The below is the translation of the official announcement that DNBN made regarding the situation in Indonesia. JYJ3 echoes DNBN in expressing our sincere sadness at the pains that the Indonesian fans have suffered due to the actions of its concert promoter.
Rebuttal on the False Rumors and Arguments Regarding the Cancellation of JYJ’s Indonesia Concert
Hello. This is DNBN.
Rumors with low credibility regarding JYJ’s World Tour Indonesia Concert’s cancellation.
We have come to draft this rebuttal in order to give you credible information after confirming the truths and reliability of the (below) materials regarding the cancellation of the concert.
Yesterday C-JeS announced that JYJ’s concert in Indonesia was officially cancelled. Fans of Indonesia, we cannot imagine how distraught you are. We express our sincerest condolences.
Unfortunately, right now, false rumors that blame a particular member for the cancellation is spreading in the international fandom. Because this rumor is being spread unilaterally by one side, we want to provide the other side so that you have more complete information.
This writing is not to argue that the cancellation is the fault of one side or to criticize the other.
Only, we wish that through this writing there will be no one who will believe that the rumors that are currently spreading are the truths.
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Dream Catcher Indonesia (hereafter DCI) is the “official promoter” of JYJ Concert in Indonesia. DCI has never successfully hosted an event (previously it had worked with CN Blue and FT Island but ended up cancelling). The owner of DCI is a person named A.W. Ardiati. In press releases and other materials, it is shown that a person named Tita Ardiati is DCI’s President (see http://bit.ly/ici7xq). Tita Ardiati is also an administrator of the Indonesian TVXQ (not JYJ—they are “OT5”, i.e., supports only TVXQ5) Fanclub “Cassination.” In Indonesia, an “official fan club” is typically chosen to facilitate ticket sales. Unsurprisingly, Cassination was selected as the “official fan club.” However, DCI has long shown signs of instability—for instance, its CEO resigned last Friday.
Many of DCI’s actions regarding the concert preparation cannot be excused.
(1) DCI FAILED TO ADEQUATELY PROMOTE JYJ IN INDONESIA.
(a) It did absolutely zero promotion via TV or billboards, which are the traditional methods of promotion for concerts in Indonesia in which a substantial portion of the population does not have access to the internet.
(b) Even print promotions through the newspapers and magazines were extremely sparse (Short informational feature in the magazine IndoWorld and newspaper Pandeira were largely the entirety of this).
(c) In fact, even as late as March 22nd, DCI admits on its Twitter that it has not started its promotional activities. (See http://wp.me/p1gQsC-2ly)
(2) DCI HAS LIED MULTIPLE TIMES TO MULTIPLE PARTIES ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS IN ITS HANDLING OF THE CONCERT.
(a) THE CONCERT TICKETS.
– DCI sold the concert tickets in three different ways up to the day before the cancellation without having first obtained the consent and authorization from C-JeS. (See http://wp.me/p1gQsC-2kq)
– DCI has misrepresented to the press and the public about the tickets selling out when they have not, multiple times, causing serious confusion to and hindering fans and potential buyers. In fact, there was much anxiety in the Indonesian fandom about just how well the tickets were selling because there was no accurate information.
(b) THE CAUSE OF THE CONCERT’S CANCELLATION
a. JAEJOONG: TITA ARDIATI, THE PRESIDENT OF DCI AND THE ADMIN OF CASSINATION, AND MANY OF HER CLOSE ASSOCIATES PUBLICLY SLANDERED JYJ MEMBER JAEJOONG WITH FALSE ALLEGATIONS. (For some examples out of many, see Tita Ardiati’s twitter at http://wp.me/p1gQsC-2ly)
– Any allegations that Jaejoong personally has anything to do with Indonesia’s cancellation are obvious lies. In fact, Jaejoong has never even set foot in Indonesia.
– The nature of the allegations was extremely defamatory towards Jaejoong and calculated to inflame the public opinion of Indonesian fans against Jaejoong.
– Nonetheless, because these false allegations were made by such powerful figures in the Indonesian JYJ fandom, they are spreading like wildfire and are seriously hurting Jaejoong’s reputation in Indonesia and causing much anguish to his fans.
b. PRESS RELEASE: DCI AND ITS PRESIDENT TITA ARDIATI RELEASED AN OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE THAT STATED THAT THE CONCERT WAS CANCELLED BECAUSE C-JES MADE ADDITIONAL HIGH-COST REQUESTS (see Press Release at http://www.dreamcatcher-indo.biz).
– Tita Ardiati and her associates lost all credibility when they slandered and spread harmful rumors that hurt Jaejoong, who has nothing to do with the cancellation. All of their statements, therefore, warrant close scrutiny and suspicion as to their truth.
– The press release is misleading and false in other ways. For instance, it states that DCI “worked hard to fulfill all that is needed for this concert” when, by their own admission, there were seriously inadequate promotions and many lies to the press and the fans about ticket sales.
– The press release is also contrary to the announcement made by C-JeS which said that DCI’s repeated failure to abide by contract terms and its inability to smoothly carry out the concert are what led to the cancellation.
(3) DCI’S DESIGNATED OFFICIAL FANCLUB CASSINATION WAS AN INAPPRORPIATE CHOICE FOR A JYJ-CONCERT. IT IS “OT5,” I.E., SUPPORTS ONLY TVXQ5, AND HAS SOLICITED FOR AND PLANNED FOR “YUNJAE” EVENTS FOR THE JYJ CONCERT.
(a) Through their Tweeter and Forum, Cassination has repeatedly and explicitly condoned and encouraged fans to do activities that are disrespectful to a JYJ Concert, such as shouting names of people who are not part of JYJ. In fact, there is evidence that Cassination was making a Yunjae Banner to bring to the JYJ Concert and had plans to stage a high-profile Yunjae event. (See http://i56.tinypic.com/2h51x8y.png)
(b) This shows a serious disregard for the respect owed to Jaejoong, Yoochun, and Junsu as people and artists.
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We believe that C-JeS gravely erred in not monitoring Indonesia closely earlier. It is our sincerest hope that C-JeS will pull its weight on organizing these tours which are momentous occasions for fans. Nonetheless, the above events cannot be excused. Again, we express our sorrow at the events that took place in Indonesia—we believe that DCI wronged not just JYJ but also their fans in Indonesia.
Once again, we wish to express how saddened we are for fans who endured great suffering due to DCI’s above actions.
Thank you.
Click Page 2 for the Image Files of the References and the DNBN Announcement (in its original form).
Click Page 3 for Spanish Translation.
i wonder if this tita is actually try to make indonesia fans turn their back from jyj
i hope indonesia fans here on jyj3 will spread this around their fansites -___-
and allkpop news on jyj cancels world tour in indonesia wasn’t helping too. many blame C-jes for bad management
we need to be pro active.
PR is also very important.
it doesnt help tht omona posted an article about DCI ‘s allegations either
since this is from DNBN i dunno where to send this to -____-
i also don’t know how to explain this situation to others. Haters already spread tita slander tweet to jaejoong at allkpop.
copy paste the text of article on allkpop
its worth a shot.
i join that cassianation only to get the ticket. and just today i leave that group. i will spread it in the FB page. atleast the fans in indo will know who’s wrong or right
Oh wow!
well that seals the deal for me.
Considering the potential for damage this concert could have caused i’ think CJES made the right decision.
I cant believe the ADMINS would do that.
My heart goes out to all the indo fans though.
I really hope they can go to indonesia one day.
Cjes should be more careful in picking promoters
great.. It’s just great.. Thanks for dci.. Thankyou so much for making indonesian fans look bad. Thankyou for lie to us.. Thankyou for ur unprofessional act. Thankyou for spreading bad rumours, thankyou.. Thankyou
*crying and screaming like crazy TT*
i’m so sorry.. I really can’t help myself.. TT
are you indonesian
i can understand if you guys are bitter >.<
poor things 😦
@Juno
yes i am TT
it’s like double punches
not all the promotor concert are bad, there many promotor really good at concert event, so don’t judge that in Indonesia all bad, we still wait JYJ come to Indonesia. We are cassiopeia in Indonesia always waiting……
NO… we not and never even think to judge all indonesia… we event feel really sorry for JYJ Indo fans and Cassiopeia fan who support JYJ… we know you guys really have heart bearking.. i hope one day the boys will come Indo..pls be strong!!!
me too
In Indonesia there very rare JYJ fans that is so true thats why i glad i found this site. A lot of them its OT5 even then fanbase is named by JYJ but still they support TVXQ Act 1 which is already gone so sad but true.
Come on JYJ fans in Indo we make our own fanbase
Awwww I’m from Malaysia and it’s the same case also *huggle you*
Yeah, I agree it’s better if the fanbase for JYJ are more dominant in case of conflict of interests, just like this occurred.
thanks *hugs you back*
I’m Indonesian too and yes,it’s very rare to see JYJ fans even in dorm is full of KPop lovers. so I always try to find site which can gave me more information about them, just like you do.
I’m really agree that we SHOULD make our own website..
@naoki wahh come on. we make our own indonesian website. i try to find some other who in JYJ stans in indo one of them is already want to make a official JYJ fansclub but right now still in process cause she try to contact with C-Jes
my heart bleeding again T_T
thank you to dci for make indonesian fans look bad and thank you for ashaming indonesian fans….. absolutly thank you for make my heart shattered again when finally i can cure it
i’m from indonesian too….it’s really difficult and very rare to find jyj fanbase like these fandom so i’m really glad when finally find these site…
thank you very much to admin who always give me information about jyj and i really love these family…..
@jyjlover i agree with u
we must make our own fanbase in indonesia
Same is true in the Philippines. It’s too OT5/HM biased here, i can not even mention JYJ only in forums w/o getting erm- words from some of them…LOL
So, I guess I won’t be seeing JYJ here anytime soon then… *SIGH*
hi i’m indonesian and me and my frend only support jyj lets be friend we both sad with the cancellation bt now we’re glad because enough for the trouble for the boys…..
sorry for my english it’s my first time to post anything here….:)
glad that C-Jes had made right dececion to protect JYJ’s reputation before too late. i wish that true JYJ’s Indo fans could have another chance to see JYJ’s concert, with a better promoter of course.
Oh my. Yunjae fans were mentioned. T___T Please, the yunjae thingy amuses me sometimes but you guys gotta have some respect for JYJ… T___T
JYJ fighting! JYJ fans fighting!
im yunjae fans i love their fanfics but my world is spinning around JaeJoong and he is my MAN.
Yunjae its belong to yunjae fandom and must be kept in the fandom that the main rule of true yunjae admirer (i dont want to used yunjae shipper cause since what happen in Thailand)
I just wish other yunjae fans are like you that do not go overboard.
yunjae fans are free to think and believe what they want too. but they gotta learn to respect people. I’m no Yunjae hater since, as I commented, the thing amuses me sometimes (i.e. makes me laugh)
I think I read a blog that belongs to a yunjae fan and she definitely does not agree with what some thai yunjae fans did at the tonight show.
I’m YunJae fan, too ^^ But like what you said, YunJae should be kept in YunJae fandom only 🙂 I don’t want to see many JYJ fans turn to hate YunJae fans just because of some… ok, not some but many selfish YunJae fans T__T
I see that the true motive of many selfish YunJae fans is that they want Yunho and Jaejoong love each other instead of some girls LOL. I think they love YunJae because of their selfishness (don’t want to see them having girlfriends) – they do not care for them individually.
