JYJ3 note: This is Part 2 of an article written by Professor Lee DongYeon, who teaches cultural theory at Korea National University of Arts. We decided to translate this piece due to its strength of insight and its relevance to understanding how the situation between JYJ and SM is perceived by intellectuals as well as by the general public. DNBN, among other Korean fansites, have posted the professor’s article and we believe it is our duty to share it with international fandom. Part 1 was posted yesterday and can be accessed HERE while Part 3 will be posted tomorrow.
SM’s wrong judgments
There are 2 reasons that SM decided to put the brakes on JYJ’s activities and incapacitate them. First, they believed that SM, the production company of K-pop’s most powerful idol groups, could influence JYJ’s broadcasting activities. Due to the nature of Korean popular music, it’s impossible to succeed without broadcast. The idol groups who are in SM occupy important roles in terrestrial and cable broadcasting. Members of these groups have a greater proportion of appearances on music programs, entertainment programs, radio programs, etc. than any idol of other companies. Even if the broadcasters aren’t under direct pressure, they still have to read SM’s countenance. Without SM’s tacit consent, JYJ’s broadcast appearances can’t go through. In the closing ceremony of ‘IAAF World Championships Daegu’, JYJ were able to appear on KBS because that program was not under the jurisdiction of KBS’s Entertainment Department. The broadcasting stations said that JYJ couldn’t appear because of the lawsuit with SM but as the Court has already judged that the previous exclusive contract between SM and TVXQ was unfair, this claim is not persuasive. In addition, according to reports from media, the FTC (Fair Trade Commission), after receiving many complaints about SM interfering JYJ’s activities, has investigated and found out some clues and is preparing to impose hundreds of millions won of fines [to SM].
Second, SM thought that JYJ wouldn’t be able to ensure a proper management system like they had during TVXQ days. Although the ability of the group is important to gain popularity in Korea as well as abroad, a well-organized management system is more important than anything else. For an idol groups’ activities, from music and choreography to coordination and scheduling, many staff members are needed. SM expected that, in the situation that broadcasting activities don’t work out, even if they are TVXQ’s former members, without agency’s powerful support system, they have not much possibility of success.
But the strange thing is that JYJ are on the roll now. Instead, the two members of TVXQ who received full support from SM can’t be active vigorously like JYJ are. The fans of [5-membered] TVXQ in the past also support JYJ’s activities overwhelmingly. If we compare activities of the 3 JYJ members with that of the 2 TVXQ members (concerts, showcases, albums, CF, modeling, internet searching, etc.), we can judge that JYJ are far more successful. Why did this happen?
Fandom’s righteousness
After the dismissal of TVXQ’s unfair contracts, the most important thing is the power of the fandom. SM thought that after the 3 members withdrew from TVXQ, there wouldn’t be a problem to retain the same name. They believed that if they could keep the brand called TVXQ, fans would still acclaim and support that name. But such expectation failed and broke off. The majority of TVXQ fandom support JYJ’s 3 members’ actions. To the fandom, the important thing is not TVXQ’s name itself but what defined TVXQ. Moreover, the legitimate reason for which 3 people have filed the lawsuit was distorted into the greed for personal business by SM and also by statements released by the remaining 2 DBSK members which included expressions of blame [towards JYJ]. All this made TVXQ’s fandom move to JYJ’s side. JYJ is what helped define TVXQ and now they have also become the name of truth. Fans believe that, even though they can’t hold the name of TVXQ, they will continue the righteous way to become musicians under the name of JYJ.
If so, what is the righteousness of JYJ fandom? It’s that they protect their favorite musicians themselves. At this point, fandom is ‘selfish’. To protect their favorite stars, they behave in the most exclusive way possible. Therefore, fandom wants their favorite stars and the production company that raised those stars to separate willingly. It’s true that because the production company exists, the stars can maintain their activities, but fandom doesn’t believe that the stars can’t live without production companies. To fandom, production companies are a necessary evil, an inconvenient truth. For the success of their favorite stars, a powerful production company is needed but they don’t want the production company to earn big money from their financial investment and to place the stars under strong control. Moreover, the contract that their stars were involved in is unfair. They had to work under a murderous schedule yet couldn’t get a fair distribution of profits. Hence, to fans, the production company is a public enemy. The distrust of the fandom toward TVXQ’s production company, SM, has already started from long ago. When they looked into the precedents of HOT and Shinhwa– both of whom have left SM because of unfair exclusive contract issues, they feared that, at the peak of their popularity, TVXQ may run into big difficulties because of unfair contract issue.
That fear has become a reality. TVXQ’s fandom chose justice instead of the name. They immediately set up base camp to urgently support 3 members of TVXQ and declared war toward SM. After mobilizing and finding concrete data to answer key questions; Why is TVXQ’s exclusive contract unfair, why couldn’t the members get significant economic compensation, why didn’t SM disclose the profits from Japanese activities; [the fans] came to a positive conclusion [in JYJ’s favor]. In addition, they submitted a petition regarding TVXQ’s unfair exclusive contract and brought forward the suspicion that SM was interfering with JYJ’s broadcasting activities to the FTC. They weren’t scared to change the TVXQ fandom into a JYJ fandom. By voluntary fundraising, they conducted an advertising campaign called “We support your youth” to support JYJ. To protest JYJ’s ban from TV, they even published satirical ads ‘You say that you’ll sing on TV? You?’ and ‘The 101 methods with which to drive out JYJ from broadcast’ on internet and in newspaper print. While the JYJ members are living in exile, their compatriots who support them are newly establishing a righteous republic.
Source: PRESSian
Translation by: The_Little_Pear of JYJ3 | Edited by: DoctorJaee of JYJ3
Referral by: DNBN | Shared by: JYJ3
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Yes, three young men are very brave from the beginning of their decision.
Respect!
Can I say Hallelujah and Amen to this!!! I think the author talked about the KOREAN FANDOMS’s point of view and actions.. because i still perceived that the international fandom has significant number of fans still have that blind eye to the justice JYJ is fighting for to “protect the name TVXQ and their personal memories of them”. .a lot still brush of this issue and choose to be quiet as if choosing side is betraying the other two members.. well in fact, their quietness betrays the truth JYJ stands for…
“To the fandom, the important thing is not TVXQ’s name itself but what defined TVXQ. Moreover, the legitimate reason for which 3 people have filed the lawsuit was distorted into the greed for personal business by SM and also by statements released by the remaining 2 DBSK members which included expressions of blame [towards JYJ]. All this made TVXQ’s fandom move to JYJ’s side. JYJ is what helped define TVXQ and now they have also become the name of truth. Fans believe that, even though they can’t hold the name of TVXQ, they will continue the righteous way to become musicians under the name of JYJ.”
“TVXQ’s fandom chose justice instead of the name. They immediately set up base camp to urgently support 3 members of TVXQ and declared war toward SM.”
They weren’t scared to change the TVXQ fandom into a JYJ fandom. By voluntary fundraising, they conducted an advertising campaign called “We support your youth” to support JYJ.
*nod*nod*
Amen I love this article…plz bash sm some they deserve every minute of it
“TVXQ’s fandom chose justice instead of the name.”
Aaahh, I am just glad I am a part of the JYJ family.
teya, my reply to miaw hereunder was meant to be yours!
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Hallelujah and Amen to this!!!
and I agree with you Jen , the author is primarily referring to the Korean Fandom.
YESS HALLELUJAH TO THIS!!!!!
thank u for the translation The_Little_Pear of JYJ3 and DoctorJaee of JYJ3 ^_________^
Hello! it’s been only now I could reply on your comment/answer? to my post/comment about my wish for JYJ to have concert in Manila. I’m proud to begin as JYJ fan with this article about SM and them. I can’t relate to anything TVXQ co’z I’m way behind their story.
Your circumstances of becoming a JYJ fanatic was the same as mine. I”m laughing as I was reading yours because just like you I’m a yoo ah in biased when watching SKK. But I found Lee Soon Jun interesting and the OST great!. Click button and found JJ singing live For You It’s Waiting in Seoul concert. Wow! This guy is true to his singing, I said and like you, I never turned back since then. My addiction in JYJ is here and a Jaejoong biased at that. Glad to share with you and others my sentiments, joy and glorious moments in this family. Hi to Cathe! Thanks also to MIA2. Everybody, JYJ fighting!
Oopps! sorry! I mean to send my earlier reply to teya! Hello miaw, I’m SummerJae!
No problem Summerjae 🙂 Aah, another yoo ah in biased sister, but only in sungkyunkwan 🙂 I honestly don’t know who to pick among the three JYJ as my bias. There are times that Jae leaves me breathless, but lately, Yuchun’s smile disarms me. And of course, Junsu’s happy and comical ways just draws me to him. So I’m just happy with my collective JYJ boys. 🙂 You should really try checking out TVXQ5(sorry, had to always add the five when referring to the original TVXQ). I got hooked on the Mirotic video. The guys were awesome there. If you like JYJ, you will also love TVXQ5. I regret that I missed out on everything TVXQ5 but I guess am also thankful that I was spared of agony of the split though at this point, I can somehow relate to the separation of TVXQ5. If you would be watching documentaries on TVXQ5, you will understand why most of the people here are so protective of JYJ and some feel the hurt towards homin or why a lot of fans are still hoping that the five will be one group again. TVXQ5 was that great, in my opinion. That’s why I found it so weird that their popularity didn’t spread to the Philippines. No offense, but I find TVXQ5 way better than suju.
Anyway, I dunno if we have enough fanbase to request for a JYJ concert, but I’m really hoping to see them live soon. Singapore or HK is my best alternative. 🙂
As always, let’s keep supporting JYJ.
