We wrote about the results of the Quarterly Reports that SM recently released here.
Now, there are some news articles. Here is a collection of articles published on the vast gap between the first quarter of last year and the first quarter of this year that SM suffered:
SM, First Quarter Operating Profits 2,400,000,000 KRW (approximately 2,400,000 USD)… Compared to Last Year, Down 76%
SM Entertainment made an official announcement on the 16th that the First Quarter’s operating profits is 2,400,000,0004 KRW (approximately 2,400,000 USD) decreased by 76% compared to the First Quarter of last year.
Sales were 19,300,000,000 KRW (approximately 19,300,000 USD) and so decreased by 14% compared to the same quarter of last year, and the net profits were 1,000,000,000 KRW (approximately 1,000,000 USD) and so decreased by 87%.
Entertainment Leading Stock SM, Falls by 10% in One Day
Effects of the Operating Profits of First Quarter being down by 76%
“Entertainment Leading Stock” SM Entertainment had a plunge due to the aftermaths of the first quarter’s poor results.
On the KOSDAQ market on the 17th, SM finished at 18,850 KRW (approx. 18.85 USD), 2,300 KRW less than prior day (10.87%). The volume of trading was over 3 times of the prior date at 1,420,000 shares, and the “sell” quantities were poured into the market. Upon the announcement of the quarterly results, it was revealed that they had hugely soured, the operating profits of the first quarter stopping at 2,400,000,0004 KRW (approximately 2,400,000 USD) which was a sudden decrease of 76% from last year and the sales being at 19,400,000,000 KRW (approximately 19,400,000 USD) which was a 15% decrease.
In particular, the royalty sales had a sharp drop from 14,600,000,000 KRW to 5,6000,000,000 KRW (approximately 14,600,000 USD and 5,600,000 USD respectively)… (rest omitted)
SM, The Empty Spot Left by TVXQ is Huge… Results Drop
The public entertainment management enterprise SM’s stock prices are showing a sudden fall of 6-8%.
There is an interpretation that the reason that the operating results compared to that of last year has sharply fallen is because the activities of “TVXQ” which acted as the cash cow has sharply fallen, and so is gathering attention.
(…)
This analyst said in particular: “SM’s operating profits from the first quarter of last year was about 10,000,000,000 KRW (approximately 10,000,000 USD). Within it, about 8,000,000,000 KRW (approximately 8,000,000 USD) was operating profits earned through the former TVXQ. As much as this, sales from Japan contributes hugely to operating profit….”
(rest omitted)
Source: Money Today; Korea Economy; Korea Economy Dot Com
Translation Credit: JYJ3
TVXQ5 is the money-making machine of SM.
sadly thou…
TVXQ5 “was” the money making machine in SM but sadly not anymore cause JYJ left SM =D
Does this mean SME lied in court? When they said that TVXq barely brought in any profits?
Cause if so…it ain’t good to lie about money matter when this shit comes out every quarter.
Well duh, i find it very hard to believe whatever sm said
so can it be the proof of SM giving false confession and evidence in court?
Well i don know korea laws but If u read the last court date translated u can tell that even the judges are very skeptical of the informatiom sm lawyers provide
I really want to know how a Korean court react to this. Hmmmm
well, if u remember, that on 2009, AVEX stated that DBSK/THSK are their 2nd artist who earn the biggest after Ayuni Hamasaki. so just by those fact, do u think its trustable of SME to say that DBSK/THSK barely giving much profit? that they even didnt profitted 1% of all SME overseas profit?
oh, this is @ emily
Hohohohohohohohoho im sorry Sm u’re suck.
so agreed!!!! SM this server you right!!! hahaha
oooo..Admins you sooo right!..SM dont need thank to some one……again!!LOL…now everyone know who are BIG LIARS…….!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IN THE NEWS ..lol!!!!!!!!!
Ha!! *laughs in SM’s face*
So there.
Bet they’re gonna blame it on the new debuting acts in Japan, like Shinee and SNSD. But my question is, if they’re so successful there (as they’re claiming to be), where’s the results huh? Huh?
Hahaha!!! Karma!!!
incoming evil laughter
… aaaaand cue!!
So who was active in the first quarter of 2011? 2tvxq, snsd heading to japan…. aaaaaand….. fx?
I guess that’s why they’re targeting Japan now. Their main acts are releasing singles and albums.
and suju , shinee hhhhh all SM artist in japan now 55555
SM ur big loser now
if all in Japan who covers the fans in So.Korea. The SME worshipper are getting their spit back to their face. If I were them, i will feel cheated. Clearly their “innocent” company is not a greedy and chasing money….yeah right
It makes sense for them to focus on Japan. If the current contracts are similar to the old ones, the artists get virtually no money for previously released songs (Bonamana, for example) – it all goes to SM. Some costs to travel to Japan, but ramen is cheap… That’s your basic definition of a “cash cow”. Since 2hoshinki can’t generate 2010 level profits unless they sing the old songs, SM has to find new cows…
PUAHAHAHAHA~
*oppss* Sorry~ XD
^_______^
“The Empty Spot Left by TVXQ”
tvxq left? I think tvxq is still staying with them right?
*sarcasm*
LOL 😀
@Lauw
““The Empty Spot Left by TVXQ” tvxq left? I think tvxq is still staying with them right?”
OOOoooOOPS! Well, yes, that was a bit of an “open mouth, insert foot” wasn’t it? What ABOUT the current pretenders to the throne, the all new and vastly diminished 2VXQ?? Isn’t that just the tiniest bit insulting to them, to have this be SME’s official statement when they have been swanning around for months now, dodging and weaving, employing every imaginable type of smoke and mirrors, pretending to be TVXQ?
GIVE IT UP, YunHo and Changmin, that’s what I say. You are SO not TVXQ. You know it, we know it and it must keep you awake nights agonizing about how you sold out your brothers for an uninterrupted paycheck. The SM ship is sinking, sure as shit. Get out now, like the fur bearing rodents you are.
@Lilibaiyu, You’re talking true words. ¡Absolute DITTO!
@Lilibaiyu
While I’m thrilled that SM is beginning to get its just desserts (schadenfreude to the max!!!!) I think we should avoid bringing irrelevant people (i.e. Homin) into the comment section when possible. Why give antis/fake OT5s more fuel for their hate?
HEy @dinosaur – I understand where you’re coming from, but the haters create their own fuel & burn it…in addition THEY feel free to say anything they wish about JYJ & their fans – I find it improper that we should feel stifled and stay silent. The haters don’t rule my world nor am I going to shrink away in fear that I might “upset” them. But yes – I “get” your attempt to be a peacemaker. 🙂
@dinosaur:
i understand your position! But! I think we should let people speak their mind! The other party is clearly bashing JYJ! And we or I cant stand anymore holding my peace, letting them bash JYJ like that! So, we have the right to say something those TWO!!!
@dinosaur
“I think we should avoid bringing irrelevant people (i.e. Homin) into the comment section when possible. ”
lol Yes, you’re so right. YH&CM are TOTALLY irrelevant to any discussion regarding the now disbanded group TVXQ.
“like the fur bearing rodents you are” – honestly was that necessary? it was funny but stiilll…
@Hi
Washing my mouth out with soap….**now.** Sorry.
🙂
@Lilibaiyu, Be careful with your teeth, dear Lilibaiyu. Soap tastes ¡yuck! ¡LOL! ¡LOL!
🙂 🙂 🙂
and I read comments somewhere that JYJFans are butthurt, that we cannot accept the fact that the new tvxq has been able to maintain the popularity even without our biases, that the new tvxq doesn’t need the three who left in order to top the chart (remember the oricon chart, that they even surplus the sale of the Tohoshinki5 thru the release of that khyd single), to win the crowns at the music programs, that 2vxq had the highest album sales (200k something) even more than bigbang’s comeback, this was a headline news last month … are we really that butthurt JYJfans ?… how I wish I could meet those commenters personally and hug them tightly and let them read read this report …
“The louder the bark, the weaker the bite.”
No. Not butthurt at all (random: ugh I hate the word butthurt. Who even coined it? lol). Why? Because the JYJ fanbase is better company than the 2VXQ fanbase.
2VXQ had a chance to try and keep their popularity using the TVXQ name directly. SM did hardball marketing. And all results on music shows are fixed – this was very evident given the mishaps in late 2010 – so all the ‘awards’, which are given on a frequent basis that even their grandmothers can have one, are pretty much moot and pointless. The saddest part is that the music shows are really looked as to be nothing more than mere stepping stones for idols to appear in variety shows by the PDs in the entertainment industry. I’m inclined to believe that Idol music isn’t respected much if at all in Korea – and I don’t blame them. The stuff can be generic and boring if the same concept/music is broadcasted several times on several different ‘music award shows’ on a weekly basis. It’s called overexposure. Snorefest!
Not to mention, Korean entertainment is notorious for buybacks of their own CDs and mass buying by crazy fans. CD numbers do not reflect the overall popularity of the group in the public eye. And not only THAT but Korea doesn’t have an accurate, legitimate tabulation of all sales anyway – nothing of a Billboard or Oricon scale. Therefore, any sort of CD sale tabulation…I look and then shrug, good for you. Move along.
the funniest part is the fact they denied how big BB comebacks and success. Seriously 2011 is all about BB.