I really really adore their relationship in the past but I also see the truth now is not that sweet to keep my mind delusional LOL. What we saw in reality now is their relationship has broken. Even if they were in romantic relationship before, it would still be rude to shout the other one’s name in front of them. If you break up with you boyfriend, would you like other people shouting your ex-boyfriend name to your face in public?? LOL it is like insulting / making fun of you, right? So I hope even YunJae fans who believe their relationship was real, please keep it in your heart only, don’t make fun of him in public!
@yunjaefic. thanks for being understanding^^
i’m ok with yunjae fans but please just within fandom only T__T. I wonder if JYJ qain new fans in the future probably after do promotional activities in US, will yunjae fans argue with the new jyj fans too.
what if those potential new jyj fans feel disgusting about the boy boy coupling or skinship relationship. Since they will do promotional activities in US so it safe to say JYJ will probably gain new american fans and americans is one of the aggresive society(sorry if anyone feel offended).
i read comments on you tube and billboard website, apart from some kpop fans said shinee, suju and others are better than jyj, many of them (public american i think) said jyj is gay especially jae feminine face is the target. most of them comparing JYJ with Willian Hung and Adam Lambert. i don’t know bout adam lambert since i’m not his fans but i don’t think it’s a good comment because adam lambert is gay. also i think adam not winning american idol because of this gay issue too. he has been judges favourite since begginning but i could be wrong. correct me ok. and also the outfit and makeup JYJ wearing on the beggining album cover not helping either.
that was just look, how do you think they will react if they know about the boy-boy pairing. for sure they will say ‘no wonder…they are gay’ an i don’t think this will help JYJ buliding their career in US. since they been boycott in japan and korea, they only can do oversea promotional activities and apparently they targeting US. I’m really worried how will the response given by american public if they know bout this pairing boy-boy thingy.
sorry if anyone feel offended by this gay issue. i just don’t want JYJ hardwork go down the drain just because unnecessary things.
i beg to SOME ‘immature’ yunjae fans please think about JYJ career first before you guys do something selfish.
I bet people will scream that you being homophobic but seriously you speak the truth. Not only in the US every place in the world are homophobic society. Only us that indulge in Kpop fandom understand the epitome of members coupling but general public, they never will understand it. In the case of Adam Lambert, in my opinion had shown us how people reject homosexuality. People view it as a disease. It defies the norm, it against the culture and religion, my country Malaysia in one of the example. No matter how open minded a society reflected to be homophobic remain to stay no matter what centuries it might be. Not all people are acceptance and seriously not all people share our interest and understanding.
Image play a big role in popular culture. That you just cant argue. I love Adam Lambert, his sexuality got nothing to do with his beautiful soul. Still people around me criticize me for liking a gay singer. People just love to label others rather than making effort to know them better for whom they are.
not just adam lambert being criticized, also other famous celebrity like elthon john, ellen degeneres and others. No matter how open minded any society in the world, homosexuality still not accepted everywhere in the world -.-
@Gary
Where’s the proof of the boy-boy pairing or skinship, is there actual proof?? Can Jae help it if he looks like a living earthbound angel?? Did either of them admit to that kind of relationship??? Did either of them flaunt it, other than showing their hyungs love, when they were emotional or happy?? I don’t think he’s gay at all, AND I wouldn’t care if he was!!
I’m sorry Gary, that just rubbed me wrong, if u’ll pardon the expression~~I apologize for snapping, SORRY, k?
Back to the topic, I feel terrible for our Indonesian
JYJ FAMILY members and everyone that made reservations, bought plane tickets, etc., how is DCI gonna compensate those ppl?? couldn’t some kind of charges be brought up against them?? When I saw that blog and the instructions as to making banners against Jae, my blood boiled!! That so-called president of DCI shud be put in the slammer for awhile~~I know she’s prolly got a BIG target on her back, so she shud at least, better lay low, if u’ll pardon the expression.
I’m sending big HUGS to all the JYJ FAMILY that was effected by this, i really feel bad for U all.
AGAIN, sorry for my outburst!! Love n kisses to all!!
@linda
i think you and gary are agreeing actually >.<
@luckylinda what are you talking about. do you understand what i’m saying or not?? ^^. plz read again
I hate to say it and I wouldn’t be surprised if the Yunjae fans will get upset and say I don’t know what I am talking about, but since I am American I think I know a little bit about it. No the boy-boy coupling will not go over very well here with the general population and forcing that issue here in America will not be a good thing for JYJ. If they want JYJ to develop new fans here then Yunjae fans need to keep that stuff on the down-low. But from the comments I have seen they don’t or won’t believe it to be true so I don’t usually try to suggest it. It only makes them angry and upset.
@no more silent lucker. glad there are american here^^. from what i observed, even celebrity who is not gay still label gay by american public. especially pretty looking boys. i hope C-jes and JYJ re-build their image before doing promotional activities in US. like tohoshinki do their early activities in Japan. they learn the culture first then change it. same here in US, JYJ need to learn the culture first. ditch all those cute pretty boy image, makeup and fashionable clothes especially the ones they wearing on the cover of the begginning album. Learn little bit of US culture like wear bad boy clothes, do MV full with sexy bitches and when they finally make big in US, they can rule and change back their image anytime if they want too.
Learn the culture first then change it!
about the American debut, i hope all the experience they get from Japan will be used at its best. Seriously no one will get the pretty boys thing in other side of territory. Please, Knock on the door before stepping into other people house.
FYI…when JYJ had a showcase in US, some Korean-American local artists commented on their twitter on why K-idols had so much makeup. What did that tell you?
Honestly, I am influenced by Western culture, I like my boys rough and true to their nature. Most of my music artists other than JYJ are looking smelly and unclean >.<
@coffee craze lol me too. most of my fave band either look nerd or hobos or retarded or stinking-smelly-not brushing teeth type of man. On my CD shelves, TVXQ and JYJ CDs look like objects from Mars in comparison to the rest of the CDs that I owned.
@coffee craze. yup makeup is a no-no in US. plus being an asian is not to be a great big help for JYJ to debut in US. and with the boy-boy coupling thing like yunjae and yoosu will only make general Americans public not interested in them.
@Gary- You are right about the culture thing. As for the labeling thing it does happen, but it really all just depends on the person and how they are perceived by the general public and trust me the general public here in America can be quite harsh at times. Adam Lambert gets thrashed because he, for want of a better word, flaunts his homosexuality and Americans don’t generally like that. Americans have the mentality that if you are gay that’s just fine but don’t tell me cause I don’t want to know. You know, the what you do in your private life is just that, private and let’s keep it that way kind of thinking. Oddly though others have been accepted with not too much hassle but those that have been accepted usually already had an established career in the business before their sexuality was truly known. It’s crazy I know but it is what it is. JYJ will have a hard road here to begin with because they are foreigners that are not fluent with the language. They really don’t need the gay stigma hanging over their heads too. If the Yunjae fans would just let JYJ get established here first they might be able to get past all the biases because of how talented they are, then the Yunjae thing might not be such a big deal.
@nomoresilentlucker. thanks^^ i’m sure some people will definitely not agree with points i’m trying to make here but you as an American know better than me. And yes JYJ need to be known because of their talent not because of their past video and history especially the pairing/couple thing. as fans, we need to help them debut not pull them back
@Gary
I’m from the US and I love JYJ. There are alot of fans here that like them. About this boy-boy pairing I don’t think they will understand it. I surely don’t know why anyone would have made this up even just for fun. We are very tolerant of gays and their are plenty of gay entertainers and we don’t care about homosexuality that much. This boy-boy thing is very hard to understand and personally I don’t think it’s cute or funny. It could hurt their reputation in a way that some teens wouldn’t take them seriously. Teens are strange all over the world and it’s normal for their age group (no offense I was a teen once). With JYJ’s new image I think they should conentrate on getting fans that are older than Justin Beiber fans. I hope this stuff doesn’t spread here because it makes me very unhappy that JJ and the Guys could be hurt by this. Most people will ignore it but, some will not. I think all talk of this should end right now and forget it even existed so JYJ can move on
I’m YunJae fan but I won’t think that you are homophobic because you only scold “immature” YunJae fans. Thank you for not generalizing all YunJae fans as if we are anti-fans that causing nothing but problems to JYJ 🙂
@Gary i am truly sorry for misreading your comment *face is red* I am also an American from Chicago and my only excuse is, I guess i’m overly protective of our beloved JYJ.
JYJ FIGHTING!!! JYJ FAMILY FIGHTING!!!
¡Please, girls! You’re taking for granted a fact that is only into the mind of some depraved fans. I’m not homophobic. For example, I like so much Gackt. Gackt fans, on the contrary, claimed that he’s not gay, but the truth is he likes to fool around in public with some well known guys. I think he’s bisexual, although it is not a proven fact. It is only my personal opinion; and I still like him and his voice so much. Things are very different when we talk about Jaejoong. He has done nothing suspicious to make us think he’s gay, except for the hilarious and a little extreme situations presented in “Dangerous love”(DL), where the one who looked gay was Yunho, not JJ.
I think the yunjae fans took the idea from DL, and they liked it so much, that they decided to match Yunho and JJ no matter what, only to satisfy a depraved and bad intended caprice. I think this is very disrespectful towards Jaejoong. He really really doesn’t deserve such treatment. He’s making huge efforts to please his fans and to succeed as an artist. It is not fair that these low instincted fans always tried to oblige him to be involved in an homosexual relationship with Yunho. This is absolutely non acceptable and disrespectful. As I said before, he’s worthy and he deserves to be admired and respected by his fans because he’s a wonderful human being full of talent and beauty. And I’m proud for being his fan. Please, yunjae fans; let him be as beautiful and straight as he is, not as homosexual as you want him to be.
I feel ashamed to be in one fandom with person like you. You’re disrespectful and homophobic.
The victims of this crap is Indonesian Fans. I hope Cjes reconsiders having a concert here and pick another more better organised company.
I really wanted to see this rumor about JJ getting cleared >.< oh n about the (3) point..i'm just expressing my oppinion..but being 'OT5' does not necessary equal to 'support only TVXQ5'..a lot of people that 'OT5' support JYJ..
If people are blaming the Indo fans for planning the yunjae banner shouldn't they also be mad with all the previous fans that put up yunjae banner during the showcase.. I'm not saying it's not desrespectful to JJ/JYJ but the yunjae fandom is a group of people that support JJ, granted they also support yunho but that doesn't mean we as JYJ fans can just tell them to stop..
but its a JYJ concert so they will ahve to keep their support for yunho in their hearts.
Otherwise its very disrespectful
yes I understand but it’s a fandom..u cant really stop them from showing support for wut they believe..sadly~ TT_____TT
Yes but the concert organizer to promote this kind of behaviour is just beyond unprofessional.
Yes its the organize fault..i’m just getting frustrated because some tend to generalize YJ fans as just some crazy fans that out to ‘hurt’ JJ
Thats why there’s things like opinion.