AWESOME thats all I can say…
What the Professor states in his review is nothing but the truth. I can’t take paragraphs to analyze because I like and I agree with the whole paper. This is wonderful indeed. JYJ fandom efforts are bringing sweet and proper fruits. ¡OMG! I’m wrong. I do like one sentence more than the others:
“, the FTC (Fair Trade Commission), after receiving many complaints about SM interfering JYJ’s activities, has investigated and found out some clues and is preparing to impose hundreds of millions won of fines (to SM)”
¡YES! ¡YES! ¡YES! I’m waiting for that day to come very soon 😀 😀
this is so very true…jyj …..your fandom will always support you no matter what!!
n guys it is actually true when he said that homin blaming jyj…whenever i see them answering questions about jyj….they always say :because we got success at a very young age…it must have affected them…(HOMIN fans no bashing plzzzz)……this is the reality…i always feel this anger when HOMIN talk abt JYJ……JUST MY OPINION…NO BASHING…I WILL ALWAYS SUPPORT OT5
That’s what made me lose my respect for homin, while JYJ is up against SM, homin’s argument is that JYJ abandoned homin or is against homin .. scary how homin has been kissing sm’s ass.
hello can everybody understand something HoMin’s under SMe so they can not speak without thinking what the impact after they say that.
and why JYJ can speak out about their feeling is because they have their own managemant.
if you said HoMin like a loser it’s wasn’t true. you don’t know their true feeling about this lawsuit.
what about you? doyou know? =.= sorry but i hope you know this is JYJ website. and i agrre with teya. i also use to be an ot5 but lose respect for homin. dont mkae me talk about them because i afraid i will say bad things about them
They can’t speak anything without leaving an impact, they should have thought about that they have said so far then.
Some fans need to understand that when we speak against SM, it’s not a personal attack on HoMin. Some fans got so worked up over the tweets made by someone in the advertising industry against SM. You are a fan of the artiste, not the company. I don’t mean you are such a fan, just what I observed about some fans recently.
ERRRR DUUH ………
@NingK Gosh, U said everything I wanted to say! I I hate SME the most.
I have nothing with the artists but the label. Some people just don’t understand and i get wtf when i hear someone supporting/defending SME. Also, that misunderstanding made a lot of fans of SME groups bash JYJ. It’s incredible some comments i read in kpopsecrets (the stupidiest blog ever, in my opinion, all turned to hate on the comments).
The majority of fans i talk to hates SME for what they did to JYJ and what they did to the artists, SME is joining fandoms by hate (u must have seen tumblr talk last week, cassies, elfs, shawols united against SME).
I don’t blame JYJ for leaving and even thought it hurts a bit thanks God they left. They changed SME path and they’re succeeding, making a new path for all other artists. They opened the eyes of so many fans and public, SME can’t hide anymore. I can love the five, that’s true, but I will always support them equally. As long as they’re happy, should I care about if they’re five, two, three, thousands? xD
But still I don’t get how can people support SME’s activities. I know it’s a question of choice… i dont want to hurt anyone but it makes me sick to see people defending SME and its actions!
This article is well-done. SM underestimated fans and that’s a “pity” coz those fans got to be its worst “enemy” .
From what I see, coz i check both news, JYJ activities are the most indeed. I think that’s also because it’s almost as if they were debuting a second time, they have a lot of activities and plans. Even the news are more, but that’s also because this website is great and shares a lot of news and interesting facts. For TVXQ news, I find the most in ot5 websites and that’s kind weird for me O.O
As for TVXQ, SME thinks they’re treating them like kings not letting them participate in a lot of national tv shows. And while they’re doing some activities SME is working more in other group’s debut huh. It will be unfair if i say TVXQ is a lot stopped compared to JYJ. I think TVXQ still works everyday but the type of work they do is different. JYJ has more variety or quantity of activities. Worldtours, dramas, fanmeetings, NII and 3voices shoots. While there was a time I only saw TVXQ pics on aeroports. Just this last month it was pretty more active, just in a day they went to receive an award for MBC, participated in SBS show and still had to record their performance for the other korean show coz after they were leaving for Japan. For what TVXQ worked this whole year i didnt see as many activities as JYJ but they still didn’t stop. And their only vacations, after a whole year of work, was 4 days, from 1 to 5 January. But what can i expect from SME?
I drove away. Im sorry.
Hello,If they can’t speak about the true feelings,then just be quite.On the other hand,JYJ can speak out about their thoughts,did you ever hear them talk bad about the formal 2 members?So who is the loser?Please wake up.If fans are like you,JYJ won’t be here today,they would have been killed by SM akready.
@cassietemallyfive
Hello,if they can’t speak their mind,then just be quite.On the other hand,JYJ can say anything,did you ever hear them talk bad about 2 formal members?These 2 have no right to trash about JYJ in public show.So who is the loser.Please just wake up and smell the rose.
@ sassieternallyfive
Hello,if they can’t speak their minds,then just be quite.On the other hand,JYJ can say anything they want,have you ever heard them talk bad about 2 fomer members?So who is the loser?If fans are like you,JYJ won’t be here today,they would have been killed by SM and their so called 2 former members who Jaejoong still misses.Please wake up.
I guarantee JYJ is just as cautious as “HoMin under SMe” with regard to how they answer questions. Any public figure is acutely aware of the impact or backlash that can happen if something they say is taken out of context or phrased improperly. The fundamental difference between JYJ & HoMin is, are the words spoken their words or words given to them by others.
“HoMin can’t” is an excuse for things said by HoMin which many believe may not be HoMin’s true feelings. To be more clear, what many of you are actually saying is that HoMin is being used as a propaganda tool by SMe and they should be given the benefit of the doubt that what comes out of their mouth may not be what they actually think.
Any time I hear that excuse, my reaction is that you are pretty much telling me that I should passively support two people who work for a lying, cheating company within a corrupt and dishonest industry.
If you have any conscience at all, please tell me how you do that because frankly, I can’t.
Both parties made their choice. When Changmin had a photoshoot in Spain, he even said “I will work hard. I will prove to everyone that I made the right decision.” They could’ve left with JYJ but they didn’t. Homin preferred to stay which only implies that they chose SM over JYJ.
@pian I didn’t now changmin said that, well, i really don’t check on homin at all anyway… so, that’s what’s moving his chains… hehehe, if he really believes that he made the right choice, I don’t think he needs to be saying those specific lines … Aaah, changmin, you will soon get tired trying to defend your choice .. especially now that JYJ are making strides in the industry that you can only imagine of .. So I guess, that’s why changmin is all chummy with lee su man in a recent photo i’ve seen of him in soompi … more ass-kissing? gotto make sure that lee su man remembers who decided to stay with sm, especially since new groups are being launched again?
Changmin’s mantra .. I made the right choice, I stayed with sme, I made the right choice .. good luck to you changmin .. hehehe
@dbullock
” “HoMin can’t” is an excuse for things said by HoMin which many believe may not be HoMin’s true feelings. To be more clear, what many of you are actually saying is that HoMin is being used as a propaganda tool by SMe and they should be given the benefit of the doubt that what comes out of their mouth may not be what they actually think.
Any time I hear that excuse, my reaction is that you are pretty much telling me that I should passively support two people who work for a lying, cheating company within a corrupt and dishonest industry.
If you have any conscience at all, please tell me how you do that because frankly, I can’t.”
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@teya Yes. I think that’s his motivation. He may release such statements but his demeanor says otherwise. He’s trying to convince himself that he made the right choice. But the problem is there’s always a limit to one’s psyche. Realizations will eventually occur. It may either make you a better being or break your totality as an individual. Good luck to him.
@pujitha desiraju
You are at a pure JYJ’s site. This site only support Kim Jaejoong, Park Yoochun and Kim Junsu ONLY and the readers here are mostly JYJ’s fans. Why are you afraid? Have you been bash by Homin’s fans?
There will not be any Homin’s fans here because it’s pretty stupid to come here since this site only support the 3. Do you understand?
wow…this part 2 givve alot of good point …the point we discussed alot in JYJ3 site…..^___^
SM’s wrong judgments:
“SM expected that, in the situation that broadcasting activities don’t work out, even if they are TVXQ’s former members, without agency’s powerful support system, they have not much possibility of success.”
the answer: “we can judge that JYJ are far more successful.” ^__^
Fandom’s righteousness:
“To the fandom, the important thing is not TVXQ’s name itself but what defined TVXQ.”
JYJ is what helped define TVXQ and now they have also become the name of truth. Fans believe that, even though they can’t hold the name of TVXQ, they will continue the righteous way to become musicians under the name of JYJ”…us, JYJ fans we have the brain…we know which and who we should protect….SM they are underestimate fan’s powers ..”That fear has become a reality. TVXQ’s fandom chose justice instead of the name”….
thanks for translation ^ ^
way to go Professor, let the world see how brave JYJ are
out of topic.. I just cant with LSM’s picuture there..
I hope time will come that i can look at his picture without this itchy feeling inside my heart..
same here…
“I hope time will come that i can look at his picture without this itchy feeling inside my heart..” — i don’t think that time will come to me. well, maybe when he came ask for forgiveness… but i think i’ll always feel bitter to him for the rest of my life. haha. xD
i kinda feel bad for all DB5K. i think they just got caught in the wrong place at a wrong time. i support both Homin and JYJ. i simply cannot pick a side because i love them both and it pains me every day to see them separated because of this one company. i feel bad for Homin to be stuck in a company that doesn’t even pay them much attention because it’s too busy with its new group and other groups. SM simply doesnt care much for them yet they stayed with them… its kinda sad… if only they joined JYJ, they could be enjoying their freedom right now and be together. *sigh* SM you seriously don’t fail to disappoint me.