2011 is all about BB….true that…and 2NE1. YG is kicking the sales – and I’ve added to the numbers myself. Actually I don’t support the faux *family* image of YG anymore than I do SM’s….however, I get the distinct feeling that’s YG’s stable of artists are genuinely smiling when they appear in public – the SM crew generally look like their faces are gonna crack.
You know, if the DB2K fans like their music better, that’s their prerogative. They can like whoever they want. And so can we. SM is a different story. As someone said recently, you’re entitled to your own beliefs, but not you own “truth”.
as an ex-tvxq act1’s fan,
I saw the tvxq act2 performances, and I wouldn’t say they are bad, they are good, but can’t say they are the best, with 7 years experiences they should become best of the best.
now their position is like a new comer, they are not strong enough as 2, I think they will weaker as solo too.
I think, people will always remember tvxq as 5 not 2.
anything SM does to change that fact will not going to work.
@elle
My opinion is that it is utterly ridiculous for The Two to keep performing as “TVXQ.” It’s wrong, deceptive and their continuation in doing it is a big slam to their former bandmates in JYJ. If they had the remotest belief in their own abilities they would create something new as JYJ have done. I know, I know, SM is pulling every puppet string here, YH&CM are helpless victims–well, that rationale is getting more dog-eared and shopworn by the day.
lol… so does that mean the one staying behind is not TVXQ? Ouch!
XDD. best comment of the day. ❤
“SM, The Empty Spot Left by TVXQ is Huge”
Someone woke up this morning and made this statement! Good morning!!!
‘lol… so does that mean the one staying behind is not TVXQ? Ouch!’
It’s funny: we all knew that, long loooong time ago.
@9mmleftshinki
“does that mean the one staying behind is not TVXQ? Ouch!”
That was sort of the point I was trying to make above, but I guess my use of the phrase “fur bearing rodents” obscured my meaning because it wasn’t nice, so I’ve decided to change it to “fur-wearing robots.”
No, no wait… the PETA people will be all over me in a heartbeat….. help!
hahhahha hahahh i like really like you not only u got brain but you are also funny!^^
Eh…”empty spot left by TVXQ”?? then who were the Kings just returned this Jan? Sign..
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I like ur comment ..
same here
They were impostors =D
LOL..
Its HoMin.
Ehmmmm. I know, I know!!!!
Double, perhaps? It seems like in the tale ‘The Prince and the Pauper ‘…
i thought this site is for JYJ only.. you should change it with JYJ3 and SM stuff.wordpress.com. hehe
awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww….. are you hurt that we discuss this in our JYJ3 world. Well SME is our ENEMY… nothing wrong at discussing the downfall of an ENEMY. An enemy is part of our life and as much as I hate to admit, SME is part of our life until they defeated. Well even if they will be defeated we will keep talking bout it since that is part of our GLORY.
Its INSPIRING and PARTY worthy. Is that wrong?? Well good for us bad for you then.
@9mmleftshinki
“Its INSPIRING and PARTY worthy. Is that wrong?? Well good for us bad for you then.”
PRICELESS! 🙂 🙂
it is part of why SM is so butthurt when it comes to JYJ
It relates to JYJ.
We’re talking about it in JYJ3
So what’s your issues sweetie?
We aren’t interested one bit in SM unless they kinda have something to do with our boys, you know…
We’re not SM and their ‘families’ who are always on the tails of JYJ and we are also not those antis/other fans who always hang around other people’s site coz their own is not as happening.. oops… not talking about you of coz <_<… 😛
@ekam_eveileb
BTW, are you SME’s spy ? Spying on their enemies ?? Just like they always do to their idols ? or their GIGANTIC RIVALS JYJ ?? Who SME is so freaking afraid of !!!! Shooo !!!!shoooo!!! go to HELL !!!
she’s from allkpop. I fought she was dbsk(5) fan
LOL thought
@Natalya16
But if you read her name backwards it’s ‘make believe’, so I don’t think she’s even a good dbsk(5). Just sayin’. 🙂
LOL!! as much as i want to comment about what you said.. All i can say is you are what your DP looks like.. A CRAB
and you look like JJ / im flirting with you hehe
@9mmleftshinki, naughty girl, naughty girl.
¡HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Feeling the effects of the boycott, no?
no need for frying pans..LOL
That’s the sweetest revenge so far without JYJ doing such “stupid” things like SM and AVEX does…
First article I’ve read today..
ahhhhhh It’s a GOOD MORNING to me..(^___^)
Hello mga kapwa ko Pinay here!!!! =)
Magandang umaga!!! Pinay ka rin???? Nice to meet you! ^ ^
Another random pinay here 🙂 Hello! *waves*
x) count me in 😀 hehe im pinay too 🙂
well since im staying here in philippines 😀
wanna be friends ^^
lol!! i am too and i enjoyed this article much much!!
ABA~!!! BIglang naglitawan mga to ah… ^___^
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in your face, SM…. Especially after spewing nonsense about how they were earning most of their $ through their other acts; oreallinao~? ;D
PS. speaking of which I haven’t heard anything of their lawsuit atm…wonder what’s going on…
Ya.. I’m wondering about that too. Seems like there’s no updates on it since ….. Dunno when….
I really hope to see and end to that.
Even though the situation may or may not change, I just want this thing off our boys’ minds.
They’ve got better things to do… 😀
Im clapping like monkey!
Hahaha !!! Me too !!! I got red palms already …
@Shadow, I’m clapping, baby, I’m clapping with all my strenght.
Erosion has started………….
And boy are we all waiting to see the results…..
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Thanks for the song …
I was pissed last year SM had the nerve to lie that TVXQ5 contributed nothing and the massive profits they gained wasn’t due to them. It was an insult to TVXQ5 and the fans. The least SM could have damn was not discredit them.
Glad this came out and proved to the world the BS coming from their mouths. If Avex profits fell massively ,how the hell did SM have the nerve to claim nothing would happen to them.
Sorry for the rant but I was bitter when SM released those damn statements. Seems the 2nd biggest shareholder was clever to jump ship before stocks fell.
O.O and…i thought the “nation’s best girl group” was ….like really successful in Japan in the 1st quarter of the year O.O and 2tvxq, then SS3 if i’m not wrong….huhmmm where has all of your money gone SM ? O.O
some into buying back albums perhaps?
the nation best girl group ISNT the one who is a big sucess , i know every one know that ” the girls next door ” r leading in japan ^^,
i think most of the money is contribute to JYJ law suit…gezzzz
Well SNSD did good in Japan but not that good as eveyone think….their DVD which made it to the news “as setting the record for Korean girl bands” for out selling the pre-orders sold at the end only 23.000 which is not such great number if we consider Jap girl bands sellings or if we include males or if we look at charts of DVDs that are not defined as “mixed DVD”.Their Japanese debut single “Genie” no matter pre-orders were +80K sold only 45K.”Hoot” repackaged for Jap sold 21K.
Kara releases in 2010 in Japan sold +490K.In 2011 Girl’s Talk received a platinum certification from RIAJ for selling 300K; Mister was certified Triple Platinum by RIAJ by selling 750K in ringtones;they also sold more than 150K for their DVD “Best Clips” and are the only females that achivied to top Weekly DVD Composite Ranking next to The Beatles,Led Zeppelin,TVXQ,JYJ and Michael Jackson;”Jet Coaster Love” realeased in April sold 123K on the first week and it’s still selling.
SNSD may be “nation’s best girl group” in Korea but the ones who own Japan are Kara.SNSD foreign achievements are more smoke than real facts,they are in no way bringing as much money(not even half)as TVXQact1 used to.
We think SM is Big but we tend to forget who made it so,SM past artists were good and famous in Korea and in Asia but none of them were that powerful in bringing huge cash to SM as TVXQact1.TVXQ was made by SM but it’s TVXQ and their fans who made SM a huge company as it is today.Not only they brought huge cash to SM but because of the unfair conditions of their contract all of the profits went to SM which used that money,more than to cover the expences that they sustained to promote them,to develop,train and promote new bands.
Without having access to TVXQact1 profits and with the boycott,now SM has to manage to keep promoting their bands,train new ones,manage their restaurants/karaokes/malls/film producing agency(SM often partecipate to produce shows/movies/dramas in which their artists are in—->reason why broadcasters do not want to piss of SM by hosting JYJ,not only SM provide them with their idols but also partecipate in producing),pay their employees and give their shareholders their profit and bonus,without having all the free liquid assets that TVXQ used to bring them….i dare say they are in DEEP shit.
Yes,SNSD/Shinee/F(X)/SuJu are great idols who usually sell a lot in Korea,but it’s Idols music bizz you have always to consider the fact that agencies do buy their artists albums to get them charts and promotions making the profit they really make from those products lower than one would think.The fact that the above mentioned idols hold really successful tours doesn’t mean that they bring as much money TVXQ used to,as one can illegally download a DVD or CD and still go the concerts.