Example its like saying yoosu fans shouldn’t rep at the concerts because it should focus on them as a whole and or some of the past arguments thats been used against yj fans (which I’m not surprised never was said against yoosu fans but thats another convo). Or saying that people should bring their skks support signs (solo or couple) cause it doesn’t support jyj as a whole/ and or yoochun doesn’t date the chick he acted with.
Its a state of opinion (dis/respect in itself really).
And Jaejoong (solo) yunho (solo) is different from Yunjae. The whole support system is different…just saying.
And oddly there are yunjae fans that actually only support one now just like there ot5 who likes all 5 together but are leaning towards a certain side right now. It’s all about biased and just because it may be weird or odd in thought it happens.
I won’t my personal opinion on it..I would think people were actually tired of repeating themselves by now but…I guess not. Plus I find it pointless…but I’ve been finding just about everything pointless lately.
@akria
sorry for being offended. but what does yoosu have anything with this??? no they totally not. dont start it.
“being ‘OT5’ does not necessary equal to ‘support only TVXQ5’..a lot of people that ‘OT5’ support JYJ..”
^I SO AGREE. Especially in Indonesia…. Most of the JYJ fans came from the TVXQ5 fandom too
False. Not all YJ fans support JJ. Some YJ fans are hardcore YH fans and hate JYJ with passion.
and some YJ fans are hardcore JJ fans and does not support Yunho..There’s a lot of these that i meet during malaysia showcase.. i doubt that hardcore Yunho fans (whose also YJ fan) will go to a JYJ concert..but then again there r some extreame ‘fans’..
Why would we be called Yunjae fans if we hate the guy Yunho is fucking? What’s the logic to that??
Krystle
Thats actually true sadly…I wouldn’t say hate though just non-supportive. It also happens on jj side of the fandom (yj fandom). Its rare but happens. The first few times I saw it I was like >.> >.0
But you get used to all sorts of craziness after so many years.
@Akria the rollercoaster of JYJ Fandom, its to handle those craziness. JYJ fandom keep fighting
@jyjlover
….I don’t tend to agree just for the fact that there are fandoms within fandoms and they all have different stand points. I don’t believe in stopping anyone from dis/liking someone or something, I just feel they shouldn’t bash it def if you like it at one point. You can dislike something but it doesn’t mean you have to try hurting. But those are just my opinions.
@anixs, Krystle & Akria
“and some YJ fans are hardcore JJ fans and does not support Yunho..There’s a lot of these that i meet during malaysia showcase..”
erk, i’m one of these ppl actually (and funny that you mentioned malaysia, that’s where i’m from). jaejoong is one of my most favorite people in the world but yunho…i’ve never liked him. there’s always been something about his demeanor that just puts me off. BUT…i love yunjae. i love seeing them together, i love seeing how they act around each other, i think their chemistry is simply beautiful and when watching yunjae moments, my dislike towards yunho lessens, which i’m extremely grateful for because at times i hate myself for hating someone i don’t really know. so…i guess that’s the logic behind only liking one side of the couple and hating the other? though sometimes i find myself questioning my own sanity…
@gothicat
I get exactly what you’re saying.
Def about the Yunho vibe…I get it too, so does my friends. People would be think it was crazy because the “vibe” is hard to explain but whenever someone says they get that vibe/feeling from yunho, you know exactly what they’re talking about but other people just don’t.
In honest if you explained it your way alot of peole would actually fit in that category.
Jaejoong is my biased of everything. In truth the biased in yj fandom leans towards Jaejoong. Whuch is not surprising if you observe the fandom and analyze the reasons.
@anixs
“and some YJ fans are hardcore JJ fans and does not support Yunho..There’s a lot of these that i meet during malaysia showcase.. i doubt that hardcore Yunho fans (whose also YJ fan) will go to a JYJ concert..but then again there r some extreame ‘fans’.”.
Yeah, yeah, yeah Im gladly claimed that Malaysia is Jaejoong biased. What to do, people here just happen to love Jaejoong more. Its not his fault for being that beautiful and its definitely not our fault to fall in love to someone of his caliber.
@krystle : hmmm…i think maybe they’re trying to shove it to JJ that he NEEDS yh, or maybe just to remind him that there are people who are sure he would be BACK to yh….i don’t know, i don’t understand this yunjae fandom.
@gothikat, Akria
I get what the two of you are saying. That vibe is difficult to explain, but you’re not the only two who can see it. I’ll leave it at that.
@gothicat and Akria I think the vibe you guys talking about is what we called as “control macho” and “gaya bagus attitude”.
In English control macho = try too hard to be manly and masculine.
Gaya bagus attitude = full of pride and full of himself.
I might be wrong but the vibe that I get from Yunho since 2007 were that. Lots of my friends descibe him as that too. well we’re bunch of girls that favor dorky boys over prideful men so that’s explain why we love boys like Jaejoong, Junsu, Yuuchun and 2pm boys.
ka_vie
That is very incorrect. If you don’t understand them…then research them..its not that hard there is a very large site on lj itself you can even go ask the questions, If you ask honestly I’m sure a few would be willing to answer you.
@9mmleftshinki
lol I think you hit it on the head, it’s a little bit deep/shallow for each person but its the basics.
@akria so i was right! yeah its a label that people used all the time in Malaysia. Sometimes I believe girls in Malaysia like boys that easy going, care free and easy to approach over boys that is rightful and all leader type. In high schools “thugs and bad boys” are way famous compare to the prefects.
@9mmleftshinki. are you from malaysia? me too^^
@gothicat
I gotcha >.<
@Gary Yes I am. Cheras baby ^^ Pekabo?
@akria : well, maybe i’m wrong, but i’m not interested to find what’s correct about this yunjae fandom…i just don’t like it, whatever the reason is…i’m sorry, it’s not that i’m being rude, i’m sorry if i sound rude, but any stranger who don’t know about this boy-boy pair thing in k-pop fandom would think that they’re gay. unless there’s a confession from the artist, i’d like to think that they’re not. even though the fandom is not about the gay thing, other people would still think that way. so i prefer to avoid this issue.
If thats how you feel thats how you feel.
I disagree to the point that people who saw yunjae with put the influence of yj fans thought they were gay…people who saw Jaejoong alone…thought he was gay. You can’t control the mind of others.
Forgot to say…
does using the non-knowledge of kpop actually work…because at one time we all didn’t know about the kpop system…and we learned.
@akria sorry i rush so dont explain too well
what i mean to handle the craziness = its you dont jugde people based on your biased and even tough some hardcore biased who try to bash we must keep cools and give them the facts not by bashing
that my ideal jyj fandom
well we found something we can agree on…although I wish that for all fandoms not just jyj cause its kinda hard for one to be that way when chaos is surrounding them.
@Akria, Aki, 9mmleftshinki, coffee craze
oh, thank god you guys get it too. i sometimes felt insecure about myself for not liking someone that a lot of other people find to be oh-so-perfect and not really being able to explain the reasons why.
@9mmleftshinki
“Sometimes I believe girls in Malaysia like boys that easy going, care free and easy to approach over boys that is rightful and all leader type. In high schools “thugs and bad boys” are way famous compare to the prefects.”
LOL, true. i remember a teacher talking to us about it back in high school. i didn’t really get to see this for myself cause i was in an all-girls boarding school, but i did realize that the seniors who were rebellious had a lot more “secret admirers” from the juniors than the seniors who were “skema” (someone who follows all the rules).
Bu many of us just support the both parts of this couple. And we’re getting punches from both sides – JYJ and 2VXQ fandoms are hating us despise that we’re actually the most faithful and respectful fans for loving both sides.
@ anixs.
(If people are blaming the Indo fans for planning the yunjae banner shouldn’t they also be mad with all the previous fans that put up yunjae banner during the showcase.. I’m not saying it’s not desrespectful to JJ/JYJ but the yunjae fandom is a group of people that support JJ, granted they also support yunho but that doesn’t mean we as JYJ fans can just tell them to stop..)
What cjes is saying that a promoter shouldn’t be telling the fans to make the banners that do not consist of JYJ, or use of there names alone. Now if Fans bring banners that support other things on there own to the concert then that is different. But being a promoter they are to promote the artist that they work for. It’s very disrespectful to tell fans directly to make banners in that sort of content cause then it looks like your not supporting who ever the artist is that you are working for ,also its unprofessional being that your being that it’s your Job…
i know finnaly what happen now…
hiks…
it so hard to understand ppl bashed jaema bout the canceled concert in indo….
jaema please be strong, we support you here…
mian if cassie indo hurt you, but please believe that we love you more…..
Ummm..
I just want to say that actually CassInation wasn’t even one of main Cassiopeia fanbase in Indonesia.. Even many of Indonesian Fans get confuse because we never heard ’bout this fanbase before.. And their fanbase based on Facebook n Twitter only (no specific blog or forum) .. They also unprofesional in managing their project like DCI.. What shocked us more was that the admin of this unknown fanbase was also DCI immature president..
I think what alr said above was true according to what I see here.. Thx for ur hard work to provide this.. Hopefully those who blame C-JeS and JYJ can realize their mistake..
really??? wow dat girl have really serious mental issue… seriously!!!! but indo fans do not apologize 4 her behalf… just hope jj will be just fine with this… 😀
i heard they were just formed less than a month and already chosen as “official fanbase”, of course, the creator is the president of the promotor, i’m not surprised…
@Vie_HaNeul
Thanks for verifying that the info from DNBN is correct. It is always helpful if a local fan assists us in understanding things better and we appreciate you for doing this! ^^
im glad it was cancelled…its for the good of jyj.what they were planning will really dissapoint jyj if it push thru…to thai JYJ fans please cheer loud for JYJ…let them feel we love them as JYJ & not members of tvxq.its so clear they are trying their very best to be known as JYJ.
I don’t have energy anymore to blame whether its cjes or dci…..I unfollowed JYJ’s twitter temporarily…I don’t even dare to listen to their songs,looking at their picture for now….its like miracle when they announced they’ll come to Indonesia….I don’t blame the members….but I just want to tell them how hurt it is to lose hope….
😦
please do come back.
I am so hurt too. I bought tic, and flight tic. I am from Pekanbaru. I feel my heart crushed the moment I heard the cancellation.
U shud take a break from fandom.
Hope u will come back soon. Cheer up ^^
kiyo dont lose hope pleasee
Yes. Take a break. Go do other things to remind yourself where you real life is. Come back when the sound of their voices makes you smile again. That’s a very mature way of dealing with this.
Oh this made my heart feel better..
I was so expecting the concert and now it’s cancelled, and I felt so sad after the cancelation announcement.. T.T
But actually, I feel relieve too honestly..
The reason is because I knew about YJ banner project, and I hate that. I dont want the “Yunho” accident that happened in Thai happen in front of my eyes here. That will hurt JYJ and hurt me too..
And for the reason, I believe in C-Jes since the beginning. Never put my trust in DCI especially after they spreaded bad rumour about Jae. They hurt not only Jae n JYJ, but us, the fans..
Now I just can hope that someday somehow C-Jes can give us another chance and there is a trustable promoter that can bring JYJ to Indonesia.
JYJ Fighting!! p(^.^)q
For all intents and purposes, I’m glad the concert with this promoter is cancelled. I really want JYJ to be known there and hold a concert for what they are now not because of what they were, though I’m not saying we should forget their history (am i making sense?).
No comment!