Why would you feel bad for Homin? Don’t you ever take a second and think perhaps they are really happy where they are?
true… in fact, they already chose what to do, and that is to stay with SM..
Hey you!!! Nice to meet you… LOL!!!
@JYJfanboy
HAHAHA I thought you finally ponied up and got yourself a gravitar LOLOL! and I was going to tease you mercilessly about how it’s not the allblacks logo MWAHAHAH!
@miranda
HAHAHA… it’s nice to see another fanboy around though. And now that you’ve mentioned it, I actually have an All Blacks pic that I want as my avatar but I’m debating if I should use it since it’s a bit scary to look at (a man’s face with tattoo) hahahha
Yes, it’s very nice to see more of you guys around 😀
DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT! I WANNA SEE!
=P I should just email you the silverferm tattoo i have, then no one can complain HAHAHAH!
(oh i have it uploaded on twitter already doh i forgot LOL! http://yfrog.com/kku12fmj)
Seriously though, I WANNA SEE THE PIC!
~runs off to start the next twittion~ 😉
HAHAHA… Ok you’ll see it soon. I like your tattoo by the way…
YAY awesome! Can’t wait to see it 😀
haha i thought you might like it. me and hubby have a matching set on our left shoulders. though of course his is about three times the size of mine LOL! 😉
JYJfanboy! *high five*
Do you have twitter? I want to talk with fellow fanboys! ^_^
@요하임 (@Jaejoongfanboy)
HEY THERE! Welcome!
Aren’t you the JYJ FANBOY from the Berlin Concert in Germany?
I remember seeing some photos of you and you wrote a really wonderful fan account, right?
Was that you?
Nice to see you! ENJOY 😉
@Eccho, I do understand where you coming from and try to see that the remaining tvxq boys may also have it bad. But you know in life, there comes a time when we need to make choices as wrong and hard they may be. Even Sophie had to make a choice – in Sophie’s Choice movie, and that was a tremendously horrifying choice to make, choice of life and death for her children. So, maybe on some levels, JYJ and HM made some life and death choices, too. JYJ chose a life of growth as men, artists, entertainers, friends, lovers, etc over a idol career with a due date that possible lead them to obliviance. And that is If they even managed to reach their due by not dying in the process from being overworked, undeveloped, unnourished, and so on. Who knows what HM life and death reasoning for staying was; they stayed…because it seems that it works for them, and is nothing wrong with that. However, I don’t believe they are not aware of what their hyungs and dongsaeng have been going through for the last two years.
@Eccho
Each and every member made their choice and has forever afterwards, DEFENDED their choice. So why do you feel bad for Homin? They CHOSE to be exactly where they are. They were all adult men when they evaluated the situation and made their decision. That’s life. We all do that, every one of us. And each of us lives with the consequences of our decisions. WHY should Homin be somehow singled out of the rest of humanity and excused?
True. It was homin’s decision to stay. Am sure there were a lot of persuasion on both sides but in the end, they decided to stay with sm. We cannot be forever making excuses for homin for staying with sme. They are exactly where they want to be. Just recently, I saw a picture of changmin with sm’s lee su man and other sme people posted online after they supposedly had dinner. It would seem obvious that he’s quite comfortable that he decided to stay. Is he happy? I don’t know. Since homin don’t have twitters or facebook, they have less interaction with their fans. If you are changmin and you see JYJ’s activities and achievements and their new houses and cars and the charity work they do, what would you feel?
Anyway, I hope that homin truly feels that they made the right choice and are happy where they are. A life full of regret or a life filled with always defending the choice you made is not a good life at all. I love TVXQ5 and their music. But the homin who decided to continue using TVXQ’s name is a group that is very alien to me. I don’t know these two boys anymore. The yunho and changmin I knew from TVXQ5 are totally different from the persons using my beloved TVXQ’s name. I don’t have ill feelings for them, I just don’t respect them or like them at this point.
“I love TVXQ5 and their music. But the homin who decided to continue using TVXQ’s name is a group that is very alien to me. I don’t know these two boys anymore. The yunho and changmin I knew from TVXQ5 are totally different from the persons using my beloved TVXQ’s name. I don’t have ill feelings for them, I just don’t respect them or like them at this point.”
You just took the words out of my mouth… As I repeated say, I’m still an OT5 fan but what I currently feel is summarize by your statement above, well maybe not to a point of not liking Homin— rather I feel indifferent, not caring towards the two.
WORD!
@teya
Totally agree with you.If the 2 members had chosen other than TVXQ to continue,I would respect them more.They are not TVXQ without JYJ.
@lilibaiyu
And again.. the need to “educate”. If only there was a bouncer at that front door. 😉
but…homin is doing really good in japan!!!
sorry but reading your comment, i hafta … LOL (in the same way I LOL at so-called success or jpop domination of kpop groups in jp) XDDDD
@Eccho
@chewywonbin
Don’t feel bad, because You cannot help the people who don’t want freedom. That was HoMin’s choice.
No guts no glory. The fact of life is you take responsibility for your own life. Every choice has its consequences. Don’t blame other for your decision.
That why it is called hard choices. When faced with unfairness, you may want to choose the universal laws.
It is the law of sow and leap, cause and effect, your heart will guide you, but if you let other people take care of and spoon feed you after you turn 21, there is a price to be paid and that is your freedom.
Let’s just repect whatever choices they have made, JYJ and HM… both teams are doing very well, so no need to be sad, especially for HM who has SME behind… that’s why they got busy schedule and more chances in broadcasting than their brothers…
And don’t simply pick a side if you love them all, follow your heart …
@Maggie Deng Hai Ying
You are one brave soul to be posting this madness here again. I’ve seen you here before and I see you have returned again Spouting your love for Homin.
How wonderful Homin is doing because “they have busy schedules and more chances in broadcasting” opportunities ALL THANKS TO the mighty SME?
You are kidding right? Homin has MORE CHANCES you say? And why do you think that is? So what JYJ is just unlucky? Unlucky not to have SME behind them like HOMIN?
Please take your HOMIN SME Love someplace else.
Just chill… I don’t think @Maggie was really “spreading” Homin love. She was just responding to @Eccho’s post regarding feeling sorry for Homin. @Maggie was just saying that fans should not feel sorry for Homin since they are doing good as it is and have the advantage of appearing in broadcast programs.
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I do not know how to answer so many ??? well, just leave it to yourself….
Today is a happy day as we have both youtube and facebook channel for JYJ, so i will end up with happiness..
@Maggie Deng Hai Ying
I followed my heart which takes me all the to JYJ!You know why,because they are more talented,without them
TVXQ is just a name.SM and the 2 formal members made a huge mistake to use TVXQ5’s fame.Take that title off would be right thing to do.Damage is done,they show no mercy when they talk bad about JYJ in public show.So what kind of heart do you have?As mean as SM and the 2?
Hey there…. I’m also a DB5K like you and I do understand how you feel about the two. But as you’ve already read from the comments above, don’t feel sad for Homin— they made their choice and they have to lived with it, for better or worst. We can always defend Homin why they decided to stay with SM but ultimately Homin and their respective families made the decision to stay and whatever the outcome may be, they just need to SUCK IT UP!!!
Frankly, I think many DB5K fans feel sad not because they are concern about the treatment Homin receives from SM but rather it stemmed from fans’ selfish longing to see DB5K together, may it be under SM or not.
i like HoMin but i think it was their decision to stay with SM…if SM dont pay attention to them, if SM dont pay them enough…it was their choice.
JYJ chose FREEDOM…HoMin dont…thats all.
@Eccho
Homin is smiling
JYJ is smiling
They are happy the way they are
Homin chose SM.
JYJ chose Freedom.
They are HAPPILY SEPARATED. PERIOD.
Cheers.
murasaki
WOWOWOOWW I’m getting all excited now!!! this professor did his homework!!! BRAVO!!!! I’m saying prayers for his guy, cuz i don’t put anything past SME, if U know what i mean!!! SARANGHAE JYJ!!! ^_~
I’m not a cassie, because I came to know about JYJ/DB5K during the SKK Scandal period so I’m not included in this crowd. Although, I’m a JYJ fan I don’t have anything against the other 2 members.
After reading this post, I have to say that to all the “Cassie” who chose to continue to support and/or side w/ JYJ….those are the smarter fans.” I’m really proud to be in this JYJ fandom, because it doesn’t take a genius to figure what’s consider wrong doing.
@chewywonbin
>>>After reading this post, I have to say that to all the “Cassie” who chose to continue to support and/or side w/ JYJ….those are the smarter fans.”<<< correct me if i'm wrong but in a run-around way, you mean those, Cassies who STILL supports HM are NOT smart, right?
Call me stupid then, I'm a Cassie, I'm an OT5, I'm a JYJer and I STILL support HM (and you need NOT know the reasons!)…but believe me, in this JYJ home, there are plenty of Cassies and from where i came from? there lots of us…
My respect and gratitude to the admins and the family inhabiting this site, is way up in heaven and over …for the the last several months i never ever behaved like a spoiled OT5 or a bitchy Cassie when i am in this place..i never promote, update, spazz, fangirl or convert any JYJers to like HM too…when i am in here, i am a JYJer and i know HM has no place here, .proper things in its proper place and proper place for and with the proper things..
i'm not defending HM here, i won't even start since your statement is directed not towards them but towards the Cassies who still support them..blah blah..