The fact that SM is spending hella lot of money and doing HUGE promotions for their artists it’s not an indicator of them “doing good” but quite the contrary.They are in deep need of liquid assets so they are trying to appeal to new fans,fans who abbandoned them and new shareholders by providing the immage of a “healthy”(money wise) company.It’s basic business managment: when you need money,you need to spend more money to appeal the consumers.
I’am really happy about how things are turning for SM,bitch needs to learn not to mess with JYJ and Cassiopeia =P
However i feel for SM idols that will now have to work as much as hard(if it’s even humanly possible)and SM average employees as both will now probably get paid less than before.Another inidicator that SM=EVIL is the fact that few months before closing the semester they gave their major shareholders and CEOs bonuses,they couldn’t not possibly know that they are going to close that low still they preferred to favour their higher ups than closing good.
Probably SM now will release a statment to tranquilize the market saying that they are doing good and there is nothing to fear as the money has beeen spent for preparing for Japan and abroad, still they will probably forget to mention that if Japan market doesn’t react good to their “products”,cause of the economy post-earthquake,and if they don’t manage to get liquid assets fast thanks to new fans and shareholders,they are going to be officially on the edge of bankruptcy.
I hope the above mentioned idols fans will not now start buying in masses in hope that their idols would not suffer this crisis cause they would be doing the wrong thing,as that money as before will go mostly to SM major shareholders and CEOs pockets.If they want their artists to have a fair and better treatment SM needs to go down.As they have proven in the last 2 years SM prefers to be hated and lose fans than to give their Idols their fair share and change their attitude.Such egoistic behaviour needs to be reformed and only us as fans and consumers can do so, an Idol can sue as many times as they want but it’s only when fans are backing them up that they have a chance to win.
SM is made by OUR money,if we ALL really want our favourites idols to be paid as much as they deserve and don’t overwork them selves,then all we need to do is stop buying SM products.
Peole need to look at the big picture of things.
At first idols will suffer but SM can’t do anyhting with Idols who don’t bring money,either they will change their attitude and listen to fans requests for a fair traitement either they will be forced to release them and then those idols can go work for others.
Sorry i wrote an essay!0_O
Ooops i shared the vid without eng subs….the main point of the song is that he wants to get her heart back so he keep saying a bunch of “romantic” stuff and her answer is “Words,words,words,nothing more than words”
I like your comments….Money is the main issue ….Don’t buy their products (SME & AVEX) – couldn’t agreed more…
-_-‘so many typos…sorry again!
No this is great! I’m glad that you see the big picture. I didn;t know how badly SNSD is doing compared to KARA in Japan.
So there is someone who knows Mina, the greatest italian singer!
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@sarahdot
APPLAUSE and THANK YOU. Especially for the analysis on the profit take of SNSD. You are so spot on. SME lies so much and people believe their lies, it’s forgotten or buried just how bad things can be.
Others keep touting SME’s govt. connections, but if NO ONE buys their products, all the connections in the world won’t help them. FANS hold the ultimate power. It’s too bad most don’t realize this. Without YOUR money, SME would be dirt!
If you want your favorite idols/artists to be on the profit receiving end, then stand up for them! One thing is for sure, SME is going to work those they think they can work, and bleed them until they can’t bleed anymore.
Are JYJ working hard? Yes, you bet they are. Are they tired when they work hard? You’re damn right they are. Here’s the difference though. They are working hard for themselves! And when the day is done, after the bills are paid, the REST is THEIRS! The smiles on their faces, even when they are tired, are happy tired smiles. These are not smiles on faces that look unhappy in unguarded moments.
The fans who support them, are putting money into JYJ’s pockets, not some big corporate rapist. So, JYJ fans can have a clear conscience that the talent they support are receiving their just do.
The JYJ victories are coming in all kinds of sizes, big, medium, and small. It’s all good. The victories are coming because of the fans. Fans have shown JYJ their faith, and in return, JYJ has shown the fans how much they care about them. This has become a mutual admiration society.
So, if the other fandoms are not careful, those they care about may not have things turn out so wonderfully. SME is going to go to the well, one too many times. At some point, that well will run dry. The signs are beginning to show. They can put on as much happy face as they want to. But again, when the next quarter report statement comes out, if it isn’t a whole lot better than this one, WHOA BABY!
So, please heed my JYJ sister’s plea. Think first before you continue to blindly give your money to the fat cats in SME. And as another sidenote: keep in mind SME blew off that sexual harassment act of that fat cat on Jessica. Does it get any lower than that?!
@butterfliesarefree
“The fans who support them, are putting money into JYJ’s pockets, not some big corporate rapist. So, JYJ fans can have a clear conscience that the talent they support are receiving their just do.”
Full marks, maximum points as per usual for all of your cogent points above.
The statement that moved me to comment, above, is one that I hold especially close. As a person with a lifetime spent toiling in the music business in the U.S., I am especially sensitive to the idea of contributing my real money to the artists that I hold dear. This is something I always have tried to do. This is what I have done with DBSK and also JYJ. The idea that any of that money went to line the pockets of SM makes me kind of sick to my stomach. I really hope that, as understanding and enthusiasm for JYJ continues to grow, one thing that will be a constant is that we all buy legal products whenever possible, of their work.
Lilibaiyu, I agree completely about buying legit whenver and wherever possible. Yes, I download when stuff comes out on YT, but I also buy their hard work. I don’t have everything yet, but I’ll get as many as I can. I’m still going to buy another copy of TB when the U.S. version comes out. I’ve already purchased a couple of items and passed them along to be used as a raffle gift for a group I belong to. One way of spreading the word and the music.
My dream is to see them have their own company one day. The only way that can happen is if they amass a fortune big enough to accomplish that. THIS is something the fans can help them achieve. Then what’s left of the music industry in So. Korea can eat dust!
Gee, I hope my lottery tickets pay off tomorrow! :-0
@butterfliesarefree
“My dream is to see them have their own company one day. The only way that can happen is if they amass a fortune big enough to accomplish that. THIS is something the fans can help them achieve. Then what’s left of the music industry in So. Korea can eat dust!”
Mine too. I want to see them as the Seniors who will drag the rest of the Korean music community kicking and screaming into the year 2000 and beyond. lol What a quantum leap that would be, given the current state of things. These young men are each one in a million, I think that’s beyond dispute. They seem to have the ability to mobilize a vast and vocal fanbase like no one else in recent memory. They also seem to want to be a force for change and for higher purpose, which I challenge 99% of the best selling artists in the U.S to be. It’s not all about posturing and bling with JYJ. That’s partly why they have captured the hearts and imaginations of their fans, who will now do anything for them.
@Lilibaiyu
Don’t forget to buy Tim’s album too….He is a good singer..
@Della Tanri
“Don’t forget to buy Tim’s album too….He is a good singer..”
I would, in a SECOND, if I could find one to buy! (I’m in the U.S.) I did buy a few tracks from his latest album on iTunes, but other than that, I haven’t seen any of them for sale anywhere. It’s so frustrating! All this great music that is not available to me.
well said
Lady Karma in action!
I’m LOVIN Lady Karma right now ^________^
Once this is all finished, I personally think Lady Karma should be lifted up to Empress Karma!
Ya… Empress Karma looking after our JYJ-sama! lol^^
“SM, The Empty Spot Left by TVXQ is Huge… Results Drop”
8 million of the 10 million of the profits were from 5TVXQ. Knew it. First quarter of 2010 versus first quarter of 2011 really shows the money making power of 5TVXQ versus 2TVXQ. I also like how the public acknowledges TVXQ as five members and that they ‘left’ when technically, someone is still using the name…
Seems like your marketing is backfiring at all cylinders, SM.
Also I think they should begin looking up the word “perjury” just in case they haven’t heard of it
SWEET! 😉
@Jan
I think I’ll start referring to SM as SPM from now on because Perjury is their middle name.
Should i raise my hope now? I think SM’s power to oppress is from its money..now if they continue slipping down like this,we may be able to see JYJ on TV by the end of this year,rite? Or i’m too opsimistic?
Hi @Ngoc ha, well perhaps slightly optimistic – SM has government connections/support as would any company of that size. I’ve no doubt a lot of these guys are ‘drinking buddies’….but YES, having emptied pockets does make them less attractive. (yay)
Oh…in your pretty faces those so-called ot5 laughing at the previous articles saying JYJ fans were delusional…
This is from an analyst in Korea tho hoho.
LSM and the 2nd biggest shareholders sold off their stocks before…Nice saving a$$es…
@coffee craze
“Nice saving a$$es…”
You got that right…..
so sorry with you SM
U feel regret to u’r practice?
why u don’t think all about first you do it..
SM stock fall 10% no way everything go as plan no blocking with full promotion around the world concert,all chats ranking,all the mini/remodel cd sales so well,concert ticket sold out,drama,advertisement,musical,theme park,casino love boat,k wave movement around the world u say it LSM get it done how can SM stock falling no way??? TVXQ still with SM or what LOL
There’s no TVXQ without JYJ. They are HoMin, not the real TVXQ.
@cassie261
“There’s no TVXQ without JYJ. They are HoMin, not the real TVXQ.”
Exactly RIGHT! They’re not TVXQ, they haven’t a hope in hell of ever BEING TVXQ. And they certainly don’t have the earning power of the old group. Fans of The Five are not stupid people. They know where the talent went when the group broke up.
