Recently, all of Korean media’s attention has been on SM’s concert soon to be held in Paris. They declare SM to be leaders of the Korean Wave (Hanryu), spreading the Korean culture to even non-Asian countries. On the other hand, despite their upcoming large-scale North American tour, JYJ has been receiving virtually no coverage.
But let’s think for a moment here. Is SM’s concert in Paris really as impressive as it sounds? Are they truly the only leaders of the Korean Wave? Is their concert major enough to deem JYJ’s World Tour insignificant and therefore unworthy of media attention?
Take a look at the following chart and see for yourself.
Hm… Let’s take this one by one.
1) Sponser: JYJ‘s sponsers are AEG, one of the most famous promoters in the world (you can read more about them here), and Samsung Mobile (do I really need to explain how huge of a company and success Samsung mobile is?). SM, on the other hand, is basically sponsoring itself.
2) Number of artists performing: Only Jaejoong, Yuchun, and Junsu for JYJ. SM, on the other hand has at least over 35 people performing.
3) Location: JYJ is performing in 4 different cities in N. America. SM, on the other hand, is only performing in Paris.
4) Seats: JYJ is selling a total of 52,100 seats. SM, on the other hand, is selling 6,300. Three people selling 52,100 seats versus 35+ people selling 6,300. You do the math. Who has the greater selling power? The answer is quite obvious.
Conclusion: A group of three people are working with a MAJOR worldwide promoter and company, performing in 4 North American cities, and selling 52,100 tickets, while a group of 35+ people virtually has no sponsor, and is performing in only Paris and selling only 6,300 tickets. I am in no way suggesting that SM has no role in Hanryu.Their concert in Paris definitely enhances the Korean wave in countries outside of Asia. However, in terms of scale of upcoming concerts, it doesn’t take much to figure out that JYJ clearly is the winner here. If anything, JYJ’s concerts are definitely larger in scale and are more vigorously spreading the “Korean Wave” in non-Asian countries than SM’s concert in Paris. So tell me Korean media, where are the reports covering JYJ‘s leading role in Hanryu? At the very least, JYJ’s World Tour deserves the same amount of recognition as SM’s upcoming concert. Dear Korean press, when will you stop your biased media coverage? Are you proud of admitting that you are under the control of an unjust figure? Isn’t unbiased and fair representation long overdue in Korean media?
Source. 김박김월드 in DC TVXQ Gallery, withJYJ
~*We will always be with JYJ!!*~
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JYJ jjang!!I don’t wanna hate SM..but as long as I don’t see DBSK is 5,I’ll never turn my head to SM!!
AMEN.
100 %agree with u… no dbsk 5 no sm
hey, can you please tell me whether the concert tickets to U.S and Canada have been sold out? Or the percentage ….I heard they were doing pretty good =)
Korean Media is a bunch of cowards. That’s all I know.
agree with u korean media/press coward,,,
Totally like the last few sentences!!~
OMG. I loved this article so much that I had goosebumps. KOREAN MEDIA, WAKE UP!!!!!
I agree with all what you said but I don’t think JYJ’s tickets are all sold out
Don’t worry,they’re selling the tickets,and the concerts is not ready to start,so ,just one of those concert sold out ticket -enough to beat the Paris -SM,WE DON’T NEED TO COUNT FOR THE TICKETS FROM THE REST….,RIGHT?
The article didn’t say that JYJ’s concerts were all sold out.
this should be publish in all korean news so that the blinded one will realise how jyj being treated unfair by THem..
That’s why I am always pissed off by the Korean media and entertainment business 😦 why are they so biased and unfair?
A+ post =D this is what i love about JYJ family~ filled with smart fans ^^
@Chocogurl, SEE, I found you again. Hello.
HI unnie ^^ btw what should i call you?~ any nick names? =D
I’m going to have sweet dreams tonight.
Goodnight everyone!!! *falls asleep with a smile on my face*
I don like comparison, but K Media and SM manipulate public too much.
Sm always chose small venue to *show* how successful their concert is, lolzzzz, *tickets sold out* always sound good regardless how much tickets are sold. Oh SM, you always want to show your face. I bet that Sm idols have to use their own money for this concert. Just imaging, with that tickets sale, for sure that it can’t not cover all costs for stage, venue, expense for bunch of SM idols and staff.
Anyways, SM can fool itself and media, but I think no one buy its story, especially ppl in Ent. industry. JYJ are always highly respected and demanded there, from musical , drama, endorsement…
Sm just keep doing what you are doing now, then you will go bankrupt very soon. lolzz.
“Just imaging, with that tickets sale, for sure that it can’t not cover all costs for stage, venue, expense for bunch of SM idols and staff.”
Wuah,,I never think about it..you’re totally right
That could be way SME is thinking of doing another concert there. To match up.
true!
poor SME Family… The Family that PAYS(their expenses) together goes DOWN together!
@Sam-sam, that’s a bitter truth.
Exactly, this Paris concert is a marketing ploy. Trying to ‘beat’ JYJ to Europe first! Well, guess what SME, it’s quality, not who’s ‘on first’! Just keep in mind SME, as was mentioned, you have to ‘eat’ the costs of this small venue.
Yes, JYJ had to ‘eat’ the costs of their showcases last year, for some piddling reason of the P-visa. Wonder how that info came to the State Dept’s attn?
Anyhow, this time around, JYJ don’t have to ‘eat’ the cost of their NA CONCERTS! So, after paying their promoter, they are going to have the remainder to keep them warm at night. Are you even paying your line-up?
Back to that quality issue. The fans who will see your lineup in Paris will have quite a bit to feast their eyes on, that’s for sure. Even if they only get to see their favorites for only a few minutes.
But, and here’s the BIG BUT, JYJ’s fans get to FEAST on their 3 faves….Jaejoong, Yoochun, and Junsu. Can you imagine the level of joy of being able to see, hear,and experience, ONLY the 3 for 2 hours! Now that’s what I call Paradise! 😉
TaTa SME.
lol i swear even if they come to where i live, with full force, full line-up, I”m never gonna so see live, even for just 1 minute !!!! lol
Although SM has “beaten” JYJ in arriving in Europe first, but their success is highly doubtful. Countries, namely the UK, that take pride in their rich and diverse music scene will tire quickly of such mainstream and “safe” songs.
It is rather telling of how artistically debasing the conventional K-idol system is. You barely get refreshingly progressive, personal music because the Kdols rarely ever compose and arrange their own songs; the management fetches someone else to do it for them. The result: a generic, cookie-cutter song that is a far cry from being soulful, personal, and raw.
It truly is a pitiful, backwards system.
Actually SM concert is 100% sponsored by Korean government (Dept. of Culture and education). It’s no wonder b/c both current ruling party and SM belong to the same capitalist cartel.
@jejeleibling
“Just imaging, with that tickets sale, for sure that it can’t not cover all costs for stage, venue, expense for bunch of SM idols and staff.”
An excellent point. The Paris concert is going to LOSE MONEY before any of them ever step on an airplane to go there. Wow! This is the “leader of the Korean Wave??” Good thinking, guys. SM is really batting 1000 in the Brain Trust Dept. these days, huh?
Yup and judging from how they used to handle TVXQ’s finances, it is also highly probable that the SM Artists are gonna be the ones who will pay for everything T__T.
Anyway, that is not JYJ’s problem anymore.
@Jan
“Anyway, that is not JYJ’s problem anymore.”
ROFL!
like dis comment XDDD
jyj is de best…
sm just go to de hell….
dont distrub our angles… ><
Do we even need the comparison? <__<
Spelling it all out is only gonna be so heartbreaking for those in denial.
How pitiful…….. NOT!!!
I'm laughing out loud *muahahahahahahahahahhaha*
Can't help it.
@Shadow, let your heart rejoice over SME’s shame……..
Does anyone notice the fact that this person just compared a “tour” to a single “concert”? I’m all for hating on SM but this is so illogically biased that it turns me off. A better comparison would have been SM Town World Tour and JYJ World Tour. Just sayin’
You’re right. But I think that what they want to compare is the importance media give to an single concert and a world tour.
are you that AKTF guy from youtube and twitter? cause your profile pic looks like him~
Yes. That is me. points for recognition over here 🙂
this is like your first time commenting here right O.o
You are right but, each stadium has more seats than the one in Paris. The location in San Jose has the least amount of seats and it is still much larger than Paris le Zenith
Yes, I try not to be active on just JYJ or Homin sites. But I follow both kinds and when I saw this article I wanted to see if there was a legitimate case being made. But I was disappointed…
@Dibudiaz, as I have said later to someone else, the more logical argument for Hallyu, which is the export of Korean culture over the World, should not be to scale it down to San Jose vs Paris (of which Paris has sold more tickets) but to scale it up to the SM Town World Tour vs JYJ World Tour. Hallyu is a global export correct? and this seeks to find the leader of that global expert, right? than the comparison should be on a global scale as well.