.but Jesus Holy Christ!!! calling Cassies who still support these two stupid, albeit indirectly..wow! that me rearranged my eyebrows into one line and pissed me no end…!!
****i am NOT coherent, i know, but note this, i am so PISSED off with that tactless comment of yours…
*runs off to UNSTIPIDIFY myself…(no, there is no such word..but what the heck, i'm stupid that way)
@mizzyjyj501
” to all the “Cassie” who chose to continue to support and/or side w/ JYJ….those are the smarter fans.”
I don’t think @chewywonbin is implying that OT5 fans are STUPID, she only said “smarter” . I think you have no reason to be angry since you said that you’re an OT5 and a JYJer so therefore you belong to her ” SMARTER FANS” the ones who ” CONTINUE TO SUPPORT AND/OR SIDE W/ JYJ” .
Relax, nobody is calling anybody stupid.
i’m more of a JYJ fan now. i follow their activities more than HM’s.
i just want to say that, like you, i also support HoMin right now, one of the reasons is i still like some of the songs they release nowadays. but i don’t follow them much.
i don’t know why i replied to your comment, may be its because i kind of agree with you, in a way. that comment of @chewywonbin kinda put me off.
I fully support JYJ in leaving SM, i swear, but calling the fans that stayed by JYJ’s side “smarter” is just… i think kinda harsh.
*argh, i’m not good at explaining things.
*kinda harsh for fans that still support HoMin.
” I’m really proud to be in this JYJ fandom, because it doesn’t take a genius to figure what’s consider wrong doing.”
A+++
This explains a lot on the Korean fandom. I hope the international OT5 fans acknowledge this, on why JYJ fandom was born and so protective of the boys.
And it kind of make me smile that the author also acknowledge the JYJ is more successful. Hope it will shut up those who must not be named.
Thank you very much for translating this. There are so many well-thought out, good points here; I can’t wait to read the next part and discuss it. I’ll definitely be saving all of these articles.
yes, in korea its like that. most of the fandoom stand with JYJ in korea. but in japan. sighhh, homin still very strong. japan fans love the name tohoshinki than the members. and there are so many jyj anites in japan.
hi hana, want to ask, are you living in japan? is that the real situation right now?
im not living in japan, and my english is not good so i cant explain enough T___T. but i follow them since DBSK5 and i follow their situation very close. because japan fans dont know much anout the jyj case. they dont have enough info so, bigeast somehow still dont understand the reason jyj sueSM. and Hotels girls use this to brainwashed bigeast. there are still fans who love jyj but most of them are individual fans of jae, chun, su. the Ot5 fans is somehow lean toward homin=tohoshinki right now more
fyi,
it’s not they only support homin, fans in japan are loyal n strong, they support both side. see.. when jyj had concert in japan? they were so many old fans attended.
many of bigeast who do not know the details about this issue..
Hm…My cousin just comeback from studies 4 years from Japan. She’s 5thsk fans. So i asked her from her view about 5thsk fandom situation there. From what she said, i got a litle pict/view what happen in 5thsk fandom in Japan..JYJ still strong as much as 2shinki there. 5Tohoshinki fans still really loyal to them…Whose fans do you think that come to JYJ ibraki concert> 40000 (well add for 2 day concert 80000) before? There’s a reason why we saw 2shinki is like big than JYJ there. 1. They just launch the new Japanese album . 2. The big publicities that AVEx& SM create for them there…As for anties…Yes there is but…even for Homin too… i think from her story both of them have equal anties fans.. So it’s fair… 3. Some said ‘bigeast’ didnt know about this issues…Well according to her, it’s not they ‘didn’t know’ it’s more like they choice to be silent (It’s Internet/twitter century/era yo) . It’s just like they take whatever offer to them since they missed and support the 5 members. For now, they got 2shinki, so they’ll lean more to 2shinki side…As for JYJ they show their support by going to the concert>>>like ‘Ibaraki Concert’ ( This is a concert without promotion in Japan and surprisely the attendance that come more than expected)….So lets see what happen if JYJ have their Japanese album…^^…
p/s: This is just my point of view based on my cousin stories/experience being there.
The major difference in Japan is that Bigeast is an official fanclub run by Avex, which is not the case anywhere else in the world. Cassiopeia started out as an official fanclub run by SME, but with the internet blogs, it became an independent internet based fandom. Other countries are as we know loosely organized fansites based upon language. This made it much easier to control the fans in Japan than other places. The main source of information was through Bigeast. They had a strong membership with advantages for joining. Of course, Japanese have the internet as well, but by nature, Japanese like to do things as a group rather than as individuals, so they mostly stuck with Bigeast. When Avex published all their lies about JYJ, and made it sound that by supporting “Tohoshinki” they were working to bring JYJ back to the 5, many fans believed that.
Avex’s open blocking of the Charity Concert in Japan must have been an eye opener for many fans in Japan. I am just guessing on this point, but it was the first time Avex had to come out and admit that they were blocking JYJ.
“japan fans love the name tohoshinki”
This is so true. Sometimes i feel like japanese fans felt in love with the name..and not with the persons….idk is just my feeling -_-
“we can judge that JYJ are far more successful.” I really love this statement!!!
“But the strange thing is that JYJ are on the roll now. Instead, the two members of TVXQ who received full support from SM can’t be active vigorously like JYJ are. The fans of [5-membered] TVXQ in the past also support JYJ’s activities overwhelmingly. If we compare activities of the 3 JYJ members with that of the 2 TVXQ members (concerts, showcases, albums, CF, modeling, internet searching, etc.), we can judge that JYJ are far more successful. Why did this happen?”
yeah, why ? i wonder why, but not really expecting answer since everyone knows why, LOL !
on the other hand, i love this 2nd part so much, it’s so enjoyable to read, been smiling a lot reading it. I LOVE JYJ FANS !
and thank you hannah for translation and @doctorjaee for editing ^^
thanks for the translation guys! very glad to have this!
“In the closing ceremony of ‘IAAF World Championships Daegu’, JYJ were able to appear on KBS because that program was not under the jurisdiction of KBS’s Entertainment Department.”
I found this comment very very interesting…. the implication being that it is not the entire station over which SM has influence, but just one area/department (which kinda sorta maybe makes sense lol!)
Well, I expect that the news/sports departments can’t be bothered with whether SM idols will boycott their shows or not as these idols are irrelevant to them.
Yes, Drama and Variety are the the two biggest sections in a TV station. I read from a Korean reporter that last year when JYJ performed in the KBS Award Presentation; the Drama section had fought so hard and insisted to have JYJ singing the OST in the show, while the Variety section tried so hard to interfere, “If you insist to use JYJ, would you be responsible if we from now on had no guests for variety shows?” Since the Drama section was in charge of the Award Presentation, it ended up JYJ could appear that night = =
wow i never knew such thing exist… 😦
thanks for sharing!
im cassie.. and actualy im sad when i have to choose between them. but JYJ music got my ears alot than HoMin music. if u have a time to see all that old video of DBSK u maybe will know, why is so hard to choose..
A+
honestly, when I listen to JYJ, it’s like listening to TVXQ5 because I’ve realized that the prominent voices in TVXQ5 are JYJ. I am not discounting homin’s voice in TVXQ but when you listen to TVXQ, the prominent sound would either be jae or junsu. Then one would quickly identify to yuchun’s voice because of it’s husky texture. Well, I can identify changmin’s voice once he hits the high notes. So when I listen to a playlist of TVXQ5 and JYJ, it’s like am listening to just one group. 😛
I feel the same way. To me JYJ’s sound is somewhat similar to what it uses to be when it was TVXQ5.
I’ve heard some of TVXQ2 Japanese songs and Korean and it just doesn’t sound the same, apart from the obvious that there are 3 voices missing, its just different. It doesn’t really appeal to me like JyJs music does. JyJs music is very special because it’s songs written by the members, their thoughts, things they want to convey to their fans, it makes it more special and unique, more personal.
LMAO My thoughts exactly. My friend and I talked about this a while ago and JYJ were the dominant voices in TVXQ and when I listen to them I feel like I’m hearing the same voices, just with more heart. Besides that I’m 100% rooting for these guys. =)
hmmpp.. i used to be listening their accapella or japanesse ballad. and all i can say is, u can exactly point whose voice it is..
but you know why my ava its Chunface?? yes.. his voice always got my ears first!! hehehehehe.
afterall, JYJ voices always got my ears. thats why i decided to become their bias, but when i saw an article about 2VXQ i cant help myself to not read that.. *sigh*
I was a Cassie. I love Yunho and Changmin. I have loved them since 2004 and I still do until now. Whenever I’m bored I would pick a random CD/DVD from my DBSK collection and watch or listen to it all day. Right now on my iTunes Tea for Two is playing. Sometimes I find myself tearing up because I miss those 2 boys too much.
I miss them, because I cannot see them anymore. The 2 people that make up the current TVXQ are complete strangers to me.
Anyway, no one can pressure you to choose if your heart doesn’t want to. I just wanted to make a point that there might be more ex-Cassies in here than you think.
high five!! now Yunho& Changmin personality its different from when they’re still 5.. idk how to describe it, both of them seems “to cold” to be real. while in the other hand ,J YJ personality its still same. dorky as always.. and when i see Soulmate bullying Junsu, i wish changmin with them too.. Changmin is the person who always loud everytime Junsu around him. i miss them all..
typo: i mean laugh.. not loud.
I think I know how to describe how YHCM have become so different now, but wouldn’t that be considered ‘spazzing’ about them two? ^^
It’s not important anyway. JYJ have also changed – and quite dramatically at that – but I understand their development and maturation rendered imperative by the circumstances. I can still relate them back to the old personalities I had already familiarized myself with.