Sighh…all they want is money money money money. SM now wants to take both SHinee and SNSD into Japan market around same time just to do so.
All they’re doing is remakes for Suju and SHINee (Bonamama and Replay, respectively) – probably for quick cash in on the ‘Hallyu wave’.
SNSD is doing a Japanese album (to tackle a girl group niche established by AKB48, made possible for K-girl groups to do so by KARA).
2VXQ is rumoured to be ‘starting up again’ in Japan too.
Oh yes, I’m being snide right now and frankly, I don’t really care if that offends because SM’s already doing all the work by shooting themselves in the foot and I’m going to enjoy it.
Agreed! SNSD may be coming at full force but there’s no stopping KARA once they head over to Japan again. I can’t really see Suju being very big, maybe they’ll get a point on the oricon, but the sales probably won’t be as good. and Avex doesn’t even have faith in 2tvxq. threatened by the likes of Jaejoong and jyj, haha, omg I have never witness a company not believing in the capabilities of their own artist.
“SM…KEEP YOUR HEAD DOWN…….”
🙂
Is it too early to celebrate now? or should we wait a little bit more and and see the sinking ship sink 7 feet underground? Hu LA LALALALa…..la..aaaaaaaaaaa
Ahh I’m seeing the beginning of the end for SM ^_^
SM could be blubbering….”IF ONLY”.. can’t hide the truth forever!
IF ONLY they KEEP their HEADS DOWN and hear the sentiments of JYJ instead of utter disregard of their feelings
could be some companies who joined SM in that united mgt group are shaking their heads now?
precious time should be spent raising more profits than spending time blocking JYJ activities or the current financial state may result to them pushing harder to stop JYJ from earning more. BIg Bang, 2ne1, Kara taking some off their profits they should also note that rather than concentrating on stopping the rise of JYJ!
The party continue? The eruption of laughter still going on LOLs
Okay I’ma play the music … Keep Toy Stock Down and SME Empty Re-remixes Lols..
And owh SME I wanna say “SORRY,SORRY this is definitely not the GENIE OF YOUR WISH. It may be your LUCIFER killing you with the GEE GEE feeling. Hope this will EAT YOU UP and this will REPLAY itself over and over again. Just KEEP YOUR HEAD DOWN nee SME.”
i like your comment….im laughing so hard now.hahahahahaha
¡Keep your head down SME!
LooooL…
and SME will answer with : I DON’T KNOW what happen.
LOL! Good one!
That song signifies the downward spiral of 2TVXQ. It sounds too…generic.
Just because this is Big Bang’s year can I say few words to SME?
naega michyeo gayo naega michyeo gayo
amotgotdo mola haneun jo pyojong chom bwayo
ijen jichyo gayo ijen jichyo gayo
uri guman manayo nan mogul gol algo isseo….
naega michyeo gayo ijen jichyo gayo
LIAR LIAR STUPID LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR!!!!
(Hey, I’m going crazy, I’m going crazy
Look at you acting like you don’t know anything
But now I’m getting tired of it, I’m getting tired
Let’s stop meeting now, because I know what’s going on…
I’m going crazy, I’m getting tired
Liar liar stupid liar liar liar liar)
I know wishing bad things on other people is not the Jedi way… but I have to grin a little…. ok, now back to being a Jedi. ^^
..even master Yoda would grin,so it’s ok..lol..
Ok, I guess we can expect to see new announcements about other exciting business ventures coming down the pike. 🙂
Looks to me as if SME has a whole lot of explaining to do to make this all go away. I don’t think there is a soul alive who believes they can’t produce their financial records in court. THEY JUST WON’T!
But that’s okay. Why? Because whether they do or don’t, will not change the fact that this company is filled with a bunch of pathological liars. Not good ones, but consistent ones.
SME when that ‘forced’ arbitration is completed, just hand over the money and quit whining. Then those so called ‘professional’ broadcasters and others who have been using this lawsuit as the reason for keeping JYJ from the general public, will lose their lame excuses.
Man up you S.O.B.s, your own greed and stupidity brought this situation to this point. Your arrogance is going to be your undoing and you will have no one to blame but yourselves. I really wish someone will tell me, how in the hell everyone believes you are omnipotent and can walk on water! Looks to me like you’re sinking faster than the Titanic.
@ButterfliesAreFree
” I really wish someone will tell me, how in the hell everyone believes you are omnipotent and can walk on water! Looks to me like you’re sinking faster than the Titanic.”
LOLOL! Oh, yes. Ditto, ditto, ditto!!
Some enterprising troll on the previous post tried to claim the information on there was ‘fake’. I let them know they could come here and check out the new information from ‘other’ sources. You can smell the desperation.
I’ve seen pond scum that’s more refreshing than these dwebs.
Hahaha… What you do is what you get.. KARMA
Who is the 2nd largest shareholder of SME, anyway?
And also, when will be the next hearing for the lawsuit?
This was pulled from the latest update on Wikipedia…
Lee Soo Man (27%,2010.06)
Neowiz Internet (7.83%,2010.06)
파트너스엠앤에이투자조합(7.35%,2010.06)
I don’t have a clue who or what the Korean characters represent.
Yeah, that is why Mr…. sold last year a big portion of his share in SM,
although he was once chairman of SM.
But.. is’nt it “insider” trade ?????
TVXQ = SME CASH COWS As we already know. ¡OUTRAGEOUS!
¡TRICKERS AND LIARS! And now we must add ¡LOOSERS!
SME’s bussiness is falling down,
falling down,
falling down:
SME’s bussiness is falling down,
What a fair ending
¡BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
@Shuheilove
hahah..seriously i sang the song while reading your comment…
me too!!
LOL…. Me again can’t stop laughing …
lol^^
We’re all awesome lyrics writers babe!!!
As I’ve written at least two times before, JYJ boys kept the intelligent and clever fans for them.
The others got the foolish ones.
Like idols like fans 🙂
Im a bit nice today so I will sing this to SME
In our high honour
all over our face that grins splattered
and everything happened this part mattered
We tattoed our joy on our tongue
then our heart feel better
but for your downfall i give you an Ayyy, SM!
So tonight be the VIP guests of JYJ, JYJ3 and its readers, YES!
(Skipping the rap part lols)
Let’s do it, Flashing light
Have the time of your life
Living it up for tonight
yeah we living it up for tonight
Ayyy SM, we hope you face failure
ayy SM, never though it come this sooner
just run from me
coz we’re happy to see your misery
Ayy SME, Karma is our beloved baby
ayy SME, Karma will make you go crazy
You losing your cool
You proved me you’re a fool
ayyyyyy, ayy, ayy SME~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
*Wearing kitchen apron, doing the godly party dance*
Ayyy SME by JYJ feat 9mmWest Lols
Girl…I’m so glad you’re finished with your exams cause I’m enjoying you letting your creative juices flow. When I saw the words “In our high honour” I started laughing already……
Redemption time!…very good article
i’m clapping too..where can i buy the single, dearie?? lol
I cant release the single, no one want to distribute my CD. KFC sent letters to block my CD *sounds familiar~~~~~~~~*
Your side career as a songwriter should begin blossoming anytime now. 🙂
Jyj had inspired me lols
@9mmleftshinki, ¡LOL! ¡LOL! ¡LOL!
¡LIVE IT UP; BABE! ¡YOU ROCK!
lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ROFL!!!
LOL…seems today is karaoke day…i’ve been singing the new versions of all different genre songs..love it guys..*ayy sme, karma will make you go crazy..lalalala*
@LeftShinki – *Wearing kitchen apron, doing the godly party dance*
oh my word! You are soooooo funny….I’m adopting you, putting you in my pocket and taking you everywhere. (hug)
Ready to be adopt *holding a banner says pick me and still wearing a kitchen apron*
LOL …..Tonight I’m going to have “laughter” dreams…
@9mm babe!!
Clever girl!!
So it is! JYJ has the best fans ever!!!
i remembered when i read a comment of facebook stating that sones are better than jyj’s fans…i really made my blood boil…grrr…
maybe their brains left them…hmpf…
They said that? Lols……Seriously?
@myself
“i remembered when i read a comment of facebook stating that sones are better than jyj’s fans…”
REALLY? @ what? Showing off legs too? HEheeheh…. kidding~!
i will sing it too 🙂
“What goes around, comes around”….and truth will always prevail no matter how you cover it with lies after lies after lies …I just feel a little bit of sorry for the other girl-bands, boy-bands, actors, actresses under SME, but then again, i do believe they all knew what will befall to them eventually…
^_______^ *shaking my body to the beautiful ‘Pierrot’*…nggggeeeeeee
“SM, The Empty Spot Left by TVXQ is Huge… Results Drop”
The article just need to used the word EMPTY there. hehehehe
@9mmleftshinki; empty like in…….. ¡EMPTY POCKETS!
Or empty like in………. ¡EMPTY HEADS!
EMPTY HEADS lols Yup yup yup I hope they will be EMPTY IN SANITY as well.
Today would be a magnificient day as well right.