@GUY. Hi, hope you don’t mind but i wanna ask. What’s keeping you faith for the 5? And what faith is it? For the 5 members to be back as TVXQ?
Oh wow it is almost like chatting with a famous person. But yes, JYJ3 should compare previous world tours from SM with the one from JYJ. That would be better. I just want them to release some new songs and mv’s. The whole situation drives me crazy. But I have to learn to be a more patient person….
“of which Paris has sold more tickets”
well yeah, considering that paris has less seats to fill the tickets cost less lol.
*and the tickets
@yhen, for me it just means supporting all 5 of them the best that I can.
@MIA2, I have to learn to be more patient too.
@soojin, the only reason I brought up the amount of sold tickets is because that is a more valid argument than the amount of seats a place has.
AH! Hi~
I’ll be honest and say that I stopped watching your videos (about 4-5 vids ago?). But now that I see you are active (or at least reading) also in JYJ sites like this, I’ll give you another shot. XD
I recognized you too. Nice to see you on this site.
“for me it just means supporting all 5 of them the best that I can.”
To be honest, I’m curious as to how you can support both sides equally. Have you not read the comments HoMin have made about JYJ? Do you just pretend they didn’t slander JYJ or what? Sorry if I’m prying too much, but this perplexes me.
@Guy
“Yes. That is me. points for recognition over here ”
Oh, Hi Ryan,
Glad you could join us, I was hoping you would, especially because you just seemed so….well…. woefully misinformed in your last AKF News video (the one about the JYJ concert in L.A.) I had to just stop watching it after about the first couple of minutes because the misinformation was really upsetting me.
JYJ has been under constant threat from SM and the Japanese partner in crime AVEX to halt their careers and drive them from the music business for the last 2 years. Now, I’ve always taken you to be a very intelligent and highly informed fan of JYJs. Why don’t you know about any of this?
JYJ needs HELP in getting the message out that they can’t even appear on Korean TV because SM has the Korean TV broadcast industry by the short and curlies; they are trying to shut JYJ down any way they can. The two remaining SM controlled idols whom you do seem to adore, YunHo and Changmin, have made many many damaging, hurtful statements regarding the character, motives and ethics of JYJ over the months, assumedly at the behest of SM. That they were told to do so is pretty much a given. That they DID IT is shocking, hurtful beyond measure to the three members of JYJ and in my book, unforgivable.
I realize that you are an upbeat person and you want to keep the videos you do light and “fun” – but the group you are in part discussing, JYJ, has been fighting a war for the last 2 years with people who don’t play fair.
You’ve got a great forum there on uTube. Maybe once you get up to speed on things you could use it to help JYJ with a couple of things. Like not being allowed to do a charity concert in Japan to aid the tsunami victims because AVEX is manipulating the concert venues behind the scenes. This is some ugly stuff and JYJ could use a few more fans in Japan to stand up and say “Enough is enough, AVEX.”
Also–there IS no more TVXQ. There probably will never be a “reunion.” If you know anything about the 13 year slave contract the boys signed when they were teenagers WITHOUT BENEFIT OF ANY LEGAL COUNCIL WHATSOEVER, you know that they’ll never “go back” to SM. Isn’t it a bit fatuous of you to go on and on about ‘The Five’ like they were out taking a little break and would be back together any minute? It’s time to move on. JYJ has. And they’re not looking back.
So stick around for a while, read the forums here and also read “The JYJFiles.” It was a real revelation for me to know what is really going on here with this lawsuit and the incredible daily battle JYJ is waging just to be able to freely do what they do so well, and I’m guessing it will be for you as well.
See you around campus!
🙂
i think SM Town is doing world tour now rite? first stop, korea, then Japan, Thailand, Shanghai and now US? no? since JYJ also does the same thing~
oops..i might get a little bit sleepy so i didn’t read thru ur comment clearly..sorry.. since SM Town also did a tour so of coz they used more bigger venue for their concerts in each of the countries..they might win for that matter..
sigh i don’t really like comparison actually~
I think the point of the comparison was the media exposure a single concert of SMTown in Paris is receiving in Korea compared to JYJ’s North American Tour which are both happening in the same period of time.
Both are Korean acts, both are holding concerts in different countries, but only one act is getting the coverage.
well, even if you pick out one of the locations say San Jose (which has the lowest number of seats) …it’s still more than the SM concert…just saying=D
Anyway, the point is not to compare, the major fact is that the Korean media is not giving a proper coverage to JYJ concert, which the boys have worked soooo hard for, and not forgetting the fact that it is “almost” entirely their work(their songs, their direction),…which is a shame tbh…
While I agree that JYJ deserves more coverage (as always) my comment was in reference to the articles claim (cue title) that it appears by conclusion JYJ is the leader of the Hallyu wave. My disagreement comes from the bias of the variables chosen. Even though San jose has more capacity, it is not sold out, while Paris is and either way the more logical argument would be to compare both tours as a whole. Who is spreading Hallyu more? the answer still isn’t made.
Also, I disagree that the point of this article isn’t to compare when I’m staring at a comparison chart…
Well, if you read the comments above….I guess more people are ranting about how JYJ is being treated unfairly by the media rather than gloating about the concert size….
we don’t need comparisons seriously…because JYJ is just one band and SM has 35 artist…obviously SM has a stronger hand here,
but if you see what JYJ’s international fans have so far done for them (petition etc.) you’ll realize how strong they’ve become. The Korean and international fandom are now connected like they’ve never been before…and since Japan comes under it as well, you must have noticed that JYJ’s charity concert was sold out their as well (35 000 seats if I’m not mistaken) …now Japanese fans are signing a petition as well. Plus last June JYJ were successful in filling up the Tokyo Dome.
JYJ have been selected as ambassadors for several programs now…NR, NII and lotte’s sales have sky rocketed because of them…
now even after all this, the KFC.whtever and Korean entertainment industry are labeling them as black sheep for the Halluyu wave….I guess fans have a right to voice out their opinions…and these figures are not manipulating anyone….we(people who visit this site *JYJ fans* )already hate SM enough that now even if he does something good, we’ll troll=p, and yes like hell we’re biased and we’re proud of it=D
peace out!
That’s the best comment I’ve ever seen. MAD RESPECT. Do you have a twitter?? I wanna follow you 😉
haha thanks…I do..don’t use it often though *just to get JYJ news.. I’m more into facebook* I tweeted you a while ago=p…@ariba26
not a fan of K pop…I’m more into Trance and metal=D …came into Kpop ..well just DBSK after Doushite, now I curse Jaejoong for hooking me up like this=D
@guy
“Even though San jose has more capacity, it is not sold out, while Paris is and either way the more logical argument would be to compare both tours as a whole. Who is spreading Hallyu more? the answer still isn’t made.”
Yes, but you seem to be missing the forest for the trees.
The larger picture reveals that SM is a den of exploitive thieves intent only on enriching themselves at the expense of their poor (literally! These acts never see one tenth of the money they are probably owed. JYJ found that out the hard way.) in many cases under-age indentured charges, whom they work nearly to death, exploit sexually and, as we have also learned, THREATEN when they ask ‘why’ and also ask for things like an accredited, professionally conducted accounting, or God forbid, better terms over-all.
Ryan, these are NOT nice guys. SM as a company does not have “pros and cons.” Their activities are not open to reasonable debate at this point by those of us who have done the homework, read the files and done the math.
We here in the U.S have not seen or heard of such an obvious outrage and institutionalized, criminal behavior and downright unfairness since our own music business’s early years of the ’50s. It is now 2011.
So why, I ask myself, would you seem to be defending SM and their Korean tax-payer financed little Paris do? . Yet again, defending. Well…. it’s disturbing….
Well, even if you take just one leg of JYJ’s concert tour, it’ll also be superior over the other.
Btw, interesting to know you actually hang out here too!!!
Of course! I’m always around. Love this sight 🙂
site*
point noted,
so lets just change jyj’s concert
jyj’s thai con
singer : JYJ
promotor/sponsor : 411 ent / Chang mineral water, fanta, siam paragon
artist 411 worked before : Lee Min Ho, now currently promoting Jang Geun Seuk
Location, seats : Impact arena, est.20.000 for 2 days
I do get what you are saying, but I think in a way you point what the writer is trying to say. It was just 1 concert with smtown in paris right?
It’d be great if anyone do one with the smtown world tour, since I dont follow any of smtown news. It will still be not fair though, smtown are going to perform in Japan for 2 days. While JYJ cant even perform 1 day charity concert.
