imagine how SM people looked like!!
just admit it…u cant win against JYJ… u just embarrass urself!!
This is what you call KARMA! SM YOU SHOULD’VE KNOWN KARAM IS A BITCH!
err..karam?? hehe
poor him
Lol Karam is a bitch hahahaha
i thought SM is good in lying? HOH
So… SME asked for a delay of the previous hearing to have time to show their evidences and to prepare the account man to testify and all they have managed to bring in the courtroom before the judge was a receipt dated 2004.
Wonderful organization!!
Pathetic.
And this is one of the greatest management agency??????????
Hard to believe!
HAH in ur face SM! JYJ will win no matter what cos what theyre sayin are truee. So, if you still want to fight, go on, youll only be looking like a fool.
Excuse me girls, ¿We are talking about the court room? I must be mistaken. According to what I’ve read above, I thought we were talking about a some sort of circus. Obviously, SME’s lawyers and representatives are the clowns and monkeys.
happy birthday yoochun oppa.<3 we always love you
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