I miss DBSK5 not because I have some kind of fascination with the ‘image’ of them 5 being together or because I want to have the ‘old JYJ’ back, since to me they have never gone.
i remember, there’s this vid of HoMin that i couldn’t finish watching. they’re just so stiff nowadays.
Hi, im a Cassie too. I know how u feel… at first it was hard for me to choose…but in the end…me heart chose JYJ. I still love DB5K…. but i also love JYJ. For me its not hard to choose anymore because i realized that JYJ and DB5K are two completely different things, i learned to love both of them, with the same passion. But now that DB5K doesnt exist …my full support its with JYJ.
TVXQ5 still exists in our memories .. how I wish homin had used a different name to re-launch themselves, then it would have been easier to support JYJ and homin. Then we will just have TVXQ as a good memory to everyone. And it won’t hurt as much when you hear just two people celebrating the supposedly 8th anniversary of TVXQ5.
Yes, You ‘ve just said what I want to say.SM and the 2 made wrong choice to use old fame of TVXQ.
@Putrihs
I am not a Cassie and NEVER will be. When I first came to sit up and know about JYJ, thanks to 2VXQ, I watched almost all or maybe all TVXQ5’s vids + YJ vids. I admited, it was lovely but maybe due to my character and I had the similar experiences as JYJ (not with the drama and lawsuites), I know what/who is right and what/who is wrong. I know I will definitely support JYJ in their fight.
A big thank you for the hard work in translation. Great article and can’t wait for the part3…
its common sense that fans like the ppl in the band NOT the band name or how they look on the outside i started to like JYJ because of their music, their voice not how they looked like, even though i dont understand korean or japanese. I love music and thats it……anyways thank you admins and love yoou jyj family…
Thanks to you admin for translating this paper! Nomu gomawo..
Thanks also for Professor Lee DongYeon for the research and article! :knee:
Knowing how dedicated JYJ’s fans were,, was really amazed me! I don’t think we can find any other fanbase in this world that has super massive loyalty, love, and dedication for their favorite musician! You’re all DAEBAK..!
Long Live JYJ! Long Live JYJ’s fans! Mansee..
Shame on you SM!
thank you so much… kamsahamida!!
I hope japan fans more aware for this issue.. that they should not be used by SM..
but taking side is everyone decision.. I hope 2012 will be more shining year for JYJ… ^__^
Yes, everyone should bear the responsibility of their own choice, and they will rationalize what they have chosen, so no worries for Homin, I believe they are perfectly fine. But I am grateful and really respect JYJ, they really have the guts. Can’t imagine how they get through those tough days, it is a miracle they can sustain or even excel from their old days. When I watched the Come On Over DVD and heard Yuchun said he had been snowboarding the 6-7th time this winter, I feel so happy for him! He’s been treated like a human now, he has his own life now. He also said in an interview that it is the first time he has a feeling that “This is my own career”, in the past with SM it was just year after year rushing for schedule.
Justice is important. Why ppl choose to support JYJ? It is because we are facing injustice all the time as well, but not many of us have the guts to stand out and confront the situation. JYJ are heroes!
i totally agree with you.
can i cry?? am already crying…
all those hard days we all behind all 5 of em… all the heart breaking moments and tears [i’m a cassie since dbsk debut day]
then the need to choose side [i choose jyj…instead of homin but i still keep on update news of activites of homin]
all the support we gave…we sign the petetion…we donate money for the boys
all of this coz we love the boys…we want them to know they’re not alone, that we’re here supporting u..
and the boys acknowledge it T.T
and here comes a professor acknowledged it too..
i cant T.T
hope 2012 brings more luck and laughter to all of us
im crying too.. its okay.. :’)
Will read later XD
I hope this article is translated into Japanese so that Japanese fans can get what the real deal is. Too bad, they can only read what antis diligently put it up to gain supporters. Even Japanese media gain info from those antis rather than the real information as it is.
“..the legitimate reason for which 3 people have filed the lawsuit was distorted into the greed for personal business by SM and also by statements released by the remaining 2 DBSK members which included expressions of blame [towards JYJ].”
The thing I like about JYJ incident is that, it’s like a revolution for JYJ fans to support them in any way they can. Every little thing seems like JYJ and fans have to go through an uphill and dangerous road. There is not a moment we can sit back and relax. Antis laugh at us as we are ferocious, likely to jump at so’s throat every single time something happens. Oh well, learn to live like this, we have to fight for everything.
If I have to choose which part of the article I like best, I’ll have to copy and paste the whole article since I can’t decide which part is the best…
I guess we have some DB5K fans here, just like me, that feels bad for Homin specially after reading the article above. My take on this is that it’s TOO LATE to feel sorry for them… I’m not about to spam about HM but fans always wonder why Homin stayed with SM and why didn’t join JYJ in the lawsuit. My theory is that Homin might not be happy with SM’s management style but they have to stick with it because of so many reason. One reason I can think of is it’s because of what their respectively families wants and we know how Asians respect the decisions of the elders, whatever your age may be. Westerners may argue that they are grown men capable of making decision on their own but truthfully, Homin being in their early 20s are still viewed as kids. I’ll even say that it’s considered as the highest form of disrespect if a son/daughter made a major decision without the consent of their parents (e.i marriage or career choice). Another reason, I believe, is YH’s personality— it was already established during the DB5K days that YH will actually choose friends and family over a girlfriend, in this case, friends and family over his relationship with JYJ (YH is best buddies with Donghae and HeeChul of Suju). Now for the parents of Homin, why did they made the decision to let their sons stay with SM? I would say it’s a VERY CALCULATED MOVE thinking that Homin will be better off staying with SM than embarking a career on their own. YH’s father thought that DB5K’s career won’t survive without the backing of a big talent agency and basing only on the article above I would say he’s in for a rude awakening. YH’s father made a business decision with a calculate move that, in the end, didn’t played out as he’d expected. So as for Homin, all I can say is that SH*T HAPPENS and they have their parents and themselves to blame for that but from what I see they’re both perfectly happy and content right now so I don’t have to worry about them.
I actually worry more about JYJ but since they have supportive families that’s ready to back them up and fans to lift them up, I know their future is bright and far reaching…
Thank you. How many times have I watched dramas and shook my in frustration as full grown adults with college degrees and careers let their parents control their finances, their housing, and their access to their cars? Is there no such thing as respectfully disagreeing in Korea?
I also feel that many people look at their decision from a Western, or at least non-Korean perspective. What JYJ did is something that is common in the US, but is just not done in Korea. What they consider loyalty, we would consider foolishly *blind* loyalty, but that’s just the way things are there.
So for Korea, what JYJ did is revolutionary. Historically speaking, revolutions have always been begun by a few brave people who think differently than the norm. How can I blame people for not being revolutionary?
Asian culture, in general, still respect the authority of the elders. That’s why if you observe, Asians are very particular of the honorifics used when calling for someone older. I’m not sure in Korea but in many Asian cultures, disagreeing with your parents or your elders could lead to deaths, being disowned by your family, dis-inheritance or abandonment. So if family approval is one of Homin’s reason for not joining JYJ in their lawsuit against SM, how could I hate them? I only feel indifference towards them, a ‘whatever’ attitude. I agree also on what you said that JYJ’s actions were revolutionary and now many young idols are benefiting for a cause they are still fighting to win. As I said we have to be thankful that JYJ have families that support them in them in whatever decisions they make…
Honestly, I feel a lot of artists are cheering silently beyond JYJ. Their struggle against such a big and untouchable company who can totally crush someone’s career takes a lot of courage. I somehow feel that it gives hope as well as set precedents that artists can hold on to when faced with unfair labor practices. 🙂
yep! agree 100%.. mostly in asian culture like that.
You know what I like abt your whole comment?
…”SH*T HAPPENS”!!!
Spot On! 😀
Well, I am an Asian though not a Korean, but from what I have read and heard so far, it is not that Korean think about JYJ betrayed SM and that bring them disgrace. On the contrary, people support JYJ (I mean the general public) people understand how mean SM is for a long long time, and before JYJ sue SM, there were continuous artist or singer suicide incidents which had already drawn the public’s attention on how the feudal Korea entertainment industry. The viewpoint of westerners and Aisan on the JYJ incident are actually quite close I can say.
But I do agree about the family impact on making big decisions, even when we are adults.
@naicha
My knowledge about JYJ’s situation in Korea is slightly different from you. I have the impression that the general public still doesn’t know the full extent of the injustices being done towards JYJ. It’s only recently that broadcast stations are featuring it their news broadcast when in fact all of JYJ fans and even antis have already known it for a long while. Also, I’m actually not referring to the perception of the Korean public and Western point of view in regards to JYJ incident. I was actually just making some assumptions why Homin didn’t join JYJ in their battle with SM— that’s just my introduction why we should not feel sorry for them, in response to comments above.
exactly my thoughts….
Spot on!
@ JYJFANBOY
So if parents tell you go kill someone,do you still follow the order?Come on.Take responsibilly when you open your mouth to trash living and working together brothers.Good opinions are there to listen,but bad ones should be ignored.These 2 are in their adult life now.Have you ever heard JYJ talking badly about the 2?Just like the 2 can choose to stay or to listen who they want to listen,we can choose after their action.
this article is very insightful indeed! enjoyed reading it and the following quotes are love.
“To the fandom, the important thing is not TVXQ’s name itself but what defined TVXQ. JYJ is what helped define TVXQ and now they have also become the name of truth. Fans believe that, even though they can’t hold the name of TVXQ, they will continue the righteous way to become musicians under the name of JYJ.”
these words are simply beautiful ..