You got a point! So lets compare them 😀
Korea – Seoul
SM -Town : 35 000 people Ticket price: 11~83 USD
JYJ concert: 70 000 people Ticket price: 103~186 USD
the other places are the same … 😉
That’s actually not the point I’m making at all….Formal logic teaches you to bring up the scale ( tour v tour) not diminish it (concert v concert).
I understand what you mean but it’s a bit tiring to put all the SM Town tour here and , all the JYJ concerts (in wich they sing the same songs)
look for them but yourself and then tell me your opinion …
JYJ definitely wins. Would like to see that article posted here sometime soon 🙂
Actually, i expected a tour comparison too. I would like to see a chart of both tours, especially since JYJ is a sole act, versus SM-Town (35 artists)
Thanks, that’s all I’m trying to say. JYJ would still win this argument 🙂
…did you even read the intro? lol I can’t w/ you rn. smtown in paris is a branch of the smtwown world tour. the people who wrote this are singling out the paris stop because it’s single-handedly being covered in the media while jyj’s large scale world tour is being shafted from the limelight for a myriad of bs reasons. we are all well aware that a “tour” has been compared to a single “concert.”…….that was the point. and this isn’t an act of hating on sme as much as it is an act of calling out an atrociously biased media system for helping monopolize the entertainment industry in what is supposed to be a democratic country.
dude, i’ve seen your videos. there’s a lot about them that i can nitpick about (the words “illogically biased” come to mind), but i won’t even go there. all I can say is that your shtick won’t work here. you’d probably be more welcome at syc. either way, plz just leave and go back to youtube. lmao this is ridiculous.
First of all, wasn’t meaning any disrespect. Secondly, yes I did read it. As I have stated previously, I understand clearly that the media is biased. But the bottom-line is that the argument for SM or JYJ to be the leader of the Hallyu wave wasn’t made well. There are plenty of valid points to make, and I think we can both agree about the non-sequiturs made in this article. That’s all I’m saying.
And by the way, I don’t think being rude when all I did was point out what I saw as legitimate problems and provide adequate solutions reflects well on you. Many people know how much I love JYJ, and it’s my philosophy that respect shows true fans.
You’re so cool. I really like you! ^____^
You gotta hang around here more!
I usually ignore the comments here, but I really enjoyed how you were unafraid to call out on all the logical fallacies.
If they really wanted to prove that JYJ was being blocked by Korean media, they shouldn’t have used a comparison chart (which it is, there is no other way to look at it, since that’s how the data is presented), they should’ve had a comprehensive article of all the blocks, in addition to showing the selling power of the JYJ Tour and the demand shown in other countries. This doesn’t make the case that much stronger, tbh, quality and presentation of the evidence matters as much as the content.
@Guy
“And by the way, I don’t think being rude when all I did was point out what I saw as legitimate problems and provide adequate solutions reflects well on you. Many people know how much I love JYJ, and it’s my philosophy that respect shows true fans.”
Forest for the trees again, Ryan–forest for the trees.
You’ll have to forgive us here on JYJ3. We are, at this point in time, just a tad shell-shocked at the almost daily onslaught of rude, false, genuinely ugly propaganda that apparently a whole section of the SM machine has been tasked with churning out day after day for the last two freakin’ years. It’s made us a bit jumpy.
This is what I would ask of you: read the JYJFiles. Read, especially the writings of Jimmie, our wonderful legal eagle and tireless commentator of the goings-on of this legal battle/saga between JYJ, SM and AVEX. If you can do that, and still quibble about semantics and correct arguments regarding one posting of one blog here, I’d like to hear your thoughts.
I think you missed the point entirely.
A single concert is much less significant than a whole tour. Therefore the Korean media should be reporting on the Tour rather than the single Concert.
It is not surprising that the Concert is drawing less crowd, etc, because it is a “single concert” which is much easier to fill/hold/stage/etc. The Concert is a much less big deal than the whole Tour.
The point of the article is to say that the World Tour is much more of a big deal than this Paris Concert. And this does a good job of that. Obviously, the writer will not be comparing each individual concerts within the Tour to the Paris Concert, because the Tour as a whole is a bigger deal than the Paris Concert, which is her point.
The writer is writing that it is unfair that the WORLD TOUR is being overlooked by the Korean media right now because of a SINGLE CONCERT in Paris. I think she made that point clearly and correctly, and I think you are fundamentally mistaken when you say that this is “illogically biased.”
I think we both have points that are correct, but this is far from clear. I’ve not once disagreed with the bias of the media against JYJ in Korea. But the writer provides many non-sequiturs about the “leader” of the Hallyu Wave in this article too and none of those were adequately addressed based off of what was given.
I can agree to disagree about the logic used in the chart, but I hope this clears up the miscommunication.
I don’t think the person who wrote this was trying to put SM down. She was probably angry that the Korean media was not covering it as much as it should while making a big fuss over SM’s Paris concert.
Koreans as a rule take great pride in Koreans’ accomplishments overseas and usually the Korea media practically goes overboard in trumpeting how great the accomplishment is. The Hallyu wave is a matter of national pride. JYJ is the first Asian artist to be sponsered by AEG and they are having concerts in 4 large venues in North America. Considering how hard the Korean entertainment industry is trying to break into the North American market It’s just plain weird if the Korean media isn’t making a big fuss about this. I’m pretty sure that if this was SNSD the Korean media would be practically hysterical.
By the way I really enjoy your videos. 🙂
GREAT COMMENT. I see your point, and thank you for clarifying the authors position.
O_O
@Guy
This has nothing whatsoever to do with the difference between ‘tour’ and ‘one concert’. This has everything to do with telling SME to kiss A**. Even if the poster didn’t say it, I am.
I personally don’t have a problem doing that. Fairness has nothing to do with this. For all the grief and anguish this company and AVEX have given JYJ, they deserve all the mud slung at them. I don’t believe in being nice to bullies. Until justice is served to JYJ, I will continue to call a spade a spade.
Agreed, sometimes fairness doesn’t matter and for a situation like this I can see your point. Fight fire with fire.
u are right, its not fair comparison, a tour vs a concert. i am surprise u are here though.
imma be real with you – i think a majority of the people here are only kissing your ass because you’re a man. 😡 kpop fandom is notorious for having major penis envy and unfortunately jyj fandom is not immune to this. your videos are aiight, though.
@GUY
hello Guy.
I am a JYJ fan
I am a YC fan
I am a JJ fan/bias
As stated above, I CANT be OT5 some ppl can but I cant
Dont comment much but your comment/name/pic caught my attn
As a previous fan of TVXQ5 living in North America, I look for ways and other fans on the net to get unbiased(after the situation) info, news vids etc, on the boys and was so happy when u came along, being a guy is even better. I also followed and subscribed to your youtube vids untill you revealed that your BIAS was CHANGMIN. I thought you as a ‘news/media correspondant’ it was a big mistake. Of course I unsubscribed, because then it became hard for me to believe anything you said/spazz a out JYJ.
As soon as I saw and read your comment here, i reread it again.There have been a lot of articles(controversial too) on here since the site was started(it is a very popular site) that would have shown your support for the 5, and the 3. I only see you on this one? And i was looking for where you applauded JYJ for even trying and give them props for their accomplishments, before you tell us not to brag because what these lil 3 boys ‘ve done or doing will never compare the whole SM village put together. COMMON. You fail to understand the meaning of this blog. We celebrate EVERYTHING the boys do here: Su scored a goal, YC feels better, JJ wore torn jeans(rightclicksave).
let me be proud of these boys n enjoy this, dont tell me what i know
Maybe i am being harsh or paranoid but as a JYJ fan Ive learned to look deeper and trust no one until i trust them.
On any scale these two are compared to, It a shark and a gold fish. To support these three, you need to keep that in mind.
ALWAYS KEEP THE FAITH/PRINCIPLES
JYJ ‘will be the one’ LAST STANDING
sorry long comment……..naaaaaaht
I’m not surprised of the results. Just, I want JYJ to have more recognisation in Korea, and SM to stop acting as if it and it’s artists are the best ones out there.
I love this article/post!!!!!!!!
I’m sorry..but wondergirls did perform in Paris FIRST, I know its only for opening a showcase, but still.. they are the first kpop act to perform in europe. Even with their US canada tour they went to atlanta,toronto, honolulu, anaheim, vancouver etc and where did smtown go? LA.
I’m sorry to contradict you dear but if i’m not mistaken WG didn’t perform in Paris but in Cannes last Oct 2010… they never hold a concert in Paris (as far as i’m concerned, living near Paris, i so would have heard about it! lol) and they weren’t at all the 1st Kpop act in Europe but Epik High & f(x) -_- some months ago in Jan 2010 in the same location! So this is it for true facts lol
And I didn’t know WG performed in all these countries ^^ Good for them! 🙂
But yay about SM… just lol :p
ah my apologize..it was cannes..and maybe that was my bias speaking..since I hardly follow the others ^^
I wanted JYJ to go to South America before SM =.=
but this makes me feel better ^__^
Well my tline are in an uproar that there’s talk abt smtown in mexico and brazil. Not like I care. JYJ should do something different. They should hold a concert in the middle east. Maybe dubai? 😀
LOL
OMG yes!! Dubai or Abu Dhabi!!! They are sooo near my country! Kisses you!!! ❤
@JUno, ¡OH, YEAH! ¡BRAZIL, BABY!