Can we just left the YunJae thing?? We can’t say them to stop because many of Jae supporter were YunJae shipper at first.. We can’t lose Jaejoong supporter cz in this state we need more support for JYJ..
And from what I see, Indonesian fans consist of OT5 fans n a little JYJ stans (I never see Homin stans).. Most of OT5 fans was made from YunJae shipper.. Because I think if not because of YunJae, they must become HoMin stans more..
The popularity of YunJae shipper cannot justified their behavior or intended behavior agaisnt JYJ. Come on, to prepare the events and banner of Yunjae in JYJ concert?? They do not have any respect to JYJ, only self-satisfaction.
I don’t think they meant to AGAINST JYJ or disrespect JYJ at all. Don’t judge YunJae fans like that, please!
I’m YunJae fan too so I understand their behavior though I don’t agree with theirs. Actually, many YunJae fans believe YunJae were and are still in romantic relationship so they think making YunJae banners will make JJ happy, ok? Don’t judge YunJae fans like bad persons… I’m so sad… They’re just still living in delusional world the face the reality now, how sad it it 😦
The fact is that JYJ needs all the support they can get now. Slandering YJ fans is just ridiculous. They’re paying for JYJ concert tickets also and buying JYJ merchandises. OT5s support both sides and if you want them to pick a side because they can’t side both, you’ll only be hurting the fandom.
Yes, they need all the support they can get. OT5 is important in JYJ fandom. But at least they need the basic respect for artists. Ohterwise, they will be another burden that JYJ have to put up with, just like extreme stalkers. Criticizing the faults cannot be allowed because JYJ needs supports. Wow it’s a news to me
Krystle
I have gots to AGREE! People don’t get it. Yj fans are fans also and cutting them out/getting rid of them is loosing a big part of the jyj (homin, , Yunho & Jaejoong)fanbase sadly. People keep complaining about the Thai event…but I thougt everyone already knew Yunjae was very (very) popular there It’s one of the reasons Jaejoong such a response there (its high % of yj fans who are jj biased). In fact Yunjae is the most popular in a lot of places. Yunjae is also the shipping system that brought in the most fans. People need to realize that, and if Jaejoong (who is apart of the yunjae fandom) isn’t trying to end it why is everyone else?
You don’t see the point. Just because you buy tickets and merchandise doesn’t mean you can do whatever you want. Yes, JYJ needs all the support they can get but not at their expense.
As for OT5s, I really am dissapointed in them. Where were they when SM announced TVXQ & Cassiopeia as just Yunho & Changmin? How come a fandom of at least 750,000 strong didn’t fight to keep the name and the fandom together? It’s fine if they want to continue supporting both sides but do it separately.
Who said that meant they could do what they want read again and understand.
@Krystle: Totally agree with you 🙂 I don’t agree with some YJ fans’ immature action but please! no need to slander all YJ fans >_<
SECOND THIS! Also, If any member of TVXQ is actually gay this support definitely worth much for him. To be loved, to be respected and to be supported despise homophobic issues is a wonderful gift from fanbase.
I’m not telling any Yunjae or OT5 fans to stop. Just do it respectfully! I don’t appreciate people trying to shove their beliefs down my throat. I especially don’t appreciate “fans” shouting someone elses name or waving irrelevant banners in front of JYJ. If you want to support both sides, do it by supporting JYJ when it’s their time and HoMin when it’s theirs. Is that so hard to ask?
MTE
This is gonna be immature but
hahahaha
Sorry but isn’t that about the same?
And what does supporting both sides has to do with yunjae?
@Akria,
One of the reasons why YJ stans shout YJ in any event is that it shows support for both group.
@Akria
I’ll just comment here to make it easier. You do seem a bit immature. I’m replying to the comment above about YJ’s & OT5’s. The majority wants to support BOTH groups for obvious reasons but do it the wrong way. If you go to a JYJ concert, you support the 3 of them while they’re there. If you go to a TVXQ concert, you support Yunho & Changmin. Is that hard to understand?
yhen13 and youloveme
Both of you are inncorrect, if you’re gonna speak on a group of fans then research them atleast.
Most Yunjae fans scream yunjae to show support of yunjae >.> Yes there is a difference between yunho jaejoong tvxq homin jyj and yunjae >.> There are tons of yunjae fans who support neither tvxq homin or jyj but just YUNJAE. Thats support-age of a pairing not a group or their music for that sense.
And if you go to a jyj concert it doesn’t have to mean you support jyj how many go cause they just one member and they only scream make banners and show support of that member >.> Yeah I’m immature cause I see a bigger picture…please
Agreed. That would be the respectful way to support both groups. Ideal? I don’t think YJ fans will do that tho ^^;;;
(I probably finish most YJ fics out there, it doesn’t mean I’d channel what happens in fics to reality.)
“There are tons of yunjae fans who support neither tvxq homin or jyj but just YUNJAE. Thats support-age of a pairing not a group or their music for that sense.”
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“Thats support-age of a pairing not a group or their music for that sense”
…………………
“not a group or their music”
i would atleast hope anybody if they buy a ticket to a concert they loves the music. If this is true it is very sad.
sorry bout the typos >.<
@Juno
I’m not speaking on their brains just there actions tons have done it…
And I’ve seen weirder things like people who go just so they talk about how much hate it…twilight would be a big example…not once but multiple times. Again not speaking on their smarts…just their actions.
@akria
Thank you for the LOLs!
@juno
That is a very good question! Why go to a concert in support of
only 1/2 of a pairing and not the music? Make NO SENSE to me.
and btw miss I can’t read, I never said yunjae fans go to concerts and not like the music..that was implied by juno (which I have seen it happen, but still not what I said)
I said that pairing support-age and group/music support-age is different! There ARE fans who don’t like tvxq, jyj, or homin music but like YUNJAE.
@akria
There’s no need to be mad. It’s not my fault you can’t read.
^_______________^ ROFL
@Akria, Don’t get me wrong. I’m not against YJ since i read YJ fics. It’s just those are the comments I’ve read when fans were asked why they shout YJ.
Oh, and i forgot to add, me and my sister also feel the same for YH though we both like YJ. It’s because we feel he tries so hard that maybe he’s not being true to himself anymore.
IA. Know your boundaries.
@Akria Verbally assaulting someone doesn’t make you look smarter. You said there’s no reason to hate but that’s exactly what you’re doing. I’ve got many friends who love YJ and I have to agree with YouMeLove. It’s a bit scary sometimes because they live and breathe Yunjae as if their lives depended on it. *shivers* But, they support anything Jaejoong and Yunho do because that’s Yunjae.
um, there are several wrong informations here
“Even print promotions through the newspapers and magazines were extremely sparse (Short informational feature in the magazine IndoWorld and newspaper Pandeira were largely the entirety of this).”
It is not true, i have bought at least 4 magazines (aneka, gadis,asianlooks,asianhits) and 3 tabloids that promote the concert, even do a two full pages review
about JYJ. And to add, it is just a few amount of magazines & tabloids i can found 3 days after the press conference were held by DCI, there are still many magazines & tabloids that promote the concert.
“DCI has misrepresented to the press and the public about the tickets selling out when they have not, multiple times, causing serious confusion to and hindering fans and potential buyers. In fact, there was much anxiety in the Indonesian fandom about just how well the tickets were selling because there was no accurate information.”
I’ll tell you the reason. DCI has planned to sell 5 types of ticket (vip A, vip B, gold, silver, bronze) but suddenly, C-jes asked to add the standing area too, so DCI hold the tickets sale, and added the festival class. After that, everything went smooth enough. You could ask buckupshow for more information.
“DCI’S DESIGNATED OFFICIAL FANCLUB CASSINATION WAS AN INAPPRORPIATE CHOICE FOR A JYJ-CONCERT. IT IS “OT5,” I.E., SUPPORTS ONLY TVXQ5, AND HAS SOLICITED FOR AND PLANNED FOR “YUNJAE” EVENTS FOR THE JYJ CONCERT”
First, there is no official fanclub for JYJ or TVXQ5 in Indonesia. There are several fanclubs though, but none are official. Even the biggest OT5 fanclub is not cassination, but TVXQIndo. Cassination can be considered as new OT5 fanclub in Indonesia. About why the OT5 fanclub that handled JYJ event, it is because most of fans in Indonesia are OT5 fans, still believe TVXQ will come back as five. That’s why there is no fanclub made especially for JYJ.
There is no use to blame any party here, both DCI and Cjes have made mistakes. The concert is already cancelled, JYJ fans already hurt, please just don’t bring it up and wound JYJ fans in Indonesia anymore. Now, the fans are focused to the probability to change promoter. Thank you.
I love your comment!may I hug you?*hug*…..this post just to clear rumours I guess….I hope,after this,there will be no one bring it up again….it’s just open an old scar….now,everyone in Indonesia should pray for the best :D….
I’m on your side !!!
one I regret the most is the president behaviour, only that. If we can’t see them here now,, maybe we can still see them later. We believe that they still have a long term career anyways. Just believe in them. And please just stop blaming each other,stop blaming dci, stop blaming cjes and stop blaming OT5 fans, just try to positive thinking
Thx
sista yes we have a magazine promotion but “extremely sparse” and it is also always the smallest pond.
and for the standing or moshpit.. It even was told from the beginning, because they could give to promoters who flashmob videos before the DCI so that’s a sign ^ ^.
and yes we are trying to make miracle now ^^
Written by esmiux@LJ on OMTD (via @y_aya_k)
“honestly we don’t know what kind of production they were asking for and even though this might be hard to understand to some people that are not quite familiar with concert production and artist management, most of the times the requirements can’t be adjust to fit the promoters’ budget and venues, especially when you are talking about a big scale production. Artists send in advance something call a ‘Technical Rider’ which includes all the production requirement from P.A systems to in-venue catering, if the company here -DCI- wasn’t able to fulfill these requirements is not the Artist’s fault.
Besides the production problems, this concert can be done without any problems if only CJES Entertainment would have wanted to kindly negotiate with us and not forcing one side to oblige their impossible requirements.
My field of work is Concert production and artist management, and this statement alone shows the lack of professionalism from DCI as a production/promoter company. There’s no such thing as ‘forcing one side to oblige’, there are requirements a promoter/production company must fulfill, and the artist itself isn’t forcing anyone, if you as a company can’t handle a show because technically is too difficult for you or you just can’t afford it, you shouldn’t take on it.
For example, you’d be surprised to know that the Lighting system for David Guetta is twice the artist’s fee alone, someone might think its crazy but that’s what he needs to make his show/concert.
Honestly is not as simple as it sounds and DCI sounds really unprofessional, imo. LOL i’m just rambling now.
Point is, this is DCI trying to blame the artist because they couldn’t fulfill the requirements, and most often than not, that situation alone is enough to void a contract.”
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The way I see it, DCI is incompetent to comply to the requirement from CJeS. CJeS, in order to steer the con as planned, was planning to go to Indo to work things out on DCI’s payment. DCI can’t afford that, hence the cancellation. Maybe it’s true that Korean entertainment industry is hard to work with, not just CJeS, as Mr.President from the largest promoter said.
It’s a matter of a competent promoter that they can work with. Even if the large promoter is reluctant to work with Korean Artists, then what left are smaller companies that may be not able to handle the job >.<
I hope CJeS or other Korean Ent Mgt companies can adjust their work protocols to be more friendlier and flexible. Also, I hope that there's no intervention from the dark side of the world.