JYJ in US, JYJ kicking ass, SME in misery…Im sipping my coffee….Yes Perfect day indeed.
Want some drink?
I’ve got Tio!
reading this with big smile on my face..what a great day..never be this evil before..sorry SM..huahuahuahua
just wonder what next strategy will be..i heard Lee So Man announce before about coming soon debuting of new group call SM1 and SM2..each team have 5 member..they will be debut with the same song at korea and china at the same time..and because of this many fan of tvxq2 and suju didn’t feel easy..they afraid SM will neglect their idol..sigh
and i think you guys also know yoochun mention on Come To Play 2008, they’re named as SM5 first before change it to DBSK..look like SM try to create another TVXQ..dear SM, good luck with your try but please leave jyj alone..aishh i cant wait for last hearing of jyj lawsuit..this account has proved it that SM is a liar..hope no excuse to drag case anymore since before this they keep saying that they need time to manage their account..
Are you serious? That is their solution? Finding replacement groups instead of working with what they have? I’m not that crazy about Homin but I feel for them. This really should be the time for them to leave. They can find another company to manage them. All the others would do well to leave as well. Hell it is what? 35 of them total? They can stick it to SM.
SM5? Really. That is the best they could come up with?
….You really are going nowhere SM.
The 90% decline in profits is extremely large especially when they’ve been perpetuating in the media the huge sales and sold out concerts. I think the deep decline in spite of how great their idols are doing raises questions whether or not the sales figures were inflated.
some people said that the nation idol girls band make HUGE profit, oh where the profit go? And in one article I remember that 2VXQ is the number one band who sell the album, is it true?
I have so many answer for that but I wont say it coz it will hurt so many hearts. So yeah by now, they should realize their oppar and unnirs success might be a fabrication of their powerhouse company to retain their pride.
i also have some answers for that. would u mind sharing ur thought with me?
Hearts were meant to heal if they’re broken. I want to know where the profits went. It won’t hurt me that much to know.
The profit will goes to the company obviously. But I believe lots goes to the “image reconstruction” fees. Be it in promotional effort and in hmmmmm “artist reconstruction” If you get my drift you understand what I am implying here.Some of them in every comeback will have new face, Im sorry. They are pretty but what the company keep pushing them to become more plastic is beyond me. Probably is the nature in this company selling images rather than showcase the talents and music value. Seriously SME is business mongers, nothing more nothing less.
They used up most of the profits to their execs leisure, but the salary of employees are stagnant. They appreciate the top gun more than appreciating the “hands and feet” that doing all the chores in the company.
Not to mention their nature to “buy” reputation and “pay” to destroy competitors. I bet this company is a flock of white collar criminals.
And I dont want to discuss the possibility of this company using their artist to be part of the merchandise and escort to the stockholders and execs or event government officials. This is not unusual, it happen around the globe even in my country. Kpop fans always think rainbows, but honestly entertainment bizz are as dirty as any sectors that involve big bucks.
It happened to Jung Ja Yeon but her company was tiny.
I dont know if it will happen in SM. but then again when SNSD debuted they had barely legal teenage girls present a provocative image to what was through their own admission a market aimed at middle aged men.
Aiiiiiish i feel sorry for the SM artists.
Yes me too. I just cant imagine the real world they live in behind all the smiles and cutesy persona.
Honestly, are some folks seriously believe that those execs and high profile people not drools on them as much as the fan did? Those people have the upper hand, they have the power, money and reputation that can put the company in good position, and knowing the company that have reputation of dirty practice, for them to “sacrifice” their artist is not a bizarre occurrence.
9mmleftshinki
” Kpop fans always think rainbows, but honestly entertainment bizz are as dirty as any sectors that involve big bucks.”
Big bucks and the big dreams of a bunch of uneducated teenagers.
that number one band who sell the most no. of albums is a very big question mark, i remember the writer compared the sales with bigbang but didn’t take into account that bbang released their album much later … so maybe that was just a promotional news. And about the number of albums sold = 200k+, and all their fans were jumping saying they’re really the kings…what’s that 200k+ if you balance it out with their promotional expenses (cf’s, cinemas, expensive mvs, among others) and all the production costs, I doubt if they even reach a marginal return, but that sales was a headline news all over.
It’s only logical that SM did not earn as much as last year. It seems that Homin (TVXQ2) is the only group w/ comeback in korean in the early 2011. The rest like SNSD, Super Junior, & Shinee are all focusing on overseas promotion (especially in Japan).
This calculated from all sources
including overseas income
When JYJ one day finally win the lawsuit the stock prices will go even more down ^____^
But I wonder if the largest shareholder gave his shares to some pigheaded people in the company to buy their loyalty and this is why he has less shares.
JYJ fans should short SM Stock.
and when the stock price slides down make some money off SM’s misery
^_^
i wouldnt put it past the ajumma fans.
@9mmleftshinki, Imagine if this article pop out in AKP? I swear there will be FANWAR in AKP, and some delusional fans will curse that journalist or the translator
Stupidity in Kpop world is common. The delusional people are significantly relevant in numbers. Fanatism is part of it that bring all those denial. Heh…. dont flock with stupid, it will make you as one as well. Stupidity can be contagious lols. You befriend will smart folks you will become smart as well. hehehehe
I notice some “in denial” comments in here….. my message to those people “ACCEPT REALITY AND DEAL WITH IT”. You cant denied quantitative analysis since it it facts and numbers.
@9mmleftshinki, just ignore that delusional fans, they still in lalaland, just let’s get the party started! Now I really love song with title “keep your stock down”
Keep Your Stock Down is a new anthem.
Maybe they will make a TV live action movie/drama — Stock Heading to the ground.
I’ve sung that before, then changed it to Keep ur SALES Down… Then yeah… the song is revived to Keep Your Stocks Down again… hahahah
Obviously DB5K was their cash cow since the beginning, no doubt SM will have their shortage even if HoMin is active (because 5 is better than 2).
Anyway, I’m all up for SM’s in-yo-face, but lately I see a lot of comments bashing the two. I know this is a JYJ site, but please drop the unnecessary act. Most of you probably don’t like HoMin obviously or the choice they made, just remember that JYJ still considers them brothers even if they didn’t join them. So be a mature fan and don’t mention them here. 🙂
Hi @Shinigami,
yeas…there are comments bashing HoMin…and I’m tempted to leave one myself, based on HoMin interviews where they (HoMin) subtly or blatantly diss JYJ…especially in terms of questioning their ethics. I am refraining… however, the article contains the sub-headline *SM, The Empty Spot Left by TVXQ is Huge… Results Drop* ….this reference is clearly meant to intend that TVXQ2 is not TVXQ….thus the writer of the article opens the discussion of what’s missing and I think it’s perfectly acceptable for posters here to answer that question. Restraint tempered with truth.
If they were sincere enough to speak their true hearts, we never had to bash them. What we don’t like is their lack of honesty.
Yes !!! Liars !!! & Cowardice acts….
I understand what you’ve said, even though you didn’t entirely get what I’m trying to say. I’m not trying to make a point of JYJ and HoMin still have that brotherly relationship they used to have, clearly they’re not anymore.
Maybe I should be more clearer when I said don’t bash HoMin because that was the thing that riled you guys up. This is a JYJ site, obviously. I was only trying to say be the better man(woman) and tone down all that hatred towards them (just look at all recurring and “mature” comments of HoMin on this site, not just this post). Bashing HoMin is unavoidable, but since it is inevitable from the start, I don’t know why I even care anymore.
You can go ahead and get the beating started, sally_b, I’m not joining. This is the last post I’ll making for this post. Thanks for all the insightul comments, I’ll say this once and for all, I have no intention to start a fight. I’ve been reading comments ever since this site started, I’m just giving a piece of what I have to said. I’ve no intention to change you or whatsoever, I’m just asking you to be a better fandom, but I guess in my case, it is not needed. Have a great day, everyone. 🙂
OT Youre a shinigami, then in a Vizard!
Btw… its those two fault that some of us and myself obviously have this bitter feeling and have the tendency to give them spicy criticism. Its only natural to feel made against those that had hurt the one we love. Its like a person insult my friend, i wont just look and keep quite just because that person is my friend’s sister. The fact that, that person hurt the one we love is enough reason to retaliate and give our own piece of mind.
I might come as rude or picking a fight with this but I hope everyone please drop the advice to us to become a good fans and giving recipe or tips on how JYJ still consider them as brothers. JYJ might forgive them, might think them as brothers, just like an example above… but at least from me, its a definitely no way in hell I forgive them so saying stuff like “Junsu is inhuman” “JYJ have weak character” “JYJ lost their way in fame” “JYJ is not part of DBSK” “geese etc” “taking pictures with people that openly bash JYJ on twitter and news a day after those bashing spree, with grins and hugging each other just to make a statement — this is my side”.
They dont deserve any reservation of respect from me. They dont deserve this to get a bit of love that I have. Just because they are JYJ brothers or JYJ still love them, I will overlook their hurtful behavior coz the fact they had hurt JYJ still remain the same.
I dx care them having different routes, they can destroy themselves or being hugely successful … i dx freaking care coz its not my business. But once they drop all those stupid commentary…then I have a problem with them.