@Shuheilove
Rockin’ out in Rio! Oh yeah! I’ve always wanted to go there.
@Sapphie, it gives me hope, since I know they’ll come where I am when it begun to snow in Mars.
So, RIO, I’m coming…………¡YEAH!
Please, make that dream come true, please………..
Another reason why JYJ should land their foot in Europe, to put their victory flag there.
I salute JYJ really. They are really brave and confident enough to choose venues that are in a larger scale even though they know their N.A tour will not have heavy coverage and promotions instead they trust their fans and word by mouth to fill in the venues. Unlike SM, sure they could gather 20,000 fans in Staples Area but it was heavily promoted and they were playing safe by having one venue for their concert in USA that could surely be sold out.
Just now I’ve also heard that the concert will be held in Asiad which has the capacity of 53,000. I hope they will push it through.
maybe this is just me but i feel indifferent towards people who are happy to see that SM Town is going to different continents. i can’t help but think that they are purposely doing this to somehow show JYJ and their fans that they have the bigger fan base and that they are truly spreading the korean wave in the world. but to be honest, if kpop would just produce the same tried and tested brand of music that they have now (even for their successful artists), the world will actually get tired of them. some of them just sound the same and the music they produce are all modified to sound a little better from the previous release but sound the same anyway. i haven’t seen a single artist (aside from JYJ and DBSK5) who went out of their comfort zone to try other things, other genre, experiment on a new material. they just release the same old tune, rely on their fanbase to give them the sales and hit record and the cycle just repeats itself. it’s tiring to see them now.
sorry for the ranting. i’m happy for people who would actually go there. to see the artist that you like sing live is an awesome experience. i just feel awkward i guess and probably antis will just call me bitter anyway haha
*i can’t help but think that they (i mean SM) are purposely doing this
… and if someone got offended by the ranting, i apologize in advance
don’t worry it’s not only u who think about that actually
SME just want to show up to everyone that they are more bigger than our boys…let’s just see the result later who is the really the true leader of hallyu wave
No I agree…In my brain, K-pop acts are almost the equivalent of American Disney acts. Wholesome but boring and does not ‘test’ the musical boundaries – most likely because they can’t due to management, a management that wants them to sing standard pop songs (and in K-pop acts’ cases, standard generic K-pop songs).
Spot on.
Of course !!! I think most of Korean Media people failed their Maths subject during school days…. Such a simple calculations still miscalculated….Gals, Guess what JUNSU MOZART tickets were all SOLD OUT !!!…Only JUNSU’s performing days were SOLD OUT….Can’t even get 2 tickets available….Gosh !!!
JYJ really do have a great selling power!TT they are just too talented and lovable! and no matter what SM or other companies try to do to JYJ, I believe that the real talented ones will LAST FOREVER!!!
i love this post ^_^
just let see when JYJ finish the concerts in USA how the media reported it
I loved this article!! Uhmm… i wonder what became of the petition to Ellen? our boys need more advertising in u.s.
i’m speechless….JYJ is so great…
unfair, unfair and UNFAIR! really speechless after seeing all those stupid actions of TV company and press through this two years.. is SM really that horrible? I can understand why TV company listen to SM, but just don’t understand why does the press do the same thing.. did SM give them so much money? lol anyway.. we all have eyes.. who’s more popular, who’s more talented.. that’s really obvious!!! actually after JYJ has left SM, I really don’t think they are still that powerful, because i think that the 5TVXQ was their only biggest weaponds and earning tools in the past! but now JYJ has left.. so.. SM really has loss many things! although JYJ has been continuously blocked by SM, however, I am really glad that they have left SM! At least JYJ are free to follow their own wills! and we JYJ fans never need to pay any money to SM again! lol before they are still under SM, although we all know there will be only a SMALL amount of money can reach their hands.. but we can’t choose but to buy their products to support them even we are not willing to pay to SM! but now everyone are happy including JYJ, and thats enough already^^ being happy is the most important thing~^^
Hold it…..JYJ’s concerts are sponsored by AEG?? Promoted or sponsored?? In any case, Samsung is also a sponsor?? Cool!!! They finally have sponsors and don’t have to fork out everything..
Keeping my fingers crossed JYJ’s concert tickets will sell if not like hot cakes, at least be 85~90% taken ~ ‘Specially for the Vancouver and Newark venues~~ If that happens, that would really help them clinch the title of the most impressionable and befitting face of Hallyu~
On a personal note, I think JYJ’s N.American Concert and SM’s Paris Concert have different nature, so I don’t really agree on putting them on the same level of comparison~~ However, if JYJ’s concert is successful in terms of ticketing and media attention in the Western media, it would definitely be satisfying to see SM hit doubly hard on the head with cold hard facts of JYJ’s achievements outside of SM~~
Praying real hard for the boys~~~ They are exceptionally courageous and talented pioneers, who deserves a whole lot more of recognitions~~~ ^^
No doubt our jyj is the best!
I’m just hoping for a great success in JYJ’s North American tour so that the Korean media wouldn’t be able to ignore the concerts and actually give them the exposure they deserve, just like what happened in JYJ’s Thailand concert.
Hi Aki, I saw ur earlier comment, just want to clarify that since the Ministry of Culture and Tourism is involved in bringing the SM concert to Paris, it is only normal to see it actively promoted by the Korean media, coz it has governmental involvement….. If JYJ’s N.American concerts are successful, I’m sure there will be some coverage as well… Most Koreans are pretty swelled in national pride (excuse my choice of words, but this is true), therefore, anything that promotes the country and its people’s highly-regarded image will definitely make their way into the news~~ In JYJ’s case, we just have to wait for the results before we see some major coverage in SK media~~ Nyway, this is just my personal opinion, cheers!~ ^^
Yeah, I understand that. ^_^ I don’t begrudge SMTown of the media coverage because that’s normal and expected, actually. Also the reason why I’m hoping JYJ’s North America concerts would be a success, so that the Korean media would also report about it.
u really speak what in my minds 🙂
You’re very likely right. Although I can understand the bitterness of the Korean fans when they seem to have to fight for every little bit of publicity for the boys. This is about more than just a single event, it’s yet another example of SME pushing JYJ out of the limelight with media manipulation and an inferior product. And then Yoochun getting kicked off of the promotions for Ripley is adding fuel to the already roaring fire.
Eliza, I totally agree.
If Korea doesn’t want to be viewed in a negative light by the international market, they had better begin taking stock of how their media functions.
It’s not that most MSM in a lot of countries haven’t fallen down on the job, they have even in the States; but with this situation, to have your media so blatantly lopsided is not a good sign. At least in the States there are enough outlets that cover a wide range of ‘political’ leanings.
The shamelessness with which they are operating is not something one can ignore.
@butterfliesarefree2
“….The shamelessness with which they are operating is not something one can ignore.”
Shameless is the word. SM appears to be “running” the S. Korean media like it was their own private mouthpiece.
I said it before and I’ll say it again: WTH!!??
i love this article!!!!!!! i don’t want to be judgmental here, but, hello?!? in the end, the truth would still prevail… you’ll reap what you sow…. don’t be let yourselves be used, media people in Korea. why don’t you take JYJ’s example and fight for your right!!
I think a better comparison would be between all the World Tour Concerts put together.
Generally I don’t like comparisons but! Whoever did this should think about doing that next ^^. It’d be interesting to see the data side by side.
What is fair comparison to boast up here when JYJ not even allowed to perform in Japan. There’s nothing fair & square while playing with devil.
JYJ, fighting to the top of the world and beyond through peace, kindness, and love. Because traditional media may not cover our boys achievements, then is our fans jobs to “invade” the World Wide Web/ internet/ blogs/ social media with our boys’ works. The power of internet is what made Korean Wave, and we can work hard to forward our boys. We just need to do it respectfully and peacefully, but if we make sure that there is not place without JYJ on it, that is a great accomplishment. When you put JYJ in Google there are About 30,200,000 results. This is not bad at all because JYJ fans are doing a great job. It seems the the sun is still not going to shine on our boys’ street for a while, so we will need to show more love and kindness to them and those who are treating them unfairly ( even it’s hard to be nice to them). JYJ, fighting!
Can any Korean reporter pick up this article and run in a newspaper?