Ahhh… now i get it. *nods*
Thanks for sheding some more light on this issue during these dark times… ^^
i am sorry for the indonesian JYJ fans.
but after knowing what the organiser was planning
to do regarding the yunjae stuff, i just am glad
that the concert is cancelled…so sorry for feeling this way.
it is clear that the organiser had ulterior motive
not to promote JYJ but Yunjae n the other 2 memebers as well thru their TVXQ5 banners. this is so disrespectful!
n what does Jaejoong has to do with the cancellation?
INDONESIAN JYJ Fans…
Please create your own fanclub
n make sure members are pure JYJ Fans.
i feel for you.
dont worry, when the time is right
JYJ will be able to come to Indonesia.
things happened for a reason…
i guess this round is not the right time yet.
Indonesia Fans. ❤
thank you,,your words is so worthy ^^
thanks so much
Thank you for your kind words…..^^
I think the only one who is disrespectful is you. Jaejoong is using AKTF motto (and he knows what it means to a faithful fans) and TVXQ in his twitter bio. He’s still proud to be a part of OT5 but you’re the one who hates 2VXQ and supports JYJ only. Ad thinking that YunJae and TVXQ banners are disrespectful for JYJ. Such a shame for to participate in immature and close-minded fandom like this.
i feel so sad. I want to scream out loud!
please, not all cassies love Yunjae!
I always warn all cassies in my group to not yelling “yunjae” because it’s hurting to Jaejoong oppa… T-T
I am so sad if people think that cassies plan to do that.. it was only a part of us who are so irresponsible and don’t consider Jaejoong’s feeling T^T
All that I feel now is so shattered by this cancellation..
it was hurting so much..
I was in pain since monday..
I even take a deep breath very often in a day because of this sad situation….
I can’t help my self to cry..
It was so hurting.. I never feel so hurt like this…
but I am not a member of cassination
I’m so lucky to not become the member of that group!
we love JYJ purely!
lucky you. i join that cassination just to get the ticket and transports. But i dont think all the member of cassination dont love JYJ purely. they just panic and confuse (just like me XDD)
i dont even join any TVXQ fanbase in Indo since the i know then reason behind the lawsuits cause i support JYJ not TVXQ2 eventhough JJ just twit that he JYJ from TVXQ but he is my geese who already turn to angels from JYJ
i;m not goo in comforting people feeling but we here know that not all cassie love junjae. please cheer up^^
hello,I’m Indonesia cassie..
all the recent news that appears only on the cancellation of the concert. there is no clarity.
and finally the truth had come to the surface .. I’m really embarrassed by the news. I’m sorry for everything that has happened .. even beyond any forum seems to talk about us,, really sorry ..
eventually everyone knows that Jae really has nothing to do with the cancellation ^ ^
@nindya dont feel sorry. im also indonesian. we are for fans who endured great suffering due to Dcancellation.
i give you hugs
*receive the hugs
I just feel sorry about persons who blame at Jae T_T
thank you 🙂
well, at first (when CassINAtion still new forum) we have discuss it. at first time, we already agree that we woludn’t talking about JYJ past or something like that. then I didn’t sign in for a bit long because I was tried very hard to get the ticket, and never open that forum or see the twitter account again. so when I read this article, I’m really surprised.
I think we have made an agreement before. I know that there are a lot of Indonesian Cassies which are YunJae Shipper, or other TVXQ couples. maybe they want to make that banner with hope if JYJ see it, it can send cassie hopes to see them 5 together.
so please, don’t blame Indonesian Cassies. I’m sure that we didn’t want to hurt our oppa’s heart.
as Indonesian Cassie, I would like to say sorry. we really don’t want to hurt our oppa..
😥
The Yunjae thingie seriously taken way too far. Its not cute and its not pretty. Its a pain in the a$$ to shove your believe, fetish, obsession, fanaticism etc on other people. In this case clearly had hurt other people. Why cant people see its damaging etc. People give freedom for you to like what you like and you definitely have all the right to do it, but all action must be well thoughts over as to how it may affect others. You cant be selfish and ignorance. I seriously pissed off seeing what written up there as to how this ignorance had taken way too far over stepping a very thin line of being insensitive and disrespect. And yeah….come lecture me on better fandom recipe what ever shit you have. Better Fandom My A$$. Drop it already.
IA the yunjae thingie is taken too far, and so far that it actually hurt one of our precious member.
BUT OF COURSE NOT ALL YUNJAE SHIPPER LIKE THAT.IT JUST THE SOME IMMATURE ONES BRING BAD NAMES TO THE REST OF YUNJAE SHIPPER
u mad? of course, im referring to those immature ones.
@9mmleftshinki
I may be wrong but I’m think it’s sarcasm.
oh-kay….i missing the point / is lame
@9mmleftshinki. no i’m not mad^^. i just want to make sure those yunjae fans read this rather than accuse jyj fans generalizing all yunjae fans
@Gary youre a good moderator
@9mmleftshinki LoL
I know you did that on purpose, I meant the CAPS LOCK…LOL
yeah… cuz i did that too… XDDD
I am guilty of disrespecting JYJ on numerous occasions now and I am sorry. Even though I meant it when I said I wanted to whip cream Jaejoongies whole body and lick him clean, I shouldn’t have said it. I am sorry I told Junsu I wanted a “ride” but his hips was just too inviting. And I’m especially sorry to Chunnie because I always envision him smiling sweetly at me … naked. JYJ, I am sorry for allowing my imagination to get the best of me. I promise not to be selfish anymore and only post sweet innocent things!
@9mmleftshinki Laugh it off love!
@9mmleftshinki
very well said. Mow, to get people to stop all this madness so JYJ can move on as they want to. this does nothing but hurt them. just think of all the work put into the album “The Beginning”, do you think Kanye West wants to hear this stuff after helping them get started in the US??? I don’t think so, and these people pushing this boy-boy thing should keep it to themselves for JYJ’s sake
In my opinion, C-JeS’ message to the fans was more professional than DCI. But that said, this should have been done behind closed doors (to protect both companies) and not affect the fans. Both sides are in the wrong.
Furthermore, DCI gets no respect from me when they dragged JJ’s name into this – especially since this is a problem between DCI and C-JeS. And if fans paused instead of looking at this emotionally and THINK for a second, there would be no need for such doubt on JJ. Seriously. Besides that, it is extremely unprofessional to publicly slander the people who hired you, DCI – past or present. No one hires an unprofessional squealer.
True. i dont they will get a second chance to promote any major groups.
Yep. Not that I want to point fingers (because this whole thing is honestly all very fishy) or do the blame game (because both DCI and C-JeS has this down pat) but given DCI’s track record, I hope no one else hires them for concert events.
So much fail lol…
I just want everyone to stop pointing fingers at each other, to be honest.
Please read this:
http://duckraddish.wordpress.com/2011/03/29/open-letter-to-cassiopeia-jyj-fans-homin-fans-and-ot5s/
I think recently this fandom is so….
This is post for clarifying rumours about JJ, not for accusing anyone or accusing YJ fans. If you don’t love them, that’s ok. But don’t try to hurting others who have different opinions.
Anyone read the article on TheJYJfiles: for the better fandom?
Please, don’t fight against each other.
Please, don’t hurt other fans.
And I’m really sorry for Indo fans. Hope your second chance will bring JYJ for all of you ^___^
as indonesian cassie , we are very sad and apologized for the stupidity of dci who is really dissapointing. We are sad bcoz jyj can’t do a concert in indonesia , but we’re more sad if our idol treated like that 😦
Its not indo cassies fault. Dont apologize
You guys are like the victims actually.
>.<
STAY STRONG!
indo cassies FIGHTING!
i’m indonesian fans that already settle everything to watch them on 9th…
i really feel bad about this cancellation..
hiks..
but thanks for this explanation…
i really hope someday JYJ will come to indonesia and greet us with a better condition than this one..
really hope..
Indonesian fans please be strong…we’ll give another try with better promoter.. ^^
Ouch (My head is really spinning with all kind of opinion and suggestion.
I think as a new fans, i am really getting all news that i am not aware of before. YJ shippers, TVXQ shippers, OT5 shippers and JYJ shippers. Even that divided to JJ shippers, Junsu shippers, Yoochun shippers
To me it doesnt matter whose shippers you are, as long as you dont go beyond and above by slandering/badmouthing the others coz you wanted your bias outshine the others. It doesnt help JYJ at all if fans start all these war, etc, etc.
@jiji-sama
I really really agree with you. Its good to have a real JYJ fanclub in our country. Even in my country, i know there are a lot of TVXQ fans. Its so frustrating when i want to talk about JYJ and there is no one to listen to me.
Indonesian JYJ fans, stay strong. I really really hope that you people will one day manage to bring JYJ to Jakarta
Holy mother…. I’m a yunjae shipper,and I feel a lil bit awkward now ,so our jaejae hate yunjae fans? ㅠㅠ
No one knows how jj feels but seemly a lot of others do.
This personally has nothing to do with jj other than his connection with cjes, and the dci which is far cause I’m not sure he’s even met the people.
NOO I think your missing what is being said here. Cjes is just stating what they found unprofessional of the promoter and giving some of there reason for cancellation.. There not saying anything about JJ he is not the one handling the concert production on cjes side for one thing.
no….not like that. Jaejoong will never hate his fans.
Jaejoong love all his fans
NO HE NOT….just between DC and C-Jes, he never say hate any his fans only THANK YOU HIS FANS…pls dont spread or believe rumer…JJ HAVE ENOUGH HARD TIME AREADY…if you are a real YJ fans love JJ too..i think you understand him..not rumer!!!
The way I see it, some pretended to care for JYJ but there’s a real plan to SABOTAGE? even going that low slandering Jae. In a way that JYJ fans always pray from them SAVED JYJ from working around those pretenders. It’s too painful to think what more damage they could have done if they are given privileged to get close to JYJ.
MY heart goes out to real JYJ fans in Indonesia..whether those solely fans of the 3 or those that are fans of the 5. Real OT5 or Cassies and real JYJ fans will understand and defend JYJ. Least, all of us want is for them to get hurt further. Indonesian fans who really love the YC,JJ and Junsu, be strong, JYJ needs you to be strong. Knowing them they also feel for you. The decision could behard for them because of you in mind…but they will never give you less than the best. wait and wait much longer ..JYJ’s worth the wait.
Lesson for CJes choose who to trust. Yunjae fans, like TVXQ5 fans, its hard to wait for a reunion and its hard to not to be vocal about the fandom but YunJae pairing can be MISINTREPRETED in other places/countries which can put both Jae and Yunho in bad light. If they are both present and can explain the situation well, better but only one present and given the current situation, it will be hard for both. If love Yunjae, set aside personal wishes for their sake. Loving always goes with some sacrifices. maybe during this point, need to be more and more patient waiting for Yunjae time, much like waiting for TVXQ5 reunion time. Real YunJae fans love Jae and Yun then they will/should not put Jae or Yun in awkward situation. what worked before may not be appropriate at the moment. if carried by so much passion for them then can move on to the right way. setting aside a bit for ourselves and being more sensitive of their feelings will be a big help to them.