SM, the other big entertainment companies and their cronies remind me of how Confucian values were taken only at face value and distorted to make the commoners toe the line to serve the minority privileged classes in olden China.
“But the strange thing is that JYJ are on the roll now.” 😎
that is all.
“To the fandom, the important thing is not TVXQ’s name itself but what defined TVXQ.”
“TVXQ’s fandom chose justice instead of the name.”
AMEN to this.
Im a DB5K fan, im proud to say it, but at the end, my love for the members, my love for music…and justice…were more important than a name. So yeah….at the end…its JYJ.
*like*
yup.. so agree!!! me too was a DB5K fan and i was a bit pissed off when the 2 continue using the name which should have been used for the 5 of them.. but right now, i don’t really care whether they use the name or not as i see no point in just keeping the name… fans know better that who we should go for… we will continue to support where justice stands and that’s also where JYJ is standing right now.. love them, love their music, love their talent, love their character!!!
i am a db5k fan too.
and like you said the music that the group produces is more important! love JYJ’s music.
: Lee DongYeon couldn’t have said it better… Totally agree to everything he has written!!
i love this article ~ thanks for the translation ~ JYJ FTW 🙂
Thank you so much for translating this article, admin! You’re Dae To The Bak!! <333
Well, this theory of facts, need an urgent action from SK's entertainment institution.
Hope it would comes true asap.
I choose JYJ from the start and never regret my decision because I always knew, I choose justice.
“To fandom, production companies are a necessary evil, an inconvenient truth. For the success of their favorite stars, a powerful production company is needed but they don’t want the production company to earn big money from their financial investment and to place the stars under strong control.”
Love the rest of this article, but this part seems to be a justification for SME making so much money while the artists made little. This part completely misses the point from my point of view. I think Lee Soo Man should be very rich for the work he has done, but so should the artists. If he can’t structure his company in such a way to provide for the artists who are generating his wealth, he has no business training teenage boys and girls to work for him. In the last two years I have watched all SME’s tricky manipulation of the truth. I can only imagine what their bookkeeping looks like. No way the artists will receive fair treatment. He seems no different from the dictators of this world who steal from their people and live the high life themselves.
Thank you! When I read that part I was like making money is a bad thing? How? The problem isn’t that SME is making lots of money. That is what a business is for! What is wrong is that SME keeps most of it for itself after working young teenage kids to exhaustion and parcels out only a bit for the artists. Doesn’t matter if that “bit’ is 80 million won, it is still a pathetic share of the hundred millions more the company is making and keeping for the businessmen/shareholders only.
Those kids work for their pay and therefore their pay has to be representative of their hard work. LSM didn’t give these kids a job out of the kindness of his heart. He chose them because he knew they had what it took to make it. They worked their asses off. It was a business transaction. You pay what you owe to people. That is why I don’t understand this “family” bullshit. It is clearly a confucian value twisted and taken to the extreme by an equally twisted man.
So when it comes to SME’s money that has to be respected but when it comes to the idols they can “wait for it”, they should be honored that they were given a shot and trained (which the idols pay for) in the first place. Can’t believe people still defend this.
@Lisa
@Mia2
Hi5’s both of you. I would have no problem with SM making money off of it’s idols, IF it was a fair deal, with the idols getting their fair share of the money they make. (& not to mention fair contracts too.)
This is what pissed me off the most during the whole lawsuit debacle: fans that blantantly stood up and declared that they will support HoMin because HoMin is “protecting the DBSK name”. Really? For real? REALLY? R-E-A-L-LY?!!! U got to be kidding me!!! A name does not make a person. Rather, the person gives value to the name. So if you want to hold on to the value/worth/riches/whatever, why don’t you “protect” the individual people that gave value to the name.
I could change my name from “Kim Sam Soon” to “Kim Hye Jin” and I will still be the same person I was with either name, so far as I don’t change my character and my surroundings. I could be called “Prince” and still be living in a cardboard box if I don’t have a “dime”. I wouldn’t be so pissed off if they’d said they’re supporting HM because they love them. That would bave been fine because love can blind us to the truth. Love can make a fool of anybody.
But how can they tell me it is much more important to protect the name than to protect people/justice/human rights. Telling me to support you because “you’re protecting the name” is like calling me STUPID. And that is what HoMin did; they came out and called me STUPID. I don’t take kindly to being called STUPID. Just saying.
hahaha, took the words right out of my mouth .. when I heard about this as homin’s reason for continuing the TVXQ name, I was like protect what? How can one protect a name when three is gone? Some fans were even saying, JYJ left homin, so homin have the right to continue using the TVXQ name. Errr .. it’s not a matter of who left and who stayed, it’s a matter of who comprises the name. In the early years, when British pop group Duran Duran temporarily split, two members formed The Power Station with two different musicians while the other 3 took the name Arcadia when promoting themselves as 3. Not one side took the name Duran Duran when during that time, Duran Duran was pretty well known pop icons.
I just read the other day that two members of Shinwa wanted to do a performance and they named themselves The Birds and not Shinwa. It doesn’t take a PhD to figure these things out. Common sense will do the trick.
LOL! *hugs you hard*
The hypocrisy too! When they speak (homin stans) about JYJ and the DBSK name or rather if it was right of Homin to use the DBSK name they come up with all these scenarios. Spice Girls, Destiny’s Child etc……when a member left the group just replaced them and continued on with their original name. When it comes to JYJ the DBSK name continues but the 3 members can be replaceable. OH!!! BUT DON’T YOU DARE INSINUATE THAT HOMIN ARE REPLACEABLE AS WELL! LOL! I made that little mistake when I responded to someone who made that “rightful declaration”. I told her that since all 5 worked to launch DBSK and made it what it is today….or well used to to be…well wouldn’t that put Homin in the same boat? Replaceable by SME and equally incapable of claiming DBSK without the other three members? Since ALL FIVE make DBSK not 2 or 3.
She (I’m thinking it was a she) flipped out! She called me an idiot and that I clearly was a “JYJ loving slut” (trololol!!!) and how could I not understand that Homin are the “heart and soul” of DBSK. I replied “maybe they are heart and soul to you but that doesn’t replace the fact that JYJ did their fair share. A quick look-up of the old DBSK on youtube can tell you that.” She replied that KYHD and Tone were “near-perfect” albums that “frankly” the old DBSK albums had one or two good songs and the rest were just fillers. She bashed “The Beginning” and admited that she didn’t listen to “In Heaven” but that she was sure it was over-hyped garbage as well. I replied that I couldn’t change her mind on musical taste but that by no means did that excuse her in trying to cover up JYJ’s YEARS of hard work just because she didn’t like them and that Homin had no excuse either in using JYJ’s departure as an excuse to claim the name and all the years of work and glory that came from ALL FIVE’s hard work and just go on as if was just the two of them that made DBSK famous in the first place.
I told her that if she ever thought JYJ was riding off DBSK that it was x10000 so for TVXQ-homin. She just replied, “lol whatever they left and yunho and changmin stayed so they keep everything!” It was…interesting to say the least.
That’s why i don’t hang out in homin sites, the logic of their fans are flawed which is quite odd really. I can’t seem to get where they get their reasoning powers. Even to a mere observer, it doesn’t add up.
Homin as the heart and soul of TVXQ? You have got to be kidding me. We were just discussing earlier how it feels that when you have JYJ and TVXQ songs on a playlist, it feels that it’s just one group singing. It’s simply because the more prominent voices in TVXQ were JYJ.
Another thought occurred to me. Let’s turn things around. JYJ stayed and homin left. Will sme be bothered by it? What are the chances that sme will crush homin or will sm just let them be because it was JYJ who stayed? I remember a friend of mine who’s very outspoken. She said, “What a fail for sme, the lesser TVXQ decided to stay.” Ouch for homin. 😛
I just finished posting my thoughts on homin before I saw your post, it’s somewhere below these posts. It pretty much sums up my impression on homin.
Do yourself a favor and stop hanging out on extremely homin sites. Flawed logic + anxiety (on when sme will have homin fade away) + envy (over what JYJ has achieved) + always being defensive + cunning minds always concocting fishy stories to always put their idols in good light = unreasonably violent individuals
We’re happy here at jyj3, let’s just focus on all our attention on our boys. 🙂
i didn’t even know that HoMin has a site.. are they still using old dbsk site? or HoMin make a new one? everytime i visit old dbsk site, the page contains only Yunjae and Yunjae shipper. which i hate the most.. that’s why i never visited anymore.
@teya
I know girl! It wasn’t even my intention but dammit she kept making it sound as if JYJ did absolutely nothing. Heck let’s be honest, in the singing department, JYJ did far more! Really….in everything but oh well. I actually found the conversation amusing not really all that infuriating. JYJ will persevere and become better and better as the years pass…Homin will keep going on with their lives and fans like her will end up miserable and/or alone.
“Spice Girls, Destiny’s Child etc……when a member left the group just replaced them and continued on with their original name. ”
No offense to those stans, but they have their examples completely backwards. XD
Beyonce and Kelly were Destiny’s Child long before the other 2 girls joined (they grew up singing together with the goal of being a duo and Beyonce’s dad only added the other 2 to help emphasize their -B&K-vocals and raise their popularity) and that was why they could keep the name when those 2 girls left. It was only when Beyonce left yrs later that the other 2 (Michelle&Kelly) stopped using the name and went their separate ways because it wasn’t DC without her or Kelly, or Michelle.