As a teacher, you preach well.
As a scientist, I agree with all the facts and conclusion you drew here ^^
I can feel that this post have an influx of SME supporters and delusional fans coz our party yesterday was too cool. They just cant miss the party today.
@9mmleftshinki I can feel your bitterness towards them, because I used to feel that way, too, esp. at the beginning of the year when HoMin’s interviews regarding JYJ really made me hurt. Although I won’t forget they ever said those hurtful words, I’m way too optimistic for my own good towards the five of them because I used to be a DBSK fan for quite a long time, so you could understand how sad I am to have the situation like this, even though the two have changed. Even though I’m still OT5 fan, I’m more inclined towards JYJ, because they have the freedom to express their true feelings towards their fans.
Just like you, if the person insult their brother, you have the urge to protect your friend. But for me, that person is also my friend. Even though I’ll protect the friend who has been hurt, I’m still inclined to know why the are insulting their brother, even if they have changed.
I’m not asking to be give them respect or forgiveness, dear, because I’m not sure they deserve it. You and me have different opinions, that’s ok, because not all the time we have the same opinions, so I’ll just quietly leave it as that. ^^
ahh…….I can see why we have differences, oh well its okay I understand what you try to convey.
@9mmleftshinki
Well said. I love your reasoning and your powerful english.
Its a pity that they are always ready with the same old advice: be a mature fans, JYJ still regards them as brothers, blahhhh, blahhhhh.
Heheh… i think most of us a matured enough to know what is right or what is wrong, matured enough to say whatever we want to say…
I also think you also should be mature enough to accept others’ opinions and thoughts, yes? ^^
hi @shinigami
jyj still considers them as brother,CONSIDERS-think about it,in order to decide,is a opinion!!!!
opportunity are given to them allowing them to choice their path with all respect but!do all the choice make them happy no?yet their keep pushing back on JYJ with all mighty bashing lies.HM is mask by SM doing who is not mature.the fans you call is not mature.why cant we bash HM here i am mature enough to kick LSM ass…..HM2,i mature enough to snap their ass.our bashing is all about fact/honesty.god bless
“our bashing is all about fact/honesty” Fact? You mean opinion? Think about it, it’s still an opinion of the fans. I’m not even defending whatever lies HoMin have said.
Wasn’t trying to pick a fight with you girls/guys, but I had a hunch it will ended up like this every time minority opinion surfaced.
God bless you.
@Shinigami – hey there, I absolutely *got* that you weren’t trying to pick a fight…and I’m sure you understand that for a number of us, we’ve been told to ‘simmer down’ and be mature one too many times – by people who were *in fact* trying to pick a fight. I think you just pressed the hot button with your elbow instead of your index finger – if you get what I mean. LOL
I have a small hot-button of my own to press and I’ll take the beating from my sisters here if they wanna give me one – But I’m not entirely convinced that JYJ and HoMin *do still regard* each other as *brothers*. Oh certainly they would recognize their prior bond and the closeness they had during that time.
But just like any other human relationship – things CAN change. Changmin clearly is holding some serious resentment, Yunho has verbally expressed a willingness to ‘accept them back’….but that is (in my opinion) a left-handed manner of saying “on my terms through compliance”… and I’m not letting JYJ off the hook…because they have freedom of movement that HoMin can’t even imagine – and yet they (to my knowledge) have not been ardent/forceful about seeking reconciliation.
So what I’m saying is – I think they are probably as mad and distant from each other as is the split in the fandom. I do not consider HoMin-ites & YunJaer’s to be my sisters…we can be casual acquaintances if in the same room, but I’m not having any over for dinner – speaking metaphorically ~ 😉
let the beating begin ~ hahaa ~
just that as sally b say we’ve been told to simmer down and be mature one to many times.i know u r not trying to pick a fight same as me.is all still about an opinion of the fans.i am not mad at all about the split.just that as a fans if is a good bash why not v have the freedom to do so.the bash comment post of words will give us fans the freedom to learn/think and find our way what are we lacking as a fans.in fact every comment no one is trying to pick a fight just to had our said.thank you shingami for sharing your opinion/thoughts.:)
okay not anymore to rub salt on an open wound.. Homin bashing here are not just for fun but they are based from what the two have publicly said and done.. if there were baseless bashing, this place have been quite matured enough already to delete or call out unnecessary comments.. one example is when someone tried to bash SNSD here and tell that they were whores.. JYJ fans came to the rescue and the person got some really good scolding.. SNSD girls never bad mouthed JYJ and they dont deserve any bad comments regarding their talent just because they were part of SM.. So people here (if you really are paying attention) are quite mature.. I’m not saying JYJ fans are angels and that they dont nitpick or make pun coz we do.. we still have evil bones..but if you dont want to be hurt by Homin “bashing” (opinion and bashing had a very thin line drawn in this fandom) then dont read them.. even Junsu gets some spotlight because of his clothes, Jaejoong for his hair and Yoochun for …. hmmm….. his hair too.. so this place is not for the sensitive.. if you have opinions.. state them but you cannot force people to do things your way.. you can only influence them to a certain degree.. JYJ and it’s fans are being bashed in Homin and OT5 sites as well .. (unfortunately most are groundless) it’ll be tiring for you to go there and tell them to stop too.. so yeah.. i understand what you want.. but if you want a Homin bashing free environment.. you can always create a blog and remove any comments that will not suite your taste.. (by the way *hugs* you this is message has no intention to start a fight, i just want you to understand that this place has been great as it is.. any changes as you were suggesting , will make this place loose the fangs that the fans have been coming in here for at the first place)
obviously most (i emphasize on most /not/ all) jyj supporters are new fans post lawsuit and most likely post skks that i get why they would hate on homin so much. they werent there when we laughed and cried together with the boys, all five of them, as they went through ups and downs through the years. they dont cherish the brotherhood these boys have together, and really, its sad to see such a beautiful fandom crumble like this. i hate reading all these homin bashing these people do but what can i do? this is obviously a jyj site and being an ot5, i feel like im not welcomed either in a jyj site or a homin site. i go to these sites because they always have the latest and fastest news on these boys compared to an ot5 site (which is scarce nowadays )):) but mostly i see jyj getting bashed or homin getting bashed, it pains me to read but usually i just ignore it.
honestly, i think im one of the very few ot5 who has accepted, no, has welcomed this break up. yes. i’m not delusional to think they will ever be together again (though, i will always hope, always keep the faith) everything happens for a reason and i see this break up as a sort of blessing.
without this lawsuit, we would never see mozart or tears of heaven, junsu being a musical actor and becoming a blue chip in the musical world, see him so happy playing soccer and just glowing. nor would we see yoochun being such an awesome lee seon jun, such an award winning performance that i forgot i was watching yoochun and actually thought him as seon jun. we would also never see jae directing his very own concert and the gala show and being such a strong leader for his dongsaengs, the person the boys will always look up to. we would never hear beautiful compositions like fallen leaves and heaven.
without this lawsuit, changmin would forever be overshadowed by his brothers, would only be known as the screamer of the group when he has an exceptionally beautiful voice and people wont see how he funny really is because he was always cut in interviews and variety shows. and yunho. the most underrated member of dbsk. his singing has improved so much that even during lives, when he has to dance so much, he sounds more stable than changmin.
seriously, i love everyone so much. like most of the people above have said, you want to protect the people you love. well i love all five of them, so imagine how i feel when you bash any one of them. i would want to protect any of them just as equally and just as fiercely. i know i’ll probably still get bashed by the jyj fans regardless, but i hope you can respect my opinion as i have not told you guys to ‘be more mature’ or ‘stop bashing my oppas’ and merely stated what i feel.
lol, back to the post…. sm is probably shitting bricks rn because now the public have proof of the lies they spat out in court. im so happy jyj got out when they did, they got their freedom and happiness. i just really hope homin knew what they were doing sticking with SM.
@sugarcream
Thank you for sharing in such a thoughtful and respectful way 🙂
My heart really goes out to OT5 fans who really want to support them all. And I think it’s much more healthy, and HONEST, to admit that even those that support 5 … everyone has their own biases and preferences like you’ve acknowledge yours toward JYJ. Having your own preferences and POV doesn’t mean you care for the 5 people any less than you used, it’s just being honest about your attachments. No one is capable of being truly neutral especially when it comes to evaluating other people and their choices.
I respect that Homin made their choices because we are not them, only YH & CM know what they want and everyone should be free to make there choices. But my respect for their autonomy and right to make choices =/= I have respect for them as people or as artists. It doesn’t mean I hate them, rather I view them the same way I view nameless, faceless people I’ve never met around the world. I just don’t admire them the way I admire and respect JYJ. Just like how I don’t admire investment bankers (I like all my friends that went into i-banking and have fun with them but I don’t hold admiration for their work the way I have admiration for humanitarian workers or architects whose design I really like and so on and so on). There’s a difference.
It’s true, OT5 sites are quite slow and very, very inactive in terms of comment sections these days because most fans have migrated to JYJ or HM sites. I don’t know about HM sites but one of the things that makes JYJ3 so successful is that it’s always SO FAST! And so I do understand that some OT5 visit both JYJ & HM sites for info and it can be quite uncomfortable to read comments that are negative about the other side there.