Thanks to Cassies who also dearly love JYJ and thanks to those who are solely JYJ fans for continuously supporting JYJ! long road ahead, many mountains to climb but we will be with them every step of the way!
Yunjae fans, like TVXQ5 fans, its hard to wait for a reunion and its hard to not to be vocal about the fandom but YunJae pairing can be MISINTREPRETED in other places/countries which can put both Jae and Yunho in bad light.
THIS!
Look who likes to play a couple matches
Please keep to the minimum courtesy of jj
Jj favorite couple because you are dying, do you know that?
When you’re up in front of people, not just because you play your favorite couples profane jj are you going to?
jj is the man
Nature, the most manly member’s face when all you need to play for a couple do, be a victim of?
jj is a pushover for you?
I made that YJ banner already,I made that without tht cassination orders! So its not all they’re fault lah,what’s wrong with YJ banner btw? Ppl feel free to make a banner with their own decision!
you seriously miss the whole point. Read again especially all the comments.
you need to read all the comments with open mind
:(, :(. 😦
It’s fine that you made a banner on your own that is not what there saying. I think you should re-read.. You need to understand DCI was given a job. There are things in the professional world that you have to go by and follow. They are promoters and as a promoter they have a role to play. There job is to promote JYJ so that means all things JYJ. It’s unprofessional to do other wise , and yes that mean telling people to make Yunjae banners and have things that are not solely about JYJ. Now there not saying that you a FAN cant there saying DCI has showed unprofessionalism in handling things..
LOL I really don’t want to start trolling!
This is just a side note but I find it funny/ironic that everytime yunho and jaejoong’s name is put together it becomes all about Yunjae. Like in this post theres a lot of “info” the highest percent of comments is talking about yunjae/yunjae fans. Its even more ironic that the reason for the cancellation is actually just speculation, things that were seen and gather as “oh that could be a reason”. The taking care of rumors were understandable so you would think people would be going off on stuff that can actually be proven, but instead and unsurprisingly its the side info that you’d have to be there for or have inside info on that is getting the attention. Im not speaking on if its right or wrong just noticing it is funny. I’ve been in the original (tvxq5) fandom for years (so much has changed and now I don’t even know what to call things) and I’ve noticed that no matter what it’s about The yunjae part gets the most attention. I’m starting to think that even if someone posted “Man kills 5 women and yunjae fans stood on the side lines and watch” the yunjae part would still get the most attention. That strange…def considering…
am i bad for saying that what you said actually true. The Yunjae fandom in itself is seriously amusing tbqh.
You can’t exactly blame the yunjae fandom its jyj fans here talking I’ve spotted like 3 yunjae fans. Fandomizing in itself is funny in my opinion.
Oic…that’s what you mean then.
yep, I don’t dislike yunjae fans…actually I don’t dislike any fans, jyj, homin, tvxq5, jaesu, hosu etc.
I feel like its too personal to dislike someone…and too much energy when they’ve done nothing to me. Def since every side has it’s bad side.
wait well I don’t like hotels…but like I said every category has it’s “hotel” types. Plus it may just be me but the lines seem blurry and everyone just has a problem with someone or something.
@Akira lol…
this YJ discussion brings me back to Saula time…
well, tell it to yunjae shippers too. i’ve seen a lot of post on SYC that has nothing to do with yunjae, and the comments there will end up bringing up yunjae. for example, when there’s a post about JJ’s kissing scene on Heven’s postman, some yunjae shippers started to tag along yunho, wtf ? or when sexy intermodulation pics started going around, some yunjae shippers didn’t forget to bring up yh. non yunjae shippers, like me, always try to ignore this kinda thing, but if it happens all the time, what should i feel ?
What exactly is your point lol.
My statement says when yunjae is brought up its all about yunjae…I’m talking about nothing but that so….don’t see the reason to your post def sense I’m not dissing anyone just noting facts.
ignore it, feel nothing. You’re not a YunJae fan, why bother trying to understand? Read the post, skip the comments that you think are irrelevant and move on. They bring up JJ or YH in a JJ or YH post because they’re YunJae fans. What do you expect? Why do YooSu fans or other couple fans can do that but YunJae fans cannot? After all, YunJae has been a sub-fandom under the 5 names, and it has quite a large number of fans actually. Don’t think it’ll disappear just because TVXQ splits.
i feel sorry for our JYJ family in Indonesia. and Yunjae..well i agree they have to keep among the fandoms.
It’s funny hearing people talk about jyj in america and gay vs. hetro image.
Let me just ask…You do know they’re gonna be called gay either way right?
I’ll even list the reasons for you…
1). Because they’re Asian: That sounds wrong…and it is but people are immature and they probably won’t even think they’re gay but gay is (used) as an insult here and it will be used just because they are different.
2). The way they dress…
Like it or not they dress differently in korea than here (def at concerts/videos).
3). The big here…Touchy
American…men aren’t as touchy…and it will be noticed. They touch and like to invade each others personal space…
4).Vocal love
American men arent as vocal on their love either…not even for family. JYJ…def JJ is.
5). There Looks…def jj and Yoochun (if micky has his long hair)
Sadly gays are looked upon to have this certain image…and people will def feel that they have this image.
6). The past…
No matter how toned down or eve if it disappears now…yunjae was still in the past, theres still videos and media and all that kind of stuff on them. When someone comes to focus a lot of people look in there old stuff..def singers. And people will look and even if they just search jj yunho and yunjae will eventually show…Just saying
I’m not arguing with anyones points but america is america… And I’m telling if jyj make it big in america Jaejoong has a high chance of getting asked if he gay, there will speculation, and judgement…regardless. He could change his whole personality and it would still happen, just because of his features.
You are right about most of this but the thing is I believe they are talented enough that they can get past a lot of this and oh boy I am about to get reamed here but Americans are going to find the fans loving, obsessing over, and coupling guys with guys really strange! I’m sorry but they won’t get it at all and they will find that more of a turn off to JYJ than anyone being gay or not. If new fans hear the music first and foremost then JYJ can probably get past all that but if the first thing they learn about is Yunjae and the Yunjae fandom I am afraid it will be too much for JYJ to overcome. So you are right it may not make any difference if the Yunjae fans stop now or not but I don’t think it would hurt to at least try to help the situation by keeping it on the down-low. Who knows with JYJ’s talent they may break all the stereotypes.
I disagree, because even if you have homophobia in america it is actually a big place that do pair shipping (hetro & homo) Its not exactly the same as asians (they don’t expect fanservice) BUT they do still ship. And JYJ’s fanbase is gonna freak out americans either way. In good and bad ways. Why because fanbas-ing for americans is different than for kpop. But no ones telling them to stop their bad ways…cause it aint gonna happen for one. Kpop fans are gonna over-dominant (not the word but I’m gonna go with it) the americans and seem overbearing and too much at times.
And people could hear jyj and like them regardless either way.
Of course the shipping thing is everywhere but I am referring to the general population. I know referring to what is the norm or what is and isn’t acceptable doesn’t mean it’s not here. Like I said I agree with you but like I also said it wouldn’t hurt to try to help them overcome the biases in any way possible. That’s my point.
Oh I get what you’re saying, don’t misunderstand
But what I’m saying is this isn’t gonna make it easier. If you wanna make it easier don’t try and erase or hide a fandom because of ignorance or those who dont do research instead set up something like a anti-rumor give people info on how the kpop system work or why yunjae fans exist. Theres a lot of things that could be taken into consideration..like people could see how badly yunjae fans are talked about and the homosexual culture could be turned off by jyj because of those fans who talk badly and no matter if people want to admit it or not the homosexual (lgbqt) community makes up a big part of success (lady gaga, beyonce (I’m not calling beyonce homosexual I’m saying a big part of her fanbase is homosexual), even adam lambert who gets talked about because hes gay)Michael jackson (who had every type of person as a fan) Prince . I just find it weird that people are so focused on homosexual aspect that they forget that even the greats had “homosexuall speculations)” and those who was actually supported by lgbqt community were waaaaaaay more famous. Bigots are gonna be bigots at the end of the day but there are some people who will just be mis/un-informed and the best way to handle those people is to get them info not try to close out, tone down, or erase something that cant be erased.
@Akria
I totally agree with you. This pairing things… i need to really understand it since i am not familiar with this. When first i become JYJ fans, i love to see how good the bonding between the three of them, and thinking, wow, they are really close with each others. When i saw JJ and Yoochun sang that colors’s song, i really fall for their expression. To me, its all brotherhood things, close friendship, they understand each others and so, so. Never it occur to me it could be beyond that, so thats why i never understand this thing call pairing or whatever.
“Just because of his features.”
🙂 I too agree that he is pretty, thus it caused some pain when people start throwing things at him . JJ cannot help the way he looks. It is not his doing that he is pretty. In my country, they are guys who look prettier than JJ, more feminine that us girls, but some of them are married and have kids, too. So its us, people, who like to think the other way and putting the label on them. Poor JJ. The more he try to look masculine, the only thing people notice is his pretty face.
Lets try put ourselve in his position and asked, Why are people so cruel to me? What have i done to them? How much more can i take it? If we dont like the answer, then stop doing things that hurt other people.
JYJ Indonesian fans, please stop blaming yourselves. If you are a true fans of JYJ, JYJ’s family know that you will never do any harmful things to them, coz we love them too much. We share your frustration too. We feel your sadness too.
Lets us pray that JYJ concert in Thailand will goes smoothly like our director’s plan. At least with that kind of news will lessen our anguish for them
@Akria
Not everyone here thinks like that, I don’t. They already had a showcase and people were turned away because they didn’t expect so many people to show up. Don’t speculate what is going to happen here, you may be surprised. I like the clothes they wear and maybe some people may like a change in their perormers too. Don’t be so negative before they even come back to the US. Your suppose to “Keep the Faith”.
Yeap.
That is why they don’t need more “help” to be called homosexual.
All that stereotypes and add fans making huge banners and screaming to the world you have a homosexual relationship with another man….
i wanna say, please change the promotor and JYJ still come to Indonesia 😥 i still don’t believe this 😥
Aiiiish all of these sad indocassies on this thread is making me sad too.
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Lets hope they can do that!
i hope they can go to SG, indonesia n malaysia 2!!!!!! jyj please come to msia… i think cjes oso have lack of profesionalism in this situation…
I don’t blame you I think a lot of people wanna say that, and not just people in indonesia, because either way it makes jyj look bad. I think when the problems first started they should’ve started looking for other routes to take.
I’m Indonesian fans too. I’m really try very hard to get the ticket, even I can’t study for my mid term test because I always stayed in front of my netbook, coz I don’t want to lose my golden chances to see them.
I was very happy when I’ve got the voucher, which means finally I can see them.
when I read the cancellation article, this makes me cry. I was blamed DCI for their unprofessional attitude. I think it’s their fault.
but when I see this, I’ realize it’s not only their fault. even I really don’t know about this YunJae banner, it still means that we, fans also makes mistakes.
I’m really sorry, I know that we don’t want to hurt our oppa. I was hurt too when I see this article.
please forgive us..
I hope JYJ oppa still want to come to Indonesia, maybe next time, with better promoter.
oh dear. i feel sorry for you. i think you should focus on your test now. we here jyj fans also pray and hope jyj still want to come to indonesia. don’t worry much
thank you very much for your support.
it really makes me feel better..
can I hug you? *hug*
No one said the fans are a fault.