I likE this comparison ^^
only 6300 seats??
really?! that so few for a big company
i was expecting like a 20,000 seat stadium but whatever as long as JYJ tickets sell well then im ok
I’m guessing they want to test the waters so to speak. It really wouldn’t look good to use a facility as large as say, 20K, with a ton of folks on the bill, and not have it even half way fill up.
30 idols to test the water?
Woah, shows how confident they are eh? 😛
Aigoo aigoo gals just bring our all your frying pan and not forget the cast iron skillet.SM drama drama what next
great artikel,,,,,lets spread it.to suport our jyj.
THIS IS A MUST READ!!
@LongLiveJYJ said:
SM CEO said to Chosun newspaper:“Our 1st aim is not about being on European chart and selling albums, but about raising awareness of Asian music market by creating kpop fever in Europe and US. We want to establish kpop as a popular genre among mainstream music scene of Europe. Shinee will have a showcase in London afterward“
After extensive coverage of SM concert in Paris by all major TV news in Korea, SM stock price goes up afterward. The concert being sponsored by Korean government naturally made many people to complain like,“Why should my tax money be used for SM!“
It was also reported that SM is planning a concert tour in South America in July.
Humm, both tours(Europe & SA) were considered by JYJ last year but didn’t happen, and now it seems that SM is getting all the news coverage for the same contents with the credit of leading Hallyu, but still no news coverage of North America tour of JYJ concert.
I have a question in mind. When JYJ album promotion appeared on US Billboard, responses from fans world wide were enormous as much to exceed 200 pages on comment section. This is an undeniable evidence of huge international fandom, which was also proved by subsequent votes to make it the 5th album of year.
Later,promotion article of SNSD targeting European market also appeared on the same US Billboard page. SM aspire to make it in Europe by the end of 2012. However, I didn’t see much responses or enthusiasm by fans (at least judging from comment section). But,YouTube view counts is unbeatable (as much to exceed 40 millions) by any other groups. No or any meaningful weight on this discrepancy?
I am not a person of business perspective to have a better perception of how all this would turn out.
One thing for sure: SM is not going to stop being a wicked company as long as their stock price goes up and make good money out of it.
‘The concert being sponsored by Korean government naturally made many people to complain like,“Why should my tax money be used for SM!“
so it’s not their own money which used for the concert but it was people tax money ???? so that’s why they are so confidence to made a concerts huh because they no need spend money at all for those concert
that’s my initial thought when i saw the gov’t agency in the sponsors’ names. I went like WTH???!!! WOW~!!! Just WOW~!!!
@miaw
“The concert being sponsored by Korean government …”
Now THAT is deplorable. Look who’s in bed with SM…
The Korean government.
God! When/where will it end???
excellent!
SME is very smart, using money from taxes to promote SME’s artists in the name of Halyu Wave & all the profit will go to SME.
No one complain about it??!
‘The concert being sponsored by Korean government naturally made many people to complain like,“Why should my tax money be used for SM!“
actually from what i read there are so many people who complain about this matter
There won’t be any tangible profit from this concert. They are flying 35 artists and the additional staff halfway around the world for an audience of less than 10,000. I’m sure SNSD will be covering the expenses that the Korean gov’t doesn’t.
@Eliza
I was thinking that too. They are basically running the concert at a loss hoping the pay off will be kpop expanding into Europe. From a purely analytical viewpoint, it will be interesting to see if their gamble pays off. Pity the idols – a trip to Paris which will undoubtedly be deducted from their own ‘wages’, & they’ll probably be worked to hard to see anything of the city anyway.
pls report @jyjhaters
*bow in awe
(and yes i know about samsung! [just one of the things that amaze me about this article])
its also evident that America has a bigger (and therefore harder) music industry than France
@rilanna
“…its also evident that America has a bigger (and therefore harder) music industry than France”
Yes–by a large margin. France is a tiny country by comparison to the U.S. in every way. The U.S. market will be tough. The language barrier will be the big hurdle. There is a natural tendency among Americans to discount “foreign” seeming artists, to marginalize them. That being said, I am living proof that JYJ can leap over the tallest barricades anyone can construct. These three guys are MAGIC. I believe in them, unconditionally.
Conclusion: JYJ always wins!
Also there are rumors that SM Town will come to Latin America, but as a Latina I am, I will not spend a single penny in SM, I would prefer spend on the YG, but for now I Will not enriched in any way to SM, so sorry by Yunho and Max
I love JYJ more than anything and seriously, all I want for them is to get over that stupid lawsuit and stop living in memories, becoming JYJ, not only JYJ from TVXQ.
But this article … Seriously ?? what’s the point of this ?! I come to this website least twice a day, and it’s the first time I really think you are going too far. Why comparing ?? This is so childish … we all love JYJ here (“JYJ3 Just for JYJ lovers!”), but this seems … I can’t find the word. You’re comparing two things that are not to be compared …
I share your anger and disappointment about the coward broadcast stations and the too little appareance of the boys in the media, and I know -we all do- that everything they promote or are in is sold out. Aish …
You know … This SMtown in Paris is … Why are you looking for winners, and loosers ? This Paris event is widly covered because :
– yeah of course, because it’s SMtown. As you say, 35 people, each of them having a large fanbase, meaning more potentially interested readers
– it’s a first in Europe. America is already known in Korea as a land with a big potential for their artists, and I think they still believe that foreigners who listen to K-pop are asians (they may not understand why we would get interested in their stuff). That’s why Europe is always forgotten when Korean singers plan a world tour. They think there won’t be a public for them, and don’t want to lose money. In this case, a soldout concert, where they think there is not that much fan, is big.
Personal point of view from a French girl following tightly the event (a friend of mine has a ticket) : the people in that concert isn’t only SM biased. It’s a sign to the rest of the k-pop world, a scream towards the sky, dammit, we exist ! we are here and we want you !! If I went (wich I don’t), I would have for JYJ (yeah I know, SMtown for JYJ seems weird), to show them that we are craving for k-singers here and that we need a French (or an European) stop in their next World Tour.
This SMtown was a test, to see if French and European fans are ready to their stars. Soldout in 15 minutes, possibility of a second concert because of all the leftovers who are showing their determination via flashmobs and other events ? I think we passed it. SM didn’t wake up one day thinking “hey what about france ? could be cool …”, it’s french fans who did everything from the beginning. But I don’t know why I’m telling this *has been typing for more than a hour and can’t think anymore*
In conclusion, I don’t think it’s good for us to publish such articles. We just look like angry girls not having what they want … I know this was written in reaction to Korean medias saying that SM is the leader of the Korean Wave. Well, do you really think this article is going to be useful ? We are reading this, because we love JYJ, and we all know how powerful they are ; but those who read the article about SMtown, who d’you think they are ? SM fans/stans ! Journalists know how to please their targeted readers ! You’ve already read things like “a really talented girl group with outstanding vocals” when it was an autotuned song sung by girls in swimsuits, haven’t you ? …
PS : sorry for the long post O__o
sorry but i think u get wrong imperssion from this articles because actually the writer just only want to show us about the unfairly treatment from korean media,,,,,
I swore to myself that I won’t comment but I have to agree with you. As another European here, you said everything what I had on my mind. Thank you!
I´m kinda agree .. but , try to understand please. We, JYJ fans and JYJ themselves are having a really hard time thanks to SM.
I believe that post like this encourage JYJ fans.
JYJ situation is so difficult right now. And sometimes SM´s power looks so scary , like a big wall that can´t be rised.
But, things like this show that it´s not impossible, this shows that the boys can retrive of SM´s awful actions.
Yeah, I think that european kpop-fans are happy that finally some kpop artists are going to their continent. But the media gives all the credit to SM.
And more power for SM is not a good sign for JYJ….
Seriously ?? what’s the point of this ?!
The point of this is to show that the media is again treating a JYJ event as a footnote when it is arguable the bigger event than the one that SME is putting on. This is not to say that the SME event isn’t significant and I’m very happy for the French fans, but it is 10 times more important to the Hallyu wave? Will a Korean gov’t sponsored event make 10 times the impact on the international music community then JYJ working with international promoters and sponsors. Is three artists filling up 35,000 seats 1/10 as awesome as 35 artists filling up 6,500? That was the point of the article. To show that the media is offering a skewed view of what is making up the Hallyu wave. SME is the foam curl on the top of the wave — very flashy — but JYJ and the artists who can create a sustainable career outside of Korea are the forces that are driving it.
@Eliza
” SME is the foam curl on the top of the wave — very flashy — but JYJ and the artists who can create a sustainable career outside of Korea are the forces that are driving it.”
I’d say more like the SCUM on the top of the foam curl. lol
Arguments there aside, excellent points you made, I agree with you.