My best advice, just read the updates without reading comments. Or visit withJYJ.wordpress.com (they’re not quite as fast but not many people comment there).
I like your comment and i totally understand your point,but let me share mine..
I’am as you from the old generation of cassies still i made a choice.
When the lawsuit started i was devastated but not surprised rumors were going around earlier and all of us fans knew that our boys were overworked,that SM cared only about money,what kept me strong as OT5 was believing that the bond between our boys would never fade and was much stronger than a lawsuit.
As any decent old school cassie when the boycott started i joined it,SM was destroying TVXQ how could i not try to stop that by using the only power that i have,money.When the activities were halted also in Japan i felt as the world was crashing me down,but still i believed.When JYJ started to promote as unit under Avex i was relieved of the chance of seeing/hearing 3/5 but my heart and mind wanted more.I wanted the 5 of them again on the same stage!
As most of us i started to think that they will be back together soon,that it was not a problem between the members(as all 5 have said at beginning),that either the lawsuit ends soon either HoMin would join their “brothers” in their fight for their rights.I even overlooked Yunho’s father unwanted and hatefull statments toward JYJ and their fam.
I started, as most, to use AKTF as my motto forgetting that it was Jaejoong and Yoochun’s motto and that i didn’t know to what they were referring and if they were referring to the 5 of them or something else more personal.
Nonetheless my faith was strong,as time went by i started to accept the fact that TVXQ was diveded and even though the problem was not between the members different life choices brought them apart,i concluded that as a fan of the 5 i should maybe just move on and cherish both JYJ and Homin when they would come back.
Rumors of Homin comeback were surfacing,i was overjoyed.
But then in late 2010 SM made it to the news for modifying their contract to follow KFTC “suggestions”,all of their artist choosed to renew their contracts with them,among those names were Yunho and Changmin…I couldn’t believe it..HoMin renewed their contracts for another 10 years!Why would they chain them selves to SM for another 10 years?Don’t they know that such move would result like “SM is great in fact we are signing for another 10 years,JYJ are just delusional”?
But love is stupid it makes you do stupid things,i started to actually believe in some AU scenarios…”HoMin were being blackmailed”…”It’s all a TVXQ scheme JYJ are fighting from the outside and HoMin from the inside!”…i wanted to be positive,i couldn’t believe that all that “brotherhood” was over,that HoMin choose to stay in SM out of their free will.I strongly belivied that as JYJ had a chance to sing on stage so HoMin should have.It wasn’t right that all they did was dramas/musical and photoshoots,damn they were singers they should have every right to sing on stage…i was excited for their comeback.
But then KYHD/TVXQact2 happened….my heart was torn to pieces,my rage was outrageous…how could they?in none of “my” AU scenarios i immagined HoMin dissing JYJ or taking TVXQ name all for them selves!
My emotional part was ready to accept that it was really a song about an ex lover but the rational one didn’t let it.Even if that was the case and HoMin didn’t intend to diss JYJ,how could they come out with a song that could be interpreted as such?Why did they follow a coreo that disses the 3?Why they are using TVXQ name?Didn’t Leader-shi promise us that TVXQ=5?Didn’t Min say that he rather go back to school than continue TVXQ with a missing member?Were they lying to us when they said those things?Were they that stupid to think that nor JYJ nor Cassiopeia would be offended by those things?
To add to the fire they started talking and lying….”goose”…”young and blinded by money”…”they never contacted us”…”TVXQ place is with SM”…”i will patt them on the head and then embrace them”…my trust and love for them was betrayed by their own actions and words,i could no longer support such artists.
My love for TVXQ started like for any other teenager because of their looks,i loved hot looking guys but what kept me buying for 6 years their products was their talent and commitment to Cassiopeia and to each other.
HoMin choose to betray their promise to us TVXQ=5 and further lied and contraddicted them selves in their recent press releases just for the sake of money,cause let’s be frank the only plausible reason as to why HoMin would choose to stay with SM on first place is that they thought that they couldn’t make it without SM and rather stay illtreated but with something than go out in the wild and risk everything.
They didn’t have nor faith nor respect for me as a fan,so i think it’s totally right for me to no longer wish to support them or belivie in them.
As for JYJ supporters and HoMin boycotters being mostly new to the fandom i beg to differ,if that was the case the boycott against SM promoted by K-Cassiopeia wouldn’t have been succesful and HoMin would actually have sold more and topped more charts than they did.But they didn’t,cause it’s old cassies the ones who promoted it and are continuing it,it’s old cassie who really care to bring SM down and it’s old cassies’s money that it’s missing in SM poketts not JYJ new fans who came to the fandom only recently and didn’t use to buy all of TVXQact1 products.
Do you really think that JYJ would have had such amazing “debut” if old school Cassiopeia wasn’t backing them up and promoting them?
I understand your point of view and i understand your being hurt by some of the words that may come out in the comments but then again as you said this is a JYJ site,here you will find only JYJ fans and old school cassies like me who choose a side.But what i don’t understand and it really pisses me off is OT5 trying to give us a lecture in what it is being a Cassie and how new fans can’t understand your pain,i understand it,i was one of you but people grow up and make choices,what make you think that your decision is better than ours so you have the right to lecture us?You don’t see JYJ fans going on OT5 sites and writing why their choice is better,Why?Cause we really don’t give a damn we choosed JYJ and we don’t feel the urge to justify our decision.
@sarahdot
Wow! I bet you feel better having gotten THAT off your chest! lol That was quite a story… thank you for taking the time to write it all down. Although I started out a fan of The Five for a few years, I also chose with nary a look back the new beginnings of JYJ once I really read up and understood the facts of what happened at the time of the break-up and subsequent lawsuit. And I too also became completely disillusioned with the behavior of YH&CM over the last 2 years, culminating in real anger when I heard the lyrics to KYHD. They are not innocent victims here, they are young men who made their choice and I can’t bear to see them, listen to them or watch 10 seconds of one of their videos these days.
thank you for sharing, a lot of interesting things in your comment but I loved this line:
“TVXQ was divided and even though the problem was not between the members, different life choices brought them apart.”
That’s exactly how I view the situation. People make difference choices in life which puts you on different paths and over time that changes your relationship to each other. You can either grow together or grow apart.
To make it work, both sides need to be willing to work on it and to grow together. JJ’s friends in Avex (Ayu, Naoya, Shirotia Yu, etc) are all still his friends and support him, go to his concerts, meet up with him, communicate their support publicly via twitter, etc. But none of JJ’s SM friends including Homin have ever made any attempt to reach out. Nor have Homin ever reciprocated any of the calls of love and yearning from JYJ. A relationship involves more than one party. You can’t be in a relationship if the other side doesn’t want to be in one.
One day in the future, I hope all 5 can reconcile as friends but they’ll do it on their own time if they do it. No need for fans to pressure them to reunite professionally. Even on a musical/professional level, everyone is headed in different directions.
Also
>>”You don’t see JYJ fans going on OT5 sites and writing why their choice is better. Why? Cause we really don’t give a damn we chose JYJ and we don’t feel the urge to justify our decision.”
YUP!
WOAH~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did you just spill all what I have been thinking and feeling since all this bullcrap happened? Man, I could never have said it better~!!! Thank you. THANK YOU SO MUCH SARAHDOT~
@Lilibaiyu
Well Yeah i felt better then few hours later i checked AKP….now i want to punch people!
I don’t know if it’s “age talking” but am becoming more and more intolerant toward stupid people!
“They are not innocent victims here, they are young men who made their choice and I can’t bear to see them, listen to them or watch 10 seconds of one of their videos these days.”
Same here sis and i only read posts about them if they involve JYJ,i completly washed my hands of them after the comeback!
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me!
@dinosaur
“To make it work, both sides need to be willing to work on it and to grow together. JJ’s friends in Avex (Ayu, Naoya, Shirotia Yu, etc) are all still his friends and support him, go to his concerts, meet up with him, communicate their support publicly via twitter, etc. But none of JJ’s SM friends including Homin have ever made any attempt to reach out. Nor have Homin ever reciprocated any of the calls of love and yearning from JYJ. A relationship involves more than one party. You can’t be in a relationship if the other side doesn’t want to be in one. ”
So fucking true!!
@sam-sam
YOU ARE WELCOME SAM-SAM =P
@sarahdot
“I don’t know if it’s “age talking” but am becoming more and more intolerant toward stupid people!”
No, I also do not suffer fools gladly these days. I’m old now, so at the very least I reserve the right to be cranky. lol
@sarahdot & sammie
*hugging you both* I wish I could do something more to ease your hurt & pain.
@Lilibaiyu
Oh so am not alone!