(3) DCI’S DESIGNATED OFFICIAL FANCLUB CASSINATION WAS AN INAPPRORPIATE CHOICE FOR A JYJ-CONCERT. IT IS “OT5,” I.E., SUPPORTS ONLY TVXQ5, AND HAS SOLICITED FOR AND PLANNED FOR “YUNJAE” EVENTS FOR THE JYJ CONCERT.
(a) Through their Tweeter and Forum, Cassination has repeatedly and explicitly condoned and encouraged fans to do activities that are disrespectful to a JYJ Concert, such as shouting names of people who are not part of JYJ. In fact, there is evidence that Cassination was making a Yunjae Banner to bring to the JYJ Concert and had plans to stage a high-profile Yunjae event. (See http://i56.tinypic.com/2h51x8y.png)
(b) This shows a serious disregard for the respect owed to Jaejoong, Yoochun, and Junsu as people and artists.)
Where saying that DCI(the promoters) that the above is unprofessional of them to start a forum or site that consists of things that don’t are not only JYJ..
Please understand this. No one is blaming yunjae fans at all.
I just wish Cjes can source for other promoters in Indonesia to bring back the fans’smile. A postpone concert is better than nothing.
But seriously, Yunjae has such significant negative impact? I thought this coupling thing is very common for Kpop boy band. I am a Yunjae fan. To me, Yunjae is just strong brotherhood. Nothing else more than that. I never thought they are gays in real life. But of course these was before the lawsuit.
Anyway you do not need to say sorry for this. This is not your fault. Wish pray for the better.
JYJ fighting!!!!Gods with you guys and we support you i always pray for your great success.
tita ardiati karma will haunt you back, watch out.
hope someday jyj will come to indonesia 😥
aaa so sad , feel like crying
OMG! Pls no more fanwars. Every fandom got bad eggs. So everyone need to understand, pls no more generalising.
This statements only to help fans to know the situation.
I personally didnt blame all yunjae fans. Its fine for you to ship/spazz about them.
As long as its didnt disturb the artist’s work.
And tbh, I am dissapointed with cancellation of Indo’s concert. As I bought my flight tic already.
But I wont resort to bashing anyone.
So Pls calm down everyone.
Dissapointed is fine but pls no bashing.
Thank u
I feel bad about the indo concert def sense a lot keep saying they’ve already bought flights and stuff. I would have to spend a little over $1,000 to go see them in newyork If I paid for everything already which in my case I would, I would be broken cause I wouldn’t get to see them and everything keeps saying…no refund or only percentage(hotel & plane).
This is so out of topics, please excuse me. Our beloved admin, is there any airport pictures of our Chunnie? He arrived at Bkk already. I really miss his photos. Am glad that the three of them are together and practicing hard to please the fans. JYJ Fighting!
Both CJeS are at fault in this situation. The ones who are suffering are the fans and JYJ’s reputation. They should at least salvage the situation in Indonesia by trying to get another promoter.
I’m really sorry for the heart-broken Indonesian fans and I’m pretty sure the members of JYJ are too.
And for those Indonesian fans apologizing for DCI’s behavior: in Korea there’s SM, in Japan we have Avex – compared to that DCI is really nothing to be so embarrassed about.
I’ve been really really in despair since the rumor started. If you really want to know DCI twitter:
@DreamCIndo
TITA: @titapuu
Another DCI crew: @99calisto
and so-called-resigned-CEO: @RD_husk
Both tita and her partner already locked their tweet after the rumor spread and so-called-resigned-CEO never tweeted again after the official ticket sales launched.
Fortunately I’m one of lucky fans who already got my money back because I bought in from credible ticket box @JakartaConcerts. It really breaks my heart knowing that @DreamCIndo still haven’t announce any plan or procedure to refund the ticket.
I hope this heart breaking event didn’t defame other Indonesia promoters that already succeed brought KPop artists and planning to bring some more. And C-Jes could find capable and reliable promoter to bring JYJ here in Indonesia.
Thanks a lot for international fans support. It really means a lot to Indonesian fans.
I have nothing to say except NOT ALL INDONESIANS ARE BAD LIKE THIS.
oh srsly, DCI makes Indonesian cassies looks like antagonists. well thank you very much =___=
No one, I REPEAT, no one said all Indonesians are bad. It’s just like in the fandom, you get the good, the bad, and the ugly. So don’t think too much of it.
i just read from OT5 site. they said jyj3 is dumb because try to spread rumors concert cancel because of jae gay image -.-
Which site is that? Care to share?
really. i can share? that blogger is among the commentors at akanishi tweeter post
wosh she comeback here ?
if people talk behind your back, it only means you’re two steps ahead! thats my comment for her
Oh really?
If JYJ3 is dumb, they are dumber coz they came in and read OUR posts.
HaHa. I agree.
A++++++++++++
love the logic
hahah…soooooooooo agree!
ahhh… so we have a spy amongst us? LOL
i love spy movies! im just having fun with this insider thing that’s lurking here… i will not be surprised if JYJ3 will reach 2MILLION hits soon bec of them! ROFL:DDDD
@sam-sam
Bond. Janette Bond. At your service! Remember, I like my Jaejoongie shaken & stirred & served up in a black bow tie – everything else is optional! 😉
@sapphie (i can call u that, ryt? ^^)
LOL
My name is Bond. Jane Bond. I like my Jaejoong shaking, with his hips rolling… and yes… serve him in a black bow tie… ONLY with a balck bow tie… *licks lips*
Sammie, I mean Jane, get over to White day vids, I need your help. Some delusional fan girls think THEY are Jae’s wife?! We’ve gotta rescue him from the crazy goose girl!! 😉
PS: you can call me anything you like, just help me resuce Jae, then we’ll seduce him together!! I’ve already got the red silk ribbons ready! 😀
Ha I’m offended. I am not a goose girl! I am just someone who decided to live on Neptune for the time being!
@phoenixia
Don’t be offended. I’ve heard you Neptunian goose girls are the prettiest!! 😀
*Pacified* ^____^
There you go!! 😉
That was a lot of reading ^^
aiyo. kenapa la ada setengah fans yang support 5 nak marah kat fans yang support 3. ada setengah plak kata jyj3 site ni bodoh sebab nak pecah belah dbsk5. apa nak jadi!!! sepatutnya fans yang support 5 bersyukur sebab jyj dapat banyak new fans yang boleh tolong buat promotion nanti. kadang-kadang pelik sebab nampak sangat fans yang support 5 nak fans yang support 3 support yang dua lagi. tolong la kami respect decision depa nak dok kat SM tapi aku x bapa nak minat lagu-lagu depa dan jugak sora depa
I don’t understand. Anyone willing to translate it to english?
sorry if you don’t understand. i’m just kinda piss off by some comments
is this malay ?
^^ i put it through google translate
i think i know what you said 😛
HaHa it is ok. My Malay friend translate for me. If any error, please do not blame us.
aiyo. how come a number of the fans who support the 5 wanna be angry at fans who support the 3. There are also some fans who are saying that the jyj3 site is stupid cos they are causing splits between the 5 members of DBSK. What’s Happening???!!
Actually, fans who support the 5 should be grateful that JYJ got a lot of new fans who can help to promote them later on sometimes it’s weird cos it’s obvious that fans who support the 5 wants fans who support the 3 to support the other 2. Please lah
🙂
@Gary
Ini kes kelakar. Hak memilih dan hak kebebasan menyokong telah di cabul oleh Penyokong5, Terlupa agaknya JYJ3 untuk peminat JYJ bukan DBSK. Depa tak paham mengapa ada yang memilih 3 saja dan bukan yang 2. Hahah, ayam tak patuk, itik tak sudu 🙂
@Gary~~~huh?
LOL Biaq betoi! LOL fancy reading Malay here!!!! and those that try to Google translate….it must be hard since there’s dialect language in the comments
i must to endure pain…..that concert is my only chance n it’s gone. I’m begging on my knees just to watch this.usually my parents never agree, but becoz April is my bday they allow me for once…it’s a miracle but in the end it’s just a dream…….
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i feel so sorry for you i dont even know what to say
Dont lose hope!
You will see them someday!
dear cheer up. i’m sure jyj is looking forward to meet indonesia fans too. everything happens for a reason dear
I hope Cjes and JYJ hear our voices and arrange for another concert. But this time, Cjes needs to do their homework well before select a promoter. There will be chances since JYJ loves all fans and will wants to meet all of us. Cheer up!
HUG…you will see them one day in the right time, dear!
your brithday come here jyj3 family i want to wish you happy brithday!
Thank you JYJ3 for this article. It enlightens and supports many opinions expressed through JYJ3 by some of the fans, including me. So, yesterday when I stated that I was thinking that the whole story and the following non sensical gossip was released only to discredit C-Jes, JYJ, and specially Jaejoong, I was right. It came from a bad intended source (the Adriati woman and her TVXQ5 friends), whose lack of profesionalism and conscience is obvious. Everything was planned by evil TVXQ5 fans, only to make JYJ look bad in front of their fans and their public. Fortunately for JYJ, the concert was cancelled, because it seems they were planning to victimize and disrespect JYJ in other ways (C-Jes allegations and actions were well funded). I suspect that the Thai fans who disrespected Jaejoong in the tv show, were encouraged by infiltrated and evil fans; ¿maybe TVXQ5? Nobody knows by now. I feel so sorry for the true JYJ Thai fans who were deceived by DCI.
Ups….I meant I feel so sorry for the true JYJ Indo fans who where deceived by DCI.
Please don’t generalize OT5 fans. I’m sure many of them who were going to the Indonesia concert were also hurt by this cancellation.
I’m sorry if I seem rude to you, I’m just being careful of inciting more fandom wars.
@aki
ahh… the fanwars… *sigh*
thanks for helping me moderate…LOL
@sam-sam~~U R sooo cute~~~and u’ve really been working hard lately! ^_~
@aki~~thanks for helping sam-sam out, she needed a little break! ^_~
Dear Ms. Aki: I’m not generalizing anything. I was very clear. ¿Are you a friend of the Adriati woman? I suppose not. ¡Are you an evil TVXQ5 fan? Neither. So, ¿What are you fighting for with me? NOTHING. And please, read well before blaming innocent ones.
it’s really unfortunate for Indonesian fans not to be able to see them coming to the country. I also feel so sad. it’s also liked another embarrassment in JYJ’s career as well. i mean the tour is called WORLD TOUR but only Thailand is one of the official asian country right now.