🙂
To be able to put words on unclear feelings is a gift, and you definitely have it. “SME is the foam curl on the top of the wave — very flashy — but JYJ and the artists who can create a sustainable career outside of Korea are the forces that are driving it.” I’m definitely going to keep that sentence in memory, it’s brilliant and so true. I agree with every single thing you said, and just wanted to add … Is there really people thinking that this concert is good for the Korean Wave ? Come on ^^” I won’t hurt, however all the people who bought the tickets are already k-pop fans … I lol-ed so much when I read that SNSD was likely to debut in Europe. Do you know the french variety ? Most of the famous singers here are solo artists, and the important point is not the melody, but the lyrics, they aren’t chosen for their dancing skills or beauty, but for vocals. What make they think they are going to be successful ? Do they have common sense ? ^^” The only thing for them is their beauty, but there is not that much boys/men into asians. I’d almost hope for them it’s not true, because the way they’d fail would be very cruel.
Well, thank you for replying. It’s was the clearest and one of the most interesting comment I’ve seen.
@soupir
“I lol-ed so much when I read that SNSD was likely to debut in Europe. Do you know the french variety ? ”
Excellent point. The Euro-model for pop stars is very different than the Asian one. And the American one is quite different from them both. It’s unlikely that there will be a large scale cross-over courtesy of SM’s current crop of lightweights. Even JYJ with their almost unimaginable amounts of charisma will have a long, tough job getting over into the mainstream of the US market. Can they do it? Of course they can. They’re JYJ.
They’re the exception to every rule. 🙂
however all the people who bought the tickets are already k-pop fans
This is what confuses and saddens me, that the Hallyu Wave has become the K-pop wave. That the Korean Gov’t chose SME and their all K-pop line up rather than promote a variety of performers, something similar to the Korean Music Festival in LA, tells me that they don’t really take the Hallyu Wave seriously either. It used to mean something more. An event that showcases the complete spectrum of the modern Korean music scene would have produced interest in broader music circles, but a K-pop only concert will likely turn off any serious music fans. (Not that they would be able to get tickets off the K-pop fangirls.) As you say, France has a different taste in music, and nine pretty girls lined up on a stage showing their legs is so 19th century.
I feel like crying when I read your comment you know? Such harsh words toward family members…
Well, I don’t care about how logical this article is… all I see is… this article is a FAN’s article – not a professional journalist, so why do people need to be hard on this one? As someone said above, and also what I see in this article, it’s to encourage JYJ’s fans when we might feel down because of the unfair treatment…
Then, with all your harsh words, the encouragement is gone… now everything left for me is frustration again… what did JYJ do wrong to be treated unfairly like that??? Why???? Yeah, now I’m looking exactly like an “angry girl not having what she wants”… Well, I only want better things for JYJ and I’m angry right now because I cannot get what I want.
I totally agree with this. I don’t want to hear about SM; I don’t want to see articles that come very close to bashing Homin. This shouldn’t be one of those negative fandoms. There’s ups and downs and yes we have to fight for JYJ, but there doesn’t need to be any more hatred. We don’t need to seem like angry fans who just want, want, want while we fight for our boys. There’s so many other, positive ways we can encourage one another.
I want JYJ3 to perform in northern Europe; Sweden, Denmark etc. where the majority of the population are Nordic Blonds. Wouldn’t that be a sight to see? Or maybe Russia or possibly in South America? Jaejoong speaking Spanish…..*love* The Middle East would be interesting too. Africa would be just an awesome dream come true. Antarctica to the penguins and seals! They’ll be the first artists to have animal fans.
Those penguins are holding hands to “Nine” in case you’re wondering.
But seriously…..I want JYJ to release a new album. NOW. I demand it because I’m selfish like that. LOL. I kid and if I feel antsy they must feel it even more so. I trust that they will pick quality over quantity and not rush if it means they’ll release shoddy work.
I really feel that we play into thinking that this is a competition with SM when really it shouldn’t be. JYJ are getting there. The only thing holding them back is the stupid contract dispute with SM/Avex. And besides how can we compare when JYJ are at a disadvantage? I remember reading about when KYHD came out, I like the album so I’d go listen to the songs at some sites, and some fans would go….”KYHD is the #3 world wide single! Beat that JYJ!” Or the recent remarks that KYHD ranked 1st place for the first quarter in sales in Korea. (I think Japan too, I’m not sure.)
Why the comparisons? That is childish you know? When JYJ does well I feel good for them, not so that I can sling it at other artists’ fans’ faces. I want JYJ to do well period. That is the point. That they can succeed outside of SM/Avex, not that they are better than SuJu, SNSD or 2TVXQ. Who cares about them? They are doing their own work and I want SM/Avex to leave JYJ alone so that they can do theirs’ in peace.
I also will not speak about Korean artists as a whole. I used to do that but that isn’t fair. Just because I think SuJu and SNSD suck doesn’t mean that all other artists besides TVXQ/JYJ suck too. It is obvious but sometimes commentators on this site say things like, “I’ve only seen JYJ/TVXQ step out of their comfort zone. They are the only ones that take risks or They sing with such meaning because they write their own lyrics, etc.” There are plenty of other artists with talent and drive too. SM/JYP/YG tend to dominate our peripheral vision but what about artists under other labels to whom we don’t give the time of day? This is a JYJ site but let us not act as if they are the only artists in Korea that matter. (Which I know the majority of you guys don’t do but sometimes I read something and I’m like what?)
You and soupir above almost say the same thing, and am in accordance with it.
“This is a JYJ site but let us not act as if they are the only artists in Korea that matter.”
Uhmm… sorry but for me, JYJ is the ONLY artist in Korean that matter… I dislike the others! What can I do? I don´t think that it´s a bad thing, each person is different…Ok?
No comments about the rest of your comment…
Why should you be sorry? You can like whoever you want. The comment wasn’t about personal tastes.
The point wasn’t that everyone here should like other Korean artists, it is that one shouldn’t hype JYJ as if they are the only ones who have any merit. Have some sensitivity for the fans of other artists who are sympathetic to the plight of JYJ.
I openly talk about my dislike for SNSD/SuJu because of their actions, their hum-drum, repetitive videos and because they are SM idols. They aren’t artists *pfft not in a million years* and most SNSD/SuJu fans dislike/ignore JYJ because SM labels their precious groups. They’ll ignore all of SM’s crap and abuse just so they can listen to that cookie cutter formula music. I also say this because I actually took the time to listen to their music. I’m not impressed. They suck, period.
I don’t talk about all the other Korean artists because I haven’t listened to their music. How can I judge if I don’t know anything about them?
Saying you care only about JYJ is one thing, saying that the rest don’t matter when you haven’t taken the time to listen to any of their work is another.
I HATE it when morons talk smack about JYJ. If however they don’t like
the way JYJ sings I can’t twist their arms to get them to agree. My best friend only cares about MBLAQ (Seung Ho really) but she never says that JYJ doesn’t matter. She respects them especially for all the crap they are going through. Likewise I’m not crazy about MBLAQ but she likes them. What can I do?
Calm down dear!
I don´t understand why so long comment… anyway AGAIN! For me JYJ is the ONLY artist in Korean (in the world) that matter! It´s better, now? ^__^
The rest is irrelevant… I don´t bash them because it´s like they aren´t there! I´ve heard their work… and the same… I don´t like them.
*Hug you* Amy, JYJ is the only Korean artist that I LOVE, too~
Oh, hugs you too! Seriously, only JYJ!
Why the comparisons? That is childish you know? When JYJ does well I feel good for them, not so that I can sling it at other artists’ fans’ faces. I want JYJ to do well period. That is the point. That they can succeed outside of SM/Avex, not that they are better than SuJu, SNSD or 2TVXQ. Who cares about them? They are doing their own work and I want SM/Avex to leave JYJ alone so that they can do theirs’ in peace
You asked why the comparison? Cause as much as you may feel its childish this is life and it’s what humans do we all compare to things , music, ideas, to something one way or the other. But in this cause you say you want JYJ to succeed out side of SM/Avex that is what there doing and we know they could succeed more but how can they When SM/AVEX are blocking there way every time there is a step made in that directions. You said don’t compare but how can you not when the Korean Media act like only SME is making an impact, This fans article is just saying that JYJ are making an impact as well that is all.
Oh yeah. SME singers will perform in Paris. Big words.
But, be honest. ¿Which place is most important to power an artist’s carreer worldwide? Paris or the U.S. And the answer iss…..¡THE U.S. of course! Most of the greatest artists worldwide are americans or moved to america to power their carreers. Adding this to the facts stated in this important article, the only thing that remains is to SUPPORT THE WISDOM, CLEVERNESS, BOLDNESS, GUTTS AND HUGE TALENTS of our dearest JAEJOONG, YOOCHUN AND JUNSU. ¿Who’s being the greatest halliyu representative and ambassador worldwide at this moment? ¡JYJ!