It’s the same with Spice Girls and even the Backstreet Boys(although Brian joined last, he was the lead singer and helped to make backstreet boys what they were and are today). Of course bsb asked Kevin if he didn’t mind them using the name and they were prepared to use a different one if he didn’t give his blessings to them.
On the other hand, all of the members of db5k helped to shape the group we remember so well so it isn’t as simple as having three leave and two carry the names by themselves. Each one is invested in the infamous tvxq. It’s like having a Jackson 5 with five Michael Jacksons. lol
p.s.
Sorry for the long essay about American artists. lol XD
@natsukosam Brilliant examples, I have to add Tears for Fears, when Curt Smith went solo, the rest of the band still used TFF because MAJORITY was in the band and they got Curt’s blessing to continue with the name. They reunited again after that and had no problems using the name Tears for Fears again.
Seriously, I pity homin for doing this to themselves and subjecting their fans to always defending them with the continued use of the TVXQ name. It would seem that I was wrong in thinking that sme did little to advertise them as one post I read stated that in JP, homin’s activities were widely advertised. So, if they did that, then re-launching homin with another name wouldn’t have been a problem. While sme is milking the tvxq name for what it’s worth, homin is slowly sinking into a place where they can’t hold their pride and dignity. It won’t be long before these two get tired of the following:
1. trying to prove that they made the right choice
2. trying to stand out from the shadow of the what was once great TVXQ5
3. trying not to think of how things would have been if they left with JYJ
4. trying to assert themselves in the sme system and make sure that homin is not forgotten once new groups were launched and of course
5. try to fight the tinge of envy every time they would see JYJ basking in their freedom.
That would be a tiring life….
THIS!!! <333
"A name does not make a person. Rather, the person gives value to the name. So if you want to hold on to the value/worth/riches/whatever, why don’t you “protect” the individual people that gave value to the name"
Yeah, totally agree with this comment.
Like what's Shakespeare's said "What's the meaning of name?"
Your comments is exactly what I have in mind.
As the "Protector" I don't think Stayshinki doing the job boldly, they quality is much decrease from what DB5K I knew once before. The music, the style, the attitude… They're not protecting, they're just stay the same.
I'm have no interest on TVXQ now, fin.
What’s in a name that which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet?! Shakespeare. And that’s JYJ for us.
@jra
That was my exact same thought too!
& it’s interesting to note how many people are saying that in spite of keeping the name TVXQ, Homin themselves as people have changed…
@LoveUnchanged
Love what you wrote especially this:
“But how can they tell me it is much more important to protect the name than to protect people/justice/human rights. Telling me to support you because “you’re protecting the name” is like calling me STUPID. And that is what HoMin did; they came out and called me STUPID. I don’t take kindly to being called STUPID. Just saying.”
I’ve never understood this ‘protecting the name’ BS that they spout, just seems to be justification for them using the name because it’s profitable
don’t they call that “spin”, in the business? LOL!
nope my head and smlies same time..you are total right…that what i feel when the first time i hear about the story “protect the name” ^__^
Thank you for the translation! ^^
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To protest JYJ’s ban from TV, they even published satirical ads ‘You say that you’ll sing on TV? You?’ and ‘The 101 methods with which to drive out JYJ from broadcast’ on internet and in newspaper print.
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Wow! K-fans manse! xD
Wonder if some OT5 sited post this.
I hope so, this is a very good article that all cassies should read… i know a lot of OT5 just come to this site to “view & go”…
some cassie i know, knew about this blog, but they choose not to read it because they still think TVXQ is Uknow Yunho, Hero Jaejoong, Micky Yoochun, Xiah Junsu, Max Changmin. they’re not think that JYJ is real.. they always think JYJ is like subgroup from TVXQ.
I’m not trying to throw buckets or ice cold water…..I doubt they will posted this cos’ they live in their own imaginary world of non-existent TVXQ5 and swim in there.
Hi! uhmm… i’m wondering if you could tell me what OT5 means? i always encounter that term but never fully understood the meaning of it.
is it, fans that support all five?
or
fans that support all five and wishing that they would be back again as 5?
OT5 stands for “only true 5” and it´s originally a name for those fans who still wait and wish the 5 will go back into 1 group, but more and more are realising that their wish will probably never come true, so that many now just support all five and only scarcely express their wish for DB5K.
oh okay. thank you!
🙂
WE CAN JUST ALL WONDER! hahahahahh~!
but to answer ur question…
NO.
I’m totally agree with the statement that said “when 2 members of TVXQ made a statement that blamed JYJ because they left the group, then majority fans went to JYJ’s”
I don’t know why, but I really really hate Yunho and Changmin at that time…
I love the whole article, and eagerly waiting for the 3rd one. Thank you admin for translating this with such an easy way for us non-speaking English to understand.
Even if Yoochun, Jaejung and Junsu called themselves other than JYJ, i would still support them wholeheartedly because of what they are.
LOL… can we somehow blacken that sore picture in the article? Its really bring fire to my eyes 😦
>DNBN, among other Korean fansites, have posted the professor’s article …
Only in fansites? Not in any newspapers, magazines, or any other mainstream media? How about academic journals? This ought to be a good case study of the Korean society, culture, mass media, business contracts, etc.
but on international OT5 fansites? >.>”’
the more i read bout what had happened with our boys, the more i understand how hard they tried to hold all the bad things from their memory. As i saw their live performance when they sang Whitney Houston’ I have Nothing, i can feel their feelings, especially Jae.
For me, JYJ are the main player even when they’re still in DB5K. I don’t wanna talk bout who’s wrong, who’s right here .. It is not necessary for me. The only thing i know for sure, that i admire JYJ’ persistence in following what their heart tells. So, that’s why i will support them from now and then…
Junsu, Jaejoong and Yoochun are truly the best example for us that reply to hatred with love. They don’t talk, They do ACTIONS.
old news, old news… to me, i mean
i’m hoping and waiting for somebody to release translated version of the book ‘hyung… jyj’ (or other names. darn, why posted and then deleted pic <___<). from the summary of my contact, such info will define the word 'scandalous' properly to k-show biz instead of lame 'scandals' like in WGM or whatever shows LOL
私はこの記事がとても好きです。
So true that this is talking about the korean fandom.
You can’t be a jyj fan only in international fandom without being labeled a stan and being a disrupt to the dbsk5 fandom.
Finally someone had a ball to talk bout JYJ situation yeyyyyyyyyyy . . .
For me the moment JYJ sue SME i always knew that TVXQ would never be the same, if i might to describe TVXQ is like a person, Homin is the body n JYJ is the heart n soul , when heart n soul leave a body there’s only emptiness . . .
I like TVXQ but im sorry to say that i never be cassie or big east n definietly Homin , my bias from the start JYJ but not because their look . . i always feel amaze when TVXQ sang ballad song n these 3 amazing voice became the soul of the song , JYJ are truely TVXQ soul . . so when JJ Junsu n Yoochun formed JYJ i cant wait to hear their harmony since i always knew their harmony really gr8.
I dont care people said JYJ greed or have lack moral coz what they fight just normal thing, n the fact that JYJ never talk bad bout other people who treat them back only makes me respect them more.
N to be honest when Homin decide to continue TVXQ name i feel kinda dissapointed but than i though ” ok so u got ball to use TVXQ name so we’ll see what u can do ” but really shame that i still got dissapinted with the result sghhhhhhhhhhh . . . but than i though again ” ok . .u keep that name coz name nothing mean to me , all i care n i love is talent “.
I know lot cassie out there want TVXQ unite again but u guyss needs to wake up n see the reality , from my point JYJ n Homin would never be the same, both are already take different path n i see Jae Joong who from the start always hope reunited again with Homin start to accept the reality that the problem with them wont done just because he said so , Homin not there for him in his tough road but Junsu n Yoochun are always with him , so in those hard work, tough road the relationship between JYJ more stonger than when in TVXQ.
SO guysss wake up n face the reality . . TVXQ now is just Yun ho n Chang min . . n JYJ making new history with their new name, JYJ making a legend with their own hand . . . so whats the meaning of name . . . the soul is what matter . . .
Ohhh n lit bit side from the topic just want inform u lit bit but i hope u guyss can chill when hear this, yesterday i read news in sharing yoochun site n they discuss bout the topic JYJ vs SME , n theres one fans ( im suspesct that he/she is SME fans hahahaha ) talk bout JYJ can exist because SME n how Homin better than JYJ . . . hahhhahaha i mean i bet he doesnt ear to listen the real talent voice with autotone . . . but im enjoy read all negative comment n positive comment . . because even they said negative bout JYJ but one thing for sure they listen to JYJ song hahahahahhaha thats really big win to me hahhahahahha . .
Ok i will end this right now . . .. .
JYJ . . ON . .THE . .TOP . .. . AKA JYJ OTP . . .. . . hehehehheheheh
This is what’s really bothering a lot of us who has decided to take on the side of JYJ. Most ot5 just wants to relive the olden days when it’s TVXQ5 who rule.
During my first months in the fandom, I really wanted another chance for TVXQ5 to come as one as I have known about them too late and the group has already split. I still used to give the benefit of the doubt to homin, but all these have changed already. One can’t truly love TVXQ and not take sides. I would have not been this indifferent to homin had they decided to re-launch themselves with a different name but no, they had to use the TVXQ name still along with some cock and bull story bout protecting the TVXQ name. SM is obviously still milking the TVXQ name and spiting JYJ. I also think that SM believes that if homin would use another name, it’s a risk that they would not be as popular (which kindda makes sense that they are so much into the TVXQ name that needs protecting.) And one has to admit that Changmin-Yunho combination is not explosive vocally. There are times when I felt that the stage still feels empty with just the three JYJ on the stage, what more with just two. Even more empty. Anyway, with these situations, I think homin already lost the respect they have for themselves when they just allowed this to happen. To just continue on as TVXQ as if it was the right thing to do. To be hearing TVXQ5 achievements attributed to homin as if all of it were done by the two alone. To be celebrating TVXQ’s 8th anniversary without chun, su and jae is quite distasteful. Yet they are doing it just the same. They have stripped themselves of dignity. No wonder they don’t have twitters or facebook accounts, coz am sure they’ll hear a lot of things from rational TVXQ5 fans.