Let’s be cranky together^_=
@Sapphire
*Hugs you back
Don’t worry hun^^ JYJ music is soothing my soul^^
@sarahdot
“Oh so am not alone! Let’s be cranky together^_=”
You got it, girlfriend! 🙂
@sugarcream
This is a JYJ fan site & many fans are still very angry with HoMin. Most of us who post here regularly regard JYJ3 as our home, a special & treasured place where we can be ourselves, & say whatever we want, without being lectured on it. (& @Shinigami – without being told to be more mature or to be the better person/fandom.) Here we can vent, spazz, debate, argue, discuss, joke, fool around like idiots & just be ourselves enjoying our love for JYJ & our friendships with each other. OT5’s are welcome here – if they don’t push their bias on to us or expect us to compromise/moderate our feelings & opinions to accomodate them – we do that enough in the real world. Here at home we just want to relax & be ourselves. Most days we try to be sensitive of our OT5 visitors/family members, but sometimes we need to vent, be that in anger or through a joke.This is OUR HOME & although anyone can wander in here, those that do should take note of the banner above: JYJ3 JUST FOR JYJ’S LOVERS. Our lovely admins can’t make it any clearer! I’m sorry for the pain you’ve been through, & I understand & accept you loving & wanting to protect HoMin, but this isn’t the place to do it. If you can’t handle that, then perhaps you shouldn’t read the comments section.
@Sapphire
“Here we can vent, spazz, debate, argue, discuss, joke, fool around like idiots & just be ourselves enjoying our love for JYJ & our friendships with each other.”
Amen, sister, and a wonderful, welcoming and endlessly fascinating environment we all make of it, too. JYJ3 is the best possible place to be. I really treasure the great people here–so smart, so funny, the coolest!
@Lilibaiyu
I’m so glad you’re one of the family sis! I love your comments on the JYJ Files & was really happy when you joined us here. Your intelligent & incisive comments help make up for the loss of Jimmie & your spazzing is just pure joy!
@Sapphire
“I’m so glad you’re one of the family sis! ”
awwww….. **blush blush** Thanks, sweetie-pie.
i would like to say with gratitude to all JYJ3 fans.this is a place full of beautiful people.even i am lacking in eng comments but still enjoy every moment of friendship with fascinating positive comments from wonderful people in JYJ3.my gratitude to all this lovely fans.
I post this up there, so this is a repost :p
as an ex-tvxq act1’s fan,
I saw the tvxq act2 performances, and I wouldn’t say they are bad, they are good, but can’t say they are the best, with 7 years experiences they should become best of the best.
now their position is like a new comer, they are not strong enough as 2, I think they will weaker as solo too.
I think, people will always remember tvxq as 5 not 2.
anything SM does to change that fact will not going to work.
Agree…
I never say Homin should never have a comeback… They should… It’s their dream to become a star
But, at least not with the name TVXQ…
Just let TVXQ be something we always cherish and love… Something legendary… Something that makes us cry and laugh at the same time…
Something that all five are able to comeback to…
I wish…
Not only SM heart is empty. Apparently their pocket starts to get emptied too.
I’m bad if I’m glad for this news?
http://hallyudream.blogspot.com/
Hmmmm…. How is this profit counted? It’s only for their sales in 1st quarter of 2011 only? What about the yearly income? Can someone tell me? I’m lost….
However… I think SM should stop experimenting….. I mean, new faces and pretty gimmicks are nice and entertaining… But, TVXQ5 become the biggest boy band in Asia and having the most hardcore fans (yes, they were called mighty Cassiopeia for a reason) not only because they are entertaining or handsome, but because they are able to touch your heart with their love with music, their ability to perform and their warm personality….
SM, dear, as much as I don’t like the way you do your business, I think you should take care of your idol more… And that doesn’t only mean giving them fair share of their money, but the opportunity to create something… You’re selling ‘people’, treat them like one….
if they weren’t too greedy, this wouldn’t have happened to them… i wonder how much they’re paying their staff.
“What comes around, goes around. What’s up must go down.”
I a bit concern about that cause SM much be displeased that his profit decrease and they much do something to destroy JYJ who left from his company =__=!!
JYJ = money
ps. sorry for my bad language
hahahahah!!! i think this is FUNNY….
Title;
A MEGA ENTERTAINMENT PROFIT FALLS DOWN JUST BECAUSE OF 3 GUYS.
doesnt it funny….where’s The Grace…should the grace give u[sme] a big profit…??
SME ceo or whatsoever…they can enter Gag concert for the next year…should help ur company….hurmmm
Lol?
HAPPY FOR JYJ FAMILY (:
i knew it this day will come.
i’m now waiting for all those who bashed
Junsu and leave sarcastic remarks in his GQ interviews
abt how slaves shd act
as well as those ‘friends’ who made jyj looked bad in their
every tv appearances to go thru’ exactly what sm did to
JYJ when they were in Japan.
i want to see how long these ppl can take these kind of craps
from their ‘family’.
in other words, i’m waiting for one of them or some
who will explode and cause a dramatic scene
to show how unfairly they’ve been treated by their own ‘father’
it will happen….i’m waiting!
@jiji-sama “…to go thru’ exactly what sm did to JYJ when they were in Japan.
i want to see how long these ppl can take these kind of craps from their ‘family’. in other words, i’m waiting for one of them or some who will explode and cause a dramatic scene”
You and me both ! ….I’ve been saying for months now that one of the many reasons SM is in such hot pursuit of ruining JYJ is to set an example for the stable-of-idols they still have under contract. They want to scare the hell out of the ones who are on the verge of speaking out/busting out.
As an example – back when SHINee was in mid-promotion for the LuciferCD…maknae Taemin looked increasingly ANGRY at every live performance — like REALLY pissed off…and it showed. To the point where the fan boards lit up with discussion over it – and the word from K-fans at the time was that Taemin was acting-out over their schedule and not getting any rest. The next week his face on the shows was like an emotionless mask…or a clearly forced smile. It was really painful to watch. Obviously he had been called on the carpet and MADE to comply.
…and part of me wonders how much of that was done by his fellow SM-Cult members – even if it was delivered in the form of well-intentioned brotherly advice – Taemin clearly got a slap down for SHOWING he was unhappy.
So yeah…..they have too many artists under the same box-like conditions – someone is going to snap! mark my words.
well, sm is planning to debut like a new boy band or something, i hope this decision wont drag them to hell because it will only add more cost. Oh well, this news make me happy ^____^ party time anyone?
it’s really not very good to gloat over people’s misfortune… but too bad… i can’t help it… Hahaha=)
if this goes on and sm stock prices drop further… maybe jyj can consider acquiring their stocks since many shareholders might want to give up theirs… then comes one day when jyj will walk into the annual general meeting with their heads held high and announced that they are the shareholders of SM… hahaha… what will sm do then???? hope my wish can come dream!!!
as much as i wanted it to happen.. nahhh i dont think so.. the 3 are so smart for them to risk investing on something that unstable..
yup… the 3 are smart enough to assess the risk and preventing themselves from investing in risky products… but maybe one day they can be the major shareholders who can make a difference to the whole management of the company… haha… change the whole system… JYJ to become the BOSS!!! make changes to the whole industry…
thay said how could jyj bite the hands that were feeding them .
i guess it was jyj that were feeding them and they bite jyj hands
A++++
SME dared to bite the hands that fed their executives.. and this is what it brought them.. they should use this lecture to the other idols coming for SM’s rescue using that very same reason.. “dont bite the hands that feeds you”
Well said!!!!! A
A+++++++++++++++++
and in the last hearing, sme dared to give the court report of their 2008-2009 overseas profit, in where they say that TVXQ DIDNT PROFITTED THEM WELL ENOUGH COMPARED TO BOA, GO ARA, AND F(X).. AS TVXQ ONLY BRING LESS THAN 1% OF ALL OVERSEAS PROFIT SME GOT…
in ur ugly-liar-face sme! now try to say those things again in court, i believe not only people will laugh at u again, they will think u r delusional!!!
on other side, i hope this wont make sme try harder to make JYJ come back to them, as they really in need of BIG source of income right now…
SM isn’t stupid tho. they should have seen this coming, and they have SNSD who is a MAJOR cash cow. still, this isn’t a good news. SME isn’t the only one dominating the industry atm, there are YG, JYP, Cube etc. plus, aren’t they going to debut like 3 boy groups this month? and that theme park project? well, good luck =____=
SME is too ambitious and yes, greedy…
btw i know some people hate SM, but keep in mind that SME aren’t just the CEO and the shareholders. they have hundreds of employees, who probably are the most effected by this profit plunge 😦
I’m so enjoying reading all these posts!
lets tip this to allkpop everyone
i think so too. wondering why these kind of news never appear on dat site but always things that saying SM bla bla bla… beautiful
*sigh*
“don’t bite the hand of the one who’s feeding you”
SM didn’t take this seriously….
Who’s the LIAR now?!
LOL!
aahhh.. no wonder SoMeonE is concentrating all their artistes in Japan now… to bring in a sudden increase in sales to show that it is still v successful? SNSD+SHINeee+SJ+2VXQ.. basically mobilizing all their big shots in attacking the japanese market in the third quarter. Desperately trying to fill up the “hole” caused by the loss of dbskact1? lol.
no wonder people in the courtroom were laughing when SM claimed that dbsk didn’t bring in as much profit as their other artists
tsk tsk, SM, look what trouble you got yourself into.
OUCHHHHH !!!! …..this has to hurt .
SM ….Way too much effort and still failed….people told you be careful with KARMA .
Please, Tip this to allkpop!!!
Justice prevails!
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