I knew this could be happening because of several unsatisfied works that done by DCI since the very first time. like about selling tickets, before DCI announced the official news/info about where and when to pre-order or buy the tickets, there was already the so called forum Cassination started taking pre-orders from the fans. even though Cassination had already been pointed to be the official forum that would handle the ticket selling, but still, it should be done once DCI themselves already announced the date and place officially on their website. and there was also even another facebook fanpage who also taking pre-orders from fans which no one really knows where these two were the same or not, people were confused to whom they should trust their money to. all of them were saying about guarantee that they would really able to get the tickets etc. but since DCI did not make a proper announcement, whom to believe?
most of them were scared whether or not it was true that Cassination taking the pre-order. my friends just afraid they would be tricked for the money.
that one basic thing as a promoter has already FAILED. how could they think they still abled to fulfill their job in production and everything where they messed up bout the ticket selling?
about the YJ thing, it’s a JYJ concert so why don’t we support JYJ as they are right now?
and i don’t think JJ is needed to always be reminded that he needs to think about Yunho. I’m 100% sure even without fans telling him to, he would always remember about his best mates even it’s already in the past.
and I want to know why keep on calling Yunho’s name in front of JJ but not Changmin too? some fans saying that it’s for supporting all 5 members at once even though it’s JYJ/TVXQ’s event/concert,but it’s clearly that some fans do not really care about the 5, but it’s only about YJ. aren’t all 5 members the best mates no matter who is closer to who?
madness. i cant believe it. TT
this is ashamed. i was prepared everything for the concert. i was looking forward this for a long time . but…
*speechless*
my heart shattered. TT
dear i feel so sorry for you. we here international jyj fans pray that jyj will come back to indonesia in the future. please cheer up
Indo fans are part of JYJ global family
This will never change
Indo fans fighting!
yes! indonesia fans please cheer up!
Indo fans heads UP!!!!!!!
Stay strong!
FIGHTING!
Indo fans fighting!!!
In a way, I am glad to see this Yunjae thing come out and be dealt with. At the Tonight Show in Thailand when they yelled Yunho’s name and showed the “Yunjae is real” banner in the audience, Jae’s response was, “I really want to have a girlfriend.” He finally answered it directly.
OT5 needs to deal with the fact that both sides are moving on. If they try to hold onto the old age, it seems only damage will come to JYJ and the fandom will get hurt as well.
Woah~~~ lotsa reading~~~~ kekeke~
Let’s keep our fingers crossed, everything bad happens for a good reason; and every bad thing that happens helps us learn and move ahead for the better~~~ As long as we keep love, respect, integrity, acceptance, peace and harmony in mind, we will live to see a bright future one day~ ^^
I’ve always wanted to shout out loud:
Long live the beautiful pioneering angels of freedom, love and honesty! JYJ Yay!!! q(^O^)p
Oh, btw, frm all the communications I see here, I have concluded time and again that conveying messages correctly and reading messages correctly are VERY important~~ It seems like the English language is not the easiest language to understand correctly, and I see lotsa miscommunication going on here~~ It’s a pity, coz we all have the same mission in mind (supporting, loving and protecting JYJ till the end of time), but due to incorrect use of the English language and misinterpretation of the meanings between phrases, there’re quite a number of unnecessary “extreme emotions” breaking out here and there~~~
Hmmm….. I wish we could all try to understand properly every commments that have been made before jumping to “not so good” conclusions on our own people (all fans who care for JYJ) or even to say bad things or vent out bad emotions. Hopefully all is resolved soon and we will always be able to stay together, united as one to support our boys~~ ^^
Love y’all!~
love u too ,,^^,, … keekee .. i hope i’m not one of the not god user ENG ..^^ cuz isn’t my language ..^^
after i read this ( i’m not reading the comment yet ) ..
just think ,, thanks god the c-jes cancel the show ..
what a bad promoter is this ,,!! they turn every thing to mess ..
I’m really feel comfortable after reading this .. and just feel sad to real JYJ Indo fans .. how just suffer from all this drama and rumor … really feel sad cuz when I put my self in their position .. i will really be sad cuz no more JYJ in front of my eye ..
but ..^^
i will try to relief again and be excited to fancam and pray every day that their will be another chance to watch them in real ..
Indo fans be strong
JYJ fans be strong
JYJ we will love u ever .. be strong ..^^
love u all .. and big hug to suffered indo fan *hug*
indo jyj fans, we all love you! please don’t feel sorry or ashamed or whatnot, because we don’t think any differently of you! ♥
i think we should all have this mindset that when someone talks about group A, then they only mean a part of group A. there are way too many comments about oh, u can’t generalize group A. or not all group A people are like that. or someone who is in group A being offended. i think it’s pretty safe to assume that people only mean a group. like many have pointed out, every group has their good and bad side. or we can all prefix our comments with this only applies to a smaller group. or something?
I agree with you. I’m an Indonesian and feel so ashame for what DCi n it CEO done. But I feel so sad because many jyj fans from other country think that way…Its like a dot of ink which mess the whole paper on a desk.But it so hard to manage jyj fans here after this chaos, me & some of my friends still try hard to bring JYJ here…
about the cancellation, its not money problem but the hope to see JYJ first time in Indonesia. DCi & Tita made huge mess and will affect other Korean management to think again when they want to hold a concert or fanmeet in Indonesia…and with what I can see from DCi press release I know DCi didn’t realize what they have done!
poor JYJ fans in Indonesia…poor me
*cry cry cry*
Yunjae thing is OK for Aseans… they could totally understand even for non-fans since most are familiar w/ kpop culture… but thing is… if JYJ is going to embark on US market… man-man pairing is a NO-NO. JYJ needs to expand their fanbase in US.. and to do that, they need to adapt to American culture.
lets just hope all the best for JYJ…
Cjes needs to strengthen their management to better handle big stars like JYJ
https://jyj3.wordpress.com/2011/03/22/summary-110322-radio-interview-with-thais-jyj-world-tour-organizer/
have u read that post?
i cant fully blaming to dream catcher indo..
Well… JYJ is getting used to have outstanding stage with the level of Tokyo Dome. But DCI should know about this before they invited JYJ, right? If they cannot then they should not invite them in the first place. Remember, JYJ are artist. Of course they have their own level performance on stage right? If DCI dared to invite them, they should know the risk.
If they felt that the terms of the contract were unreasonable then they should not have signed it in the first place. No one was forcing them to. I realize that it would be difficult to do a Tokyo Dome-like concert in Indonesia, but this is about whether DCI was keeping their promises. If they were and Cjes made demands not included in the contract then of course Cjes would be the one at fault. That doesn’t seem to be the case here.
yes.. indonesia JYJ’s fans cheer up.. we’ll find a way to make them come…
hwaiting !!!! ^^ *hugs*
Dear JYJ Fans,
As a kpop listeners, I’ve been listening to kpop since 2003 and kpop made me what I’m now. I witnessed year by year, kpop music is being recognized in Indonesia. From small group of people talking about kpop until today, kpop is starting to become “a big deal” in Indonesia, especially due to the number of fans.
JYJ concert isn’t the 1st kpop event here, but I tell you guys that JYJ concert might be an opening for total kpop wave in Indonesia as currently the number of fans is increasing rapidly. That’s the main reason why “Dream Catcher” wanted to bring JYJ to Indonesia, they wanted to fulfill fans’ request.
DCI is a new player in E-biz and at some point they are not ready enough to handle A class kpop artist such as JYJ. I agree that one of the DCI staff-that-you-have-mentioned is unprofessional; My professional side said,”ranting about works in twitter isn’t appropriate”. However, we have to take a look once again,that’s her “personal account” and people have no right to judge/claim or whatsoever about the tweet itself.
Ok enough about Dream Catcher *or whatsoever*…let me continue..
Dear Friends, I understand that most of you are still young and if I may ask, how many of you here are working or having a career in the entertaiment biz? event organizers or even promoters? Do you understand how the contract is made? Do you understand how to run a concert? Ok..I’m not here defending the promoters, but I’m here for what DNBN has said.I’m Indonesian and for your information, this article have been circulated internally between Indonesian promoters/concert-production houses/Event Organizers and Local medias. This article seriously gained attention and the effect is, several promoters/concert-production houses/Event Organizers even sponsors would re-think/re-evaluate/re-view the current on going negociation for upcoming kpop events involving kpop artist.
WHY?
Because,this article has left the impression that “KPOP artist/management” is hard to deal with. They are now aware that KPOP FANS is “serious business” and “Indonesia KPOP fans” are hard to deal with (same with the artist/management). Promoters/concert-production houses/Event Organizers even sponsors’ nature of business is to “SELL” the concert and gain profit. However,how can they sell well if the FANS behaviour isn’t supporting them? How can they close the deal with “KPOP artist/management” if at the end they loose their reputation as promoter due to fans behaviour?
Dear JYJ fans, concert cancellation is a common thing in entertainment business and the cancellation must be done as the result of win-win solution between two parties. I do understand the fans’feeling/emotion as the result of the cancellation. Maybe you have booked plane ticket,hotel (which is unrefundable) and you have invested your expection as well. However,this kind of loss shouldn’t be handled emotionally, writing a long article (such as DNBN) damaging Indonesia reputation that might be causing another “big” loss such as: ANOTHER CANCELLATION FOR UPCOMING KPOP CONCERT.
Please be a mature fans, world isn’t about JYJ and JYJ isn’t the center of the earth. Fans should act as a FAN,cheering the idol, listening to their music without prejudice in mind. Think about other people who might be now at the great loss until they have none. Think about the other KPOP fans in Indonesia, they are patiently waiting for their idol to come and hope that there will be a promoter to organize the concert. THINK about it.
Regards,
Sas
Age doesn’t count for maturity. Knowledge and understanding count for maturity. Also being a fan for more years than someone else does not make a person any more understanding or knowledgeable about Kpop either. I don’t agree that this article is making Kpop groups seem difficult to work with. It is just clearing up the rumors that have been circulating about C-jes, DCI, and Jaejoong. How is that damaging? The only thing this article does is show that promoting is an extremely difficult job and if any company is not up to that job then they should not attempt it and if you do and it falls through you do not slander the group or members of the group you were trying to bring over for the fans to see in the first place. Kpop fans especially the Indonesian fans have every right to be hurt and upset and they have every right to express that hurt. No one said the world revolves around JYJ and this post is very condescending and that wasn’t really necessary to get your point across in my opinion.
thanks for dropping by. but i think jyj fans here are pretty much mature. yes they hurt but they are not responsible for upcoming or not other KPOP idol concert.
seem to me you blaming indonesia fans and i see you probably hurt because this cancellation might turn away your idol from having a concert at indonesia.
i apologize for that because human emotion is hard to control and i hope you forgive indonesia fans. they have hard time now because they are the one spending their money and longing to meet jyj.
and again thanks for stopping by and i appreciate a lot your comment^^
Dear Sas
I’m sorry if my logic different from you but here is my 2cent :
“people have no right to judge/claim or whatsoever about the tweet itself”, did you know there are law cases in Indonesia that start from social networking sites that make some institution drop a lawsuits because tarnishing that institutions ? that tweet intended to someone who’s working in entertainment and she who also working in entertainmets biz must be aware about it.
“This article seriously gained attention and the effect is, several promoters/concert-production houses/Event Organizers even sponsors would re-think/re-evaluate/re-view the current on going negociation for upcoming kpop events involving kpop artist.”
Is this a bad thing ? I dont work at entertain biz, but im career women and to learn something from other company failure its also ways of learning. I believe many promotor will just learn who to handle this “serious business” more carefully because the hallyu waves still, will and always exist in Indonesia. If even there are ANOTHER CANCELLATION FOR UPCOMING KPOP CONCERT will just prove that indonesian promotor and Kpop artist management still have so much to learn together.
And i dont get it what you mean of mature fans are ?
if mature fans is cheering the idol, listening to their music without prejudice in mind. Please dont make a prejudice that the JYJ cancellation will make indonesian promotor will stepped out from being a kpop promotor. and please start cheering them