So, please, representatives of the Korean media, stop your biased reports and be serious. Don’t add more shame over your heads. Stop writing crap. Don’t let SME influence you, it is outrageous for us, foreign public opinion, to witness your lack of gutts and honesty. ACT FAIRLY TOWARDS JYJ. THEY’RE THE TRUE SOUTH KOREAN MUSIC AND CULTURE AMBASSADORS WORLDWIDE.
Hmmmmmm…that was an interesting comments section….
IKR? LOL
LOL!!
Join the LOL…
Interesting is a word for it. o.O
It’s tiring to say the least…. -_-|||
not saying that SM isn’t doing well with the Paris concert, but if it was any other company (esp YG), i’m pretty sure it’d achieve the same or possibly better result….
isn’t this like the first idols concert ever in Paris?
now with JYJ’s tour, altho it’s most likely that they won’t sell out all of the seats, for a group who barely do any promotion and basically are free agents atm, they’re doing impressively well. they DEFINITELY deserve the media coverage
I only know JYJ and bought two front rickets for the Vancouver concert. Yay JYJ!! I think that SM and the people behind them are so vindictive and exploiting their talents!! They should compensate their artists with what they deserve .I wish the other artist will follow JYJ and stop this unfair practice .
to all the “omg play fair! comments: With WHO? The putrid shit that is SM? Why the fuck would we do that? SM doesn’t play fair by any stretch of the meaning of the word, so why the hell should we?
I’m tired of the people who talk shit about what is posted here and they think their opinion matters more than anyone else’s.
Guess what? IT DOESN’T.
Don’t like the article? SKIP IT or Just leave.
LOL!!! SM definitely sucks but who is talking about playing fair? Comparing concerts in JYJ3 is pretty much just between us. This article is not going to start a wave of action. It is just an article.
What isn’t fair is the lack of Korean media coverage for JYJ. That is something to play dirty about.
The comments section is interesting to read. I’m surprised SM didn’t get any outside sponsors (either they couldn’t or didn’t want to; either way I’m surprised), has it always been this way? Misleading title is misleading, unless you read all the way till the end. And what does own working song even mean?? O_o;
But as for hallyu influence.. not much to say really. because tbh only those who are already somewhat ‘into’ korean music will take note of these concerts/tours. They’re not going to start any major revolution. =/ So idk. The lack of media coverage on JYJ irks me, but when it comes to media coverage on hallyu… *shrugs*
Misleading title is misleading,
Oh, yes. The complains should have been how the headline didn’t match the article, not how the picture didn’t match the headline. (My two cents – the chart was an appropriate rhetorical device for the article.)
(yes, the table-chart-thing…it’s just plain bad I think. whoever made it was certainly in a rush/very bad mood…for example the third row is redundant; who else are SME gonna promote other than their own artists?! *facepalm*)
There was nothing wrong with the chart. The purpose of the comparison was to say that JYJ’s tour in NA is at least as significant an event than the SME single concert in Paris. I think it says that very well. (re: third line –The fact that JYJ has outside sponsors shows that someone outside of their company has confidence in the success of this tour. It is a significant point to note.)
What was misleading was the headline. This article was not about who is the leader of the Korean wave, but a dig at the media for lauding SME as the leader due to this concert when there is arguably a bigger even going on at the same time that was being pretty much ignored. It’s not about who’s better, it’s about the media giving the public a skewed view of what is actually constituting the Hallyu Wave.
Oops. Retracting my comment re: third line.
I do think the line about the promoters is significant the same way that the line about the sponsors is though — it shows confidence in the tour from outside entities. When everything is one in-house, there are is a lot of ways to cover up problems. When working with different companies — sponsors, promoters, etc — a different level of professionalism has to be maintained. There are people looking over your shoulder because their success depends on your success and vice versa. JYJ is now working is someone who has a significant reputation in the industry, that will do much more to spread a positive view of Korean artists, than SME who is still only working with SME.
@Eliza
That makes more sense because comparison for comparison’s sake is stupid. JYJ is working with AEG/Samsung live. How more professional can they get? I can’t wait until the N. American concert rolls around.
Sorry for not looking through all the comments, theres a lot..
But… those arena are huge in Vancouver and Newark, did JYJ actually sell all of that, or even close(question mark, my keyboard won`t do it)
Vancouver isn’t selling all 19,000 seats, that’s the full arena (for a sports event). They are selling the “concert bowl” which is about 10,000 seats. Most concerts in arenas don’t use all the seats. I think the number of available seats for the tour is closer to 35,000.
That’s pretty much on target. The seating chart for the Prudential Arena in Newark shows the top level grayed out. Since this is JYJ’s first foray into full concert mode, this is understandable.
A little later down the road…things can change. Depending on who the artist is, some of these arenas do try and use every seat they can, then open up for another show.
The entire market for concerts is slowing down a bit. So, if they don’t have 100% full houses, it is not the end of the world. If they do 80-90%, that can be considered a success. Once JYJ have established themselves worldwide in a couple of years, the world will be their oyster.
Hi,
This is concerning the promotion of the concerts here in the US. I haven’t seen or heard anything about them yet. I thought of contacting Rolling Stone Magazine, but I’m not very good with putting the words together to tell them about JYJ. Do you think it’s a good idea to let them know about the upcoming concerts???
Frankly, I don’t think it is too late for promotions. The first concert isn’t until Friday 5/20, then the next one is Sunday 5/22. We don’t live in the immediate concert areas, so there is no telling what kind of promos are being done. Then the next two are each a week apart. Let’s have a little faith. 😉
Ah, with reference to Rolling Stone, don’t forget, magazines ‘go to bed’ about 2 months before their actual publication and distributions, so time wise that probably wouldn’t work. The places to check will be Billboard and MTVK sites, since they did promos for the showcases.
No matter how you look at this article, several points are indisputable. The press in Korea who have a duty to be fair according to journalistic integrity, are reporting in a biased manner for SM and excluding JYJ from the news.
JYJ’s accomplishments as just 3 individuals is really incredible, without a lot of money and influence behind them to support them.
JYJ’s fans are smart at analyzing what is going on and speak the truth. It has the ring of the truth, no falsehoods or twisting the facts to make them look good.
JYJ, their fans and JYJ3 are just plain awesome.
The Newark,NJ venue has a capacity for 19,500 seats but for JYJ’s concert thy scaled it down to 12,000 or 13,000 seats. I called in a couple weeks ago to ask how many are being sold at this one, I’m going to this one so I was checking to see how well sals were going, and this is the number they gave me. Just wanting to help out so people can’t find fault with the argument.
Goodness. Shocker the media is being cowards again. JYJ is mking history and records and they don’t even give them the attention and recognition they deserve.
I’am also going to this one as well and i did the same thing you did. And what you stated is exactly what they said to me too.
I’m going as well. Are you all coming from far away or in the area? I was hoping to try and get folks to meet each other before the concert.
The interesting thing about this lack of coverage is its complete hypocrisy. I am indifferent to Changmin & Yunho. However, with the almost fanatical obsession K Pop has with the American Market, you would think JYJ’s inroads would be worthy of reporting.
They have managed to get their foot in the door, collaborate and build relationships with credible people in the American music industry. Who else in K Pop showed up on American shores w/more media coverage in the past year? (Billboard, MYV). In other words, there is buzz about these guys and word of mouth is a powerful generator of enthusiasm.
I sincerely hope the concerts sell out in N. America, because JYJ will be tested in these larger venues. With Samsung & AEG behind them, I have have no doubt that the world tour will be nothing but successful, for 3 Men out there doing it on their own.
@Lenoxave
Nice! Good post. As a resident of L.A. familiar with the ins and outs of the studios here, I’m STILL kicking myself for not finding out the guys were here working on “The Beginning” until they’d already left. 😦 Oh well, I have a feeling there WILL be a next time. But I keep thinking about the “Idol Machine” they’ve just managed to escape from and what an insidious and poisonous environment it is for young talent. Maybe the whole “word-of-mouth” way to create a buzz might actually tend to legitimize their aspirations as artists for right now. We here in the US are crazy for underground buzz that is not of corporate boiler-room origins. As so much else with JYJ on this crazy, out of control hayride, maybe everything SM is trying to do to them now will only make them more mysterious, exciting and HOT. Stranger things have happened in the music business……
I have to agree with my sister Lilibaiyu. One thing that cannot be disputed, when buzz starts, folks really begin to pay attention. And that attention creates more buzz. It begins to take on a life of its own.
Once the album is officially released in the States, and begins to get air play, the difference will be much more noticeable. I think people tend to forget ‘The Beginning’ hasn’t had a chance to create any legit buzz yet.
Regardless of what some folks may feel about the album, it does have credible U.S. producers on it. That still means something. So far, those Kpop acts that have tried to make a dent, have only been using standard Kpop music. This is not the case with JYJ.