JYJ fans love Jaejoong, Yuchun and Junsu. Homin will have a hard time figuring if fans just cling to the TVXQ/Tohoshinki name that they carry or they love the Changmin Yunho combination that was left of the once great TVXQ name. Such a waste and such a shame.
@ teya
Totally Totally agree with you.What SM had done to JYJ and the 2 followed was just distasteful.TVXQ was a combination of 5 voices where the 3 made more powerful than the 2 stayed behind.So time will tell again that JYJ are already transformed into artistes when the 2 are still followers.As far as moral goes,the 2 is far behind the JYJ.
I dunno. The question that has been at the back of my mind is pretty much how homin really feels about this whole thing. If I’m changmin or yunho, do I really believe that using TVXQ name means protecting the name or is it just sm making sure that they get to still profit from the two of us?
Of course, we know that TVXQ will not be the same since the three has gone (homin should know that, am sure sme knows it fully too well), so what does sm expect from the two that’s left behind. Forgive me for being blunt, but the two who decided to stay cannot be considered as an ultimate duo. (I know I am JYJ biased, but seriously, JYJ was the powerhouse of TVXQ.) So, on sme’s end, am sure they know that even though they have succeeded in persuading two members to stay, these two are not necessarily the shakers that they needed to continue TVXQ’s reign. Do you think that people in sme even expect homin to excel in the same field where TVXQ5 has excelled before? Personally, I don’t think sme have that much faith in homin, because if they did, they won’t subject homin to still using the great TVXQ name. Sme knows that this decision will be met by objections from fans and ridicule from observers. And yet, the proceeded to go with it. Yes, part of it was probably to spite JYJ, but as I analyze some more, this whole pathetic game plan of sm just show that they are making do with what’s left of TVXQ5. No effort to repackage homin. Sm didn’t want to invest anew in reinventing homin. No assurance that it would work anyway. I’m thinking, why put effort on homin when they don’t really expect anything from the two. Vocally, they don’t match. Yunho was mainly a dancer, not a singer. Changmin, in my opinion, still has some growing to do in terms of solo singing. (Undoubtedly, the homin with JYJ were perfect, but in this case .. the homin duo still leaves a lot to be desired.) So, what else can sm do but to just throw them back with the TVXQ name and hope that the TVXQ name can still work some charm to unsuspecting fans. I mean, after making sure that the two stayed, it would be pointless if sme can’t make at least some money with them, right?
Am I analyzing too much or do some people agree with me?
If I am changmin or yunho, I’d lobby for the chance to be launched as another group or perhaps go solo. But then again, (this just occurred to me), homin is probably just ok with the whole thing since they themselves can’t imagine how things would be if they were launched as a duo without the TVXQ name. Will they be able to cope with the pressure? Will we be able to make it work without the TVXQ name the way JYJ had? In the end, the TVXQ name acted as their security blanket. Nevermind that they are mere shadows of what was once the greatest group TVXQ, as long as they are still working in the industry, it’s just ok with them.
So, now it would make you wonder if TVXQ5 fans are disappointed with homin because they expected something more from the two, while on homin’s side, there’s nothing more that they can deliver because they have relegated themselves to mediocrity in the midst of the whole JYJ-sm issue. To them, what they did is pretty much the most they can do.
You too?!!! WTF is up with this “heart and soul” thing? JYJ, OT5, Homin fans/stans keep using it. Did I miss a meeting?
I’m a JYJ solid co’z I started as such. Of course, when you admire someone you would want to know his past and so ended up browsing DBSK/TVXQ/Tohoshinki stuff. I found them good and talented esp. mirotic when they danced well and displayed unique personalities from one another. I could say neutral things for I dont have attachment to the group. For once, I click on them one by one just to test myself. I tried Paradise Ranch of Changmin. Clips on Yunho and the YunJae thing. But my heart was not swayed. As if doing an elimination process I still stood by my original choice, the JYJ. My next statement here is meant for my own satisfaction. Watching TVXQ5 past performances, I find the stage crowded. Their singing lines limited although I’m glad JJ and Junsu really are their legend leads. On another note, JYJ is what they have become from being once under TTT. The thing today with them is meant to happen. The pulling done by SM perhaps became so tight there’s no way but to break free. It is now. . .today .. .that we will see who shines brighter! It’s inevitable. In a group of five, definitely, sooner or later, SOMEBODY/SOME GROUP will STAND the BEST, will SHINE on its OWN! To old fans of 5 I can understand your pain, the wound is still fresh, as said, barely more than two years since the split. But as time goes by, the heart will learn to accept.
thanks God .. the truth will eventually come .. SM is not everything also not GOD.
JYJ .. keep the spirit .. We always support you .. because we love you …
thx admin 4 share this…
THX PROFESSOR BUT WHEN WILL THOSE IDIOTS WILL START TAKING ACTIONS AGAIST THIS
S###### COMPANY WHY NOTHING BEEN DONE YET。。。I‘M SICK OF WAITING SO U CAN IMAGINE OUR BOYS FEELING WITH ALL THIS B###### 。。。AND FOR U PPL WHO KEEP TALKING ABT HM WE R SICK AND TIRED THIS IS JYJ3 NO MORE NO LESS 。。。 I WAS ONCE DBSK5 FAN AND UNFORTUNTELY I WAS SO DAME WRONG ABT THOSE 2 LIKE BIG TIME。。。 ANYWAY ENOUGH TALKING ABT THEM NW··。。。 FTC。。。JUDGES 。。。DO YOUR FREAKING WORK GDAMEITTTTTT ,IT’S ABT TIME FOR GD SEEK WHAT THE HELL R U WAITINH FOR 。。。 WHAT UNTIL OUR BOYS TURN 50‘S OR WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOD HAVE MERCY!!!
SRY FOR BEING FRUTRATED GUYS JUST CAN’T HANDLE THE UNJUSITCE ANY MORE 。。。THESE JERKS RLLY NEED TO START TAKING THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES AS PROS OR NEED TO RESIGN FRM THEIR POSITIONS LIKE SRLY WHAT TOOK THEM SO LONG。。HUH!!! C U BELIEVE IT SINCE 2009 AND WE R ALREADY 2012 ,I MEAN GOSH 。。。WONDER WHAT KOREAN FANDOM DID OR DO ABT THIS ISSUE。。。HOPEFULLY WLL HEAR SUM GREAT NEWS SOON ABT THIS CUZ I‘M SOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!
Another good start for a new year!It takes to break the silence,it is indeed coming!
Hmm.. I really like every word of the article.
“If we compare activities of the 3 JYJ members with that of the 2 TVXQ members (concerts, showcases, albums, CF, modeling, internet searching, etc.), we can judge that JYJ are far more successful.”
THIS IS TRUE. JYJ news like everywhere! But that two? well as far I know, SM put them away from home. There’s barely news about them.
“Moreover, the legitimate reason for which 3 people have filed the lawsuit was distorted into the greed for personal business by SM and also by statements released by the remaining 2 DBSK members which included expressions of blame [towards JYJ] ”
my heart still ache if I remember what Homin said about JYJ, what Yunho’s dad said, what SM stated about JYJ. They made JYJ like the worst persons on earth but why JYJ did? they just keep patience and endured the pain alone 😦
“JYJ is what helped define TVXQ and now they have also become the name of truth. Fans believe that, even though they can’t hold the name of TVXQ, they will continue the righteous way to become musicians under the name of JYJ.”
THIS! The reason I think TVXQ once were the best idol group because JYJ voices who defined them. Without that 3 important voices, it feel lack musical for me. When JYJ left, both SM and Homin already know that DBSK cannot be same again.
I’ve listening to some homin song, but I think everyone agree that there was dropped of quality. To be honest, I think current TVXQ now just waiting for the times, waiting when they will get replaced by the younger and better group. When they are 30 they will realized that they are trapped under “idol” image and cannot go anywhere but remain as SME product forever, on the other hand JYJ has discard their idol images and keep shining. JYJ has tried many fields : acting, musical, production, directing, modeling etc. One advantage of JYJ current situation is JYJ growing up. They doesnt need to feed again, they can walk with their feet.
Oh god, this article make me wanna cry. I can see that even we (fans) suffered so much, but we can keep support JYJ from the bottom of our heart. By seeing how struggled JYJ’s member, and how patient all of their fans wait for a justice, i can see a TRUE FRIENDSHIP and TRUE SPIRIT!
I’m really proud to be JYJ’s fans. And i’m really happy to be the part of their fans.
Wanna hug all JYJ’s fans >.<
I love this article! I’m so thankful an article like this is written! I’m a proud JYJ fan… they are amazing guys with amazing talent. SM can’t stop JYJ because they have true talent and skills and without SME they flourished because they were able to strive for their potential and beyond without a company like SME controlling them and feeding them their work. I love C Jes for giving them creative control and letting them be true artists!
I love both JYJ and TVXQ. I support both wholeheartedly. I have to say that I don’t like how JYJ is being bullied by not appearing on tv shows in their own country. Not Cool. JYJ FIGHTING