The more they diversify, the better off they will be. Staying true to their Asian culture and embracing English speaking countries is not a bad thing. As Lilibaiyu says…this will make them all the more mysterious. Keeping folks guessing is a good market strategy. Folks are drawn to the unknown.
Actually what is kind of irrelevent here is the number of seats… Since number of seats in Paris is so small compared with the number of fans who wanted to get a ticket ~~ so you can’t consider it as SME only being able to fill a bit more than 6000 seats… Besides SMTown has Live Nation for promoter, it’s not SME-promoted.
And as a reminder, media coverage is more about european ans protesting than the concert in itself.
But it remains true that JYJ’s tour deserve a better coverage than what it gets. I guess whatever they do, media will never be able to show that they’re biased
Ah! But because they only put 6,500 seats up for sale we won’t know how many seats they could have sold. It’s all speculation. We will know JYJ’s selling power because they aren’t going to sell out their concerts. (Sorry, guys, but I really don’t think so.) SMTown wanted a sell out, so they made sure that they played a smaller venue. If they really wanted to see what K-pop could be in Europe or to encourage the Hallyu wave, they would have made sure there was enough space for everybody who wanted to go. We’ll see what happens when (if?) they add another concert date.
And yes, Live Nation is the SMTown promoter in France. That’s one slap on the wrist for DC TVXQ Gallery for not checking their facts enough.
…I honestly don’t get how people don’t understand the point behind this post. It’s obviously showing how a concert of a larger scale is being *completely* ignored by the Korean media in favor of a smaller scale event (in a country that *has* had K-Pop artists perform in the past, no less. Call me when SM Town tours Iraq, and only then will I get the hype.)
This was a pretty clear chart, IMO. Either there a very few people who understand the point or there are a lot of people who don’t understand just how serious this actually is for JYJ. This isn’t a comparison for comparison’s sake.
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Purpleline I agree.
And I love your name!!!! ^_^!
Hmm are the US concerts sold out already? I think there are also other sponsors for SM.
But other than that, JYJ clearly has contributed significantly to the Korean Wave. Credits should still be given to them, no matter what. Korea, please appreciate what you have.
@Mineralwater
“Hmm are the US concerts sold out already? I think there are also other sponsors for SM.”
Oh, my yes–there certainly are. THE KOREAN GOVERNMENT. You may have heard of them. And using tax-payers’ money to promote and enrich a nest of vermin like SM. There should be outrage and out-cry in the streets of Seoul about this latest shocker. WTH!??
I give this article a A+. It’s excellent!! I agree!! JYJ concert is wayyyyyy BETTER than SM. JYJ can sell more tickets than any of those SM groups or artists! SM is no leader. They are the worst people in the korean entertainment that gives out slave contracts and the stupid CEO Lee So Man makes so much money with his stocks but he can’t pay his artists the right amount of money. YG is definitely the better entertainment company becuase artists are willing to stay longer! Look at SM and the amount of people that has left their company because SM can’t treat their artists right. JYJ IS THE BEST !!!
What’s the point of this comparison? To show how terrible the media is? To show how much we hate SM? We already know, that’s why we’ve been fighting for JYJ. This is pretty much unnecessary.
The point is ‘the public’ isn’t aware of that much, since muggles mostly read newspapers, watch TV for news to get info. For the public to get the info that ‘SM idols are the leaders of hanryo based on the concert on Paris’, is just not fair to other K artists, especially JYJ.
We as fans already knew about how unfair JYJ were treated or how successful JYJ was, but the public just took it from whatever info they found…
I think this article will drive JYJ fans to make concerts in NJ, LA, SJ all the more successful. If the media don’t get a coverage on it, then fans may find ways to publicize it.
@coffee craze
Good point. It’s on us. But we can do it! Email a couple of news outlets every day! We will make out presence felt! We can do this.
I know it was to rally fans together, but why do we have to driven by hate for SM? Why can’t it be solely based on the fact that we love JYJ.
It would of been a lot more effective to getting the public on our side had it been an unbiased argument. If the author hadn’t obviously voiced her hate for SM and stuck strictly to facts it would have been more effective. Yes we fans know JYJ is suffering because of SM and the media, but we need those who aren’t necessarily fans to understand that.
Ok…well don’t really care about the chart or comparisons because i know who i think is the best and who i will support no matter what. What i would like to know, however, is if anybody knows how JYJ ticket sales are going for their North American tour. I’m not expecting them to sell out completely (i really wish it would happen though), but i would like to know if they’re doing well or around how much they’ve sold so far.
There’s actually nothing new in SK:
JYJ being block in tv? heard it from day one i become JYJ fans
JJYJ not being covered in SK news? Heard it also from day one i become JYJ fans
JYJ being victimized, being slander ever where, heard it also from day one being JYJ fans
Emm………. what’s new?
I read Hancinema every day and this is the first time they are reporting this. I’m sure not everyone knows they are blacklisted and the more it is said the better for JYJ. I didn’t mean that it was something new, I just wanted to show that more people are becoming aware of it.
I don’t personally think it’s fair making a direct comparison between Paris and areas such as Vancouver, Los Angeles and San Jose, but JYJ should definitely be more recognized for their fan-base and respect overseas.
This article sounds a little butthurt to be honest. I don’t think posting this and starting fanwars is any better than the ignorance of Korean media.
@chaos
So let’s agree to do this: I’ve just emailed Korea.net and Hancinema.net requesting MORE coverage of JYJ related activities. A quick search revealed Han Cinema was already doing a good job, but MORE never hurts, right? Like a presence on their homepage? Korea.net had NOTHING. So I figure if we all make a point of emailing/messaging them,
it will have an impact.
Great Idea on emailing Korea.net. How about The Chosen Ilbo too??
@Ro1499
Yes yes yes yes yes!
@lilibaiyu
I’ll get started tomorrow morning sending out emails to everyone I can think of. It should help.
@Ro1499
You are GREAT! This will help. I’ll do it too.
Anyone else? The power of the people is a sleeping giant.
We can make a difference here.
can we have a format of the email? I mean does the email need to be about one topic about JYJ, or many topics detailing JYJ’s achievements that Korean media has been “overlooking” for sometime now?
and can we have a list of the email addresses of those places we’re going to “terrorize” with JYJ’s impact in the International Fandom?
I feel good about this!
Let’s also email Jimmie, not to disturb her, but just to let her know what we’re doing. And also lets not forget out Family Twitter Project: Get JYJ to the Ellen Show!!! ^____^
seriously, jyj3 just share the news. what the point to say you disappoint because they share it, ot yo dont agree with it? cause even before jyj post this, this chart already everywhere on twitter and in korean fan site =.=
you dont like it, skip, like a lot of commenters here, i know some of fans here are ot5 or just dont want to invovle in SM related things and just focus on the boys (i know because i also see them on soompi and SYC). sometime i wish jyj3 not too famous, when you get too popular, there start to have something not good with it
Agree. 🙂
I agree
@Lilibaiyu
There’s the Korea Herald too.
I want to see the concert in the US, it must be very special because it’s their first concert there. And surely they will have many other promotion activities.
You are so lucky, US fans
THE LAST TWO SENTENCES SAY IT ALL. lets hope they will change their way of thinking and give them the credit and recognition they have earned and deserve!
LOL.
I don’t know where you had this informations but one of them is wrong. There were many famous artists that performed in “Le Zénith de Paris”… Not just the SM…
This comparison worth a big LOL from me. Sorry.
Comparing JYJ with the rest of SME Town is a tad bit cruel imo LOL
and people that get mad and feel uncomfortable with this comparison is insecure.
When your are here in JYJ3 you should not feel insecure. JYJ3 is a place for confidence and brave people.
yowsa! I actually read the entire comments section – so many things I could comment on, compliment or offer rebuttal….but I’ll just go with this:
We all know JYJ is getting disproprtionate media coverage – and will continue to to have to fight like hell to keep from being swept under the rug by forces of bitter greed – those who would continue to try to pass-off mediocrity as a *cultural wave*…but this too shall wash away- because SM is not the only company producing idols, in Korea or elsewhere. It’s a sad fact that their contracted artists(?) will be the ones paying for this corporate gamble…and isn’t that EXACTLY what our much-loved JYJ seek to escape.
For me…it’s not about them, JYJ, possessing THE NAME –HallyuWave leaders– it’s about them getting PAID (and getting laid) ..that last part I just tossed in because they deserve that. 😉
Sgt. Sally of JYJ’s army sez “Lock and Load…bring it ON~ ! BOO-RAH!”
LOL! Lock & Load – Paid & Laid. Damn good slogan Sgt. Sally.
I’m gonna have to agree big time with this one!
Lock & Load, Paid & Laid! That says it all! ROFL 🙂
JYJ pwned SM.